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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » The Fourth Estate Fifth Column Does it Again

It’s true that the official intelligence arm of al-Qaeda in America, The New York Times, are sadly lacking when it comes to publishing news of victories in the war, atrocities committed by our enemies and finds of WMDs in Iraq, but when it comes to providing al-Qaeda with useful intelligence, they’re absolutely second to none (link thanks to LC Darth Bacon).

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. counterterrorism officials gained access to an international database and have examined banking transactions involving thousands of Americans and others under a secret program initiated weeks after the September 11 attacks, The New York Times reported on Thursday.

U.S. government officials said the program was limited to tracing transactions of people suspected of ties to al Qaeda by reviewing records from a Belgian cooperative known as SWIFT, or Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, the “nerve center of the global banking industry,” the newspaper reported on its Web site.

“Viewed by the Bush administration as a vital tool, the program has played a hidden role in domestic and foreign terrorism investigations since 2001 and helped in the capture of the most wanted Qaeda figure in Southeast Asia,” it said.

Government officials said SWIFT data helped lead to the capture of Riduan Isamuddin Hambali, believed to be the mastermind of the 2002 Bali bombings, the report said.

The records mostly involved wire transfers and other methods of moving money overseas or into and out of the United States. Most routine transactions confined to the United States are not in the database.

The program, run out of the CIA and overseen by the U.S. Treasury Department “has provided us with a unique and powerful window into the operations of terrorist networks and is, without doubt, a legal and proper use of our authorities,” Stuart Levey, a Treasury undersecretary, told the newspaper.

Treasury officials said SWIFT was exempt from American laws restricting government access to private financial records because the cooperative was considered a messaging service, not a bank or financial institution.

Note that the program was perfectly LEGAL. Note that it had helped us capture at least ONE terrorist mastermind. Note also that it was a secret, since it’s not awfully helpful if the terrorists plotting to set off dirty nukes in our cities have advance knowledge of the methods by which we track them, hunt them down and capture/kill them.

Much like it wouldn’t have been awfully helpful for the New York Times to publish convoy sailing dates from 1942-45.

The New York Times said administration officials had asked it not to publish the article, saying disclosure of the SWIFT program could jeopardize its effectiveness.

They might as well have asked Zarqawi to please stop killing civilians.

After considering the government’s request, Bill Keller, the newspaper’s executive editor, said, “We remain convinced that the administration’s extraordinary access to this vast repository of international financial data, however carefully targeted use of it may be, is a matter of public interest.”

Whereas NOT getting killed at work because some Islamic caveman flies an airliner into your office building ISN’T a matter of public interest, according to al-Qaeda spy Bill Keller of the New York Times.

Every once in a while, somebody, somewhere will express outrage and preening indignation about Ann Coulter saying that her only regret about Timothy McVeigh was that he didn’t park outside the offices of the New York Times.

Why is that outrageous again?

The track record of that terrorist-supporting and abetting bird cage liner taken into consideration, I find myself wondering why we haven’t made that building the target of a surgical airstrike yet.

Rope. Tree. Journalist.
Some assembly required.

More at:
Michelle Malkin
Hot Air
Patterico
Jeff Goldstein

82 Responses to “The Fourth Estate Fifth Column Does it Again”
  1. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    perhaps time to beg, borrow, or steal; the fund to purchase a firearm, my Emperor?

  2. Unregistered Comment by Lord Daealdric UNITED STATES

    Holy shit. Holy Fucking shit. Why the fuck are they not being arrested for treason? They are aiding the enemy during a time of war!

    And the reason that he gives for leaking this information is because of the “administrations” (nice touch there) access to financial records? I’m pissed.

  3. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    I’d certainly suggest that anybody who doesn’t have a fair collection start making up for lost time pretty soon, because if overtly seditious swine such as the New York Slimes continue to broadcast intel to our enemies, it’s only a matter of time until we can’t keep the terrorist hordes off our shores any longer, and then it’s each man to himself.

  4. Unregistered Comment by LC Jon, Imperial Hunter UNITED STATES

    Acquire target. Sight picture. Breathe. Hold. Squeeze.

    Escape and evade.

    Repeat.

  5. Unregistered Comment by LC&IB Russ, Imperial ClueBat Manufacturer UNITED STATES

    It’s long past time the limp-wrists in Washington started taking seriously the “domestic” part of “against all enemies, foreign and domestic” in their oaths.

  6. Unregistered Comment by shedmaster

    we lost our capacity to prosecute treason when we failed to execute hanoi jane.
    also, how can washington go after the times, after allowing CHINESE MILITARY ON TO OUR CARRIERS DURING WAR GAMES!!!
    is there any hope at all?

  7. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    For more “moral equivalency” consider the Valerie Plame stupidity and the hue and cry it caused versus this honest-to-God national security breach. These people have shit for brains and black holes for souls. This is fucking treasonous, dammit! Something ought to be done about these fuckers! Fuckfuckfuckityfuckfuckityfuckfuck - fuck! (Eric Cartman, South Park) Can’t someone arrange an accident to happen to these people??!

  8. Son Of The Godfather Comment by Son Of The Godfather UNITED STATES

    Good G-D! What the fuck is WRONG with these people?!?

    The “interest” of this particular member of the “public” is keeping me and mine alive.

    I’m having some really dark thoughts about what I think needs to be done to these traitorous pricks.

    Really.Dark.Thoughts.

