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Comments on: Blowing Holes in GFW’s “Logic” http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1110 Sun, 21 Jan 2018 08:22:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: DukeFenton http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1110#comment-44965 DukeFenton Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:09:59 +0000 http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1110#comment-44965 #25 by DJ Allyn, still high on what he pretends are Rx drugs... <blockquote>There aren’t roving bands of criminals scouring the neighborhoods looking for victims.</blockquote> Uh DJ, *TWO* people in this very thread have already reported being victims of random violence - and that's just in this little thread. It's rather callous of you to dismiss that out of hand just because *YOU* haven't been the target yet. <blockquote>Have you had a neighbor killed in the past week or so? </blockquote> Do tell us DJ, just how often does someone I know have to be killed before you'll permit me to be worried about it? A good friend of mine was burned alive by jihadis; please let me know the statute of limitations until you'll no longer permit me to think they're dangerous... <blockquote>Apparently, the insurance company feels there is a difference… </blockquote> Maybe because their knowledge base extends beyond your narrow experience and selfish perspective? Naaah, couldn't be... <blockquote>We got guns — we even have places to shoot em. We just have a shortage of the number of goblins that apparently are rampant around your area.</blockquote> Isn't that *EXACTLY* the correlation we've been trying to beat through your stupid, ignorant skull? When the populace is armed, there is less crime. <strong>FUCKING *DUH*!!!!!!</strong> <blockquote>But I can’t let myself worry that every time I leave the house I may have to shoot someone.</blockquote> Nobody has suggested anything even remotely like that. Stop it with the strawmen already, some people here are allergic. <blockquote>I may have had a few close calls, but given the fact that I am here to talk about it now means that I made it through alright. </blockquote> So what? I'll bet nobody who went over that bridge in Minnesota ever did that before; up until that instant, they all 'made it through alright.' <blockquote>Getting back to my original point, when was the last time you felt that you might need to have to shoot someone? </blockquote> That's irrelevant and you know it. With luck you'll *NEVER* have to use the thing; but if such an event should occur you're not going to have the chance to say, "Well gee it looks like I need defense after all." <blockquote>But for me, I have gotten along well enough for a long time without the need to be armed.</blockquote> So did Nicole Simpson - for a time... <em>More crap from DJ...</em> <blockquote>I spent some time in Athens myself as a young pup, but never had a situation like you had. Maybe because I wasn’t an American serviceman in the wrong place at the wrong time? </blockquote> That sounds disturbingly like blaming the victim, DJ. Tell me, exactly how much of THEIR OWN COUNTRY do you think our service members have no business being in? If it's a public place, it is never the target who is in 'the wrong place.' <blockquote>BC, how many times has the average person been in a situation where there was a 100 percent chance of being ‘guaranteed dead’? </blockquote> How many times does it take, moron? <blockquote>Maybe for you — up to this point in your life. But here I am, with no carry weapon, and here you are WITH a carry weapon and we are still sitting here talking to each other. </blockquote> You are aware that the plural of anecdote is not data, I hope? Actually, given your demonstrated capacity for rational thought, probably not. You have the EXACT SAME attitude as a buddy of mine who thought driving under the influence was fine because he'd 'always' gotten home safely. In fact, drunk drivers do make it home safely over 99% of the time, so by your 'logic' we should permit the practice. (Luckily he got out of the habit before anything untoward happened.) <blockquote>I go back to the original again: how many times do you think that carrying a gun has actually saved your life?</blockquote> Again, how many times does it take to be a worthwhile investment? <blockquote>Do you think it is possible you could have gotten out of that situation without the gun? </blockquote> Sure, if you had several years to go over it in perfect hindsight. Being the fuckhead lawyer type you are, though, it never occurs to you to admit that AT THE TIME there may not be the luxury of that kind of analysis. And AT THE TIME is when it matters. <blockquote>You’re right, with all of the global warming, I am probably effecting something somewhere, aren’t I? </blockquote> That's *affecting* DJ. How can you be so dense when you've been corrected before? Aren't you the oh-so-smart Librul English major? <blockquote>It is only the tiny few who feel that if there were no guns in the world, it would somehow be a place like the Big Rock Candy Mountain or something like that. </blockquote> No, there are a *large* number who think that if they can only get the guns out of the hands of citizens while retaining them for the government, their power will be secure forever. <blockquote> >> My family has a MUCH higher chance of having a >> violent crime committed against them than being >> wiped out by a hurricane. See? If you had said ‘volcano’, I would have conceded. But a hurricane? Never say never in Florida. </blockquote> He *DIDN'T* say 'never' you disingenuous fuckbag; he said his family is more at risk from violent crime than hurricanes; and even in Florida, the statistics back that up - by about 20 to 1. Lay off the drugs, dude. You were loopy enough to begin with. 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#25 by DJ Allyn, still high on what he pretends are Rx drugs…

There aren’t roving bands of criminals scouring the neighborhoods looking for victims.

