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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » There’ll Always be an England

But it’ll probably not be called “England” anymore, and it’s a fair bet that the language might not be English if they carry on like this (link ripped off of LC & IB Mike):

Every day in London - on the tube, in shops, in parks, whilst shopping, whilst going about the 101 tasks that make up an average life - this is borne in on me.

In London today moslems dress differently, are rude to locals, jump queues, shout at us, wave their fists at us, call us ‘worthless infidel’ in public and in loud voices. I have, just four days ago, been elbowed aside by a moslem couple, with sidekicks, whilst trying to top up my Oyster card at a tube station at the automatic machine. Apparently, I had taken longer than the ten seconds that they were prepared to wait and so three burly males forced me aside and, when I objected, pushed me to the floor and - quite literally - and took over the machine which I was attempting to use.

Not, in a crowded and impatient city like London that this was a surprise, but that in this instance that I was insulted by these people was a surprise. The eldest male in the group, dressed in the usual and ridiculous garb of mohammedans everywhere, looked directly at me amd said, in quite clear English, (and I quote verbatim) “Get out of our way infidel slave”.

You may imagine how I felt at that moment. To be so insulted in my own capital city was stunning. It took all my self-control not to do something rash at that moment.

Knowing that CCTV cameras would have captured this incident I complained, some three hours later (after having completed my journey and return), to the British Transport Police on the Broadway. I need not have bothered. Not only would no-one there take my complaint of ‘technical assault and insult’ seriously but no-one to whom I spoke was even prepared to initiate any paperwork whatsoever nor were they remotely prepared to find and look at the video recordings. Indeed, one Officer even said to me that I ’should swallow my pride’ and live with it because - and, once again, I quote verbatim ‘you are just being racist and you have to remember that it’s cultural with them’.

Obviously, at this point, I indicated that I felt that I had been physically assaulted and that I would really like to have my complaint investigated. Well, this is really where everything about that evening begins to stick in my craw. When I said that, the Officer of the BTP who was listening to me actually cautioned me and warned me that if I persisted with making a nuisance of myself I would be charged under the The Race Relations Act 1976 and the RRAA (Race Relations (Amendment) Act) 2000.

I gave up at this point.

That’s just an excerpt. For more, go read the whole post, but be sure to take your blood pressure medication (if applicable) first.

So a native Englishman is insulted with racist epithets and physically assaulted as well, and the so-called “police” does not merely NOT want to take his complaint, they actually threaten the VICTIM with charges of “racism” if he persists in seeking protection under the law.

Goodbye, England.

Alas, we knew you well.

49 Responses to “There’ll Always be an England”
  1. BITOA Comment by BITOA UNITED STATES

    CIVIL WAR, THE SOONER THE BETTER

  2. Muzzy Comment by Muzzy UNITED KINGDOM

    I’m sorry, but I’ve gotta call bullshit on this. I’ve lived in Manchester and Birmingham - both with a higher per capita Muslim population than London - as well as London itself and have never, not once ever, experienced anything like the writer of this article.

  3. HoundOfDoom Comment by HoundOfDoom UNITED STATES

    Gun control in action. Or perhaps just another sheeple getting a taste of the future. can you imagine what would happen if this was tried on an armed American?

  4. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I UNITED STATES

    Oh, I’m sure they’re all lying, Muzzy.

    Every single one of the Brits quoted in that article, not to mention every single one ever mentioned anywhere else with similar experiences.

    All of them liars.

    Because only Muslims never ever lie. We all know that.

  5. Wild-Eyed Charlie Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie UNITED STATES

    It’s sad to hear that the 22nd SAS vets haven’t kept up on thier, ahem, “quals.”
    _______________________________
    We will NOT submit…

  6. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather UNITED STATES

    Great comment (#4), Sire.

    That was just what I was thinking when I read Muzzy’s comment, as well.

    With all due respect, Muzzy, pull your head out of your arse and smell the coffee (or should I say “kaffir”?).

    Too bad the English guy could not have least blown their kneecaps to bits.

    Scum.

