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It is that time of the week again.  It is time for my totally off-key open thread.  I will throw out a couple of topics just to skid the grease (a weak pun):

Larry NOT GAY Craig

So we have Larry “I’m not gay” Craig who was pretty much forced to step down by the rank and file Republican caucus because he became a black eye on the Republican Party.

Common quotes (and I will graciously paraphrase) went something like this:

“He needs to resign for the sake of the Party”

“His act was a disgrace and badly reflects on the [Senate] [Party]”

“He is guilty of a crime, and needs to step down”

“He pled guilty to a crime and should resign”

Virtually everyone insists that they aren’t against Larry Craig because he is (OR IS NOT) gay.

Now you all know me — not one to shy away from pointing out some kind of double standard…

THE DIAPERMAN

 What about David “The Diaperman” Vitter, (R-LA)? 

Wasn’t he recently discovered to be involved in paying for prostitutes, not to mention some pretty kinky (and more than a litttle “eeewwww!) activities?

Is there a little double standard going on, or is there something else preventing the Jetison of Mr Huggies?

Some are saying that while Vitter’s “sin” was basically heterosexual — and therefore within the Party handbook, while Craig violated the unwritten law that says you can be gay but don’t act upon it.

Sounds a little too simplistic to be true,  but there may be a tiny few who think that way.

Others are saying that since Craig is coming from a predominately Republican state (probably the MOST Republican state), with a Republican governor, there is nothing lost by removing him from office and plugging another Republican Senator in there.

But in David Vitter’s case, he comes from a predominately Democratic state with a Democratic governor, and she is likely to appoint a Democrat to his seat if he were forced to resign.  That would mean the Republicans would lose a valuable vote in the Senate.

I am going (mostly) with the second reason.  I am sure that Republicans would love to get rid of Vitter if they didn’t worry about losing a vote.

For the record, and since I am sure someone here is going to bring up the name Kennedy or Barney Franks:

As a American, I feel

  • If you violate the law, you should either resign or be forced out of office — regardless of your Party affiliation;
  • If you are caught in a lie – you should be removed from office;
  • If you are caught in immoral behavior — (say it with me) removal from office 
  • If you promised one thing to get elected, and you vote something else, — the voters deserve a recall.

Anyways, that is a topic I threw out there.  You are free to kvetch about anything you wish.

92 Responses to “DJ’s Totally Off-key, Open Thread #4”
  1. Unregistered Comment by Azygos

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    #1 Agree
    #2 Agree
    #3 Who defines this?
    #4 Agree

  2. LC Scott Comment by LC Scott

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    Allyn who really cares what two consenting adults do in their bedroom.

    Craig is a funking moron at best and an incompetent idiot at worst

    Vitter who?

    I really could about him too.

  3. Unregistered Comment by Chairborne Ranger

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    Vitter is senator from Louisiana. While what two people do together is their business, if you campaign on family values and get caught screwing a hooker, you should resign. (Holy… I’m agreeing with DJ :em41: ) Anyway, the same thing should apply for committing a crime *cough* including lying under oath *cough*. It is sad that Vitter is getting support until Blanco (the governor, who also announced she isn’t seeking reelection) is out and a republican is elected. You’re right DJ, there is a double standard. Republicans only back some of the lairs and criminals in its ranks.

  4. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    As a American, I feel

    * If you violate the law, you should either resign or be forced out of office — regardless of your Party affiliation;
    * If you are caught in a lie – you should be removed from office;
    * If you are caught in immoral behavior — (say it with me) removal from office
    * If you promised one thing to get elected, and you vote something else, — the voters deserve a recall.

    I’ll back those standards to the hilt. It probably means all 535 of our current congrassholes should be shit canned (a notion I also back.)

  5. Redeard Comment by Redeard

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    I agree with Azygos, but with 1 it depends on the severity. Should a speeding ticket be enough for removal? Now if you are going say 50mph in a residential area or if you try to use your position to get out of the ticket, adios.
    2 would depend on who you were lying to or about. Did you click on those links that BC put up the other day? Who is going to freely admit that? But saying you didn’t vote yourself a pay raise, while technically being correct, is a lie in my book. If you didn’t vote against it, the way things work, it was a vote for it.
    You get the idea.

  6. BobF Comment by BobF

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    From what I understand, Vitter’s infidelities happened back in 2002 or earlier. His wife had found out about it and the two of them worked things out. It was a private personal family matter until the media found out about it. How many years in a man’s past do we go back before we can overlook what he’s repented of?

  7. jdog43 Comment by jdog43

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    Ball-less GOP. Why can’t they just brazen it out like the democrats? Ask Teddy, he knows how to do it.

    The reason the GOP is going down the tubes is because they have neither spine nor stomach for a fight. Let they just go whining back to the country club they came from.

  8. asm826 Comment by asm826

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    Back a few years, when Mr. Clinton was running, he trotted out “I didn’t inhale.” I didn’t care if he had smoked pot twenty years before. But I damn sure didn’t like being lied to about it. I was always hoping we hear from one of his old roommates….”BILL! BILL “BOGART” CLINTON?? Not inhale? When he sucked on the bong we used to open the window just to try and control the pressure differential.”

    Later we had “I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky.” More lie, blundering stupid lie, at that.

    Well, now we have Mr. Craig, trotting out “I’m not gay and anyway nothing happened, I did nothing wrong.”
    Same complaint from me. Once you are busted, don’t lie to the press. If you’re touching shoes with the guy in the next stall, waving your hand under the stall wall, you are not in there to take care the normal business.
    Never, not once in my life have I touched shoes with the person in an adjoining stall. Have any of you? Besides the ones of you who were trying to solicit an anonymous sex with a stranger of the same gender.

    So, Mr. Craig is gay, and he like it raunchy and risky. Ho hum. Mr. Craig wants to stand up in front of the cameras and lie about it. PROBLEM. The same problem I had with Mr. Clinton. He’s assuming I’m so stupid I believe his lies.

  9. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    If he not gay, and was set up by a dishonest vice cop, he should have fought it in court.

    If he really was gay, and was guilty of what he was charged with, he should have pled guilty, and not tried to lie about it afterwards.

    As usual, the problem here is with lying.

    That being said, I am sorry to see him go. Watching the Dems trying to deal with a gay conservative gun-nut would have been comedy gold.

  10. Unregistered Comment by Admiral of the Imperial Seventh Fleet

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    the difference, as Chairborne Ranger said, is that the republicans only back some of the criminals. The dems always back them, ALWAYS, and I have yet to see deviant behavior that the dems shy from.

