All Your Kids Are Belong To Us
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in "Law" of the Land, Child Abductive Services, Useless Swine10:00 pm
We suppose that you’ve all heard about the 16-year-old young man with Hodgkin’s Lymphoma that the Child Abductive Services, in collusion with yet another black-robed tyrant long overdue for a trip to the gallows, have tried to take from his parents against his and their will, strap him to a gurney and force him to undergo chemotherapy for the second time.
If you haven’t, LC & IB Romeocat has a post that you need to read, as in 2 hours ago. If you have, you need to read it anyway. It will make your blood boil.
A few snippets from this sordid tale that we just have to comment on but, again, don’t cheat yourselves by not reading it all.
First, the Child Abductive Services in all their putrid glory:
Appearing on Sean Hannity’s national radio program yesterday, Jay Cherrix said, “When the social-service worker came and interviewed me, I told him how Abraham felt and about how we had met a person who had been cured by this [alternative treatment] and how we were supporting Abraham’s decision. I said, ‘What will you do with my little boy? Will you take him somewhere and strap him down and put duct tape on his mouth and pump full of this stuff if he doesn’t want it?’
“He said, ‘No, I will come to your house with a uniformed officer, and I will take your son by force if he resists. And I will take him to somebody who will do that.’
Notice how the Gestapo goon never denies the bit about strapping the boy to a gurney and pumping him full of poison that he doesn’t want to take. Notice also the arrogance positively oozing from him as he casually threatens a father with abducting his child and torturing him whether he likes it or not.
Then tell me again that I’m “over the top” when I rant against those vile vermin, calling for their heads on a platter. Tell me, and watch me ignore every single word.
There is absolutely, positively NOTHING more rage-inducing, to me as a father, than some government jackass treating somebody’s child as government property, to be taken and disposed of at will.
Oh, and there’s more:
“They told Abraham that if he did not go and have an X-ray, they would put him in a juvenile detention center with drug dealers.”
Nice. Almost as nice as the gaping, sucking chest wound that any pissant Gestapo weasel trying to say that to me would suddenly acquire, whether he liked it or not.
“They told him that if he did not do that they would put him in a foster home.”
Rope. Tree. CPS Fuckhead.
Some assembly required. Long drop optional.
Jay Cherrix of Chincoteague, Va., is concerned there could be an Elian Gonzalez-style showdown over his 16-year-old son, Abraham, who has already undergone chemotherapy for his Hodgkin’s disease to no avail.
Note that the young man has already gone through chemo to no avail, so it’s not like he doesn’t have more than enough reason to not want to go through it again. Trust me. Have you seen anybody go through that Hell? I have. Lots of them. I’m not sure I’d go through it once, much less twice.
Note also that if I were in Mr Cherrix and there were to be an Elian-style showdown over my kid, the SWATs wouldn’t be the only ones who were adequately armed this time.
Sure they’d get me, I harbor no illusions about the outcome, but they wouldn’t all be around for the de-brief, that’s for sure.
Finally, I just hear that a stay of execution mandatory chemo has been issued in the case.
Good. That’s a nice first step.
Just remember, “dear” CPS and courts: You may think that you own our kids, that parental rights only exist inasmuch as they don’t interfere with your totalitarian, fascist agenda, and you may very well continue to act according to that belief as well.
But keep in mind that one day, one beautiful day, you’ll push it one inch too far and then you’ll be treated in the exact fashion that you so richly deserve. Just because you haven’t been hung, drawn and quartered yet doesn’t mean that it won’t ever happen.
The vultures will be fat and happy when that day is over, and the world will be a much better place in which to live for the rest of us.
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July 25th, 2006 at 10:21 pmInteresting, and infuriating. I was reading a piece over at Von’s, on the Democrats plan to actually win an election, and I was thinking, I have a winning strategy. How about campaign on this: We think you know how to live your life better than we know how to live your life. So we’re just going to sit down, shut the fuck up, and let you do just that. Vote Democrat.
If anyone actually believed it, they’d win in a landslide. The above post is prime example of how they don’t think we know the best way to live our lives.
Am I still first, or did I type too slow?
