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Comments on: Amnesty Shenanigans http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=747 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:44:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: AyUaxe http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=747#comment-28590 AyUaxe Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:42:25 +0000 http://www.nicedoggie.net/2007/?p=747#comment-28590 On the issue of U.S. soldiers going storm trooper on locals--I hate to say it, 'cause I revere our military, but if they get orders to treat civilians as the enemy, for the most part, they will. See, e.g., Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge, and yes, NOLA (don't flame me about some of those being FBI and ATF--if you think there's a meaningful difference, you've drunk the Feds' KoolAide). I don't think it's because soldiers have no initiative or are inherently authoritarian, but they will follow orders until shown they are wrong. If citizens are shooting at or around them and they're being told the citizens are the enemy, soldiers will do what they're trained to do and won't be terribly discriminating about it. LC Mrs. M-ITT gives the convenient general lawlessness excuse, but that has turned out to be a media wive's tale. Though looting was a major problem, stories of shooting at rescue workers and choppers, like the bs about carnage in the StuporDome, have turned out to be hysterical hearsay and politicized lies. Did people hear shots and worry--probably. Did anyone get shot at that didn't deserve it--evidence and reliable first hand accounts (like from actual rescue workers and soldiers) indicate none or very, very little. People were being told these things, not seeing them. History says that decent Folks will have to lay low, befriend soldiers and law enforcement, give up no information about arms and only take action in extremis. As nicki_f points out, it may not have been NGs directly doing confiscations- -first person accounts and film I've seen showed NoPD and out-of-state LEOs stompin' citizens' rights (Californicators, being the most egregious--hmm, surprise surprise). Problem is, if the citizen fought back, as we have the right to do in La., who was providing "security"? I have a cousin who got an M4 in the face for walking towards home on the GNO bridge approach, instead of the way an NG wanted him to go. No, not shot, but he wasn't stupid enough to tell the NG what he had the right to--"F Off." BTW, while media and the usual leftard suspects are painting the Sportsman's Lounge debacle in the worst light for law enforcement, this smells like a well worn "zuitcase" (aka lawsuit) scam. That bar is in the pit of the heart of darkness. Remember the 5 teen gangbangers that got capped by a few of their opposite numbers about a year ago (oh the horror, the children-- NOT)--about 5-6 blocks from Elloie's place. Sure, folks have the right to live and congregate peacefully anywhere they want (though it makes it highly unlikely the clientele are the sunday-schoolers the press is making them out to be), but if a couple of gang-bangers run through a business and you stonewall the cops in hot pursuit, you're gonna get some rough treatment. Elloie's story and his "witnesses" are full of it. It wouldn't surprise me if the NoPD overreached though either. So we're full circle and the bottom line is, you've gotta be prepared to take care of yourself against pretty much all comers. One case of ammo for each gun probably isn't enough. Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

On the issue of U.S. soldiers going storm trooper on locals–I hate to say it, ’cause I revere our military, but if they get orders to treat civilians as the enemy, for the most part, they will. See, e.g., Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge, and yes, NOLA (don’t flame me about some of those being FBI and ATF–if you think there’s a meaningful difference, you’ve drunk the Feds’ KoolAide). I don’t think it’s because soldiers have no initiative or are inherently authoritarian, but they will follow orders until shown they are wrong. If citizens are shooting at or around them and they’re being told the citizens are the enemy, soldiers will do what they’re trained to do and won’t be terribly discriminating about it.

LC Mrs. M-ITT gives the convenient general lawlessness excuse, but that has turned out to be a media wive’s tale. Though looting was a major problem, stories of shooting at rescue workers and choppers, like the bs about carnage in the StuporDome, have turned out to be hysterical hearsay and politicized lies. Did people hear shots and worry–probably. Did anyone get shot at that didn’t deserve it–evidence and reliable first hand accounts (like from actual rescue workers and soldiers) indicate none or very, very little. People were being told these things, not seeing them.

History says that decent Folks will have to lay low, befriend soldiers and law enforcement, give up no information about arms and only take action in extremis. As nicki_f points out, it may not have been NGs directly doing confiscations- -first person accounts and film I’ve seen showed NoPD and out-of-state LEOs stompin’ citizens’ rights (Californicators, being the most egregious–hmm, surprise surprise). Problem is, if the citizen fought back, as we have the right to do in La., who was providing “security”? I have a cousin who got an M4 in the face for walking towards home on the GNO bridge approach, instead of the way an NG wanted him to go. No, not shot, but he wasn’t stupid enough to tell the NG what he had the right to–”F Off.”

BTW, while media and the usual leftard suspects are painting the Sportsman’s Lounge debacle in the worst light for law enforcement, this smells like a well worn “zuitcase” (aka lawsuit) scam. That bar is in the pit of the heart of darkness. Remember the 5 teen gangbangers that got capped by a few of their opposite numbers about a year ago (oh the horror, the children– NOT)–about 5-6 blocks from Elloie’s place. Sure, folks have the right to live and congregate peacefully anywhere they want (though it makes it highly unlikely the clientele are the sunday-schoolers the press is making them out to be), but if a couple of gang-bangers run through a business and you stonewall the cops in hot pursuit, you’re gonna get some rough treatment. Elloie’s story and his “witnesses” are full of it. It wouldn’t surprise me if the NoPD overreached though either. So we’re full circle and the bottom line is, you’ve gotta be prepared to take care of yourself against pretty much all comers. One case of ammo for each gun probably isn’t enough.

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