    For fucks sake, most of the ACLU is left (I am sure they have a closet conservative somewhere in their ranks) and they defend NAMBLA…….and as far as I am concerned, First Amendment notwithstanding and all, defending those useless child raping fucknuggets is the same as shitting on the flag….both should earn you a beating of historic proportions.

    oh wow….I just noticed the thingy in the bottom to preview my comment…..that’s cool….I type in one place and it appears in another….

  11. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    #3 Who defines this?

    That’s a good question, because it varies from person to person, state to state.

    I was thinking of behavior that is so over the top that virtually everyone could easily identify it as such.

    I will have to do some more thinking on that…

    Allyn who really cares what two consenting adults do in their bedroom.

    I could care less what they do in their bedroom and out of the public eye. If they want to dress up like rubberized farm animals, it is none of my business.

    But neither of these two cases are about something two people do in their bedroom.

    Larry Craig was looking for anonymous sex in a public bathroom where you and your young sons go to relieve yourself.

    David Vitter was paying prostitutes for sex.

    What do both of these two have in common? Both are illegal.

    I could care less if Larry Craig is gay or that he seeks anonymous sex from strangers. I do have a problem when it is done out in public, in a place that is supposed to be safe for young children to go.

    I have a double problem with Larry Craig because he is an obvious hypocrite and a liar as well. I might have a little doubt if this hadn’t been his first time at being accused of something like this. But apparently there have been seven different times in his life where he has been associated with being gay or involved in some kind of gay activities. One of those times involved under-aged boys, and while he was never actually accused by name, he felt the “need” to publicly deny it — which I find a bit odd.

    From what I understand, Vitter’s infidelities happened back in 2002 or earlier.

    I don’t care about whether they were “infidelities” or not. That is something between you and your spouse, and if the two of you are okay with it, then party on. But if you campaigned on “family values”, you’ve committed a fraud against the voters and you need to go.

    But this was prostitution — a crime in all but a couple of jurisdictions. It is because of the crime aspect that I have a problem with it.

    Personally, I think that prostitution should be legal and licensed. But it is not, and therefore a crime. Do we get to pick and choose what crimes we are going to obey and which we are going to break?

    I agree with Azygos, but with 1 it depends on the severity. Should a speeding ticket be enough for removal?

    Speeding is not a crime, Redeard, it is an infraction. Trying to buy your way out of a ticket is a crime.

    As far as using “severity” as a guideline, a crime is a crime is a crime. A good test of severity is if the charge carries a possible jail sentence, then that is a crime.

    Fasten your seatbelts, and get ready for your Kennedy routine:

    A DUI is a crime.

    Driving 50mph in a 25mph zone is only an infraction.

    Doing so while drunk is a crime.

    Killing someone while drunk and driving away is two more crimes.

    Any one of the three should be enough to remove you from office.

    But saying you didn’t vote yourself a pay raise, while technically being correct, is a lie in my book. If you didn’t vote against it, the way things work, it was a vote for it.

    Are you talking about abstaining from voting? I can’t call that a “lie”, any more than someone could accuse me of Bush being in office because me and millions of other people chose not to vote.

    But if you come out as an elected official and said one thing in front of the cameras, and did another thing in the course of your job, then that is a lie.

    Now there can be acceptions to that, anyone is allowed to change their mind or opinion on something. But as an elected official, they need to make it known that they have changed their mind or opinion and give honest reasons as to why.

    Don’t lie about the reasons. If a lobbyist gave your campaign $10,000 to vote in his favor, you don’t tell the public that this is going to bring jobs to your district. Tell them a lobbyist gave you 10 grand for your vote.

    (see how that kills two birds with one stone? It keeps your Congresscritter from having to lie, and it makes a lobbyist contribution look like bag money)

    For too long we have had this tendency to place our elected officials on some sort of pedistal. We treat our politicians as if they are players on a sports team. My team, your team.

    We need to start looking at these people for what they are: our employees. We hire them, we pay them. They work for us, not the other way around.

    We aren’t going to tolerate our employee to lie, cheat, or steal from us in our business, so why should we allow it in our government?

  12. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    You’ll get no argument from me on this one.

    Vitter is a freak, so is Craig.

    What; it’s a requirement now that to be a high ranking elected offical you have to be a little freaky?

    Did someone pass a law when I wasn’t looking?

    “You have to be a freak to be elected to congress or the white house, normallacy no longer qualifies one to serve.” :em98: :em41: :em38:

  13. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    * If you violate the law, you should either resign or be forced out of office — regardless of your Party affiliation;
    * If you are caught in a lie – you should be removed from office;
    * If you are caught in immoral behavior — (say it with me) removal from office
    * If you promised one thing to get elected, and you vote something else, — the voters deserve a recall.

    And yet, most of the democrats think that Bill Clinton walks/ed on water. He fulfilled three out of the four.

    Re: the party of “tolerance,” I didn’t catch whether any democrats supported Craig. After all, it’s just about sex, isn’t it? They should be the ones fighting to keep him in office, especially if he’s gay…

  14. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Teddy “Captain Oldsmobile” Kennedy: Fucking a young aide, getting drunk and driving her off a bridge and walking away, leaving her alone & submerged to die. (If she wasn’t already dead before Teddy turned the car into a submarine.) Took almost 24 hours to report the accident murder to the local bought-and-paid-for cops. What do the “Progressives” do about it? They keep re-electing him to the Senate for another four decades.

    Barney “Pickle Puffer” Franks: His live-in cock-jockey is caught running a gay prostitution ring out of the house that Beef ‘n’ Franks owns in DC. It’s impossible for sentient beings to argue that the Cockgobbler Congresscritter didn’t know about the happenings in his own house, since the customers were “cumming & going” at all hours of the day & night. What do the “Progressives” do about it? They continue re-electing him to Congress for years on end.

    William “Cold Cash” Jefferson: Gets caught on video taking hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes, commandeers National Guard vehicles to rescue his bribes and other incriminating evidence, while those National Guard vehicles could have been rescuing Hurricane Katrina victims looters in NOLA’s. What do “Progressives” do? They re-elect him and never ONCE call for his resignation.

    Dave? Do I sense a bit of Doubly Good Double Standards®?

    Naaaaaaah. Couldn’t be.

    *NOTE— The list of “Progressive” criminals goes on and on and on and on… They’re like The Energizer Bunnies® of the Culture of Corruption™.

    :em99:

  15. James, Imperial Mercenary Comment by James, Imperial Mercenary

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    As a American, I feel

    • DJ is insane
    • I’m tired of hearing about this
    • Misha should fisk each of DJs posts
    • The French suck
  16. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    *NOTE— The list of “Progressive” criminals goes on and on and on and on… They’re like The Energizer Bunnies® of the Culture of Corruption™.

    That’s an intersting thought..is there somewhere that tallies up the totals for “each side” Who’s been naughty and nice?

