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Comments on: Hymietown Redux http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=609 Thu, 18 Jan 2018 05:46:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: LC RobertHuntingdon http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=609#comment-21908 LC RobertHuntingdon Mon, 14 May 2007 05:18:26 +0000 http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=609#comment-21908 I'll pass on the rites stuff. I really couldn't care less. We're arguing over the definition of the word is at this point and it's stupid. I don't consider somebody who claims to be "under my authority" but yet disobeys my orders as under my authority. But oh well. But abstaining from marriage does NOT make you more spritual. You should read some of Paul's anti-gnostic epistles a bit closer. He bashed that load of fecal matter over the head with such force it takes a truly determined refusal to admit the plain obvious facts to continue to buy into that garbage. Then again, maybe you aren't aware of exactly what gnosticism is or why it was the focus of so many of Paul's letters. If so, you should consider reading the book "Primitive Christianity in Crisis". Not that the author of that book gets everything right, but he nails what Gnosticism is quite well and once you know what it is half of Paul's letters practically REEK of anti-gnostic corrections. IMO, understanding what gnosticism is and where it came from is critical to truly understanding the NT. Because at least a quarter and probably even over half of the NT (numerically speaking by books) had at least something to do with combating gnosticism. Many of them also fought the other form of legalism from the Judaisers who tried to win salvation through pennance and works. And the Catholics have the modern day decendants of both. Sorry if the truth hurts, but that doesn't mean it's not the truth. I'm sorry if you thought I was tarring with too wide a brush on the priest sex scandals. And for those who do actually do good work in humility and meekness, GREAT!!! But the thing is, it's NOT "over" because more of these KEEP cropping up. And many of them STILL have not been punished in the slightest, just hustled out of town in the dark of night and sent to a new parish. You say 2%. I would love if it was merely that small a number, but as you say even that is too many, and I don't think it's that low. I hope it's fairly close but I'm not holding my breath either. There've been just too many scandals over and over and over again. But even if I'm wrong here (which frankly I'd love to be) the entire situation is directly caused by the completely unbiblical teaching that priests cannot marry. You simply can NOT support that from scripture without bending it into a pretzel first and trying to pretend one scripture trumps 14 others. Like, for example, the explicit instruction from Paul to Timothy in which one of the primary qualifications of a "bishop" (elder/minister/priest/pastor) was to be married and rule his houshold (INCLUDING KIDS!) well!! Sorry, but the scripture you twisted into a pretzel in I Cor just doesn't trump this one. Neither does it trump that one. Each gives you a piece of the truth, not the entire thing in one 5 second soundbyte. And you do not get to pick and choose. They either ALL have to fit together or you might as well go in search of a new religion. Again, OK I see what you mean re: HRE. I still think that's sloppy terminology, but oh well it's not a critical issue. I only brought it up in the first place because it was one of several errors in rapid fire sucession. As for books, you're right, the ones that got buried (and survived that is) were absolutely insane books... but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. That doesn't mean their mistaken followers weren't cheerfully slaughtered and oppressed... and the believers of those insane books were NOT the only alternate groups that were around. That was my whole point. Constantine made *Catholocism* the official religion of the Roman Empire. It was not then the only flavor of Christianity/pseduoChristianity out there. There were quite a large number. Then there were only a few, and all but one was hiding in constant fear of their lives. I don't exactly consider that sort of "sectarian cleansing" very Christian. Do you? I didn't say that you observe the rites of the pagans, but you still observe the same days. And there is simply NO biblical command to observe those days. So unless you believe the lies of Simon Pater then there is no authority to create those days in the first place. You consider it not a big deal. I say the evidence of three or four (depending on how you count it) Isrealite exiles from the promised land is absolute PROOF that God wasn't terribly happy with them when they did it. Why should a being described as "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" be furious with one people doing something and then just go "oh well, who cares" with somebody else doing the exact same thing!?!? Would you like it if your boss let another employee take money out of the cash till (or in some other way blatantly steal from the company) but fire you if you tried to do it? It's the same principle. Either it's blatant favoratism and/or racism or the entire idea is obviously NOT acceptable to God. As for "respected" treatises... respected by WHO? Catholics. And ONLY by Catholics. (Well probably a lot of Protestants too but then most of them are still Catholics in everything but name.) It's like the IPCC report is "respected" only by those whose positions and power depend on the sheeple believing that they aren't lying about glowball wormening. It's the same thing. History was written by the winners and those winners were Catholics. Many today simply assume what was written was the truth. But much of it wasn't. And I have heard before that "St. Peter's" bones are no longer in Rome because the Catholics KNOW those bones were not his. Whether that is true or not, they really weren't his. They were Simon Pater's. I know what "the tradition" states. It's not true. Paul very likely was martyred in Rome, yes. But every single bit of "proof" that Peter ever set one FOOT in Rome at all comes straight out of the very people who have EVERYTHING to lose by publically admitting the truth. You can choose to continue to believe if you wish. But it's not true. The man who was martyred in Rome, the man who founded the Catholic Church, was Simon PATER, NOT Simon Peter. I could probably find you some links for this. I'm not going to. The information is out there, if you want to find it you can. But it's simply not necessary. The entire house of cards that is the Catholic church in all its malevolent glory is underpined by misinterprising the role of Peter. Without that lynchpin the entire house of cards tumbles down in no time flat. Which is why I KEEP harping on the difference betwen Petros and Petra. You can prove that easily enough too if you wish. If you choose to not hide from the truth, then do so, and then watch as everything else built on top of the supposed primacy of the pope falls down just like a house of cards with a support knocked out of the base. And you really should read Primitive Christianity in Crisis. Then you will at least know what gnosticism is... and you will find over time that a LOT of scriptures in Paul's writings suddenly have a lot more meaning. RH Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

I’ll pass on the rites stuff. I really couldn’t care less. We’re arguing over the definition of the word is at this point and it’s stupid. I don’t consider somebody who claims to be “under my authority” but yet disobeys my orders as under my authority. But oh well.

