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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Supporting Mass Murder With YOUR Tax Money

Whereas Rep. Barney Frank is quite clearly talking out his flabby arse when he accuses the President of being directly involved in genocide, it’s also pathetically clear that President Spineless is not at all opposed to funding it. With your money. (Link thanks to LC Apollyon).

WASHINGTON - President Bush is asking Congress to provide $83 million for security forces loyal to Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, as the U.S. tries bolstering him for prospective peacemaking with Israel.

Bush has told Congress he would like Abbas’ forces to receive the aid, which would be for training, uniforms, vehicles and other support, a senior U.S. official said Friday.

Yes, that would be the same Abbas Abu Mazen whose Fatah and al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades have been murdering Israeli civilians ever since they were founded.

So the next time you see a picture in the news of shredded Joooish women and children, feel free to add the superimposed caption:

“THESE JOOOS MURDERED COURTESY OF GEORGE W BUSH AND YOUR 1040.”

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?

85 Responses to “Supporting Mass Murder With YOUR Tax Money”
  1. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun UNITED STATES

    I’m not opposed to funding Abbas and Fatah, as long as we’re careful not to provide too much more aid than we do to Hamas. Don’t want one side to get too far ahead, then the fireworks might stop.

    I doubt this is what the spineless, statist George W. Rockefeller has in mind, however.

  2. thepresenceusmc Comment by thepresenceusmc UNITED STATES

    It’s time for us to stop people from funding terrorists! Wait…isn’t that what the Patriot Act was supposed to do?

    What good is keeping individuals from funding terrorists if our tax dollars are still being spent by Condi, W, and Co. to bankroll Muzzy violence?!

  3. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    You know, your majesty, sometimes you can be about as bad as the lamestream media:

    The administration wants to make sure the U.S. assistance does not fall into the hands of Hamas, the radical group that now runs most of the Palestinian government and is vying with Abbas for overall control. The United States is boycotting Hamas, which it considers a sponsor of terror against Israel.

    That little tidbit of information is just a few paragraphs down below the part you quoted, though to enhance your credibility I’m sure you probably didn’t want anyone to bother reading down that far.

    Forgive me, your highness, but as an American I have no respect for monarchs or those who pretend to be monarchs, so I unfortunately lack the deference to prevent me from saying this: make up your fracking mind as to whether you support President Bush or not. He’s no milquetoast, he’s no spineless coward–he’s one of the most courageous, disciplined, and honorable men to ever inhabit the White House. He has his faults, sure, but he doesn’t deserve for you to treat him with the utter contempt you constantly throw at him, treating him as if he’s some kind of left-wing liberal democrat while at the same time bitching about real left-wing liberal Democrats who don’t support him and his policies. In the things that you say and the way you deliberately mislead people who visit your site, you’re as bad as they are.

    Just because Bush isn’t the trigger-happy, cold-blooded racist you’d like him to be doesn’t mean he’s not a great president. Ronald Reagan engaged in diplomacy with some not-so-savory people (including Osama bin Ladin) too in order to prevent even less savory people from doing it first, and I don’t hear you tossing this kind of ridiculous vitriol at him.

  4. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Forgive me, your highness, but as an American I have no respect for monarchs or those who pretend to be monarchs

    That’s okay.  As a monarch, I have no respect for assholes or those who spew methane like assholes.

  5. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    The administration wants to make sure the U.S. assistance does not fall into the hands of Hamas, the radical group that now runs most of the Palestinian government and is vying with Abbas for overall control. The United States is boycotting Hamas, which it considers a sponsor of terror against Israel.

    Oh, I guess it’s alright then. After all, the sponsor of terror against Israel, Fatah, controlled by Abu Mazen, isn’t anywhere near as bad as the sponsor of terror against Israel, Hamas.

    That little tidbit of information is just a few paragraphs down below the part you quoted, though to enhance your credibility I’m sure you probably didn’t want anyone to bother reading down that far.

    I’m amazed that you could read down that far. But why on Earth would I want to hide the fact that Bush isn’t merely a terror-supporting coward, but a terror-supporting hypocritical coward?

    So killing Jooos is alright as long as it’s the right group of terrorists doing the killing?

    Gotcha.

    make up your fracking mind as to whether you support President Bush or not.

    Why?

    I don’t particularly like the taste of Kool-Aid so I, unlike you, am perfectly capable of holding two or more different views at the same time.

    I have no problem with supporting some policies of Bush’s (or those of any other politician) while remaining firmly against some of his other policies.

    You see, to me support is not an “all or nothing” affair. I know that might be a foreign concept to you, but some of us actually hold that the very same person can be good on some areas while, at the same time, being a complete and frakkin’ moron on others.

    I don’t belong to the flock of sheep that believe that you have to swallow every single damn thing that somebody says in order to be supportive of any of it.

    Baaaaah…

    Now go get sheared. I’m done with you.

  6. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    The administration wants to make sure the U.S. assistance does not fall into the hands of Hamas, the radical group that now runs most of the Palestinian government and is vying with Abbas for overall control. The United States is boycotting Hamas, which it considers a sponsor of terror against Israel.

    Oh, I guess it’s alright then. After all, the sponsor of terror against Israel, Fatah, controlled by Abu Mazen, isn’t anywhere near as bad as the sponsor of terror against Israel, Hamas.

    What exactly is it that you would have the Bush Administration do, your majesty? Another regime change, perhaps, since it’s worked so well in Iraq? Or maybe they could just wipe the Palestinian people off the face of the Earth. Yeah, that’ll do WONDERS for America’s image around the world.

    Sometimes, you have to side with people you don’t like in order to fight against people you like even less. That isn’t hypocrisy, it’s called realpolitik (look it up, so you can learn how to pronounce it as well as understand the concept). It’s how we won the Cold War, and it’s the only practical way to win the War on Terror too.

    Why?

    I don’t particularly like the taste of Kool-Aid so I, unlike you, am perfectly capable of holding two or more different views at the same time.

    Good, I’m glad to know that you and John Kerry have at least one thing in common.

    Don’t call me a kool-aid drinker just because I still support the President even after the vast majority of turncoat, fairweather conservatives such as yourself turned your backs on him. And don’t put words in my mouth either. I support Israel to the fullest extent. You don’t know a damn thing about my political views, but I’ve seen enough of yours to the point where I’m so disgusted with them that I can’t keep my mouth shut anymore. You, sir, are a right-wing extremist, which makes you as dangerous as the terrorists we’re fighting abroad. I’m sorry if President Bush is just too moderate for you, but we cannot kill everyone in the world we don’t like. Sometimes, diplomacy IS necessary to prevent Americans, particularly our soldiers, from being killed needlessly in wars that we could have avoided in the first place.

    And no, I don’t include Iraq on that list; I supported the war in the beginning and still support it to this day. I thought I should make that clear before you start making any more false accusations against me.

  7. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    What exactly is it that you would have the Bush Administration do, your majesty? Another regime change, perhaps, since it’s worked so well in Iraq? Or maybe they could just wipe the Palestinian people off the face of the Earth. Yeah, that’ll do WONDERS for America’s image around the world.

    How about just not funding ANY terrorists?

    Or would that be too “cold-blooded”, “trigger-happy” and “racist” for you? I suppose it would.

    You can pretend that sucking up to terrorists and funding them while, simultaneously, blathering on with perfect soundbites about how you’re “either with us or against us” and how you’d “never negotiate with terrorists” isn’t hypocrisy, but I suggest that you consult your dictionary before you make even more of a fool of yourself, impossibly difficult though THAT would be.

    So it’s a War on (Some) Terror, I take it?

    Thanks for proving my point.

    Don’t call me a kool-aid drinker just because I still support the President

    I’ll call you anything I damn well like, you insufferable twit.

    …even after the vast majority of turncoat, fairweather conservatives such as yourself turned your backs on him.

    You mean “after he’d proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is about as conservative as Ted Kennedy?”

    I suppose that, in your strange and fascinating world, turning your back on a liar, impostor and hypocrite makes you “fairweather”, but that doesn’t mean that it is so.

    Turning your back on somebody who isn’t a conservative is something that conservatives are supposed to do, if they want to continue calling themselves conservative.

    Not to mention that any suggestion that it was conservatives turning their back on President Waffles is complete and utter bullcrap. He turned his back on US.

    I support Israel to the fullest extent.

    If funding a terrorist organization knee-deep in the blood of Jewish civilians is what you call “supporting them to the fullest extent”, then I can assure you that your “full support” isn’t needed.

    That kind of “support” they got enough of while Saddam Hussein was still in power.

    You don’t know a damn thing about my political views, but I’ve seen enough of yours to the point where I’m so disgusted with them that I can’t keep my mouth shut anymore.

    I feel your pain.

    No, wait. That was a thumb tack that one of the kids had dropped on the floor.

    Sometimes, diplomacy IS necessary to prevent Americans, particularly our soldiers, from being killed needlessly in wars that we could have avoided in the first place.

    And our diplomatic approach to Syria and Iran is certainly doing WONDERS protecting our soldiers in Iraq, isn’t it? Hardly a day goes by when one of them isn’t murdered by munitions imported by the insurgent terrorists from, you guessed it, Syria and Iran.

    Twerp.

  8. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    What exactly is it that you would have the Bush Administration do, your majesty? Another regime change, perhaps, since it’s worked so well in Iraq? Or maybe they could just wipe the Palestinian people off the face of the Earth. Yeah, that’ll do WONDERS for America’s image around the world.

    How about just not funding ANY terrorists?

    Or would that be too “cold-blooded”, “trigger-happy” and “racist” for you? I suppose it would.

    Oh for God sakes, there’s a difference between directly supporting a terrorist organization and supporting a legitimately-elected political organization which has had ties to terrorists in the past! By giving the Palestinian Authority our support we’re trying to INFLUENCE them and change their behavior! What part of this don’t you understand!?

    At any rate, you have accused the Bush Administration of DIRECTLY FINANCING TERRORISM. Are you really incapable of seeing what a completely absurd, moonbat-sounding statement that is?! You might get cheers at the Democratic Underground for saying that, but any conservative with a lick of sense will take you to task for it. You’re nuts.

    …even after the vast majority of turncoat, fairweather conservatives such as yourself turned your backs on him.

    You mean “after he’d proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is about as conservative as Ted Kennedy?”

    Utter nonsense. Someone who would put George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy, two politicians who despise each other, into the same category has clearly not got their political bearings straight.

    Bush and Kennedy are both big spenders, yes. But there’s a difference: Kennedy is an anti-war liberal who wants to slash defense funding and leave our country vulnerable to terrorists, while using tax dollars to prop up a victimhood-enabling, soul-sucking socialist welfare state. The Bush Administration’s reckless spending has gone towards the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, the rebuilding of our military after its decimation by the Clinton Administration, and our efforts to foster the growth of democratic governments abroad in order to defeat the IDEOLOGY of Islamofascism that spawns terrorism, rather than just going after the terrorists themselves in a war which, unless its causes are directly addressed, will carry on into perpetuity. There is a BIG difference between Kennedy and Bush–and that’s not even getting into their views on domestic social issues.

    I support Israel to the fullest extent.

    If funding a terrorist organization knee-deep in the blood of Jewish civilians is what you call “supporting them to the fullest extent”, then I can assure you that your “full support” isn’t needed.

    Again, the Bush Administration is NOT FUNDING A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! If there’s ever going to be peace in the Holy Land, Israel and Palestine will have to learn to co-exist as two separate, sovereign states. The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if pursued will only lead to countless more innocent people–Israeli and Palestinian–being killed. If the United States wants there to be peace in that region, it needs to negotiate with BOTH parties–not just the Israelis. Also, if we want to stop the spread of anti-Americanism in the Middle East, we need to work to end the perception of the United States being anti-Arab and anti-Muslim, and part of the way to do that is to treat both sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict fairly and equally.

    In Northern Ireland, the IRA after much effort was eventually able to be reformed into a peaceful political organization that did not resort to terrorism to achieve its ends. The same can happen in Palestine.

    Sometimes, diplomacy IS necessary to prevent Americans, particularly our soldiers, from being killed needlessly in wars that we could have avoided in the first place.

    And our diplomatic approach to Syria and Iran is certainly doing WONDERS protecting our soldiers in Iraq, isn’t it? Hardly a day goes by when one of them isn’t murdered by munitions imported by the insurgent terrorists from, you guessed it, Syria and Iran.

    I agree with you about Syria and Iran. We shouldn’t be trying to negotiate with them to solve the situation in Iraq, as they are indeed a big part of the problem. In hindsight, it would have been smarter for us to go into Iran and Syria before we went into Iraq–but hindsight is 20/20; to complain about it now is crying over spilt milk and accomplishes nothing. I would rather see the Bush Administration issue ultimata to Syria and Iran telling them to cooperate or face the same fate as Saddam’s regime. Honestly, that’s probably what President Bush would LIKE to tell them. But unfortunately, the Bush Administration’s political clout is crippled by low approval ratings and lack of support for the war in Iraq back here at home. If the people won’t even support the war we’re fighting now, they’re certainly not going to support two more. And that’s a shame, because that kind of cowardice is ultimately what’s going to kill us in this war.

    But it’s cowardice on the part of the American people and the Democrats they stupidly chose to elect into office, not on the part of the President, who has been trying to do the best job he possibly can despite being constantly assaulted by both idiotic radicals on the left and extremists such as yourself. You’re not helping anything.

    Don’t call me a kool-aid drinker just because I still support the President

    I’ll call you anything I damn well like, you insufferable twit.

    Yeah, I suppose you can, but calling me names instead of discussing the actual issues doesn’t do a whole lot to help your case.

  9. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Again, the Bush Administration is NOT FUNDING A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!

    Bullshit.  Pure, 100%, unadulterated, non-biodegradeable bullshit.

    If there’s ever going to be peace in the Holy Land, Israel and Palestine will have to learn to co-exist as two separate, sovereign states.

    And you don’t want us to call you a Kool-Aid drinker? 

    The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if pursued will only lead to countless more innocent people–Israeli and Palestinian–being killed.

    Ah, now the truth comes out:  We have ourselves an honest-to-Cthulu anti-Semite  in our midst!

    Tell us now, in your infinite (cough) wisdom - since they gained those lands by defeating those countries who tried to drive them into the sea (the Paleoswinians’ words, not mine) - why should they not be allowed to keep those lands?

    Utter nonsense. Someone who would put George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy, two politicians who despise each other, into the same category has clearly not got their political bearings straight.

    You dumbass.  Who the fuck do you think wrote most of Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” education package?

    Yeah, I suppose you can, but calling me names instead of discussing the actual issues doesn’t do a whole lot to help your case.

    Until you go and prove him correct, moron.

    What a fucking idiot.

  10. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher UNITED STATES

    Antodav:

    Could you please explain to me why dropping two thermo-nuclear warheads on Damascus and Tehran whould not improve things in the mid-east?

    Could you also explain to me why The current president does not want to support Israel so they can properly retaliate against terrorists that shoot rockets into their country and try their best to bomb civilians, but instead, sends them money?

    Am I not nuanced enough for a proper explanation of our Commander in Chief’s deficiencies?

  11. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    During the Israeli assault on the hezballah degenerates the US blocked sending Israel M-26 rockets it had purchased. The purchased weapons had not been delivered because some state dept rats thought the Israelis would inflict too many civilian casualties [yeah right–if that were the case Jenin would’ve been leveled without ever sending in any Israeli infantry] with these weapons. My understanding is that the weapons are yet to be delivered.

    I have no doubt the same rats in the state dept raised no objections to Bush wanting to give Abbas $83 million, which will be used to murder innocent civilians. But since in this case the civilians will be Jews our state dept can live with that.

    Our stated dept is an enemy within and we’re on a ship of fools being captained by a schizophrenic sellout of the highest order. He wants to fight terrorism but then goes and licks the sandals of fatah and the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia. He wants to protect America but refuse to secure our border. And all the congress jackals are no better except for a handful.

  12. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Someone send Bush an x-large bag of pretzels. This time around I’ll be rooting for the pretzel.

  13. LC Mrs. M Comment by LC Mrs. M

    Just because Bush isn’t the trigger-happy, cold-blooded racist you’d like him to be

    Where in the name of St. Jiminie’s Crack Pipe does racism come into this???
    Geeez….you are sounding more like a raving Moonbat by the minute here. I don’t recall ANYONE including the Emperor mentioning race or injecting racism into this discussion…or many other discussions for that matter.
    To think that I was a rabid Bush supporter like you just two years ago…*shudder*.

    Wake up cupcake. Yes, Bush is one of the better Presidents we’ve had. Compared to Bubba Billy he’s a shining star. But facts are facts. He’s spent more time brown nosing the Dems than he has trying to push conservative legistlation….and if you want to throw in the schlock about tax cuts, how about remembering that he just signed (with his Anti-Veto Pen) a Retro Active Tax Increase for all us poor schmucks, so that the Dems will have more moola to play with in the coming years. He’s vetoed exactly ONE bill in all his 6 years in office so far. His veto pen has been shoved so far up our asses that there’s no way he can get it back. He’s made (behind our backs I might add) under the table agreements with Mexico to keep the borders open and allow illegals to flood in, and THEN has the nerve to want to offer them amnesty and Citizenship on Demand. I’m not even going to bother to discuss the NAFTA Super Highway (get’s my blood pressure too high to think about it).
    I voted for Bushito TWICE…M and I donated money to his campaign TWICE. I was proud of how he stood up and took control after 9/11. But now I have to say I have never been more disappointed in any one I voted for than him.
    Yeah as far as Presidents go..he’s not been the worse by far. But that Texas Cowboy we thought we were getting turned out to be a Coca Cola Cowboy. All Fizz.

  14. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    Oh for God sakes, there’s a difference between directly supporting a terrorist organization and supporting a legitimately-elected political organization which has had ties to terrorists in the past!

    Oh. So Fatah and their militant wing, al-Aqsa, just ceased to exist while I wasn’t watching? Damn, somebody needs to remember sending me the damn memos.

    By giving the Palestinian Authority our support we’re trying to INFLUENCE them and change their behavior! What part of this don’t you understand!?

    I think you lost me somewhere around the part where you suggested that funding terrorists is going to influence their behavior (above and beyond spending the funds on more weapons, that is). Granted, this may have to do with the fact that it hasn’t achieved anything like that in 60 years, but I suppose it’ll all be different this time, right?

    Utter nonsense. Someone who would put George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy, two politicians who despise each other,

    Shrimpya despises him so much, in fact, that he left him to write pretty much all of our educational policy. With predictable results.

    Hey, is it possible that I can get Dubya to despise me as well? I mean, that kind of hatred I can surely deal with. I’ll send him my bank account information right away. Hopefully he’ll despise me with every single fibre of his being.

    Bush and Kennedy are both big spenders, yes. But there’s a difference: Kennedy is an anti-war liberal who wants to slash defense funding and leave our country vulnerable to terrorists, while using tax dollars to prop up a victimhood-enabling, soul-sucking socialist welfare state.

    Whereas Bush is an anti-fighting-the-war “conservative” who wants to do anything in his power to keep terrorists from being hurt, supports bringing our soldiers up on war crimes charges when they try to do their job, and loves spending tax dollars creating a victimhood-enabling, illegal alien-supporting, Medicare boondoggle-infested welfare state.

    Gotcha.

    He’s a veritable paragon of conservatism, he is.

    Again, the Bush Administration is NOT FUNDING A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!

    You can use all caps as much as you like, you can even BOLD them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Abu Mazen’s Fatah and al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades are, indeed, terrorist organizations.

    I would rather see the Bush Administration issue ultimata to Syria and Iran telling them to cooperate or face the same fate as Saddam’s regime. Honestly, that’s probably what President Bush would LIKE to tell them. But unfortunately, the Bush Administration’s political clout is crippled by low approval ratings and lack of support for the war in Iraq back here at home.

    And his complete and utter lack of testicles.

    You seem to forget that his sagging approval is due, in large part, to the fact that he has continuously proven to those of us who used to support him that he just doesn’t have any down there.

    You’re not going to wipe his cowardice off on anybody but himself.

    He’s a craven, cowardly fuckhead who shouldn’t be leading a hotdog stand.

    But hey, keep blaming the cowardice of George “we’ll deal with Fallujah. No, wait, let’s hand it over to the terrorists. No, wait, let’s deal with it anyway” or “al-Sadr will pay for his crimes. No, wait, let’s acknowledge him as part of politics in Iraq” or “you’re either with us, or you’re with the terrorists. Unless the terrorists only kill Jooos, in which case you’re fine” Dubya Feckless on the rest of us.

    He’s a sack of cowardly, yellow-bellied skin not worth pissing on if his hair was on fire.

  15. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if pursued will only lead to countless more innocent people–Israeli and Palestinian–being killed.

    Asshole, Jews have occupied Israel for thousands of years before Islam was even a glimmer in Mohammad’s eye. The muslim marauders raped and pillaged throughout the middle east converting Christian nations like Egypt and Syria by the sword to islam. Yet Jew-haters like you never criticize the Muslim barbarians who savagely rule the region you criticize the one democracy surrounded by 22 Arab/muslim nations.

    The term “Palestine” is simply a term for the region not a race of people. Jews were called Palestinians, as were all the occupants. The paleostinians of today are Jordanian. About 60% of Jordan is paleostinian and located on the east bank where the paleostinians should be. The west bank belongs to Israel and the Jews.

    Don’t forget asshole, when the UN partitioned Israel to give to the Jews and paleostinians it was the paleostininas that rejected the deal and said they would “push the Jews into the sea.” The paleostinians don’t want peace you naïve moron. They want the Jews dead. Why the fuck do you think the arabs joined the nazis?

  16. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    I would rather see the Bush Administration issue ultimata to Syria and Iran telling them to cooperate or face the same fate as Saddam’s regime. Honestly, that’s probably what President Bush would LIKE to tell them. But unfortunately, the Bush Administration’s political clout is crippled by low approval ratings and lack of support for the war in Iraq back here at home.

    Leadership is about doing what’s right and polls be damned. We already had a slug like Clintonista who led by putting his finger in the wind. We need leaders not indecisive bureaucrats.

  17. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    Again, the Bush Administration is NOT FUNDING A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!

    Bullshit. Pure, 100%, unadulterated, non-biodegradeable bullshit.

    Wow, you really do believe this crap, don’t you? I can’t argue with someone who’s that irrational. I thought you understood at least the hyperbole of that statement, but you believe it’s the literal truth. Man. You’re really one of the most unhinged people I’ve ever seen.

    If there’s ever going to be peace in the Holy Land, Israel and Palestine will have to learn to co-exist as two separate, sovereign states.

    And you don’t want us to call you a Kool-Aid drinker?

    How does believing that compromise and tolerance are the only feasible route towards establishing peace in the Middle East make me a Kool-Aid Drinker? I’m not following you…arrogance and bigotry have never spawned anything good in the history of mankind. Both sides in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are guilty of that. Unless the Jews and the Arabs learn to stop hating each other, they will only keep killing each other until they’re both extinct. Who would you call the victor in that situation? I suppose whoever fires the last bullet.

    The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if pursued will only lead to countless more innocent people–Israeli and Palestinian–being killed.

    Ah, now the truth comes out: We have ourselves an honest-to-Cthulu anti-Semite in our midst!

    Tell us now, in your infinite (cough) wisdom - since they gained those lands by defeating those countries who tried to drive them into the sea (the Paleoswinians’ words, not mine) - why should they not be allowed to keep those lands?

    Now you’re calling me an ANTI-SEMITE?! You really are unhinged.

    Israel can’t keep those lands for the same reason the United States couldn’t keep the Phillipines after the Spanish-American War: the people who live there don’t want to be Israelis. Compromise and sacrifice on both sides is the only way that peace will ever be established in the Holy Land–the Palestinians will never voluntarily submit to living under a Jewish state, and the Jews will never (and should never) give up their right to live in the ancestral homeland that was given to them as a gift from God thousands of years ago. The only way for the Israel to maintain control over the West Bank and the Gaza Strip while at the same time establishing peace in the region would be through genocide. Is that what you want Israel to do? It’s certainly not what I want to see happen, and it’s not what the Bush Administration wants to see happen. Some middle ground between seeing Israel driven into the sea and having the Jews do the the Palestinians what Hitler did to them has to be found.

    Antodav:

    Could you please explain to me why dropping two thermo-nuclear warheads on Damascus and Tehran whould not improve things in the mid-east?

    NOT ALL ARAB MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. Nuking Damascus and Tehran would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and result in not only widespread condemnation on the global scale, but also retaliation that woudl draw both the United States and Israel as well as much of the rest of the world into a larger war that would kill billions. Have I made it simple enough for you?

    I won’t embarass Apollyon by reposting what he just said…

    Israel went too far in its recent war in Lebanon. Their attacks caused excessive collateral damage and risked igniting a much larger, bloodier conflict that would have engulfed the entire Middle East. The war also accomplished nothing except serve as a PR victory for the terrorists. Why should the Bush Administration have allowed it to continue? It was a debacle.

    If the money that the U.S. gives to the Palestinian Authority is found to be put to the use of killing innocent civilians, the cash flow will stop, plain and simple. Do you think there aren’t people carefully watching what uses these funds are put towards? Assigning these insidious, evil motives to our State Department and our President is a symptom of extreme derangement and a completely warped worldview no different than that of those who think our government planned 9/11.

    By the way, while I’m the one being accused of being an anti-Semite, you’re the ones talking about committing genocide against the Arabs, who are ALSO Semites, in case you are unaware. I’ve been talking about ways to establish peace and save lives. Unfortunately, there’s no middle ground here in a place where demagoguery and extremism reign supreme.

    I knew the border was going to come into this discussion at some point. Yeah, our government does need to secure the border–the Canadian border where terrorists have ever been apprehended crossing into the U.S. The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security. The link between Al-Qaeda and Iraq has more substance to it than the link between illegal immigration and terrorism. It’s a smokescreen. The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 didn’t come here illegally, and they certainly didn’t come in from Mexico.

    I could go on about this topic ad infinitum but what would be the point. You people are far too blinded by your hatred and your fear to listen to one word I’m saying. Thank God President Bush makes his decisions on the basis of his faith and his own personal moral judgements, and not on the ravings of right-wing fanatics.

  18. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    *the Canadian border, which is the only border where terrorists have ever actually been apprehended while trying to cross into the United States.

  19. P Comment by P

    I see the lying Nazi loving piss boy repeats the “semetic” shite.

    The term was created by German proto-Nazi William Marr in 1879 to replace the more honest term “Judenhass.” It always and everywhere means anti-Jewish bigotry to honest individuals.

    Antodav, you should share Streicher’s fate, you genocide-loving swine.

  20. P Comment by P

    I also see that AutoNazi is the typical morally cowardly Holocaust denier cut-and-runner.

    “Boo hoo, you called me out on the facts, you meanies. I’ma gonna run back to Uncle Kofi.”

  21. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    I won’t embarass Apollyon by reposting what he just said…

    Humor me. Not that you haven’t already.

    Their attacks caused excessive collateral damage and risked igniting a much larger, bloodier conflict that would have engulfed the entire Middle East.

    Back up your claim of “excessive” collateral damage. You were probably one of those on the Jenin bandwagon claiming Israel killed 5,000 paleostinians. Turned out to be less than 100.

    If the money that the U.S. gives to the Palestinian Authority is found to be put to the use of killing innocent civilians, the cash flow will stop, plain and simple.

    Um, moron, this is not the first time we’re sending them money and the money has been used for weapons to wage their terrorism on the Jewish state.

    Assigning these insidious, evil motives to our State Department and our President is a symptom of extreme derangement and a completely warped worldview no different than that of those who think our government planned 9/11.

    They know the money will be used for weapons as well as other needs. Derangement is denying it.

    Idiotchild, the stated dept just announced it was covering up the murders of Americans by the dead rat Arafat. Pull your head out of Bush’s ass and take a look around.

    The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security.

    Idiotchild, I’m a huge proponent of enforcing immigration laws, stopping illegal immigration and securing the border. I’m also an immigrant who took the legal and long route to get here. Why the fuck should Mexicans and other latinos get to violate our immigration laws while everyone else has to follow them? Sounds like you’re the racist.

    There’s so much drivel to comment on I’ll just leave it at this.

  22. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Ronald Reagan engaged in diplomacy with some not-so-savory people (including Osama bin Ladin) too in order to prevent even less savory people from doing it first, and I don’t hear you tossing this kind of ridiculous vitriol at him.

    Idiotchild, Bin Laden was waging a guerilla war against our enemy the USSR. Giving money to fatah is not analogous unless of course you view Israel to be the same threat to the US as the USSR was. In your case I wouldn’t doubt it.

  23. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Wow, you really do believe this crap, don’t you?

    What, that you’re full of bullshit?  Guilty as charged, kimosabe.

    I can’t argue

    Should’ve stopped right there.  Might have been the first sensible thing you’ve said here.

    with someone who’s that irrational. I thought you understood at least the hyperbole of that statement but you believe it’s the literal truth. Man. You’re really one of the most unhinged people I’ve ever seen.

    You want “hyperbole”, assmunch?  Here’s some “hyperbole” for you:

    You’re a fucking chickenshit who would piss your pants if you had to say that to my face.

    How’s that for hyperbole, fuckhead?

    How does believing that compromise and tolerance are the only feasible route towards establishing peace in the Middle East make me a Kool-Aid Drinker?

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you seem to think it’s the Israelis - and, by extension, the Americans, as well - who have to do the compromising and tolerating.

    The Arabs have 99% of the land in the Middle East.  That you’re coming in here and bleating about Israel having to give away a portion of their 1% means that you do not  “support Israel to the fullest extent”, despite your whinings to the contrary.

    I’m not following you

    Morons usually don’t.

    arrogance and bigotry have never spawned anything good in the history of mankind. Both sides in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are guilty of that. Unless the Jews and the Arabs learn to stop hating each other, they will only keep killing each other until they’re both extinct. Who would you call the victor in that situation? I suppose whoever fires the last bullet

    All Israel has ever  wanted has been to live in peace.  It’s her Arab neighbors who have the stated desire to “push Israel into the sea”.

    And then we have Kool-Aid-drinking dumbfucks who want to help Limpdickya help the Muslims do just that.

    Now you’re calling me an ANTI-SEMITE?! You really are unhinged.

    And you’re a dumb-assed son-of-a-bitch chickenshit.  And an anti-Semite to boot.

    Israel can’t keep those lands for the same reason the United States couldn’t keep the Phillipines after the Spanish-American War: the people who live there don’t want to be Israelis.

    Then maybe they shouldn’t have attacked Israel back in the day, y’think?

    Ach.  Silly me.  I forgot - no, you don’t  think.

    Compromise and sacrifice on both sides is the only way that peace will ever be established in the Holy Land–the Palestinians will never voluntarily submit to living under a Jewish state

    Then perhaps they ought to return to Jordan, where they originally came from.  But you conveniently overlooked that fact, didn’t you?

    and the Jews will never (and should never) give up their right to live in the ancestral homeland that was given to them as a gift from God thousands of years ago. The only way for the Israel to maintain control over the West Bank and the Gaza Strip while at the same time establishing peace in the region would be through genocide. Is that what you want Israel to do?

    If the Arabs want to continue to fuck with Israel, when all Israel has ever wanted is to be left alone in peace, then I don’t see the problem.

    It’s certainly not what I want to see happen, and it’s not what the Bush Administration wants to see happen.

    Yeah, and that’s why we’re pissed off about it, and that’s why I think you’re an anti-Semitic asshole.

    Some middle ground between seeing Israel driven into the sea and having the Jews do the the Palestinians what Hitler did to them has to be found.

    All the “Palestinians” have to do as far as Israel’s concerned is BACK THE FUCK OFFThere’s  your “middle ground”, asshat.

    Or is that not “nuanced” enough for you?

  24. Unregistered Comment by annoyinglittletwerp UNITED STATES

    Um Sire-not to seem picky or anything-but could you please not refer to antodav as a Twerp.
    As the official Twerp(and someone who is getting rightly PISSED at the current occupate of the Oval office) of the Rottie nation I take great umbrage at my name being used to descrbe a pseudo-troll. :annoyed_tb:

    I thank you oh Great Benevolent Leader.

  25. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    Just because Bush isn’t the trigger-happy, cold-blooded racist you’d like him to be

    Where in the name of St. Jiminie’s Crack Pipe does racism come into this???

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    I see the lying Nazi loving piss boy repeats the “semetic” shite.

    The term was created by German proto-Nazi William Marr in 1879 to replace the more honest term “Judenhass.” It always and everywhere means anti-Jewish bigotry to honest individuals.

    Antodav, you should share Streicher’s fate, you genocide-loving swine.

    Regardless of who invented the term “Semite,” its meaning applies to anyone whose ancestry is in the Middle East. That includes both the Jews and the Arabs. You’re reminding me of a college professor I had during my freshman year who complained about how the word “wife” comes from an ancient Anglo-Saxon word meaning “to beat.” Etymology is not the issue here. The issue is that genocide is wrong, and the ethnicity of the people who its being commited against is entirely irrelevant.

    Comment by P

    I also see that AutoNazi is the typical morally cowardly Holocaust denier cut-and-runner.

    “Boo hoo, you called me out on the facts, you meanies. I’ma gonna run back to Uncle Kofi.”

    What the fuck? When did I deny the holocaust?! I used the holocaust as an example of what the Jews should NOT do, after stating that Hitler had done it to them! I believe that’s called AFFIRMING the holocaust, not denying it.

    I’ve also not mentioned anything about Kofi Annan or the United Nations at any point in anything I’ve said. I despise the incompetent, anti-American, anti-Semetic, terrorist-supporting, raping, killing, greedy, corrput, tax dollar-wasting sack of shit that is the UN. I believe the U.S. should kick the UN out of the U.S. if not withdraw from it completely. Where in the hell are you people getting this crap from? You have no basis for these kinds of attacks on me.

    Oh, and I’m a “genocide-loving swine” now even though I’ve said pretty plainly that I am opposed to committing genocide. Funny how that works.

    I won’t embarass Apollyon by reposting what he just said…

    Humor me. Not that you haven’t already.

    No, Apollyon, all I’ll do is advise you to check your grammar and your spelling before you hit “submit comment.” I prefer to deal with the substance of your post, not the semantics.

    Their attacks caused excessive collateral damage and risked igniting a much larger, bloodier conflict that would have engulfed the entire Middle East.

    Back up your claim of “excessive” collateral damage. You were probably one of those on the Jenin bandwagon claiming Israel killed 5,000 paleostinians. Turned out to be less than 100.

    I was referring to collateral damage in the form of infrastructure and buildings that were destroyed, not in the form of people killed. But a hundred innocent people dead is still too many for a conflict that was an immense overreaction to begin with.

    The Bush Administration DID support Israel’s war against Hezbollah–in the beginning. When it saw that it was going nowhere, however, they withdrew their support. That was the sensible thing to do from a political perspective.

    If the money that the U.S. gives to the Palestinian Authority is found to be put to the use of killing innocent civilians, the cash flow will stop, plain and simple.

    Um, moron, this is not the first time we’re sending them money and the money has been used for weapons to wage their terrorism on the Jewish state.

    A Palestinian state has never existed in the Holy Land in the way it does right now. We’ve tried it before, we’re trying it again, if it doesn’t work now, we’ll stop again and maybe try again later…yes, it’s a hopless, vicious cycle, but the alternative is to turn our backs and do nothing, which America has done far too often in the world over the last several decades and which has only yeilded disastrous results.

    Assigning these insidious, evil motives to our State Department and our President is a symptom of extreme derangement and a completely warped worldview no different than that of those who think our government planned 9/11.

    They know the money will be used for weapons as well as other needs. Derangement is denying it.

    Idiotchild, the stated dept just announced it was covering up the murders of Americans by the dead rat Arafat. Pull your head out of Bush’s ass and take a look around.

    Link.

    The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security.

    Idiotchild, I’m a huge proponent of enforcing immigration laws, stopping illegal immigration and securing the border. I’m also an immigrant who took the legal and long route to get here. Why the fuck should Mexicans and other latinos get to violate our immigration laws while everyone else has to follow them? Sounds like you’re the racist.

    Our immigration laws are the biggest part of the problem. Mexico, compared to the United States, is a poor country; most Mexicans, not to mention other Latin Americans, cannot afford to immigrate into this country legally, nor can they meet all the other overly-stringent requirements to enter this country. We need to relax our immigration laws in order to make it easier for people to enter this country LEGALLY. That doesn’t mean letting terrorists (of which there have so far been NONE) and drug dealers (a very small minority) enter the country with impunity. But it does mean not trying to stop every single person trying to cross the border, and instead focusing only on those who actually choose to do us harm. The solutions I’ve heard proposed by people on the right choose to address the symptom of the problem (illegal immigration) but not the actual cause (bad immigration policy). Just because something is the law doesn’t mean that it should be enforced. Sometimes, bad laws need to be changed. That’s how segregation and slavery were ended, and that’s how this immigration problem will be solved too.

    This country once had laws with an explicitly racist intent that were aimed at keeping Asians, Irish, Italians, and other “undesirables” out of the country in large numbers. The same kind of system exists in this country today. Our immigration policy needs to be reformed. Serious immigration reform may be the only good thing that comes from the Democratic Congress.

  26. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    I won’t embarass Apollyon by reposting what he just said…

    Really, give it a shot.

    I will admit I start typing fast and get a little sloppy with words. So you could nitpick and would be right that it wasn’t the paleostinians that said they would attack Israel if the partition were to take place but rather it was many Arab nations. Ironically the Jews told the paleostinians to stay and fight with them and they’ll defend a country they would share. The rest is history. Go learn it.

    So humor me and take my post apart.

  27. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    You idiot. There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 dozen conflicts on the globe involving a certain group of people Muslims that cant get along with their neighbors or host countries. Some of the Arab/muslim terrorist nations deserve to get hit hard and to say it’s because they’re not Jewish maybe the single dumbest statement I’ve heard from someone proclaiming to be a conservative. Republican maybe but no Conservative.

    You make it sound like we’d be bombing them just for the sake of bombing them, oh yeah, they’re also not Jewish. Seriously, do you grasp the conflict we’re in?

  28. Dick Comment by Dick UNITED STATES

    Did somebody call for a bouncer?

  29. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    antodav, the link you requested:

    December 28, 2006

    Declassified State Department Document: Arafat Responsible for Storming of Embassy and Murder of Americans in 1973

    The State Department has finally admitted (document has just been declassified) that Arafat was behind the 1973 murder of two Americans in Sudan by the Black September terrorist group. They stormed the Saudi embassy in Khartoum, taking American hostages and eventually killing them.

    http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/12/declassified_st.html

  30. P Comment by P

    “Regardless of who invented the term “Semite,” its meaning applies to anyone whose ancestry is in the Middle East. That includes both the Jews and the Arabs. You’re reminding me of a college professor I had during my freshman year who complained about how the word “wife” comes from an ancient Anglo-Saxon word meaning ‘to beat.’”

    This is the Fallacy of false analogy, thus demonstrating your intellectual dishonesty even more than before, NaziSlime. The term “wife” has not been used as a synonym of the term “to beat” SINCE Anglo-Saxon times, while the only licit use of “anti-Semitism” describes anti-Jewish bigotry. The use of the “semites” dodge is a low attempt to rationalize your own hatred of Jews, and only intellectually dishonest Judenhass sufferers employ it. (cf. “Some of my best friends are”)

    “Etymology is not the issue here. The issue is that genocide is wrong, and the ethnicity of the people who its being commited against is entirely irrelevant.”

    Except when it happens to be “those people,” you Holocaust-denying moron, eh?

    Yet more lies and filthy moral equivocation from Autonazi. The Jews of Israel are not engaged in “genocide” of Palestinians, but the Paleosimians certainly are when it comes to Jews. It is a part of their creed and their actions, right down to copying the Nazi salute and making MEIN KAMPF their No.1 political bestseller. Their stated goal is the total destruction of Israel and the murder or ethnic cleansing of every Jew in the area, and all their actions back up their words.

    My ancestors were brutally oppressed and dispossessed for over

    NINE

    HUNDRED

    YEARS

    …yet they never in their wildest dreams considered murdering little childrens in their beds, let alone hailing it as heroism as the Palestinians and AutoNazi do.

    What filth

    What utter utter filth

  31. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    Ronald Reagan engaged in diplomacy with some not-so-savory people (including Osama bin Ladin) too in order to prevent even less savory people from doing it first, and I don’t hear you tossing this kind of ridiculous vitriol at him.

    Idiotchild, Bin Laden was waging a guerilla war against our enemy the USSR. Giving money to fatah is not analogous unless of course you view Israel to be the same threat to the US as the USSR was. In your case I wouldn’t doubt it.

    Sometimes you can’t achieve peace unless you’re willing to talk to your enemies. Not all of the time by any means, but sometimes, you can’t. After 40 years warfare and unwavering support for Israel has not accomplished anything of significance in the Holy Land. It’s time to try something else. Maybe it won’t work, I don’t know; I can’t predict the future. But I’m not going around ascribing these insidious, evil motives to the Bush Administration like you are. They’re not trying to destroy Israel. They’re trying to establish peace, as every Presidential Administration since Kennedy has been doing, usually with not much success. Ultimately, the U.S. probably won’t be able to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict–that’s something they will have to work out for themselves.

    Israel is not a threat to the United States. On the contrary, Israel is one of the best friends the United States has. We should support Israel, by and large–but that doesn’t mean Israel is infallible and perfect, and has the right to do whatever the hell it wants. Giving Israel a carte blanc would be irresponsible. Everything needs to be done in moderation.

    Lord Spatula, I’m not going to descend to your level with the name-calling, I’m sorry.

    I support the right of Israel to exist to the fullest extent. That doesn’t mean that I support the right of Israel to rule the entire Mediterranean coast. Sure, the Palestinians came from Jordan–so what? The Jews came from Europe, mainly. They’re both foreigners trying to occupy the same land, and they both have claims to the land that go back centuries. They can either compromise, or they can kill each other. I think compromise is a better solution. That’s not anti-Semitism. That’s common sense.

    The Bush Administration is not trying to see Israel pushed into the sea. It does support Israel’s right to exist, as do I. That’s not the same as supporting Israel’s right to rule that entire swath of territory between Egypt and Turkey. Israel can exist alongside a Palestinian state. That’s the only way to solve the problem.

    To say that a country spilling the blood of its soldiers conquering an area of land intrinsically gives the country the right to rule that land is absurd. For that matter, Saddam Hussein had the right to rule Kuwait, the Japanese had the right to rule East Asia, and Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin all had the right to rule Europe (maybe they can fight each other for it in Hell). Israel HAD the land that was given to it in the Balfour Declaration; it had no right to expand beyond those borders. Nor did the Arab states have the right to attack Israel just because it was there. Both sides behaved inappropriately.

    So I’m anti-Semetic because I don’t want to see the Jews commit genocide against the Palestinians, even though I support their right to have a (limited) state of their own. Yeah, that really makes a whole lot of sense.

    I’m not a troll, by the way. I’m a lurker. I’ve been visiting these boards on and off again for the last three years, but I never felt compelled to say anything until now. I’ve enjoyed a lot of the scathing rants that I’ve seen on this site against Democrats and other people on the left. But I’ve had enough of people on the far Right attacking the President. You knew Bush was a moderate when he was running for office. If you didn’t like that, you should have voted for Pat Buchannan, or someone else whose views are as far out there as your own.

  32. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Mexico, compared to the United States, is a poor country;…

    Every country compared to the US is poor.

    As far as Mexico I bet you didn’t know it has the 10th largest economy. From your posts I’ve gathered there’s a lot you don’t know and it’s reflective in your conclusions. Read this so you can start clearly understanding why Mexico is where it is and our porous border just allows Mexico maintain the status quo and avoid reform. Build a wall and reformation will finally be forced upon the corrupt Mexican govt. Your ignorance while excusable contributes to the problem.

    Mexico has the second-highest highest Gross Domestic Product in Latin America, after being #1 for several years over second-place Brazil.

    • When measured in GDP per capita, Mexico ranks #1 as of 2005, ahead of Chile and Venezuela.

    • According to Forbes magazine, a substantial proportion of Latin American billionaires, 10 out of 26, were Mexican as of 2005.

    • Mexico raises less revenue through taxation than nearly any other Latin American country, just 12 percent which is one reason why the nation’s wealth is not better utilized. By comparison, the United States takes in 25-28 percent of its gross domestic profit in taxes. Even Brazil taxes itself at twice the Mexican rate.

    • Economist Gary Hufbauer of the Institute for International Economics has remarked, “It’s up to Mexico to solve its problem, and basically the wealthy classes do not want to tax themselves, period. While I’m not usually an advocate for larger government, Mexico is a country where public investment, done wisely, could pay huge dividends.”

    • Mexico expert Prof. George Grayson of William and Mary College calls Mexico an “immensely wealthy nation.”

    • Mexico’s economy is the world’s tenth largest.

    • Freedom House notes the cost of corruption: “According a recent study by the Mexico chapter of Transparency International, some $2.3 billion-approximately 1 percent-of the country’s economic production goes to officials in bribes, with the poorest families paying nearly 14 percent of their income in bribes.”

    http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/mexicoisrich.html

  33. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    You make it sound like we’d be bombing them just for the sake of bombing them, oh yeah, they’re also not Jewish. Seriously, do you grasp the conflict we’re in?

    Given his Gravatar™, Apolloyon, I rather doubt there’s much he’s able to grasp.

    Stupid Communist swine…

  34. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    You idiot. There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 2-3 dozen conflicts on the globe involving a certain group of people Muslims that cant get along with their neighbors or host countries. Some of the Arab/muslim terrorist nations deserve to get hit hard and to say it’s because they’re not Jewish maybe the single dumbest statement I’ve heard from someone proclaiming to be a conservative. Republican maybe but no Conservative.

    You make it sound like we’d be bombing them just for the sake of bombing them, oh yeah, they’re also not Jewish. Seriously, do you grasp the conflict we’re in?

    I grasp the conflict we’re in just fine. That doesn’t mean I believe that its appropriate for us to engage in mass murder to achieve our ends. If we do that, we’re no better than our enemies. Conservatives believe in human rights, respect for life, and freedom. You are the one who is a phony conservative.

  35. franksalterego Comment by franksalterego UNITED STATES

    All this dustup, over $83 Million?

    That’s like me, donating 5 cents to a beggar on the street.

    And, BTW antodav, get rid of that Hammer n’ Sickle…It’s doesn’t do your case much good…Jus’ sayin’.

  36. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    A Palestinian state has never existed in the Holy Land in the way it does right now.

    No it hasn’t and still doesn’t. They have their little terrorist enclave in Gaza, which was a huge mistake by Israel as demonstrated by over 1000 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza.

    Palestinians have a homeland. It’s called Jordan. It’s not Israel’s fault the Jordanians don’t want them even though they’re majority paleostinian. You should look up how the former King of Jordan treated paleostinians. I would also add that paleostinians are viewed by their arab brethren like the Phrench Canadians are viewed by the Phrench.

  37. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    All this dustup, over $83 Million?

    That’s like me, donating 5 cents to a beggar on the street.

    franksalterego, I hear you but the problem is the amount of Jewish blood the filthy koranimals will be able to spill with $83 million. And not one school will be built or book [other than the koran] bought with that money. It just fuels the terrorist machine.

  38. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Given his Gravatar™….

    It does say it all Lord Spatula.

  39. Unregistered Comment by antodav2007 UNITED STATES

    Around the edges of my avatar, it says “Official Seal of the United States Democratic Party.” It’s a parody; I made it myself. So please, stop calling me a communist. I despise communism and any other ideology that represses the rights of the individual.

    I never said that the Jews were engaged in genocide against the Palestinians; I said that genocide would be the only way besides compromise to achieve peace in the holy land. And I said that I would not want to see the Jews do that. I don’t believe that they would.

    True, every country is poor compared to the United States, and Mexico is better than most; however, that doesn’t change the fact that the United States should have an immigration policy that encourages legal immigration, rather than discouraging it (and thereby encouraging illegal immigration).

    I realize my views on immigration are more liberal than that of most conservatives. However, I have a reason for that: my family is almost entirely composed of immigrants.

    I grasp the concept of the war we’re in just fine; that doesn’t mean I approve of the use of nuclear weapons to kill millions of innocent people. That would make us as bad as our enemies.

    The cover-up of Arafat’s murder of Americans, according to the link, happened back in 1973. You won’t find me offering up any defense of the Nixon Administration. I fail to see what that has to do with George W. Bush.

    Any response I could offer to anything else that’s been said here would be redundant or would mean acknowledging petty personal attacks and and namecalling. I’m not a racist, or an anti-Semite, or a Nazi. Nor have I ever denied the holocaust. I didn’t come here to start a fight; I just wanted to defend the President against attacks which I felt were unwarranted. Apparently, though, you can’t disagree with Emperor Mischa I on this site without being flogged.

    That’s too bad. I really liked this site until now.

    Antodav

  40. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    I’m not following you…arrogance and bigotry have never spawned anything good in the history of mankind. Both sides in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict are guilty of that.

    WHAT?

    Oh sure. The nation of Israel that has never, not ONCE deliberately targeted an innocent civilian are just as bad as the animals that have done so consistently for 60 years.

    The animals that will shoot a pregnant mother along with her three daughters. The subhuman filth that murdered an infant in his high chair by spraying him with bullets, the deranged pigs and apes that routinely murder defenseless innocents by raining rockets upon them, they’re NO DIFFERENT from Israel.

    That’s it. I really, truly am done with you, Joseph Goebbels. If anybody else wants to engage your three neurons in debate, if anybody else wants to demean themselves by even pretending that you’re worthy of the designation “sentient being”, then they’re certainly free to do so.

    But I don’t want to ever again find myself even talking to an anti-Semite, neo-Nazi heap of shit like you.

    Go fuck yourself, and here’s to hoping that your bloodline becomes extinct soon. Heaven knows that we don’t need any more direct descendants of Adolf Hitler.

    You worthless, filthy, inhumane heap of human refuse.

    Fuck you and anybody who ever shook your hand.