    Ya hear an awfull lot of back slapping in D.C. and “this man is /was the greatest, this man is/was the best for his people, this woman is/was the, awards for this, awards for that …HURL :em38:

    Ever wonder why there isnt a hall of fame for Politicians? LOL

    None of em would ever make it….that’s why. :em99:

    And thats truly sad when half the professional sports rackets in this country are nothing but thugs gansters and hoodlums in pin stripes, and even THEY manage to stay clean enough to make it to thier respective hall of fames…..BAH a pox on all of em! :em96:

  17. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    Gee, I guess I must have missed the intimate details of Sen. Vitter’s alleged “scandal;” the only thing I’d heard of it was that Vitter’s name had turned up in the “little black book” of a Washington madam notorious for catering to D.C.’s elites. And, so what? At least Vitter wasn’t looking for love in public bathrooms. (Funny how it’s only the Republicans whose names get leaked in these situations, isn’t it?)

    There’s a little thing called discretion, you know? Gender, sexual orientation and political affiliation be damned: anyone who thinks a public bathroom is a good place for a tryst is a total skank. That’s why Craig deserves to go while Vitter deserves a pass.

    And never mind Craig’s protestations of innocence: he pled guilty, so it’s a moot point.

    Besides - speaking of double standards - now that Craig is gone, perhaps we can focus on the other, much more important, political scandal of the moment: the latest Democrat fundraising scandal.

    Craig’s conduct, after all, only corrupted himself.

  18. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    N. KOREA ‘TO DECLARE AND DISMANTLE’ NUCLEAR PROGRAM

    North Korea agreed in weekend talks with the United States to fully account for and disable its nuclear programs by the end of this year, negotiators said on Sunday.

    That’s the United States, PoleSmoker, you’re gonna have to give W’s administration some credit on this, after telling us what a great job that White Trash Commander in Chief you constantly defend did on NoKor.

    But it’s more fun to talk about moot “gay”issues isn’t it?!

    why don’t you use your ErrAmerica pulpit to demand “as an American” that that Louisianna congressfuck resign?

    And finally, don’t you have your own blog to post this dreck on?

  19. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Dave? Do I sense a bit of Doubly Good Double Standards®?

    I’m with BC on this one, Dave.  When you start making references to Kennedy, Franks, Studds, Jefferson, et. al, on every freaking thread on this blog like you’ve been doing about Craig, then you might have some credibility.  Maybe.

    Until then, what I said about you being a huge honkin’ vat of steaming political bullshit not only still stands - but is, in fact, reinforced.

  20. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    North Korea agreed in weekend talks with the United States to fully account for and disable its nuclear programs by the end of this year, negotiators said on Sunday.

    Hopefully this “W” administration uses a little more “trust but verify” wisdom with the Nork’s then Slick William did…

  21. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    I think if Republicans want to assume moral superiority, then before someone can attach an ‘R’ to his name, he should be put through a very thorough background check - like the one they put my neighbor’s son through when he wanted to work on a nuclear submarine. They came around and interviewed neighbors about his character, how long they had known him, what we knew about his family, and everything! I was impressed with that degree of screening.

    Shouldn’t the commander in chief of a nation be held to the same standards as the enlisted people who safeguard sensitive military information? The Republican party should insist on standards in the first place, and then enforce them by stripping people of their endorsement if they fail to uphold those standards (periodic maintenance checks run by party to assure quality control). What is so hard about being a simply decent person? How many of you here have ever solicited sex with strangers in public restrooms? Or taken bribe money? Or run prostitution rings out of your houses? I mean really - how hard can it be to just be a decent, honest human being?

  22. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I’m tired of hearing about the “gay” congressman from Idaho. If he were a “gay” congressman from…say…California, or Massachusetts this would not be an issue ‘tall. I just wonder where all of that vaunted tolerance is from the victimcrats, and their staunch defense of all things homosexual or transgendered…..hmmmm, guess it doesn’t apply to a Red State gay man.

    As for that asshole Craig propositioning people in a public restroom, here’s how I would have handled it:

    Act like I accepted his “proposition”, wait for him outside the stall…and when he opens the door I’d flatten him, and leave him laying there in all his senatorial dignity.

    case closed, settled with old fashioned Western Justice. no press or lawyers or self righteous politicians needed…..

  23. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    I think if Republicans want to assume moral superiority, then before someone can attach an ‘R’ to his name, he should be put through a very thorough background check

    Anyone running for office should be..Donk, Repub, don’t matter.

    Half these morons sitting in D.C right now would be out on thier asses if they had to pass even half the checks just to get a DOD clearance… got a bad debt, bounced a check 10 years ago, DUI, smoked a little weed, got caught with you pants down pissing in an alley…??

    All grounds for revocation of security clearance on grounds of “poor judgement, character, or in debetedness”

  24. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    I am going (mostly) with the second reason. I am sure that Republicans would love to get rid of Vitter if they didn’t worry about losing a vote.

    1) Well, yeah.
    2) I think the reaction against Craig is about the same as it was against Vitter. The only difference is Craig fell on the grenade and stepped down while Vitter didn’t. I guess that counts as a redeeming quality for Craig.

    At any rate, “the Republicans” can’t really pressure someone someone to resign, only the constituents can. Craig’s constituents are Idahoans. Vitter’s constituents elect the- not one of the, the- most corrupt governments in the Union at all levels, period end stop. I doubt Louisiana would have noticed anything if the story hadn’t made several rounds on CNN.

    (Inexhaustive list of Dems) by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

    Double-underlined boldfaced italics. The only reason Republicans are under observation is because they cull some of their scumbags, unlike the Democrats, who only cull conservatives. And even then, only present-tense conservatives (cough former KKK cough).

    All grounds for revocation of security clearance on grounds of “poor judgement, character, or in debetedness”

    Of course, that would go some ways toward explaining why the DOD has taken 4 years to produce an officer capable of commanding a counterterrorism operation.

  25. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w23/Ten-Ten_photos/888486789_d79ce26993_o.jpg

  26. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    In principle I agree with ya, Deej. Wow, what is that, the third time ever? Miracles do happen I guess.

    But until the demoncraps do some major housecleaning (as in something along the lines of deep-sixing every one of the arseholes currently in power and every one who’s held power in the last 40 years) AND abandon communism AND abandon the church of evolution and the church of glowball wormening and all the other churches of false science, I continue to hold my nose and support the lesser evil.

    RH

  27. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    And now for something completely different.

    It seems poor Yoko Ono doesn’t like hybrid cars.

    http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/ono%20blasts%20eco%20friendly%20cars_1042076

    Seems she prefers a little luxury. OK, she broke up the Beatles. At least she’s honest about being a Limousine Liberal. Sort of. :em95:

  28. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    James
    You gave your opinions as “a American”. Does that mean that anyone who disagrees with you is Unamerican?

