Why Don’t We Just Surrender and Get it Over With?
Posted by: Emperor Darth Misha I in Idiotarians, Politics, Pres. Milquetoast1:42 pm
LC juandos wonders if His Majesty has anything to say about this:
WASHINGTON - After months of resistance, the White House has agreed to accept Sen. John McCain’s call for a law banning cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror, several congressional officials said Thursday.
Indeed we do.
First off, we’d like to express our profound hopes that this is either the White House’s idea of a sick joke or the result of too much reliance on “anonymous sources”, because if it isn’t, it is now official: President Bush has lost his fricking mind.
In case you think that we’re overreacting or you’re just looking for a way to excuse the latest Milquetoasting Spineless Misstep of The Best Possible President, we’d like to ask you just who, exactly, you think will get to define “cruel, inhuman and degrading?”
No, we don’t know either, but what we do know is that a lot of interrogators will be looking, on one hand, to what might get useful information from a captured terrorist and, on the other, to possible if not downright likely time in Leavenworth. Guess what they’ll choose?
Oh well. At least we can comfort ourselves, as we’re puking out guts out while crawling through radioactive rubble, losing our hair and bleeding from every orifice in our bodies, that at least we didn’t “dehumanize” ourselves by allowing a terrorist to be grabbed roughly by the collar of his shirt.
Congratulations, Sen. McCain. You have struck a devastating blow against the safety of our troops and our citizens. You have disarmed our intelligence services even more and given invaluable aid and comfort to our enemies in the process, something you ought to be facing a firing squad for.
The North Vietnamese knew what they were doing when they decided not to kill your worthless ass after all.
Oh, and to all of you morons lining up to claim that torture or coercion never works, not EVER, we have only one thing to say:
Is that so? And how would you know, grasshopper?
[UPDATE: It’s not a joke, as FOX informs us right now. Congrats, Shrimpya, you just handed the terrorists the single most important victory since 9/11. If there’s a Cowardice in the Face of the Enemy Award™, you’ve just earned it half a million times over. And Traitor McCain: Why don’t you just drop dead, right now? Fuckhead. GottDAMN those commie Vietnamese for not eviscerating you and forcing you to eat your own intestines.]
[UPDATE the 2nd: Stop the ACLU has more. Apparently the Anti-American Communist Liberties Union aren’t satisfied. They’re completely ecstatic about the new Terrorists’ Bill of Rights, but they’re very much opposed to the rules establishing rights for soldiers accused of humiliating terrorists. To the ACLU, the only rights that matter are those of pedophiles, murderers and terrorists. But we mustn’t demonize them. They do good work, you know.]
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What is amazing is that we will probably end up winning the GWOT despite the best efforts of dickheads like McCain and crapweasels like Bush.
We still need the information, so I guess the end result of this will be less survivors. I’m just not sure if that means on our side or theirs.
December 15th, 2005 at 2:04 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows 2000
We’ll end up winning because we have no choice.
But the inevitable result of all of these small surrenders on our side trying to curry favor with a world opinion that is firmly set against us no matter what is that we’ll lose a shitload of people that we didn’t have to lose in the first place.
Just as the crater in New York is a monument to Bill Clinton, the first NBC weapon to go off here in the U.S. because our interrogators weren’t allowed to interrogate will be a monument to Traitor McCain and Limpwristed Dubya.
THEN we’ll throw the rules out the window and win. But all of those people wouldn’t have had to die if we’d only done the right thing from the start. And McCain and Bush will have to deal with their ghosts.
December 15th, 2005 at 2:13 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP
[…] Anti Idiotarian Rottweiller asks Why Don’t We Just Surrender and Get it Over With? So now that Al Qadea has its own Bill of Rights granted to it, the ACLU are applauding! Of course they are, because this is not only protecting terrorists from rough interrogation, it may very well have to be given Miranda warnings as well as free lawyers —payed for by the Americans they are trying to kill. Now where do you think those lawyers will come from? Before this ridiculous bill, it was to our advantage that terrorists were not protected under the Geneva Conventions, and I believe there was good reason when the Geneva Conventions were written to exclude such monsters. This bill rewards the enemy with deferential treatment similar to that given honorable prisoners of war. […]
December 15th, 2005 at 2:47 pmUsing WordPress 1.5.2
If the story at the link below is true, our government abandonned effective intelligence gathering quite a while ago.
http://www.npr.org/t.....Id=5052915
Sleep Tight.
December 15th, 2005 at 2:49 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Our politicians are so damn stupid.
