So we can’t help it. Sue us.

This one’s from Wisconsin, letting us all know that carrying a gun never made anybody safer. No way, no how.

Done laughing?

Actually, neither are we. Let’s take a short break and come back when we’re done, shall we?

[Later…]

[Much later…]

There, all better now.

Letters: Hidden weapons offer false sense of security

Only if you think that getting the gun and the CHL means that your job is done. It helps immensely if you learn how to use it as well.

Ross Bielema makes a few errors in judgment in his Jan. 15 community column about the supposed benefits of concealed weapons.

First, he equates common items like spare tires and jumper cables with guns. The former are examples of reasonable precaution; the latter are simply overkill.

That’s the point.

You overkill him before he overkills you. He’s not going to holster his gun or sheathe his machete because you peacefully approach him with nothing more than a can of pepper spray. We can assure you of that. However, considering your obvious lack of use to society, we urge you strongly to try out your theory in practice if you get the chance.

Oak or pine?

Unless you’re a bodyguard, courier, private investigator or living in the most crime-ridden area of the country, you have no real need to carry a concealed weapon.

Because, as we all know, nobody but bodyguards, couriers, P.I.s and people living in the most crime-ridden areas of the country (which always seem to be the ones with strict gun control laws. Wonder why?) ever got killed, mugged or raped by an armed criminal. Just ask that NYT journalist that got brained (if such is possible where journalists are concerned) in DC recently. Oh wait, you can’t. He’s dead. OK, so he did actually qualify according to your criteria, seeing as how he lived in one of the most crime-ridden areas of the country. Not that he could’ve gotten a gun, seeing as how the reason it’s so crime-ridden is that nobody can get a CHL.

So the only ones with a legitimate need for a carry piece are the ones living in areas where they’re illegal?

Gotcha.

Thank G-d that His Majesty long ago quit paying attention to the actual content of Idiotarian speech or his brain would’ve been utterly fried by now.

Oh, and how many times do you hear people saying, immediately after a goblin murders somebody, how “they never thought it could happen here in our nice, safe neighborhood?” We guess that in those cases there’s at least ONE person in the world who would disagree with them. If it wasn’t for the fact that said person was communicationally challenged at the time due to being, well, dead.

If simple precaution justifies guns, then perhaps we should all be investing in things like defibrillators, anti-venom kits, parachutes and armored vehicles.

Give us one good reason why not? We’re sure that anybody with a heart attack would appreciate the sudden increase in available defibs.

Of course, using logic on the likes of you is about as likely to produce a worthwhile result as humping like a bunny rabbit is likely to restore virginity.

What we have here is the classic example of “if you don’t prepare for EVERY eventuality, you’re better off not preparing at all”, with the added statist, dictatorial twist of “because I don’t think that I need one, NOBODY should be allowed to own one.”

Listen, Comrade ClueFuck, His Majesty would much appreciate it if you’d cease and desist in your attempts to define and decide what I need and don’t need. If you don’t want a gun on your person, fine. I’m not going to force one upon you. A goblin will do that one day anyway, at which point you’ll be pissing and moaning about your lack of protection and wetting your pants until the bastard kills you. Your choice. Don’t EVEN try to make that choice for me. I’m likely to get quite disagreeable, right quick.

Fear is a bottomless pit. There is never enough security for some.

…so we might as well just resign to the cruelty of fate and await our doom…

How this nihilist freak managed to stay alive for so long with a positive attitude like that is beyond me, but there you have it.

Second, he believes that most criminals think rationally. They don’t. If a criminal is desperate or daring enough to commit a burglary or assault, they’re not going to be deterred by the possibility that the victim might be carrying a gun.

That’s funny, because all available statistics seem to say the exact opposite.

But hey, who am I to talk. All I’ve got is facts which are, as we all know, vastly inferior to Idiotarian memes and postulates.

Goblins aren’t the most intelligent species on the planet, that much is for sure, but they have been endowed with just enough intelligence to make them think twice about assaulting a prospective victim if there’s a chance that he or she might be armed with a lethal weapon.

Here’s a thought experiment so skullcrushingly simple to understand that even a liberal ought to be able to grasp it:

You’re a crook out to do some property reallocation (no, we’re not talking about IRS agents today). In your neighborhood you have two streets. On one street nobody’s allowed to own a firearm. On the other street, everybody can own whatever they want. There are a lot of NRA bumperstickers on the cars on this street, and there always seems to be a pleasant smell of cordite coming from the trunks of those cars.

Which street do you decide to hit?

Here’s another one:

You’re a horny son of a bitch with the personality and looks of a warthog, so you have to get your poontang in other ways. In one city you know for a fact that any citizen carrying a firearm will be put in jail and in the other you know that all law-abiding female citizens have the right to carry a big, nasty .357 mag. In which city will you be less likely to force your affections on that sweet lil’ thang standing on the corner?

Still not with me? Fear not, I have another one:

Suppose you and your missus decide to take a trip down here to the Imperial Capital, leaving the cold of Wisconsin behind and enjoying some honest-to-G-d down home REAL cookin’.

You arrive here, check into your hotel and decide to take a walk in the West End. Of course, seeing as how it’s July and you’re walking around outside, everybody with half a brain will immediately know that you’re damnyankees. Not a value judgment, just the facts. Nobody except for tourists, mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun around here. Sure, we’ll chuckle, but there’s no malice and we won’t do it to your faces. We’re Southerners, after all, and we take hospitality and courtesy to guests seriously ’round these parts.

Anyway, I’m sitting inside a nice, airconditioned bar looking out at the cute tourists getting their skulls baked while enjoying a nice, cold Shiner. Suddenly I see a goblin jump out and try to mug you and the wife. Since he knows just as well as I do that you’re tourists, he smells money and he knows that you’re likely one of those sophisticated Northerners who wouldn’t be caught dead around a gun, which translates into “easy pickings.”

Now (and this is assuming that I beat the rush) the next thing that happens while you’re busy telling him to take your wallet and have his way with your wife is that you hear a shout along the lines of “DROP YOUR WEAPON AND PUT YOUR HANDS WHERE I CAN SEE THEM!”

Yep. That’s me, pointing a nasty-looking big gun at your assailant. A nasty-looking big gun that my State doesn’t consider “overkill” and has allowed me to carry. At this point one of two things will happen: 1) Immediate compliance on the part of the goblin, in which case everything is fine or 2) non-compliance on his part, in which case you’ll get a nasty stain on your suit as I shoot the motherfucker in the eyesocket. Being a Southern Gentleman I’ll obviously pick up the dry cleaning tab for you. Either way you and the missus are fine, if a bit shocked and shaken, but nothing that a dinner and a few drinks on me won’t fix.

Are you beginning to see some of the benefits of this whole CHL thing yet?

Probably not, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t still save your ass.

Criminals will do their best to get the advantage and the “drop” on the victim.

Yes they will, which is why it’s important to make it as bloody hard as possible for them. Sticking your hands in the air and screaming “I’m unarmed” is unlikely to produce desirable results. Sticking a .45 in their face and saying “Sayonara, Shithead”, on the other hand…

Third, Ross probably also believes that gun-carrying citizens actually possess the coordination, skill and presence of mind to successfully use a weapon in a crunch. They don’t.

A lot of skillet-wielding citizens don’t have the skills to make a friggin’ omelet, but that doesn’t mean that I’m about to outlaw eggs. Oh, but that’s not potentially lethal, you say? A lot of folks wouldn’t know how to tighten a lug nut either, so I suppose we should outlaw spare tires? Having an insufficiently tightened wheel come off on the highway can be quite dangerous, after all.

If they don’t train, then that’s their fault. They’re friggin’ idiots and they deserve what happens to them. They’re still no worse off than if they were unarmed, however, and I’d still rather have their untrained asses around in a live situation than nobody at all. If nothing else, they’ll serve as interference.

One thing’s for sure: If you outlaw gun ownership, NO citizens will know how to act in a real-life situation.

Ross speaks of deer hunters, but not the ones who couldn’t hit a deer standing still with a scoped rifle. Standard, required gun training doesn’t make a person a marksman or a citizen soldier.

Who the fuck is talking about standard, required gun training only, dumbass?

The standard course will teach you to avoid killing yourself with your gun and check if you can hit paper with it, which is enough to make sure that you don’t accidentally blow your wife’s head off in a gunfight. Everybody knows that and it’s actually something that is hammered home repeatedly in class. Just like a driver’s license. It means that you may drive, not that you can drive.

If somebody is serious enough about self-defense to go to the trouble of getting a CHL and carrying a gun, it’s fair to assume that they’re serious enough to invest some extra time and money in making sure that it’ll actually do them any good if the shit hits the fan. It’s no guarantee, but again: How does this make them worse off than if they were unarmed? And how in the Sam Hell are they going to ever get any good if they’re prohibited from learning how in the first place?

Moron.

Alas, conceal and carry may indeed happen in Wisconsin, but it appeals most to those obsessed with security and fear.

They’re the ones most likely to save your ass in a hairy situation, so a little less condescension and derision might be appropriate here, you ungrateful son of a bitch.