  41. Dick Comment by Dick UNITED STATES

    Go fuck yourself, and here’s to hoping that your bloodline becomes extinct soon. Heaven knows that we don’t need any more direct descendants of Adolf Hitler.

    You worthless, filthy, inhumane heap of human refuse.

    Fuck you and anybody who ever shook your hand.

    Yep, you’re getting soft. I asked earlier if you wanted the tard bounced out of here.

  42. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    By giving the Palestinian Authority our support we’re trying to INFLUENCE them and change their behavior! What part of this don’t you understand!?

    Gee, didn’t we try this with the Taliban in Afghanistan? I seem to recall that not turning out so well. But of course one bunch of extremist Muslin dipshits shares nothing in common with another, right?

    Back up your claim of “excessive” collateral damage. You were probably one of those on the Jenin bandwagon claiming Israel killed 5,000 paleostinians. Turned out to be less than 100.

    Yeah, but once you photoshop that, it’s closer to three million and a couple of dozen daycares/hospitals and peaceful, moderate mosques, right?. Just ask the AP.

    I love when people view the facts of Israel’s necessary self defence as some sort of evil plot to oppress the Arab world. Because we all know how evil Joo’s sneak into Arab lands, set up katyusha rocket positions, attack their own people then sneak home before their gunships scramble.

    I’ve always been amazed at the restraint Israel shows as a nation, rather than wondering why they are so hard on their killers…..

  43. LC Mrs. M Comment by LC Mrs. M

    Apparently, though, you can’t disagree with Emperor Mischa I on this site without being flogged.

    Oh we disagree with him quite often. Matter of fact he gets bored if we agree all the time. Disagreement fosters dialog, which can get pretty interesting around here. But when you start cutting down Israel…you have to take on pretty much all of us. You can claim to be conservative all you want, but when you start claiming that Israel is no better than the terrorists who are trying to destroy them, you’ve proved you aren’t worth the effort to fart on, much less debate.

    If anybody else wants to engage your three neurons in debate

    Naaa….apparently the tinfoil in that beanie hat is the really cheap stuff that is pulling beams from both the Mother Ship AND Karl Rove’s Mind Machine.

  44. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil UNITED STATES

    My, I came in on this one late…

    antodav: I just can’t wait to see if the rest of the regular crew have shot you in the ass yet:

    What exactly is it that you would have the Bush Administration do, your majesty?

    Oh, I don’t know - Kill the terrorists, mayhaps?

    Or maybe they could just wipe the Palestinian people off the face of the Earth.

    Ther ARE NO PALISTENIAN PEOPLE! They are (at best) JORDANIAN Arabs. Prior to 1948, they were Jordanian or Egyptian. Immediately after the (re)creation of Israel, the media started referring to them as Palistenian, which was a lie then, has been a lie since, and continues to be a lie still.

    Don’t call me a kool-aid drinker just because I still support the President even after the vast majority of turncoat, fairweather conservatives such as yourself turned your backs on him.

    Aaaaannnd, I suppose you think George is a Conservative? Seems to be a bit of argument about that assertion. Yes, I firmly believe that the country is better off with Dubya at the helm, as opposed to John F’n Kerry (or, may GOD Deliver us, AlGore). Is that supposed to prevent us from gently (or not so gently) telling him when he is stepping on his crank?

    You don’t know a damn thing about my political views, but I’ve seen enough of yours to the point where I’m so disgusted with them that I can’t keep my mouth shut anymore. You, sir, are a right-wing extremist, which makes you as dangerous as the terrorists we’re fighting abroad.

    Well then, don’t let the door hit ya in the ass. You know the way home and the road ain’t crowded.

    I support Israel to the fullest extent.

    No, you don’t. You support terrorists. Ya can’t have it both ways. Except in liberal circles.

    Oh for God sakes, there’s a difference between directly supporting a terrorist organization and supporting a legitimately-elected political organization which has had ties to terrorists in the past! By giving the Palestinian Authority our support we’re trying to INFLUENCE them and change their behavior! What part of this don’t you understand!?

    In case you have forgotten to read the news papers lately, Hamas is STILL committing terrorism. And still in control of the PA “Government”. At what point do murderers cease to be murderers? Just one Hell of a lot of influence we have, huh? Or is that too “harsh” for your kool aid drinking ass?

    At any rate, you have accused the Bush Administration of DIRECTLY FINANCING TERRORISM.

    Yes. Just like giving money to Planned Parenthood (even if it is just office supply money) funds abortion. What’s yer question?

    If there’s ever going to be peace in the Holy Land, Israel and Palestine will have to learn to co-exist as two separate, sovereign states. The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if ……. yada yada yada, ad infinitum

    Christ on a crutch, boy, what in the name of GOD do you WANT for Israel to offer to these little sand lice? They were offered all but two square miles of the territory they wanted back when Bill Clinton was in the White House, and turned it down flat. No discussion, no counter offer, thsy just said no.

    Now, if somewhere along the line, Israel had conducted a war of conquest, I could, perhaps, understand this attitude. But no, all the land Israel has occupied has been land used by other states to launch attackes on THEM. I think they have shown admirable restraint. Personally, if THIS country were attacked by islamic assholes, I would advocate killing ALL of them, to prevent the slightest possibility that they might attack me again.

    Oh. Wait. They DID, didn’t they?

    ____________________________

    antodav, you are a fucking idiot. I don’t care if you call yourself a conservative. So did David Duke, iirc.

    That Hammer and Sickle suits you well.

    You, sir, are a pissant. Go away, and don’t darken our doorstep again. You are beneath our notice and our concern.

    Go forth, and GROW UP. Someday, you may be old enough to play in the Adult Swim areas.

  45. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    I see the lying Nazi loving piss boy repeats the “semetic” shite.

    The term was created by German proto-Nazi William Marr in 1879 to replace the more honest term “Judenhass.” It always and everywhere means anti-Jewish bigotry to honest individuals.

    Nice catch, LC P, that one really stood out to me too.

    I remember only too well when, back in my home country, we were, erm, “surveilling” neo-Nazis to keep track of them.

    One of their favorite rhetorical tricks was the “Arabs are Semites too” meme. They thought it was an ever-so-clever way of deflecting the anti-Semitism charge that would land them in jail, but what they didn’t realize was that it was a particular tactic that not a single one of the other subversive groups used, so it pretty much served as an immediate identifier.

    The “clever” ones among them would avoid any direct references to Holocaust denial or accusations that “the Jooos are the reason for all evil” because they knew it was a dead give-away, but invariably they’d trip themselves over the “Arabs are Semites too” meme when accused of being anti-Semites, and they’d be done for right after that.

    So I wasn’t surprised when the Stormfront acolyte Antodav tripped himself up, not in the least bit. It was only a matter of time. He DID, however, resist the temptation for quite a while.

    Fucking neo-Nazi swine.

  46. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Emperor, your suggestion is well taken but I can’t resist one more.

    By giving the Palestinian Authority our support we’re trying to INFLUENCE them and change their behavior! What part of this don’t you understand!?

    Only someone drowning in naïveté thinks a tiger can change its stripes.

    I’ve always been amazed at the restraint Israel shows as a nation, rather than wondering why they are so hard on their killers…..

    NCLivingBrit, I’m dismayed by it but there’s no doubt they are extremely restrained under the circumstances. If I were in charge I wouldn’t allow it.

    If the roles were reversed and the paleostinians, or arabs for that matter, had Israel’s toys the Jews were relatively unarmed they would be incinerated by the practitioners of peace. Something totally lost on liberal idiots [redundancy] and those like antoda.

  47. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil UNITED STATES

    Oh, this may be a long night:

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    No, knucklehead, because they happen to be terrorists. Or support them. Or finance them.

    Simple way to get along with the Jewish State: Don’t attack us, we don’t kick yer ass. Is that too damn difficult for you?

    If all the current conflicts in the world involve Muhammedeans, where, sirrah, does the fault lie?

    ___________________________________

    You are a racist, and do not deserve the respect that is accorded to slime mold. Please leave this establishment before you trarnish the rest of us.

    Pissant.
    ———————————–

    Majesty, Management, DAVE, fucking somebody!

    Delete this little shitferbrains.

    I mean, hell, even, CASPIAN was at least entertaining.

  48. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    True, every country is poor compared to the United States, and Mexico is better than most; however, that doesn’t change the fact that the United States should have an immigration policy that encourages legal immigration….

    Good Lord……

    You should be embarrassed at this point. The US takes in more legal immigrants each year than the rest of the world combined, which doesn’t include the illegals. Why don’t you go and check out how Mexico deals with illegals and how it militarizes its southern border with Guatemala.

    If it were up to me I’d stop all immigration for the next 5 years and cleanup the damn internal mess and that would include a southern wall.

  49. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    Emperor, your suggestion is well taken but I can’t resist one more.

    It wasn’t a “suggestion” (as in “hint with a baseball bat”), it was just my personal opinion. Anybody around here is free to comment as they wish to whomever they wish, and I won’t interfere. This is your site as much as it is mine, and I don’t ever want to give anybody the impression that they can’t speak out if they want to.

    I’d just had it personally, but that doesn’t mean that everybody else should feel the same way.

  50. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security.

    HORSESHIT, asshole! What it’s grounded in is the dangers inherent to a multi-lingual society, communication, understanding and the sharing of a common language. I live in Kalifornia, in the Central Valley. It is not racism, it is not fear, it is anger at the double standards being foisted on us by liberals and tacitly supported by Bush and the RINOS. It has to do with Bush selling us down the shitter to keep those cheap workers coming in, displacing many citizens, bankrupting hospitals, filling jails and bankrupting welfare rolls. Racism my rosey red ass! Fucking idiot, you blame racism, just like any moonbat, rather than laying the fault where it lies, right in Bush’s lap. I read the post with a growing interest, but that got me fired right up. I know it because I live it! In a town half Mexican………beware, the moonbat is leaking out.

  51. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Lord Spatula, I’m not going to descend to your level with the name-calling, I’m sorry.

    Oh?  Who was it that came in here sarcastically referring to the owner of this site  as “your majesty” and “your highness”?

    Here’s a hint, you fucking hypocritical bastard:  ‘Twasn’t me.

    Now you’re “not going to descend to [my] level with the name-calling”?  PotKettleBlack™ much, son?

    I support the right of Israel to exist to the fullest extent.

    Lie.

    That doesn’t mean that I support the right of Israel to rule the entire Mediterranean coast.

    That’s their land, acquired when they defeated their enemies in ‘67 and ‘73.  I imagine that next, you’ll be saying that we need to give Texas back to the Mexicans - eh, moron?

    Sure, the Palestinians came from Jordan–so what?

    Ever stop to consider, then, that maybe it’s not their land???

    The Jews came from Europe, mainly. They’re both foreigners trying to occupy the same land, and they both have claims to the land that go back centuries.

    ‘Scuse me, but Israel’s claim to that land goes back millennia.  Slight difference there.

    They can either compromise, or they can kill each other. I think compromise is a better solution. That’s not anti-Semitism. That’s common sense.

    Or the Paleosimians can just shut the fuck up and quit trying to suicide-bomb every Jew they see.  How’s that?

    The Bush Administration is not trying to see Israel pushed into the sea. It does support Israel’s right to exist, as do I.

    Then why is President Wimpya kowtowing to those who want to destroy Israel?

    That’s not the same as supporting Israel’s right to rule that entire swath of territory between Egypt and Turkey. Israel can exist alongside a Palestinian state. That’s the only way to solve the problem.

    Bullshit again.  The Paleo-ragheads have zip, zero, nada  right to that land.  Period, end, stop.

    To say that a country spilling the blood of its soldiers conquering an area of land intrinsically gives the country the right to rule that land is absurd. For that matter, Saddam Hussein had the right to rule Kuwait, the Japanese had the right to rule East Asia, and Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin all had the right to rule Europe (maybe they can fight each other for it in Hell). Israel HAD the land that was given to it in the Balfour Declaration; it had no right to expand beyond those borders. Nor did the Arab states have the right to attack Israel just because it was there. Both sides behaved inappropriately.

    Bullshit and bullshit again.  Show me one  innocent civilian that the Israelis have deliberately targeted.

    So I’m anti-Semetic because I don’t want to see the Jews commit genocide against the Palestinians, even though I support their right to have a (limited) state of their own. Yeah, that really makes a whole lot of sense.

    That you say  you support Israel doesn’t mean shit, jack.  The rest of the bullshit you’ve spewed in here puts the lie to that  rather quickly.

    I’m not a troll, by the way. I’m a lurker.

    I think Management™ will be the judge of that, not you.

    I’ve been visiting these boards on and off again for the last three years, but I never felt compelled to say anything until now.

