Oops! AlGore, Call Your Office. The News Ain’t Good.
Posted by: BC Imperial Torturer in Enviro-Loons, Junk Science, Lefty America-Haters1:08 am
Al “Conveniently Hand-picked Bits & Pieces of Climatological Data” Goron and his fellow Che’-kin Little EnviroLoons™ sure as Hell aren’t going to be happy with this bit of lovely news.
(Note: All emphasis mine—B.)
Dinosaurs had to cope with dramatic swings in the climate around 120 million years ago, with ocean surface temperatures changing by as much as 6 °C. …
Gottdammed Cretaceous SUV-driving dinosaurs! Look what they did to Mother Gaia™! If they’d have only listened to The Father of the Interwebtubes™!
… The finding suggests that natural climate variations are much more complex than previously thought.
Three words: “No”, “Shit” and “Sherlock”.
Simon Brassell from Indiana University, Bloomington, and colleagues examined telltale carbon compounds in fossilised bacteria. The proportion of these compounds varies with water temperature, and bacteria from different rock layers revealed that the ocean surface temperature went from around 30 °C to 36 °C in the space of 10,000 years (Geology, vol 34, p 833). …
You mean like it appears to be doing since the last Ice Age? Huh. Imagine that?
“The changes appear step-like, as if the climate is switching from one mode to another,” Brassell says.
Three words (Again): “No”, “Shit” and “Sherlock”.
Let the Wailing & Gnashing of Teeth™ amongst the KosTardian KoolAid Klownz™ begin. Mr. Brassell and his colleagues had better prepare to be hounded and disparaged by the slobbering, frothing Minions of Marx & Mao™ for their heresy against man-made Global Worming™ “Global Climate Change™”.
F.E.T.E.
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ROTFLMAO, The Supreme Goron must be rolling in his soon to be grave.
October 4th, 2006 at 1:19 amAnd nowhere is it mentioned that solar radiation is at the highest levels in 1000 years…or that CO2 was around 1000X more prevalent in the atmosphere back then than it is now.
October 4th, 2006 at 3:09 amI read an article about this in a magazine. It had lines like “And mankind may be about to cause the same thing to happen again” in it. :p
October 4th, 2006 at 3:43 amThere ya go, getting all logical and shit again…
October 4th, 2006 at 5:29 amCome on BC, you know that if they get pressed with this report, they’ll suddenly unearth a number of Kretaceous Kombustableengine Kars that caused all of those drastic changes in climate.
October 4th, 2006 at 5:59 amHe told them to sign the Kyoto Protocols with the mammals, they didn’t and look what happened.
:lol_tb:
Ahhh no worries, they’ll quickly find a new “we’re all gonna die” scenario to swindle us out of more taxpayer funded research, mebbe they can dust off the “Hole in the Ozone Layer” play, for another try.
October 4th, 2006 at 7:15 am[…] B.C. loads it up. Posted by Ian S. in […]
October 4th, 2006 at 7:46 amSomeone please answer this question–
October 4th, 2006 at 8:36 amHow did the dinosaurs clean up the bird after it landed in the tar pit if they didn’t have DAWN dishwashing liquid?
Looks like the dinosaurs had SUVs also…
Wow, it looks like the climate changes over time. What a discovery. I thought that it was always supposed to be the same until us evil humans came along and started warming up the place. I guess I was wrong,…
October 4th, 2006 at 8:51 amYou accuse Al Gore of “hand-picking” scientific data(of course without any example of this charge), and then you do exactly the same thing regarding Mr. Brassell’s statements. You conveniently omit Mr. Brassell’s conclusion:
“The action of humans now is one more perturbation to the system of climate change, but probably one that is much more significant than any other perturbation that can occur naturally,” Brassell said.
You also omitted other conclusions in the same article :
“Furthermore, the current episode of warming is taking place much more rapidly than previous shifts in climate. The natural changes in the concentration of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases on ancient Earth took place over thousands or millions of years, said Henk Brinkhuis, a paleoecologist at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.
“The thing about the current climate change,” he said, “is that humans invoke it by burning 2,000 gigatons of fossil fuels on a geologically very short timescale. This sets in motion a whole domino-effect of positive feedback processes that we don’t understand yet….In this case we are the cause of it, and the consequences are getting more clear everyday.”
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/09/dinosaurs_experienced_wild_shi.php
Talk about your hand-picking. Come on boys, Global warming is a fact, live with it. Less time on the range, more time in the library.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:00 amOk there, halfwit. His conclusion flies in the face of the facts he laid out.
Here’s a little graph for you, buddy. The guy talks about climate change in prehistoric times being at a 6 deg. C span, from 30-36. That graph right there shows you that we haven’t even traversed 2 degrees Celsius since the “Little Ice Age.”
This is a classic case of a scientist making conclusions based on his own beliefs rather than the facts he himself has laid out. Yes, human consumption of fossil fuels is a variable, but the problem is that he just got done saying that the overall temperature change without that variable present was 3x the change we’ve seen in the last 400 years.
This is the problem with modern “science.” The outcome is predetermined before a single factual result is logged; the NSF, NIH, and all these other BS organizations won’t give a professor funding unless they show some significant reason why the research should be funded.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:26 amTalk about hand picking you say?
1) The “more rapidly” was NOT in the article he linked to. It might have been in ANOTHER article, but it wasn’t in that one.
2) The “invoke it” is utter crap. When a volcano puts out more pollution in an hour than we do in a year, and MULTIPLE volcanos go off EVERY single year, there is NO WAY IN HELL we have ANY effect on it.
Talk about your hand-picking. Come on boys, Global warming is alarmist propaganda and utter crap, live with it. Less time with your head up your arse, more time on the range.
RH
October 4th, 2006 at 9:31 amHeh, what Mutaman said. Great source-checking skills, as usual.
Keep reading only those reports that confirm your beliefs - that’s makes you more logical.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:41 amI agree, Mutaman.
Internal Combustion engine pollution must be dealt with now or the planet will instantly heat up or freeze over or do both at once.
We must begin a crash program to replace all current autos with Nuclear Powered SUVs. It’s for the children, and will break dependence on mid-east oil at the same time.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:44 amAll right. Whether or not we’re the main cause of what appears to be a shift in the mean temperature of the planet, I think we should all agree that this doesn’t absolve us of the responsibility to put less shit into the air, soil, and water. We can argue the science until the Muslims stop seething, but we should all be able to agree that pollution, overfishing, &c are Bad Things. We’re supposed to be stewards of this planet. From where I’m sitting, we could be doing better. Not that we’re doing nothing, but we could do better.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:55 amI swear, it’s like some people cannot do math at all.
LC + IB Gutshot, the only reason you can address somebody else as ‘halfwit’ is if you are a quarterwit yourself.
If you would even have 1 degree increase in 500 years, that would make 20 degrees in 10k years (which is the period the article refers to). That’s somewhat more drastic that 6 degrees, isn’t it?
PS. Don’t misquote me please - I’m not saying the temperature increase trend will continue in the same vein for next 10000 years.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:01 amI have to concede to mutaman, global warming is a crisis that needs to be dealt with. So here’s my solution:
Break our dependancy on middle east oil by producing biofuels out of our crops. This will accomplish two things, it’ll reduce greenhouse emissions by replacing oil with cleaner burning fuel….and there will be no more vegans to bray about global warming as they will have been starved into extinction (crops = fuel, not tofu)
mutaman?
less time listening to npr, more time reading the posts here at the Rott.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:22 amJust remember that there was a time when we believed that the earth was the center of the solar system, too.
Looks like human nature doesn’t change a whole lot.
I stand somewhere between the two. Do I see real scientific evidence that it is happening? No, not having read both links involved. Do I want it to happen? No. Am I willing to take steps to make sure that it doesn’t? Definitely.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:26 amWhat, nobody liked my parody of his egotistical and assinine concluding line?
