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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Where Indeed?

Where is the outrage? LC & IB Kiril asks that question in this must-read of a post.

Read it all, then come back here.

Where IS the outrage?

Allow me to quote from a bit describing what those animals did to our soldiers:

have their hearts cut out, their testicles cut off, their penises cut off and stuffed in their mouths, arms contorted and eyes gouged?

…and that’s not mentioning the beheading.

And what do we hear from the puling, pissant, terrorist-supporting MSM? Nothing. They don’t even have the courage to describe what those fucking sand lice did, presumably because they don’t want us to get angry with the ululating chimps hopping around with rags on their heads, waving their scimitars and committing atrocities that would make Dr. Mengele curl his toes.

What we DO hear is an endless litany about Abu Ghraib, Haditha and the fact that a few of the koranimal insects have killed themselves at Gitmo.

Cry me a fucking river, will you?

Oh, and don’t give me a lot of bull about the Geneva Conventions either. If anybody invoking them had ever bothered to actually read them, as have I, they’d know that it specifically DOESN’T apply to subhuman lifeforms like the ones that tortured PFCs Tucker and Menchaca to death. I won’t bother going over it again and I don’t have to, since LC & IB Confederate Yankee already did it for me.

And don’t give me the “but we’re better than them” mantra either. We are. WE DON’T HAVE TO PROVE IT!

You fight fair, you get treated fair. You follow the rules, we follow the rules. That’s how you play the game. If you’re playing to win, that is, which is what I thought we were doing. Obviously I was wrong. Winning isn’t important here. Losing is OK, as long as you can tell your genitally mutilated daughters that at least you didn’t get your hands dirty when you fought and lost against Islam and Shariah.

Well, I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that.

War is a brutal, unpleasant, nasty affair, which is why we don’t engage in it unless we have a good reason to. It’s also a match with only one winner, and it really sucks being the loser. Ask the residents of Carthage, Constantinople, Dresden and Hiroshima. And in order to win, you have to find out what the enemy’s weaknesses are, what will utterly destroy him, and then exploit them until they’re left with no capacity to resist.

In other words: You make it abundantly clear to them that resistance is useless, that they’re beaten and that they can choose to surrender or die like pigs. And, trust me on this one, three squares and a cot in sunny Cuba with prayer mats and free korans isn’t the way to go. That’s not going to make them fear us, that’s not going to make them think twice. As a matter of fact, considering their standard of living, going to Gitmo is probably the best thing that could ever happen to them. At least that way all they have to bitch about is whether the rice pilaf and the Duck a l’Orange is warm enough.

Where’s the outrage?

Two of our soldiers, both of them scrupulously following the Geneva Conventions, were tortured, mutilated and murdered in the most abominable of ways, and all we hear is how it was “all our fault” and how we must “punish those of ours who might have transgressed against our enemies?”


If we’re doing anything wrong, it’s that we’re not being brutal enough!

The bastards are laughing at us, knowing that we’ll never ever overcome our political correctness, that we’ll never stop the self-flagellations, that we’ll never ever start fighting in a way that will make them fear us.


If you think that war is a popularity contest, kindly get your worthless ass off my planet.

95 Responses to “Where Indeed?”
  1. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Even without Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and Haditha, this still would have happened. You are right, we have been too soft on them. Cut off all of their penises - if you can find them - and feed them to the pigs.

  2. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

    No, split the group in half, and pick one survivor. then burn one half of them, and frre the burnt corpses to a herd of pigs, then shoot the other half, and feed them to thepigs as well. then release the survivor to tell everyone else what he’s seen with the message that this will happen to every terrorist caught! These animals in this part of the world won’t cooperate unless you threaten them with their life 75-90% of the time!

  3. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

    Local paper had a front page lower right hand corner artical on it.

    Title was “Savagery may still exist in Iraq” or something like that.

  4. Unregistered Comment by thefrollickingmole

    Our “brave” and unbiased National broadcaster here in Oz hasnt mentioned bugger all about your poor blokes, but managed to spend 5 minutes reporting on allegations 1 civillian was killed by marines. They also used that time to rehash EVERY other allegation against US troops.

    Our media is a joke.

  5. Michael Comment by Michael UNITED STATES

    I said it before the only way to send a message to AL Queda that we are not fucking around is meeting thier violence with something that would Make OBL puke- Like making an example of a Mecca via a Neutron Bomb then when its repopulated nuke it with a H-bomb- then Median then go to every Important city in Islam and make an example of it.

  6. Unregistered Comment by Diego SPAIN

    Here in Spain where All American is loved, except Americans that is, just a very small mention of this disgusting story.

    Of course Haditha is mentioned regularly and every other possible wrongdoing.

    Dead Marines? nah, they deserved it.

    Can´t stand it.

  7. Unregistered Comment by Beth T.

    You’re asking, I’ve asked, Bill O’Reilly and E.D. Hill [passionately, so, I might add] have asked… Along with many others. Outrage? My feelings are stronger than outrage! And, yet, NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, is going to change.

    I feel as though there must be “something” I am just not understanding, here. With so many of “us” knowing how wrong this is - that the seven Marines and one Navy man being charged with murder - being the headline of the day, next to the Duke rape [WhoTF cares!] - and our Commander in Chief in Vienna addressing the EU-US summit, more concerned with closing Guantanamo, than stressing the need to eliminate a force that will stop at nothing to achieve its goal of annihilation of the “Western” world as we know it.

    Planes as weapons of mass destruction hasn’t worked, a cache of “WMD” just discovered won’t open “their” eyes, bombings of commuter trains in Spain and subways in London went “whoosh” right over their heads… And, now, the horrific, brutal, torturous desecration of two young soldiers in retaliation to “our” serving a few “rag heads” some cold chicken and parading them with panties on their heads!

    Just makes me want to scream, WTF IS IT GOING TO TAKE for YOU PEOPLE to OPEN YOUR EYES!!!???

    Nope, sorry, no amount of letter writing to our elected officials is going to do it; oh sure, “we’ll make some changes in November” but that isn’t going to do it either. As long as so many heads out there remained buried in the sand, as long as the MSM continues to spew its one-sided blather, and as long as our Commander In Chief continues to let himself be walked upon like a piece of 70’s shag carpet, absolutely nothing is going to change.

