The Source of Murtha’s Madness
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Politics, Useless Swine2:58 pm
Well, it may not be, but something I read in the comments to this post certainly made a lot of things seem logical all of a sudden:
If you were the main driving force to pullout of Somalia, as Murtha was, and then you hear bin Laden say that your actions were the impetus for 9/11, what would you do?
Denial would cause you to keep making the same mistake. To do otherwise would be to accept responsibility. Murtha wants to believe he was right back then because a man would commit suicide if he allowed himself to believe for a moment that his actions were the impetus for 9/11.
It’s got to haunt him. To make matters worse, didn’t United 93 crash in his district? Those people died heroes for facing the very same evil that Murtha enabled by failing to face it.
Perchant on June 18, 2006 at 12:05 AM
Never thought of that, but he’s right.
Heaven knows that I would fall on my sword if I couldn’t look at the Towers on fire without hearing 3,000 voices shouting “you did this, you aided and abetted this, you encouraged this, our blood is, in part, on your hands.”
Either that or go batshit, raving mad.
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Well - that would have to suck!
June 18th, 2006 at 3:01 pmdear Emperor:
why did you have to bring up Somalia
isn’t this the country where Bush & Co. backed the war-lords who lost and now the country is ruled by Islamist ???
under this faith-based government in Washington, D.C., Somali is part of the victory in the fake GWoT
June 18th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThen Murtha should do that, he SHOULD fall on his sword, at the very least symbolically. He should admit how horrifically, catastrophically wrong he was about pulling out of Somalia, apologize to the nation with every drop of sincere repentance in his entire body, step down from public office PERMANENTLY, and bankrupt himself of $ and sleep trying to help those he had hurt with his arrogant ‘I know best’ ignorance.
For starters.
Instead, his narcissism makes him battle to prove he WAS right, by doing the same wrong thing AGAIN!?! With even worse lethal conscequences!!! That’s…it stinks of a level of hubris beyond my ability to comprehend.
Couldn’t agree more though; this angle does provide a logical missing piece to the puzzle of why he would act so traitorously. I was pondering an inoperable brain tumor, or brainwashing, but each of those makes him the victim, which doesn’t sit right.
This explanation fits his massive ego much, much better.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:27 pmWe fought a defensive war in Korea, a war without a clear objective in Vietnam and won the battles but lost the war, took no action against Iran when they took the embassy and hostages, took no action when the terrorists suicide bombed the Marine barracks in Lebanon and killed over 200 Marines, refused to follow through and take out Saddam Hussein to properly end the Gulf War, pulled out of Somalia, took no action against anyone at any time for any attack on Americans until the 9-11 attacks..gotdam! If we as a society and voters allowed all this to happen why should bin Laden not think that we as a society are a bunch of pussies and push overs. He found that he thought wrong and is on the run now but everyone that did not raise hell with the politicians over the past fuck-ups is as guilty as Murtha. And Murtha should be feeling guilty for being a gutless politician more worried about getting the vote than doing what is right for the country.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:33 pmBeth*A
I just think he’s been sipping the liberal kool-aide too long and is as stupid and traitorous as most of the Dhimmis.
Take our new resident libtard DS, would it surprize anyone to know that if people like him in charge this country would last for about a year? Then woud come a islamofascist take over so fast it would make you head swim.
But, no need to worry, the good Conservative men and women will never go down without a fight to the last so there are NO burquas or jizya in our future.
BTW, see what you can do to help our jailed Marines
June 18th, 2006 at 3:34 pmhttp://www.patriotdefensefund.com or buy Savage’s new book at http://www.michaelsavage.com and he’ll donate $5 for every book to them.
so THIS is the thread where you skittered off to.
IDIOT! Somalia was a clinton adventure, Bush wasn’t even governor of Texas yet. It was your great president clinton and her husband who screwed up the mission there. It went from an aid mission set up by Bush 41 to a farce of a nation building exercise…the first shots that got fired at us and the first casualties that we suffered and that administration went jelly belly and ran away….Somalia and the abortive mission in Lebanon (the only mistake Reagan made)set the strategy for terrorists, kill Americans and they will run away.
jeeez man, stop scurrying about like a scared moonbunny and reinforce your arguments.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:50 pmATTN: LC Rowane [# 5]
“BTW, see what you can do to help our jailed Marines …”
i assume you were referring to the Marines associated with Haditha
these Marines are bein’ imprisoned by Bush & Co.
and i assume that you support Bush & Co.
if you know that they are innocent then take your gripe up with Bush & Co.
Bush & Co. can set them free if they want to
after all he is C-n-C; isn’t he ???
June 18th, 2006 at 3:50 pmOh DDSS, must we go through this again?
Remember back in 1992, when Clinton sent US troops in to stop the genocide? And remember after the whole Black Hawk Down incident how Clinton then pulled the troops out of it? Well Jack Murtha was one of the leading voices to pull out. And it was because of that incident that Osama Bin Laden thought the American military was a “Paper Tiger” and emboldened him to plan 9/11.
Little history lesson for you, I’m sure it’s falling on deaf ears.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:50 pmDammit Jaybear, you beat me to it.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:53 pmLord Daealdric, doublestupid isn’t deaf, she’s just stupid. Ignorance is one thing, but doublestupid has proven that she isn’t capable of understanding reality, truth, logic or the fact that mainly we are just making fun of her.
Trying to respond with facts and logic to doublestupid is a waste of bandwidth and your time.
June 18th, 2006 at 3:58 pmNo prob Lord Daealdric ya’ said it better anyways.
June 18th, 2006 at 4:01 pmHijacking threads again, are you DS?
I have a way of dealing with that, so consider yourself warned.
No, don’t argue. That’ll only speed up the process.
June 18th, 2006 at 4:05 pmAh, Emperor, many moons it has been since I last spoke to you. Think the last time was back around the time the Columbia was lost. Too long
June 18th, 2006 at 4:07 pmSeems like Murtha and DS are two of a kind. Both need to be shot with shit and hung for stinking.
Grits.
June 18th, 2006 at 4:07 pmFar too long, Lord Daealdric!
Welcome back. You’ve been missed!
June 18th, 2006 at 4:09 pmATTN: JayBear [# 6]
i am no fan of Clinton but i am a fan of history
apparently, you forgot that Bush 41 introduced US forces into Somali.
the “blackhawk down” fiasco happened under Slick-Willy.
the biggest fiasco (one of many) occurred under Dubya — the Islamist have taken over Somali from the Bush & Co. backed warlords
” To intervene militarily in civil wars is certainly not only a non-productive enterprise, but one which is fraught with danger. And we have to understand that there are certain areas of the world that are not on our vital national security interests that, unfortunately, we can do very little about. ” ~ McCain, 1993
June 18th, 2006 at 4:11 pmThe Mighty Emperor sez:
hear the music ds?
June 18th, 2006 at 4:13 pmWell now, Murtha is like most liberals and liberal Democrats, a man of questionable substance…
Funny thing how Murtha’s supporters push his war record (sounds familiar, right?) as a Marine who was awarded medals…
What I wonder is just how many have questioned this?
Maybe we should since it speaks to Murtha’s character…
After all we do remember that Murtha’s “reported role as an un-indicted co-conspirator in the Abscam bribery scandal of the late 1970s and early 1980s“, right?
Note the words of Don Baily in a letter to Jack Murtha: “You clearly indicated to me in a moment of weakness, that you hadn’t deserved the purple hearts and there was no confusion on that. You may deny that all you wish - but you and I know that that conversation took place. Please apologize now. You may fool a few reporters into believing that merely because you got some perfunctory paperwork made out by a friend, that that means you earned the purple hearts.“…
CNSNews found out the following: “However, another source, World War II Navy veteran Harry M. Fox, previously indicated that Murtha in 1968 personally asked Fox’s boss, then-U.S. Rep. John Saylor (R-Pa.), for assistance in obtaining the Purple Hearts, but was turned down because Saylor’s office determined that Murtha lacked sufficient evidence of wounds. Murtha later challenged Saylor for his House seat in 1968 and lost. Fox said he personally viewed Murtha’s military records in 1968 as Saylor’s aide“…
We must also remember that Murtha may be more than a bit nervous and hears foot steps of someone catching up to him….:lol:
June 18th, 2006 at 4:17 pmUmm… DS… I think Jaybear mentioned the former Pres Bush
Nope, I’m sure of it.
So are you saying we should send our forces back into Somalia?
June 18th, 2006 at 4:17 pmEmperor - You assume Murtha has any honor or that the people in his district have any sense. If either were the case, Murtha would have been gone after AbScam.
He is a walking, talking (when Pelosi has her hand up his ass) advert for committing those with onset senile dementia.
June 18th, 2006 at 4:18 pmoh lord, and ds quotes mccain…..
I’m taking my M1 to the range…see y’all later
June 18th, 2006 at 4:21 pmThis would explain a great deal indeed. Murtha desperately seeking some sort of redeption in repeating his mistake and in his sick mind, mkaing it work this time. This guy isn’t just a self-absorbed traitor, he’s stark raving nuts. Bet he sleeps real good at night, maybe dreaming about dead Rangers being dragged through the streets. Not new in politics, justifying ones cowardice. And if the best DS can do is split hairs when it suits him fine……..life is full of that sort of thing. Military life even more so………
June 18th, 2006 at 4:33 pmThat’s ONE, D.S.
June 18th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI sense something… a presence I’ve not felt since…
cB.
June 18th, 2006 at 5:17 pmNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! NOT THE LIBRARY WHORE!!!!!!!!!!
June 18th, 2006 at 5:24 pmBOOOOWHHOOOOOOWAAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
June 18th, 2006 at 5:41 pm*weeeett* 2MC alert tone-
Captain, er Admiral Misha…..Engineering Officer of the Watch reports, Reactor is capable of 106% power, Port and Starboard SSTGs on line, ready to answer all bells, Sir. Request permission to shift to Battle Short on ship’s electrical systems. Engineering at general quarters, and standing-by……
June 18th, 2006 at 6:30 pmL.I., standby for orders. Eins W.O., Rohr eins bis vier klarmachen.
June 18th, 2006 at 6:51 pmPresident Bush the Elder sent U.S. forces into Somalia in December 1992 to aid the United Nations in relieving a massive famine. In May of 1993, four months into his term, President Clinton declared that MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and pulled out most of the U.S. force. (See how easy it is, asshole)
In a speech on the South Lawn to associate himself with the effort, he extolled the decision to intervene: “If all of you who served had not gone, it is absolutely certain that tens of thousands would have died by now.” It was a “successful mission,” he said, and “proved yet again that American leadership can help to mobilize international action.”
But back in Somalia, with no U.S. deterrent, Somalia’s warlords began fighting again. After a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers, Mr. Clinton launched a new mission: In August 1993, he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order.
That force asked for heavy armour–in the form of Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles–as well as the AC-130 gunship, but the Clinton Administration denied those requests. On October 3 on a mission to pick up Aidid, two Black Hawks were unexpectedly shot down; in the ensuing urban gun battle, 18 American soldiers were killed and another 73 injured.
Many military experts believe that if the U.S. forces had had armour, fewer would have died. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armour had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion.
Mr. Clinton’s responsibility in Somalia doesn’t stop there. Despite the mistakes that October day, Aidid had been struck a blow with thousands of casualties. The U.S. military, with 18 dead, wanted nothing more than to finish what it had started. Mr. Clinton instead aborted the mission. The U.S. released the criminals it had captured that same day at such great cost, and the U.N., lacking U.S. support, was powerless to keep order.
Somalia remains a lawless, impoverished nation. Worse, the terrorists of al Qaeda interpreted the U.S. retreat from Somalia as a sign of American weakness that may have convinced them we could be induced to retreat from the Middle East if they took their attacks to the U.S. homeland.
Those are the facts. The reason Mr. Clinton can’t blame the events of “Black Hawk Down” on President Bush’s father is because those events had nothing to do with him. They were Mr. Clinton’s responsibility, and his alone.
Now fuck off ds.
June 18th, 2006 at 7:07 pmY’know, you could subcontract this one out…
LSIK&T: Mr Korrioth! Weapons status!!!
KORRIOTH: (grunt) (snort)
LSIK&T: Excellent.
…we’re fully charged on phasers and have 75 quantum torpedoes on standby.
June 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmOK. Now consider the Liberal Intellectual Radical Progressive Left; the idiots who fawned over Stalin and Mao. The dim bulbs who denied that there was ANYTHING wrong in Cambodia until they got their faces rubbed in it. The swine who have been cheerleaders while Communist governments committed between 65 million and 100 million political murders in the 20th century.
Apply the logic of the Murtha’s in Denial post.
Explains a lot, don’t it?
June 18th, 2006 at 7:43 pmAchtung Misha…
Leiten Sie ein bis vier, die frei sind, vorbereiten, um Kapitän zu feuern
June 18th, 2006 at 7:44 pmAber Ja
June 18th, 2006 at 7:46 pmGenug ist genug!
Ok, another chance to whip this old museum piece out.
June 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pmRemeber where the communists reserved a place in their war-museum for the one’s that made efforts crucial to thier cause?
‘Reckon murtha wants one in teheran?
Brilliant synopsis of the Somalian fiasco, JD (#29)!
Talking of “DdSs”, smelling more and more like a Caspian to me…
June 18th, 2006 at 8:03 pmThe Skeleton In Murtha’s Closet?…
Is Rep. Jack Murtha’s neverending quest to get us to surrender to the terrorists in Iraq genuine, or he motivated by something in his past? An excellent theory on this was recently posted in the comments section at Hot Air…
June 18th, 2006 at 8:23 pmThanks Lady Heather and I wish I could take ALL the credit but, alas, I can’t! The gist of it I read in a lengthy article years ago and agreed with almost all that was said.
Joe D.
June 18th, 2006 at 8:46 pmSome teeny things that made it a little rougher for an armor unit to funcition, like depending on the italians for armored backup, they’d done a deal already, keep it parked for protection from aidid.
June 18th, 2006 at 8:54 pmAspin said “my bad” and in late ‘93 invited to leave by the bubba-in-chief. Cleanup on isle 1600
I remember a Veteran standing in line to recieve his late son’s medal, kept his hands straight down at his side when bubba offered him the medal and a handshake.
“Sir, my son died for nothing and you are not fit to be commander in chief”.
I felt pride and disgust in the same stomach-knot.
JD,
Thanks for the round-up.
Kind of funny when facts get in the way.
June 18th, 2006 at 8:59 pmUnfortunaely double stupid does have one point. We have backed( after 9-11) the somalia warlords against the islamo-shitbags . I don’t know by how much and /or with weapons or money, but to the best of my knowledge= no military involvement. I am torn between “Couldn;t happen to a better shithole” and ” This is another shithole we will eventually have to clean up”.
June 18th, 2006 at 9:26 pmAnd two of my old buddies refused to speak to him in Walter Reed.
Duty, Honor, Country
June 18th, 2006 at 9:59 pm(in THAT order)
Rowane
Want another example of why Dems like the Klintoons and Jack the Traitor Murtha shouldn’t ever be trusted to effectivily manage the U.S. Military?
1994 Stationed of the coast of what in Military Speak was TFY (The former Yugoslovia), cutting holes in the water on a Burke Class DDG, price tag about 1.5 billion a copy, emense amounts of fire power and state of the art Aegis combat systems all on line.
We used to get so bored out there us and the Brits started DRAG racing our ships against each other just for something to keep our selves amused. (In case you wonder who won those little regattas..the HMS ships got thier asses handed to them.. those new DDG’S can go froma Dead in the water to 30 plus knots in about a minute…LOL)
After almost 3 months of utterly uselss operations in which we acted as little more then a glorified Air Traffic Control station the red flag goes up that Saddam is amassing 100,000 on the Kuwaiti border….so what happens?
