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Comments on: All That The Kossacks Are Left With… http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1171 Tue, 16 Jan 2018 08:02:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: jaybear http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1171#comment-47084 jaybear Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:24:05 +0000 http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=1171#comment-47084 <strong>Muzzy</strong> sez: <blockquote>I couldn’t care less if Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, an Atheist, a Fundamentalist Snake Handler or a fucking Moonie. I don’t care *how* many of the Founding Fathers secretly yearned to establish a Christian Theocracy. None of that matters one single iota. It’s a completely academic discussion. The fact of the matter is that commingling religion and government simply doesn’t work. You show me a country governed according to religious principles, and I’ll show you a shithole. End of.</blockquote> well though out and well said <strong>Muzzy</strong>, however.... I think that those "certain unalienable rights" that our founding fathers spoke about carry extra importance when they are endowed by someone other than some politician. When they're endowed by "Our Creator" then that means that we are born with them, not presented with them by a court or a judge. Applied properly, like in this nation, God and religion can play a very positive role. Faith in a higher power deflates ones image of oneself as superior...something MOST of our decision makers today could desperately use. The founding fathers had little faith in mans ability to establish a free republic, they believed that their mission was divinely inspired. What distinguishes them from people like Innocent III or bin laden or ahmadinejad is that they didn't believe that they were empowered to set up a Papal nation or a caliphate. They were too humble for that, they believed in the free will of men and believed that men were blessed by God to think and live on their own, free of the encumbrances of a state dominated by a church or religion. I believe that the experiment of One Nation Under God works pretty damned well over here. It's only when our elected representatives start seeing themselves as minor deities that things go awry..... Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

Muzzy sez:

I couldn’t care less if Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, an Atheist, a Fundamentalist Snake Handler or a fucking Moonie. I don’t care *how* many of the Founding Fathers secretly yearned to establish a Christian Theocracy. None of that matters one single iota. It’s a completely academic discussion. The fact of the matter is that commingling religion and government simply doesn’t work. You show me a country governed according to religious principles, and I’ll show you a shithole. End of.

well though out and well said Muzzy, however….

I think that those “certain unalienable rights” that our founding fathers spoke about carry extra importance when they are endowed by someone other than some politician. When they’re endowed by “Our Creator” then that means that we are born with them, not presented with them by a court or a judge.

Applied properly, like in this nation, God and religion can play a very positive role. Faith in a higher power deflates ones image of oneself as superior…something MOST of our decision makers today could desperately use. The founding fathers had little faith in mans ability to establish a free republic, they believed that their mission was divinely inspired. What distinguishes them from people like Innocent III or bin laden or ahmadinejad is that they didn’t believe that they were empowered to set up a Papal nation or a caliphate. They were too humble for that, they believed in the free will of men and believed that men were blessed by God to think and live on their own, free of the encumbrances of a state dominated by a church or religion.

I believe that the experiment of One Nation Under God works pretty damned well over here. It’s only when our elected representatives start seeing themselves as minor deities that things go awry…..

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