But abstaining from marriage does NOT make you more spritual. You should read some of Paul’s anti-gnostic epistles a bit closer. He bashed that load of fecal matter over the head with such force it takes a truly determined refusal to admit the plain obvious facts to continue to buy into that garbage. Then again, maybe you aren’t aware of exactly what gnosticism is or why it was the focus of so many of Paul’s letters. If so, you should consider reading the book “Primitive Christianity in Crisis”. Not that the author of that book gets everything right, but he nails what Gnosticism is quite well and once you know what it is half of Paul’s letters practically REEK of anti-gnostic corrections. IMO, understanding what gnosticism is and where it came from is critical to truly understanding the NT. Because at least a quarter and probably even over half of the NT (numerically speaking by books) had at least something to do with combating gnosticism. Many of them also fought the other form of legalism from the Judaisers who tried to win salvation through pennance and works. And the Catholics have the modern day decendants of both. Sorry if the truth hurts, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth.

I’m sorry if you thought I was tarring with too wide a brush on the priest sex scandals. And for those who do actually do good work in humility and meekness, GREAT!!! But the thing is, it’s NOT “over” because more of these KEEP cropping up. And many of them STILL have not been punished in the slightest, just hustled out of town in the dark of night and sent to a new parish. You say 2%. I would love if it was merely that small a number, but as you say even that is too many, and I don’t think it’s that low. I hope it’s fairly close but I’m not holding my breath either. There’ve been just too many scandals over and over and over again. But even if I’m wrong here (which frankly I’d love to be) the entire situation is directly caused by the completely unbiblical teaching that priests cannot marry. You simply can NOT support that from scripture without bending it into a pretzel first and trying to pretend one scripture trumps 14 others. Like, for example, the explicit instruction from Paul to Timothy in which one of the primary qualifications of a “bishop” (elder/minister/priest/pastor) was to be married and rule his houshold (INCLUDING KIDS!) well!! Sorry, but the scripture you twisted into a pretzel in I Cor just doesn’t trump this one. Neither does it trump that one. Each gives you a piece of the truth, not the entire thing in one 5 second soundbyte. And you do not get to pick and choose. They either ALL have to fit together or you might as well go in search of a new religion.

Again, OK I see what you mean re: HRE. I still think that’s sloppy terminology, but oh well it’s not a critical issue. I only brought it up in the first place because it was one of several errors in rapid fire sucession.

As for books, you’re right, the ones that got buried (and survived that is) were absolutely insane books… but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. That doesn’t mean their mistaken followers weren’t cheerfully slaughtered and oppressed… and the believers of those insane books were NOT the only alternate groups that were around. That was my whole point. Constantine made *Catholocism* the official religion of the Roman Empire. It was not then the only flavor of Christianity/pseduoChristianity out there. There were quite a large number. Then there were only a few, and all but one was hiding in constant fear of their lives. I don’t exactly consider that sort of “sectarian cleansing” very Christian. Do you?

I didn’t say that you observe the rites of the pagans, but you still observe the same days. And there is simply NO biblical command to observe those days. So unless you believe the lies of Simon Pater then there is no authority to create those days in the first place. You consider it not a big deal. I say the evidence of three or four (depending on how you count it) Isrealite exiles from the promised land is absolute PROOF that God wasn’t terribly happy with them when they did it. Why should a being described as “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever” be furious with one people doing something and then just go “oh well, who cares” with somebody else doing the exact same thing!?!? Would you like it if your boss let another employee take money out of the cash till (or in some other way blatantly steal from the company) but fire you if you tried to do it? It’s the same principle. Either it’s blatant favoratism and/or racism or the entire idea is obviously NOT acceptable to God.

As for “respected” treatises… respected by WHO? Catholics. And ONLY by Catholics. (Well probably a lot of Protestants too but then most of them are still Catholics in everything but name.) It’s like the IPCC report is “respected” only by those whose positions and power depend on the sheeple believing that they aren’t lying about glowball wormening. It’s the same thing. History was written by the winners and those winners were Catholics. Many today simply assume what was written was the truth. But much of it wasn’t.

And I have heard before that “St. Peter’s” bones are no longer in Rome because the Catholics KNOW those bones were not his. Whether that is true or not, they really weren’t his. They were Simon Pater’s. I know what “the tradition” states. It’s not true. Paul very likely was martyred in Rome, yes. But every single bit of “proof” that Peter ever set one FOOT in Rome at all comes straight out of the very people who have EVERYTHING to lose by publically admitting the truth. You can choose to continue to believe if you wish. But it’s not true. The man who was martyred in Rome, the man who founded the Catholic Church, was Simon PATER, NOT Simon Peter.

I could probably find you some links for this. I’m not going to. The information is out there, if you want to find it you can. But it’s simply not necessary. The entire house of cards that is the Catholic church in all its malevolent glory is underpined by misinterprising the role of Peter. Without that lynchpin the entire house of cards tumbles down in no time flat. Which is why I KEEP harping on the difference betwen Petros and Petra. You can prove that easily enough too if you wish. If you choose to not hide from the truth, then do so, and then watch as everything else built on top of the supposed primacy of the pope falls down just like a house of cards with a support knocked out of the base.

And you really should read Primitive Christianity in Crisis. Then you will at least know what gnosticism is… and you will find over time that a LOT of scriptures in Paul’s writings suddenly have a lot more meaning.

RH

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