December 15th, 2005 at 3:08 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
[…] Anti Idiotarian Rottweiller asks Why Don’t We Just Surrender and Get it Over With? So now that Al Qadea has its own Bill of Rights granted to it, the ACLU are applauding! Of course they are, because this is not only protecting terrorists from rough interrogation, it may very well have to be given Miranda warnings as well as free lawyers —payed for by the Americans they are trying to kill. Now where do you think those lawyers will come from? Before this ridiculous bill, it was to our advantage that terrorists were not protected under the Geneva Conventions, and I believe there was good reason when the Geneva Conventions were written to exclude such monsters. This bill rewards the enemy with deferential treatment similar to that given honorable prisoners of war. […]
December 15th, 2005 at 3:22 pmUsing WordPress 1.5.2
We’re fucked.
Not terminally fucked, since we can’t possibly lose in the long run, but fucked in the sense “how many of ours will have to die to advance the agenda of Murtha, McCain, the ACLU and al-Qaeda before we finally wake up?”
Is it going to be your home town that will be sacrificed for President Wimpass and Traitor McCain’s feel-good measures?
Is it going to be your kids having the flesh melt off their bones to pay for President Appeasement’s reach out to the liberal vote that he can’t ever have?
Is it going to be your son, daughter, husband, wife, father, daughter, brother or sister having his limbs blown off in far off countries because President Linguini-Spine didn’t have the gumption to value American lives above the humiliation of terrorists?
He’s waffling and triangulating, but we’re the ones who will be paying the price.
So much for the Best Possible President, huh?
He’s a cowardly pissant sorry excuse for a leader, that’s what he is. My grandparents scraped shit off their boots that had more courage and will to succeed than he and his entire cabinet of appeasers ever had, and if one single loved one of mine has to pay the ultimate sacrifice for his political games and unwillingness to ruffle the feathers of murderers, I’ll make him pay too.
That’s a promise.
December 15th, 2005 at 3:23 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP
Misha poses a verrrry important question:
That’s all been explained in detail by repeated examples of the islamofacists favorite mode of operandi., we should take no steps less civilized, painfull,degrading, inconvenient,,etc,, than those taken by allah’s bloody best.
There’s a benchmark you can read without yer spec’s.
Screw tilted playing fields. What would Sun Tzuh do?
December 15th, 2005 at 3:42 pmAnd why all this stupid free press for the Alien Criminal Liberties Union? What war did they ever win?
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That lousy bastard McCain. There is something mentally wrong with him . Everything he forces through legislation has turned to shit!
December 15th, 2005 at 3:56 pmLOOK HIS RECORD, AT THE SHIT HE HAS HIS NAME ALL OVER.!
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Blackiswhite, you’re very right. The Intelligence industry was hamstrung in the mid-90’s as window dressing for the highminded. When you hear a liberal say “Bush knew!”, make sure they hear the words “human rights scrub”.
December 15th, 2005 at 4:27 pmHillary has her dna all over this too.
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The previews for “Munich” talk about an unmarked safe deposit box with $200,000 in US dollars for every Palosimean iced by a contract killer.
Me, I only have about 50 bucks.
December 15th, 2005 at 5:21 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.6 on Mac OS X
Bush has got to be working on that “legacy” thing we keep hearing towards the end of each presidential tenure. IMHO this one is going to come back and bite him in the ass, and believe me, the Congress, people and media are not going to let it slide a la Clinton administration and the above mentioned “Human Rights Scrub”.
McCain now scares the hell out of me. This idiot is named as one of the contenders for the Republican nomination. He has a known name and an honorable military record, to most of the voting public, alas, that is all they will know or care about. The RNC will just keep telling them “He’s a hero and has authored many fine bills (but don’t look behind the curtain). The more McCain talks the more I worry for our future. If we think Bush is a spineless suck-up to the Dems, then think of McCain and his “Gang of 14″ and what they have already done to undermined the Republican Party.
December 15th, 2005 at 5:27 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7 on Windows XP
This turns my stomach, but I imagine McCain will be the Republican nominee in 2008.
December 15th, 2005 at 7:34 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP
Then I’ll be voting for Shrillary. Or Mickey Mouse. Or “None of the Above.” I’ll be damned if I’ll ever vote for that sack of shit, even if he’s running against Satan himself.
December 15th, 2005 at 7:39 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP
Oh wow. You guys are acting like this is real.
Look, Bush is going to say “We never did it, we’re not doing it now and we’ll never do it, and we’ve already stopped and we’re about to stop and we’ll never do it again.”. And then nothing changes.
McCain gets support from moderates for “stopping the torture”. Bush doesn’t lose any support he wouldn’t have lost anyway. Except for the theater nothing changes.