  7. Muzzy Comment by Muzzy UNITED KINGDOM

    Oh, don’t get me wrong. I’m very clued up on the dangers of Islamofascism. I’ve just never experienced the kind of overt intimidation detailed in the article. Neither, to the best of my knowledge, have any of my friends. Maybe ‘bullshit’ was too strong a word, as I certainly didn’t mean to imply that such incidents were beyond the realm of possibility. I just wanted to say that, while the cited article may be alarming, it really doesn’t give a complete picture of life in London. I truly believe such episodes are extremely rare.

  8. Unregistered Comment by 230Gr JHP UNITED STATES

    It is amazing what gun control does for public safety-Three men attacking one in Arizona justifies the use of deadly force-try it here and the pedophile prophet better get 216 raisons ready!!

  9. Dick Comment by Dick

    You may imagine how I felt at that moment. To be so insulted in my own capital city was stunning. It took all my self-control not to do something rash at that moment.

    I’d hurt the pricks, then get mean.

  10. Unregistered Comment by teqjack UNITED STATES

    The varied bureaucracies of England, if not the whole UK, have forgotten that governments exist to protect (or avenge) the citizenry.

    A few days ago, a number of prisoners [again] escaped form a British jail. Among them, two murderers. But pictures of the two will not be released, because that would be a violation of their privacy - it can only be done “… where officers believe that the named suspect may be a danger to the public.” Killers are no danger, of course.

    ‘Wanted’ photos ‘may breach rights’

  11. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

    I truly believe such episodes are extremely rare.

    It’s not that such attacks must be common that is the question. It’s that a citizen is attacked, and the police won’t seek justice on behalf of the victim. This is what “Tolerance” and “Political Correctness” begets. Everyone is paralyzed with the fear that taking action against obvious criminals that are a part of the “protected” minority, will turn you into a pariah. Then the very law you’re sworn to uphold will come down on YOUR head like a sledge hammer. Enough with these scum already! Assimilate to western culture, or leave, or die.

  12. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    A few days ago, a number of prisoners [again] escaped form a British jail. Among them, two murderers. But pictures of the two will not be released, because that would be a violation of their privacy - it can only be done “… where officers believe that the named suspect may be a danger to the public.” Killers are no danger, of course.

    Eurabia should just drop on all fours facing east with their asses in the air and be done with it.

    My next business venture will be opening Apollyon’s Burqas ‘n Falafels™ shops throughout Eurabia.

  13. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie UNITED STATES

    You mean to tell me in a country where a neighbor can call the police and he can be arrested because they “think” he may be harboring violent thought’s, that when a clear cut case of battery (or whatever they call it in England) happens, and is caught on Big Brothers f’ng snooping CCTV’s, nothing is done?

    WTF OVER?

  14. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane

    I don’t really give a rat’s ass about PC bull, what amazes me is that people would just stand arond while shi’ite like this goes on. Bunch of damned sheep. This kind of crap starts happening around here and I predict a few moo-slimes being taught water-skiing in seven devils swamp.

    We need the “Moslem Exclusion Law” I’ve seen bandied about on other sites, the doors to our country need to be slammed in the faces of these seventh century throwbacks, and keep our ccountry for those who built it and prootected itfor centuries not for the ali-come-lately asshats for allah.

    To paraphrase the Duke, “There ain;t enough room for rag-heads in this land.”

    P.S.; What’s with the “your post has been aproved” page? I’ve never seen it before. Hope this isn’t a precursor to anything untoward.

  15. Brian the sailor Comment by Brian the sailor UNITED STATES

    Misha, I’m already on blood pressure meds, and it’s just keeping my head from exploding. I couldn’t click on the link. The excerpt you posted was quite enough.

    They need to import some Texan rednecks to London for an extended visit. Where are their soccer hooligans when you need them? Brittania Rule the Waves? God Save the Queen? What happened? Where did they lose their gonads? This is the land of my ancestors!

    DAMN!

  16. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    There will be no Churchill to save Britain this time around. Muzzy’s comment is noted but we’ve read enough stories from Britain to know that it’s way past anecdotal evidence.

    We too face an uphill fight against politicians who’ve sold us out. Our political jackals are Hellbent on turning the US into a Latin shithole. There’s a reason why millions upon millions of Latinos [particularly Mexicans] jump the borders into the great Estados Unidos. It’s because we’re NOT like them. But our wise jackals say, NO! Our destiny is to become like the latin shitholes tens of millions are fleeing from.

    Orlando Garcia, 19, and Alejandro Guana, 17, remain in custody while awaiting arraignment in connection with the shooting death of Tennessee Highway Patrol trooper Calvin Jenks Saturday night.

    According to Tipton County Sheriff’s Dept. Chief Deputy Clark Dunlap, Garcia is in the Tipton County Jail, while Guana is in juvenile detention in Memphis.

    “It will be at least Tuesday before they are arraigned,” Dunlap said Monday morning. “No formal charges have been filed as yet.”

    http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

    I’m sure the parents of these Hispanic bottom feeders were illegals that gave birth to their vermin on our soil thus making them legal parasites.

    Our fucking sellout whores and El Presidente Bushito will just tell us how these slugs were transporting the drugs Americans wont transport.

    I pray the next victims of the illegal Mexican murdering filth are the family members, including children, of our political whores. Maybe once the jackals children are slain then they may do something, until then innocent Americans will continue to be victimized.

    The reckoning will come.

  17. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie UNITED STATES

    Brian the squid, (sorry couldn’t resist :tongue3_tb:)

    This is the land of my ancestors!

    Don’t feel bad, at least your ancestors kicked my ancestors (the *spit* Fwench) collective asses! Imagine how I feel!

  18. Brian the sailor Comment by Brian the sailor UNITED STATES

    Oh, but should point out to Muzzy that I’ve spent all told about a year in predominantly Muslim countries, and with VERY rare exceptions, I’ve been treated with courtesy and hospitality.

    So, yeah, I can understand your skepticism (sp?).

  19. Brian the sailor Comment by Brian the sailor UNITED STATES

    chrunchie,
    I think we pretty much took turns kicking each others’ ass on and off over the period of a few centuries. Keeps us from getting complacent, you know.

  20. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie UNITED STATES

    True Brian, but at least your ancestral homeland didn’t turn into a bunch of surrender monkeys. My muti-Great Uncle was a General De Infantrie under Napoleon who died from traumatic amputation of a shell splintered knee at Liepzig. He dug his self out of the grave in 2001 and kicked Chirac in the nuts.

  21. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    OT [sorry]……………

    The first baby born in America in 2007 was born to illegals.

    This is a fucking J O K E !!

    The only thing that can save this country now is a nuclear strike on DC.

  22. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    it is better to be alive than dead no matter what the cost.

    When a British subject writes these words in earnest, my heart quietly weeps. I can trace an ancestor back to Jamestown. I think ‘rude awakening’ is a polite term for what they might expect trying this with me in my own country. Too much history to surrender without a $#@$%^%##%! fight.

  23. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84 UNITED STATES

    can you imagine what would happen if this was tried on an armed American?

    I know what would happen. There would be two dead towelheads.

  24. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    it is better to be alive than dead no matter what the cost.

    That ranks as one of the most disgusting statements I have ever read. I pity the man making it, for his soul will die a thousand deaths before his body dies one. Too high a price to pay, in my mind.

  25. Agent Orange Comment by Agent Orange MALAYSIA

    The victim was left-of-center and a gay. Will that help convince the Left as to whom they should side with?

  26. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon UNITED STATES

    Oh nooes, agent orange, you can’t give the libtards a choice like that. They will spend the next five years contemplating their navels before asking Syria and Iran to negotiate with them and determine what is the best exit strategy to get them out of such a connundrum…

    RH

  27. Panzermann403 Comment by Panzermann403 UNITED KINGDOM

    I have been living in London for 5 months now (socialist labor market laws in my Fatherland be damned…). There are boroughs in London, try Aldgate for example, where you feel more like Tehran than London. Two thirds of the women completely veiled, most men in traditional muslim clothes and even in the light of day you are eyed with a lot hostility if you are obviously western.

    But having spoken with many English colleagues, there is a very strong discontent with the current handling of this threat. It is just that the Brits are, by and large, very tolerant to pain. I cannot explain or express it any other way. It takes a really long time to get them angry and going (remember Chamberlain ?), but they get mad and when they do, it’s a reaction that’s not to be messed with.

    Believe me guys, even if England and the whole of Europe seems doomed, England and the other proud nations (I cannot really talk for the modern-day French) will stand up and will counter that threat from within.

    And as a side-effect you can expect a whole lot of that stupid anti-Americanism that infects the European left to be swept aside as well.

    The situation may seem grave, but Europe is stronger than it seems.

  28. Cannon Fodder Comment by Cannon Fodder

    Who knows, maybe he shouldn’t have said anything about race in his initial complaint. Would have been interesting to know what the reaction was if they thought it was just 3 guys that were being imoatient and knocked him down and took over the machine.

    As for the incident as it was stated. I would have told him he could charge me as he liked turned and left, then sought out a news agency that was interested in the story. That for starters anyway. Violence of my own would come next.

  29. Xystus Comment by Xystus

    I was gonna not read the post, then remembered that I’d just had my blood pressure checked Monday & it’s still good–a bright spot among my chronic middle-age-obese ailments.

    And we US LCs think our country needs liberation?! It may soon be time to land on the Scepter’d Isle’s shores & throw down a government devoted to national suicide–even if we have to start here first. :mad_wp: :guns_tb: :king_tb:

    P.S. The name “Muzzie” suggests Muslim identity, in which case the poster in question may not look like a kaffir anyway–which may or may not be relevant… :rolleyes_wp:

  30. HoundOfDoom Comment by HoundOfDoom UNITED STATES

    I know what would happen. There would be two dead towelheads.

    Leaving the third alive? Mrmph. Ok…

    BTW: I was just thinking what I could do with this leftover fatback, and these hydra-shoks. :rolleyes_wp: :rolleyes_wp: Nah, would just foul the barrel. It’s not like these vermin aren’t going to Hell anyway.

  31. Unregistered Comment by Will Coffman UNITED STATES

    As someone who is extremely skeptical by nature, I have to wonder how it is possible that we have an administration that claims to be serious about a “war on terror” (how the hello can you conduct a war on a tactic?) - while at the same time refusing to seal the borders (yes, it is do-able) and raiding businesses that employ alien invaders?

    If it were exhorbitantly expensive to get caught employing “undocumented workers”, to the tune of $30,000 per person, the jobs would dry up. Simple supply and demand economics.

    Another corollary is the FAIRTAX (FAIRTAX.ORG), because it would shift a lot of tax burden to alien invaders, since only provable citizens should be able to claim any poverty level exemption prebate.

    Next, most brilliant idea: Privatize the entire immigration enforcement system. Think about it. (I know it’s rather Pollyanna, but hear me out)

    Imagine that former police and military simply have to get a license from the various States (NOT Feds - Think Joe Arpaio) to round up and deport alien invaders. They collect the fines and after deducting the costs of all the associated costs, including deportation, etc., they get to make a profit.

    Oh, I know that there are bugs galore in this idea, but I think it beats the current situation.

  32. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

    Will, please don’t get me started on the farttax. Just please don’t do it. I am at work and I have work to do, if I get started I may not stop until tomorrow… OK slight exaggeration, but still…

    But this much I will definately agree with you on:

    If it were exhorbitantly expensive to get caught employing “undocumented workers”, to the tune of $30,000 per person, the jobs would dry up. Simple supply and demand economics.

    However, the problem is not that it’s not expensive enough to be caught with them, it’s that if you do hire them ICE comes after you and if you are too vigilant about screening for them EEOC comes after you. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

    Short of a serious roto-rootering of the entire washington DC area I don’t see any end to this inanity in sight.

    Next, most brilliant idea: Privatize the entire immigration enforcement system.

    Dude you are seriously full of great ideas (well except for that farttax) that unfortunately won’t happen short of a complete re-invention of the culture, outlook, and probably population of DC…

    RH

  33. Wishbone Comment by Wishbone UNITED KINGDOM

    I posted a comment on LGF the other day after reading of this incident and I’d repeat the essence of it here. Where I come from in Britain, if someone was treated in such a way as this person was in a public place, there would have been a very nasty response. As individuals in my city we’re not given over to backing down in the face of even the slightest of confrontations and, as welcoming as we can be to outsiders and tourists, we won’t be insulted or told how to think or behave. That sort of thing just brings out the hooligan in us and we do “hooligan” very well once we turn on someone. If this sort of thing happened in public and people were aware of the situation, then these offending Muslims would have had a kicking like they’d only ever heard of in horror stories.

    This is one of those things we don’t get about Londoners. They don’t look after each other the same way that we do in my home town. You could be on fire in the gutter in that city and they wouldn’t even piss on you, just walk past and leave you to burn.

    We up North are admittedly a harsh lot, brutal sometimes, but at least if a stranger was in need we wouldn’t just walk by. London and the South are alien to us these days. If this lad that was attacked had our mentality, he’d have attacked them with whatever he could have laid his hands on right there at the scene, the “Backing Down” gene being somewhat absent from our makeup. If the surrounding crowd had been aware of the circumstances, I could say with certainty that a large proportion of them would have thrown themselves into the fray also.

    As I said: We just don’t understand those Londoners. They just don’t look after each other.

  34. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    I’m sorry, but I’ve gotta call bullshit on this. I’ve lived in Manchester and Birmingham - both with a higher per capita Muslim population than London - as well as London itself and have never, not once ever, experienced anything like the writer of this article.

    Funny, when I lived in Worcester and spent a lot of time in Brum I had more or less the same experience as our Tube using friend. I was harassed and assaulted twice, once for being “in the wrong street” by a two Muslim lads and the second time by law enforcement at the behest of the local “Islamic Cultural Centre” (most of the traffic for this centre was between 2 and 3am, which was a touch suspicious, but this was pre-911).

    To clarify the above, my friend Paul had a flat that shared a courtyard with the ICC mentioned above. As they regularly parked fourty or fifty cars in the street, they were not popular with the mostly Sikh locals.

    In the middle of a snowstorm I was sitting on Paul’s back step by his kitchen door (warmest, due to the leaky seals on the door giving me a taste of hot air from inside) waiting for him to come back from work, then two police cars come screaming into the courtyard, slew to a halt with their lights in my face and four coppers boil out shouting at me to get down.

    As I was already seated, I just stayed put and waited for them to tell me what the hell was going on. Jerked to my feet and patted down I was told I had been reported as a -possible- dangerous criminal and was ordered to explain my presence. I did, just as Paul arrived and confirmed my story. The coppers left, no apology.

    The whole time this was going on, the curtains were twitching in the ICC and I could see them peeking out. Funny thing is, apart from jumping every time the recorded hollering to prayer happened (verrrry loud when you’re twenty feet away) we hadn’t given the place much thought. After that, we started watching them more carefully, calling in each and every nuisance parking violation (not one ever elicited a police response or a tow truck) and making sure every lease violation was reported to the landlord and followed through to our satisfaction.

    I heard later from Paul that they were connected with all those terror group fundraisers in Brum. What a shock, eh?

  35. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    As I said: We just don’t understand those Londoners. They just don’t look after each other.

    Yes and no. I’m from Stevenage, grew up there and spent a lot of time in London. I suspect if this had been white security people, things would have gone differently.

    Right now, if you defend yourself too well against anyone, or at -all- against Muslims, you go to prison. Maybe the criminalisation of self-defence is why they just stood and watched…..

    And once again, to all the Americans in the audience, thank you for letting me into your country. Thank you for letting me arm myself against our enemies and above all thank you for having a Second Amendment.

  36. Wishbone Comment by Wishbone UNITED KINGDOM

    NCLivingBrit

    At risk of appearing pedantic mate, there was nothing in the posting to suggest that the transport police were other than white. The quoted response to the complaint ends with “….you have to remember that it’s cultural with them“. Not that it would surprise me either way, of course.

    As to the question of the criminalisation of self defense, can’t argue with you there; At least as far as the courts’ attitude toward it these days. But we Scousers are a bloody minded lot and even the more introspective of us tend to react to a threat or insult first and worry about the consequences after the fact. It’s a rough city and thinking too much when threatened can cost you.

    Do unto others as they would have done unto you…… But do it first and do it harder.

    I couldn’t give a toss if the law says I can’t defend myself or not, if I’m threatened I’ll go for their throat regardless of who or what they are.

  37. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

    Wishbone, I can’t say I’m surprised by your words. I know a few scots and they do seem to all have a bit of ornery in the bloodstream. Not that that’s a BAD thing mind you… ;) And even if you just live up that way rather than actually having scottish ancestry, you probably picked some up from osmosis… heh.

    Neither of which is a bad thing IMO. If you are attacked or even threatened you have a right to self-defense. All these libtard arsewipes keep moaning and groaning about human rights and such, but they keep picking the wrong ones. If they actually cared about freedom instead of political power, they’d be moaning and groaning about trampling on important and useful freedoms like the second amendment or the 10th (in the US anyway) or the fact that other countries haven’t yet adopted such obviously wise policies.

    RH

  38. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    At risk of appearing pedantic mate, there was nothing in the posting to suggest that the transport police were other than white. The quoted response to the complaint ends with “….you have to remember that it’s cultural with them“. Not that it would surprise me either way, of course.

    Actually I meant if a white couple had set their white private thugs on a Londoner, the incident would have been carried further.

    The ethnicity of the cops in question wasn’t my issue. The BTP are likely just covering their arses, as in the current climate in the UK -not- practicing the Muslim-Uber-Alles culture can lose you your job.

    Yet another reason to never go home…..

  39. Wishbone Comment by Wishbone UNITED KINGDOM

    LC RobertHuntingdon

    “Ornery in the bloodstream”. Hehe… You hit the nail on the head with that one mate, although a lot of our blood here in Liverpool is Irish. So much so, in fact, that they used to call us the capital of Ireland at one time. Third generation out of Cork, myself. The Jocks are no different though. They like to fight in the winter just to keep warm too ;).

    NCLivingBrit

    OK Mate, I get what you meant now. I took “Sidekick” to simply mean people accompanying the offenders as that’s what it would mean to a Scouser. When you mentioned “security people”, I took it that you meant the Transport Police.

    I do find it a little strange that the Police acted in this manner, covering their arses or not, as they’re now policy bound to investigate anything with even a whiff of “Race hate” about it.

    An excerpt from the Mets’ information leaflet on “Reporting Hate Crime“:

    The Metropolitan Police Service take hate crime very seriously and encourage members of all communities to report incidents to the police. Even if the incident does not amount to a crime the police will still record and investigate it.

    A hate crime is where you become a victim of any crime or prejudice because of your race, faith, age, sexual orientation, gender or because you have a disability. You do not have to prove that the incident or crime was motivated by prejudice, if you or any other person believes that it was then it will be dealt with as a hate crime.

  40. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    A hate crime is where you become a victim of any crime or prejudice because of your race, faith, age, sexual orientation, gender or because you have a disability. You do not have to prove that the incident or crime was motivated by prejudice, if you or any other person believes that it was then it will be dealt with as a hate crime.

    Only liberal idiots [redundancy] could come up with this hate crime claptrap.

    If a latino shoots a latino it’s a crime.

    If a black shoots a black it’s a crime.

    If a white shoots a black it’s a hate crime.

    I don’t think the person lying on the ground with a bullet in his head gives a shit what the perpetrators motives were. A murder is a murder. Crime is crime regardless of the motivation. Get rid of this PC hate-crime bullshit.

    Are the imams that stand on the streets of London screeching Death to Britain! Death to infidels! Britain will be an Islamic state! Ever brought up on hate crime charges? I doubt it.

