Comment by Darth Bacon

FIRST!

Why does anyone even pay attention to that clown anymore? He’s absolutely without reason.

Comment by L.C. DUEX

That makes me very, very sad. I’d like for leftists to reflect upon this incident every time they are about to take the word torture in their mouthes to describe conduct by American troops.

Comment by L.C. Rowane

Did any of you hear kucinich’s comments today? The sorry excuse for a human being.
Too pissed off to post much anywhere today, this whole thing makes me want to strangle all the damn libtards who cross my path.

Comment by MasterGuns

Once upon a time there was an infant born in Pusan….By a quirk of fate he wound up an American. He was, and still is, a professional soldier now.

He’s retired now for a couple years…..too old and a medical problem he’s told.

But he is quite capable of gladly scragging the Islamofascists that did this.

Funny thing, unlike the previous enemies he has fought, he would feel no remorse at all. Sir Charles fought us with honor for the most part. He only hurt the natives with torture….unless you were captured alive of course. In the 1st Gulf War, we expected heavy casualties and were pleasently surprised when they didn’t happen. The Iraqis fought clean. The old soldier still dreams about his first one….23 Dec 1968.

But when sh*t like this happens, the old soldier feels no remorse. Time to get the reporters out and let the troops do their jobs without worrying about “charges” or “bad press” or “allegations”.

Let a few of our troopers do what they are best at…..without the press. The old guy is more than happy to tag along. And will not show any remorse as he sends them to hell.

Semper Fi

Comment by Orion

This sort of moral equivalence is bullshit.

I propose a bit of a test to the left to see if American ‘torture’ is quite the same as Islamic torture…

Click here to read the post on my blog.

Somehow I doubt the Left will send anyone for this particular test…

Orion

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Comment by DumbAss Tanker

Provoking outrages against the civilians is exactly what the AQ POSs want, though in Ramadi random shooting is as likely to kill an insurgent as an actual civilian anyway.

Response to shit like this has to be disciplined and controlled, not emotional, or we get played in the Long War. Fallujizing Ramadi would be good, for instance.

Comment by juandos

Is there ANY reason to expect leftists’ who’s collective grip on reality is questionable at best to understand what’s actually going on over there or here for that matter?

Consider how many on the left are still running with the, “Bush lied and people died” mantra even now though people like Marc of USS Neverdock (and many, many others) using resourses like the BBC have effectively debunked it back 2004…

Comment by DJM

This is an example of the mentality at the Democratic Underground:

70. Seeing the manner in which the US treat Iraqis…..
They probably thought they could not afford to leave these men alive. Imagine if they could have pointed out a house or city where they were held, not to mention the risk of identifying any of the captors. No way these guys would risk the retaliatory actions of US troops.

Fresh memories of troops going house to house killing innocent family members old and young in Haditha and who knows how many other places, condemned these young men to death the moment they were captured.

[Posted by “Roy”]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×2346687#2346689

So, according to some at DU, not only is Bush fully the blame, the troops got what they deserved. Nice to see Ol’Roy has found the Haditha Marines guilty when the investigation is not yet complete.

Comment by thefrollickingmole

My missus found a few “nice” movies on the web the other day. They appeared to be of Iraqi executions and interrorgations in the Saddam days.
The executions were by taping a hand grenade to the blokes chest and pulling the pin (by string I assume). The interrorgations comprised throwing men off a 3 or so story high building, as well as the amputation of fingers, hands ect.
Why have I NEVER EVER seen this on any broadcast depicting the Saddam era??
Kite flying and coffee shops and sweetness?
It highlights for me the utter moral bankruptcy of the media. I will garuntee everyone here has seen the prisoner abuse photos a thousand times. Id nearl bet you will see them again within the next month. Yet how many have seen any Saddam era footage on any mainstream media??
>crickets

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Comment by LC Jackboot

Master Guns-

The old guy is more than happy to tag along. And will not show any remorse as he sends them to hell.

Master Chief-

Master Guns - I too would gladly plod along. May I bring the M-14?

Count me in too, I can hump the M249 and my Sig, make coffee and take point.

Comment by Flaming Liberal

Jewells45 and JonB:

Well, this liberal is completely disgusted not only by the outrageous treatment of our soldiers but by the idiotic attempt at any sort of moral equivalency by anyone - whether they’re out here on the left wing with me or not - of what happened to those poor guys with what went on in Abu Gharib.

We need to stop calling the people who do those kinds of atrocities - the genitals-in-the-mouth stuff not the panties stuff - what they are. They are not terrorists. They are either (pick’em):

A. Garden variety sick fuck murderers, or
B. Enemy combatants

Either way, “Happiness is a Warm Gun” sounds about right to me.

At the same time, let me say that the Abu Gharib stuff was ridiculous. Ridiculous that it was allowed to happen and ridiculous that anyone would try to put that one the same plane with these atrocities. It mostly looked like fraternity pranks to me (something I know something about from my days in college in the South).

But also - the fact that there are many Americans who (again, without equivalencing it) were outraged that our soldiers would do that to prisoners at Abu Gharib sends a clear message. Sure the leaders of the murderers/combatants want to say “See what they do to our people!” and stir their potential supporters up, but my gut (along with my wife’s experience living in the Middle East) tells me that Mr. Average Abdul sees it for what it really is. Stupid, but not the same as torturous, sadistic murder.

So no, JonB, I do not privately take ANY PLEASURE WHATSOEVER in tht news. I say that as someone who (for example) worked hard, from the very beginning, to get Howard Dean the Democratic nomination and who proudly considers himself a progressive - what you would call a liberal. Dean, despite what the right-owned media spins, was the only one on our side with balls by the way, but that’s a fight for another day.