  29. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    BC
    -Jefferson’s constituents liked him, but he was excoriated by the Democrats in Congresss and stripped of committee memberships
    ——–
    -I guess Abramoff is old hat, but feel free to mention the $2.4 million in bribes to Duke Cunningham.

    -Bob Nye’s corruption, -

    Ted Stevens is currently being investigated.

    I really don’t think it’s just the Democrats that have issues. These seem like legitimate cases and not just persecution.

  30. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Going through the posts, BC(#14, word for freaking word) said almost EXACTLY what I thought. Hell, I’ll neither condone nor condemn what Craig did. Whatever. HOWever, why is it it’s okay if you’re a dhim? Why the witch burning because he’s R? What should be right for them, etc. :em38:

  31. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Virtually everyone insists that they aren’t against Larry Craig because he is (OR IS NOT) gay.

    Nope - sorry, Dave - my GiveADamn’s bustid.

    My problem with Larry Craig is not which set of plumbing he prefers, but that he failed the most basic challenge. Keep it off the streets and don’t scare the horses.

    I don’t want the kids to be exposed to this crap, either M/M, M/F, F/F, Man/Chicken, whatever floats yer boat. Doin’ this in public is the issue.

    If that disappoints anyone that this eeeeeevvil Rethuglican HaliBushHitlerBurton death beast, well, my GiveADamn don’t cover that very well, either.

  32. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Wil
    That seems eminently sensible to me.

    Also, gay or not, it bothers me that he would be stepping out when he has a family and also kind of hypocritical for a family values proponent.

    They quickly pulled the video of him endorsing Romney.

  33. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Of course, that would go some ways toward explaining why the DOD has taken 4 years to produce an officer capable of commanding a counterterrorism operation.

    That’s because those officers have been dismissed.

    An officer has to be able to have a security clearance regardless of occupation (even medical and chaplains, and I’m not sure if interim secret is acceptable). If that can’t be done, it’s considered “conduct unbecoming of an officer”, which is grounds for dismissal.

  34. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Wasn’t he recently discovered to be involved in paying for prostitutes, not to mention some pretty kinky (and more than a litttle “eeewwww!) activities?

    I dunno, was it in Airport Restrooms, or in a Hotel room? Out of the public eye, see above.

    Bad taste, yes. Probably an unlawful act in Louisiana, and I know it is in DC, Maryland and Virginia. But personally care? No.

  35. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Re: the party of “tolerance,” I didn’t catch whether any democrats supported Craig. After all, it’s just about sex, isn’t it? They should be the ones fighting to keep him in office, especially if he’s gay…

    Actually, Barney Franks said he shouldn’t resign. Obviously, Vitter is remaining awful quiet on it for being a Republican.

    And yet, most of the democrats think that Bill Clinton walks/ed on water. He fulfilled three out of the four.

    I know it is a technicality, but Clinton has never been convicted of a crime. But he did lie, so under my rules, he would have to go.

    Earth to B.C., Imperial Torturer™ @ #14:

    Perhaps you missed it when I said that under my proposed rules, ALL of them would go?

    BTW: You missed Patrick Kennedy also.

    Under MY rules, William “Cold Cash” Jefferson would be on the first boat back to the swamp to await his ticket to the FBOP.

    *NOTE— The list of “Progressive” criminals goes on and on and on and on… They’re like The Energizer Bunnies® of the Culture of Corruption™.

    Criminy, BC, the list for Conservative criminals is just as long.

    DJ is insane

    Ah, but it is better than being a vegetable like you.

    I’m tired of hearing about this

    But I am sure you never grow tired of hearing or talking about Bill Clinton’s penis.

    Misha should fisk each of DJs posts

    Why, aren’t you good enough to do it on your own?

    The French suck

    Hmmm, thanks for playing “Non sequiturs for Beginners”

    That’s an intersting thought..is there somewhere that tallies up the totals for “each side” Who’s been naughty and nice?

    This is where the sports team analogy comes in from my earlier comment. It is like we have the Red Team and the Blue Team when it comes to our elected officials. A team “scores” when the other team gets a negative hit.

    I am thinking that the “score” is just about even, which should be disturbing enough.

    And, so what? At least Vitter wasn’t looking for love in public bathrooms.

    Ah, Wes, that is justification. “At least it isn’t as bad as…”

    He committed a crime. Soliciting prostitution is a crime, whether you believe it should be or not. How can you expect anyone who takes an oath to uphold the laws and the Constitution to uphold that oath if he or she commits a crime?

    Isn’t this what you people have been harping about all along with Bill Clinton?

    Now I come to the conclusion that maybe it is time we start holding ALL of our elected officials accountable, and I hear some people want certain exceptions.

    I am thinking that if we are ever going to take back our government (forget political differences — there really aren’t any in the Beltway) we need to start demanding TRUE ethics from our elected officials employees. There isn’t much we can do about water under the bridge, but we can certainly start at any point onward, can’t we?

    Shitcan the ones who cannot pass a minimum standards test (a background check, if you will) starting with the next election cycle. I might consider letting current ones who are out of compliance to serve out their terms, but that would take an awful lot of convincing.

    I am pretty sure my rules would have to be a new Amendment to the Constitution, since I don’t think what I am proposing is currently constitutional. But hey, it doesn’t hurt to propose something like this at the grass roots level. I know people are tired of the crap that happens in Washington, and would probably welcome some sort of standards.

    That’s the United States, PoleSmoker, you’re gonna have to give W’s administration some credit on this, after telling us what a great job that White Trash Commander in Chief you constantly defend did on NoKor.

    First, I think the only pole around here is up your ass right now, because you are acting like a fucking lollipop. If I wanted any lip from you I would rattle my zipper.

    [See? I could be an asshole too, if I wanted to be.]

    But it’s more fun to talk about moot “gay”issues isn’t it?!

    Ah, you are considering this a “gay issue”, which is a tell for what the attitude of quite a few on the Right and how they view this. (not all — just a few) They forgive Vitter because “at least his act was heterosexual” but will come down hard on Craig because his act was “gay”.

    If Craig had been caught having sex with a female hooker in the back of his car in the Wal-Mart parking lot at 7PM, he probably would be given a pass just like Vitter. “At least he wasn’t gay“. I suspect you fall into this camp.

    But on the contrary, Christopher, I think I was pretty clear that I didn’t consider this a “gay” issue. Some might, but I don’t.

    why don’t you use your ErrAmerica pulpit to demand “as an American” that that Louisianna congressfuck resign?

    a) Because I am the producer, not the host;
    b) We actually have said on numerous occasions that William Jefferson should step down. In fact, I am unaware of any other ‘ErrAmerica” show that advocates Jefferson keeping his position.