  9. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Note the following, “Bank Data Sifted in Secret by U.S. to Block Terror” by Lichtblau and Risen are in effect a demonstrable outting of the seditiousness of the New York Times…

    Its NOT that something like this sort of investigation is exactly new (just ask anyone who’s been on the outs with IRS and has been extensively audited by them) but the fact that the New York Times and others of their ilk are seemingly aiding & abetting the cause of the terrorist towel heads

    I do not understand why the Justice Department isn’t “frog marching” these clowns off to jail and refusing to allow any sort further actions by the corporate entity that is the New York Times and others to continue in this vein…

    The newspapers should be made to fight this out in court, a federal court whose justices have no record of trying to make law from the bench…

  10. Lycurgus Comment by Lycurgus UNITED KINGDOM

    I find it interesting that the US govt. has been examining financial movements for years, ostensibly in the name of combating criminal money-laundering (but primarily to make sure you keep nothing from which Uncle Sam hasn’t had a slice) but there was never a peep about that – probably because it only affected those evil rich people.

    Soon as their bum-chum Jihadis are affected, it becomes big news. But hey – don’t you dare question the patriotism of the 5th column.

  11. Unregistered Trackback by Homemade Sin

    Rape!…

    ….indeedFrom the Times article: Treasury Department officials spent 90 minutesThursday meeting with the newspaper’s reporters, stressing the legalityof the program and urging the paper to not publish a story on theprogram, McManus said in a telephon…

  12. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    I am glad the New York Times is alerting us to this new form of unlimited surveilance that the government is using against a broad swath of Americans. This is a new form of surveilance sifiting through large ammounts of financial information mostly of inoccent people. This new process could be easily abused for political personal or corrupt reasons because it doesnt’t have the safeguard of warrents or judicial oversight. The New York Times should be praised for their thoughtfull and thorough reporting. Increases in unwarrented surveilance threaten our freedom more than any terrorist attack.

  13. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Hey folks I can’t help but wonder if ddegner (#12) isn’t the new and totally unimproved theDdoubleSstandard (http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=907#comment-24724)…:lol:

    Same dumb-assed comments reflecting an inability to get a grip on reality is what gave it away for me…

  14. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog UNITED STATES

    Doublestandard, doubledipshit, who cares? It’s hard to tell as they all spew the same tired old bullshit. It’s all the same “based on reality” thinking from these idiots!
    Nothing the Slime does surprises me either but we need to find the fucks leaking this info to the jihadi support network known as the MSM and hang those bastards as well!

  15. Unregistered Comment by LC Theresa

    If this program was such a secret op, how the fuck did the mouthpiece for al-q even get the info? Who is leaking intel from the CIA/FBI etc? That’s the treasonous bastard who needs hanging. ddegner you are an idiot.

  16. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    maxxdog (#14) says: “but we need to find the fucks leaking this info to the jihadi support network known as the MSM and hang those bastards as well!“…

    Amen maxx!

    Speaking of which, have you seen this in the Washington Times? Ex-DIA analyst admits passing secrets to China

    During questioning by investigators in Hawaii in 2003, where he was dean of the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies, Montaperto said he verbally gave Col. Yang and Col. Yu both “secret” and “top secret” information, the statement said

    Son of a bitch!

  17. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

    HELL, the double standard pus-nutted, pencildicked, lardassed, no-load, pissheaded, lunkassed, liberal lackey, shit-for-brained, fungusheaded asswipe traitor communist snooze media has added another chapter in their long list of betrayals. THEY helped Osama bin Laden (piss in his beard) stay alive and evade our surveillance when they published the fact that they had his voiceprint on file and could track him via sattelite phone calls, etc. That ability quickly ceased shortly after that story was posted, because the terrorists (the approximately 30% of then that are literate) pay attention to their liberal moonbat allies in the MSM! If it weren’t for that bit of treason, he probably would’ve ended up like Z’awi (pissin his face).

  18. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    And the ghost of Murrow rolls over, yet again… :roll:

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  20. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    It’s all the same “based on reality” thinking from these idiots!

    I admit, I try to base my thinking on reality. :)

    This blogs reaction to the story is very interesting. In order to support the adminsitration Misha must depart from the conservative ideals of a small, unobtrusive government.

    Misha is the type of person that doesn’t have any independant political thought but will blindly support a powerfull leader even when his policies are questionable.

    Recognize also how Misha doesn’t write the piece defending the increase of the surveilance of Americans. Instead Misha attacks the New York Times, in an attempt to distract us from any discussion of the more important issue, our government spying on us.

  21. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Infidel River Rat (#17) vents rightously about the what passes for news media…

    Your vent IRR reminds me of the stench of Jordan Eason the ex-executive of CNN (hat tip to Ed Driscoll)…

  22. purple raider Comment by purple raider UNITED STATES

    Hell, Morrow was as bad as the others.

    A paid for commie hack news reader.

    I wonder if the NY slime is on Al-Queda’s payroll.

  23. Unregistered Pingback by Inoperable Terran » Not even hiding it now

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  24. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Hey ddegner, I have to ask, are you a victim of our public school system?

    Your grip on reality is at best tenuous… Your inability to do some basic homework before you post is more than painfully obvious… Seemingly facts are an anathema to you…

    I mean what else is left in your life except for the fact that you might make a decent human shield?…:lol:

  25. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    Hey Juandos,

    I will point out that instead of pointing out the flaws in what I said you try to point out the flaws in me. I have many flaws but I am not the victim of our public school system. I went to a small christian private school, the best school in our half of the state, and I graduated with honors.

    Lets return to the issue at hand. I would like to hear how you reconcile the increased surveilance of innocent Americans with the conservative ideas of a small unobtrusive government.

  26. Unregistered Comment by arclight UNITED STATES

    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/harvard1978.html

    “Because instant and credible information has to be given, it becomes necessary to resort to guesswork, rumors and suppositions to fill in the voids, and none of them will ever be rectified, they will stay on in the readers’ memory. How many hasty, immature, superficial and misleading judgments are expressed every day, confusing readers, without any verification. The press can both simulate public opinion and miseducate it. Thus we may see terrorists heroized, or secret matters, pertaining to one’s nation’s defense, publicly revealed, or we may witness shameless intrusion on the privacy of well-known people under the slogan: “everyone is entitled to know everything.” But this is a false slogan, characteristic of a false era: people also have the right not to know, and it is a much more valuable one. The right not to have their divine souls stuffed with gossip, nonsense, vain talk. A person who works and leads a meaningful life does not need this excessive burdening flow of information.”