And you’re getting outraged about it! Just like the stupid liberals! This has nothing to do with reality! But you pretend it does. What’s the point of knowing better than the stupid liberals if you’re going to be just as stupid?
December 15th, 2005 at 9:06 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Linux
I think they’re right, but who is going to speak for the degraded Israeli flag that was forced against its will to be wrapped around some sand-eating, pedophile spoldeydope?
1. It makes them think that they have won something important, rather than making them realize that they have done something incredibly stupid. They will then use this to spin their way to election victories so that the cycle of stupid escalates and continues.
2. It gives them ammunition if they do find evidence of it continuing that they will use to hobble the Presidency, and distract all attention away from things that do matter. Think farther ahead then the next election, or else you not thinking any deeper than the Donks.
December 15th, 2005 at 9:31 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
I admire and respect McCain’s service to his country. But he should know better than anyone that Americans captured in wartime are NOT going to be treated kindly…no matter how many “progressive” laws we pass. (SEE: WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, and the current conflict).
The Islamo-nuts get off on beheadings and REAL torture…why the hell shouid we announce that they will be treated better than the average American criminal? Why aren’t the sharks surrounding Cuba getting fat off the corpses of the “detainees”?
Nice guys finish last.
December 15th, 2005 at 10:09 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
While I respect all veterans, as is proper, I just have to wonder where in Hell McCain and Bush learned strategy. Is it wise to let these scum sucking splodydopes know, without a doubt, that they can’t even be treated in a degrading manner?
Hell, they now have more rights than I or any other citizen have if stopped by the Arkansas State Troopers. They can treat you in a degrading or threatening manner and anything else as long as you have no witnesses or other way to prove it.
This sorry state of affairs really chaps my ass, they should be ashamed and they will be held to blame when the shitstains bring the WOT back to our shores.
December 15th, 2005 at 10:26 pmUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Who cares what they think? They have no connection to reality. They’ve been utterly ineffective at spinning their way to election victory in recent years. Quite the reverse.
They’ll find “evidence” of it continuing no matter what. Let them distract all their attention away from things that matter. So what? They don’t matter.
The point is, you’ve already let them distract your attention. What good does that do you?
So when they get “evidence”, just say “I am shocked, SHOCKED! to hear that there is torture going on. We’ll all do whatever it takes to make sure it didn’t happen and it isn’t happening and we’ll never do it again.”. What can they do? They can froth at the mouth the same as if we pretend it isn’t illegal already. See, we don’t need new laws to make it illegal. We’ve already got the UCMJ. If we’re doing torture (and we might not be, the guys on the spot might know that torture doesn’t get the results they want so they’re doing what works instead
) we have to ignore our own doctrines to do it. Not to mention the various treaties we’ve signed. What’s one more law? Just another piece of paper to ignore. Liberals can get upset all they want about their fantasies, but they don’t know anything about what’s really going on and they can’t do anything about it. All they can do is complain to each other.
So what good does it to you to complain about them? It’s like, if you want to visit the zoo, you can go into the monkey house. And if you do, the monkeys might make fun of you and you might feel like making fun of the monkeys. But one big difference between you and the monkeys in the zoo is you can walk away whenever it stops being fun, but they’re in the monkey house for life. They can chatter all they want but who cares?
December 15th, 2005 at 10:27 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 on Linux
Fuck. That. Shit.
Really? They continue to cheat in every vote. Remember the election from last year? Or 2000? How about the governership for Washington state? Constantly recounting votes and “finding” more and more until thier candidate wins. Do NOT tell me they are being ineffective when they seem to be actually making progress.
December 15th, 2005 at 11:07 pmUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7 on Windows XP
John McCain really should have called this bill “the Pontius Pilate Congressional Handwashing Act of 2005.” Why? Because beyond being a useless PR stunt that actually hands this nation’s enemies a propaganda victory (See? The Americans WERE torturing people! Their own Congress said so!) the bill also absolves Congress of any responsibility for dealing with captured terrorists with critical information. Instead, it puts the burden squarely on the interrogators…and their political superiors. As the AP article states:
and then contradicts the above with the following:
Pardon me, but one of the first things I was taught in Army boot camp was that “I was only following orders” would not be accepted as an excuse for committing atrocities. Which “torture,” and “cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment” arguably are, even if the alternative is losing Chicago to a terrorist WMD. The interrogator thus has even less legal protection than the person he’s questioning, especially when you consider that the bill defines “torture” and “cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment” so broadly as to include just about any interrogation technique this side of begging. (Remember, some female interrogators were accused of “degrading” captured terrorists with lap dances and smearing red ink on their faces.)