    Of course, you wouldn’t know any of that because you never listen. You just sit there and either make assumptions or listen to someone else making assumptions about what might have been said on AAR.

    And finally, don’t you have your own blog to post this dreck on?

    I think I did already. But I thought I would post it here as well, because I enjoy honest discussions, and every now and then some disrespectful clown speaking from his arse.

    See, here is the thing, Christopher, I don’t make it a habit to call someone out of their name, nor go out of my way to try and disrespect someone like you’ve done here. Usually, I tend to ignore the stupid shit, because it comes from a small mind.

    Most people here are respectful, even if they don’t agree with me, and they have to admit that I am just as respectful back at them.

    I don’t have a problem with people who disagree with me - in fact, I am more interested in those people because I want to know why. Perhaps I am missing something. Perhaps. But I am certainly not going to get that from a series of sophomoric statements from a person who has no intention of carrying on a discussion of any kind.

    /end of Christopher rant

    Hopefully this “W” administration uses a little more “trust but verify” wisdom with the Nork’s then Slick William did…

    OMG! Stop it! We are talking about this administraion, right? This is the same gang who couldn’t keep track of billions of dollars in cash in Iraq.

    This is more like the gang that can’t shoot straight.

    All grounds for revocation of security clearance on grounds of “poor judgement, character, or in debetedness”

    I have no problem with that. Make these people pass regular background checks to enter and remain in office. Most of these people would have a hard time passing the pre-employment test at Home Depot or Cosco.

  36. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    DJ, damn you show a lot of sense a lot of the time!

    Perhaps you missed it when I said that under my proposed rules, ALL of them would go?
    As a American, I feel

    If you violate the law, you should either resign or be forced out of office — regardless of your Party affiliation;
    If you are caught in a lie – you should be removed from office;
    If you are caught in immoral behavior — (say it with me) removal from office
    If you promised one thing to get elected, and you vote something else, — the voters deserve a recall.

    DAMN! That was GOOD!

  37. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane

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    Can we PLEASE leave this disgusting topic where it belongs? In the trash heap.

  38. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    He committed a crime. Soliciting prostitution is a crime, whether you believe it should be or not.

    So is perjury and suborning perjury (Clinton). And I would think that running a prostitution ring out of one’s apartment would classify as a crime, as well.

    We should just gut the whole group and start over. I bet our founding fathers would be appalled at what congress has become.

  39. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DJ, damn you show a lot of sense a lot of the time!

    Are you sure you didn’t mean “a lack of sense”? :em99:

    I should have added somewhere in all of this that an elected official should be considered to be “under oath” when ever they talk in their capacity of their position.

    If there is something that they can’t talk about, then fine, don’t talk about it. But if you are talking about it in front of the camera or on the floor of the chamber, or whereever the fuck you are, then you are under oath — no lying.

    We should just gut the whole group and start over. I bet our founding fathers would be appalled at what congress has become.

    I thnk I said that above.

    So is perjury and suborning perjury

    It is, isn’t it? Any reason why I. Scooter Libby isn’t serving time right now? Oh yeah, he shoulda been pardoned.

    So what is the difference between Scooter and Clinton?

    Scooter was convicted. Four counts.

    But that is picking nits, I know. The fact is, Clinton lied, and like I said earlier, under my rules, he should have been outta there.

    But my rules weren’t there, so he got to legally stay.

    But there is no time like the present to enact the new rules going forward, is there?

  40. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Edwards’ “nanny state”:

    Edwards backs mandatory preventive care

    Here’s the link:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070902/ap_on_el_pr/edwards_2

  41. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    I thnk I said that above.

    Very likely.

  42. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Edwards backs mandatory preventive care

    Oy vey.

    While the idea of preventive care looks great on paper because it potentially keeps health care costs down, in real life it isn’t feasible.

    People aren’t under extended warranties that require oil changes every 3,000 miles. There is a reason why a lot of people don’t go in for a checkup even if they could afford it: They feel good, or they don’t wanna know.

    Some people don’t even think of a doctor until they get very sick. Others, can’t get a sniffle without showing up at the doctor’s office.

    No, mandatory preventive care will never sell.

    Besides, what are you going to do if someone refuses to go in, arrest them?

    This is just the typical campaign trial balloon floated out there. Someone else will come out with another unlikely proposal soon to counter this one, just wait and see.

  43. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    random quote–thought you guys might enjoy this:

    “These bullet holes are where my compassion used to be”
    -NIN

  44. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    I don’t know if someone has already said this, but what’s with the Answers.com plugin?? What, do you think that we r stooooopid, dj? :em41:

  45. Unregistered Comment by GUYK

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    Gay or not gay is not the question..stupid enough to get caught is the answer.

    The fact that he was stupid enough to get caught is enough to tell me he is too stupid to be a senator.

    And about “if you are caught in immoral behavior — (say it with me) removal from office”? Works for me. When do we start the impeachments and recalls..this should get us a whole new government judges and all.

  46. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ sez:

    No, mandatory preventive care will never sell.

    Besides, what are you going to do if someone refuses to go in, arrest them?

    Ja, und zen ve vill zentenze them to reqvired zessions mit our health care spezialiazzzzt.

    Alles Gut Mein Hildabeast!!!

  47. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    I had a great day today. It started with some hints a friend suggested:

    1. Create a new file folder on your computer.
    2. Name it ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton’.
    3. Drag it to the recycle bin.
    4. Empty the recycle bin.
    5. Your PC will ask you, ‘Do you really want to get rid of ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton?’
    6. Firmly Click ‘Yes.’
    7. Feel better instantly.
    Next week, we’ll do Nancy Pelosi.

  48. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PsycoChick:

    Also, gay or not, it bothers me that he would be stepping out when he has a family and also kind of hypocritical for a family values proponent.

    That too. Craig (and reportedly Vitter) violated the oath to their wives, in addition to the sheer aggravated dumbass aspect.

    Actually, if I were to politically support either of them for some strange reason, I would be more likely to support Craig. He is on the right side of the most important political issue, to me. It’s purely a shame.

  49. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    Cheapshot,

    I had a great day today. It started with some hints a friend suggested:

    1. Create a new file folder on your computer.
    2. Name it ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton’.
    3. Drag it to the recycle bin.
    4. Empty the recycle bin.
    5. Your PC will ask you, ‘Do you really want to get rid of ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton?’
    6. Firmly Click ‘Yes.’
    7. Feel better instantly.
    Next week, we’ll do Nancy Pelosi.

    Bwahahahahahahahaha!!! Cheap, you’re a riot. When do you plan to do Reid?

