Comment by LC Gunsniper

As much as I hate to say it, we might as well let the Commiecrats have their way. Taking our soldiers out of harms way is at least a smidge better than making them fight but not allowing them to win.

Comment by MCPO Airdale

I’m holding my nose and voting Republican. I haven’t sent the RNC any money since El Presidente’s “comprehensive” plan to turn over the country to the messicans. I have given money to Santorum.

Comment by bigdicksplace

You’re now asking the troops to pick their poison. More technically correct, for which poison you should pick.
It’s now time to clean house and start over.

Comment by thepresenceusmc

Honestly, I don’t know. For example, I get to pick between Santorum (Mr. “I brought home the pork for PA”) and Casey (Mr. “My dad was pro-life, and I might be, too.”) I dig the tax cuts, but the spending is off the charts, and with spending like that, we’re doomed, “strong” economy or not.

On the war front, the “Pendleton 8″ miscarriage of justice boils my blood, and Fallujah isn’t a parking lot as it should be. If I voted today, I don’t know who I’d vote for. Another month like this last one, and it might take a vote to ‘86 the RINO’s to assuage the conscience.

Comment by Nastimann

The repuglicans suck. Big time. The problem is, the dhimmicrats suck worse. Can you really imagine Nancy Pelosi in charge? Hairily Cliton?

The real problem is, the RINOs think they need to cater to the centrists and undecideds. They know the conservative base has nowhere else to go. Sure, we could cut off our noses to spice our faces, but what good would that do, really?

Comment by Machiavelli

Talk about bad Republicans…you ought to be from Ohio.

First, Governor Taft. A weenie Republican, raised taxes and pretty much acted like a Democrat.

Senator Dewine. Remember him, part of the weenie pact that backed down on judicial nomination. Additionally, he supported the amnesty for ILLEGALS, rather than building a fence to keep the ILLEGALS out. Pretty much acted like a Democrat.

Senator Voinovich. Crying on the Senate floor because Bolton was a mean man. Another one who acts like a Democrat.

My question is, if you aren’t going to act like a Conservative and a Republican, and you act like and vote like a Democrat, then shouldn’t I just vote for a Democrat?

Comment by Machiavelli

One other thing, at some point, I think there will be the emergence of a Conservative party. Which, I think would be successful, being that most Americans are conservative creatures by nature and conservatism, imho, is pretty much the American mainstream.

Comment by thepresenceusmc

Do you really want to see those spoiled, vicious little brats in the Party of Evil running Congress? Impeachment proceedings will be the least of it.

They’ll do their level best to shut down the bloggers and conservative talk radio (”Fairness Doctrine” and “campaign finance reform,” anyone?). They’ll make sure that what little of the mainstream media that doesn’t already toe the party line keeps silent, as the Donks did with threats to pull the broadcast licenses of Sinclair Broadcasting over the “Stolen Valor” program, and ABC over “The Path to 9/11.” And they’ll basically make it a crime to disagree with them…actually, they’ve done a pretty good job of that already even as the minority party.

If you’re making a case for a return to Constitutional government in a manner that will be hurried, forceful, and will ruffle some feathers, you’ve made a strong case. Else, as you pointed out quite correctly, the socialistas will continue to get their way, minority party or not.

Comment by AyUaxe

Screw both parties–both are just scum-enabling, self-perpetuating cesspools. I’ll vote for whomever I think will stay the hell out of my way the most. Frankly, I’m so disgusted with the entire U.S. culture, I could just spit. We’ve got people molesting and planning to molest school girls and God help us, executing children, congress-cretins sexin’ it up with boys a year older than my son, and their peers obstructing justice to let it continue. It’s clearer and clearer that we’ve got to take care of our own. We can try to vote in people of good moral fiber, try to ferret out and suppress the scum wherever possible, but right now, who’s in some “position” in D.C. is about as important to me as noticing where my corgi last took a dump. I’ll pay enough attention to step over it, but it’s just little crap to be avoided or scraped off our shoes anyway–same as the feds.

Comment by Mutaman

“Alito and Roberts? Tax cuts? That is all that comes to mind at the moment. ”

In other words, I support the war, I just don’t want to pay for it.

Comment by flesh99

Screw both parties–both are just scum-enabling, self-perpetuating cesspools. I’ll vote for whomever I think will stay the hell out of my way the most.

In theory a good idea but in practice you may simply insure you get someone who won’t stay out of your way at all. As much as it sucks we are stuck with a two party system at the federal level for now. Unless you live where one canidate is assured to win a vote for a third party is, in essence, a vote for the party that least resembles that canidate’s views.