    Haunting words from 1978 that are quite true today….

  27. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Yep same old troll, new sock puppet:

    Misha is the type of person that doesn’t have any independant political thought but will blindly support a powerfull leader even when his policies are questionable. leader

    As opposed to your synthesized (yet independent) political thought consisting of DNC talking points, emnations from the rectum of Kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, vaginal discharges of Pelosi and Helen Thomas, and bits and pieces of reality from Dummies Underground and KosKidlet primers. Oh by the way powerful is spelled with one “L”. That gets you a C- in spelling for the day.

    Didn’t do so well on spelling bees in Grade 6 last year, eh?

    I admit, I try to base my thinking on reality

    Reality on the planet of Utopia in the Large Cloud of Magellan. Nice to see teachers are still espousing “independent reality-based thinking”. You’re doing great kid.

    Recognize also how Misha doesn’t write the piece defending the increase of the surveilance of Americans. Instead Misha attacks the New York Times, in an attempt to distract us from any discussion of the more important issue, our government spying on us.

    ddegner- Don’t worry about the Government spying on you, they don’t care about your pathetic life. But you should worry about ME. I have video of you “bopping yer vienna sausage” watching those 6th Grade Hawttie Cheerleader videos in your Mom’s basement.

    The New York Slimes aka puppy training floor covering, is trying to distract it’s moonbat subscribers from noticing we found the WMD (that everbody knows didn’t exist).

    unlimited surveilance that the government is using against a broad swath of Americans

    Please notice that little italicized quote from my friend Juandos in #9 above moron, you know the Liberal’s Favorite Confiscatory Department-the IRS?

    Wanna learn about unlimited surveillance without warrant, seizure of property and assests without warrant and other nastier stuff get THOSE bureaucratic-gestapo types up your ass and you’ll see.

    But I wouldn’t expect you to know these things because mommy and daddy can still claim you as an exemption.

    Think you can poop on Rottie carpet and walk away smug? Keep trying parakeet testicle.

    Gee- you look like you just humped the neigbor’s poodle now, better start looking for the sekrit spy cam I have on your ass.

    School is out for summer, maybe get a real job instead of folding tinfoil hats and posting bullshit on blogsites.

    RETARD !!!!!!

  28. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    I went to a small christian private school, the best school in our half of the state, and I graduated with honors.

    His half of the State Mental Hospital.

    buwhaaahaaaaa- The first smoke screen, next it will be the retired Army Colonel gag.

    :lol:

  29. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Juando- Got your back already.

    Treasury officials said SWIFT was exempt from American laws restricting government access to private financial records because the cooperative was considered a messaging service, not a bank or financial institution.

    Did you actually read the original post or just troll-dive into the pool. Mind the sooper sekrit moonbat cholrine the Boss usually keeps it at 250% MLD.

    Douchebag- Try sending money via Western Union or similar services. Notice the fine print, it is NOT protected under confidentiality of banking laws, shitstain.

  30. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Chlorine dammit, trying to get ready for work.

    dd- Save yourself the lookup MLD= Mean Lethal Dose

  31. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    Hey ddegner (#25) just refuses to get a grip on reality as this statement so thoroughly shows: “Lets return to the issue at hand. I would like to hear how you reconcile the increased surveilance of innocent Americans with the conservative ideas of a small unobtrusive government

    :lol:

    What can I say but that YOUR massive flaws lead you to confusion… We are at war but if you can’t or won’t come to grips with that then what is the point?

  32. Puddle Pirate Comment by Puddle Pirate UNITED STATES

    Alright ddegner, I’ll bite. Nothing better to do for the next 15 minutes than feed the trolls.

    As has already been pointed out multiple times, anything that the current administration is doing pales in comparison to what the IRS can and does do, and I have not heard so much as a peep out of the NYT about that. But bias at the Times? Perish the thought.
    On an even broader scale, the rampant spying that corporate America engages in makes the government look like a third grader writing notes with invisible ink. For your information, there is an electronic record of everything you have purchased at a supermarket within at least the last two years. Your phone company maintains a database of not only what numbers you dial, but also where the call was placed from , how long it was, what your name and address are, what your credit card information is, and your current credit rating. Don’t even get me started on what your bank knows about you.

    Where’s the outrage from the NYT? *crickets*

    Nowhere, because unless it makes Bush look bad, they ain’t interested.

    As far as how broad electronic surveillance squares with small unobtrusive government, the answer is pretty obvious. It doesn’t. Nor do I give a shit.

    Apparently they neglected to cover Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs and other basic concepts at your ’school’. In summary, people have a hierarchy of needs to survive and flourish, similar to rungs on a ladder. The lower basic ones have to be taken care of before the higher ones can be addressed. As an example, it does you no good to have social acceptance if you are unable to obtain food. Simple enough?

    Now, follow closely here. In order to put in place an ideal conservative government, we must first ensure that we are not going to be blown up. Or killed by nerve gas. Or whatever. FIRST we make sure that our familes do not die horrible deaths, THEN we sit down and figure out what shape and form the government should take. Comprende? Basic survival is the very first rung on the ladder. Dying with your high and mighty principles firmly in place does not make you any less dead. End of lesson.

    Personally, I don’t care if the government wants to sift through my records. They will find that I am generally a very uninteresting person who on occasion engages in legal transactions for firearms and ammunition and spends a lot of money on music. They are more than welcome to go through my library records as well, although I severely doubt they would, because I don’t have such an inflated ego that I think the government is interested in me. Why do I not care, you ask?

    Because I’M AN INNOCENT AMERICAN, YOU RETARD! ‘Innocent’, as in ‘Has not broken any laws’. If you havn’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.

    You, on the other hand, might want to lay off surfing for kiddie porn for awhile.

