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Comments on: Have you seen it? http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1040 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:55:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: DJ Allyn, ITW http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1040#comment-42454 DJ Allyn, ITW Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:06:56 +0000 http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1040#comment-42454 <blockquote>It would appear that we have different ideas of what constitutes a MAJOR operating system.</blockquote> From a <em>web designer's</em> standpoint, a <strong>MAJOR</strong> operating system would be one used by the <strong>MAJORity</strong> of users visiting the site. Your choice of operating systems --Ubuntu Linux-- has a 0.04 percent of the share here. <blockquote>The machine was designed for Vista. It still requires more than twice the memory of any of the Linux or Mac boxes around here just to perform basic functions. Fortunately it does work for the one function it was purchased for. Otherwise it would have been gone long ago.</blockquote> So it is doing something your other machine <em>can't</em> do. Gee, go figure. I am betting that it can do everything your Linux box can do. Yes, it uses twice the resources your Linux box does. So what? It also does more than your Linux box. Don't get me wrong, I really have nothing against Linux -- it is a great operating platform for servers, in fact this site is running on Linux. But servers are not desktop machines. Their only function is to act as a CPU to process and serve information with a minimal amount of resources. I have serious problems with servers running Windows. Aaron swears by them -- I point out his folly all the time with mine. <blockquote>Which tells me that any sort of certification program for MS software is worthless. Why bother, they’ll change the spec on you.</blockquote> What happened was that many computer manufacturers jumped the gun on rolling out their computers before RC2 was released. They are the ones who wanted to get their product on the shelf eight months before the final release, and six months before the RC2 release so they could tout their "Designed for Vista" (in mind) products. They were shipped with XP installed, and a voucher for Vista when it was released. The problem was, most were using video cards that on the preliminary specs might have been okay, but after the RC testing it was discovered those video cards were NOT okay. <blockquote>Nice to see that like the original Windows, it still takes MS three tries to get it right.</blockquote> Most software versions of anything have updates. If Ubuntu Linux was the operating system found in 96 percent of the machines world wide, you can bet there would be security patches coming out every week to combat hacking and other nefarious deeds. After a while, the number of patches on an O/S becomes so cumbersome, it requires a "service pack upgrade" to put them all together in a better package. So, the only real benefit you have by running Ubuntu Linux is that nobody out there has a burning need to hack into your machine because a very small percentage of people even use them. But you can bet your machine is so full of security holes a middle school kid could exploit them in minutes. Your only defense is that nobody knows you are there. <blockquote>And as I said before, we have differing opinions of what constitutes a major OS.</blockquote> I see, this must be "Opposite Day" This is the day where you try to convince me that the fewer number of people using a product makes that product more popular than all others. Notice I am not saying Windows is BETTER than Linux, I am saying that Windows has the MAJORITY SHARE -- and that is what web designers (and software designers for that matter) base their work on. Look, if 96.06 percent of the visitors on this site read and speak Hebrew, then the site would be written and published in Hebrew. The 0.04 percent of English speakers would either be assed-out or would be forced to find a translator. Ideally, the website would try to make their site available to <s>ALL</s> MOST languages (actually something I am working on here BTW, but I am giving away a little secret too soon) You made the assumption that <em>I don't care</em> if you can't view something on this site properly. That would be a wrong assumption. I will do whatever I can to make things work for everyone. But there are some things I just cannot do no matter how hard I try. In web design, there are Standards, and there are Realities. The "Standards" are a goal to reach for everyone, while the "Realities" are that only a few of the end-users are capable of reaching those standards with the equipment they have. Do you realize that there are still some people visiting this site with Windows 3.10? Also WebTV, and IE4. Do I make allowances for them? If I do, the site might as well be in plain text. <blockquote>Really, and how did they convince all the various code authors to sign that over? MS may have certain patents, but then those would be tested in court.</blockquote> You haven't been paying attention, have you? MicroShaft has been acquiring agreements and investing in companies like Novell -- who actually owns most of the basic architecture of Linux through patents -- and the others are already starting to feel the squeeze. I am not saying it is a good thing, but that is what has been happening. This is what happens when you don't regulate corporations -- they just grow and grow and consume everything in their way. But that is another rant, and most people here don't see this is happening all over the place. <blockquote>It’s just our way of saying we love you.</blockquote> It's a pretty fucked up thing to say, and if it had been face-to-face, there would be nothing left but a shit-stain. <blockquote>Yout statement <strong>made it appear</strong> <em>[emphasis mine]</em> </blockquote> That was how you chose to take it. A lot of people don't have flash on their systems -- on purpose. <blockquote>From the description I provided, I had thought it was clear that I had a working installation of the flash plugin, otherwise I could not have seen the ad behind the peel. </blockquote> It wasn't clear, and I obviously didn't catch it. I was probably a bit distracted at the time -- I tend to do ten different things at a time around here -- and missed that. <blockquote>Of course, there’s always the irony of a liberal making fun of someone for daring to be a little different. Had I seen that sooner, I would have likely approached this quite differently.</blockquote> Don't assume that we are all the same. I can wrap my mind around a lot of the stuff on BOTH sides of the aisle, but not around everything on either. <blockquote>In your haste, you replied to psychochick in the same post as well as me. Slow down.</blockquote> Actually, I wasn't talking to you. It was directed towards PsychoChick. I was being <em>CONSERVATIVE</em> with my posting. I am capable of using one comment to talk to more than one person. <blockquote>Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go build a couple of machines that will be offered as a solution to a DNS problem.</blockquote> As long as it works. Have fun with that. Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

It would appear that we have different ideas of what constitutes a MAJOR operating system.

