Yet we’re all being forced to fund them through our tax dollars.
How much longer can we be expected to tolerate this? How much longer before We, the People, decide to do what our “representatives” refuse to do?
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Apparently, longer still.
It’s easier to sit around and let our rights crumble around us than to take action, because, well, American Idol is on! And look - bright shiny objects!
I’d love it if any Governor from any State would stand up to idiocy - especially judicial Constitution-violating - and say, “Enough. No more.”
Sadly, I think the Texans have a greater chance of winning the Super Bowl this year than that happening. It’s that whole “snowball-hell” thing.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:20 pmNearly forever, if you ask me.
August 30th, 2006 at 9:46 pmFunny thing was what one of the stop aclu callers commented on: the day that the aclu actually has to defend itself against some contrived case that the ass-clu itself created.
August 30th, 2006 at 10:09 pmThis could be a beginning to the end of them.
One can always hope.
The sooner the better, both the aclu and the un need to be driven into the sea.
Taxation without representation! It was a major factor in at least one revolution.
Death to Islam, and
August 30th, 2006 at 10:52 pmtheir mediot stooges!
Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane
If the Ten Commandments were displayed it might intimidate the judges and lawyers who think they are the final arbiters of right and wrong, after all, you can’t have anyone actually thinking America was founded on Judeo/Christian values, can you?
Isn’t this a moot point now that President Bush has taken it by executive order? These dinks think they are all powerful when they’re just dangerous. What do you need to do with a dangerous snake?
Here, Here! I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’ve about had my fill of these fools!
August 30th, 2006 at 11:05 pm“When, in the course of Human Events, it becomes necessary…..”
Sever those ties. Along with a multitude of traitorous spine(less) columns.
When I first came to these pages, it was in the throes of the last election. I wrote reams and tomes, debating trolls and idiotarians of all stripes. I argued, I marshalled facts, I leaned on the beam of logic, I offered reason, I scoffed at their naivete, I scorned their ignorance, I mocked their willful denial….
Not one fool was convinced so far as I can tell, neither here nor in my daily world. The diseases and afflictions brought upon us by socialism and its dupes is so entrenched and ingrained that only blood will expunge it.
Face it. Order is the child of destruction.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:33 pmYou can’t display “thou shalt not bear false witness” and “thou shalt not steal” in a room full of lawyers and judges - that makes for a hostile work environment!
August 31st, 2006 at 12:06 amUhh, no. What the ACLU does is consistently win court cases to fight back against the will of a uneducated ignorant redneck majority who doesn’t know any better. That’s right, the ACLU protects you right-wing morons from YOUR OWN idiocy.
DUH! WE NEED THEM THAR 10 COMMANDEMENTS EVERYWHURR BECAUSE THATS THE WILL OF GAWD! *swig* Now go get me another Miller High Life before ah beat you somethin awful woman *burp*
The ACLU has been around since 1920 and has probably single-handedly been the greatest contribution to keep this country from becoming a full blown facist theocracy. And it’s only getting stronger. I take solace in knowing the ACLU will continute to exist and thrive for generations to come.
You know why all these Middle-Eastern countries become how fukked up as they are? BECAUSE THERE’S NO ORGANIZATION LIKE THE ACLU TO STAND UP FOR WHAT’S RIGHT.
August 31st, 2006 at 1:56 amYou have got to be kidding me. What grave danger does a prayer before a high school football game or graduation pose to our precious republic? What grave danger does a Christmas tree, called a Christmas tree, sitting on the town square pose to our precious republic? What grave danger does the Ten Commandment pose to our republic, whether hanging in a small, tasteful wooden engraving on a courthouse wall, or emblazoned in stone in a park somewhere?
At least you’re being honest about what the ACLU actually means - the Anti-Christian Litigation Union.
What is it with liberals? How does my free expression of my religious beliefs equate with a loss of civil liberties on your part? I pay as much tax as you do - why can’t yours go to fund the abortion clinic, and mine go to power a Christmas tree? The ACLU has repeatedly fought against the civil liberties of Christians. Why is that?
And claiming the Middle East is messed up because of the lack of an ACLU-like organization? Please! An organization like that couldn’t exist in many ME countries because they would be shot and bombed out of existence. That should tell you more about our country, and the greatness of it, than anything about the ACLU.