    Moron.

  33. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    Hey Juandos,

    Thanks for explaining a little bit of what is behind your view, unlike LC Jackboot who couldn’t get past childish slander.

    Your argument is that we are at war and this surveillance is excusable in a time of war. There is some gravitas in your idea, freedoms have historically been jettisoned in times of war, as much as I hate it giving up my freedom these policies have been successful in the past.

    I am extremely wary of giving our government free reign in this war though. This is not a conventional war, there will be no Armistice Day, no V-Day when things will return to normal. There will always be war against one or more small group of dissenters who resort to violence. The liberties that our government takes away today in the name of terrorism will be permanently gone and never reinstated.

  34. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe UNITED STATES

    Contrary to the NYT’s view, the issue is not whether the information is of public interest–all national security related information is–but whether it must remain secret to serve national security in a time of international conflict. Bush and the agencies involved need to take off the kid gloves, be sure the information and programs are properly classified, order that they not be disclosed, charge anyone who leaks it, whether source or conduit, with treason and expedite imposition of the death penalty in due course.

  35. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    Hey Puddle Pirate,

    I would like to thank you for an interesting post.

    In the first part you notice that the IRS and commercial businesses also collect financial information. This doesn’t negate the point that our government is spying on us without any checks. I am just as concerned with the amount of information commercial interests collect about me as I am about the government.

    I read the NYTimes quite often and have been impressed by the stories that they do on private information in commercial databases, from Google, to our supermarket cards, to RFID tags, they have done multiple stories on our loss of privacy in the commercial sphere.

    Could you expand on this second part of your post a little more?

    As far as how broad electronic surveillance squares with small unobtrusive government, the answer is pretty obvious. It doesn’t. Nor do I give a shit.

    Are you ok with a government that knows everything you do? If an administration hostile to your views comes into power they can easily abuse that information. There are many ways the information can be abused and has been in the past. Need I remind you of Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798 to the Palmer Raids of 1919 to the McCarthy era Nixon, and Truman and the historical abuse of our inteligence agencies during the Civil Rights movement. Things that may seem innocent in context can be distorted to blackmail you.

    I must admit I am impressed that you brought in Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs. But it shows that you don’t really understand the dangers of terrorism.

    In and terror war the goal of the terrorists is not to kill as many people as possible but to cause as much fear as they can. This fear is how terrorists win.

    One’s chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is many times less than one’s chance of drowning in a bathtub or being killed by a fall from scaffolding.

    Maslow’s Hierarchy of needs is irrelivent because there is very little chance that you or anyone you know will ever be killed in a terrorist attack. That chance might decrease slightly if we lived in an all encompasing bubble of surveilance but if someone wants to place a bomb anywhere and they are willing to die for it, very little can stop them. So our chance of death remains virtually unchanged by surveilance, but our happiness is greatly effected. Most humans get the creeps if they know they are being watched all the time, it makes me feel uncomfortable even though I do nothing illegal.

  36. Unregistered Comment by LC Carnifex

    We are long overdue for a Purge. Round up all the Fifth Columnists, strip them of citizenship, set them adrift on a raft on the ocean and wish them luck. I’m talking about old-fashioned banishment where they would be summarily executed if they ever set foot on U.S. soil again even if it was an embassy.

  37. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A. UNITED STATES

    Misha is the type of person that doesn’t have any independant political thought but will blindly support a powerfull leader even when his policies are questionable.

    dd,
    Don’t go around slinging falsehoods of the gargantuan nature of this one without at least reading this blog occasionally. Sometime. EVER?

    Have you SEEN some of the Emporer’s posts on Bush??? You have no idea what you are talking about on this subject, which gives you zero credibility from the starting gate. As for judging what ‘type of person’ the Emperor is….mheh. Keep trying and I feel certain you will find out.

    Good luck with that. *snicker*

  38. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

    Lost in all the fun troll bashing is the fact that this particular intelligence operation was NOT, as ddegner claims, “unlimited surveilance that the government is using against a broad swath of Americans.” This was narrowly-targeted monitoring of selected international banking transactions, mostly conducted overseas, with safeguards taken to protect the truly innocent. It was also, apparently, a quite successful operation that bagged one major Al Qaeda player and helped unravel several other terrorist cells. And the New York Times recklessly exposed it for nothing more than partisan political malice.

    Had this truly been a program of “unlimited surveillance” of Americans to no effective purpose, then the New York Times would have had a point. It wasn’t. More to the point, by recklessly exposing and criticizing existing - and effective counterterrorist and intelligence operations, the Times is not only jeopardizing the lives and security of their fellow Americans, they are also setting the stage for future, real violations of our civil liberties when the next major attack does, in fact, take place. Especially if we find out that the attack could have been prevented by the SWIFT surveillance program, or the NSA intercept program the Times exposed six months ago, or any of the other various programs that have been leaked by the “fifth column” press. Not to mention that the Times, by this point, are in the position of the little boy who cried “wolf:” Given their penchant for manufacturing civil liberties scandals for the benefit of the Democrat Party, who’s going to take them seriously from now on, should they find an actual abuse of civil liberties to expose?

    And isn’t it an ironic coincidence that the Times’ story came out on the very day that an Islamist cell was busted in Miami, and barely two weeks after an international Islamist terror ring was broken up in Canada? I recall reading somewhere that the Canadian cell was exposed, in part, due to international banking transactions…perhaps by this very program. Alas, future Americans in the line of fire will just have to rely on luck.

  39. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    Ddegner: Once you’ve figured out the difference between a conservative and a libertarian, I think you’ll understand a lot of things better.

    At least you won’t make me roll on the floor laughing when you suggest that it’s somehow “hypocritical” for a conservative to support any sort of government program.

    All I know is that, thanks to the New York Times’ decision that they alone know what serves the “public interest” best, a useful program that has helped us catch several high-ranking terrorists is now all but defunct.

    That may not rank as highly on your list as your “need” to bitch about every single thing the government does, but I’m sure that the loved ones of the people who DIDN’T die as a result would beg to differ.

    You want to abolish every single part of government that can potentially, somehow, conceivably be abused?

    I’m sure we can find a deserted island somewhere where you and your fellow travelers can re-enact “Lord of the Flies.” As to myself, I’ll stay right here.

  40. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

    ddegner, if you’re looking for an example of “invasion of privacy,” how about the recent attempt by NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg and NY State AG Elliot Spitzer to exploit firearms sales records for the sake of civil lawsuits? The only motivations for the record grab are political grandstanding and the enrichment of the plaintiff’s bar…yet Bloomberg and Spitzer think they’re entitled to personal information on thousands - perhaps millions - of citizens, most of whom have broken no laws, and who don’t even live in New York.

    And - since you seem reluctant to criticize Democrats - Bloomberg’s even a Republican, if that helps you.

  41. Unregistered Trackback by Webloggin

    Bill Keller-NY Times Message to Terrorists - Watch Your Bank Accounts…

    The staff at the New York Times is doing nothing more than yelling fire in a crowded theater. Unfortunately we won’t see the burns until more Americans die as a result of Bill Keller and the New York Times public service efforts.

    ……

  42. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    Misha,

    After reading comment #20, I’m convinced it’s time to ban doublestupid’s, or now ddegner’s IP. Her drivel is not designed to entertain or debate, but only to embarass her. I hate to watch even a troll humiliate themselves so. If you could be so kind as to put her out of our misery I would truly appreciated it.

  43. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Hey ddegner-

    unlike LC Jackboot who couldn’t get past childish slander

    oww..that hurt *yawn*

    I always fit my lessons to the apparent age of my students. Your lack of comprehension of my response validates that assessment… child.

    Uhh ohhhh.. #39 dd !!!!- You got the Emperor’s attention now. Maybe you should re-read Beth’s Post at #37.

    Come back later when the rest of the pack gets home, I have to go to work now, instead of masturbating on the keyboard in your Mom’s basement like you.

    Puddle Pirate- Good Smackdown Shipmate !!!!

  44. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Ranger #42- Nahhhh…too early, the pack wore out the DS chew toy, let her blather on for a bit longer.

  45. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    Jackboot,

    Anyone that would post a comment like #20 is so far off their meds that rational debate is completely impossible.

    In fact, I would be willing to bet that ddegner won’t be able to remember her posts here unless she is in the same emotional state when asked about them.

    You see, delusional paranoid borderlines record memory in emotional state specific compartments. If she is in a “high” state of emotion when she posts and you ask her in a “low” state of emotion about her posts, she can’t access the information.

    It causes them to “fill in” the blank spots with pure fantasy. That’s why it is so frustrating to argue with a person like ddegner. They genuinely believe their complete fantasy. It’s made to fill the blank spots and because it holds the place of a real memory, there is no doubt in their mind (or what passes for that piece of hardware) that the memory is absolutely true.

    ddegner is posting based on information she believes to be true, but probably more than half of that information is “fill in” stuff that she’s using to form her opinions. If you genuinely believe that bill clinton was a good president due to facts that you made up to fill real memories, I could never convince you that he was a poll chasing, blow job craving waste of oxygen no matter what facts I placed in front of you.

    I don’t know how therapists deal the with the frustration other than to intentionally misdiagnose these people and refer them to a specialist so they don’t have to deal with them.

  46. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    It is scary how quickly the readers of this blog can turn an attempt at inteligent conversation into presumptious drivel. You throw me into a group of people that I don’t belong with. Many of my views are closer to all of yours than you know.

    I am not theDdoubleSstandard and it would be funny if Misha looked up where my IP address is located.

    :)

  47. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    Uh huh. You keep telling yourself that ddegner.

  48. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    Hey LC Ranger 6,

    Thanks for the informative post but you have misdiagnosed me. But I won’t be able to convince you otherwise so I won’t try.

  49. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    Dumb as a Doorknob:

    One’s chance of being killed in a terrorist attack is many times less than one’s chance of drowning in a bathtub or being killed by a fall from scaffolding.

    Yeah, and we’d like to keep it that way.

  50. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    No, ddegner isn’t DdSs (observing that ddegner stays on topic is an indicator, and the IP confirms it. No, I’m not sharing. It’s against policy).

    Anyhoo, thanks for the extra points in #38, Wes. Saves me the trouble of typing it since you are, of course, absolutely correct.

  51. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi UNITED STATES

    –comment #46: It is scary how quickly the readers of this blog can turn an attempt at inteligent conversation into presumptious drivel.

    (emp. mine—MiC)

    –comment #35:…and Truman and the historical abuse of our inteligence agencies during the Civil Rights movement.

    Ho hum…what a twit. Doesn’t even spell intelligent correctly.

    It is of no wonder how quickly readers of this blog can call you on your B/S.

  52. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi UNITED STATES

    Oh, and your wording of comment #46, seems to include you, also…hmmm…

  53. Mrs. M Comment by Mrs. M UNITED STATES

    If I might break in for a moment and interrupt the Troll Bashing..beautiful as it is….for a heads up…

    Norman (I never met a terrorist that I was willing to profile) Mineta has turned in his resignation.

    WooHOO!

  54. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu UNITED STATES

    If an argument is a good one, nitpicking about spelling is silly. However, as dd’s comments have no value anyway, here’s one you missed: presumptious. I hope he never built that shelf for his spelling bee trophies:

    Can you please use it in a sentence? The presumptuous ass did not realize he was not intelligent enough to win a debate with the garden gnome.

  55. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7 KUWAIT

    The NYT printed this like it is some sort of God Inspired “hard news” the public “Had to know”..And it was just such a SHOCKER….

    Horse puckey…Anyone here open a Bank account in the past 6 years? Anyone ? Anyone ? Bueller?