And the fact, JonB, is that they - the sadistic combatants - would do it to any American at all. Christian or not, conservative or a “libtard” like me. We’d be meat and they would make no distinction. We need to take our guys out of their gunsights - and we can’t do it by simply sticking around until we’ve killed all of them. They’re just breeding more. We need to change the minds of the people on the ground and the only way to do that is to stop being occupiers. Saddam is gone, we liberated them from him, but now we’re just a handy target and we need to stop being one and let Iraqis solve Iraqi problems.

Guys, we need to get our political leadership, on both sides, to figure this out. We won, kids, in Iraq, and that’s from someone who was VERY against our going there in the first place.

But the fact is as much as I despise him we did what Bush said we needed to do. We need him to declare Actual Victory and start - start - moving our troops elsewhere. Not by driving a “we’ll be gone by” date into the sand. Not cut-and-run (I don’t see how it could be “cut and run” after we’ve been there four years) but we need to tell the Iraqi government, now that there IS one, that we’re leaving. We’re leaving, we’re STARTING officially leaving on this date, and we’ll be gone in the next 12-24 months. Maybe by Christmas, 2007 (”I’ll be home for Christmas?”).

Telling them we’re leaving makes them start to get off their asses and get serious about their own security. After all, we already did everything Bush said we needed to do:

- We removed Saddam from power
- We made sure Iraq had now WMD (so if you’ve been losing sleep over that you can relax)
- We made sure they held reasonably free elections
- We made sure they wrote their own constitution
- We made sure they created a government on the basis of those elections

Fine. Let’s leave. Let’s start the re-tasking/stateside rotation now. Let’s start leaving the kinds of murderous sickos that did this to our amazing soldiers with the only choice that will defeat them - training their fire on other Iraqis instead of us. That will stop their “insurgency” - fueled by non-Iraqi Al Qaida which knew an opening when it saw one - faster than anything we could do.

Comment by Jewells45

Flaming liberal:

I want our troops home as much as anyone, but when the people in charge there say the Iraqis are ready, when the Iraqis themselves say they are ready to take over, then we leave. Not one moment sooner. We are making great progress, but they simply are not ready yet. Why is that so hard for libs to understand?

Comment by Cheapshot911

FlamingLib still has CRS

We need him to declare Actual Victory and start - start - moving our troops elsewhere

A’la Vietnam. No victory, just the declaration and the Big Bolt with no regard whatsoever to the RESULTS of the mission, or the ensuing bloodbath that follows.
Verrrry liberal indeed.

Comment by LC Staci GBOR

Great post for all the moonbats on moral equivalence. Read the whole thing…. pretty good.

Comment by juandos

LC Staci (#31) says: “Great post for all the moonbats on moral equivalence. Read the whole thing…. pretty good.“…

Naw! This won’t work for moonbats… Not enough pictures to explain what the words mean…

Comment by Cheapshot911

Sometimes the job aint done till the fat lady sings, in Faluja!

Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

The sad truth is these sick left wing fucks want us to lose…..always our responsibility what other people do…………funny how they don’t apply the same standard to themselves much of the time. But if the term born loser ever meant anaything, now is the time…..personally I would rather fight them on a battlefield than I would the terrorists. Snuff them out like the sick vermin they remain.

Comment by RobH

Yeah, baby!

The real reason we need to wipe barbarians off the planet is because of their hygiene!

They STINK - and gee, they torture, mutilate, and behead brave patriotic Americans.

Maybe we can get through to the Left that this is really just a “personal hygiene” issue and maybe then they’ll understand!

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Comment by Nanashi

Anyhow, I hope that referring to this person of error by the handle of Scotland’s favorite apostle doesn’t catch on.

Don’t worry, Xystus. As a Scot, I can assure you that we’d all know the difference.

Fine. Let’s leave. Let’s start the re-tasking/stateside rotation now.

As much as everyone here would dearly love to do that, there are a few problems. I’m going to crib this from my brother’s site, hope no one minds.

…[I]f we surrender to adversity and terror like Spain and abandon the Iraqi people, one of two things will happen. Either:

Saddam’s brown-shirt thugs and their Ba’ath Party toadies stage a coup relying on what little military organization they still have left (after the 1st Marine Division gave them a much-overdue ass-whooping) and take control of Iraq and lay in the groundwork for another despot to take power, quite possibly another Saddam. End result? We’ll be back here to do this whole thing over again in 5-10 years.

Or

Al-Sadr and his Illiterate Fanatics Club better known as the Mahdi Army take power, ushering in yet another extremist-run theocracy which, at best, will resemble the Iranian Inquisition and at worst will be in the likeness of the Taliban administration we just toppled in Afghanistan. What Al-Qaeda lost in Afghanistan they may yet gain in Iraq if we were to leave now. End result? We’re back here to do this whole thing over again in 5-10 years.

There is, of course, a third possibility — one of the above is attempted and the Iraqi population at large (particularly in the case of the Kurds) resist it, sending the country into a bloody civil war to prevent either of the above from happening. End result? Probably back here again in 5-10 months, after plenty of finger-pointing.

Either way you slice it, leaving now is only gonna leave Iraq in chaos that will resolve into yet another cluster that will have us back here to do this whole thing over again sometime down the road and confirm to the Iraqi people the common Arab stereotype that Americans only care about Americans because we pulled out before Iraq was ready to take over its own security due primarily to popularity problems back home.

Now, he posted this back when he was in Iraq (the second time!) in 2004, so it may be a wee bit dated. But a lot of that still holds true. Yes, Al-Daquiri (as Touto-san calls him) may be comfortably roasting in the bowels of Hades, but there’s still plenty of Illiterate Fanatics Club boys out there ready and willing to make everyone else suffer for their fanaticism. Pulling out now would cause more problems for both us and the Iraqis if we did this at this very moment.