July 25th, 2006 at 10:24 pmI condemn my 12 wpm typing speed!
July 25th, 2006 at 10:25 pmSire, I think that has been put on hold…fortunately.
July 25th, 2006 at 10:29 pmhttp://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=108097&ran=203691&tref=po
My feeling is that these bastards will one day push it too far….and perhaps an overude bullet will rearrange the face of one of these sons a bitches stealing our kids and their welfare from us. I know how I feel. As I have said, I watch them but don’t stess over them. In the end it would result in armed conflict……I have no doubt who would prevail…..these left wing smart asses would either run like hell or be outclassed and out shot. Part of the reason I target shoot actually…as does my wife.
Mandatory
July 25th, 2006 at 10:34 pmMisha-launche!
Thank you, Sire, for your gracious link. I thought this would be a topic that would interest you!
Now, don’t forget, the treatment that Abraham wants to undergo *is* apparently quite “alternative,” although what the heck could be wrong with cutting out sugar and going all natural/organic for food?! Surely that part shouldn’t raise eyebrows? Nevertheless, the clinic in Mexico is apparently fairly controversial (to put it kindly).
However, that’s neither here-nor-there: the parents and this young man have decided this is what they want to try after the failure of the previous round of chemo.
For all the sturm-und-drang (did I get that right?) the Left expresses over the right to die issue, surely they should be firmly in Abraham’s corner?
*sigh* Well, logic never really has been their strong point, has it?
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That would be true, if it were about “the right to die.” It’s about the need to die, though. So they’re not going to support someone that isn’t trying to get euthanized.
July 25th, 2006 at 10:40 pmI completely agree wise emperor……one day these goons will push too far and receive the reward they so richly deserve for believing that our children belong to them.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:01 pmTwo paws up to Emperor Misha from the Hound!
The only reason to off these bastards quick is they’re not worth one moment more of our time.
Otherwise, I’d make a science project out of them.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:14 pmWell, the reason I made it optional is that there is some satisfaction inherent in pulling them up slowly, watching them suffocate.
July 25th, 2006 at 11:26 pmnow if he were a girl and wanted an abortion it would be his right
July 25th, 2006 at 11:45 pmForgive me for the rant that is to come, but this shit really burns me. I have no love for the beaurocratic pinheads that claim the authority to decide the fate of our children.
Utah Child Abusive Services, along with the district attorney in Utah is allowing a kid right now to live with a registered sex offender who is not his father. How do I know? It happened to my kids too - and the little boy (now 9) is their half-brother. My kids were molested by the vile prick, but it’s their word against the perp’s, and evidently, the pedophilic laws of the state of Utah are on the perp’s side, probably because if they actually enacted or enforced serious laws to protect children, half that fucking state would have to be locked-up, starting with the “Queer-um of Twelve” and working down from there.
Hell, Utah was siding with the pervert from the beginning - they effectively handed my children over as a sacrafice to “re-integrating” a pervert back into society. Utah sex offender program “counselors” interviewed my children along with my ex-wife and the twice-convicted felony-pervert while they were engaged and subsequently married, all while he was on parole from his convictions.
Did they think to notify me, the co-custodian of my two boys, aged 9 and 4?? Hell no.
Why not?
Because his previous two victims (ages 14-17 and 74) were female. He was not considered to be a threat to my sons.
“Help Offenders Succeed” is the motto proudly displayed on the Utah Sex Offender Website… Accompanied by the creed of the “Offender Success Initiave (OSI),” which I’m pretty sure either mirrors or otherwise compliments the bylaws of NAMBLA.
Damn effective program - he sure succeed in offending again! With victims built right-into the offender’s new household, he won’t have to park his van alongside parks and schoolyards anymore!
Trying to get anyone to do anything about it, however. It probably will come down to standing my ground at the threshhold of my home… I just thank God my home is now 2k miles away from the pedophilic borders of that geographic cornhole AND the bloody cunt that chose a pervert over her own children!
Rage? Just a little… [flame subdued, but not extinguished]
July 26th, 2006 at 1:11 amOn one hand, I really do think the kid should go through chemo again, since it realy is his only good chance for survival.
On the other hand, it is the choice of his parents, who delegated that choice to him. If they want to gamble his life on an alternative treatment, who am I to tell them they can’t?
But, if government goons showed up on MY doorstep trying that, it would be good odds a shotgun would be used in the near future.
July 26th, 2006 at 2:50 amKat:
Conversely, given the radical right’s long track record of heroically defending human life in all its forms (provided they don’t have to pay for it), you would expect every wingnut in the nation to be throwing their over-ample weight behind the judge.
Just out of idle curiosity, why are you damning the left for this? Virginia is a solidly pro-Bush red state, and the CPS comes under the umbrella of the Virginia legislature. Can anyone point to conclusive proof that any leftists have had any serious involvement in this case? Or are you all just doing your “Po’ li’l oppressed Conservative” schtick again?
P.S. You got sturm und drang wrong. It means turbulence, is generally used in the context of textual criticism, and commonly refers to the struggle of one individual against overwhelming odds. You can’t use it to describe the actions of a bloc like ‘the left’.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:23 am#14
July 26th, 2006 at 7:01 amWrong! Accomac Couty went blue in 2000 and 2004.
I blame CHKD for ratting out the family to CPS. God forbid that anyone try to break the Sentara monopoly on health care in eastern Virginia.
[…] Normally, I think I’m pretty good at fisking things like this, but after seeing Misha’s post on the matter, anything I say would be redundant. […]
July 26th, 2006 at 8:02 amRe “Muzzy”; oh gawd, another leftwingnut moron heard from…
While I realize that, as a member of the “fantasy-based community”, your cognitive and observational abilities are at best limited, if you had actually read through the posts, you would have noted that “the left” is only mentioned peripherally in this case, and not at all by His Rottieness.
This is about “The State”, regardless of it’s political orientation, imposing it’s will by force on a family. And it’s not like anyone is looking to die here. They tried the “official, FDA and State of Virginia-approved” method of treatment for the kid’s cancer, and it didn’t fucking work.
So now they want to try some “alternative” method of treatment. We may not necessarily approve of their course of action in this case, but it is not the State’s place to say one way or the other, either. No one is unconscious, no one is being coerced (except the attempt by the state). Everyone involved is wide awake, and knows exactly what they are doing and why.
The main reason the Left is even mentioned here is simply because this is just the sort of thing that extreme statists like you would get off on. After all, “the left” knows better than us poor schmucks of the great unwashed how we should live, think, etc.
Can you say “projecting”? I knew you could…:)
I dunno; after dealing with my in-laws, I’d have to say that if anyone has an “over-ample weight” problem, it’s you lefties.
Also, I’ve seen this accusation many times from your ilk, but never with any examples to back it up (the “defending human life in all it’s forms as long as you don’t have to pay for it” part).
And as for this,
given that there are around 100,000,000+ people who have died on the altar of the Left’s attemps worldwide to impose it’s notions of a “socialist utopia” on humanity in the past 100 years or so, I would think there are quite a few who would take exception with this statement as well…
July 26th, 2006 at 8:07 amHere’s one thing I actually direct knowledge of, having been treated for stage 4 of the exact same disease for over a year (I’ve been better for several years now, but one never really forgets the exact shade of that radioactive koolaid looking stuff they pump into you while covered up in paper space suits).
Look, I think the kid and his parents are idiots, there’s no law against stupidity. If the young man is fully informed and mentally competant, he should be ablt to say “Screw this! I want reiki treatments instead!” or whatever. . .
Luckily, I only had to have chemo once every two weeks for 12 months (wherein I learned I’m kinda pretty sans hair– I have a lovely skull, they tell me), and then a month of daily radiation (Where I got my first tattoo! Woot! A dot! yayness!), but then it was over. If it came back, it would be waaaay worse to go through than the first time, simply because it came back. So, I can understand the desperation.