  41. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    If a latino shoots a latino it’s a crime.

    If a black shoots a black it’s a crime.

    If a white shoots a black it’s a hate crime.

    Not sure about some folks, but if I point the gun at you, pull the trigger and put a bullet in you, you are either trying to do me harm or I hate your guts….

    So wouldn’t every shooting of any ethnicity be a hate crime, unless it’s self defence?

  42. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    Wow. Apparently the government back home isn’t hiding the police state aspirations/reality any more:

    http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/pods/watchful_eyes.jpg

  43. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    So wouldn’t every shooting of any ethnicity be a hate crime, unless it’s self defence?

    NCLivingBrit, the way I see it the shooting of anyone outside of defensive reasons is a crime. “Hate” crimes are pushed by the filthy little perverts in our country that want to give themselves special status. If you get shot or a homosexual gets shot why should the perpetrator get any more time for shooting the homosexual? You’re both dead and the perpetrator should face the consequences irrespective of the persons sexual orientation, religion, color, etc..

  44. Apollyon Comment by Apollyon UNITED STATES

    You’re both dead and the perpetrator should face the consequences irrespective of the persons victims sexual orientation, religion, color, etc..

  45. Unregistered Comment by Will Coffman UNITED STATES

    To Robert Huntingdon;

    Unless you’ve actually studied the Fairtax and/or the book by Neal Boortz and John Linder, don’t think you will have much to say worthwhile on the subject.

    If after you’ve accomplished one or both of those things and still have questions, let’s talk.

    The Fairtax is somewhat what the U.S. had prior to 1917, and the government ran an actual surplus in the treasury.

    If nothing else, it should be noted that one of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto is a progressive income tax.

    Any tax on income is a travesty and every attempt prior to the 16th Amendment were struck down by honest Supreme Courts as being anathema to the Constitution and history of the United States.

  46. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

    Will… I agree that a *progressive* income tax is commu-socialist and an abominaton. I don’t however agree that ANY income tax is a travesty.

    I won’t claim to be an expert. I haven’t read the book and I’m not going to. I have however read arguments on both sides and I continue to maintain that a simple flat rate tax is FAR more fair than any “use tax”. Most “use taxes” before the 16th were not any sort of “global sales tax” but EXCISE taxes and/or tarriffs. Protectionism is a plank of paleoconservatism that deserves to die the same death that communism does, and excise taxes along with them. I prefer the flat tax model if for no other reason than simplicity. No it’s probably not perfect either, and yes there are probably still holes in the ideas previously put forward. But instead of throwing the baby out with the bath water the idea should have been fine-tuned and improved FIRST instead of turning to a big-government travesty like the horribly misnamed fair tax.

    And that’s as far as I’m going to debate it. This already is far more than I wanted to get into it. To me the so-called fair tax is an abominably misnamed horrible idea of big-government stupidity. To its proponents it’s the holy grail of taxation. Unfortunately there isn’t a lot of room for compromise between those two opinions and I no longer want to waste your time or mine arguing over something where neither of us will ever convince the other.

    RH

  47. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit UNITED STATES

    NCLivingBrit, the way I see it the shooting of anyone outside of defensive reasons is a crime.

    Exactly. To point the gun and pull the trigger, it takes a certain frame of mind. Or, is there, in Liberal Land such a thing as a ‘love shooting’?

  48. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    I’m sorry, but I’ve gotta call bullshit on this. I’ve lived in Manchester and Birmingham - both with a higher per capita Muslim population than London - as well as London itself and have never, not once ever, experienced anything like the writer of this article

    Ahhh, the inane blatherings of pathological liar!

    Muzzy you P.O.S. libtard, this has been going on for better than 20 years in the U.K. but only someone who’s never been there (which I’m guessing is the case for you) or someone who’s a dyed in the wool libtard which means besides being a liar you are also totally clueless…

  49. Xystus Comment by Xystus

    Do unto others as they would have done unto you…… But do it first and do it harder.

    Aye, Mate, the Chicago way! :biggrin_wp: