Fishing For Sympathy in All the Wrong Places
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Idiotarians, Journaljizzm1:39 pm
That aside, we can’t believe it took two whole days for See-B.S. to start erecting a pedestal to place al-Zarq-OWIE! upon while trying to find an excremental lining to the great news of his demise (link via LC & IB Jeff G.)
(CBS/AP) An Iraqi man who was one of the first people on the scene of the U.S. airstrike targeting Abu Musab al-Zarqawi said he saw American troops beating a man who had a beard like the al Qaeda leader.
The witness, who lives near the house where al-Zarqawi spent his last days, said he saw the man lying on the ground near an irrigation canal. He was badly wounded but still alive, the man told Associated Press Television News.
U.S. troops arriving on the scene wrapped the man’s head in an Arab robe and began beating him, said the local man, who refused to give his name or show his face to the camera. His account could not be independently verified.
Not that this in any way leads See-B.S. or AP to question his, to put it very mildly, questionable testimony. That’s how the MSM “support the troops”, after all; they’ll print any allegation against our men and women in uniform, no matter how dubious and unverifiable, and call it “journalism.” For more evidence, look up “flushing the Koran”, “Ishaqi” and, if current developments are anything to go by, “Haditha.” There are many more examples, too many to count, but these ought to get you started.
Like we said, they call this “journalism.” That’s probably how Lord Haw-Haw and Tokyo Rose saw themselves as well, but they at least had the decency to be physically as well as mentally on the other side, which puts them several leagues above the fifth column “Fourth Estate” of today.
Not that it matters in this case, really. You see, something that See-B.S. hasn’t realized is that nobody cares what happened to Zarqy. Not only that, most right-thinking people would actually very much like for this unnamed, unknown, unverifiable “neighbor” to be speaking the absolute and unvarnished truth. We know we would. Except for the fact that we think that a mere beating is a little bit pathetic. We have lots and lots of better ideas, and we’d love nothing more than to be able to demonstrate them on the next turbaned tumblefuck to fall into our hands.
OK, so we went a little bit overboard in suggesting that nobody cares about a filthy, sadistic, head-chopping child murderer getting a well-deserved beating before he died. The terrorist-sympathizing BDS sufferers at See-B.S. obviously do.
But don’t you dare question their professionalism or patriotism.
Then kick them in the groin while wearing the heaviest, steel-toed boots in your possession.
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FIRST!
I have got to get a life…
As I mentioned in an early post..I hope CIA , DIA, NSA, Mossad, and whatever other agency is charged with gathering intel on our ENEMIES has agents inside the lamestream idots pressrooms…one we get valuable intel on the Jihadis..and two it’s a good way to keep an eye on the sorry assed “FILTH” column in our country…
June 10th, 2006 at 1:51 pmsluts and cowards…all of them.
If I was one of the first American soldiers to find him, I’m pretty sure that I would swing a rifle butt at him. It’s the least he deserves. I hope someone had the idea of pulling out a K-Bar and holding it against his throat until the medics arrived, just to raise his blood pressure a little.
As for the “professional journalists“…their propensity to flat out run with unverified “accounts” sickens me. The theatre commanders over there should pull out all of the embeds, send them home on the first MAC flight, and never allow them to come back. We can get their kinds of stories on Al-Jazeera.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:53 pmI wouldn’t have as much a problem with ‘unverified accounts’ were they not used as headlines. As for the possible beating, well, yes we should be civil to enemies, however, we do not live in an ideal world. I figure whatever we could possibly do to him in the 10-20 mins he was left alive pales in comparison to eternity. Let the Lord dole out the consequences, He’s more creative than we are anyways.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:05 pmi think the unnamed journalist was simply reporting an eye-witness testimony; something all news organization do
also, you never mentioned that the same unnamed journalist relayed the U.S. military’s version of the Zarqawi killing in more breath and depth
the important point is that if the standard is to only print verified stories then every media-outlet has a long way to go
i ask you the following:
1) how many times have the corporate media pushed unverified stories
and
2) how many times has this weblog pushed unverified stories
i believe the overarching issue of this post shouldn’t be the treatment (the unverfied beating allegation) of Zarqawi or U.S. troops but of journalistic standards
should any media-outlet publish unsubstantiated stories ?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:10 pmMust be nice to live on Bizarro World…these people seeking to cast any negative aspirations or doubts they can…got NEWS for ya’ lefty fools….nobody gives a shit…the lies of liars now ringing hollow…..we are GLAD he is dead, regardless of how……..and I do hope it was as fearsone and as painful as possible. I only hope it is your kids tortured to death next time……as for us here…..three cheers for those that kiled him…Now do they want pepperoni or sausage? And some good Danish beer to wash it down….yeah, that’s the ticket!