    When you open a new account POST 9-11 You are REQUIRED By Federal Law via the Patriot Act to sign a document stating Your address, place of birth, SSN etc.etc.etc…Now what does the NYT and it’s band of so called reporters actually think that form is for?

    Anyone with a half a brain can come to a pretty educated guess that form is linking that new account to one CIssnarl.5.7’s SSN and address..and if all of a sudden wire transfers from that account start heading off to far off corners of the globe to jihadi infested countries …guess what somewhere a little bell is gonna go “ding”…not really but I’m sure somewhere a data base would get a flag raised in it. Fine by me…

    Secondly for years prior to the 9-11 and Patriot Act events…Banks have been REQUIRED to report to good old Uncle Sam any transaction occuring via wire transfer or bank draft in excess of a certain amount…not 100% sure what level that is, but those laws were enacted as part of the stautes against organized crime…

    If you havn’t done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear.

    Nuff said.

  56. LC Jackboot Comment by LC Jackboot UNITED STATES

    Most humans get the creeps if they know they are being watched all the time, it makes me feel uncomfortable even though I do nothing illegal.

    Good Call Dr. Ranger- Paranoid Delusional and probably a bit on the Bipolar Axis as it often is a concurrent pathology.

    He/She/It feels uncomfortable because he/she/it KNOWS they are being watched all the time.

    Black Helicopters are hovering over my house ALL THE TIME !!!!!

    Lamictal 200mg PO BID and an SSRI (of your choice) at the appropriate dose/kg would help.

    Xanax 2mg at bedtime will help you forget about the monsters watching you from the closet or are they under your bed?

    Some people here get PAID to watch people for long periods of time. You won’t seem ‘em if they are and if you aren’t being bad you don’t have anything to worry about, so party on.

    Besides, maybe you’ll be in a Paris Hilton video…

    Sorry your civil rights aren’t being violated in any manner while this occurs, as there are demonstrable interests to the public welfare that trump your personal interests in privacy under well-defined situations.

    Don’t like it? Talk to your legislature or buy that ticket to the Island Mish mentioned above.

    I don’t recall bathtub drownings or scaffold collapses causing almost 3000 deaths simultaneously.

    Back on Topic: Any bets on how long it take the NYT to out the mole the FBI had on the inside in the
    Miami Arrests re: the Sears Tower Bombing conspiracy?

    I’m off to violate somebody’s privacy now, on OVERTIME !!!! wOOt !!!!

  57. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane UNITED STATES

    Comment by LC Theresa
    If this program was such a secret op, how the fuck did the mouthpiece for al-q even get the info? Who is leaking intel from the CIA/FBI etc? That’s the treasonous bastard who needs hanging

    That’s what I’d like to know.

    Norman (I never met a terrorist that I was willing to profile) Mineta has turned in his resignation.

    YES! Now perhaps airport seaches can be a bit more topical.

  58. JannyMae Comment by JannyMae UNITED STATES

    Liberal thinking, 101:

    Recognize also how Misha doesn’t write the piece defending the increase of the surveilance of Americans. Instead Misha attacks the New York Times, in an attempt to distract us from any discussion of the more important issue, our government spying on us.

    From the actual article, i.e. “reality:”

    U.S. government officials said the program was limited to tracing transactions of people suspected of ties to al Qaeda by reviewing records from a Belgian cooperative known as SWIFT, or Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, the “nerve center of the global banking industry,” the newspaper reported on its Web site.

    Of course, we know that, “ddegner,” was able to read what was unwritten, but so obviously implied:

    …but we just know that those, “Goverment Officials,” are lying their asses off, and are really under orders of evil BusHitler’s minions to spy on all us innocent Americans…

  59. MasterGuns Comment by MasterGuns UNITED STATES

    No one should be surprised by the antics of the NYT and the rest of the MSM. They have done everything possible to destroy the President for the last 6 years. Think about it, every time there is any good news for the administration, or anything that might portray our enemies in a bad light, there is immediately a “leak” of an intelligence op. Elections in Iraq…..phone records. WMDs found/US troops tortured and murdered….bank records. They have no problems aiding our enemies as long as it hurts Bush. They couldn’t care less if troops are killed as long as it hurts Bush. They will publish anything that could potentially hurt Bush.

    I just want to know why the Bush administration HASN”T PLUGGED UP THE DAMNED LEAKS YET!!! It really can’t be that hard to find them. Last time I checked, divulging classified information without authorization is a felony. Knowingly publishing information that is classified is also a felony. And before some loon starts babbling about Valerie Plame, her identity WAS NOT CLASSIFIED! She’s got a CIA parking lot permit on her car, she’s listed by name in the government phone book for Washington DC, and she and her husband are in the DC version of “Who’s Who”. There is a big difference between her name and the deliberate leaking of an ongoing intelligence operation. Heads had better roll.

    Semper Fi

  60. George guy Comment by George guy UNITED STATES

    In which states is it legal to use deadly force to prevent the commission of any felony?

  61. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    There’s my entry for the ‘Shop-jobbing contest.

  62. THANOS Comment by THANOS UNITED STATES

    Okay, im arriving late to this gunfight and i apologize for missing all the action. Seems that yus guys plastered ddegner really good, but being the good programed troll that they are, they keep gettin up and spewing the same ole lies.

    ddegner even contradicted themselves and is trapped in tne corner and doesnt even know it. They said that this war isnt a conventional war, and that is correct. They also said that there will always be groups of dissenters that will start up violence. Thats correct as well. So wouldnt it make sense, at least to a SANE and RATIONAL thinking person that you would WANT the US government to take steps to protect you and youre family and loved ones? And this being an unconventional type of war, the US government must take unusual steps to protect you. This is the 21st century, dd, its not 1942, where technology want so advanced as we have today.

    Terrorists have cell phones, computers, laptops, GPS devices and such stuff as anyone could have, and you actually are going to be so self centered as to worry about something so trivial as the US government looking into bank accounts that are being used by terrorists?

    You said that this is an unconventional war, you cant lie now, everyone can read it for themselves. So it takes UNCONVENTIONAL means to beat an enemy who also likes to use unconventional methods of waging war on us and attemtping to get their hands on money to keep their unconventional war going.

    And as an offhand remark, you are very self centered, arent you? Why do i say such, you may ask. Because you always mention “I” alot. So once again you and youre brother liberal/leftist ilk have reinforced my opinion of youre type-ignorant and arrogant. And those two go hand in hand.

    Have a nice day ddegner, youre gonna need it soon enough.

  63. Unregistered Comment by ddegner

    Thank you all for sharing your views with me throughout the day.

  64. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    Not a problem. And thank YOU for reinforcing our view of the BDS/PEST-suffering Chiroptera luna. (Or is that “Luna chiroptera”? Vicodin is soooo nice.)

    Just a little hint for future reference: You might want to actually read more than one post at a site before opening your mouth (or keyboard) and making yourself look like a complete and utter idiot by trying to stereotype the site’s owner and primary author.

    Just sayin’, is all. ;)

  65. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant UNITED STATES

    Thank you all for sharing your views with me throughout the day.

    Quit sounding like such a pompous, snot-nosed ass and you might even get a “you’re welcome”.

    Fuckhead. :mad:

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  67. juandos Comment by juandos UNITED STATES

    O.K. let me try this one more, one last time…

    ddegner (#33) says: “Your argument is that we are at war and this surveillance is excusable in a time of war. There is some gravitas in your idea, freedoms have historically been jettisoned in times of war, as much as I hate it giving up my freedom these policies have been successful in the past.

    First and foremost you need to understand that NOT one of us here on this site as far as I can tell are, “jettisoning” any rights per se… With me so far?

    What we (as in the U.S. and our allies) are doing in this TIME OF WAR FOR OUR COLLECTIVE CONTINUED EXISTENCE AS A WESTERN SOCIETY (yes, even Pakistan has acquired some of western society’s values) is temporarily sublimating our individual desires to express our individual freedoms with a little common sense for the COMMON GOOD which in this case is our continued existence as the leading country in western civilization…

    Remember its WESTERN CIVILIATION that has produced much of what we take for granted from free speech to flush toilets, these ARE NOT the end products of eastern civilizations…

    Its not that individuals from eastern civilizations can’t or won’t do this but if you’ll take a close look at the last century or two of industrial, educational, and scientific progress you’ll note that even people from eastern cultures have a better chance of flourishing with western civilization values…

    I for one would like to continue to live in a western civilization that has given me a damned good life comparatively speaking (just because one is not a multi-millionaire in this country doesn’t mean one is poor by world standards) and I don’t want the naive, the self-centered stupids, or the fools to help some clique of mad men with an 11th century mindset to change all that…

    I guess unless one sees these mad fools from eastern cultures in the throes of homicidal insanity up close and personal its hard to get one’s mind around the idea that east and west on this planet have been in conflict (on and off) for quite a long time…

    I wonder today how many people in western societies realized that our collective re-education into the mania by these mad men began again on the world stage with the ‘72 Munich Olympics?

    Trust me and others who’ve had the experience or others who can figure it out that no one really wants to STEAL another’s rights away from them… Rights are by and large the engine that tends to make western society work at its collective best…

    Its not that there aren’t problems, lots and lots of problems in western societies but again comparatively speaking living in a true western society is a walk in the park compared to living under something like Sharia law

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  69. Unregistered Comment by Jewells45 UNITED STATES

    Jesus Christ on a piece of toast! What the fuck is wrong with the the Times and every fucking liberal asshat in this country? This shit keeps up you fucking libs better get used to the idea of your women in burkas, all gays, Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Lutherens, Methodist (insert your religion here), your lands being taken, your freedom being taken away. Get used to beheadings on national TV. Get used to seeing what they did to those poor soldiers to be daily news, shown live for all who dare to object to see. Think I’m kidding? Keep it the fuck up. YOu people are despicable. Your are vile. You make me fucking SICK!

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  71. Unregistered Comment by thefrollickingmole

    If i can throw a different light on this.

    Islamic banking generaly tries to avoid western banking systems. One of the backward edicts of the moon god religion is a prohibition on Interest being charged or earned. (MAJOR reson for corruption and lack of investment over there). However electronic money transfers make funding various groups easy.
    Is it even remotely possible that this “leak” is a set up to make cash the preffered means of currency and restrict its fluidity?
    It would make tracking individuals easier, and large cross border transfers would become more difficult.
    Im only floating a theory here, but if the head hackers believe what is printed in that paper then it is a good way to modify their money movements and make them a bit more vulnerable to detection, being ripped off, and prosecution.
    Any merit in this line of thought??

  72. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    The liberties that our government takes away today in the name of terrorism will be permanently gone and never reinstated.

    Name three concrete examples that personally affect you.

    While your at it, consider this: The banking industry is highly regulated by the *wait for it* Federal Government. As anyone who has worked in a highly regulated industry can tell you, your expectation of privacy as a participant in that industry is less than that of a person who is not a participant. LC CSSNARL has made some good points regarding banking. As someone who worked in retail banking for several years, let me add to them. Even before 9-11, banks that wanted to stay in business had to get your personal information. This had a dual purpose: 1. It made it easy to issue a 1099-INT; and 2. They used the information to determine if you had a nasty habit of bouncing checks, king checks, or in other ways ripping off banks. If the Chexsystems inquiry came back and said you engaged in any of these behaviors, they didn’t want you as a customer.

    On to the reports on money order/cashier’s checks transactions as required by the Bank Secrecy Act, and the limits on cash trnasactions without triggerring a Currency Transaction Report(CTR), I do know the limits for 100% certain, but I signed an agreement that to this day does not let me disclose the triggering amounts. I will tell you that it doesn’t take much, especially in today’s dollars.

    Now as I understood it, this program looked at foreign currency transactions, which means they aren’t looking at John Q. Citizen’s account, unless he is sending/receiving money from London, Prague, Tehran,…you get the idea.

    I can’t think of a single government power that doesn’t have the potential for abuse, but assuming that your concern is realistic regarding this scenario, what are you hiding? If you are funneling drug profits to offshore banks, that is, and has been illegal. If you are hiding income so you don’t pay as much on taxes, that is and has been illegal, if you are recieving income that you don’t want to pay taxes on…I’m sure you get the point. Please, please explain why this program is an affront to conservatism and a danger to civil liberties, because it just isn’t apparent.

  73. LC Ranger 6 Comment by LC Ranger 6 UNITED STATES

    On to the reports on money order/cashier’s checks transactions as required by the Bank Secrecy Act, and the limits on cash trnasactions without triggerring a Currency Transaction Report(CTR), I do know the limits for 100% certain, but I signed an agreement that to this day does not let me disclose the triggering amounts. I will tell you that it doesn’t take much, especially in today’s dollars.

    Well I happen to know that for cashing out a certified funds check, $10,000 is the max without triggering tons of paperwork.

    Oh, and if you want that much at one time, you need to call the branch a few days in advance and ask them to order it.

  74. Emperor Darth Misha I Comment by Emperor Darth Misha I UNITED STATES

    There’s my entry for the ‘Shop-jobbing contest.

    Brilliant, B.C., BRILLIANT! :lol:

  75. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    Here’s another one for the Al Jazeerah Times NYSlimes.

  76. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™ UNITED STATES

    And another…

  77. Nanashi Comment by Nanashi UNITED STATES

    Pseudo-intellectual alert!

    There is some gravitas in your idea, freedoms have historically been jettisoned in times of war, as much as I hate it giving up my freedom these policies have been successful in the past.

    I do hate to break this to you, but you used the word gravitas incorrectly. Just because it was used as a DNC talking point in this manner, it doesn’t make that usage the correct one. This is what online roleplayers refer to as thesaurus rape, whereby someone earmarked as a bad roleplayer fails to understand the correct context of a word s/he is using.

    Gravitas was coined by anthropologists and social scientists to describe societal high ritual, such as the funeral of Princess Di or the Ascension of the Dalai Lama. It is not a more Latin-ised way of saying “gravity”, but a word designed to imply a hyper-seriousness that accompanies this societal high ritual. Can I get that in a sentence, please?

    “The distinction between the pilgrim and the casual tourist is the gravitas which marks the pilgrim’s procession: tourism is an external means of stimulation and entertainment, while the pilgrimage is an internal one of piety and enlightenment.”

    The moral of the story: don’t rape a thesaurus. It makes Baby Orwell cry. Pass it on!

  78. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur UNITED STATES

    I see you rushed right in with your examples of those lost civil liberities, ddegner.

    Honestly, I love a good debte as much as anyone, but whenever I call anyone out on this particular topic, the street empties, and even the shrieker is gone.

  79. Unregistered Comment by MVK MERR UNITED STATES

    Wasn’t a big deal made about how what the President definitely should be doing, by his opposition is going through financial archives and freezing up terrorist savings, isn’t that one of the biggest things he promised after 9/11? What I don’t get is how if Bush does it , it is so “bad” by Liberals who want this to be a legislative war and not a militaristic one. Maybe it is because it is reported by the NYT, and it has Bush’s name on it, you have to get hysterical. It is funny how Liberals are so hypocritical and devoid of principle. No wonder your candidates lose a good amount because they are real politicians.

  80. Unregistered Comment by kross UNITED STATES

    I think insufficient attention has been paid to Emperor Misha’s very first line in this otherwise comprehensive discussion. “[T]he official intelligence arm of al-Qaeda in America”, indeed. I would make the minor quibble that in this case, as in the NSA “wiretapping” “scandal”, the NYT has acted as a COUNTERintelligence arm of al-Qaeda. I have another quibble against the frequent charges of treason which arise on this blog; it is my understanding that the Constitution, in article III, section 3: “Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”, intends to restrict that charge only to organizing overt violence against the state (levying War), or BOTH “adhering to their Enemies” AND “giving them Aid and Comfort”, so one must not only be clearly aiding the enemy but also openly declaring allegiance to them. And alas, if there is one thing our media are good at these days, it is denying that they pursue any motive or owe allegiance to anything.

    Otherwise, the thesis here is pretty well proven, that the NYT (and the LAT, and certainly other media outlets to a lesser degree) are actively, as corporate policy, engaged in undermining America’s efforts in the GWOT, at least so long as it is the Bush administration directing those efforts.

    Clearly much of our media is engaging in this effort in disregard of their own commercial interests (and, to the extent they are publicly held, ought to be living in fear of their stockholders), but I really wonder if they’ve considered all the implications of their undeclared war on America’s interests. We have allies, after all, some of them in much more precarious shape than we are, and with fewer legal and historic safeguards to ensure press freedom. One might mention Pervez Musharraf, or President Uribe of Columbia. In other words, “hey, Pinch, who’re you going to run crying to when all your employees in Pakistan, Columbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Thailand, Morocco, Albania, and Kosovo just disappear?“. I suppose eventually your pals in the State Department will leak you the updated list of terrorist organizations from our more desperate and endangered allies. Speech has consequences, in an ideological war.

  81. RobH Comment by RobH

    Courtesy of MM’s site.

    [Rob, apparently MM isn’t allowing hotlinking to that pic, so I copied it over to the Realm™’s backyard so everyone could see it.  -S.]

  82. RobH Comment by RobH

    one more for the road, but betcha the Left STILL doesn’t get it - EVEN WHEN WE USE PICTURES!!

    [And again.  -S.]