I was treated at Holy Cross Hospital here in DC, and the doctors and nurses were really good with letting me know about various alternative pratitioners who worked with the hospital and the chemo and all that. Starting with free massage therapy (niiiice. . .), to acupuncture, to even a few herbalists. They’d checked these people out, and while they may not have been completely convinced of the efficacy, they knew these folk weren’t ripping off the gullible, and weren’t causing harm. The doctors’ philosophy was “If it isn’t harmful, and makes you feel better, by all means. . .”. I liked the massage therapy the best. ^_^!
But the point is, alternative medecine was working with the chemo and radiation. Maybe it they couldn’t cure the disease, but if helped with the effects of the chemo. . .of course, for me, the problem wasn’t the chemo itself, it was the dechodron (sic?) which put so many pounds on (I couldn’t even loose weight on chemo! How lame!) and the percocet (blech!) which if used twice in 24 hours would make me sick.
Anyway, back to the main topic. No one should be forced to undergo a treatment if they’re competant and refuse it. They’re funeral, perhaps, but their choice. Nanotech is making things better, and the treatments are getting better, but chemo still sucks ass. And if it’s not working (as it seems in this case it isn’t), then all chemo is doing is killing the kid anyway. . .Folk need to remember that chemo is poison, and the idea of chemotherepy is to kill the cancer, and hope it all dies before the rest of you does. Scorched earth, and all that. If it’s not killing the cancer, it shouldn’t be done anyway.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:10 amI’ll give you this much — the left isn’t solely to blame for this. However, it looks like you don’t know how Virginia politics really work. Lemme clue you in (former resident, many friends):
Virginia currently has a Democrat governor and a split legislature. It has since 2002. Virginia is split into two political and monetary bodies — the poor of southern Virginia and the Blue Ridge, and the technology corridor of the north. North will typically vote blue. Very blue. The south and east typically votes red. There is some level of swing there, but as Northern Virginia is far and away the richest and most populous area of Virginia, they tend to lobby for a lot of crazy-ass things, many of which are really bad. (Funny how the government doesn’t seem to be able to produce the one thing they really need, as they’re too busy subsidizing the south to fix the traffic infrastructure up there.)
But I digress. No, this isn’t a red or blue thing. The government of Virginia is a fucked-up place, more so than most people realize, simply because its populace and its breadbasket is so damned lopsided that the government ends up out of touch with everyone, including itself.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:12 am[…] I first heard about this on the Glenn Beck show (radio). Misha has a pretty good rant about it here. Yes, go read it. I’ll be here. […]
July 26th, 2006 at 8:30 amI listened to that interview on Hannity’s show and nearly hit the roof when I heard that.
My, my, the “social-services” worker that threatened a 16 year old kid with cancer like that must’ve felt like a real man. Probably went home and bragged to his wife about it and slept like a baby. I hope that festering abscess on the anus of humanity gets cancer of the testicles and dies a slow and painful death. There’s no excuse for that kind of behavior. Abraham is going through enough hell with his illness without having to be bullied and terrorized by drones of the court system.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:26 amI tend to agree with John Carlson of KVI in Seattle. A 16- or 17-year-old can weigh his options if he’s given enough info. If the parents want to go with his wishes and eschew a treatment that has a high success rate in favor of some relatively untried therapy, they should be allowed. If he dies, it’s on them. It would be different if he were 11 or younger.
BTW, I think a judge can order someone to get a penecillin shot for syphilis.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:42 amThat’s what everybody’s missing here. There’s no freedom without responsibility, and parents aren’t exempt. If you choose not to take your kid to the doctor for whatever reason, even religious beliefs, and your kid dies, you belong in prison for the rest of your life.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:48 amHaving dealt personally with CPS here in Oregon (case concerned my daughter against the mother, not me) all I can say is if a CPS case worker has the guts to show up at my door ever again even with a uniformed officer or twelve, there will be no conversation.
I have told them point blank their knock will be met with gunfire.
Lots and lots of gunfire.
Those people are criminal all the way to the governor and I nor any member of my family will ever be subjected to that NAZI “we make our own laws” system ever again.
Never.
And muzzy, it’s a widely held knowledge that social programs like welfare and CPS are abortions of the leftist “you don’t have to take responsibility for your own actions” liberal moonbats of this country so go bleat your drivel back at the DU.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:06 am#11 Comment by michaelcullen
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. EXACT. Oh, the irony.
And this folks, is what Hillary Clinton advocates, the whole village shit. And another irony is the Terry Shiavo case. In that case, the socialist groups had no problem REFUSING her treatment.
As others have stated, the kids choice might not be the wisest, but who knows. His parents supported his choice, his LEGAL choice by published laws. The only time the CPS should be involved would be if the parents denied the kid treatment (thinking those Christian Scientists folks) out of pure negligence. But that is not the case.
I have a cousin with this disease. The doctors wrote him off over 7 years ago and only perform routine check-ups, each time sentencing him to 3-6 months to live. This has gone on for years. By his choice, he has submitted himself to many experimental treatments which have prolonged his life (maybe or maybe sheer will).
Remember, doctors are not God, nor do can they guarantee cures. They are PRACTICING medicine. Period.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:24 amRightwingprof,
Uh, it’s not like the parents are refusing to feed or cloth their child. Not providing for the necessities of existence may be a reason to lock them up. Forcing them to pump poison into their kid’s veins is another matter.
Carnifex,
Syphilis is a completely treatable illness with a proven track record. Chemo is a shot in the dark at an invisible target. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. What we know it does do is damage the body in ways we are still learning about. The goal of chemo is to poison the body enough to kill the cancer and hopefully not kill the host in the process.
As a provider I would tell this judge (and I use the term loosely) to go fuck himself. One of the first things one learns about providing treatment for an illness is that when you force something on another it is considered assault and can be prosecuted as such. This does not apply to treatable illnesses with demonstrated cures like syphilis and TB. I would be concerned that the licensing body of my state would bring me up on charges should I force this young man to undergo treatment and I suspect the majority of providers in Virginia feel the same way. However I suspect the judge will find some asshole provider willing to commit assault on another to force treatment.
July 26th, 2006 at 10:36 amBeing shot, stabbed, hung, and run over by a truck is only a good start for these CPS stormtroopers.
July 26th, 2006 at 11:09 amYep, Azy, that’s it in a nutshell.
While I, leaning heavily toward the scientific approach, certainly believe that chemo is the kid’s best shot in this case, I’m also painfully aware of the fact that it may not be a shot at all, PARTICULARLY seeing as how his case seems to be refractory to that kind of treatment, it having already been tried once.
Everybody ought to keep in mind that just because something is the BEST choice doesn’t automatically mean that it’s a GOOD choice.
Also, re: Syphilis: As Azy pointed out, the treatment for that is proven. It works. Even more importantly, syphilis is infectious, meaning that if somebody with it ISN’T treated, there’s a risk that he or she may transmit it to others, which turns it into an entirely different issue. You have the right to put yourself at risk, but you do NOT have the right to put others at risk. Abraham isn’t going to give anybody Hodgkin’s if he isn’t treated and/or cured. Also, before anybody brings up involuntary commitment for insanity and the like, he’s NOT going to be a danger to others because of it. He’s not likely to turn into an axe-wielding psychopath because of Hodgkin’s. Again, the only one who will bear the consequences of his disease and its treatment/non-treatment will be himself.
July 26th, 2006 at 11:39 amIn partial defense of CPS, I’ve seen them do some good work in my area, getting kids out of environments soaked in methamphetamine abuse, placing them with caring relatives, and helping the speed-freaks get to rehab. All without convictions that the police weren’t able to obtain. Scary, but sometimes it works out for the best.
That said, if the state would just stay out of it in the first place and let us shoot the meth-cookers…
July 26th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI’m not saying that. It’s their decision. But if that decision results in the death of the child, they are responsible for it and belong in prison.
In very conservative Indiana, there is a large religious group that does not believe in doctors. Every couple of years, a baby dies, and the parents are charged and convicted. Every time, the Indy Star brings up the whole religious freedom issue — and letters to the editor from those conservative Hoosiers come strongly down on the side of throwing the parents in prison and throwing away the key.
Parents are not exempt from responsibility. If their child dies, they are guilty of manslaughter.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIt seems that, in the view of these social(ist) workers, if you have children, that makes you an automatic slave of the almighty State. “Do what we say or we’ll take your kids away.” They’re manipulating instincts bred into human beings over literally millions of years (the instinct to protect one’s own offspring) to expand their power and influence.
It makes me very, very glad that my wife had a hysterectomy years before she and I ever met.
July 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmCave Bear:
I was responding to Kat, not Misha. Kat strongly implied that blame for this depressing incident laid with the left, an implication that is entirely uncontaminated by evidence.
I know that, dipshit. That’s my fucking point. That’s why I called Kat on his/her bullshit assertion that the left is somehow responsible for all this.
Bottom line: This is not a partisan issue and I resented Kat’s attempt to turn it into one.
Please stop fucking that flaming strawman, cave bear. It’s unseemly, and you could get a nasty rash.
I, as a leftist, entirely respect the rights of anyone to do as they please with their own body, and to raise their kids as they see fit.
While I pity this poor kid for having the misfortune of being born to the sort of dirt stupid imbeciles who would turn their noses up at tried ‘ true secular medicine in favour of some drippy hippy holistic diet proven to cure no-one, I consider the CPS’ actions disgusting.
And, if they were talking about the meaning of ‘Sturm und drang’ they’d be just as wrong as you are. By definition the term can only be applied to individuals, not groups. Clear?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:07 pmPlease forgive me for not reading all the comments before I started. I bring a prospective, that I pray, no one else here has.
My daughter is a cancer survivor (going on 4 years, now, and improving every day). She is 6. My wife and I held her while she went thru 4 rounds of Chemo. Radiation therapy. 21 Surgeries. As much as she cried, she always trusted us when we told her we would always be with her to make it better.
When we started, she was given a 17% chance of survival. Now, other than curing the shit the chemo caused, she is a normal, healthy 6 year old kid. Who knows how to change her own bandages, and can discuss white cell counts with a doctor, and understand what she is talking about.
I don’t tell you all this to get sympathy - she is alive. Beyond that, I have no right to ask.
I understand PERFECTLY Jay Cherrix’ attitude. And why his son, Starchild Andrew, refuses further Chemo therapy. I would rather die myself than put my daughter through that shit again.
Other than Sean Hannity, have you heard anyone in the news telling you that his chances of surviving the TREATMENT is less than one in four? That’s right - a one in four chance of making it to the end of this year. Because, this being a RELAPSE, they will have to be “more aggressive” in their treatment this time. The first time around, the cure rate for Hogkins is starting to look pretty good - for second and subsequent treatments, it is at best Russian Roulette. With 4 loaded chambers.
Did you hear any of the nightly news casts telling you that this clinic in Mexico is doing at least that good? That their Hodgkins 5 year survival rate is north of 40%?
Right, wrong or merely confused, this is ANDREW’s body, not the Commonwealth’s. We we don’t own ourselves, we own NOTHING.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:12 pmCrusader, You and I probably know some of the same Doctors. May the Lord be with you.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:16 pmP.S. - Clarion, thanks for the educational Virginia politics primer.
July 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pmDon’t know if this has been said, but notice how the left will have no problem with forcing this kid to do what they want, but if it were a girl and this was about abortion, she would have every right to choose if she wanted one, and the left would put the parents in jail if they tried to deny her “right” to an abortion.
This kid has a right to decide if he wants to live or die, or how he wants to see himself cured. He has been through it before, so he is acting from a position of prior understanding of the risks and pains involved here.
July 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pm#5 Purple Raider:
No, I do not favor the long drop. Let the rats be whip-hung the way navies used to do mutineers–that way we can watch them kick and dance until they black out.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmMuzzy Moron,
Now what was that about you fucking a flaming straw man, Goober Boy? Must be one helluva rash you got from that…:)
Next time, read the whole post, not to mention thread. Cherrypicking won’t buy you a donut and a cup of coffee around here.
And as for the definition of “sturm und drang”, after looking up several references as to it’s meaning, it’s clear you are utter clueless there as well. As one of the others said, go back to DU before you make yourself out to be an even bigger idiot than you already have.
July 26th, 2006 at 5:43 pmStaci brings up a good point.
What is the difference between this and the Schiavo case?
Maybe it’s comes down to which state you live in. (The SCOTUS refused to hear the Schiavo one)
July 26th, 2006 at 6:18 pmI have both witness and been a victim of the machinations of the neurotic left in this country, in my case involving my daughter when she was young and the school system. To this day I would love to beat the living shit out of that woman, all the while asking her why she was making me do this to her……
July 26th, 2006 at 7:59 pmThere are ways of dealing with those seeking to impose the state’s will on unwilling parents and children. Not that it’s legal, but one thing I do know…I have seen it work. If some leftist publicly employed punk wants to enforce his will on me it will be done at gunpoint………preferably mine. Oddly enough, during the course of my life I have known many unsavory characters. Were I stuck in this predicament, knowing my wife and kid would need me alive and free…rather than gun him down with my .45 and die soon afterwards. I would contact some friends I know…they are Nortenos…yeah, those guys. Some money changes hands and it’s done. Put a price on his head, open ended. In a word……..
Contract him…….
I’ve seen it done in the past.
And no leftist motherfucker will escape that…they’re too busy trying to keep these people out of jail.
Not that I care, I view them as inferior beings, with all the intrinsic value of a cockrach…actually less, roaches do have their uses.
I do believe fervently it will ultimately be decided by force of arms in this country. I know I’m on the winning side………even as the wife and I return to the firing range this Saturday with the .45…….
As I told one lib telling me, scoffing how he was going to take my guns….”You just be first in line, asshole……”
I am still waitin’…….
This story utterly infuriates me. On two fronts. 1)The upcoming “who want’s to be a CPS nazi?” and 2) The chemo that this poor kid is being forced. Don’t know if anyone will ever read this post but personal story up next…..stay tuned.
In 1967, at the age of 27, my father was diagnosed with the type of Hodgkins that this boy had. First traces found in his throat. Just out of the Air Force and married to my mother only 2 years, it was first found in his throat in an x-ray. His options 39 YEARS AGO are the same being given to this kid. He was lucky and having in-laws in the medical world, was steered toward experimental Hodgkins research at Stanford University using laser bombardment from Stanford’s Linear Accelator Center.
Here’s the link http://www.stanford.edu/dept/physics/history/index.html#SLAC
From 1967 until 1992 he spent 10 days at Standford University Hospital being a guinea pig for Hodgkins Tests with this underground, mile-and-a-half long accelerator laser pointed at his neck. laser. Later on, not so much as more advanced techniques came about. His focus group of about 15 people, IIRC is where the “link to destroy” came from. He was paid for damn near everything but gas to be part of the ongoing study.
After 1992, the SLAC was used more for physics experiments and less than medical, even though Stanford is a well known medical-driven university. He then started being charged for expenses and in 1995, by his words the “Research became not much more than a secretary asking for your credit card, so I left”.
Advance to 2006……my father has not had a TRACE of the disease in 11 years, and the original affliction was gone in 2 after the experiments. He is now retired, and survived 4 other cancers, treatments of which in part, came from his Standford test group being developed over the years. My father has NEVER had chemotherapy for his Hodgkins. Nor any cancer. It is gone.
So when I read that some little kid is being ripped from his home, to undergo forced treatment using
40 year old technology, I will feel no sympathy for the gulag that get’s what may or may not be at the door for them. It is a dishonor to his family (and mine really) when my father provided so much for the research for such a nasty condition, only to have it ignored by people that think they “know better”
FUCK YOU. I hope he says to them “You can have my child when you pry him from my cold dead hands….”
Rope. 4 horses. CPS thought police. I don’t need no g-d damn tree. I’m gonna break a fucking tooth if they grate any harder tonight.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:55 pmEdit: To clarify, that was 10 days each year.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:29 pmcave bear
In re: my comment about wingnuts going all out to defend life in all its forms without being willing to pay for it. It was based on the fact that a great many pro-lifers have serious commitment problems when it comes to putting their money where their mouths are and volunteering to adopt/financially contribute to the raising of the babies whose births they would force.
The National Adoption Information Clearing House reports that in the year 2000 (to take a sample year), there were 127,630 adoptions in the US. So that year, there were that many families willing to go through the adoption process from beginning to end.
Let’s now say, as this overview of surveys suggests, that about 40% of the US adult population (Reported by the U.S. Census Bureau to be 209,128,094 in 2000) self-identifies as pro-life, making 83,651,237 pro-life supporters in that year.
Let us assume that the families who adopted in 2000 are a random sample of Americans, meaning that 40% of them would have self-identified as pro-life. That’s 51,052 pro-life adopters out of 83,651,237 pro-life sympathizers, or 6 out of every 10,000 people who want women not to get an abortion who actually wanted a kid that was not their own that year.
The Center for Disease Control reports that in 2000, there were 857,475 abortions.
Let’s say the pro-lifer’s had gotten their way in 2000, and that not one of the 857,475 abortions had happened? What would have happened to all these kids, who were not wanted by 100% of their parents, and are obviously also not wanted by 99 and 94/100% of the people who would have been glad to see them born instead of aborted?
So while I would be wrong in saying that there are not pro-lifers who work past simply protesting abortion, I am right in saying that in terms of actually dealing with the potential realities of the world they wish to live in, the pro-lifers’ efforts beyond shooting off their mouths don’t amount to squat.
While there are Rebublicans who want to call the Democrats the “Party of Death”, the Republicans (who, let’s face it, make up most of the pro-lifers) are apparently vying for the title of the “Party of Squalor, Neglect and Abuse”. Which is better is left as an exercise for the voter.
There. Addressed. And finding those figures and typing them up took all of ten minutes. Having established your abysmal ignorance, not only of the world in which you live, but of the world in which you and your fellow anti-idiotarian idiots would like to live, can you please shut the fuck up?
Actually, no, wait…don’t do that. You’ve still to address ANY of the following.
and
You can shut the fuck up after you’ve tackled the substance of my last post, substance which you ignored entirely in the same post in which you castigated me for overlooking just one of your points.
Oh well, figures really. You wouldn’t be a wingnut if you weren’t stupid and hypocritical.
July 27th, 2006 at 6:21 amAnd also with you.
I’m glad to hear your daughter is doing well. When I was sick, I was the daughter being cared for, and it seemed much, much harder on my parents then on me. Several times early on, my mother started toward hysterics, wondering if there had been something unsafe in the house, something in the diet, something she could have done to prevent it. I put a stop to that right quick, but I know she continued to have those moments of feeling like she somehow didn’t protect her little girl.
In fact, I know it was harder on everyone else than me, because after a day of cussing God out when diagnosed, I knew I was gonna be allright. I mean, knew to the core of my being. It was very hard to explain where this certainty came from, especially at the time. I know my Mom (who is a nurse, btw, and naturally did a lot of research once the diagnosis was made) thought I was insane or stupid. It was only months after radiation was finished that I told them about the silly dream I had in the hospital that woke me up in giggles and had the nursing staff worried that the gas lines in the wall were leaking.
So, I sorta understand how very difficult it can be to watch someone you love go through that. My Mom got weepy when we shaved my head– I was mostly bald anyway, and looked like a hobo, so we shaved the rest off. I thought it was kinda cool. My Dad was in Florida when I was first hospitalized, and couldn’t make it back quickly, and apparently, felt really guilty about that for a long time. I learned several years after the fact that when my best friend was getting married, they actually considered postponing the wedding until I could come be bridesmaid. Luckily, they realized I’d feel even worse if I felt responsible for ruining a wedding.
Everyone else took it really hard, too, so I figure that for many people, having to be on the sidelines for such a thing is worse than the fight itself. God knows, I’d probably loose my ever-loving mind if my little bro ended up with something. If you ever wanna see a coyote go apesh*t. . .And there would definitely be another round of cussing God out. . . Good thing He’s so understanding and forgiving. . .
July 27th, 2006 at 6:58 amI’m glad that the state has issued a stay until 8/18, but the reality is that if the state can force you receive medical treatment against your will, you are nothing more than a slave.
July 27th, 2006 at 7:30 pm