Yes, Virginia, “Torture” DOES Work
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in A.-I. Whup-ass, The Empire at War12:15 am
The headline being, of course, for the benefit of the part of the population who don’t know what the Hell they’re talking about, yet feel that they’re absolute authorities on the subject. Those who DO know what they’re talking about will look at the hed and go “well, D’UH!”
“Torture” works wonderfully well or, as I like to call it, “coercive interrogation techniques.” Not because of some weird squeamishness on my part, I had my squeam gland removed surgically at the age of 5, but because it’s important to make a clear distinction between splinters under the fingernails, chopping off of body parts, poking out eyeballs etc. and the highly sophisticated, NOT damaging methods used by interrogators who know what they’re doing.
In other words, the methods that the CIA have been using and want to be allowed to continue to use in order to avoid future 9/11s, a goal that John “Ho Chi Minh’s Revenge” McCain and Lindsey Lohan Graham don’t agree with. They apparently don’t care that much about Americans being murdered.
And those methods work. They work wonderfully well, but don’t take my word for it.
Take Brian Ross, chief investigative correspondent for the ABC (not exactly a Bush-shilling propaganda network)’s word instead. He’s been in touch with CIA sources, some of who actually oppose the techniques, who’ve told him the following:
- Out of 14 top terrorists interrogated, 14 broke under interrogation.
- The information they provided was useful and helped roll up terrorist cells, averting further attacks on American civilians
- Most of them broke as a result of mild techniques, such as the “cold room” and “sleep deprivation” methods, only a few had to be subjected to “waterboarding”, where the detainee is led to believe that he’s drowning, without being in any actual danger at any point. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind behind 9/11, lasted almost three minutes. He was the toughest case
None of the suspects were physically damaged in any way (not that I really care), but they all broke. Without exception.
The intelligence gathered saved lives.
John McCain doesn’t want us to be able to gather intelligence. John McCain would rather we had a million Mogadishus than let our interrogators slap the belly of a murderer and a war criminal.
Because if we as much as give a terrorist a wedgie, John McCain maintains that the Islamofascists will retaliate on OUR soldiers, should they be captured.
Supposedly, John “Brickhead” McCain believes that they might use a dull sword when mutilating and beheading our soldiers.
John “I Wanna Be President” McCain would rather sacrifice you, your spouse and your children than let our interrogators grab the shirt of a war criminal.
John “I Wish I Were A Dog So I Could Lick My Own Balls” McCain loves only one person in this universe, and that one person is John McCain.
If John “I Wish To Lick Osama’s Nutsack” McCain ever appears as a candidate in a Presidential election, I’ll vote for Satan himself if he happens to be the opposing candidate.
Do your country a favor, McCain: Kill yourself.
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Fuerst! :king_tb:
Sleep deprivation is probably the first thing I’d try. Well, after bagpiping & cigar smoke. :smoke_tb:
September 21st, 2006 at 1:54 amI’ve been yelling at my TV every time one of these worthless piles of skin show up and says “Torture doesn’t work.” I’ve been waiting for someone to ask the question. Then what happens once the false info is found out? Don’t you think a interrogator worth his nuts would tell his prisoner what will happen if the info turns out to be false?
September 21st, 2006 at 1:55 am:wallbash_tb:
Every time I think that John McCain couldn’t show himself a bigger son of a bitch, he proves me wrong. His recent comments - I forget the exact words - where he implied that Bush had promised Iraq would be a cakewalk exceeded all expectations. I’m at the point now where, when someone mentions he was a POW, I ask “For which side/”
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September 21st, 2006 at 5:03 amDid anyone else catch the witless rantings of Carroll Bogert of Human Rights Watch on the O’Reilly Factor last night?
Can someone explain to me how what Human Rights Watch calls what happened at Abu Ghraib torture and expend many pages in doing so but yet only devotes three paragraphs to Nick Berg?…
September 21st, 2006 at 5:54 amJ. Peter Mulhern over at American Thinker (screw the Thinker for not allowing linkage to a particular commentary!) notes (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles_print.php?article_id=5873):
McCain is a moral exhibitionist. The principal goal of all his public acts is to showcase his exquisite decency. His only apparent ideology is sanctimonious self-congratulation. Consider, for example, his approach to the two defining issues of his career, campaign finance “reform,” and the al Qaeda bill of rights.