    There. Thanks for letting me rant a bit. At least I feel better… if still more than outraged at the mere thought of what Privates Thomas Tucker and Kristian Menchaca must have experienced at the hands of “those” barbarians!

  8. Unregistered Comment by cranky UNITED STATES

    Reprisals can have a value in shaping our opponents’ views. As a minimum, at least 1,000 of them and their families for each of ours. Pick a town, a village, and kill every living thing there. Flatten, literally, the town so that it is as if it were never there. Repeat.

  9. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Not to worry though, the so called, “news media” (don’t questiong their patriotism!) will continue to post stories like the following in a more shrill like manner as more progress is being made agaisnt the terrorist towel heads:

    Marines Announce Murder, Other Charges

    We do have to remember those oh so informed Hollywood moonbats will be given a platform to rant and rave from also:

    Angelina Jolie criticizes Iraq war and US priorities


  10. I hate liberals Comment by I hate liberals UNITED STATES

    I get a kick out of these people who say we shouldn’t stoop to their level. I feel we should teach these animals a lesson!

  11. DJM Comment by DJM UNITED STATES

    A friend of mine has studied the mentality of these Islamic fanatics and tells me this: those off to martyr themselves are very careful to clean themselves up before committing the deed. They wear lots of cologne because one of their beliefs is that the cleaner they smell when they die, the more attractive they’ll be to the 72 virgins in paradise. Feeding their corpses to pigs would be the best deterrent because of their fear that, not only would they possibly smell of shit in paradise, they’ll smell of pig shit.

    What you have to do, he said, is feed the bodies to pigs, and then line the pig enclosures with the waste, mixing it into the soil, so the pigs will actually reside on the insurgents remains as long as possible.

    This idea may sound odd and absurd, but consider some of the primitive beliefs and notions that radical Islamist have. It’s a winner if you ask me.

  12. Unregistered Trackback by CatHouse Chat

    Barbaric redux…

    Tuesday I called those terrorist who tortured and murdered our soldiers “barbarians.” However, I’m beginning to wonder who the real barbarians are. When our media and politicians ignore these atrocities and instead focus on the frat-pranks of Abu Gh…

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  14. Unregistered Comment by ichpokhudezh UNITED STATES

    While many haven’t had any illusions of who are fighting with, the media’s failure to stress the reason we need to fight terrorism and put the in-human face on our enemy is extremely disappointing.

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  16. Darth Brooks Comment by Darth Brooks

    Destroy them all. Leave not a single stone standing. Make everyone aware that we are a great friend, but a terrible enemy.

  17. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Well we know where the hildabitch’s priorities are: Republicans are a “disgrace” for playing politics with the war in Iraq, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton charged yesterday as she moved to turn the spotlight away from Democratic infighting over when to withdraw U.S. troops.

    “They choose to tar all who disagree with an open-ended, unconditional commitment as unpatriotic, as waving the white flag of surrender. They may not have a war strategy, but they do have an election strategy,” Clinton charged on the Senate floor.

    “The politically motivated resolutions put forth by leading Republicans to gain tactical partisan advantage are a disgrace,” she fumed.

    What a disgraceful sow!

  18. DumbAss Tanker Comment by DumbAss Tanker

    It’s a lot more complicated than “Ewwww, we don’t DO that.” Once you let your troops go down that road, you end up with a band of undisciplined rapissts and bandits wearing uniforms…like the Japanese in Nanking or Manila, or the Russians in Chechnya.

  19. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane UNITED STATES

    We had this same discussion on “hot Air” the other day and it caused several people to be “banned” Personally, I think its time to take the fucking gloves off and make a few examples of these godless bastards.

    Duty, Honor, Country
    (in THAT order)

  20. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher UNITED STATES


  21. ORWAC86 Comment by ORWAC86 UNITED STATES

    re: #8 Unfortunately, we can’t project what WE consider to be harsh retaliatory measures on those “people” because to them it isn’t harsh. It didn’t work for the Soviets in Afghanistan in the ’80’s who basically did exactly that. It would make some of us ( and our troops ) feel better, revenge wise, but it wouldn’t solve the problem. Saddam kept the “peace” through the sheer terror of the populace. That’s all most of those folks over there understand. Americans are just not about terrorizing innocent people.Nor do we want to be.Best we leave ‘em to their own devices. We can protect America and US interests without sacrificing our troops. Screw “nation building”, let ‘em rot in the hell of their own making. The troops have been dying for mulsims, and they (muslims) aint worth the death of a stray dog, let alone an American.
    BTW..I AM FUCKING OUTRAGED.The msm can’t afford to have the American sheeple pissed, there might be armed masses burning mosques, beheading muslims, holding politicians accountable, you know, REACTING to these outrages.

  22. Unregistered Comment by fast_rope71 UNITED STATES

    #18 dumbass tanker - That’s why you don’t leave it to the troops. Instead, you have a group of angry civilians, like myself, who are angry enough to do it for them. They capture, we take care of the rest. I’ll volunteer for that duty. I’m sure I can find at least one person with a website to post the reslts on.

    “My chansaw, a video camera, and an armada of swine. Be quick about it..”

    What we do need to give the troops is the very clear message that they are our first concern. In other words, no leaking stories to the media until the investigation is complete and reprimands (verbal or written) have been issued.

  23. LXi Comment by LXi BAHRAIN

    I’m in the military, currently deployed to an undisclosed “hot, sandy region.” I’ve been in nearly 9 years, and over that time, I’ve seen our leadership greatly improve. However, our media coverage has gone down steadily since November 2001.

    It bothered me when it first started, and it still bothers me a little now. But, the way I look at it, right now we’re the “parents”. Those of you with kids know that, as their parent, you’re going to do what you believe is right for your children. You’re going to give them good things, protect them, and provide for them, whether they’re happy about it or not.