Uh DJ, *TWO* people in this very thread have already reported being victims of random violence - and that’s just in this little thread. It’s rather callous of you to dismiss that out of hand just because *YOU* haven’t been the target yet.

Have you had a neighbor killed in the past week or so?

Do tell us DJ, just how often does someone I know have to be killed before you’ll permit me to be worried about it? A good friend of mine was burned alive by jihadis; please let me know the statute of limitations until you’ll no longer permit me to think they’re dangerous…

Apparently, the insurance company feels there is a difference…

Maybe because their knowledge base extends beyond your narrow experience and selfish perspective? Naaah, couldn’t be…

We got guns — we even have places to shoot em. We just have a shortage of the number of goblins that apparently are rampant around your area.

Isn’t that *EXACTLY* the correlation we’ve been trying to beat through your stupid, ignorant skull? When the populace is armed, there is less crime. FUCKING *DUH*!!!!!!

But I can’t let myself worry that every time I leave the house I may have to shoot someone.

Nobody has suggested anything even remotely like that. Stop it with the strawmen already, some people here are allergic.

I may have had a few close calls, but given the fact that I am here to talk about it now means that I made it through alright.

So what? I’ll bet nobody who went over that bridge in Minnesota ever did that before; up until that instant, they all ‘made it through alright.’

Getting back to my original point, when was the last time you felt that you might need to have to shoot someone?

That’s irrelevant and you know it. With luck you’ll *NEVER* have to use the thing; but if such an event should occur you’re not going to have the chance to say, “Well gee it looks like I need defense after all.”

But for me, I have gotten along well enough for a long time without the need to be armed.

So did Nicole Simpson - for a time…

More crap from DJ…

I spent some time in Athens myself as a young pup, but never had a situation like you had. Maybe because I wasn’t an American serviceman in the wrong place at the wrong time?

That sounds disturbingly like blaming the victim, DJ. Tell me, exactly how much of THEIR OWN COUNTRY do you think our service members have no business being in? If it’s a public place, it is never the target who is in ‘the wrong place.’

BC, how many times has the average person been in a situation where there was a 100 percent chance of being ‘guaranteed dead’?

How many times does it take, moron?

Maybe for you — up to this point in your life. But here I am, with no carry weapon, and here you are WITH a carry weapon and we are still sitting here talking to each other.

You are aware that the plural of anecdote is not data, I hope? Actually, given your demonstrated capacity for rational thought, probably not. You have the EXACT SAME attitude as a buddy of mine who thought driving under the influence was fine because he’d ‘always’ gotten home safely. In fact, drunk drivers do make it home safely over 99% of the time, so by your ‘logic’ we should permit the practice.

(Luckily he got out of the habit before anything untoward happened.)

I go back to the original again: how many times do you think that carrying a gun has actually saved your life?

Again, how many times does it take to be a worthwhile investment?

Do you think it is possible you could have gotten out of that situation without the gun?

Sure, if you had several years to go over it in perfect hindsight. Being the fuckhead lawyer type you are, though, it never occurs to you to admit that AT THE TIME there may not be the luxury of that kind of analysis. And AT THE TIME is when it matters.

You’re right, with all of the global warming, I am probably effecting something somewhere, aren’t I?

That’s *affecting* DJ. How can you be so dense when you’ve been corrected before? Aren’t you the oh-so-smart Librul English major?

It is only the tiny few who feel that if there were no guns in the world, it would somehow be a place like the Big Rock Candy Mountain or something like that.

No, there are a *large* number who think that if they can only get the guns out of the hands of citizens while retaining them for the government, their power will be secure forever.

>> My family has a MUCH higher chance of having a
>> violent crime committed against them than being
>> wiped out by a hurricane.

See? If you had said ‘volcano’, I would have conceded. But a hurricane? Never say never in Florida.

He *DIDN’T* say ‘never’ you disingenuous fuckbag; he said his family is more at risk from violent crime than hurricanes; and even in Florida, the statistics back that up - by about 20 to 1.

Lay off the drugs, dude. You were loopy enough to begin with.

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