Sadly, though, you may be right about their continued existence. See, when liberals are in power, they fight to impose their personal preferences through law, despite what the laws, enacted by their duly elected representative, actually say. When conservatives are in power, they don’t fight for a conservative agenda - they fight to return to a literal interpretation of the law. So, as time goes on, the liberals get the upper hand, and the field is tilted. Conservatives get the upper hand, and the field is righted, but not all the way. The next time liberals get in power, the field is already tilted, so they just add to it.
In my e-mail signature block, I have a quote from Brad Stine…
I submit that the answer to that question is the latter; and that you, sir, fit the bill quite nicely. I really don’t expect you to answer any of the “why”s above, because I know there is no good reason. This country was built on freedom of religious expression, and our Bill of Rights structured so that we would never have a religion that came close to the official state Anglican Church in England. It was never meant to keep religious people from participating in government or speaking their minds.
(Even this illustrates my point. You say “you can’t”, while I say “I can”. To trample your rights, I’d have to say “you have to”, not “I can”. If you can’t see that, then we have nothing further to discuss.)
August 31st, 2006 at 2:20 amIt’s called a slippery slope. Next thing you know, it’ll be mandatory to pray 5 times a day at specific times no matter *where* you are. Sound familiar?
You’re right. And if the right-wing bible-thumping assclown majority truly had their way, then they would bomb the ACLU out of existence. Luckily, in the USA, the ACLU has embedded itself in the very fabric of this country and it ain’t goin’ NOWHERE.
I believe in God, you self-righteous douchebag. But I sure as fuck don’t believe in Christianity.
August 31st, 2006 at 2:39 amIt hasn’t. And it’s asking to go down.
August 31st, 2006 at 4:46 amBullshit flag thrown on the pussified little needle-dick, lying out his skanky ass, 15 yards, loss of down.
And you’re reeeeeal brave calling people douchebags from behind your daddy’s skirt up there in Plano, chickenshit.
18959 Lina St, #601
Dallas, TX
I’m just down the road from you, pansy-ass. Anytime you wanna come and try to call me a douchebag to my face, feel free.
Just make sure your HMO’s paid up, asswipe.
August 31st, 2006 at 7:00 amOh boy… and here’s the guy who rode the short bus on the way to school each morning, folks.
August 31st, 2006 at 8:09 amIsn’t this just another case of the voters getting the government they deserve?
I don’t know but do we deserve the likes of Kerry, Chaffee, Snowe, Leahy, Clinton, Schumer, et al who would surely whine and rant if monies were cut off from the ACLU?
August 31st, 2006 at 8:26 amI know what a slippery slope is, and this ain’t it. For over TWO HUNDRED YEARS, we have done things like open formal occasions in prayer - many legislatures still do. We had Christmas trees. Most of our governmental holidays coincide with Christian ones. This nation was founded on Christian principles, by God-fearing men and women who realized that man’s heart yearns to be free.
We haven’t had to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day yet, in over 200 years. Why in the last 35 years or so has it been such a problem? The answer is that is isn’t - what you’ve got is a group of people who don’t want to be bothered with religion (and probably have a guilty conscience) who think that those who practice religion are just plain stupid. And, since we’re stupid, we obviously need government to come in and save us from our stupidity.
It floors me - liberals preach tolerance, tolerance, tolerance. Tolerance of “alternative lifestyles”, tolerance of whatever filth broadcasters want to put on TV, tolerance of a religion whose followers murderd 3,000 of our own civilians 5 years ago. But while kids are role-playing Islam in their classes, let one of them bring a Bible into class and read it during their free time. Where did the “tolerance” go?
For liberals, tolerance is a one-way street. Others have to tolerate them, or they’re branded as bigots, or racists, or whatever. But they don’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, and they’re put in the position of tolerating something that makes them uncomfortable.
And besides - really and truly, tolerance is way overrated. It is the bastion of someone who is not secure enough in their beliefs to actually have an opinion on something. And as much as liberals love to prattle on about tolerance - you can still post here, but if you go to the HuffPo from here, you can’t even register. Who are the tolerant ones?
I would be really worried if you knew what you were talking about - but judging from the above, I guess I’m still OK. I currently belong to (and support 90% or so of the beliefs of) a Southern Baptist church. Before that, for the first 26 years of my life, I belonged to independent, soul-winning, Bible-believing, KJV-only churches. (I didn’t agree with as much there, which is why I switched.) So, I have been a part of what’s considered the “fringe right”. NOT ONE SINGLE TIME was it ever preached, taught, or suggested that violence be used against those with whom we disagreed. (You must have us confused with Islam.)