    That’s what the military is for our country - no matter how much journaljizzming they try to spray over our efforts, no matter how many elites think we’re oh-so bad, no matter how much they complain about conditions in Club Gitmo, even if they go out like the Ditzy Twits and say they don’t see the need for patriotism… We do. So, we do what we do, which is our dead-level best to make these terrorists so scared of us that they wouldn’t dare touch us.

    I was encouraged to hear about the plot to release gas in the NY subway had been called off. The article said that they didn’t know why they called it off - I do. They didn’t want to be nuked off the face of the planet! Another attack within our shores would only steel the American people for the battle that lies ahead. Right now, a lot of people in our country are starting to question why we’re doing what we’re doing over here. That would answer their questions in spades.

    We will “support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” whether anyone likes it or not! (Now go eat your vegetables…) ;)

  24. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher UNITED STATES

    I can’t condone torture.

    But I have no problem with teaching these animals exactlky why you do not mistreat prisoners.

    Pick out 10 top ranked terrorist for each murdered POW … preferable ones liked by the group that committed the crime, and publicly hang them. Preferably in the town where the act was committed.

  25. Unregistered Comment by LC Theresa

    So far, from what I’ve seen, Mark Kennedy is the only congressman to stand up and saying something about the total silence by our fearless leaders. I think President Bush should curtail his EU ass kissing tour and visit the families personally and also attend the funerals. Not because of political bullshit, but because it’s the right and moral thing to do. And fuck what the leftards have to say about it. This incident deserves his personal attention. I’m beyond rage about this. Please God let the snake eaters find these vermin soon. As for the sub-humans claiming that PFC Menchaca and PFC Tucker deserved their fate, may you rot in hell you fucking terrorist loving bastards.

  26. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy UNITED STATES

    Over the years, I have been a great many things but the one thing I have been longer than any other is a martial arts instructor.

    One evening, at school where I was teaching in FL., the instructional staff was informed that the handicapped father of a junior student had been accosted, attacked & roughed up while on a walk in his neighborhood.
    We stood silently for a moment, each quietly absorbing this news (it was a fairly rural area of W. Central FL. - well outside of the expected influence of that sh**hole, Tampa).

    Then I looked around and asked: “Okay, when are we going?”
    (as it happened, the goblins had been identified, but the Pasco S.O. had decided that, since no weapons had been used and no one had been “seriously” injured, it classified as a ’simple assault’ - a misdemeanor requiring a police-witness of the ‘incident’ for an arrest)
    Everyone (except the master instructor, to his credit) looked at me like deer caught in headlights.

    Then someone said “What, you mean like going out for revenge?” (my turn to look around as if at sudden extra appendages)
    I quelled the impulse to get angry at rampant stupidity (this is not a student, dammit, why do I have to explain this) and gave them the rundown, as it had been given to me long ago:

    “No matter what we do, what we know, how hard we train or how competent we become at this thing we do - we simply have to accept that we cannot be everywhere at once, and no matter how sufficient we may be in OUR OWN defense - we will always be vulnerable, through the people we care about.

    That being the case, the best we can do for them and their safety from the grinks, groinks & drongos is to make it clear, in no uncertain terms, that these people are OUR people and that this make them off-limits. The best (many times only) way to keep them safe when we can’t be there is to make the price for hurting them both well-known and too high for anyone to want to pay.”

    That is as true now - in this situation - as it was then in that one.
    I have no problem with a friend of mine getting his ass kicked in a regular, stand-up fight. It happens.
    But that’s not what we’re talking about here.
    To the matter of ‘rapists and uniformed bandits’ - adopting a policy of “We will not let this sort of thing pass” can be as disciplined as any other Op - in fact, it’s even scarier when carried out that way when everyone knows what it’s for.

    (while what I spoke that day was as true and real as it is now, it was met with much the same mutterings of ‘we can’t…’ and ‘civilized society’ as we’re hearing today. People want to be safe, but they are unwilling to carve out that safety for themselves. - as it turned out, I wasn’t at that school much longer after that)

    - MuscleDaddy

  27. JannyMae Comment by JannyMae UNITED STATES

    Those who have commented already have said it better than I possibly could.

    Be it known that I share your rage and disgust.

  28. DumbAss Tanker Comment by DumbAss Tanker

    Fast rope, believe me, I’d LOVE to discuss my heart-of-hearts desired disposition of these skidmarks, but I’m supposed to be part of the adult supervision so it wouldn’t be fitting.

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  30. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl UNITED STATES

    I think President Bush should curtail his EU ass kissing tour and visit the families personally and also attend the funerals.

    I agree whole-heartedly with you, LC Theresa. I was thinking that this morning. Instead, he’s listening to the EUroshits voice their “humanitarian concerns” over the rights of the *spit* detainies *spit* at Guantanamo. He’s probably nodding in agreement with them. Where is Bush’s humanity? Where is his decency? I am absolutely sick over what these cockroaches, this filth, did to PFCs Tucker and Mancheca.

  31. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi UNITED STATES

    …like the Japanese in Nanking or Manila, or the Russians in Chechnya.

    With Ahmahbadjihadi shaking the nuke spear and yelling, “Over hear…Hey!…Look at me!”; where are the bulk of the WMDs? Syria? Algeria? Sudan?
    With Zark da Arc-owiee mentioning in an internal memo how he needs the Americans to attack Iran, and his replacement ramps up the ed/photo/terror ops; will we back off in our involvement in the GWoT? Face off with Iran and these pikers would continue to stab us in the back.

    With the Meddling Socialist Muttfuckers willing to be the propaganist arm for the terrorist scum; will we continue to let them get away with it? The socialist wanna-bees are losing their grip. We must endeaver to persevere and back it up with aggresive and extreme prejudice.

    We must make carefull and firm policy on how to handle the type of cruel treatment of captured soldiers.
    No prisoners comes to mind. Dispatched like a mad dog…right there…on the spot. F**k intel assets and housing these Assholes for Allah™.

    Listening to the waffling Dems debate (my ass) on the Senate floor for a vote on “Phased withdrawal” I see that they would prefer to wait until after elections in November to change any policy about Iraq. Who’s using this war for their political posturing, Hill-Billy?