June 10th, 2006 at 2:11 pmIf the soldier DID beat the bastard to death, SO WHAT?? It was a lot better than the sorry bastard deserved. or, did you never see this? or this?
If they burned the bastard to death with car cigarette lighters over the course of a year it couldn’t have been HALF bad enough for this sick fuck.
GADS! But I’m getting SICK of these whiney assed lefties wherever I go, time to start culling the heard folks.
Duty, Honor, Country
June 10th, 2006 at 2:24 pm(in THAT order)
Rowane
lets try these links again
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloads/cj_34947.wmv
http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/video/armstrong-murder2.wmv
June 10th, 2006 at 2:25 pmDS:
1) Almost all domestic ‘news’ stories have some way of getting outside verification before making damaging implications. Also, were the US Army a corporation, the media would be up to their ears in libel lawsuits.
2) I don’t know, why don’t you go check?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:27 pmLet’s see, if I were a journalist, would I lend credibility to an, “eyewitness account,” that could not be verified, by publishing it?
I’m afraid that I don’t believe that I would. Yes, I concur, this story is indeed about, “journalistic standards,” and the lack of them that seems to be rampant in our MSM.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pmBut because it put’s the Military in a bad light and just adds fuel to the fire of Haditha, they are going to shout it high and low as tho it were sent down by Mohammad himself. It wouldn’t suprise me if this “witness” were not a member of Zarky’s network (which could account for his not wanting his face shown), or just some sandbastard pissed off because he got a ticket riding his camel without brake lights. It doesn’t matter. It’s now fact in the Lamestream Media’s and the Leftard mindset and they are not going to let it go…nor take it with the 5 gallon bucket of salt it deserves.
Of course this is absolute proof….yeah riiight. That’s like going to a mall in Houston and saying you got mugged by a guy who looks Mexican. THEY ALL DO DOWN THERE!
June 10th, 2006 at 2:34 pmOh, yes, I’m sure there was only one man sporting a beard like Zarqawi’s.
Unbelievable.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:35 pmdear MCaN:
your comment #8 reminds me of the story (essentially ignored by the American MSM) that the US military paid Iraqi journalist to print favorable stories
isn’t this one of the criticism leveled against the USSR when it was losing the 1980’s Afghan War ???
June 10th, 2006 at 2:37 pm#12 Is your point supposed to be that this is somehow proof that we are losing the war?
Talk about a gigantic stretch.
Were the stories false?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:41 pmDS:
but were said stories based on single eyewitness account, or were they just true stories that were encouraged to be printed because they showed the good side of the military?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:42 pmplease take a peek at this link:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB177/Info%20Operations%20Roadmap%20Truth%20from%20These%20Podia.pdf
“Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II”
June 10th, 2006 at 2:42 pmI celebrate the bastards death, and hope that all of his victims were there to greet him and get a piece of him before throwing him down to hell forever.
doublestandard asks:
enough times that they to regularly print retractions and apologies. In their zeal to discredit this mission and the commander in chief, they brazenly rely on propaganda and lies to undermine both. Another interesting point is that the “corporate media” you so decry is mostly owned by people sympathetic to the leftist point of view…i.e ted turner, george soros etc..
The Rott has been a little too fast on the trigger some times, but Misha has always been very quick to admit an error and correct it. He also does it without issuing a sideways yeah but retraction like kos, or cnn, or cbs and the other propagandists.
Another point that you miss, is that the Rott is NOT a media outlet…disseminating information to millions worldwide like cnn or cbs. Yes, you can find this blog worldwide, but it is a pretty small outlet. the Rott also doesn’t have people out in the field gathering stories, it relies mostly on news outlets and wire services.
You also talk about journalistic standards, those went out the window around 1972 with Woodward and Bernstein. I was in college during that time and taking journalism classes…those guys were made up to be Gods, they still are. Every reporter today wants to be the next one to shape a government or a national policy, if they have to do it with slanted stories or outright falsehoods then so be it.
The only difference between today and 1972 is that we have the internet. The mainstream/muslim supporting media can no longer report unverified stories and get away with it unchecked, the fact checkers who run blogs like this one are kept way too busy refuting their wild eyed propaganda…hee hee hee
June 10th, 2006 at 2:42 pmFavorable and verifiable stories, mind you. Since we can’t get our own media to run those stories, we have to pay somebody else to run them.
Says everything you need to know about the “journalistic standards” of the MSM, really.
In a word?
No.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:45 pmWas Zarqawi Beaten After Bombing?…
Via Yahoo
June 10th, 2006 at 2:45 pmThe man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, told AP Television News on Friday that he saw U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the victim’s nose.