The DDG AND a full Carrier airwing are “scambled” all the way south thru the Suez south down the Red Sea around Yemen and up to the Persian Gulf…
Why? Because the Clinton administration had cut the USN budget so severly we had no asssets close enough, simply put the ships couldn’t afford to be out steaming as Navy ships are SUPPOSED to do…the closest warships the Navy had were in the Med…
Took us the better part of a week of balls to the wall steaming at flank speed to make the trip but even in a violatle are like the eastern Med / Arabian Gulf the Clintons couldn’t quite grasp the fact that not alotting the resources to cover the region was not very wise…
Little is ever said about it but at that time had Saddam re-crossed that border even though we had troops in Kuwait, the administration had also cut so deeply into the Army’s operational cabability there were simply too few troops and not enough equipment in theather, there was little if anything they could of done to fight them off….and that is a fact.
The public never really caught onto the fact that it would of been a truly nasty day for the US had Saddam not backed down….thanks of course to the Mindless Mainstream Media…
June 18th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHeather- Spot On…getting sniveling like our old troll buddy Caspian and/or Daddy’s Roomate
But as usual he likes to hash up his history timelines, conveniently for his vacuous arguments. He just hasn’t figured out how quick we are to toss the Bullshit Flag on his play.
And of course the obligatory disclaimer:
That really qualifies yourself as a LIAR as well as Idiotarian.
But Monkey- Laura Ingram
June 18th, 2006 at 10:19 pmLooks like he picked “batshit raving mad,” Alex.
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June 19th, 2006 at 8:03 amHey JD (#29), not a thing wrong with YOUR memory or your analysis amigo…
Game! Set! & Match! and the theDdoubleSstandard goes down in a ball of flames…:lol:
June 19th, 2006 at 3:54 pmI posted this in the “other” Murtha thread but it’s relevant here, especially with those here with military backgrounds and an understanding of Washington politics - HE must go this November, the MSM must be shut down forever until they start supporting America instead of the enemy and the Left (sorry, oxymoron), and ALL who voted against putting a “timetable” on withdrawal in Congress needs to go:
(this is from his opponent’s website):
Do you know this man?
For years, many of us throughout Pennsylvania trusted John Murtha. We knew him and he looked out for our interests and our values. But that John Murtha is missing today.
After 32 years in Washington, John Murtha has become part of the problem. To name just a few examples:
John Murtha – Wrong on Congressional Pay Raises. Since 1995, John Murtha has voted 11 straight times in favor of raising his own pay. (CQ #648, #317, #435, #289, #300, #419, #267, #322, #463, #451, and #327)
June 19th, 2006 at 8:34 pmJohn Murtha – Wrong on Spending. John Murtha has voted multiple times to raid the social security trust fund – the key to your retirement – to pay for wasteful government spending projects.
John Murtha – Wrong on Health Care. John Murtha has voted to actually make your health care more expensive. He even voted against tax-free health savings accounts.
John Murtha – Wrong on National Defense. John Murtha actually voted to cut spending on our national security by $76 billion. Then, he voted in favor of instituting the draft! And, perhaps most stunning of all, John Murtha spoke out against the brave men and women who are defending our freedom by calling for an immediate withdrawl of our troops from Iraq.
ddss should rename himself mMovinggGoalpost
June 19th, 2006 at 8:41 pmIf you were the main driving force to pullout of Somalia, as Murtha was, and then you hear bin Laden say that your actions were the impetus for 9/11, what would you do?
Easy answer: I’d have blown my fuckin brains out within a week….knowing that assholes like me didn’t have a right to livel.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:06 amThat’s a new one on me. Thought it was supposed to be the presence of American troops on sacred Saudi soil during the Gulf war, despite the fact that it was to liberate an Islamic country with the approval of others. Or the Western failure to save Muslims at Sebrinica, not that we saw much effort at aid from the countries of the Prophet.
it’s a waste of time looking for any rational reasons, there are none apart from the fanatiscism of some sections of Islam.
June 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI think Murtha is toast this time around,and the old and mixed up fool has really messed himself up with that lose mouth of his.I guess he forgot that old phrase that lose lips sink ships,and he is the titanic.
June 21st, 2006 at 9:33 pm