  32. Unregistered Comment by Uchuck the Tuchuck

    For those who have advocated a “nuke Mecca” or “pick a vilage and level it” response, you are reacting exactly the way the enemy wants you to. This attrocity was not committed to avenge some alleged torture at Guantanamo or humiliation at Abu Ghraib. It was committed specifically to generate and American retaliation-in-kind. If American troops go on a rampage it will serve the purposes of the terrorists in a variety of ways:

    +Further erosion of popular support for the war effort on the U.S. Home Front and a big morale boost for all of the neo-hippies who lay awake at night stroking themselves at the thought of another My Lai.

    +Damage to the morale of the troops in the field as they are condemned in the media as barbarians and baby killers, accelerating a trend already far too apparent in the mainstream media.

    +Fuel for the terrorists’ propaganda campaign as an example of the evils of the “American/Zionist/Crusader conspiracy.”

    +Destruction of any “hearts and minds” gains to date.

    I think MuscleDaddy has hit the right chord here. A disciplined response, tightly focused on the rat-bastards who did it rather than indiscriminate slaughter.

  33. Unregistered Comment by IB LC Lady Heather GLOR UNITED STATES

    I’m ready to go all General Pershing over this Islamic scum.

    This should not even be a Geneva Convention scenario. So spare me you leftist enablers. We could have taken care of this long time ago, except for the handwringing from the Left here and elsewhere in the West.

    We’re dealing with the face of evil here. We catch them, we make examples of them.

    Now, where can I send the pig entrails and blood?

  34. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi UNITED STATES

    How about a fine American pig skinned football up their anal canal.
    With the words, “For the Gipper!”, emblazoned in red, white, and blue on it.

  35. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi UNITED STATES

    Wooo Hooo!
    sKerry-Feingold bill for redeployment of troops by 2007 is Defeated.

    Time wasting in congress should be a Capitol offence…it certainly offends me.

  36. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    re: “I think MuscleDaddy has hit the right chord here. A disciplined response, tightly focused on the rat-bastards who did it rather than indiscriminate slaughter“…

    I think MuscleDaddy (though I sympathize with his sentiments) should reconsider his comments in the light of history…

  37. Unregistered Comment by BaneSidhe

    How about we just line em up all through the “international zone” in front of the hotel where the MSM is quartered at?

    And by line them up I mean, place sharpened stakes in the ground and IMPALE THEM THROUGH THE FUCKING ASS and let them die slowly in the heat, have a web came going, better yet get their families and do the same. These people understand one language, violence. The geneva convention doesn’t apply to them, hell they’ve admitted that on occasion. Take us back to the old days of Rome, they refuse to submitt? Open their homes and towns to sack and plunder. sell the survivors off into slavery or something

  38. Unregistered Comment by Kiril UNITED STATES

    And so The Mad Macedonian returns!

    It has been far too long since I last left a comment in these parts.

    Thank you for the link, oh Wise One.

    It seems my peice caught the attention of a few folks.

    I have included a link to your essay in an update at the end of it.

    The purpose of the update is to give much needed attention to other well written, and thought out essays such as ours that will give the world some much needed insight into what the majority of Americans are really thinking.

    With this list I want to do my small part to get the word out.

    If your readers know of similar essays I’d love to know about them.

  39. Unregistered Trackback by Sneakeasy's Joint

    Americans Need to be Outraged…

    Two American Soldiers were brutally tortured, and murdered. Where’s the Outrage? Here, and here, for starters. ( Bless you BOTH!! ) Oh, and here, too! ;-D ( PLEASE see the end of this essay for an IMPORTANT update to a…

  40. lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid Comment by lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid

    what do you mean, Juandos?

  41. Unregistered Comment by JonB UNITED STATES

    Al Qaeda is not our most dangerous enemy. They are not the ones we should be fighting against. Our true enemy lies within our own borders.

    The media will not change its ways until every last one of the sniveling assholes that run this crap lays dead on the street with a gaping hole in their head.

    As that will never be done, we are doomed to slowly be rotted from the inside by people who laugh and take pleasure in the way these soldiers died.

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  43. jaybear Comment by jaybear UNITED STATES

    why weren’t some of those preening drunken so-called journalists assigned to the recovery task force that picked up what was left of PFC. Menchaca and Tucker. They should have been ordered to go along, at gunpoint if necessary, and then help load the bodies up. Maybe that would change their perspective a little.

    When the first concentration camps were discovered during WWII, that was the first thing Eisenhower did…get journalists in there and document it. To paint the whole war in stark black and white..good versus evil….just in case there was any doubt. That’s what should be done here, it’s way past time to put this whole Goddamned war in black and white, and not be afraid to shine the light on our enemies…be they domestic or foreign.

    I remember reading an editorial in our local paper not long ago. It was written by some snotty socialist englishman. He was bleating on about the atrocities of Abu Ghraib and Gitmo and the purported massacre. He said that’s what we should expect from our “Army of the Slum“….do you get what he meant by that? He was acknowledging the lie that our military is a collection pool for the poor and disaffected of our society, the gangsters and criminals who infect our ghettos…..the sneering, snotty, son of a bitch. I don’t understand how creatures like him can call what they do respectable.

    For your reading pleasure, here’s the latest headlines at the cnn website:

    Courthouse locked down after man skips hearing U.S. World Cup hopes dashed by Ghana
    Senate rejects calls for withdrawal from Iraq
    U.S. considers small cut in Iraq troops
    Relatives shocked by Marine murder allegations
    War, war of words, heat up in Afghanistan
    Motorcyclist killed in rush-hour lightning strike
    Cher’s helmet support doesn’t budge Marines
    Volcano larger than Washington, D.C., discovered
    11 cousins fear stomachs lethal, take them out
    Who’s taking all those paper clips and pens?
    Oprah, hip-hop crew in ‘ho me down’ showdown

    important stuff no?, the details of this story have already been hidden away….just like most of those on the left, they prefer to keep their heads in the sand, afraid to define good and evil or to admit their mistakes.

  44. bigdicksplace Comment by bigdicksplace

    One other thing is going on right now as well.
    It’s going on throughout the Infantry Corps of both the Army and Marines. It’s a cold, personal hatred, which can’t be understood unless you own the light blue braided cord.
    Somebody brutalized two of their brothers. Somebody stepped far over the line. Those people have to pay. Anyone who helped them has to pay. Anyone aligned with them will have to pay.
    Young men trained in the art of annihilation across Iraq and Afghanistan have a very different sort of hatred building within them as I write.

    For the American Grunt, it’s payback time. Politics has no part in this.
    The terrorists on the other hand, have no clue as to the hell they’ll be in for. No quarter will be given, no mercy will be shown. To put it mildly, it’ll be very fucking ugly.
    Your wildest nightmares, your darkest, most perverted thoughts couldn’t even begin to cover what’s about to happen.
    I’d like to partake. I’d certainly like to watch. Get ‘em boys. Enjoy it.

  45. jaybear Comment by jaybear UNITED STATES

    Roger what bigdicksplace said. God Speed and good hunting you guys.

  46. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    Your wildest nightmares, your darkest, most perverted thoughts couldn’t even begin to cover what’s about to happen. I’d like to partake. I’d certainly like to watch. Get ‘em boys. Enjoy it.

    I do hope they are able to do it and get away with it. I would have to say that being a journalist in Iraq just got a whole lot more dangerous.

    Hell even in peace time we took care of our own. I was in Germany when two of our medics got beat by some local Germans in a mostly all German bar (the guys shouldn’t have been in there). They beat them with baseball bats nearly to death (one spent more than a year in physical therapy).

    Our battalion commander called a battalion formation and told us the news. He then related a story about how when he was younger that wouldn’t have stood, basically giving us permission to right the situation.

    Nearly 200 angry, very large Infantrymen visited that bar the following evening. When it was over 32 Germans were in the hospital, there was no bar left (the furnishings having relocated to the street and sidewalks) and 28 soldiers were in a German jail (the rest having been able to escape).

    Thier 1SG’s came down, bailed them out and claimed jurisdiction under the Status of Forces treaty.

    Not one of those soldiers even faced an article 15.

    3 got promoted within a week.

    To the best of my knowledge, there wasn’t another assault on an American soldier during the following 3 years that I was there.


    Alexander the Great knew how to handle these people when he invaded and conquered the Persian Empire and its a pity we cant {because of all this PC bullshit that the liberal/leftists push on us all} do exactly what he did.

    Alexander was a gracious conquerer to those Persian citys that surrendered to him, even those who may have fought him at first. He did so to prove that he was a great man and with mercy to those he would rule. He knew that without people to run the lands that were now his, the land was worthless.

    But, if after Alexander left that city as he continued his search to conquer all the known world, the citizens rose up in revolt, his fury and revenge was terrible. He would make an example of that city for all the others to see what would befall them if they betrayed his trust and mercy. His men would butcher all the citizens of that city without mercy, even the livestock and leave nothing at all but ruin.

    THATS what should and needs to be done. Oh, im not saying to every city and village of Iraq, but those that willingly and knowlingly give refuge and supplies and even reinforcements to terrorists, those villages should be made an example of. The culture in the ME, they do understand and respect such brute force and vengefull tactics just as Alexander did. He had more troubles with his own Macedonian soldiers who wanted to return home, than he did with the people of the Persian Empire once they had a taste or two of his quick and merciless revenge.

    Its a shame that the US is so beatdown by this PC crap and the terrorists know this, thats why they did this horrible act, not to dare us to take action as they firmly believe that we wont, or cant, all because of those who are in the Fifth Column in this nation-The MSM and many liberals/leftists who force us to play by Geneva Convention Rules while the terrorists, for all to see, plainly do not. I would bet that if we suddenly wised up and hammered these terrorist forces and those who support them into the ground like a railroad spike, they would loose their will to fight from sheer terror of what would befall them and their families and friends.

  48. Nanashi Comment by Nanashi UNITED STATES

    I vote for DJM’s suggestion. Hit ‘em where it really counts. We can be “tolerant” and “multi-cultural” all we want when they’re gone.

  49. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy

    I think MuscleDaddy (though I sympathize with his sentiments) should reconsider his comments in the light of history…
    - juandos

    what do you mean, Juandos?
    - lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid

    I’d like to know, too…

    - MuscleDaddy

  50. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    Whatever we end up doing to the koranimals (and I hope it is messy, unpleasant, painful, involves pigs, and takes a long time), I think we need to save a little bit for our own glorious fourth estate, and the nimrods in Congress who are ready to board the capitulation express, and want to use this as more support for their contemptable and inexecusable position on this subject. After all, these are the same weasels who would have us believe that the real outrage is the fact that they were there at all, and it is ALL BUSH’S FAULT. He, and he alone is to blame. After all, he was C-I-C when some soldiers put panties on some koranimal’s head at Abu AssGrab, so this is simply a measured and appropriate response from these ‘freedom fighters’.

  51. Unregistered Comment by LC Joseph Dromedary


    You are entirely correct brother. Every single mission and operation, from now on, will have the images of these two troopers deeply embedded in the minds and hearts of the Marines and Paras.
    There need be no “likewise” atrocities. Just a cold, calculated determination to martyr every single jihadi motherfucker that comes into the sight picture.

    Don’t bother throwing down your AK or RPG and holding up your hands, Achmed. That. is. over.

    I now await the count of prisoners to go down and the body count to rise dramatically.

    Good hunting, lads.

  52. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    why weren’t some of those preening drunken so-called journalists assigned to the recovery task force that picked up what was left of PFC. Menchaca and Tucker. They should have been ordered to go along, at gunpoint if necessary, and then help load the bodies up. Maybe that would change their perspective a little.

    I like that idea - a lot!

    BTW, LC Ranger: My brother’s girlfriend’s son (a young Marine), took part in a WWII commemoration a couple of years ago in France. A French officer who was also involved in the event was very vocal in dissing America. I don’t know what the insult was that pushed Jamie over the edge, but there was a French officer with some broken ribs, a matching nose, and a few less teeth when the dust settled. Jamie spent some time in the brig, got his pay temporarily docked and got reprimanded (but some moments are worth it!).

    For what it’s worth, Jamie was only 19. He did his bit in Fallujah, and because of him there are 10 fewer “insurgents” to worry about. I need to find out where he is now, because if he is back to serving in this neck of the woods, these barbarians really DO have something coming their direction!

  53. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Oh, I forgot, Jamie had to take an “anger management” class - is that counter-productive or what?

  54. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES


    Military Anger Management classes consist of a large Sergeant screaming at you for two weeks for getting caught.

  55. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911 UNITED STATES

    Like the Man said, it’s a war of civilizations.
    If we be held to the Geneva Convention (This is the handy alphabetical search)
    …where we find.

    To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

    No bit of this protection left unsplattered.

    Now this old document becomes another terrorist tool, just like the libertards who’s traitorious statements are celebrated on aljizzya to the detriment of our cause.
    They cannot win militarily, only inflict just enough mayhem to provoke a wet-legged retreat by their favorite audience and closest ally: The World Left.
    That’s their plan to conquer the world.
    Kindly correct any error’s of my facts or logic here.

  56. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    Sorry, still a bit under the weather here, I’m afraid.

    No, I’m most definitely not in favor of going apeshit on the vast majority of Iraqis who are completely innocent and as eager to get rid of the terrorist bastards as we are.

    What I AM in favor of is ending this cuddly-wuddly treatment of the ones we capture and our insane obsession with their welfare. Start executing the bastards, then bury them in holes full of pig innards. Get whatever information they might have from them, then execute them.

    Why in the name of all that’s good and holy we’re even BOTHERING with discussing the applicability of the Geneva Conventions to those sadistic, child-murdering animals is beyond me. It’s time for that fucking nonsense to STOP and for some gallows to be built.

  57. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Ranger: Thanks! That helps to know! I don’t know how he could have got his licks in without getting caught. BTW, how do you find a Marine if you are not actually a family member? The last I knew, he was in Spain, and they were making him into an “office bitch” (his words) while he recovered from ankle surgery. I suppose I could try to reach his mom, but there might be an easier way.

  58. Unregistered Comment by BaneSidhe

    Burn the cities and sow the ruins with salt. That is what these people will understand.

  59. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911 UNITED STATES

    My best Gesundt Sire.

    That’s what I’d like to see, give our brain bender and mink mulchers some lattitude to do what hollyweird hasn’t bollock’s to do.
    Psychology works on this enemy, if the volt/amps are applied correctly.
    ‘Heard scuttle-but about Huey’s being’ the best intel generators in Vietnam; Take 3 tough guys up, kick one out, ‘can’t shut the others up. Whatever works.

  60. asm826 Comment by asm826 UNITED STATES

    I carry the outrage. Look to me. Let them hate so long as they fear. Kill them until the few survivors beg for our mercy. I will not bend. I will not give in to fear or sympathy. I will not forget. Call it a Crusade. The 21st Century Crusade to save what remains of civilization for our time.
    The problem with our current administration is that they are still approaching this like politicians. We need leaders to see this as a fight for the remaining light in the world. To stand against the approaching darkness.

    Now it is time. Stand with me, stand to arms. “Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war”.

  61. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    DJM (#11): I was going to ask - so if you run into a sweet-smelling middle easterner, do you surveille him? What’s the cologne of choice? I like the idea of burying all terrorists in pig poo.

  62. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911 UNITED STATES

    brain benders and mind mulchers,,,long hot day,,
    Our Psyops really need polishing
    (this from may 2004)

  63. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    BTW, how do you find a Marine if you are not actually a family member?


    Here you go.

  64. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher UNITED STATES

    oh fuck

    Military Says Murdered Soldiers Were Abandoned at Checkpoint, Launches Probe

  65. Grits Comment by Grits UNITED STATES

    We don’t have to lower ourselves to the savage, inhuman level of the sand monkeys … but we don’t HAVE to take prisoners either.


  66. DJM Comment by DJM UNITED STATES

    #61 Kwongdzu - I’d have to ask my friend, I didn’t think to ask that when we were discussing it. But he did say authorities in Isreal were very cautious of anyone doused in cologne.

    In fact, the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) has released specific guidelines based on Israeli models for Law Enforcement here in the U.S. to detect potential suicide bombers. One of the indicaters - wearing too much cologne and/or talc powder. Some suggest it’s to cover any odor from the explosives, but given Islams insane beliefs, who knows.

  67. DJM Comment by DJM UNITED STATES

    Don’t know if it’s true or not, but it’s worth a shot! (No pun intended)

    General “Black Jack” Pershing and the Muslim Terrorists in the Philippines before WW I

    General Pershing was born September 13th, 1860 near Laclede, MS. he died July 15th, 1948 in Washington, DC.

    Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.

    Muslims detest pork, because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won’t even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from Paradise (and those virgins), and doomed to hell.

    The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs’ blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist’s bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

    And for the next 42 years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.

  68. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911 UNITED STATES

    Urban legends sniffed it,,
    Good readin’
    I’ve been floating rumors of hog-bone epoxied into the hollow points of 7.62 in some of the ‘rab pages.

  69. Unregistered Trackback by BIG DOG'S WEBLOG UNITED STATES

    We Need To Kill Every Radical Muslim…

    I do not give a rat’s ass if that title offends anyone. If it does you can go screw yourself. Anyone who reads this site regularly knows that I refrain from vulgarities and only use a bit of colorful language but today I read an entry that desc…

  70. Unregistered Comment by JonB UNITED STATES

    I hope our soldiers can kill off the bastards without any more civilian casualties.

    Think about it. We know Bin Leiderhosen watches the news, as well as the rest of the terrorists. They have seen the way the US media has been trying to hang the soldiers right and left for any crime they can trump up (guilty or not).
    It is a damn good strategic move on their part to do what they did. It has elicited the exact response they are looking for, and that is anger/rage among the soldiers. Anger, impatience, and irrationality lead to mistakes, increasing the chance that the US media will have more “US soldiers are bad!” stories to print.

    Wouldn’t suprise me if a news agency paid the terrorists to do this.

    I want our men and women over there to kill every last one of those pedophile worshiping jihadi asswipes, but I pray they do not play into the terrorists(and US medias) hands.

  71. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone UNITED STATES

    As a side note, the question I have to ask is, “Why did these guys surrender?”

    An friend of mine, (he also happens to work at the range), spent two years in Iraq as a security contractor for KBR. Recently, I was looking at some excess body armor he was selling, and noticed that there was a grenade pouch on the left shoulder tab.

    When I pointed at it and raised an eyebrow, his only comment was, “That was for me, I was NOT going to be captured alive.”

    He asked the same question.

  72. LC Tweety Snake Comment by LC Tweety Snake UNITED STATES

    Anyone here familiar with ronin? The samurai whose master was killed was disgraced. If he didn’t kill himself first, he was forced to live as a bandit or hired sword. If he was hired, he became fiercely loyal to his new lord for removing the stain from his honor.

    So what about this: We go to the prisons, we ask around for takers, then offer them a clean slate and a fresh start if they 1) go to basic training; 2) submit to military discipline without killing their platoon sergeant; 3) kill as many terrorists as they can for one year? If they screw up after they get back, they go back to finish their sentences. If they get over there and f-ck up, they get a revolver and six rounds to fight their way home.

  73. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid (#40) asks the following: “what do you mean, Juandos?

    Consider the Romans and what they had to do to deal with the Carthaginians…

    There were three wars fought between them finally resulting in the so called, “Carthaginian solution“… It wasn’t pretty and it wasn’t nice but it worked…

    Some of you may have read a few commentaries by Victor Davis Hanson but that gent is also renowned historian and has several books on the subject of warfare…

    Dr. Hanson’s book do a very good job of explaining it all…

  74. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    I think we ought to make it known that all U.S. weapons go through a piggification ritual, prior to being used. Maybe leave little pink pig calling cards on dead terrorist bodies? Although Jewish urine might be a nice touch, too. So many creative possibilities …

  75. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Actually, though, really the best thing is for them to simply disappear, because that leaves the most to the imagination. Dump the bodies out to sea.

  76. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Ahhhh! The cologne of choice would be Eternity ….

  77. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    kwongdzu! kwongdzu! kwongdzu!
    Your comment: “Dump the bodies out to sea“…

    You want the Med and the Arabian sea to look like Prince William Sound after the Exxon Valdez ran aground?!?!…:lol:

  78. Unregistered Comment by HSLD UNITED KINGDOM

    This has made me sick to my stomach. I am one Englishman who considers the US to be our brothers and I support your military 100%

    Last year I sold an ACOG combat optic, intended for the M4 rifle, on Ebay. Among the bidders was a guy serving in Iraq, a US Captain. To cut a long story short I ended the auction early so he could win. We got to swapping emails and I sent him a care package for him and his guys. During this time those mad Islamic bastards detonated in London - 7/7
    I got an immediate email from the Captain promising retribution just as soon as he could get a genuine terrorist into his sights.
    I’m not telling this story so people can say what a good guy I am for selling the sight to the Captain, I still made a profit and the care package didn’t cost me a great deal, and the guy was good enough to arrange for a second care package from me to be delivered to some Brit Para’s he was working with. As far as I am concerned looking after those people who look after you is an absolute minimum acceptable standard of behaviour.

    I suppose what I mean is that there are people who care about your soldiers as well as our own. And your soldiers seem to care about us, too.

    So go get those bastards, and give them some M855 for me.

  79. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911 UNITED STATES

    Here’ to ya Sir. *Klink!*
    ..Not all the troops have web access on a regular’.
    Help Joe Snuffy call the folks if ya’ll can

  80. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES


    Good works for good people will only be known about on sites like this…

    What passes for news media now a days wouldn’t touch a story like this except to find some reason to condemn it…

    You sir are the man!

  81. Unregistered Comment by Uchuck the Tuchuck


    Although I can appreciate the sentiment, the example you cite is a bad one.

    Punic War I was a meeting engagement between expanding Rome and expanding Carthage. It was fought to a negotiated peace after twenty-three years. A generation later Punic War II was a struggle for survival that saw a Punic invasion of Rome under Hanibal Barca and all the elephants, etc. It lasted seventeen years and ended with the utter defeat of Carthage and its reduction to a tributary power, a mere puppet state of the Roman Republic. Carthage was at this point no longer a threat to the Republic; it wasn’t even a competitor.

    Punic War III was started by an ambitious politician, Scipio Amelianus, who needed a victory to secure his election as consul. He fabricated an incident, accusing Carthage of encouraging a rebellion in a neighboring client state, whipped up public sentiment (”Carthage must be destroyed!”) and departed with an army for North Africa. After a token defence by Carthagenian forces, the city was destroyed, the foundations plowed up and thrown into the harbor and the site salted. This “war” took less than three years to complete, most of that taken up with the logistics of raising the legions and getting to Carthage. It doesn’t serve as a very good example of righteous wrath and retribution.

  82. jaybear Comment by jaybear UNITED STATES

    Good Words HSLD,

    It’s obvious by your statements that there are still some with the lionheart in them. Bless the Brits, truer friends could not be found. Now, do something about that cur galloway O.K.??

  83. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952 UNITED STATES

    Amen, Bigdicksplace, kill them, kill them all without mercy or compunction. No more gitmos, nada, wipe them out. All of them, men, women….anyone supporting them.

  84. Unregistered Comment by Kiril

    Today has been en a remarkable day, and I am truly humbled.

    Thank you all that came, and continue to come.

    I want toss this in to your discussion:

    I am on lunch break right now. These thoughts were earlier:

    ( It is mid-afternoon, 6/22, as I write THIS note, and I have just rode my bike to work. All 10 miles the only thing I could think about was this: “Dear God, in your mercy, please, please, let the OFFICIAL REPORT of what happened to these brave men show proof that they ONLY had their heads cut off!” I am not the most religious man on the planet, but that is what I was thinking. No-one should have to endure what it is hinted at that they did.