When asked about the man’s al…
Maybe they were attempting CPR???
Just askin’…
June 10th, 2006 at 2:47 pmHopefully with their feet…and a one and a two and…….
June 10th, 2006 at 2:54 pm[…] “Do you care if anybody beat Zarqawi before he died?” […]
June 10th, 2006 at 3:02 pmI did. A liar, calling the president a liar.
How quaint!
June 10th, 2006 at 3:10 pmWe beat a man who had just survivied (well sorta) a twin 500 lb LGB attack…yeah right…chances are if his nose was bleeding..which I dont doubt it was…if he was within a 100 friggin yards of either of those blasts ..his nose was bleeding from the concussion of the HE going off..as were his ears and probably just about everything else that could bleed…
Watch the video released by the U.S. Military …that is a concussion blast type weapon..so yep Ol Zarky’s Nose was most assuredly bleeding..but I doubt very much because someone beat him up….
June 10th, 2006 at 3:14 pmJannyMae of comment # 22: what lie did you find in the document i linked you to ???
Emperor of comment # 17: i do recall that the US media and the US government (Reagan et al), repeatedly showed the discrepancy between the USSR false good news stories and the Soviet military failures in Afghanistan
June 10th, 2006 at 3:43 pmExactly.
Now take a look at your comment. See that word in there? Yep, that’s the word: False.
Beginning to see why one is not like the other?
June 10th, 2006 at 3:49 pmI’ll swing at this one too. There’s a difference here ds, the slanted media in this country seldom report good news…and when they do, it is always followed with a “yeah but”. Do you know the names of any of the medal winners in this war?..no?, Do you know about the road improvement projects?..no?, not heard of those?, Do you know that the deaths of newborns has fallen since we “occupied” Iraq?…didn’t know that one either? The point here, is that the press has a propensity to run with any story that will downgrade public support for this war. They have starry dreams of being the ones who end a war and bring down another president…they’ve forgotten their true calling, to report the news…unbiased, and verified. They are corrupted by fantasies of writing the next All the President’s Men.
ds, to even compare this country’s efforts with the soviet OCCUPATION of Afghanistan is just plain stupid man. The soviet invasion of Afghanistan was done to gain control of their oil fields and establish a puppet government for domination of the region, and THEY did purposely target civilians. Say what you will, but there are very few comparisons between what we are doing and what the USSR did. We plan to hand a stabilized and democratic country back to the locals, both in Afghanistan and Iraq..and believe me, no one wants to get out of those shit holes faster than the guys over there who are doing the heavy jobs. But the enemy gains both encouragement and inspiration from your sides tacit support, they fight on convinced that they will win if enough Americans grow dissatisfied with the war and demand an end. From what I see every night on cnn and the other news outlets, they are doing a fine job for the jihadis.
DS, It is YOU and your brethren in the media who are prolonging this conflict, killing Americans and innocent civilians, and you will pay a steep price for your sedition…but not at the hands of American troops….you should be so lucky to have that happen to you.
June 10th, 2006 at 4:28 pmBSDS,The difference is that not only were the stories placed by Coalition Forces verifiable they weren’t designed to send people into a killing rage. Which is what the al-AP/al-SeeBS story was designed to do. That story will make some fuckwit RoPer go over the edge into splodeydopedom causing his death and the death of American Troops and/or innocent Iraqis.
Screw kicking the bastard in the nuts with a steel toed boots, that would just deball him…which is an oxymoron when speaking Liberals…rope is cheap.
June 10th, 2006 at 4:32 pm[…] ROPE, TREE, Journalist…. […]
June 10th, 2006 at 4:36 pmAP didn’t say that was how it happened, they just reported how a WITNESS described how it happened. There is a difference. This is being objective. SUBjective would be if CBS described themselves how it happened.
Nowhere in the article does it say that this witness’s description was accurate, they only reported what was told to them, and I think they were very careful to bring that point across.
Of course, you would probably have preferred the writer to write it like this:
Unfortunately, then the statement would become subjective because it would reflect a conclusion made by the writer.
News was never meant to be pleasant, nor something you had to agree with. AP was told a story, and they passed it on to you. It is up to you to decide whether or not you want to accept it.
Do I care whether Zarqawi was beaten by our forces?
A simple answer: Nope.
Not losing any sleep on it yet, and not likely to. The man was a monster, and needed to go. HOW he went doesn’t really matter. The fact is, he is gone. Buh-bye. May his 72 virgins be female porcupines with rabies.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:27 pmMy primary beef was the headline: ‘Was Al-Zarqawi Beaten After Bombing?’
As I previously stated, the headline immediately makes the reader think ‘rhetorical question, apparently the answer is yes!’ If they wanted to just report it, there are many VERY even-handed ways to state it:
‘Al-Z Neighbor Alleges Beating After Bombing’, etc.
The story is based on a single, unverified witness account, which is not enough credibility for a front page story, in my opinion.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:44 pmI might buy that one if it wasn’t because they only ever readily and immediately report on those unverifiable claims from unnamed sources that we have no reason to believe even exist except in the fevered imagination of the BDS suffering journaljizzmer.
Meanwhile, you have to hold the haji-sympathizing bastards at gunpoint to even make them think about reporting the verifiable claims from the other side. Our side.
Objectivity is not merely a matter of how you report, it’s just as much a matter of what you choose to report.
And the MSM are scoring below al-Jazeera on that.
Heck, even Pravda looks objective compared to them.
June 10th, 2006 at 6:10 pmCaveman
Or, “Your Left! Your Left! Your Left, Right, Left!”
June 10th, 2006 at 7:20 pmLet me see if I got this straight. In a country where death from the air is feared as much as the terrorists I am supposed to believe that some curious soul immediately ran over to a place that had just been blown apart not knowing if another strike was imminent and watched some people beat someone. I submit to you that it was likely a while before ANY civilians except the dead ones were on the scene. I can’t imagine anyone permitted inside the cordon until after the area was searched and secured. I think my bullshit alarm just went off.
Grits
June 10th, 2006 at 7:23 pmOT-
Signal from the Comm Shack to Admiral Misha:
June 10th, 2006 at 7:39 pmMilitary personnel were beating Zarky before he died?
Hot damn! Give those boys some medals is what I say!!!
June 10th, 2006 at 7:45 pm$10k bonus should be in line as well.
We can only hope a young private began to kick off, square in his ass.
June 10th, 2006 at 8:29 pmIt was a legitimate question, since a “witness” reported it.
Look, you might be perfectly fine with one-sided news that only tells you the things you want to hear, but most people like to have objective news, even news that might be bad.
As theDdoubleSstandard stated above, in the same article, the AP devoted more time and space to the US Military’s version than this one witness.
June 10th, 2006 at 8:31 pmThe only contact you should ever have with a journalist is between your boots and his teeth
June 10th, 2006 at 8:32 pmDJ:
Most headlines worded this way are designed as a rhetorical question, as I said. My initial though was that there was good evidence that he was beaten. Since I am not a headline skimmer, I read the story and found out the details. Misleading (though legitimate) headline, ok article. My entire point.
June 10th, 2006 at 8:39 pm…by quoting themselves from an earlier article.
Anyway, it doesn’t detract in the least from my point about the press readily and willingly jumping up and reporting any claim made by anybody (and that’s giving them the benefit of the doubt in assuming that anybody actually made the claim in the first place, something they, quite honestly, don’t deserve), as long as it looks bad for America.
But it does bring up another point: Notice the hed, the lede and the entire first part of the article? See a pattern there? “Oh, but then we just quote what we printed yesterday, so we’re all objective.”
Rrrrright.
June 10th, 2006 at 8:40 pmIt’d be very nice if we got objective news. Perhaps one day in a bright and shiny future, we just might. But sadly, we don’t yet have that.
June 10th, 2006 at 8:44 pmQuestioning the dedication and patriotism as well as the honor of our troops really annoys me. If you have never signed a contract in which you agreed to let strangers shoot at you and then had that happen, you have little room to talk and none to criticize.
This is what Americam troops are made of: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_wounded_at_war_3
To Double stupid and DJ, permit me to call your attention to the sprig of mistletoe suspended from my rearmost belt loop.
Grits
June 10th, 2006 at 10:07 pmPerhaps, “liar,” was too strong a word, but I did some checking, and Sam Gardiner is not a credible source. He is another, “Bush lied,” hindsighter, and the article you linked to is purely his opinion. His, “study,” is nothing more than unsupported allegation, after unsupported allegation. His conclusions are nothing more than his own assumptions, which are not credible, at all, based on what I have read from credible sources.
June 10th, 2006 at 10:16 pmDiversion’s, speculation, assumptions simply don’t elevate anything to the level of credible, and by not linking to anything tangible basicly relegates the matter to the inflamatory-fiction section.
Sorry, no stampede.
Light up and move on.
June 11th, 2006 at 11:34 amWhat Happened With Zarqawi…
Unless you live under a rock, or in a cave (like someone else we need to bomb soon), you know Zarqawi is dead. A lot of speculation has began lately about how he died. We now know he was alive after the bombing, for at least a short while.
January 1st, 2007 at 2:59 amAL-ZARQAWI D…