Frankly, I’m so disgusted with the entire U.S. culture, I could just spit.

And pray tell where do you find better culture? This is starting to seem like a Merle Haggard moment to me.

We’ve got people molesting and planning to molest school girls and God help us, executing children, congress-cretins sexin’ it up with boys a year older than my son, and their peers obstructing justice to let it continue.

The first part of your statement has nothing to do with government at all. How do you prevent something like that from happening at a government level without being a complete nanny state? You don’t! As sick as that bastard was it is one of the risks of a free society and I certainly hope you are not suggesting we live under any other kind of society. As for the cover up…you mean the people calling for an investigation and giving every piece of information they come across to all the right people? Or the people who apparently held onto the information waiting for the right time to damage the pervert?

It’s clearer and clearer that we’ve got to take care of our own. We can try to vote in people of good moral fiber, try to ferret out and suppress the scum wherever possible, but right now, who’s in some “position” in D.C. is about as important to me as noticing where my corgi last took a dump. I’ll pay enough attention to step over it, but it’s just little crap to be avoided or scraped off our shoes anyway–same as the feds.

Paying attention is exactly what we need to be doing. Voting is our only method of changing things at present time. If we ignore Washington we will be in an even bigger mess that we are now. It would be as if your corgi turned into an elephant overnight.

Suck it up and vote repub unless you are in an area where a dem is gauranteed the win then vote third party to insure they have a better chance next time. It’s the little whittling away we need be concerned with. We are not going to effect massive change overnight. We must carefully choose when and where we try to make change or else we shoot ourselves in the foot. If you cannot vote for then vote against.

Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

I think a lot of people have said it very well. As bad as the retardicans are (and they currently look VERY bad), demonrats are worse. FAR worse.

As for a ‘viable’ third party, I don’t see one in this election. But if perhaps by some miracle the retardicans don’t shoot their own feet off but things continue to get worse through ‘07, then it’s possible one might emerge (or be formed) in time for ‘08… maybe.

As for your question about how your brothers-in-arms feel, this post at barking moonbat might give some clue. Not a definative answer of course. But perhaps something to chew on.

RH

Comment by Lady Heather

Let’s let our heads rule, not our emotions.

Please.

Comment by franksalterego

No One, I repeat, NO ONE is more DISillusioned and DISenchanted with this Congress than I am.

But, walking away from doing YOUR duty at the polls, would be akin to a Soldier walking away from HIS duty…It would be an insult to HIM.

You want to punish the whole Republican Party, because of the actions of a few idiots…That’s throwing the baby out with the bathwater. (pardon the old cliche)

You think, the Dems can do a better job?…We’ve seen ‘em in action, for the last 6 years…They’re ALL idiots.

Gedda’ Grip

Comment by RedSonjaHQ

I must agree with Lady Heather and some others.

Even if this looks like a choice between mice and rats, let us remember that no one ever improved things by exchanging mice for rats.

It is easy to feel betrayed when some fence-mending Republican mushmouth tries to cater to the so-called “centrists” and “moderates” who get their politics from sound bites, newspaper headlines, and damned little else. The trouble is that there are so MANY of these clueless brickheads. Any world beyond Blockbuster, Monday night football, beach trips, kiddie soccer, Top Forty, March madness, Bud, and cousin Sammy’s weekend barbecue is more world than they want to deal with, for more than five minutes at a time anyway.

But they themselves must be dealt with by anyone who wants to win an election. No one can win an election with his hard-core faithful alone, unless you’re lucky enough to have hardly anyone else in your district, like certain urban Representatives–or well-heeled enough to have bought or bribed your necessary constituency, like certain Northeastern Senators I could mention.

Of course it is an unpalatable choice. Of course it looks like cutting cards with the devil. But just remember, the real devils are waiting in the wings, hoping and praying that we’re disgusted enough to open the doors to them.

:ponder_tb:

Comment by workinwifdakids

Every time I think of voting, it makes me want to cry and spit. I’ve voted in every election since my 18th birthday, and for some reason I can’t think of a single reason to vote. I live in California. Knowing that there isn’t the most remote chance of anything or anyone I vote for to count, I think I may just go to the range. We need someone, ANYONE, to stand up and represent us. Perhaps not in my lifetime…

Comment by LindaSoG

I dunno Misha, I’m having a real hard time about this too.

This Administration has put Home Security secondary to building relationships with terrorist nations.

I live about 20 miles from the Port of Miami. The Deputy Director of The Port of Miami is Khalid Salahuddin, a former member of the Nation of Islam, and a current member of the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA is an organization that serves as “an umbrella group” for hundreds of Islamic organizations in North America, some of which promote the Islamic fundamentalist doctrine of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

Salahuddin is featured on a video distributed by ISNA along with Maulana Shafayat Mohamed, the spiritual leader of Darul Aloom, the Islamic center where “dirty bomber” Jose Padilla worshipped and where Imran Mandhai and Mossa Jokhan are said to have plotted attacks on a National Guard armory and South Florida electrical power stations.

This radical Islamist, who openly supports terrorism, is the Deputy Director of the Port of Miami. Care to guess who backs him up?

The Dubai ports deal is out of the newspapers, but Dubai World Ports is in charge of the Port of Miami. That’s right, Dubai, a country whose crown prince went hunting with Osama bin Laden six months after he bombed the United States Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, in August of 1998. Over 220 people were killed and 4000 wounded in these attacks. Al Qaeda uses Dubai for money laundering. At least one Dubai-based company owned by the Iranian government has been used by Tehran’s defense ministry to procure a key component needed for the production of nuclear weapons. The notorious AQ Khan smuggled nuclear bomb making plans and equipment out of Pakistan, through the port of Dubai and into Iran and Libya.

Speaking of Pakistan, well, Pakistan is the world’s second-largest Muslim country and is considered by this Administration to be our ally. Yet, Pakistan has led the hyperproliferation of nuclear weapons technology; Pakistan is protecting bin Laden in Waziristan, Pakistan is the headquarters of al-Qaeda and the Taliban; Pakistan recently released thousands of al-Qaeda terrorists, Pakistan gives al-Qaeda money and Pakistan has signed an agreement granting al-Qaeda terrorists sanctuary.

With allies like that, who needs enemies?

Let’s talk about CSX Railway, a major freight carrier along the entire eastern seaboard of the United States. Did you know that Dubai Ports World bought the CSX railway? Well, they did. CSX serves Alabama, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, New York, Ohio, Ontario, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and West Virginia.

Terrorists are now privy to each and every security measure that this Country undertakes in our ports and our railways to keep us safe. Terrorists run our major ports and at least one major freight carrier railway. These are the same people who consider us the Great Satan, the same people who make daily calls for Death to America in their streets, their mosques, their schools and in their government run media.

Call me crazy but, with this kind of Home Security, I just don’t feel safe. Its just a matter of time before there is another major terrorist attack here in the United States, and it will be a direct result of these policies.

Would we be safer with the democrats? Of course not. But the blatant disregard for our safety that I see from both sides horrifies me. Our politicians, no matter which side of the fence they are on, do not seem to care. I don’t trust the democrats to maintain our security, and it seems obvious that I can’t trust the republicans to do so either. I can’t vote for one and I can’t vote for the other.

Comment by Lady Heather

Sire,

With all due respect, being a student of History, one has to learn from it.

I repeat again. We wanted to send a message to Pres. Bush 41 for going back on his promise to not raise taxes so we voted Ross Perot, or didn’t vote at all, and we got 8 years of Clinton-Gore.

Are we going to make the same mistake again? Can you imagine “House Speaker Pelosi” or Senate “Majority Leader” Reid? Do you want us to capitulate to the Islamists and socialists like Europe has done?

We can send back a majority Republican congress after November as a big “F**k you!” to the Murthas, Kennedys, the MSM, the Code Pinkos, et al by not letting this scandal taint our party as a whole.

They did it, and succeeded with Watergate and Vietnam. Are we going to let them “shame” us into not voting or voting Republican this time and “win” again?

Just think about the long term consequences long after this latest scandal is forgotten about. I see a nightmare. And if we withdraw our troops because we have a bunch of cowards in Congress who don’t want them to win, what does it tell our enemies? American lives will still be lost. Only not on the battlefield. Probably in a nuclear explosion in one of our big cities.

And I consider that a nightmare scenario.

Comment by Cheapshot911

I agree that the Republicans have made a lot of mistakes while in office, but look at the alternative! Do you want this country to look like Denmark? Germany? Or any of the other weak Islamofascist-loving countries in Europe?

I’m sure he doesn’t. I’d bet bodyparts on it.
My take is that we see the poet’s rage of the disgust of seeing a very real government deficit of men of mettle.
Couched in cathartic brimstone..

My money say’s he won’t be sipping tea, nodding blithely on any hollyweird chat show.

Comment by 1oldleg

Well it looks to me that the problem has been pretty much defined here tonight, guys and gals. The Senate Majority Leader gives aid and comfort to the enemy, and all I’m reading is collective teeth gnashing.

For every letter/phone call/e-mail/postcard/telegraph/or smoke signal a representative or senator receives, the staff who accounts for these missives assumes 10,000 fellow constituents believe the same thing or has the same opinion.

If we wait until November to express our displeasure, we lose the battle, not the war.

Are you pissed off enough to say something to the right people? Go to http://www.senate.gov, pull open the window in the upper right corner, find your state, select your senator, and tell them that grabbing ankle is not a preferred course of action at this time. Then, pull up Senator Frist’s email address, and in polite but direct language express your unhappiness with his opinion on how to end hostilities. I imagine this works for the House as well.

We need REPUBLICANS and CONSERVATIVES in Congress. We MAY NOT need THESE Republicans and conservatives in Congress.

Comment by Emperor Misha I

With all due respect, being a student of History, one has to learn from it.

Indeed. Which is why I’m quite troubled by having a government starting a war and then losing interest in actually winning it.

Last time that happened, we lost 55,000 very good, wonderful men, all so that the cowardly fucks in Washington could pretend to be fighting a war that they’d already decided to lose.

I would not trade the life on ONE American soldier for all of the 535 worthless sacks of flaccid skin in DC, as a matter of fact I’d gladly sacrifice the entire District of Columbia if it would bring ONE fallen soldier back.

It’d still be one heck of a deal.

Anyway, the thing is EXACTLY that I’m getting a nasty feeling of deja vu here, so I’m asking what others think, in particular those who are most directly affected by what goes down a month from now.

Comment by Lady Heather

Sire,

We “protest”, get a Dem controlled Congress, and we will get a military like the Clinton years.

If they’re treated like crap now, wait till the next Congressional budget under a Dem controlled Congress. Imagine the WOT being swept under the rug, as the Dems want to have happen, and instead get their infantile “revenge” on GWB (and avenging Clinton too in the process) by having impeachment hearings, and just generally encouraging divisiveness.

Consider the wars in A & I totally lost then, because you know damn well that party’s post 1968 record on National Defense.

Comment by Darth Bacon

There’s no excuse for not voting.

It’s our greatest priveledge, and our only real obligation in return for the miracle of Liberty.

Suck it up and vote Republican- what on earth could be worse that another Klintoon, or (Hashem Yishmor) another Dhimmi Khadr?

Comment by kuya_pat

Depends on if Frist is your Congressman or not:

If not you ain’t voting for him anymore then you are Kennedy.

If so then by all means vote.

Your Representative is arguably more important since while they may be spending like drunken sailors in a whorehouse but the only genuine conservatives (or the majority that do exist) exist there:

Simply go to http://www.house.gov or http://www.senate.gov and go down the list of issues:

Strong national defense or weak

Raising taxes or cutting them

Pro illegal immigration ala Bush and the Senate or against ie Tancredo and the House

Pro gun control ie Bush and the Senate (Which legislative body was supporting the ban and which was not)

Pro Gay Gestapo agenda or not ie see California

Judicial nominees that are originalists or the 9th Circuit (That’s the Senate but unlikely to lose that)

And so on.

Pick the top ten issues that concern you and vote aye or nay for your rep and / or senators based on that it’s not like you got a hell of a lot of sway based on any of the 535 clowns that you can’t vote for.

Frankly losing the Senate doesn’t bother me — the House does. The only legislation passed or proposed worth a damn from a conservative standpoint has been coming from there.

With regards to Bush he’s done his job from a national security and judicial nominee standpoint if the R’s want to be RINO’s in the Senate fine I can beat them in the House: the reverse is not true.

Thinking long term if the R’s are a bunch of Democrat lites till 2008 I don’t care since the Republic will survive and it would be interesting in a general election to see the D’s or RINOs beat a conservative — fat chance on illegal immigration, guns, taxes, gay agenda, abortion for birth control, federalism v socialism and last but not least the US Supreme Court getting shifted way to originalism (look atliberal judges ages)and further inroads in the judiciary.

Basic mathematics — 2 more years of RINO BS and a shot at changing the US Supreme Court from 5-4 to 7-2 towards originalist thought for 20 - 30 years or not.

Comment by RobH

It’s all about PRINCIPLE, and standing by those principles.

Republicans/conservatives still HAVE them but whenever they get elected AND spend more than two terms in Washington, something bizarre happens - they end up “selling their souls” to maintain their position and power.

All the great posts above are true and honest - it is necessary to continue voting for Republicans but it’s ALSO necessary to HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE to their PRINCIPLES on what makes them Republicans in the first place - and if they don’t, or if they’ve been in office too long, then get RID of them.

And as a retired USN Commander with 20 years service and 4 years as a USNA midshipman (”beat Army!”) - I see no other alternatives and believe most current military believe the same thing - what is really NEEDED is for We The People to get THAT message across to the Republicans - to make sure they STICK TO THEIR PRINCIPLES and to also make sure that We The People are watching their EVERY move, their EVERY vote, and are HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO US.

Comment by Marvin

“never surrender while you have means to resist”

We can resist a Dhimmicrat Diaster by voting for Republicans - such as they are.

A Democrat will retreat from bloodshed. and the terrorists will again attack on our soil.

Arabs owning American railroads, that is a scary piece of business is business.

Comment by nerbygirl

“Which one is better: Hanging in there with the RINOs, knowing full well that they’ve lost faith in the mission (if they ever HAD any, I’m not so sure anymore) and are most likely just looking for a face-saving way of surrendering to the patie fucks, or just cutting our losses and skipping to the credits without wasting another soldier’s sacrifice on something that our “leaders”, the lily-livered REMF civilian fucks, aren’t going to fight for anyway?”

Dear Emperor:
I don’t know if I copied and pasted your quote correctly, but here goes….

I don’t believe that the Rinos have lost faith in the mission, they are just being beaten down, over and over by the Socialist, Peace at any Cost MSM. Yes, many Rhinos have bent over and grabbed their ankles for votes, but after they got up, they pulled up their pants and got back to the Mission. You just don’t hear about it. I do, from my husband who is in the middle of it all, and has had contact from many many Republicans who give their support. Why isn’t that big news? The Left has hijacked the press.

The soldiers are SICK of hearing this kind of whining from Americans. They see the weakness on CNN and Al Jizzizm (the only channels they can get for the most part). They want SUPPORT from us, not a bunch of drivel about Dubai ports(By the way, my husband says that Dubai, the only semi-Westernized country in the MidEast is the best friend we could have, in many ways acting as our “middle man”).

I have two soldiers that I correspond with through Soldiers Angels, and both guys have 20+ years in the Army. They want to hear “Keep up the good work, soldier”. They want to hear, “We’re proud of you, soldier”. They don’t want to hear all of this complaining about who said what in the fricking House or Senate. They DON’T CARE!!!! They want to know that Americans, whom they fight for, are watching their backs, not harping on every mistake they make. They have to deal–on a daily basis–with a culture and a people that are so foreign to them that they feel like they’re on Mars, and all they hear is complaints from the American public. Patience is a virtue, and we have none…

Just shut up about the stupid comments made by the boo hoo babies that we call Senators and Congressmen, and stand up for our SOLDIERS.
THEY don’t plan on losing this war, only WE plan on that.

I will never lose my faith in the soldiers who fight for me, and neither should any of you. Start thinking positive. Start showing a sense of hope.
I do every day.
Vote Republican or die.

Mistress Red

Comment by LC Rey

Sire, I care about one thing and one thing only, dead terrorists. Yes, invading mexicans are a problem. MS-13 is a problem. Congress spending like drunken Kennedys ( but I repeat myself) is a problem. Linguini spined RINOs (McCain, Specter, Snow, et al) are a problem. If this was 2000 I would not vote out of disgust. But guess what, right wrong or indifferent at least the Repugs pretend to want to kill terrorist. As long as they keep the troops in the field killing terrorists, all is good. Speaker Pelosi, Senate Majority Leader Reid and President Clinton would NOT kill terrorists. No dead terrorist and I get really angry. So, I send NO MONEY to the RNC. I send money to Irey, Santorum and all other CONSERVATIVE republicans directly. I support CONSERVATIVE challengers to RINOS and Demopukes alike. I consider all RINOS to be Dems, so I contribute to their challengers. November 7 I will vote for Van Taylor vs. Chet Edwards. I will vote against Nancy Pelosi and Jack Murtha, even if it wont be a vote FOR Hastert (Looser/wimp). I want dead terrorists.

Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

Misha; I’d like to remind you of something. I still remember the first day I found the Rott…sometime later I posted. BC welcomed me, as did others. Like all here for any length of time, I’ve taken my lumps, given and thrown a few punches. You are far and away the best troll killer I’ve ever seen. God knows I wouldn’t want you on my case. I found a home here, Misha, I’ve met fine people here…..but most of all, I found kindred spirits. People that will share, advise and counsel….or give me a friendly boot in the ass. But we stand for each other sire, be it moral, emotional or financial. When one is down the others close ranks and stand is his stead. For such is our way. I have been awed by what I have seen here…and remain very grateful to be a part of it, even if so little. But all of us matter, Misha, and count for something and share a belief stronger than almost any other…for in our case, the sum of the parts is indeed greater than the whole. And as long as I have people such as those here, I know it is not lost. And never will be as long as we breathe….I suspect, Sire, you are one such man….hang in there, Bro’!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Lady Heather

Y’all sear Machiavelli’s comment into your mind.

Great opinion, sir!

Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie

You know, one very dangerous assumption that this government is making, is that some of these National Guardsmen won’t someday decide that they’va had ENOUGH of this, and fire up a brigade of M1A1’s with full basic loads and go hunting. Only the fact that these are men and women of honor prevents that from happening.

But everyone has a breaking point.

Comment by jaybear

Lady H sez:

Mark L. made very good points on his radio show today.

Yeah, I heard his show….very good.

My suggestion to everyone here is to stay mad…focus that anger on the ones who exploit these scandals for their own gain. All at the expense of innocent interns and children, and don’t ever EVER forget that point.

They don’t care one whit about “morality” or “cleaning up the culture of corruption”. They only care about bending the news media to their will and fueling their dirty campaigns with these orchestrated scandals in order to garner votes. They could have brought light to this thing months ago, if they had any genuine concern about the pages or interns….but they want maximum punch with the release, they want maximum poll numbers…and they don’t give a damn who gets raped or abused or molested in the process.

Now if you want to sit at home, and not participate in this process because you hate the RINO’s (as I do)…then read this to see what’s in store for our heroes should traitors like charles rangel gain the power of calling budgetary shots. They will kill more of our troops through sheer neglect than our enemies ever will……

I’m not sure I could sleep at night knowing that I let the traitorous bastards, known as democrats, get control of our government because my anger at the GOP demanded that I make a “point” by not voting, or voting for third party candidates. I’ll vote GOP (and wince when I do so) because there are good men and women dying in shit holes like Afghanistan and Iraq to ensure that I keep that sometimes distasteful right to vote.

and I’ll vote because I owe it to every one of those great heroes…..big time

Comment by LC Jackboot IC/A-OBR

#57 Caveman my friend:

People that will share, advise and counsel….or give me a friendly boot in the ass. But we stand for each other sire, be it moral, emotional or financial. When one is down the others close ranks and stand is his stead. For such is our way. I have been awed by what I have seen here…and remain very grateful to be a part of it, even if so little. But all of us matter, Misha, and count for something and share a belief stronger than almost any other…for in our case, the sum of the parts is indeed greater than the whole.

You have it right and wrong, right in that all of us matter here. You know who your friends are in our little outpost of reason, logic and most importantly shared principles in a world seemingly melting down. You have it wrong considering yourself a little part of it. I have been watching you find yourself here, taking on the dirtbags in the world starting at home as it should be.

I’ve watched you find your way, spread your wings and fly.

You’ve found yourself, don’t ever think you are considered little here.

I can assure you on bealf of the mangement and loyal commeters here, you count equally as we all do.

See there’s a difference to be found here. We can snarl and nip at each other as a pack. Yet remain friends, brothers and sisters in a common goal, sharing core values.

Packs, while acting as individuals, stick with the group. Our detractors and enemies are herds, led around the wilderness with no guiding compass and no tolerance for individual disagreements, stay in the herd, don’t ask questions and wander about until smarter, organized packs slaughter you.

A subtle, yet crucial difference.

This little corner of the world is small, yet firm, reliable allies are with you. Don’t discount your contribution at all my friend. Stick around and we can weather the impending storm, somehow, some way. But we will prevail.

Thanks, Brother. Keep up the good fight. Regardless of the outcome, you DID make a difference. :clap_tb:

JB—-

Comment by Emperor Misha I

Well, let’s take a look at the scoreboard so far:

The “Hold Your Nosers” are enjoying a comfortable lead, I dare say and, much more, it is turning out to be an extremely good debate with much substance and precious little “booga, booga.”

Also, I’m glad to see that pretty much nobody misunderstood my question. It’s most emphatically NOT “is the war worth fighting?” It always was, always will be. At least in my opinion. I’M not going wobbly on the war or my support for the mission, it’ll be Winter Olympics time in Hell before that happens, but the thimblebrained gasbags in Washington obviously have.

The question was and remains “what’s the lesser of two evils? Continuing to vote for a bunch of spineless weasels and thus prolong a war that they have absolutely no intentions of winning, or just not giving a damn about them either way, thus risking the takeover of a different bunch of spineless weasels who at least are HONEST about not wanting to win, thus cutting our losses in the short run.”