Even IF he was 100% right his line was still arrogant and idiotic, and I had to rewrite that a few times to come up with a good parody…
RH
October 4th, 2006 at 10:46 amBack about thirty years ago I knew this guy in Tampa Florida who was gonna get rich selling winter coats to Floridians because he believed the crap about the global cooling. Same sumbitch now wants to buy a lot of boats because he thinks that since Florida is gonna be under water from the melting ice he can sell them to the people leaving the area.
The way I look at it global warming is a good thing..the more water we got the more fish we can get and what the hell..if it is all water I’ll just live on a boat.
October 4th, 2006 at 10:59 amOK, so tell me how sensitive the prediction methods are for temperatures lodged over a million years ago. Can they tell scientists that there were never dramatic shifts in the climate of the planet over the course of 5 years? 10 years?
October 4th, 2006 at 11:01 amCrikey! Even my two college professor, liberal (is that redundent?) friends agree that human-caused climate change is bullshit! According to them, it’s ALL about the grants.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:31 amA whole domino-effect of positive feedback processes that you yourself admit to not understanding, yet whatever conclusions you draw are to be taken as established fact, not to be doubted?
Right.
We’re not as stupid as you look, egghead.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:34 amI find this whole arguemnt on “climate change” to be a waste of time, NOT A SINGLE PERSON can claim they know how things will turn out. Nobody. We are not all knowing.
The best we have is a bunch of guesses from people who got paid to come up with guesses for other people who have agendas.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:50 amAw, dammit…
Here I was, all set to launch a salvo on how “conclusions” based on nonlinear, complex processes you don’t understand are called “bullshit” and I’ve been beaten to the punch.
Hmph.
Has anyone else noticed that the greatest accomplishment of Chief Shaman of the latest cargo cult science is to have defeated ManBearPig? Strangely appropriate.
(Sooner or later, you’ll have to take him serial…)
October 4th, 2006 at 12:43 pmHere is the lowdown on global warming from my humble point-of-view:
Point #1: Not Enough Data
Accurate thermometers are a rather new invention, one can only claim accurate historical thermal data for the last 50 years… if even that. So when it comes right down to it, scientists are guessing about thousands, tens of thousands, even millions of years of climate change of 50 years of data. That’s only a hair up from claiming to know the future based on Tarot cards. Not to mention they try and glean historical thermal data and claim a similar level of accuracy.
Point #2: Ice Ages and Warm Ages
Natural climate change is a fact. Take the Scandanavians for instance. You don’t think germanic peoples just decided one day around 1000 BC “Hey, lets all wander into a winter wasteland.” According to history, there were times when Norway and Sweden were very habitable and pleasing. Only later did this warm period give way to a cold spell lasting most of middle ages and into the modern age. So local climates are subject to radical change in periods of only a millenium through entirely natural processes. Conversely, even according to evidence put out by the scientific community, the whole planet has been getting warmer on average since the last age. So unless the evil conservative SUV driving Bush worshippers have time machines for their pollutants, we are in the midst of a warming period anyway.
Point #3: Follow the Money
Fear is a great motivator for the intelligence declined. People are always willing to throw money at some mystical threat that’s touted about by a Soothsayer or Astrologer… or even a wanna-be President who invented the internet. Accordingly, huge grants are given to scientists who put out pieces that conclude global warming will destroy the world because of the evil burrito farts wafting from Mexico City combine with the horrid clouds of time-travelling pollutants from your SUV. So there is considerable self-interest involved in siding against Skeptics. While some companies, particularly oil companies, try to fund research for Skeptics… this immediately discredits any of their findings or thoughts on the matter almost immediately (although it is ironic the funding sources of Advocates are not similarly considered suspect). So only one side gets air-time, and ultimately government and university funding trumps even the massive bulk of the oil and auto industry. That is, incidently, an alarming thought… that out government is that large as to make an exxon a veritable flea-speck by comparison.
Point #4: Media Interest
The Media has a vested self interest in selling the most insane, over-the-top, news story possible. I mean which headline is more attractive? “Crazy Scientists Cannot Prove Theory,” or “Global Warming: The Earth is Doomed, Reputable Scientists Say.” So almost all media coverage is on the “Earth is doomed” side of things. Extended media coverage lends the thing an aura of truth regardless of factual accuracy, which ultimately results, ironically, in more funds being diverted to scientists willing to claim Global Warming as a fact. The only positive feedback loop here is media ‘professionals’ lending more credibility to a theory which, in turn, sells more newspapers, movie scripts, TV ads and the like.
So I am a Skeptic. Maybe there is a such thing as Global Warming, but the fact remains we have too little data to make any sort of accurate conclusion and this topic is too politically charged to be truthfully represented in any case. So until this situation changes, I’m going to continue driving my F-150 of doom and enjoy Cajun food, burritos and pepperoni pizza. I suggest you do the same… your economy needs you… it doesn’t need some politically motivated credit from another mess of international insanity we refer to as the Kyoto Accords.
October 4th, 2006 at 12:51 pmNonsense.
It’s warmer than it’s been for a thousand years.
(Or was that a million?)
Fortunately, the same sources tell us it’s caused primarily by human activity, so it should be something we can fix with hybrids and wind power.
(It gets kind of complicated sometimes…)
October 4th, 2006 at 1:59 pmDamned fine comment Xealot! Excellent in fact…
The problem the New Scientist (as in facts seemingly mean nothing) mag-rag is now facing is the fact that they’ve been carrying the water for global warming and the IPCC (massive flaws and all) crowd for several years now and its not looking like it was a good thing to do…
Then again when you have you have a big, bad bully like Sen. Inhofe beating that poor, little girlie man Miles O’Brien off CNN over the head with the facts maybe the folks at New Scientist are getting nervous… :thumbup_tb:
October 4th, 2006 at 2:05 pmFucking dinosaurs, wrecking the planet. Kill them all!
October 4th, 2006 at 2:35 pmDonning aluminum foil beanie…
I know! The Answer has been given by VP Gore, who stated that a major cause of global warming was smoking.
Gary Larson’s “The Real Reason why Dinosaurs became extinct” Far Side masterpiece showing dinosaurs smoking must depict truth!
Smoking! It caused the prehistoric global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs, now it is primed to do the same thing to us humans!
Beware! Beware!
Removing aluminum foil beanie…
October 4th, 2006 at 2:51 pmMheh.
(But still better than most “climate science.”)
October 4th, 2006 at 3:19 pmSo, are we the ones causing MARS to warm up, too?
Just askin’, ’s all.
October 4th, 2006 at 4:26 pmNo, it’s the martian’s and their SUVs… or is it mars rovers? But wait, what about those evil jupitarians? Maybe they have SUVs? But how do you drive them on a gas giant?
Maybe they just have flying cars there instead. Probably even more polluting, it would have to be, after all, Jupiter is a bigger planet, so they have to do more damage to get the same effect.
And if you buy that I’ve got some nice oceanfront property in Iowa I’d like to sell you.
RH
October 4th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI can give you a good price on that, well, just as soon as the icecaps finish melting… :lol_tb:
October 4th, 2006 at 5:30 pmMutaman, where are all those Killer ‘Canes™ that should have been spawned by the Linear Temperature Rise predicted by your Doom & Gloom Global Worming Grant Gobblers™? According to the Hysterically Hyperbolic Hypothesis™ put forth by your Gods of Global Worming Grant Grubbing™, EVERY SINGLE YEAR should be spawning MORE and BIGGER hurricanes, due to the never-ending, ever-increasingly rapid warming of the Earth.
If A + B = C, then B + A MUST = C.
If, when you re-run your equation and B + A DOESN’T = C, then your entire hypothesis of A + B = C is WRONG.
Thanks for playing.
October 4th, 2006 at 8:14 pm