But hey, no matter. You can sneer at my “obsession with security” all you want.

At least I’ll live long enough to bury you.

The rest of us don’t need weapons any more than we need a second spare tire.

Richard Froemming, Neenah

So don’t get one, Dick.

Oh, and you just might blow out two tires at once one day.

You can always sneer at the “obsessive security freak” who stops and lets you borrow his if that happens.

Asshole.

25 Responses to “OK, Just One More GFW Idiotarian’s Bleatings…”
  1. SoCalOilMan Comment by SoCalOilMan UNITED STATES

    An absolutely wonderful and right on rant Emperor.

    I have been in situations where I wished I had my gun and situations where I wish someone near had a gun. I have also been in situations where I had my gun, but used much lower force to resolve the situation. The act of carrying allows one to be more firm in a bad spot even if the gun never is known, because you know the sitiuation isn’t going any further.

    I have also had a pistol pointed at me, and at that perspective it looks like the biggest cannon ever made and you wonder how can they hold something that big.

  2. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    That’s an awesome comment on so many levels, SoCal.

    First, the most frightening words I can think of are “if only I had my gun.” The only thing I can immediately think of that’s worse than being shot is being shot because of a lack of ability to shoot back.

    Second, and that one is so much deeper, is the realization that being armed is a whole heck of a lot more than just an ability to shoot back.

    I too have found that I’ve become a more conflict-averse person as a result. I’ve become more likely, not less, to let insults fly and just try to walk away from trouble because of it. Because I know what escalation means and I find myself in a position where escalation might lead to a dead body because of the fact that I’m armed with a lethal weapon. I know that I can kill and the fact that I have the means to do so means, contrary to what the GFWs like to say, that I’m even less likely to allow a situation to get to the point where I have to.

    All of a sudden it’s my choice and that’s a huge friggin’ responsibility.

    Knowing that you can doesn’t mean that you want to. It means, to me at least and to you as well it would seem, that you suddenly see the big picture. Is that stupid asshole cutting you off in traffic really worth it? Or is it so much more satisfying to let it fly and know that you’re a better man than he’ll ever be? You could force him off the road, drag his ass out of the car and start a confrontation, but you also know that one thing leads to another and, being armed, you might suddenly find yourself in a situation where you have to do something that could’ve been avoided by you just shrugging it off and letting it fly.

    Sure, you could’ve confronted him with good reason too, but you decided that it might take you places you didn’t really want to go.

    You could have, but you didn’t. Because you’re a bigger man than he and he’s just not worth it.

    So I find myself backing down more readily than I did before I was armed, if there’s any way I can do so without endangering myself or my loved ones. Trust me, there was a time when I’d pick a fight given any slight to my person. No longer. It’s not important anymore, and I don’t want to go there if I can avoid it.

    That’s why I laugh at GFWs claiming that CHLs lead to violence and Wild West Streets. Knowing that you carry the means to end a life makes you more conscious of the fact, not less.

    Becoming armed has made me a better man.

  3. Xystus Comment by Xystus UNITED STATES

    Richard Froemming, Neenah

    Makes me wanna say “Neener, Neener!” or something like that. :shake: Actually, though, I think I’ve seen manhole covers bearing that name, so presumably there is/was a foundry there.

  4. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Obviously this Richard Froemming is a lotus eater and probably the sort of supporter that thought Al Gore had the election stolen from him…

    I mean how else can one explain the inanities and bizzare assumptions this clown makes…

    The Emperor of course being a sensible person applied logic (as opposed to feeling for the problem) to the problem of being a potential victim of a psychopath/sociopath…

    SoCalMan’s observations were in the words of the Emperor, “awesome comment on so many levels“…

    Yes indeed, one needs to redifine the, “pucker factor” when staring down the barrel of firearm pointed at one’s person by someone who is obviously unbalanced and or criminal…

    Apparently Froeming’s comment, “Unless you’re a bodyguard, courier, private investigator or living in the most crime-ridden area of the country, you have no real need to carry a concealed weapon” is indicative of a sheltered life, a life where reality means nothing unless it happens to him…

    I can’t help but wonder if Froeming’s life is a continous reinventing of the wheel… :whatever:

  5. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog UNITED STATES

    This idiot sounds like the Gov. of Wisconsin, who vetoed a CHL bill a year or 2 ago because he didn’t think the people needed to carry a gun. It looks like the legislature will pass it again and this time they have enough votes to overide the veto the Gov. says he will use again because he knows best what the people of Wisconsin need. Friggin asshat!

  6. 3FgBurner Comment by 3FgBurner UNITED STATES

    I spent Monday morning down in Richmond, for Lobby Day. This is an annual pester-your-legislator day, for lots of activist groups. The funniest moment was this dialogue between 3 teenage GFWs, and moi:

    I noticed their stickers promoting a bill for background checks / backdoor registration of private sales, and figured I’d enlighten them.

    Me: You know, there’s no such thing as a “gun show loophole”. There’s no difference between what happens at a gun show and anywhere else.

    GFW#1: If there weren’t any guns, there wouldn’t be a gun problem.

    Me: Do you know how long that genie’s been out of the bottle?

    GFW#1: …

    Me: Since 1320. You’re a bit under 700 years too late.

    GFW#2 (female): But guns are only for killing. They’re bad.

    Me: Suppose someone my size, or bigger, decides to have his wicked way with you. A gun’s going to come in handy, to save your ass.

    GFW#2: I’ll just smack him.

    Me: The problem with bringing a blackbelt to a real fight, is somebody out there is always going to be better than you.

    At this point, an adult GFW came over, pointed to me, and told them that “these guys” (meaning our side) love to debate, and that the best response was that they were beyond the need for debate.

    Translation: Lalalalalaaaa, I can’t hear you, don’t need no steeenkin’ facts…

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  8. LC Draco Comment by LC Draco UNITED STATES

    Fear is a bottomless pit. There is never enough security for some.

    Yeah, and you are only paranoid until something happens, then you are either prepared or dead. My wife and I are prepared. :smirk:

  9. LibraryGryffon Comment by LibraryGryffon UNITED STATES

    I went to Neenah’s home page (had to see if there really was one in Wisconsin, because the only one I knew was in Ireland) and from their page

    Coming to Neenah is like coming home. Quietly nestled along the shores of Lake Winnebago, Neenah is a friendly, spirited “hometown,” where life is safe, comfortable, and secure. Here you’ll enjoy the lifestyle of small town America and the convenience of living in the Fox Cities metropolitan area, the fastest growing urban center in Wisconsin.

    Bolding mine.

    Richard sounds like he fits in perfectly, having bought the “safe” advertisement hook, line, and sinker. There have been days when I wished I had that second spare tire, and it would be a lot easier to carry a gun than that.

  10. 3FgBurner Comment by 3FgBurner UNITED STATES

    Richard sounds like he fits in perfectly, having bought the “safe” advertisement hook, line, and sinker. There have been days when I wished I had that second spare tire, and it would be a lot easier to carry a gun than that.

    I live in the ‘burbs. Of course, that’s the Northern Virginia ‘burbs. Can you say, “County has 2,000+ members of MS-13″, boys and girls? I knew you could… You damn betcha I carry whenever I’m on the right side of the Potomac. I also have multiple first-aid kits and a couple of fire extinguishers in the car.

    Likewise, camping gear, clothes, case of MREs and 7 gallons of water. When Fairfax County asked for CERT volunteers to run a first-aid station on three days’ notice, I didn’t have to go looking for most of the stuff that I needed. It was in the car. Rest of it was in go-boxes by the basement door.

    Incidentally, I’ll probably get a defibrillator (which I AM trained to use), the next time the prices drop.

  11. Unregistered Comment by Old Grump UNITED STATES

    This kind of crap makes me ashamed to be from Wisconsin. Unlike the rest of teh state, I voted for the other guy come last election, and if our wunnerful guv’ner decided to veto this one, I sure ain’t votin fer him come next election. :ban: Doyle!

  12. Unregistered Comment by Chairman eDog, RCP UNITED STATES

    Fear is a bottomless pit. There is never enough security for some.

    Finally, a liberal who’s willing to do away with Medicare, Social Security, outdated tort laws, and a million other little leftist lifesavers.

    The above argument, used now alot in the context of the WoT, is an appallingly hypocritical one for the left to employ. If anyone is ever willing to trade freedom for security it’s the left. In terms of invading privacy, nothing the NSA has ever done even comes close to what the IRS does to every American every year. To complain about the “bottomless pit of fear” in regard to gun control is especially stupid. Does anybody really buy his argument that his opposition to the CHL is based upon mere practicality? Hell no. He’s afraid of guns and the idea that more people might carry them. Much as with the WoT, the left fears our enemies less than they fear those of us who’d dare do something about them. This is pure insanity. And in the most supreme irony, leftists such as the letter writer use an utterly twisted logic to convince themselves that they’re the braver for it.

    I have also had a pistol pointed at me

    Me too, but that won’t happen again without a more satisfactory outcome for me.