I could go on about the positive things we did, and how lives were change by showing Jesus’ love. But I feel that it would just be a waste of time. Your mind is made up.
And on the last point… You believe in God, you just feel that government should not even acknowledge His existence at all? I don’t know what God you believe in, but the One I believe in doesn’t like being excluded from anything.
August 31st, 2006 at 11:50 amCome say that to my face, chickenshit. The bet from here is that you don’t have the balls, limp-wrist.
C’mon, let’s see whatcha got, nancy boy!
August 31st, 2006 at 12:18 pmIt is only until recently that religion and politics has become so intermeshed. Combine this with our war against Islam, and it is easy to see Christian facism rising rapidly. The ACLU is helping prevent that.
Take the whole “voluntary” prayer before high school football games issue. In certain areas, maybe 90% of people will pray. The other 10% who don’t “volunteer” will be seen as outcasts, jesus-haters, satanists, etc. Sooner or later, a couple good ol’ christian boys are gonna go vandalize the cars of the non-believers because they’re different, or harm them in other ways. The next game, the non-believers will just join the prayer so they don’t stick out and invite more harassment.
And there you have it, your harmless little “voluntary” prayer is now something that is shoved down people’s throats and is inherently exclusionary. And this is only the beginning.
If you don’t believe in evolution, than I have no choice but to label you stupid. Sorry. If you think that the earth is only 6000 years old, then you’re a dumbass. If you believe that a guy named Noah built a boat and filled it with all the animals on earth, then you make retards look intelligent.
It floors me that you can’t grasp the simple concept that liberals are standing up for the minorites whose rights would otherwise be trampled by the christian majority. We live in a Christian country, for fuck’s sake. You guys are the majority, you are in control, you don’t *need* anyone standing up for you guys. It’s like when white people say “Why isn’t there a White History month if we have a Black History month?” IT’S BECAUSE EVERY MONTH IS WHITE HISTORY MONTH.
Of course not, if your church advocated criminal acts, then it would be shut down. And if it’s shut down, it can’t generate money for the people in charge, which is what churches are really about (but that’s a different topic altogether).
Do you think most mosques actually openly advocate murder of non-muslims? If you do, then you’re stupid. It is only the extremists that adhere to this, and it all goes on outside the mosque.
And believe me, most of the people who read this blog are so filled with hate that they’d go and burn down the local ACLU office in a heartbeat if they knew they could get away with it.
What, having “in god we trust” on our money isn’t good enough for you? It’s not “God” that I (and the ACLU) have a problem with, it’s the government sponsorship of Christianity. It’s just a shame that you are too blind to see the distinction. I pray one day you will.
August 31st, 2006 at 6:09 pmThat has to be the most impressive pile of incoherent, paranoid nonsense I’ve seen in a long time. Well, since yesterday, actually, but let’s not talk about Eric Margolis again.
August 31st, 2006 at 6:51 pm[…] Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiller makes the point we should have. A vast majority of the people of the United States are diametrically opposed to the ACLU and their pet agendas. […]
August 31st, 2006 at 8:32 pmYup, and a vast majority of American’s are also idiots.
The US is a republic, not a democracy. Remember that.
August 31st, 2006 at 9:35 pmoops, typo with the apostrophe on the abouve post.
August 31st, 2006 at 9:36 pmAnd one pussy in Plano is a limp-wristed, needle-dicked chickenshit who’d wet his diapers if he ever had to say that to someone’s face.
When are you coming to get your ass kicked, coward?
August 31st, 2006 at 10:54 pmI challenge you to post three links to news stories identifying “Christian fascism”. Go ahead and post more if you’d like, because I’m sure we’ll have a difference of opinion on what constitutes fascism. Wait - I’ve got an idea…
“Our Father, Who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us each day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil - for Thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory forever. Amen.”
Did that make you uncomfortable? Do you feel that I should not have the right to do what I just did, pray in a public forum? If so, why?
You don’t have the first clue about mandatory prayer. I’m currently deployed in the middle east, and as I’m typing this, I hear the chants coming from the mosques. Are they in sync? Of course not - it’s a bunch of babbling to me (especially since I don’t speak Arabic). But yet, there they are, 5 times a day, on every loudspeaker in this country. Earlier today, they left it on for a whole sermon! (Or, they might have been calling people to jihad, who knows…) But let a church ring their bells once a week on Sunday morning, or let a 30-second prayer be said before a football game, and you’re worried about a state religion coming out of that?
How old are you? Have you studied the history of our country? We are more secular today than we’ve ever been. There are more organizations looking out for more narrowly-defined self-identified-victim groups than we’ve had in this nation’s history. About the only thing you can get away with making fun of is Christians - and you can’t have a wholesome father figure either, they all have to be bumbling idiots, rescued by their much smarter wives and disrespectful children.
And again I say - you are attributing violence to a group that hardly ever commits it, and when it does, the rest of the group is quick to distance themselves from them, and even aid in their capture if they’re still at large. Christians are not like Muslims, yet you seem to be projecting a lot of their failings on us.
You know, I would believe in evolution - but I just don’t have that much faith. I only have faith enough to believe the Biblical account. And although I do not believe the earth is 6,000 years old, I do believe it was created around 6,000 years ago. (You do understand how that’s possible, right?) And why shouldn’t I believe the story of Noah? It certainly jives with ancient lineages, and explains how the earth’s canopy disappeared. Besides, they’ve found the boat! Now where were those missing links again? Oh yeah, I forgot - that’s why they’re called MISSING.
The Christian majority? What country do you live in? Christians are more disrespected and disdained in this country than ever.
If you don’t see the irony in that statement, then there’s nothing really I can add…
Then how come we have to sue to be able to have groups of kids that want to study the Bible be able to meet in an empty room of a high school, when several other clubs meet there? How come a judge can’t have a plaque with the Ten Commandments on it where he works? How come churches are threatened with lawsuits for distributing “voting guides” to educate voters on how certain candidates believe, but Slick Willy, AlGore, and John F’in Kerry go to “black” churches and campaign, and everyone acts like it’s a natural thing?
And why is that? Who makes the curriculum? And don’t say “white people” - the liberals in academia are the ones who make the curriculm. The same liberals who have a vested interest in emphasizing and trying to preserve segregation as much as possible - because, if they can’t prattle on about how the other guy is keeping people segregated, they might actually have to, you know, do something useful.
Let me see if I can break this down for you - the blindness isn’t on my side.
Your bringing up the money is an excellent example. “In God We Trust” is our national motto - has been for hundreds of years. What you and those like you are advocating is going back through our country’s traditions and history, and expurgating from them any reference to God or the Christian beliefs of our founding fathers.
(Yet we’re supposed to respect Islam. In the immortal words of John Stossel - “Give me a break!”)
The other problem I have with this is the insinuation that you can either be a religious person, or involved in public service, but not both. That is wrong and discriminatory, and I for one will not stand for it.
September 1st, 2006 at 7:44 amI can’t. Thanks to the ACLU, who has been keeping up the fight and not allowing things to get to that level.
Absolutely not. You can pray out in public as much as you please. AS LONG AS IT’S NOT GOVERNMENT SPONSORED. You *still* seem to lack the understanding of this crucial distinction. A public school football game is a GOVERNMNET-SPONSORED ACTIVITY and thus no public prayer ritual should occur during this event. Do you get it? At private schools, they can do whatever the hell they please, BUT NOT AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
Yes. With good reason. Why should churches be allowed to avoid public noise laws so they can ring their silly bells? Churches aren’t above the law, much to your chagrin.
Christians commit violence just as much as anyone else. And you haven’t addressed my hypothetical situation, which is a clear example of how public prayer is inherently exclusionary and is WHY we don’t allow such things.
And here is where you lose all credibility, with your tenacious adherence to these fairy tales. You honestly believe some 900 year old dude gathered up EVERY SPECIES OF EVERY ANMIAL and took them on this giant boat. I mean, I was 10 years old when I called bullshit on this silly story, but you, a grown man, still believe it. And no, THEY HAVEN’T FOUND THE ARK. Every couple years someone thinks they’ve found it, it’s the same old bullshit story. If they actually did find it, it would be the greatest discovery of all time, not some crap you only find on loony Christian websites. They haven’t found the ark, they never will, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ARK. Here’s the latest tripe that will be debunked and forgotten. http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2133311&page=1
And how many times did they “find” the ark in the 80’s? :eyeroll:
So what? They still make up the majority of people in this country. Luckily, this is falling, as most people wake up to the real world.
Yes it is. The courthouse is a govt building, displaying a tree endorses christmas. Now if the tree was placed next to a menorah and other relgious symbols, then that’s OK. But the tree alone, HELL NO.
Having a prayer before a football game or legislative session is not goverment sponsorship of Christianity.
If the prayer is Christian and the school is public, then yes it is.
Agreed.
Also agreed, because “god” is being used in a generic sense, NOT a christian one. do you see the distinction?
God bless the ACLU.
September 1st, 2006 at 10:35 amOh, and for all of you who mistakingly believe that the ACLU is anti-Christian, I would ilke to refer you to this page:
http://home.comcast.net/~aasch/ACLUFightsForChristians.htm
which gives myriads of examples where the ACLU has come to the defense of Christians when they faced discrimination.
A little something to think about, folks.
September 1st, 2006 at 2:14 pm*crickets*
Yup, just what I thought. No comments about the link posted above? No comments about how the ACLU as actually fought FOR the right of Christians to express themselves and their religions?
Next time you frothing fuckwits get in an uproar about the eeeeeeevvvvvilll ACLU and their eeeeevvviilll anti-christian agenda, just remember one thing:
You’re. dead. wrong.
Ain’t that a bitch?
September 1st, 2006 at 8:49 pmWell, apparently you didn’t check all those links too terribly closely, pussy.
Seems that the Asshatted Crack-smoking Lickspittles Union filed this particular pat-on-their-back under “Racial Justice”. Didn’t seem too very concerned about any religious rights there, I’d say.
Oh, and you’re still a pansy-assed chickenshit son-of-a-crack-whore-bitch, and I’m still waiting to administer you your ass-whipping.
Anytime you’re ready, dickweed.
Come out from behind daddy’s skirt and we’ll see who’s the bitch, fuckhead.
September 1st, 2006 at 9:23 pmIn any case, you’ve managed to find only 27 out of the multitude of lawsuits they either threaten or file every year.
Bet you’re reeeeeeeal proud of yourself, ain’tcha, dumbass? Then again, we all know what they say about blind pigs and truffles, don’t we?
Got any more nuggets of wisdom, shit-for-brains?
*crickets*
Yup, just what I thought.
September 1st, 2006 at 9:35 pmanyone besides the village idiot have anything to add?
September 2nd, 2006 at 1:00 amWhat’s the matter, fuckhead? Can’t handle the fact that I just took your webpage and shoved it back up your swishy ass? And that was just one link! Wonder what I’ll find if I scan the rest of it, hmmmmmmmm???
Now, you need to quit quivering and hold still - your daddy’s not gonna be happy with that rim-job you’re giving him.
And you’re still too much of a chickenshit to come out from behind his skirt, y’know.
Not that I blame you, wuss boy. If I had a guaranteed ass-whipping waiting for me down the road, I’d want to stay where I was, too.
September 2nd, 2006 at 7:54 amuhh, you didn’t shove shit, you stupid twat.
you don’t want to admit the truth, that the ACLU stands up for Christians, fine. but just know that you’ll always be wrong.
now back on the short bus with you, dippy. and don’t forget your helmet.
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:36 amChilled dick, you have yet to prove ANY of your arguements will come true if the aclu ceased to exist.
Frankly, I think your full of shit. Your not worth debating.
September 2nd, 2006 at 10:46 amCome on down and say that to my face, pussy. You’re only a few minutes away - what’s stopping you, chickenshit?
Won’t take long, promise. Maximum of three seconds to have your skanky ass tasting concrete, limpwrist.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:43 amAbsolutely not. You can pray out in public as much as you please. AS LONG AS IT’S NOT GOVERNMENT SPONSORED. You *still* seem to lack the understanding of this crucial distinction. A public school football game is a GOVERNMNET-SPONSORED ACTIVITY and thus no public prayer ritual should occur during this event. Do you get it? At private schools, they can do whatever the hell they please, BUT NOT AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
And the distinction that you’re not seeing is that allowing a prayer does not constitute an endorsement of religion. In many places, it’s a tradition that no one wants changed. But wait until the big city lawyers show up and start suing these poor little school districts…
The “establishment clause” of the Constitution was intended to prevent just that - the establishment of a state religion. It was not intended to make government ignore all religions, to limit freedom of religious expression, or somehow make atheism a prerequisite for government service.
So what? They still make up the majority of people in this country. Luckily, this is falling, as most people wake up to the real world.
And with that, your intent is clear. You are opposed to Christians. You don’t believe they should have any protections under the law because we’re stupid, and believe fairy tales. You go along with the ACLU’s maligning of Christianity because you don’t want us around.
My Intenet connection went belly-up, which is why I haven’t responded earlier. I’ll look at those links and post a reply at some point. I don’t think it’ll do any good, but what the heck…
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:57 pm