  50. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    1. Create a new file folder on your computer.
    2. Name it ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton’.
    3. Drag it to the recycle bin.
    4. Empty the recycle bin.
    5. Your PC will ask you, ‘Do you really want to get rid of ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton?’
    6. Firmly Click ‘Yes.’
    7. Feel better instantly.
    Next week, we’ll do Nancy Pelosi.

    :em99: :em99: :em99: BRILLIANT!
    but now i gotta clean all this shit off of my monitor. :em41:

  51. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I don’t know if someone has already said this, but what’s with the Answers.com plugin?? What, do you think that we r stooooopid, dj?

    Is this a rhetorical question? (just kidding)

    Actually, I was playing with it here because there is a lot of information you can quickly get without ever leaving the page.

    Besides, double-click on this word: Hildabeast

    Now tell me, isn’t that fun?

    Cheapshot:

    That has been around since the day George W. Bush entered office.

    Speaking of fun, (and I know a lot of you have the sense of humor to appreciate it) I give you this:

    (Oh c’mon, it is funny!)

  52. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    About that Edwards thing…

    The plan would include mental health care

    So, you are going to require that all citizens have routine psychological evaluations? So, what happens if my doctor thinks I need some “observation”, and I disagree?

    Are you going to “involuntarily commit” me to a mental hospital?

    Just think, this IS a question on the 4473, folks. And a “yes” answer disqualifies you…

  53. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    BRILLIANT!
    but now i gotta clean all this shit off of my monitor.

    Uh, Merc, Which way were you pointing when you read that? :em99: :em99:

  54. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Deej

    I think that that did not do as you had intended?

  55. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Next time some scandal comes out about a Democrat politician, Dave, will you dedicate an “open thread” about that is well?

    Too bad this Senator could not have just announced his defection to an “Independent” status…then I guess all would have been “forgiven” by you and the hedonistic, anything goes, left leaning Press Corp?

  56. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Bottom Line BJ…

    GOP tosses out their pervert(aka: Faggots)

    Democrats give them chairmanships and re-elects those that screw underage 17 year old male pages, or run whore houses out of their townhouses.

    b-t-w How’s That Bone Packer Gary “Studds” these days……? Damn almost forgot, that little non gay virus AIDS….

    hOOt

  57. Unregistered Comment by Admiral of the Imperial Seventh Fleet

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    damn…I go to my sons bday party aand this thread explodes.
    I just have one thing to say:

    How many of you here have ever solicited sex with strangers in public restrooms? Or taken bribe money? Or run prostitution rings out of your houses?

    I bribe bathroom attendants to run prostitution rings out of the restrooms in upscale hotels while having sex with strangers….I mean the attendants have the sex with strangers, not me….as I am a fine upstanding decent conservative businessman.

  58. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Besides, what are you going to do if someone refuses to go in, arrest them?

    I suppose it’s a possibility, DJ. IIRC, one of Hillary’s ideas for nationalized health care was jail time and a fine for BOTH doctor and patient if patient went outside the government-appointed doctor without prior approval.

    I hope you’re right about it not selling.

  59. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Um…a good bit of my screen is black with white boxes. I can’t read 55, 56, or 57 cause they are all black. Is that my computer?

  60. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Deej!!! You broke the comments! :em95:

  61. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Admiral
    Hope it was a fun party. I posted to you earlier and lost it and wasn’t going to bother with a repost, but since here you are, here goes.

    Free speech is kind of dicey–the popular kind doesn’t need any protections–it’s the odious and repulsive that need the protections. I do think NAMBLA is evil, but the ACLU did not defend their right to molest children, they defended their right to speak. Ages ago, they defended the right of Nazis to march in Skokie (and strangely enough, lost a lot of Jewish members).

    There are other cases that are not liberal. They defended Oliver North. And last year they defended the right of a horrible fundamentalist church to protest at military funerals in Missouri (I would have agreed with the ban). For some reason, the Westboro Baptist Church blames our troop losses on the presence of gays and lesbians in the US.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/22/AR2006072200643.html

    It’s still odious, but it’s as far from liberal as you can get.

    The Westboro site is http://www.godhatesfags.com, if anyone is morbidly curious (perfect for hOOT)

    In addition to America, God hates Sweden and Canada, too. Who can understand the ways of the divine?

  62. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Next time some scandal comes out about a Democrat politician, Dave, will you dedicate an “open thread” about that is well?

    Sure. Given the law of averages, I am sure one is about ready to burst out in T-minus 29..28..27..

    Haven’t you noticed that I have been saying ANYONE caught with their ass out should be assed out?

    I have had it with ALL of these politicians — LEFT, RIGHT, CENTER — pulling this shit and expecting to slide because they are “law makers” or “leaders” of our nation.

    Horse pussy. These people are our employees, and we hired them to represent our district or our state, or our country in Washington, DC.

    If anything, they should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, not raise the bar on the crap they try to get away with.

    This isn’t a Republican/Democrat, Left/Right issue. It is a right and wrong issue and it effects everyone all across the political spectrum.

    As Howard Beale said in the movie Network:

    “I’M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!”

    I don’t care if Larry Craig is gay. He has obviously been lying about it for years. The issue is the crime he committed.

    I don’t care if David Vitter likes to shit his diapers and have women change him. If he is going to use prostitutes, make sure you are in a jurisdiction where it is legal.

    Additionally, since both of these clowns ran on a party platform of “family values” and they violated that platform, then they lied to their constituency to get elected — and should go.

    GOP tosses out their pervert(aka: Faggots)

    Obviously, you are from the Deliverance wing of the Party, aren’t you?

    My oldest son is gay and he doesn’t talk about homosexuality as much as you do. You seem absolutely facinated by it.

    b-t-w How’s That Bone Packer Gary “Studds” these days……? Damn almost forgot, that little non gay virus AIDS….

    As usual, your tiny mind can’t even get the simplest facts straight.

    Gerry Studds retired from Congress in 1996 and died ten years later at the age of 69 of a blood clot in his lung.

    You know, there is an old saying:

    “It is better to have people think you are stupid than to open your mouth and prove it”

    I hope you’re right about it not selling.

    It won’t. This is still the beginning of the Primary season, and between now and the conventions, we are going to see the sky fill up with hundreds of different trial balloons from all of these candidates. Their intent is to break away from the “me too” crowd of contenders for the nomination and stake out their own territory. So we are going to see a lot of these things — some outlandish, some just downright insane. It happens every election at this time.

    I once had a book where someone had compiled hundreds of these trial balloons over all of the elections going back to Kennedy. Some of these proposals were extremely amusing, while some were downright scarey.