    …. It is 2 hours after that last, and I’m on break, and still as angry as I was yesterday! DAMN! Are we reduced, in our outrage, to harboring hopes that our guys didn’t suffer as much as it sounds like they did? To asking God that their pain and suffering be less than it seems it was?? )

  85. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy UNITED STATES


    I’m aware of the Punic wars - I just fail to see what that has to do with my anecdote and assertion that the only way to keep your people safe when you’re not around is to make it known that the price for harming them will swiftly turn the whole thing into a case of diminishing returns.
    What I propose has a bit more depth than “cross this border and die.”

    Without something more compelling than a random and seemingly non-allegorical historical reference, I will be reconsidering nothing. The only alternative I see would be tantamount to paying ‘protection.’

    - MuscleDaddy

  86. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Ranger and DJM: Thanks for the links!

    Juandos: Well … If the bastards are that oily, maybe we can first extract the oil and then feed them to the fishies. I think that’s called making lemonade out of lemons.

  87. Unregistered Comment by Beth T.

    All of you! Just stop it. We are “adults” and “better than them.” I want “revenge” just as much as the next person. I fell asleep last night thinking about the atrocities suffered by the two young Privates - knowing that they were “alive” for some of what happened to them - what they must have gone through is unfathomable to me - and what their families are dealing with and living with now. And I hope, that in some way, shape or form that “revenge” can is and will be extracted. [The helicopter - where three are taken up and one “falls” out? That was good.]

    But can’t we just leave the poor little pigs out of this? They’ve not done anything… So, unless you’ve humanely butchered a pig, and are planning on eating the ham, bacon, pork chops and ribs, let’s not be using pig entrails and pig blood… Or dogs, either.

    [And, I apologize, if this is just a bit too graphic - it is for me to even think about - but, if someone were to be placing severed genitals in someone’s mouth - I’d suggest not using the same person’s genitals - use the genitals from someone else. Now, if this could be done in a helicopter… Okay. I got a bit carried away…]

  88. Demosthenes Comment by Demosthenes CANADA

    General “Black Jack” Pershing and the Muslim Terrorists in the Philippines before WW I

    General Pershing was born September 13th, 1860 near Laclede, MS. he died July 15th, 1948 in Washington, DC.

    Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists, and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists.

    Muslims detest pork, because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won’t even touch pigs at all, nor any of their by-products. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from Paradise (and those virgins), and doomed to hell.

    The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs’ blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist’s bodies, and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go.

    And for the next 42 years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world.

    I suggest a different historical precedent. In two words…Vlad Tepes. Mehmed II, a butcher in his own right, turned his army back from his march on Târgovişte after he witnessed the sight of 20,000 impaled Turks. Brutal? Yes. Efficient? Most definitely.

  89. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    No survivors. Nothing discourages like COMPLETE failure. It is only putting the bill off for another generation or two. No more ‘gloves on’. No more hitting ’till they ask for a truce long enough to regroup. Hit ‘em, and keep hitting ‘em ’till they are on their knees begging for mercy, then hit them until they are no more. Period.

  90. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Uchuck the Tuchuck (#81) and MuscleDaddy (#85) I do believe you both are missing the point…

    I don’t disagree with either of your postings, not one word…

    Do either of you not see what is happening today as a continuation of western vs. eastern cultures clashing that began in earnest with (historical high points but hardly the whole story) maybe Alexander the Great heading east, the various Khans, especially Genghis Khan heading west, the Crusaders heading back east and so on and so forth?

    I’m NOT equivocating what is happening in the war against terrorist with Roman expansionist policies of 2+ millenia ago…

    What I am stating is that Rome’s biggest problem at that particular time were the Carthaginians for reasons good or bad…

    The fact that the Romans finally had to apply a drastic solution to what was their ongoing problem (a problem of their own making?) is what I’m talking about…

    This is NOT a moral judgement being made here, I’m thinking that I’m speaking from the point of practicality…

    I’m sorry but when it comes to surviving the clash I’ll always take the Gen. Curtis LeMay view point everytime…

  91. Unregistered Comment by beth in moonbat land UNITED STATES

    Since I perform regularly at an open mic in Moonbat Land (just south of Berkeley, just east of San Francisco), and since someone hauled off and read a weepy poem about Haditha (actually, the PC myth of same), I was moved to write a poem of outrage. I was going to embargo it till the next open mic, but since Misha has asked where the outrage is, I’ve gone ahead and posted it at the beth zone.

    The warnings you need are that it’s a tad graphic, and that I’m an “alternative lifestyle” kind o’ gal. Oh, and that it’s in that all-lower case e e cummings style …

    But, basically, someone at risk of being put in a burqah and then having a wall dropped on her has to speak up!!! My “sisters” are crazy when they go all Code Pinko on those fighting to keep us free, and to liberate other women from government-enforced Shari’a.

    My thanks and deepest gratitude to those risking all.

  92. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Hey beth, in your poem (?) your lines: when is a massacre not a massacre?

    when it dissolves in the cold light of day
    like korans flushed down a toilet

    Well beth… Wow!

    I don’t think I’ve ever read about the Haditha incident and the surrounding MSM induced crapola with the clarity this poem puts forward…

    Very good! Hell! Its damn good and I’m not one for poems much myself…

    Damn girl! I for one think you do good work…

  93. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    The warnings you need are that it’s a tad graphic, and that I’m an “alternative lifestyle” kind o’ gal.

    Beth, many of us Rottie guys LOVE lesbians. As a matter of fact, I’m a flaming lesbian trapped in a man’s body. ;)

    That was an AWESOME poem, hon. You swing the ClueBat™ with the best of ‘em, girl!

  94. Unregistered Comment by Dennisofcourse UNITED STATES

    A good read and a look at what some would call morality, relativism exposed. Tribute to the two you ng men savaged. God Bless

  95. Unregistered Trackback by the beth zone UNITED STATES

    Hey, I Got Yer Outrage Right Heah! Dept….

    I was going to wait to post this poem till I could read it at the next Montclair Women’s Cultural Center open mic (where I usually play original songs). One of the regular poets, whom I like a lot and otherwise respect, had jumped right up with a…