ACLU Sues the NSA to Keep Terrorism Safe for Terrorists.
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in10:15 pm
And why the Hell aren’t we surprised?
The Anti-American Clueless Limpdicks’ Union never met a right they didn’t like. As long as said right didn’t happen to belong to an American, that is.
Saying that the Bush administration’s illegal spying on Americans must end, the American Civil Liberties Union today filed a first-of-its-kind lawsuit against the National Security Agency seeking to stop a secret electronic surveillance program that has been in place since shortly after September 11, 2001.
What illegal spying? We weren’t aware that any illegalities had been proven yet. Quite to the contrary, actually. What we have read about is a lot of legal eagles declaring confidently that no laws have been broken. Not that it necessarily means anything of course. They could be wrong. But when last we checked, we still held that it wasn’t the defendant’s job to prove his innocence. Funny how an organization claiming to protect Civil Rights seems to have forgotten all about that, isn’t it?
We’ve talked in the past about how the ACLU vigorously protested when asked to sign a piece of paper stating that they wouldn’t use any funds donated to them to support terrorism. At the time it seemed a little strange to us.
Now they’re vigorously protesting the NSA listening into conversations between the U.S. and known terrorists and/or terrorist organizations?
Not that we’re trying to suggest that…
“President Bush may believe he can authorize spying on Americans without judicial or Congressional approval, but this program is illegal and we intend to put a stop to it,” said ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero.
Nothing but postulates (actually, “pustulates” might be more accurate in this case) backed up by nothing, just as we’ve come to expect from the Asshat Commie Lickspittle’s Union, the very same organization claiming that S.E.R.E. training is a Sooper Sekrit U.S. Military Torture Program Abusing Little Brown People (Terrorists).
Both groups are seeking to have the courts order an immediate end to the program, which the groups say is illegal and unconstitutional.
So we’re to immediately put an end to our intelligence gathering in the middle of a war because the ACLU claims that it’s illegal? Sorry, bozos, but that’s not how it works. You prove that anything illegal is going on and then we’ll shut it down. Of course, the ACLU and their allies on the Seditionist Socialist Left know full well that their “case” has no legs to stand on, which is why they demand their verdict before the trial.
Not that there’s going to be a trial. We obviously can’t drag every minute detail of our national security assets through the public eye in times of war (or any other times, for that matter), so this “case” will be thrown out immediately. Which, of course, will then be used by the Traitor Left as “proof” of the long, dark night of fascism descending upon our heads.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
There is nothing they won’t do, including committing treason by aiding the terrorists, to get their grubby paws back on the levers of power.
But we mustn’t demonize the ACLU. That’s kinda silly and they do good work, you know.
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Advocacy of what, precisely? Sounds more like a collective case of guilty conscience syndrome to me…
January 17th, 2006 at 10:19 pm“If someone from Al Qaiada is calling you, we’d like to know why.”
Vs.
“My right to have a private conversation with my terrorist buddy is being infringed upon!!!!Whine!Whine!”
January 17th, 2006 at 10:33 pmWhat are they afraid of? I cannot believe it is simply of their rights being violated. Besides, I thought they like big brother, the PC crowd. I could give a rat’s ass if they want to listen in on me. I’ve got nothing to hide. Somehow I doubt they would be interested….as for those others…..and why is it just now, rather than during previous administrations? I don’t like selective enforcement, from anybody.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:34 pmDon’t look now- not like the Midiots are reporting this part- but the co-initiators of the suit are none other than terrorist front-group CAIR, of which a half-dozen or so current or former officers are in jail or on trial for terror-related activities.
*sigh*
January 17th, 2006 at 10:47 pmIf this were WWII, would we be letting the Nazis run a Nazi-advocacy group here? I bet if they did, the ACLU would be their sheild against the law.
January 17th, 2006 at 10:52 pmACLU Sues NSA…
Another Big Hat tip to AJ Strata
January 17th, 2006 at 11:04 pmUpdate: The Rottweiller weighs in!
Is the ACLU in contact with terrorists overseas? Well, of course they are! Now it seems they are paranoid of getting caught! They now plan to sue!
Saying that the Bush administrat…
If I have grasped what the President and everyone else has said about these wire taps are about, they have originated outside of the United States. To me this indicates the government has a number somewhere outside of the US with terrorist ties and is interested in who uses that number from either end.
If I had one of those numbers they could listen in. All they would get is: “Hey splodydope Murthafucker, your ass is ours.”
I have nothing to hide.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:23 pmThis is the same ACLU that is defending NAMBLA. Wonderful org fighting for the rights of a 45 yearold man to have sex with a 5 year old boy.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:34 pmWhat’s amazing is how little the *spit* Lamestream Midiots™ *spit* know about the actual workings of the intelligence community.
No, wait. It isn’t. There’s the prerequisite “intelligence” required to understand the “intelligence community” and the actual laws, regulations and standard operating procedures.
We knew that, sooner or later, all of those hours of banging our heads against the Imperial
DungeonGame Room™ walls in preparation for those NCO promotion exams would pay off.We give you USSID 18. (At least the tasty bits that aren’t classified.) Remember, these are the rules and regulations that guide intel collection on US citizens in PEACETIME. (There are, if memory serves us correctly, some exceptions, regarding looser rules for collection, that come into place during times of war.)
We’ll give you a few of the highlights, with a bit of ClueInfusion™ thrown in, for good measure.
Which can be obtained AFTER the surveillance, due to the time-sensitive, ephemeral nature of SIGINT/COMINT. (Signals Intelligence/Communications Intelligence)
We think President Bush has that part under control. He DID, after all, appoint the man who’s the AG. There’s a good chance he’s got his number on Sooper Seekrit Speed Dial™.
Having ones name and/or phone number show up on an Al Qaieda PC, laptop, CD, cell phone or note pad would, “generally speaking“, be “probable cause” to suspect that someone “is an agent of a foreign power“. (Or terrorist group.)
Let’s take a look at notes 5 & 6, shall we?
See above.
Now, let’s take a look at the pertinent parts of §2.3 of E.O. 12333 that deal with the matter at hand, shall we?
“Domestic activities” is NOT covered under “international terrorism“.
Yep. Pretty self-explanatory there.
And that’s the name of that tune, class. Any questions?
No, Ron, you don’t get any questions. Go back to bangin’ your Leftist North Korean hooker. You don’t know anything about USSIDs, so just STFU. Thankyouverymuch.
F.E.T.E.
January 17th, 2006 at 11:49 pmJust a minor point here, Caveman, because I know that somebody’s going to ignore the overall point of your comment (with which I agree completely) and pound on that sentence instead.
I do actually give a rat’s ass if they want to listen in on me. Not that I have anything to hide, but the thought makes me irritable.
If they had no probable cause that is, which is how the Usual Suspects are painting the whole issue, as if our Intel community had nothing better to do than to listen in on random communications from people whose names were drawn from a hat. If they have probable cause (as is so excellently described by B.C.), however, I not only have no problem with them tapping my phone, I bloody well expect them to. I’d rather have my widdle feewings hurt because of a mistake on their part than have to wonder and worry about how many real bad guys they’d failed to check up on.
Here’s a scenario: Some whackjob America-hating group of Danish extraction decide to wage a campaign of terror against U.S. targets. If the NSA don’t immediately show an interest in me as a result of my birth, I want them indicted for dereliction of duty.
Another and more likely one: Some vigilante bunch of maniacs decide that enough’s enough and start taking the law into their own hands, targeting Dhimmicrat politicians. Given the level of vitriol I generally expend in the general direction of those assholes and the intense amount of hyperbole on this site, I’d be sorely disappointed in the FBI if they didn’t at least run a check on me. I’d be completely innocent, of course, but they’d be a bunch of bumbling fuckheads if they didn’t at least try to ascertain that fact first.
Sure, it’d be a nuisance and I know that I’m perfectly innocent, but they don’t know that and I’d expect them to try and find out. If it turned out that they’d been listening into my conversations later (if I found out, that is), then I’d gladly accept the apology. Heck, I wouldn’t even expect an apology in the first place. They’d only be doing their jobs.
Because of probable cause.
And B.C., once again: Fabulous job with that comment. I’m glad and honored to have somebody else who knows what this is all about on staff.
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January 18th, 2006 at 1:06 amOh by the way, the NYT article on this topic uses a fellow by the name of James Bamford. Searching on him, you find out he’s a “distinguished” professer at UC-Berkeley. I guess that’s the LSM’s definition of an unbiased opinion…find a leftist professor from a leftist univ., who has written scathing NSA non-fiction in the past, and pass it off as impartial.
:cuss: the LSM.
January 18th, 2006 at 6:08 amSo where were these heart felt feelings by the Ass Crack Lickers’ Union and other like minded fools back in ‘99 when the New York Swine had this to say: “While few dispute the necessity of a system like Echelon to apprehend foreign spies, drug traffickers and terrorists, many are concerned that the system could be abused to collect economic and political information“?…
January 18th, 2006 at 6:50 amThe moonbats need to realize that the NSA doesn’t give a rat’s ass about their computer porn stashs and the little pot farms in thei basements…
January 18th, 2006 at 9:54 amThe best part of this suit, in my opinion is the private parties.
Such as Rachel Meeropol. Who just happens to be the granddaughter of Julius, and Ethel Rosenberg.
Small world, eh?
January 18th, 2006 at 10:27 am