McCain repaired his reputation after the “Keating Five” scandal by crusading for the regulation of political speech. This was the cause that built his reputation as a “maverick” and a man of conscience. The solutions for which McCain fought tirelessly never responded to any problem in the real world. They were designed to restrict political freedom and protect incumbents from attack, not to suppress corruption. They have operated within design parameters.
Ironically the McCain-Feingold campaign finance “reform” bill was the most corrupt piece of legislation Congress has passed in modern times. In a democracy there is nothing more corrupt or corrupting that incumbents manipulating the law to protect their own electoral interests….
September 21st, 2006 at 6:49 amXystus: What’s wrong with bagpiping?
September 21st, 2006 at 8:27 amI LIKE bagpiping! :tongue1_tb:
As for Mc-LAIM I admired him in my youth-I’m(almost) 36-and I’m sorry for the hell that he went trough in ‘Nam.
That said I wouldn’t vote for him for garbage collector now. What’s more important-preventing future attacks on the innocent-or protecting the rights of those that wish to do evil?
Does he really think that being kinder and gentler to those thar wish us harm would’ve prevented what happened to Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg or those two soldiers?
McCain must be suffering from PTSD or something because what is obvious to the rest of us aint obvious to him. :furious_tb: :wallbash_tb: :nono_tb:
This seems to be an example of a justified personal phobia against maltreatment of prisoners interfering with rational thought. I think as people get older, these things get harder to think beyond. McCain is simply way past his expiration date–he needs to go rant about all the bad stuff dem yungins is up to from a rocking chair (while his grandchildren nod, wink and drink his liquor), not a lawmaker’s podium.
September 21st, 2006 at 8:48 amBagpipes are not an instrument of war … they are an instrument of Torture!
McCain’s bad experience in the Hanoi Hilton will always color his views. As for myself … I still don’t agree with the use of torture … I prefer a firing squad for these rats, with exactly one offer for temporary clemency in return for intel.
I might pull a “Jack Bauer” for info about a live nuke in a city … but I would expect to be fired and punished for doing it afterwards.
September 21st, 2006 at 9:31 amI used to think McCain was a hero. Has he been smitten with terminal stupidity? Or just plain senility? :embarrassed_ee:
September 21st, 2006 at 9:50 amHey! HEY! Lay off the pipes, already! If you can find something better to strike fear in your enemies heart as you march into battle, use that.
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If your torture isn’t working, you are doing something wrong.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:12 amNo…no….no….no….the sound of bagpipes are not an instrument of torture…..
Barbara Streisand’s singing is
September 21st, 2006 at 10:41 amThe argument is made that we must respect the Geneva convention because, otherwise, our own soldiers will be at risk of mistreatment when they become prisoners of war.
The North Vietnamese imprisoned and tortured McCain for five and a half years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton. The communists were not influenced by America’s adherence to the Geneva Conventions. Neither are the terrorists.
Does any sane adult believe that the cutthroats we are dealing with will respect the Geneva convention? Or that our extension of Geneva convention rights to them will be seen as anything other than another sign of weakness and confusion that will encourage them in their terrorism?
The much larger question — the question of survival — is whether we have the clarity and the courage to go all-out in self-defense against those who are going all-out to destroy us, even at the cost of their own lives.
And NO, hearin’ the pipes a’waftin’ through th’ glen is a Call To Arms, laddie, not torture. Gets me blood a’pumpin’ it does.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:44 amDated a girl (briefly) some years back who couldn’t stand my tape of harp & bagpipe music. I’ve still got the tape, damned if I can remember her name.
So, McCain is against giving someone a pink belly (had a few in my youth), attention slap (ditto), attention grab (ditto), waterboarding (anyone here ever play water polo, without the referee?), etc & etc.
What does he propose? Harsh language? Making shame-shame with both index fingers?
Personally, if I thought it would help my wife & kids sleep safe at night I’d recommend using a blowtorch & a pair of pliers. I’ll buy the propane!
September 21st, 2006 at 10:50 amContrordine: la tortura funziona…
Non sarà un bella notizia per i cultori del politically correct, ma su Hot Air potete vedere un video di Brian Ross (di ABC News, non certo un covo di reazionari) che, intervistato da Bill O’Reilly, svela come la tecnica del waterboarding (i dettagli…
September 21st, 2006 at 11:04 amI heard someone say{this person is against the war and doesnt like Bush} that torture is unreliable as a way to get information from the enemy and that they will say anything to get the torture to stop. They compared this also to what the police do to criminals to get confessions from them.