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  14. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte UNITED STATES

    This kind of crap makes me ashamed to be from Wisconsin. Unlike the rest of teh state, I voted for the other guy come last election, and if our wunnerful guv’ner decided to veto this one, I sure ain’t votin fer him come next election. ban Doyle!

    Alot of people didn’t vote for him.

    And LibraryGryffon? EVERY town in Wisconsin says that.

  15. Drew458 Comment by Drew458 UNITED STATES

    On the other street, everybody can own whatever they want. There are a lot of NRA bumperstickers on the cars on this street, and there always seems to be a pleasant smell of cordite coming from the trunks of those cars.

    Please provide state, town, and street name. I’m moving! :smirk:

  16. Red Five Comment by Red Five UNITED STATES

    Hey, Limp Dickie, I wish I had 2 spare tires when I blew 2 at the same time in Philly last summer. I coulda gotten the rental back to the airport 2 hours earlier than I did waiting for the tow truck.

    Bastard.

    Thank goodness I live in the South. California weirdo by birth, Southern by the grace of God. Something like that, anyway. Good thing Algore spends most of his time out of the state. Scuzzball tree-hugger…

  17. mile66 Comment by mile66 UNITED STATES

    Okay, that’s enough. Perhaps they’re right, perhaps we should work to a position in between in order to unify our great Country. Let’s “legalize” universal concealed handgun carry for all americans, with one and only one condition. You are ONLY allowed to carry on the day you are going to be robbed/raped/killed. It is so simple, and since the “intellectuals” agree that carrying any other time would be overkill, I’m sure they will agree with the fact that, if that day you ARE going to become a victim of a violent crime, then it is not going to be overkill . Should you carry on any other day, you should be punished with a Points system, like motor vehicle’s drivers.
    The carriers must be able to prove, without reasonable doubt that they are to become or had become victims of a violent or very violent crime within 24 hours. Gosh, life’s so simple.

    :stupid:

  18. Unregistered Comment by rightwingprof UNITED STATES

    See this. It’s a gun-control classic.

  19. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty UNITED STATES

    Fear is a bottomless pit.

    Ahhh… the joyous irony of watching a hoplophobe project his nightmares.


    “If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That’s ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about?”

    – Clint Smith, Director, Thunder Ranch

  20. randy Comment by randy UNITED STATES

    Actually, he may have a logical reason for his opposition to CHL:

    Since he won’t carry a firearm, he’s in the victim pool.

    The higher the percentage of citizens with CHL’s, the smaller the victim pool.

    The smaller the victim pool, the better the chances that he will be a victim.

    As he is unwilling to take responsiblity for his own safety proactively, then the only recourse he has is to force as many people into the victim pool as possible so that he can hide in the herd.

  21. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    Ahhh… the joyous irony of watching a hoplophobe project his nightmares.

    “Owning a gun to defend yourself and your family from armed criminals is paranoid. Maintaining as an argument against gun ownership that anybody owning a gun is instantly transformed into a crazed, homicidal lunatic who will massacre his entire family along with half the neighborhood, on the other hand, is NOT.”

    (Thanks for the link, rightwingprof. It’s priceless).

  22. 3FgBurner Comment by 3FgBurner UNITED STATES

    (Thanks for the link, rightwingprof. It’s priceless).

    Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I — January 18, 2006 @ 4:14 pm

    Here’s MadMike with his daughter: http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/madmike/supportive4836

    Here’s Morrigan at the range: http://www.olegvolk.net/gallery/madmike/morrigan4687

    And, MadMike playing with one of my toys:

  23. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    This idiot is why those of us that prepare for disasters (ie, water, food, gas, generators, cook stoves, etc) do so in secrecy. We’re paranoid nuts while life is fine, and we’re asshole monsters with no heart after the disaster because we won’t share what we have so tediously stored and rotated with all the world and starve with them.

    Course the guns come in handy also when they are pounding on the door begging for food and water. To bad there’s no food value in liberals.

  24. caveman82952 Comment by caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    Has this asshole ever been shot at? Or had a weapon drawn on him. The decimal point drops out of the caliber. Say, how about knives held that your throat, or situations you literally ran for your fucking life because your feet were the only thing available? And what if I wasn’t fast enough? Fuck these morons..I want THEM to be the ones that die, their kids that get raped and killed. Just like my little sister was once raped. And yes, I would have sent that son of a bitch to the promised land COD. These sickos love victims and casualties, then they run around and martyr them to their social programs. Sick fucks! :finger: :finger:

  25. Unregistered Trackback by yeah yeah sure sure UNITED STATES

    Misha lays it down….

    Go Misha, get ‘em killer. That guy can chose for himself but not for me….