    Um…a good bit of my screen is black with white boxes. I can’t read 55, 56, or 57 cause they are all black. Is that my computer?

    Stupid FireFox’s new rendering protocol. Okay I will fix it…

  63. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Deej!!! You broke the comments!

    That’s me, a comment breaker. Just a step up from a home wrecker.

    Damn, and it was some good stuff from Bob Rivers of KZOK 102.5 FM here in Seattle.

    This Larry Craig thing has certainly given a lot of material to the comics. Here is another one:

    At least we know that when Craig finally leaves at the end of September, he can always find a job in show business. He obviously writes his own bits.

  64. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Well, Deej is right. There is a double standard at play here with Craig vs. Vitter, and I also agree that it’s pure politics that are to blame.

    Yes, I like Vitter’s politics but no, I’m not about to say that cheating on his wife with a whore is OK just because of that. Sure, he’s made up with her and good for them, really. I’m happy for their family that they’ve managed to put it behind them, but that doesn’t change what he did, nor does it change my second thoughts about him. After all, if that’s how his morals work, then I’m not sure that we need him where he is.

    If he can betray his family, then I don’t really want to find out how far he is willing to go when it comes to people that he has no personal relationship with, i.e. We The People.

    How many times have I said the same thing about Slick Willy, even leaving out the legal aspect of lying under oath? If he could betray his loved ones, then just how far could we trust him to lead the country?

    Why should a different standard apply to Vitter just because I happen to agree with most of his politics? It shouldn’t, and it doesn’t.

    If we really want politicians we can be proud of, then we need to start mucking out the pigsty from the bottom up. Kick the liars, philanderers, thieves, bribe-takers and assorted other worthless swine out, and keep kicking until they’re all pissing their pants with fear that they’ll be found out next.

    It goes for both sides of the aisle, but the one side I have any influence on is the one I’ll have to be working on. Pouting and mumbling “but the other side does it too, and does it worse” isn’t going to fix anything.

    Kick the incumbent pigs out.

  65. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Deej

    Damn, and it was some good stuff from Bob Rivers of KZOK 102.5 FM here in Seattle.

    They wouldn’t play for me, anyways.

    Any chance you can just post links to the particular pages they are on?

  66. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Okay, here are some YOU-TUBE videos of some funny Bob Rivers stuff:

  67. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Boss.

    Kick the liars, philanderers, thieves, bribe-takers and assorted other worthless swine out, and keep kicking until they’re all pissing their pants with fear that they’ll be found out next.

    Or just drop their sorry asses in Gen. Pop. They ought to be really popular there.

    Or treat them like the military does active duty personnel who violate the code of conduct. Kick the bastards out with no pension, and in extreme cases, with what is in effect a felony conviction. (dishonorable discharge)

    Or just redecorate the lampposts.

    I’m down with any of the above.

  68. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    PC,

    As far as I’m concerned with that stupid church group, they are nothing more than attention whores. I mean, let’s be frank, do they make these announcements that they are going to go to the funeral of the military dead to actually protest or for the publicity of them just saying that they’ll show up to disrupt things? I, in my opinion, and my opinion alone, doubt they’ve ever made good on their promises of showing up. They’re hoping to garner as much publicity as they can get from the reaction to those announcements. And, so far, these neanderthals have been able to get a lot of red hot pubilicity from the negative reaction to their announcements. Someone should just call them out and dare them to actually come to one of the funerals they claim they plan to come to and then just ignore them during it. Nothing is worst for an attention whore than to be ignored, and that is what that guy and his followers need to have happen to them. To be ignored, even by the media (something, I know is hard to do, the MSM being what it is.) When that happen, and if it happen constantly, they’ll eventually vanish into the ether, unnoticed.

  69. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    leoni
    As much as I wish you were right, they do picket funerals. I don’t know if they still do, but they used to picket gay funerals. They picketed Matthew Shephard’s funeral, and the web site used to have a picture of him and a running tab of how many days he had been in hell. This is about the military funerals from that WP article:

    “which has outraged mourning communities by picketing service members’ funerals with signs condemning homosexuality.”

    Could you imagine that? Burying your poor slain soldier and having to deal with that? Utterly revolting. I’m glad somebody blew up their “church” in 1995 (with no one inside).

  70. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Funny how you never hear that Fred Phelps is a friend of Al Gore.

  71. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Mrs. M
    That seems seriously odd to me. Do you know where you got the info from? If true, that would be very creepy.

  72. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    found it–dear lord, what is the world coming to. It’s not even a full moon tonight

  73. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    They had a falling-out:

    The entire Westboro congregation picketed a 1997 inaugural ball[41], denouncing Gore as a “famous fag pimp.”[42] In 1998, Westboro picketed the funeral of Gore’s father, screaming vulgarities at Gore and telling him, “your dad’s in Hell.”[42]

  74. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    PC,

    So, the ass and his dimwitted followers do, or rather, use to, picket funerals. Lousy asses. I really hope there’s a real nice place in the afterlife for them and their ilk, and I certainly do not mean the happy place either. More the case of, sniff, sniff, hey, rev, do ya smell something burning?

    I bet they would be the type to picket people who just want to flush their dead pet goldfish down the toilet. They certainly sound the type.

    Am I angry? Gee, how did you guess?

  75. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Funny how you never hear that Fred Phelps is a friend of Al Gore.

    WAS, Mrs. M. And not so much a friend but a fundraiser.

    Mother Jones had a story about it way back in 1999, that talked about Phelps and his one-way connection to the Democratic Party.

    Back during the early 80’s Gore himself was somewhat anti-gay. As time went on, he changed his tune somewhat, and when he did, Phelps turned on him.

    So THAT is why you never hear that Phelps is a friend of Al Gore. They aren’t, and haven’t been for about twenty years.

    Hey, but nice try.

  76. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    Phucker Phelps has no friends anymore, just a clan of inbred looney relatives

  77. Unregistered Comment by seagoon

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    Oh, and just so I’m clear- I believe very, very strongly in freedom of speech, and that he has the freedom to say what he believes, much as I loathe everything he stands for.

    However, I also believe in fighting words being a legitimate provocation for battery (not murder, but a good old fashioned whipping, as should be administered to such a disrespectful scoundrel.)

    Let him speak, then see how well he speaks through big, fat bloody lips.

    Repeat as necessary until he decides to exercise his right somewhere less controversial, like Antarctica.

  78. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Here are some Twisted Tunes from Bob Rivers of KZOK 102.5 FM in Seattle.

    For Alberto Gonzales:

    Go Go Gonzales

    For B.C., Imperial Torturer™
    Warning, put all liquids away from your monitor:

    Chlamydia

    For the Illegal Alien:

    Snuck Into America

    For Mark Foley:

    Sweet Young Asses

  79. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Poor Little BJ…your hero Gary “Studds”, died of AIDS….spin it all you want, the faggot assumed room temperature because of he choose to molest teen male pages and god knows what else?….no doubt rotting in Hell…..