    Well, you know what they say about shutting up and letting people think  you’re a fool…

    I’ve enjoyed a lot of the scathing rants that I’ve seen on this site against Democrats and other people on the left. But I’ve had enough of people on the far Right attacking the President. You knew Bush was a moderate when he was running for office. If you didn’t like that, you should have voted for Pat Buchannan, or someone else whose views are as far out there as your own.

    Some of us actually did - that is to say, back in the day when Buchanan actually made sense.  When he stopped, we voted for the most conservative candidate available at the time.

    Unfortunately, during the ‘00 and ‘04 elections, that happened to be Jorge Arbusto.

    But that does not  deprive us of our right to bitch at Waffleya when he fucks up.  And right now, he’s fucking up.

    If that doesn’t suit you, then too fucking bad.

  52. P Comment by P

    “Nice catch, LC P, that one really stood out to me too.”

    Thanks! I’ve had long experience with these Buchananite filthbag wastes of skin.

    “I remember only too well when, back in my home country, we were, erm, “surveilling” neo-Nazis to keep track of them.

    One of their favorite rhetorical tricks was the “Arabs are Semites too” meme. They thought it was an ever-so-clever way of deflecting the anti-Semitism charge that would land them in jail, but what they didn’t realize was that it was a particular tactic that not a single one of the other subversive groups used, so it pretty much served as an immediate identifier.”

    Oh, I just can’t imagine why the Danes wouldn’t like Nazis…

    Anyhoo, idiots like AmaNazi are anti-Semites by their own perverted misuse of the term, since they enjoy ginning up anti-Jewish bigotry in the Jordyptians in order to create down-and-out fallguys and pawns in their eternal war against Jews.

    Golda Meier was so right when she said, “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”

  53. P Comment by P

    “Bullshit again. The Paleo-ragheads have zip, zero, nada right to that land. Period, end, stop.”

    …as well as a negative google interest in “living peacefully” with Israel, EVER.

  54. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    The Zionist dream of a single state of Israel that occupies the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, Lebanon, and the Sinai is an unrealistic fantasy which if pursued will only lead to countless more innocent people–Israeli and Palestinian–being killed.

    The only fantasy I see here is the notion that Israel can live in peace with those people sworn to her destruction. I long ago lost any compassion for militant Palestinians or those rabidly seeking to kill Jews. I don’t buy the arguments of a mother willing to see her own children dead simply to kill someone else’s kids. I don’t and won’t buy it. The Jews have offered much, usually at the behest of peace, and had it brutally thrown back in their faces. I admire the Jewish people for their reserve, their resolve and their courage. In a hostile world, they have endured. I stand with them.

  55. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    So what’s new?

    Since 1993, Palestinians have received more than $1.7 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID - more than from any other donor country. Some $371 million of that went to humanitarian aid and emergency response to alleviate the suffering caused by the latest Intifada.

    So what’s the real difference between the dope from Hope and George W?… :furious_tb:

  56. Unregistered Comment by antodav2007 UNITED STATES

    The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security.

    HORSESHIT, asshole! What it’s grounded in is the dangers inherent to a multi-lingual society, communication, understanding and the sharing of a common language. I live in Kalifornia, in the Central Valley. It is not racism, it is not fear, it is anger at the double standards being foisted on us by liberals and tacitly supported by Bush and the RINOS. It has to do with Bush selling us down the shitter to keep those cheap workers coming in, displacing many citizens, bankrupting hospitals, filling jails and bankrupting welfare rolls. Racism my rosey red ass! Fucking idiot, you blame racism, just like any moonbat, rather than laying the fault where it lies, right in Bush’s lap. I read the post with a growing interest, but that got me fired right up. I know it because I live it! In a town half Mexican………beware, the moonbat is leaking out.

    Please, there are no dangers to living in a multi-lingual society. The United States of America is the only country in the Western world where the average citizen only speaks one language. That’s something to be embarassed of, not a piece of heritage to be preserved. Learning to speak two or more languages helps our citizens to compete better in the global marketplace. If our educational system weren’t such a complete and total mess, every student would be required to attain fluency in at least two languages. I speak three. There’s nothing wrong with it.

    To say that a country spilling the blood of its soldiers conquering an area of land intrinsically gives the country the right to rule that land is absurd. For that matter, Saddam Hussein had the right to rule Kuwait, the Japanese had the right to rule East Asia, and Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin all had the right to rule Europe (maybe they can fight each other for it in Hell). Israel HAD the land that was given to it in the Balfour Declaration; it had no right to expand beyond those borders. Nor did the Arab states have the right to attack Israel just because it was there. Both sides behaved inappropriately.

    Bullshit and bullshit again. Show me one innocent civilian that the Israelis have deliberately targeted.

    I never said they DID target innocent civilians. I said they had behaved inappropriately. I would never suggest that the Israelis have behaved AS BAD as Hamas or Hezbollah; that doesn’t make them saints either. The United States has also made a lot of mistakes over the last one hundred years; acknowledging that doesn’t mean I hate my country. Sheesh.

    Sure, the Palestinians came from Jordan–so what?

    Ever stop to consider, then, that maybe it’s not their land???

    The Jews came from Europe, mainly. They’re both foreigners trying to occupy the same land, and they both have claims to the land that go back centuries.

    ‘Scuse me, but Israel’s claim to that land goes back millennia. Slight difference there.

    By that logic, anyone who’s a descendant of people who arrived on the Mayflower doesn’t have the right to live in the United States because the Indians arrived here centuries before we did. That’s an Idiotarian arguement, one I wholeheartedly disagree with. What, do you think the Holy Land was a barren wasteland before Jews started arriving from Europe in the 1940s? Nonsense.

    But that does not deprive us of our right to bitch at Waffleya when he fucks up.

    Hey, you have the right to bitch at the President all you want. I won’t dispute that. But I also have the right to bitch back at you for it. I’ve stood by President Bush through thick and thin for the last 5 years; I’m not ashamed of it, and nothing is going to make me turn my back on him now. You think Bush is bad? Wait until McCain or Giuliani get into office in ‘09, if not Shrillary. You’ll be BEGGING for the days of compassinonate conservatism again.

    That doesn’t mean that I support the right of Israel to rule the entire Mediterranean coast.

    That’s their land, acquired when they defeated their enemies in ‘67 and ‘73. I imagine that next, you’ll be saying that we need to give the Mexicans back Texas - eh, moron?

    Texas voluntarily chose to become part of the United States, asshole. We didn’t conquer it. Go back and study your 5th Grade history again.

    Lord Spatula, I’m not going to descend to your level with the name-calling, I’m sorry.

    Oh? Who was it that came in here sarcastically referring to the owner of this site as “your majesty” and “your highness”?

    Here’s a hint, you fucking hypocritical bastard: ‘Twasn’t me.

    Now you’re “not going to descend to [my] level with the name-calling”? PotKettleBlack™ much, son?

    LOL, yes, I suppose I was being somewhat sarcastic. But not entirely. I like this site and a lot of the stuff that Emperor Misha says. Just not his attacks on the President. Still, sarcasm does not equal namecalling. I do respect Misha, as a blogger anyway if not as “my emperor.” I just happen to disagree with him.

    True, every country is poor compared to the United States, and Mexico is better than most; however, that doesn’t change the fact that the United States should have an immigration policy that encourages legal immigration….

    Good Lord……

    You should be embarrassed at this point. The US takes in more legal immigrants each year than the rest of the world combined, which doesn’t include the illegals. Why don’t you go and check out how Mexico deals with illegals and how it militarizes its southern border with Guatemala.

    If it were up to me I’d stop all immigration for the next 5 years and cleanup the damn internal mess and that would include a southern wall.

    Glad it’s not up to you then. The United States of America tears down walls; it doesn’t build them up. Leave the grotesque wall-building to keep out foreigners to the Roman Empire, the Qing Chinese Empire, and the Soviet Empire. I’d like to keep my country a free and open society, thank you very much.

    At any rate, President Bush and the Democratic Congress will see to it that the Great Wall of America is never built, so I’m not all that concerned about it anymore.

    Oh, this may be a long night:

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    No, knucklehead, because they happen to be terrorists. Or support them. Or finance them.

    Simple way to get along with the Jewish State: Don’t attack us, we don’t kick yer ass. Is that too damn difficult for you?

    If all the current conflicts in the world involve Muhammedeans, where, sirrah, does the fault lie?

    ___________________________________

    You are a racist, and do not deserve the respect that is accorded to slime mold. Please leave this establishment before you trarnish the rest of us.

    Believe it or not, there actually ARE innocent, poor people in Damascus who are NOT Baath Party members, who don’t support their fascist government, who would like to live in a democracy, and who don’t believe in strapping bombs to their chests and blowing themselves up in crowded marketplaces. There is also a substantial number of people in Tehran who are pro-U.S., hate the Ayetollahs and Ahmadenijad, and would like to start a counterrevolution. A nuclear bomb kills our friends as well as our enemies. You’re stereotyping and generalizing entire nations of people on the basis of the actions of a few. THAT’s racism.

  57. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    The disproportiate focus of people on the far right on our border with Mexico, despite all claims to the contrary, is grounded in racism and xenophobia, not any genuine concern for national security.

    HORSESHIT, asshole! What it’s grounded in is the dangers inherent to a multi-lingual society, communication, understanding and the sharing of a common language. I live in Kalifornia, in the Central Valley. It is not racism, it is not fear, it is anger at the double standards being foisted on us by liberals and tacitly supported by Bush and the RINOS. It has to do with Bush selling us down the shitter to keep those cheap workers coming in, displacing many citizens, bankrupting hospitals, filling jails and bankrupting welfare rolls. Racism my rosey red ass! Fucking idiot, you blame racism, just like any moonbat, rather than laying the fault where it lies, right in Bush’s lap. I read the post with a growing interest, but that got me fired right up. I know it because I live it! In a town half Mexican………beware, the moonbat is leaking out.

    Please, there are no dangers to living in a multi-lingual society. The United States of America is the only country in the Western world where the average citizen only speaks one language. That’s something to be embarassed of, not a piece of heritage to be preserved. Learning to speak two or more languages helps our citizens to compete better in the global marketplace. If our educational system weren’t such a complete and total mess, every student would be required to attain fluency in at least two languages. I speak three. There’s nothing wrong with it.

    To say that a country spilling the blood of its soldiers conquering an area of land intrinsically gives the country the right to rule that land is absurd. For that matter, Saddam Hussein had the right to rule Kuwait, the Japanese had the right to rule East Asia, and Napoleon, Hitler, and Stalin all had the right to rule Europe (maybe they can fight each other for it in Hell). Israel HAD the land that was given to it in the Balfour Declaration; it had no right to expand beyond those borders. Nor did the Arab states have the right to attack Israel just because it was there. Both sides behaved inappropriately.

    Bullshit and bullshit again. Show me one innocent civilian that the Israelis have deliberately targeted.

    I never said they DID target innocent civilians. I said they had behaved inappropriately. I would never suggest that the Israelis have behaved AS BAD as Hamas or Hezbollah; that doesn’t make them saints either. The United States has also made a lot of mistakes over the last one hundred years; acknowledging that doesn’t mean I hate my country. Sheesh.

    Sure, the Palestinians came from Jordan–so what?

    Ever stop to consider, then, that maybe it’s not their land???

    The Jews came from Europe, mainly. They’re both foreigners trying to occupy the same land, and they both have claims to the land that go back centuries.

    ‘Scuse me, but Israel’s claim to that land goes back millennia. Slight difference there.

    By that logic, anyone who’s a descendant of people who arrived on the Mayflower doesn’t have the right to live in the United States because the Indians arrived here centuries before we did. That’s an Idiotarian arguement, one I wholeheartedly disagree with. What, do you think the Holy Land was a barren wasteland before Jews started arriving from Europe in the 1940s? Nonsense.

    But that does not deprive us of our right to bitch at Waffleya when he fucks up.

    Hey, you have the right to bitch at the President all you want. I won’t dispute that. But I also have the right to bitch back at you for it. I’ve stood by President Bush through thick and thin for the last 5 years; I’m not ashamed of it, and nothing is going to make me turn my back on him now. You think Bush is bad? Wait until McCain or Giuliani get into office in ‘09, if not Shrillary. You’ll be BEGGING for the days of compassinonate conservatism again.

    That doesn’t mean that I support the right of Israel to rule the entire Mediterranean coast.

    That’s their land, acquired when they defeated their enemies in ‘67 and ‘73. I imagine that next, you’ll be saying that we need to give the Mexicans back Texas - eh, moron?

    Texas voluntarily chose to become part of the United States, asshole. We didn’t conquer it. Go back and study your 5th Grade history again.

    Lord Spatula, I’m not going to descend to your level with the name-calling, I’m sorry.

    Oh? Who was it that came in here sarcastically referring to the owner of this site as “your majesty” and “your highness”?

    Here’s a hint, you fucking hypocritical bastard: ‘Twasn’t me.

    Now you’re “not going to descend to [my] level with the name-calling”? PotKettleBlack™ much, son?

    LOL, yes, I suppose I was being somewhat sarcastic. But not entirely. I like this site and a lot of the stuff that Emperor Misha says. Just not his attacks on the President. Still, sarcasm does not equal namecalling. I do respect Misha, as a blogger anyway if not as “my emperor.” I just happen to disagree with him.

    True, every country is poor compared to the United States, and Mexico is better than most; however, that doesn’t change the fact that the United States should have an immigration policy that encourages legal immigration….

    Good Lord……

    You should be embarrassed at this point. The US takes in more legal immigrants each year than the rest of the world combined, which doesn’t include the illegals. Why don’t you go and check out how Mexico deals with illegals and how it militarizes its southern border with Guatemala.

    If it were up to me I’d stop all immigration for the next 5 years and cleanup the damn internal mess and that would include a southern wall.

    Glad it’s not up to you then. The United States of America tears down walls; it doesn’t build them up. Leave the grotesque wall-building to keep out foreigners to the Roman Empire, the Qing Chinese Empire, and the Soviet Empire. I’d like to keep my country a free and open society, thank you very much.

    At any rate, President Bush and the Democratic Congress will see to it that the Great Wall of America is never built, so I’m not all that concerned about it anymore.

    Oh, this may be a long night:

    Racism comes into this when you talk about dropping nuclear bombs on cities in the Middle East and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians just because they happen to not be Jewish.

    No, knucklehead, because they happen to be terrorists. Or support them. Or finance them.

    Simple way to get along with the Jewish State: Don’t attack us, we don’t kick yer ass. Is that too damn difficult for you?

    If all the current conflicts in the world involve Muhammedeans, where, sirrah, does the fault lie?

    ___________________________________

    You are a racist, and do not deserve the respect that is accorded to slime mold. Please leave this establishment before you trarnish the rest of us.

    Believe it or not, there actually ARE innocent, poor people in Damascus who are NOT Baath Party members, who don’t support their fascist government, who would like to live in a democracy, and who don’t believe in strapping bombs to their chests and blowing themselves up in crowded marketplaces. There is also a substantial number of people in Tehran who are pro-U.S., hate the Ayetollahs and Ahmadenijad, and would like to start a counterrevolution. A nuclear bomb kills our friends as well as our enemies. You’re stereotyping and generalizing entire nations of people on the basis of the actions of a few. THAT’s racism.

  58. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    NCLivingBrit, I’m dismayed by it but there’s no doubt they are extremely restrained under the circumstances. If I were in charge I wouldn’t allow it.

    Yeah, I’m not sure I could sleep at night knowing that the men and women under my care were dying daily because of bowing to the pressure of the Muslim influenced West and well-meaning (that’s a -heap- of benefit of the doubt there) but naive fools who believe that compromise works with people who want you, your family and your nation to be nothing more than forgotten ashes.

    But then again, I have a limited tolerance for letting folks shoot at me when I have the means to do something about it…..

  59. antodav Comment by antodav UNITED STATES

    I see the lying Nazi loving piss boy repeats the “semetic” shite.

    The term was created by German proto-Nazi William Marr in 1879 to replace the more honest term “Judenhass.” It always and everywhere means anti-Jewish bigotry to honest individuals.

    Nice catch, LC P, that one really stood out to me too.

    I remember only too well when, back in my home country, we were, erm, “surveilling” neo-Nazis to keep track of them.

    One of their favorite rhetorical tricks was the “Arabs are Semites too” meme. They thought it was an ever-so-clever way of deflecting the anti-Semitism charge that would land them in jail, but what they didn’t realize was that it was a particular tactic that not a single one of the other subversive groups used, so it pretty much served as an immediate identifier.

    The “clever” ones among them would avoid any direct references to Holocaust denial or accusations that “the Jooos are the reason for all evil” because they knew it was a dead give-away, but invariably they’d trip themselves over the “Arabs are Semites too” meme when accused of being anti-Semites, and they’d be done for right after that.

    So I wasn’t surprised when the Stormfront acolyte Antodav tripped himself up, not in the least bit. It was only a matter of time. He DID, however, resist the temptation for quite a while.

    Fucking neo-Nazi swine.

    Emperor, I’m sorry, but taking issue with certain elements of Israeli foreign policy does NOT automatically make you a holocaust-denying, neo-Nazi swine. Just as attacking the President of the United States in the way you have does not automatically make you an America-hating, baby-killing, ass-fucking left-wing hippie.

    Furthermore, the fact that you accuse me of denying the holocaust does not change the fact that not only have I not, but I used it as an example of what NOT to do. The Holocaust HAPPENED, OK? Let me say it again, THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED. ADOLF HITLER REALLY DID ROUND 6 MILLION JEWS/GYPSIES/HOMOSEXUALS/COMMUNISTS INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND HAVE THEM GASSED, TORTURED, EXPERIMENTED ON, BURNED IN OVENS, ETC. It was horrible. It was evil. It was one of the worst atrocities ever commmitted in the history of mankind. No sane person wants it to happen again–certainly not me.

    Seeing Israel attacked with a nuclear weapon and being wiped off the face of the Earth is one of my biggest nightmares. That’s what could very easily happen if the Iranians are allowed to acquire nukes–and thus the world’s inaction on that issue frustrates me to no end. I am currently working to get a new documentary, “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West,” shown at my college. I plan to work together with Christian, Jewish, and even Muslim groups to get that important documentary shown. It directly addresses the issues at the heart of the War on Terror and tries to raise awareness of just how serious the threat is. I don’t want to see Israel destroyed. I love Israel. Israel is our friend. Israel is one of the only friends America has in the world. Israel should be given all the support they deserve.

    That does NOT, however, mean that when Israel fucks up, they don’t deserve to be criticized for it too. And that’s what the war last year was: a complete and total fuck-up. You can blame Bush and America for it all you like, but the bottom line is that Sharon chose a bad time and a bad way to start a war that was very poorly executed–a blemish in the long, proud history of Israel’s military. It isn’t an attack on Israel to say that–it’s a criticism of the policy of the government of Israel, which has nothing to do with anti-Semitism, nothing to do with Naziism. Lord knows, America gets bitched at for every single thing in the world that we do wrong; I don’t see why we should be the only beast of burden in the world.

    I think you people are so used to seeing anyone who says anything not-wonderful about Israel being a deranged terrorist-loving left-wing extremist that you have developed a kneejerk reaction to anyone who says anything that even remotely smacks of being anti-Israeli. I assure you, I’m not one of those people.

    Hell, I’ll change my fucking avatar if it’s really going to be that big of a problem for you, since apparently you can’t read the words “Official Seal of the Democratic Party” around the edges and realize that IT’S A FUCKING PARODY!!!

    I’ve never been to a board where people were more uptight and got bent out of shape so easily. Every single one of you needs to find the nearest cheap whore and get yourselves a nice, long, eye-popping blow job. It might improve your disposition some.

  60. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    Oh, I just can’t imagine why the Danes wouldn’t like Nazis…

    Heh.

    We had our reasons, that’s for sure. Which is why we kept a close eye on the swine, tracked their every movement and knew every last damn thing they ever did. After a while, you develop a way of being able to smell them from a long way away.

    They may have thought that they were safe and free to move as they pleased, and in a way they were, free country and all that, but their lives weren’t easy, for strange reasons. More than a few of them committed suicide as a result of the adversities thrown in their path for seemingly no reason at all. One of them was a quite high-ranking figure within their disgusting “movement”, and apparently he killed himself because he, for no obvious reason, couldn’t quite find anybody willing to employ him, and his papers kept getting screwed up. I wonder why that might be.

    I’d like to pretend I feel bad about that but, then again, they were Nazis.

  61. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog UNITED STATES

    But a hundred innocent people dead is still too many for a conflict that was an immense overreaction to begin with.

    I wonder if you would think that if it was your brother or father who had been kidnapped from your own sovereign soil. Soil they were risking their lives to defend! Fuck you, Autosuck! Israel has bent over backwards to accomodate the palis and got nothing but grief for their kindness.
    Nobody was a stronger supporter of W after 9-11 than yours truly. I have disagreed more than once with people here about W and his policies. But the continual backpedalling and sell out of this admin is disgusting. He talks shit and that’s what it ends up being. SHIT!
    If he gets off his ass, finds his balls and starts beating people over the head with ‘em, he’ll see his support and approval go up. People love a winner, not a limp-dick sad sack and that is how he is acting.
    Now STFU!

  62. LC Mrs. M Comment by LC Mrs. M

    Somewhat O/T but highlights a point that antodave failed to appreciate. Misha you may find this interesting..since it’s over in your neck of the woods.

  63. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon UNITED STATES

    Well I’ve stayed out of it until now but I read a few of the posts before, and… well, how do I put it?? To some degree I sympathize with anotdav… oh he’s still a blind idiot who’s refused to see the truth when it was staring him in the face, but I still sympathize somewhat. I really WISH that I COULD still support Bush. I want to VERY badly. After all, as bad as he is, he’s still a heck of a lot better than glowball-worming-al or troops-are-stupid-al-querry. But it’s no longer possible to support him, and it is his own fault that is so.

    After all, those of you who read my first post here probably thought I was as big an idiot as antodav… ‘course part of my problem was I was misreading misha’s words a bit. Once you explained what you really meant and a pointed out a few spots where I meant one thing and said another (and corrected a few mistaken assumptions of mine) I realized I’d missed a few things.

    And it didn’t help my previous support for Bush any that he didn’t take much longer to prove you right after all. I wish it weren’t true, but he quickly turned out to be a weak-kneed fart who could talk the talk but then wouldn’t walk the walk. And I use the word “wouldn’t” very deliberately. If he would find his balls again and remember that he IS still the president — no matter what queen nancy and the rest of her moonbat crew think — he could yet turn things around. I just have lost any realistic hope he will do so.

    RH

  64. Agent Orange Comment by Agent Orange MALAYSIA

    This says it all.

  65. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7 KUWAIT

    Lordy look at all I missed…

    Antodave where do you draw the line in the sand?

    95% Of the reason Bush is no longer liked by his base, those on this blog, and Ummm oh 70% Precent or there abouts of the populus is because either they are raving moonbats suffering from (BDS) Bush Derangment Syndrome (apox. 48%) or for the other 52% of America that voted his sorry wannabe a conservative ass into office …the man was given a CONSERVATIVE mandate in 2004, he publicly spoke of that mandate in his victory speech, (I remember it clearly as I was driving home from work and listened to it in its entirity on VOA here in Kuwait). And he has thus so far ignored that mandate 100%.

    How many times can Bush and his cabinet and those in the state department move that line in the sand further to the left, and ignore the will of the American people that put them there before TRUE conservatives such as myself and others give up and wash our hands of him.

    Lets review shall we?

    Presided over the LARGEST INCREASE IN GOVERNMENT in the countries history which is in direct conflict with the conservative principle of limited governmental powers…Check.

    Has forced amnesty for illegals down the peoples throat and told them to “shut up and color” …again in direct conflict with 99.99999 percent of the conservatives in this country who have NO animosity towards Mexico or her citizens but instead all that we ask is they follow the path of ALL of us or our ancestors (except the Native American Indians) and enter the country LEGALLY and become PRODUCTIVE members of our scoiety…CHECK

    Has refused to veto a single spending bill for boondoggles and pork barrel spending …again in direct conflict with the wishes of the American People…..CHECK

    And now as a further slap in the face and against a majority of conservatives that brought him and his RINO butt ranging buddies to power…is asking for 83 BILLIONS (thats billions WITH A “B” there Antodave) to fund a so called political entity called the “PA”.

    And thats just the begining of the so called Bush legacy….We dont even have to go into the Medicare prescription boobdoggle, the pathetic pandering to total miscreants like Al-Sadr in Iraq… hidden tax increases all the while having the gall to tell us “I cut your taxes”…etc

    Does Mr. Bush think we have no memory? Does he think that we do not remember those screaming in sheer ectasy in the streets of Palistine on 9/11? Does he not think we do not see any of the Palastinians for what they truly are, which is hell bent on the destructuion of a sovergin nation….Does he really belive we are that fucking stupid and gullible ? ?

    He must… AND…. Sir you certainly are that gulliable I’ll stop short of the stupid part..I’ll just say “your buying a bad bill of goods and not checking the fine print” mmmmok?…you have the memory span of a gnat and the intellect to boot..you’re a conservative like a jackle is a nice cuddly puppy to give your children for christmas….

    Now please run along …go watch fear factor or survivor or MTV, MSNBC, CNN…whatever mindless drivel it is you watch… and garner your understanding of the world from..the adults are talking…

  66. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7 KUWAIT

    sorry…correction thats supposed to MILLION with an M..not billion…/wipes egg off his face

  67. sig94 Comment by sig94 UNITED STATES

    You can’t ignore the religious context of this discussion. It isn’t that there can be no compromise with the Paleosimians, there can be no compromise with Muslims.

    Israel is dealing with Pisslam, a religion that views them as subhumans and seeks their complete and utter annihilation, same as the Nazis.

    And we kill Nazis.

    The end.

    Antodav, give your ass a breather and rest your head back on your shoulders for a spell, m’kay? Just look at what the Pisslamic nations are still doing to other religious beliefs within their borders. These SOB’s cannot tolerate any other belief system because their very existence is a personal insult to their demon-god. Until they relinquish this murderous focus there will never be any movement towards peace in the middle east.

    Don’t believe it? How many Irish Catholics are blowing themselves up lately? Baptists? Hindus? (well, mebbe a handful), Buddhists? Shinoists? Taoists? Take all the terrorist inspired murders in the world today - how many are inspired by Pisslam?

  68. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Oh, one other thing, Anto:

    A Palestinian state has never existed in the Holy Land in the way it does right now. We’ve tried it before, we’re trying it again, if it doesn’t work now, we’ll stop again and maybe try again later

    What’s one of the definitions of insanity?  Doing the same thing over & over again, expecting a different result…?

  69. Unregistered Comment by Lupos87 UNITED STATES

    Antodav, I understand where you’re coming from. If there will ever be hope for peace in the ME then we have to keep trying to get the Palestinians to compromise. I do feel sorry for president “whatever the hell his name is” for having to abide over such a turbulant (in the lightest terms) nation. I also agree with Sig that the religion of Islam has caused a lot of the problems that muslims and jews have with each other. I do believe though that now may be a better time than ever to try one more time to mediate a compromise. I think it would be the perfect scenario for W to regain credibility. What’s the worst that can happen? It’s not like things can get worse for Israel in regards to domestic terrorism by religious nutbags. It’s also unlikely that any arab neighbors could do any extensive damage to them in conventional warfare. Israel and Palestine honestly have nothing to lose.

  70. franksalterego Comment by franksalterego UNITED STATES

    If I may paraphrase:

    “You can’t please all the people, all the time.”

    This is particularly true in politics…Concessions, even those, that go against your principles, have to be made, in order to “Please the most people, most of the time.”

    Do I like funding any part of the “Paleos”…No, of course not…And, I don’t believe the president does either.

    But, there’s a political price to be paid, for NOT doing SOMETHING.

    I’m not going to throw him under the bus…The ALTERNATIVES are a whole lot WORSE.

  71. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    Former Fatah official to Al-Qaeda: “We hate the Americans more than you!”

    Good job Bush.

    I completely understand how some of the well-intentioned LC’s want Israel to deal with the terrorists. I obviously don’t see it that way and I ask you would you continue a business relaptionship or a friendship if you were to be stabbed in the back repeatedly?

    A tiger cannot change his stripes. Churchill made a similar statement about being eaten last by the alligator.

    Arabs have some of the wealthiest nations. If a terro state is going toi be funded let them do it. When it is time Israel will deal with the Islamic cancer within its midst, if they haven’t totally lost their will to survive.

    Last thing I want to say is that there is no Palestine. It is a name the Romans gave, Palestine has never had a capitol, from 1918 - 1948 the term “Palestinian” referred to anyone native to the land, which
    included Jew, Christian, Muslim or Druze. The land of Judea and Sumaria, birthplace of Judaism, is the Jews land. And then we have the Bible, which I don’t use as an argument for ownership, but it is clearly stated that the land of Israel is God’s gift to the Jews who have walked that land from time immemorial.

    The muslim marauders swept through the middle east converting by the sword and massacring by the sword. Egypt and Syria were predominantly Christian, you had the Assyrian empire, and there were other pockets of Christianity. But no, it is the Jews that “stole” land and must negotiate with these animals and make concessions. No more. Give unadulterated violence and mass deportations out of Gaza, Judea and Samaria a shot.

    “And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying: 2 ‘Command the children of Israel, and say unto them: When ye come into the land of Canaan, this shall be the land that shall fall unto you for an inheritance, even the land of Canaan according to the borders thereof. 3 Thus your south side shall be from the wilderness of Zin close by the side of Edom, and your south border shall begin at the end of the Salt Sea eastward; 4 and your border shall turn about southward of the ascent of Akrabbim, and pass along to Zin; and the goings out thereof shall be southward of Kadesh-barnea; and it shall go forth to Hazar-addar, and pass along to Azmon; 5 and the border shall turn about from Azmon unto the Brook of Egypt, and the goings out thereof shall be at the Sea. 6 And for the western border, ye shall have the Great Sea for a border; this shall be your west border. 7 And this shall be your north border: from the Great Sea ye shall mark out your line unto mount Hor; 8 from mount Hor ye shall mark out a line unto the entrance to Hamath; and the goings out of the border shall be at Zedad; 9 and the border shall go forth to Ziphron, and the goings out thereof shall be at Hazar-enan; this shall be your north border. 10 And ye shall mark out your line for the east border from Hazar-enan to Shepham; 11 and the border shall go down from Shepham to Riblah, on the east side of Ain; and the border shall go down, and shall strike upon the slope of the sea of Chinnereth eastward; 12 and the border shall go down to the Jordan, and the goings out thereof shall be at the Salt Sea; this shall be your land according to the borders thereof round about.’ 13 And Moses commanded the children of Israel, saying: ‘This is the land wherein ye shall receive inheritance by lot, which the LORD hath commanded to give unto the nine tribes, and to the half-tribe; 14 for the tribe of the children of Reuben according to their fathers’ houses, and the tribe of the children of Gad according to their fathers’ houses, have received, and the half-tribe of Manasseh have received, their inheritance; 15 the two tribes and the half-tribe have received their inheritance beyond the Jordan at Jericho eastward, toward the sun-rising.’ {P}

  72. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher UNITED STATES

    Antodav:

    Could you please explain to me why dropping two thermo-nuclear warheads on Damascus and Tehran whould not improve things in the mid-east?

    NOT ALL ARAB MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. Nuking Damascus and Tehran would result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people and result in not only widespread condemnation on the global scale, but also retaliation that woudl draw both the United States and Israel as well as much of the rest of the world into a larger war that would kill billions. Have I made it simple enough for you?

    No … not all muslims are terrorists. But the governments of Syria and Iran are committing acts of war against the US and its client state, Iraq. When your government picks fights it can’t win, and your cities are endanger of being obliterated, it is the responsibility of those citizens to replace that government … if they fail, they get the same treatment the Japanese and Germans got during WWII … utter destruction.

    Dropping nukes on those two cities will probably put an end to this violence as effectively as it ended Japanese resistance. If it doesn’t, well … we have more nukes.

    The US, China, Russia, France, and Britain dropped a bunch of nukes in the ’50s and ’60s … I don’t see a lot of three-eyed mutants wandering about … so I can write off your fallout fears. The fallout will be hard on people in Syria and Iran … too fucking bad.

    And do you really think China and Russia will start WW IV for the sake of two annoying Islamic/Arab States? No that is not going to happen.

  73. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.

    Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.

    Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels” into the targets. “Mini-nukes” would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.

    “As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,” said one of the sources.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2535310,00.html

    The attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is inevitable. The Israeli’s have said the will attack once the facilities are fully capable of producing a nuke, the Israeli’s will not wait until the Iranians actually have the nuke. What makes this announcement a first is that it has been acknowledged that nuclear tipped bunkerbusters will be used.

    The Israeli’s are currently practicing 3 flight routes.

    My question to the many military LC’s is how much damage could a conventional bunkerbuster[s] do on a 70’ concrete barrier? Could a nuclear tipped bunkerbuster take out 70’ of concrete on its own? Also it is my understanding that the US has only supplied Israel with 500 lb conventional bunkerbusters and no 1000 or 2000 lb ones. The nuclear material is the Israelis.

    The reason for the announcement, imao, is to prepare the world for the unavoidable.

    The game is on. Israel will repeat history as it did when she destroyed Saddamy’s nuclear reactor while the world sat on its hands. Israel was chastised then but ultimately thanked decades later and the same will happen here. Bush better back Israel and defend them as should all freedom loving democracies of the world.

  74. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    ****The Israeli’s are currently practicing 3 2 flight routes.

  75. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    “As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,” said one of the sources.

    I don’t see how it could be one strike one mission if there are multiple sites and up to 3 redundant sites in case of an attack. Iran has prepared very well for this and one strike is impossible, imao.

  76. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    My question to the many military LC’s is how much damage could a conventional bunkerbuster[s] do?

    That’s a lot of concrete, Apollyon> I can only venture the Israelis have taken that into consideration. No doubt a nuke of sufficient power could and would do the job. An H bomb can take out a mountain. And lets not forget the seismic effects of such a subterranean detonation. What is the surrounding strata, solid rock, soil? Would their plan be to blow it out of the ground, letting the fall back destroy the facility? Of course you just up the ante with a few more kay tees and it becomes moot. And like you, I feel it enevitable. And God help the global economy when it does happen. Even so, I have, do and would continue to support Israel.

  77. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    LC HJ Caveman, the article says the force of the nuclear tipped bunkerbuster would be 1/15 of the Hiroshima bomb.

    I remember seeing concrete structure still standing in Hiroshima / Nagasaki after the explosion while everything else was reduced to matchsticks. The Israelis might be going in a little light.

  78. LC Mrs. M Comment by LC Mrs. M

    What destroyed Hiroshima was not so much the bomb itself, but the firestorm that erupted. 80-90% of the buildings were wood contruction. Most Military and Government buildings were mortar and concrete. Hiroshima also sat in a bowl shaped landscape. Perfect for containing the power in one concentrated area. Once the bomb detonated you had a massive fire eruption that could not be contained by any means. That city was built to burn. Not to mention that it was divided into several sections by rivers that the only access to another section was by bridges with were either instantly obliterated, or became clogged with debris and bodies (dead and dying) which kept emergency units from being able to move to the areas they needed to get to.
    I’m not sure about what type of building materials or how the landscape is situated…but if they are going to try a nuke, it should be in attempting a subterranean event. After seeing the destruction of that quake in Pakistan…I would say that would cause the desired destruction. Not that I have any expertise in that area by any means…but it seems to make sense to me.

  79. LC Mrs. M Comment by LC Mrs. M

    Well crap..that last part should have read:

    I’m not sure about what type of building materials or how the landscape is situated in IRAN

    PIMF

  80. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie UNITED STATES

    Apollyon

    I don’t see how it could be one strike one mission if there are multiple sites and up to 3 redundant sites in case of an attack. Iran has prepared very well for this and one strike is impossible, imao.

    The Mosad is damn good. Maybe they have identified one or two key vital targets. You can only build in so many redundancies.

    As to the technical aspects, once again the Israelis are good and I’m sure they have planned well.

  81. sig94 Comment by sig94 UNITED STATES

    The Hiroshima/Nagasaki events were air bursts:
    1) Hiroshima , 15 kilotons at approx. 580 meters above the city and
    2)Nagasaki , 21 kilotons at approx.500 meters above the city.

    The blast effects (over pressure) will be different if detonated below the surface.

  82. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    The United States of America is the only country in the Western world where the average citizen only speaks one language. That’s something to be embarassed of, not a piece of heritage to be preserved.

    My gosh! antodav you are a dull witted lad, aren’t you?

    Why do you think I put that who USAID funding crapola in posting # 55? It was to show you that even though this country’s taxpayers have poured in excess of a billion extorted tax dollars to the goddamn FELONIOUS & SOCIOPATHIC WETBACKS of the middle east and it hasn’t solved a damn thing except to help make sure another generation of terrorist towel heads grows up to kill and cripple more Israelis….

    Have you read: “The Innocents Abroad”? (http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3176)

    Many of these same sons of bitches can speak more than one language too! So what? What does that do for the dead and maimed Israelis?

    antodav did you think Arafat was a so called Palestinian?

  83. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

    Palestine was so named by the Romans. It comes from the root word Philistine. It was a salt-in-the-wound action taken by the Romans to further insult the Israelites by changing the name of THEIR land.

  84. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    Oh, and as an update on the whole mess, after having talked to you via email and re-read this whole thread a bit, I want to apologize to you, Antodav, for calling you a Nazi.

    I had my reasons, but it still seems that, disagree vehemently though we still do, I was too quick on the trigger there.

    Sorry about that. That particular accusation is a very serious one and I prefer to reserve it for those who truly deserve it.

  85. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

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