From a web designer’s standpoint, a MAJOR operating system would be one used by the MAJORity of users visiting the site. Your choice of operating systems –Ubuntu Linux– has a 0.04 percent of the share here.

The machine was designed for Vista. It still requires more than twice the memory of any of the Linux or Mac boxes around here just to perform basic functions. Fortunately it does work for the one function it was purchased for. Otherwise it would have been gone long ago.

So it is doing something your other machine can’t do. Gee, go figure. I am betting that it can do everything your Linux box can do.

Yes, it uses twice the resources your Linux box does. So what? It also does more than your Linux box.

Don’t get me wrong, I really have nothing against Linux — it is a great operating platform for servers, in fact this site is running on Linux.

But servers are not desktop machines. Their only function is to act as a CPU to process and serve information with a minimal amount of resources.

I have serious problems with servers running Windows. Aaron swears by them — I point out his folly all the time with mine.

Which tells me that any sort of certification program for MS software is worthless. Why bother, they’ll change the spec on you.

What happened was that many computer manufacturers jumped the gun on rolling out their computers before RC2 was released. They are the ones who wanted to get their product on the shelf eight months before the final release, and six months before the RC2 release so they could tout their “Designed for Vista” (in mind) products. They were shipped with XP installed, and a voucher for Vista when it was released.

The problem was, most were using video cards that on the preliminary specs might have been okay, but after the RC testing it was discovered those video cards were NOT okay.

Nice to see that like the original Windows, it still takes MS three tries to get it right.

Most software versions of anything have updates. If Ubuntu Linux was the operating system found in 96 percent of the machines world wide, you can bet there would be security patches coming out every week to combat hacking and other nefarious deeds. After a while, the number of patches on an O/S becomes so cumbersome, it requires a “service pack upgrade” to put them all together in a better package.

So, the only real benefit you have by running Ubuntu Linux is that nobody out there has a burning need to hack into your machine because a very small percentage of people even use them.

But you can bet your machine is so full of security holes a middle school kid could exploit them in minutes. Your only defense is that nobody knows you are there.

And as I said before, we have differing opinions of what constitutes a major OS.

I see, this must be “Opposite Day” This is the day where you try to convince me that the fewer number of people using a product makes that product more popular than all others.

Notice I am not saying Windows is BETTER than Linux, I am saying that Windows has the MAJORITY SHARE — and that is what web designers (and software designers for that matter) base their work on.

Look, if 96.06 percent of the visitors on this site read and speak Hebrew, then the site would be written and published in Hebrew. The 0.04 percent of English speakers would either be assed-out or would be forced to find a translator.

Ideally, the website would try to make their site available to ALL MOST languages (actually something I am working on here BTW, but I am giving away a little secret too soon)

You made the assumption that I don’t care if you can’t view something on this site properly. That would be a wrong assumption. I will do whatever I can to make things work for everyone. But there are some things I just cannot do no matter how hard I try.

In web design, there are Standards, and there are Realities. The “Standards” are a goal to reach for everyone, while the “Realities” are that only a few of the end-users are capable of reaching those standards with the equipment they have.

Do you realize that there are still some people visiting this site with Windows 3.10? Also WebTV, and IE4. Do I make allowances for them? If I do, the site might as well be in plain text.

Really, and how did they convince all the various code authors to sign that over? MS may have certain patents, but then those would be tested in court.

You haven’t been paying attention, have you? MicroShaft has been acquiring agreements and investing in companies like Novell — who actually owns most of the basic architecture of Linux through patents — and the others are already starting to feel the squeeze.

I am not saying it is a good thing, but that is what has been happening. This is what happens when you don’t regulate corporations — they just grow and grow and consume everything in their way. But that is another rant, and most people here don’t see this is happening all over the place.

It’s just our way of saying we love you.

It’s a pretty fucked up thing to say, and if it had been face-to-face, there would be nothing left but a shit-stain.

Yout statement made it appear [emphasis mine]

That was how you chose to take it. A lot of people don’t have flash on their systems — on purpose.

From the description I provided, I had thought it was clear that I had a working installation of the flash plugin, otherwise I could not have seen the ad behind the peel.

It wasn’t clear, and I obviously didn’t catch it. I was probably a bit distracted at the time — I tend to do ten different things at a time around here — and missed that.

Of course, there’s always the irony of a liberal making fun of someone for daring to be a little different. Had I seen that sooner, I would have likely approached this quite differently.

Don’t assume that we are all the same. I can wrap my mind around a lot of the stuff on BOTH sides of the aisle, but not around everything on either.

In your haste, you replied to psychochick in the same post as well as me. Slow down.

Actually, I wasn’t talking to you. It was directed towards PsychoChick. I was being CONSERVATIVE with my posting. I am capable of using one comment to talk to more than one person.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go build a couple of machines that will be offered as a solution to a DNS problem.

As long as it works. Have fun with that.

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