Also, McCain’s legislation pointedly provides interrogators no protection from lawsuits related to their work, so even if the politicians decide after the fact that what an interrogator did was justifiable (unlikely, in the current political climate, regardless of the stakes), the interrogator would still be ruined. Under the circumstances, what interrogator would take the steps necessary to extract information from a captured terrorist? What government official would authorize or order such steps, especially with a treacherous and disloyal opposition party looking for an excuse to impeach a President for the crime of winning an election?
Not that that matters to McCain and the rest of Congress. It doesn’t matter to them whether or not our people are able to question terrorist suspects effectively, or that the War on Terror is about to come to a screeching halt while the courts spend years defining just what consitutes “cruel, inhuman and degrading” punishment. It doesn’t matter to McCain and Congress that they’ve just given greater legal and civil protections to Al Qaeda than our own soldiers, law enforcement and intelligence agents enjoy.
All that matters to Congress is that they’ve shown us - and the world! - how much they care about the torture issue…and by establishing such a broad definition of unacceptable behavior, and refusing to provide any guidelines of just what our people CAN do to captured terrorists, they’ve ensured that their own hands are clean. And if we lose a few thousand more citizens to an attack because of it, well, that’ll end up being blamed on the President, won’t it?
It’s a tossup as to who has showed more political cowardice in this matter: Congress for passing this ridiculous and unnecessary piece of legislation - actual torture being already illegal - or the President for agreeing to sign it.
December 16th, 2005 at 12:19 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows 2000
Democrat War Heroes
The “I’m a war hero, I know what’s right!” syndrome is not limited to the Liberal side of the spectrum. No, the alleged conservative McCain has finally acted on the programming he received 30 years ago in Vietnam. If this man will be the President …
December 16th, 2005 at 1:26 amUsing Netscape Navigator 4.0
Thanks McCain for passing this feel-good Leglisation that actually hurts our Intel gathering process. When there is a Mushroom cloud over a US city I’ll think warmly of you. But at least the Pentagon Has to be as PC as you have to be.
http://www.frontpage.....p?ID=20539
December 16th, 2005 at 4:18 amUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.0.7 on Windows XP
Found this shocking photo at LGF.
U.S. Troops Terrorize Iraqi Family
December 16th, 2005 at 7:42 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
I think we need to start a Draft Giuliani for 08 movement.
He may not be 100% behind my beliefs, but the man’s a leader and will not wimp out when it comes to our national security and other tough decisions.
December 16th, 2005 at 8:44 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Nah, draft Tancredo instead.
THERE’S a conservative I could put my support behind.
December 16th, 2005 at 9:03 amUsing Mozilla Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP
This McCain-Bush idiocy is borderline treason. This grants the enemy the comfort and freedom to operate knowing that information will not be pried out of their filthy mouths with violence. This confirms that Bush is not serious about the islamo-facists terrorists around the world. I had it. Who wants to start a new politcal party? These clowns in DC are just that, CLOWNS!
December 16th, 2005 at 9:10 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Murtha: He’s a Pull Out Kinda Guy
Speaking of laying down…The Rottweiler has a great post up about John McCain’s no “cruel, inhuman and degrading” interrogation tactics bill. The awesome Emperor Darth Misha I asks the pertinent question –who gets to define that?
December 16th, 2005 at 9:20 amUsing Unknown browser
I guess the difference is that I chose to make comments. Given your stand, I can only assume that you fell victim to some sinister libarul plot to make you waste your time commenting (twice) on something that clearly “is not real” to you. I apologize for helping these people who “do not matter” to waste your time.
December 16th, 2005 at 10:29 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Good one E-man!
Here’s more of the shocking military actions in New Orleans in fact…
December 17th, 2005 at 6:25 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Well now, why don’t the dim-witted Dems and some spineless R.I.N.O.s just add a little more insult to injury?
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate on Friday refused to reauthorize major portions of the USA Patriot Act after critics complained they infringed too much on Americans’ privacy and liberty, dealing a huge defeat to the Bush administration and Republican leaders.
In a crucial vote early Friday, the bill’s Senate supporters were not able to get the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by Sens. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Larry Craig, R-Idaho, and their allies. The final vote was 52-47.…
December 17th, 2005 at 6:28 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP
Keep a close eye on the RINOs that helped to put down the Patriot Act, these idiots don’t deserve to be re-elected.
December 18th, 2005 at 11:19 amUsing Internet Explorer 6.0 on Windows XP