It’s not an easy question, and I’ve had it with the constant ass-reamings from the RINO fucktards, so that’s why I find myself in one of those extremely rare and unfamiliar moments when I’m throwing my hands in the air, saying “who gives a fuck? Anybody out there who can give me one good reason why one is preferable over the other, because I’m frankly past caring?”

And obviously, I turn primarily to the ones with the most at stake, the ones who will be living with the most dangerous consequences of the outcome in November, the ones who I’ve always supported with every last fibre of my being, without reservation or question, the troops. And that’s nothing new, by the way. All along the way, since the MSM first started telling us about “quagmires”, “unwinnable wars” and “horrible casualties”, my philosophy has been this:

Those jackasses don’t have the first clue about what’s REALLY going on, so their opinions matter less to me than last month’s burrito. If those over THERE, on the other hand, start singing that tune, THEN I’ll listen. But as long as they’re on board, I’m on board too. Who would you ask about heart surgery? A cardiologist or the toothless panhandler on the corner?

Besides, our troops are doing one heck of a job and I’m damn proud of every single one of them. They deserve every ounce of our support and, as long as there’s breath in me, they’ll have mine.

Which is yet ANOTHER reason why I hate the lying, opportunist, gutless gimps in Washington with a purple passion, because THEY obviously don’t agree with that, no matter how much worthless, dishonest lip service they pay when they know somebody’s looking.

So that’s what it’s down to for me now: What do the troops want?

None of the other scare stories about Democrats in charge really touch me all that much.

1) Tax hikes?

Listen, I hate taxes as much as any of you, if not more, but I’ve lived in a country where the gummint grabbed 75% of everything I earned and I still somehow managed to not live in cardboard box in the nearest sewer, so it’d take one heck of a tax hike to make me fear for the future of humanity. No, I’m not saying that I won’t hate every second of it, because I will, I’m just saying that I know how to survive in a system like that.

2) Gun grabbing?

Come git ‘em, Demoscum. I’m sure you want to, you might even try and, heaven knows, you might even succeed, though I find that highly doubtful. 80 million pissed off gun owners is a force to be reckoned with, so even if you manage to pull it off, you’ll know you’ve been somewhere. Sure, they’ll come up with various and sundry irritating laws, and I will break every single motherfucking one of them, but I somehow don’t think that they feel up to going to the mattresses over the big one, the 2nd Amendment. They know only TOO well that they’d get their carcasses well-ventilated in a heartbeat.

3) Censoring free speech?

Hah! Oh, they’d LOVE to, I know that they would, but best of luck, particularly on Teh Intertubes. Not even the totalitarian Mullahs in Tehran have figured out how to pull that one off, so don’t tell me that you seriously believe that a bunch of effeminate pansy-asses in the Democrappic Party have come up with the solution.

No, what it all comes down to is this:

We have a choice between two parties that both have no idea about the true nature of the enemy that we’re facing and the war that we have to fight and even LESS interest in finding out and actually fighting it. They’d much rather get back to buggering interns and passing bribes and pork among each other.

Not a single motherfucking one of them I’d do anything to save from drowning, even though all I’d have to do would be to lift my foot off his head.

The ONLY difference is that ONE of them will at least pretend to keep the fight on.

So all I’m asking is “is that good enough for those of you who’ll have to do the fighting? Because if it’s good enough for YOU, then it’s good enough for me.”

And I’m beginning to have an idea of what the answer is, but please keep it rolling.

Comment by LindaSoG

The discussion has been most very excellent, and thank you Sir, for making it possible.

In 2001, I said I didn’t care if President Bush bankrupted this country to fight this war, I meant it then, and I still mean it. If we give up over there, our enemies will come here sure as the Good Lord made apples. Thank G-d for our Military and those who serve.

But I believe our enemies are here already, and plotting against us. And I believe their numbers are growing.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy nut, I also believe that there have been attempts and incidents. For example, a couple of years ago, they closed a concourse here at Miami International. People were getting violently sick. Eventually, they reported that it was the result of a cleaning fluid spill and it was only reported on the local news level. No big deal, until you find out that right about the same time, the same thing happened in Texas and the same reason was given. No big deal if you knew about one, but when you know about both, you wonder.

So, our ports are important and so are our railways. Immigration is critical, if we survive the islamic threat, our immigration policies will destroy this country in 50 years anyway.

Still, I have decided that on November 7th, I will go out and vote for republicans.

I will vote for the republicans who allow our enemy to control our ports and our railways. I will vote for republicans who continue to allow us to be overwhelmed by immigrants and who will give them amnesty and tax breaks. I will vote for republicans who make alliances with terrorists.

And while I do that, I will tell myself that the democrats would be worse for this country.

But what I really think is that the only difference between the two is that with the democrats, our worst nightmare will only happen faster.

And maybe thats good enough, if we have more time, maybe something will happen that will change our fate. I hope so.

And in the meantime, I guess I will load up on the ammo, maybe buy a new rifle, go to the range more and pray more.

Again, Thank you Emporer. It has been enlightening.

Comment by rightwingprof

Don’t vote, and hand the election to the Democrats. Don’t vote, and you lose any right to complain.

Not voting is irresponsible. Period. Only spoiled brats whine about how they’re not going to vote.

Comment by armybryan

Vote. The basic problem, namely the guys with the too tight turbans, hasn’t gone away. We will still have to fight them. I, for one would much rather do it over there than over here, even though it means leaving my family and friends for the 2nd out of three years, in my case, it is worth it. If the Demos get power, not only will they cut and run, they will then proceed to decimate the military through funding cuts, excessive regulation and “oversight” and sheer stupidity. So, as bad as it is, the other option is worse. Unless we can come up with another Reaganesque candidate, these are the choices we have.

Comment by 3FgBurner

I’m a Libertarian, wife’s a Republican. We’ll both probably wind up voting the same way. Got a Wolf (R-VA) sign in our yard at the moment. The more I look at Jethro (Allen) v Jim Webb, the more it looks like a Republican primary, rather than an R vs D general election. Webb favors national CHL and packs heat, himself. In Virginia, even our Democrats are better than some *coughOhio* *coughRhodeIsland* Republicans. I’m going to go split-ticket on this one. Even at that, it’s not the three- or four-way split tickets that I’ve voted in the past. Last year, I voted Independent, Republican, Democratic, and Libertarian in the same election.

Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

I remember driving home the night of the 04 Election when it was announced that W had won. I was in Kuwait, and I’m still here working in support of the troops and the WOT.

On VOA I heard Bush speaking, and I remember it clearly… he was answering a question from some hack…er I mean reporter..”I’ve been given a mandate by the people and I intend on following through on that mandate”

I remember thinking…Well hopefully the next 4 years are going to see some drastic turn arounds in D.C. and the Regan legacy of the GOP will finally clean the mess up inside the beltway…. we’ll keep kicking these assholes for allah asses all over the map until they figure out it’s not wise to fuck with uncle Sam……what a pipe dream eh??

Now in just the last two weeks I get told that Dubya signed a sneaky little bill that is going to DOUBLE the taxes I pay on income above a certain amount over here working in support of the same troops his ass sent over here,,,thanks Dubya your mandate was what again? .. I have a Major republican spouting off about hearts and minds and how we have to understand the jihadis that want to kill us, another one trying to play hide the salami with a congressional page, Mcain fighting for the rights of people bent on killing my countrymen Kickbacks, scandles…….WTFO?? Ronnie’s turning in his fucking grave right now thats for sure…

Not sure right now…I’m so disgusted with both sides of the aisle I am really not ready to vote for anyone. They are all a bunch of conving lying cock smoking snake oil salesmen…all of em…

I’ll go GOP only because no matter what the GOP is the lesser of the two assclowns..I get ill just thinking of San Fran Pelosi in charge of a freaking bake sale..but a major political force …thats enough for me to turn my freaking passport over to the Embassay, grab me a camel, wrap my head in a towel and say “LOOK!! Im a Bedioun” LOL …(Bediouns in Kuwait have no state, they are stateless nomads)

Comment by Cheapshot911

Can you imagine?
Our turnout will probably be shamed by that of the massive Iraqi result.
THEY ROCKED the Liberty Bell!

It’s not surprising to me that this anomaly of civilization (voting) would be so desperately embraced in a place where Dubya’s removing of the tyrant has unleashed such a profound reaction from folks who, after 30 years of brutal oppression, understand the blessed concept of individual freedom and would pursue it at such peril!

Big lesson there.

What do we have to experience to get that spirit here?
Never mind, ‘don’t wanna know.

Comment by MegaTroopX

Well, I know that Billy Blowjob was not the least of the reasons my dad retired at E-7 with 22 years, instead of E-8 with 26.

Further, I plan to go back into the Army once approved (within 3 mo). I’d rather not be dodging MadMos while the Demonratic Congress files its 87th motion to impeach Bush.

I really have no right to speak as one of the ones Misha called on for opinion, but that’s my piece as someone on the road back to it.