Yet they say not a friggin peep when i mention what Saddam was doing to his OWN people for decades. Or what the Pol Pot regime did to its OWN people for years. What about Castro every day for 40 years now? Nadda. Nyet. This person knows nothing of that. Strange isnt it, how the mind of the Left works.
Now, if you truly want to get info from the enemy fast and also make the Left have heart attacks, try this one. Tie the guy to a chair in a sitting posistion. Than take a gun, small caliber please. Than shoot him in the foot, either one will do. Now ask him what you want to know. If he refuses, shoot his other foot. If he continues to answer you work youre way up to the knee caps, one at a time, and than you take it from there anyway youd like, but i would say to go to the hands next, elbows, than the shoulders. Nothing truly fatal but the pain should be agonizing. Thats why i say use the small caliber so the enemy doesnt die from massive wounds and shock.
Old Mafia way of getting info in case youre wondering.
Oh, and OT, i was reading a NY Post the other nite at work, reading the editorial section where people send in letters, well it seems that many more Americans are waking up to the duplicity of Islam. ALL the letters agreed with what the Pope had originally said about Islam having been spread by violence and sword and that they see that the Pope was 100$ correct after seeing how Muslims reacted-with violence and killings.
So there is hope that the great majority of Americans will wake up to the two mouths that Islam speaks with and the hypocrisy that they spew.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:00 pmFuck them, it works. Win and worry about cleaning up the mess afterwards.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:06 pmJust fer shits and giggles, did anyone besides me watch “The Manchurian candidate”?
Just askin’, is all…
September 21st, 2006 at 1:17 pmI propose an amendment to that: BAD bagpipe music. Nothing is more torturous than someone who can’t play the bagpipes yet tries to outside the privacy of his own home…except Barbra Striesand’s “singing”.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:19 pmIf the choice in 08 is either mccain or billary, I’m voting for billary. Yes, I said it. mccain is as vile as swinging dick klintoon and I will not vote for him. I despise the klintoons, but at least they are consistent in their vileness. mccain is a fucking carpetbagger, all smarmy smiles and oozing diplomacy. He has played his “I was a POW” card once to often and its now tattered and torn. It seems that all the “military experience” in the government are turncoats and nothing but self serving bastards: murtha, clark, powell, kerry, mccain. None of them have 1 ounce of integrity. I will hold my nose in 08 if I have too. I will not vote for mccain. :annoyed_tb:
September 21st, 2006 at 1:42 pmI propose Bagpipes playing polka, say, “Roll Out the Barrel” with Steisand singing. :shock_ee:
September 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pmLC Theresa (#20) makes an interesting comment, a quite understandable comment regarding McCain…
I know I’ll vote for almost anyone else EXCEPT a member of the party of the Seditious & Sleazy or McCain (is there really a difference?) when November of 2008 rolls around…
I wished I knew what Ken Mehlman (http://www.gop.com/About/Bio.aspx?id=3) thought about the idea of McCain being the possible Republican canidate…
FYI, Real Clear Politics Polling info is worth perusing today…
September 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pmBagpiping is not torture, nor is sleep deprivation, a cold room, or being grabbed by your shirt collar. Nor is being put in a dark room and forced to listen to heavy metal (though rap and Britney Spears pass the line into torture).
September 21st, 2006 at 2:41 pmNo, torture is haggis, especially bad haggis. Screw the halal meals; give them haggis to eat, breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
ClimbingFreeman, make them watch a video of how its made first and then make them eat it. :jittery_tb:
September 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pmLet’s not forget that McCain was a Naval Aviator and enemy ace FOUR times over. While waiting to launch on the flight deck of the U.S.S. Forrestal, the A-4 he was sitting in launched a missle across the deck and detonated in the external fuel tank of another aircraft, seting off a fire that DESTROYED 21 aircraft, damaged 43 and cost the lives of 134 sailors.
September 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmY’all mean like this guy playin’ the pipes?
:shock_ee:
September 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmI was watching the History Channel a couple of nights ago and watched how they made Slim Jims…
If there is no video footage of haggis (a truly revolting load of swill!) being made, the video clip the History Channel showed would be good enough…:tongue2_tb:
I don’t think I’ve eaten a thing since then…
September 21st, 2006 at 3:13 pmSo does that mean that McCain has license to be a lying, hypocritical swine?
September 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pmjuandos, do you know they have vegetarian haggis? Its just as vile looking, but without the entrails. Nice. :tongue3_tb:
September 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pmWell one wonders how it can be haggis without the sheep innards… None the less you’ve given me yet another reason not to eat vegtables… :lol_tb:
September 21st, 2006 at 3:24 pmDementia isn’t always instantaneous and complete, sometimes it creeps by degrees over years, months, election cycles.
It doesn’t always hurt the victim as bad as it does the victim’s loved ones that can only watch.
I’m no loved one, but it sure hurts watchin’.
I just don’t believe that he can go through all what he did and come out with all his marbles tightly organized.
Had some doubts on his loyalties when he attacked my firearms, and then stifled our ability to voice our warnings.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:00 pmHow out-of-the-closet does he have to be for us to see which side he’s parkin’ his political ass on these days?
#19 Nanashi
September 21st, 2006 at 4:02 pmYou hit the nail right on the head. Bad bagpiping sounds like someone trying to fold a bobcat (can’t entirely take credit for the analogy-saw it in a comic strip in reference to someone’s singing).
#21 SoCalOilMan
Polka on the pipes with Streisand singing!!??? Go and wash your brain out with soap, young man!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,215040,00.html
September 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmBullshit warning! Let’s see the details! These fuckers are gonna try and ram something smelly through and go to recess!
Benedict Arnold was one of Washington’s best generals and a hero of many early battles, but he was still a traitorous piece of shit when he went over to the Brits.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:22 pmAh, Wil, ya beat me to it!
September 21st, 2006 at 4:26 pmAve, Imperator!
September 21st, 2006 at 4:44 pmBTW, how does one have one’s squeam gland removed? Is it an outpatient or inpatient procedure? More importantly, is it covered by most major health plans? Just wonderin’. Enquiring minds and all.
Well folks wouldn’t it be nice if the Bush administration and the three stooges (McCain, Warner, & Graham) took the advice of Thomas Sowell in his, “Suicidal Hand-Wringing“?
September 21st, 2006 at 5:13 pmIs the squeam gland what makes your asshole pucker when you open one of BC’s links? :shock_ee:
September 21st, 2006 at 5:14 pmJohn McAnus, Kill Yourself!…
I will never vote for McAnus. He’ll get my vote over my rotting, decapitated, dimembowled, dimembered, decomposing corpse.
Come to think of it, I guess I’ll be voting Democrat then, the Dead always vote Democrat.
……
September 21st, 2006 at 7:12 pmFor Juandos’, Cheapshot’s and Catherder’s clarification, I only mentioned McLame’s M.O.S. as a fighter pilot to set up the “ENEMY ACE” part. Ya gotta be a fighter pilot and shoot down 5 planes to become an “ace”. I wasn’t trying to bestow any honors on him or cut him any slack at all.
Just the opposite, I was making a case that he has been doing damage to this country that helps our enemies since way back.
The point was that he shot down 21 American aircraft without even leaving the deck. And that makes him a Vietnamese “ace” 4x over. He also took 43 other aircraft and an Aircraft Carrier out of service for quite a while. The resulting explosions and fire killed 134 sailors. And all in the space of a few hours.
The Vietnamese couldn’t have accomplished that on their best MONTH.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:29 pmSubvet - (#14) - I like the way you think. I’ve once or twice commented offhand to those, er, “individuals” who have dated (and married) my daughters that my firearms were never a danger to them. Now, a propane torch and time… that would be a whole different story…
And it’s simple: I don’t give a rats ass for McCain’s military record. He’s turned into a political pussy.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pmAbout those bagpipes… Us Celts stripped nekkid, painted our bodies blue, and ran screaming at the enemy to the skirl of the aolean pipes. /for our insurgent friends, that would be “interesting”
September 21st, 2006 at 11:27 pmAs Richard Marcinko has written, “The Marquis was a Queen, and he was Buried.”
And as Tony “The Ant” Spilotro has said, “Give me a blowtorch and a pair of visegrips and I can find out anything.”
September 21st, 2006 at 11:38 pmAlton Brown made haggis on a Good Eats episode one night. It was the “Oat Cuisine” episode. Kilt and all.
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Go an’ check it oot laddie, ‘er else ye’ll get the back o’ me hand….
Recipe:
1 sheep stomach
1 sheep liver
1 sheep heart
1 sheep tongue
1/2 pound suet, minced
3 medium onions, minced
1/2 pound dry oats, toasted
1 teaspoon kosher salt
1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
1 teaspoon dried ground herbs
Rinse the stomach thoroughly and soak overnight in cold salted water.
Rinse the liver, heart, and tongue. In a large pot of boiling, salted water, cook these parts over medium heat for 2 hours. Remove and mince. Remove any gristle or skin and discard.
In a large bowl, combine the minced liver, heart, tongue, suet, onions, and toasted oats. Season with salt, pepper, and dried herbs. Moisten with some of the cooking water so the mixture binds. Remove the stomach from the cold salted water and fill 2/3 with the mixture. Sew or tie the stomach closed. Use a turning fork to pierce the stomach several times. This will prevent the haggis from bursting.
In a large pot of boiling water, gently place the filled stomach, being careful not to splash. Cook over high heat for 3 hours.
Serve with mashed potatoes, if you serve it at all.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:00 amAnd in case your wondering, Suet is raw beef (or mutton) fat, especially the fat found around the loins and kidneys.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:03 amAnd in case you’re wondering, Suet is raw beef (or mutton) fat, especially the fat found around the loins and kidneys.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:04 amThird party candidate or BC.
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 amumm, You can hotwire info out of anybody, no special equipment other than a thick wire and a butane lighter.
Rush was taking about how tough the terrorists questioned were, he said that the one to last the longest only lasted about 5 minutes. And this was with the pussified “hard questioning” used today. Can you imagine how long one of them would last under the questioning tactics used by the Nazis, North Koreans, or Vietnamese? Not to mention some of the more fiendish thigs thought by the Marquise de Sade and his followers.
Read “120 Days of Sodom” to learn what a true master at torture does for fun, not even to illicit information.
Death to Islam, and
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 amtheir mediot stooges!
Duty, Honor, Country
(in THAT order)
Rowane
oops forgot the link to the 120 days
September 22nd, 2006 at 1:05 amObviously I started a controversy here:
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And so on. For starters, if I didn’t like piping, I wouldn’t have become a piper! :smile_wp: If there’s anything wrong with it, it would be that it’s hard on the ears at close range. Our (sometime) band’s pipe major was told he had perfect hearing–for a man in his 50s–& he wasn’t even 36! :ohmy_tb: I took to practicing with earplugs.
I was going to post relevant photos off my drive here, but the prospects appear dubious.
Then there’s that ready-made controversy over haggis. I know I’m not the only LC who likes the stuff….
September 22nd, 2006 at 3:24 amAnything to get away from the noise of those things. :jittery_tb:
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:27 amI have been entirely to flippant on this thread, even though I have to admit I do have a soft spot in hy heart for the bagpipes.
Anything short of a bullet through the brain is short of torture if it saves one American life.
McCain is history. Whatever his plan was, it’s imploding now and he will not be able to pull a bill clinton on us and get the nomiation by playing at being middle of the road, cause he ain’t.
September 22nd, 2006 at 4:37 amMoMinuteMan (#40) says: “For Juandos’, Cheapshot’s and Catherder’s clarification, I only mentioned McLame’s M.O.S. as a fighter pilot to set up the “ENEMY ACE” part. Ya gotta be a fighter pilot and shoot down 5 planes to become an “ace”. I wasn’t trying to bestow any honors on him or cut him any slack at all”
O.K. sir my bad and you have my apologies…
Regarding your posting on haggis… Well Yeeeeeaaccchh!… :tongue2_tb:
September 22nd, 2006 at 8:02 amYep, the only time I’d even consider eating this crap is in a survival situation. :tongue2_tb:
September 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 pmJohn “I Wish I Were a Moralistic, Preening Jackass…oh wait, I AM” McCain
John “I Wipe My Ass With the Constitution” McCain
John “You Don’t Have the Right To Critize Me” McCain
John “Screw Your Free Speech” McCain
John “Let’s Have a Little More ME Time” McCain
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September 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm:lol_tb:
Good one L.C. Rowane…
Personally I think I’d tackle the stuffing in a chair first… :lol_wp:
September 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmWhat ever happened to the good old pliers and blowtorch? I would do anything to keep an American soldier from being tortured to death.
September 22nd, 2006 at 10:25 pm