    Hopefully Blarney Franks is next!

    Sweet :em95:

    hOOt

  80. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    As a good man once said: “Fuck ‘em all and feed ‘em fish heads.”

    I agree that they all need to be flushed out and the entire Whorehouse on the Potomac™ re-filled with vetted, upstanding individuals every four years. NO career politicians. EVER.

    BTW, Dave, it’s nice to see that you got the Loony Leftist talking points memo and “just happened to post this” well before the rest of the hypocritical assholes in the Dhimmicrap party went on the Sunday morning snooze shows.

    What’s quite funny is that the Dhimmis are screaming about “HYPROCRISY!™” when the Republicans are actually agreeing with them that Craig should go. Are the Dhimmis really THAT fuckin’ stupid that they can’t see the Moronical Ironicalness™ of that?
    :em99:

  81. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    PC and Leoni2

    Re: the funerals. IIRC, a group of former military members (I believe) go to the funerals, as well, and form a barrier between the family and Phelps’ group, so that the family doesn’t have to see those loony tunes, and to protect the family.

  82. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Skyechild

    a group of former military members (I believe) go to the funerals,

    I believe you are thinking of the Patriot Guard Riders…

  83. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    hOOt Phelps:

    Poor Little BJ…your hero Gary “Studds”, died of AIDS….spin it all you want, the faggot assumed room temperature because of he choose to molest teen male pages and god knows what else?….no doubt rotting in Hell…..

    No, Mr. Phelps, it is YOU doing the spin around here. There is not one news source, credible or even questionable, that lists the cause of his death as being AIDS-related.

    Of course, if you had stopped fingering your blowhole long enough to check Google to see if you were even remotely accurate, you would have known this.

    BTW, Dave, it’s nice to see that you got the Loony Leftist talking points memo and “just happened to post this” well before the rest of the hypocritical assholes in the Dhimmicrap party went on the Sunday morning snooze shows.

    Since you never listen to Progressive radio, you wouldn’t know that we have been talking about this for over a week now. If I beat the “liberal media” to the punch, it is only goes to show how far behind they are.

    A truly “liberal” media would have been all over ths story when it happened. It would have also picked up the story from the Boise press, who had been looking into the sexcapades of Larry Craig over the past thirty-five years, but were shut down at the last minute by the political machine in Idaho.

    But since you brought up this article, I have to comment on a statement I saw at first glance:

    Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., the Senate Republican campaign chairman, said Craig ‘admitted guilt. That is a big difference between being accused of something and actually admitting guilt.’

    ‘David Vitter never did that. Larry Craig did,’ Ensign said on ABC’s ‘This Week’ program.

    And the Sheeple will believe that, because the ‘hard-hitting press’ didn’t bother to point out that David Vitter held a fucking press conference and admitted to the allegations.

    What’s quite funny is that the Dhimmis are screaming about “HYPROCRISY!™” when the Republicans are actually agreeing with them that Craig should go. Are the Dhimmis really THAT fuckin’ stupid that they can’t see the Moronical Ironicalness™ of that?

    There are a lot of us on the Left who are saying that ALL of them should go. This is why I posted it here.

    Like I said earlier, this isn’t a Left/Right, Republican/Democrat thing. This goes to the framework of our system, our way of life.

    Does this mean you can accuse someone in another party of breaking the law or violating ethics in order to remove them from office? No, because there should at least be a shred of proof and facts, along with a swift hearing in front of peers to make a determination.

    I still like the idea of being able to pass, and retain a security clearance for all elected officials.

  84. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    The following is interesting:

    ‘Mysterious Stranger’ Bets $4.5 Billion Markets Will Crash by September 21st

  85. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Guido Cabrone

    Thanks. That was the group I was thinking of.

  86. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Re: the funerals. IIRC, a group of former military members (I believe) go to the funerals, as well, and form a barrier between the family and Phelps’ group, so that the family doesn’t have to see those loony tunes, and to protect the family.

    I’ve already given soldiers at my unit permission to beat those inbred morons up if they show up at my funeral.

  87. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    junior smokes pole, doesn’t he?

    has he ever lied to you about it?

  88. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    If I wanted any lip from you I would rattle my zipper.

    Obviously, you are from the Deliverance wing of the Party, aren’t you?

    :em99: Great lines I must say. I think I shall shamelessly steal them for thyself :em58:

  89. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    Skyechild,

    Re: the funerals. IIRC, a group of former military members (I believe) go to the funerals, as well, and form a barrier between the family and Phelps’ group, so that the family doesn’t have to see those loony tunes, and to protect the family.

    I’m glad to hear that, Skyechild. But I’d be happier if that group of parasites didn’t exist, period.

    BC,

    Wait, the Democrats are complaining because Craig was kicked out? Wasn’t that what they want, to see Republicans get removed when they break the law? What the matter, one less cover for their own crap? (And I am talking about the leadership, although there’s a few rank and file members I wouldn’t mind getting kick in the ass as well). Disgusting. I thought this was suppose to be the most moral Congress ever? Truth in advertising it is not!

  90. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    Yeah, I’d heard about that Mysterious Stranger, elsewhere at about the start of the past week. The bigger question I have is, is this guy an insider, or does he just realize that a crash is coming? I don’t know, and frankly I’m a bit afraid to find out.

  91. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Skyechild

    Thanks. That was the group I was thinking of.

    You are welcome. I work with three of them. What I found interesting was that one of the members I work with informed me that when his wife (also a member), wants to take time off from her job to cover a funeral, her employer gives her, (and the other PGR members she works with), paid time off to do it.

    No, I don’t know who she works for, but it seems that her supervisor is also a member, and has persuaded management to do this.

    Way. Cool.

    edited for bolding

  92. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    junior smokes pole, doesn’t he?

    has he ever lied to you about it?



    Create your own Air Freshener
    You kind of stink the place up, don’t you?

    “Junior” is 36 years old, and his sexual experiences and practices are something he keeps to himself, just as most everybody I know.

    Why are you suddenly so curious about the sexual habits of my son? If you are thinking of asking him for a date, you won’t get far — he has been in a committed relationship for almost fifteen years, and even if he wasn’t, it doesn’t sound like you have enough going for you to keep him from becoming very bored with you very fast.

    He suggests that you try out Craigslist. He says you sound like you can easily find someone of your caliber there pretty quick.

    Just stay out of the public restrooms.

    After the Larry Craig incident, it is time to review:

    Male Restroom Etiqquette

    Bathroom humor… you’ve got to love it. :em99: