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(Via LC & IB Bill Quick)

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif., Aug. 29 — Last December, when the Marine Corps charged four infantrymen with killing Iraqi civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in 2005, the allegation was as dark as it was devastating: after a roadside bomb had killed their buddy, a group of marines rampaged through nearby homes, massacring 24 innocent people.

In Iraq and in the United States, the killings were viewed as cold-blooded vengeance.

Correction: Among terrorists in Iraq and their sympathizers in the Fifth Column Media and the Dem Cong (yes, Jack Murthafucker, I’m talking about you, among others), the killings were viewed as cold-blooded vengeance.

The rest of us were crazy enough to await the results of the investigation prior to getting the rope, gallows and blindfolds ready.

After a perfunctory military investigation, Haditha was brushed aside, but once the details were disclosed, the killings became an ugly symbol of a difficult, demoralizing war.

Actually, as the details become disclosed, the Stalinesque Show Trial became an ugly symbol of a baying pack of hyenas eager to paint our troops as bloodthirsty, savage beasts and the child-murdering terrorists they fight as poor, oppressed, misunderstood little babies “fighting” to liberate “their” country. How Syrians, Iranians, Somalis and Saudis are supposed to liberate their home countries by blowing up bazaars in Baghdad is anybody’s guess, not to mention that we’d like to know who it is that they’re allegedly liberating Syria, Iran, Somalia and Saudi Arabia from.

After a fuller investigation, the Marines promised to punish the guilty.

Come on, you whining, backstabbing Quisling, name one investigation, just ONE, in which the Marines haven’t promised to punish the guilty if they found any. That’s sort of the whole idea behind investigations, military and otherwise, you know. Find out if somebody did something wrong and is hence guilty of something, then give them a fair trial and punish them if found guilty.

But that’s not good enough for the al-Jazeera on the Hudson, is it? Oh no, you’ll determine who’s guilty ahead of the investigation (with a little help from the likes of Jack “Arnold” Murthafucker), then sentence them and demand that the sentence be carried out yesterday in order for “justice” to be served.

But now, the prosecutions have faltered.

Translation: “Dammit. The prosecution has so far failed to convict based on dubious and often contradictory evidence from terrorists and their sympathizers, and now it looks like we in the Fifth Column won’t have the public hangings that we’ve been beating our shriveled meat in anticipation of ever since Murthafucker first howled for their heads.”

Since May, charges against two infantrymen and a Marine officer have been dismissed, and dismissal has been recommended for murder charges against a third infantryman.

You can hear him pulling open a drawer and reaching for his Kleenex at this point if you read carefully.

Yes, you numbfucked nutjob, that’s what often happens when an actual investigation proves that no evidence of wrongdoing is present. That thing called “justice” that you always moan and piss about when a serial murderer and rapist is dragged off to the gas chamber, except your moaning and pissing in those cases is caused by the actual application of it. Which, strangely enough, is the same complaint you have here. Justice is being served, and you just can’t fucking stand it.

Prosecutors were not able to prove even that the killings violated the American military code of justice.

Since it’s obvious that you were dropped on your head multiple times when you were hatching from the eggs spawned by your mother-thing, we’ll explain something to you that is obvious to most other sentient life forms: People die in wars. Really, I’m not kidding you. They actually, honest to G-d, DIE in wars and no, killing people isn’t automatically against the UCMJ. I know, it’s amazing isn’t it?

It sure blew my bloody mind when the concept was explained to me back during Boot many many moons ago. There I was, a wee little sprog unable to believe my own ears and then, ever so timidly, snapping to attention with a smart click of my heels and requesting permission to ask a question.

“Sar’ Major, does that mean that we won’t automatically get charged with a crime if we hurt somebody?”

“What the fuck are you, maggot, braindead? Do you think that we’ve issued you with all of those rifles, machineguns, grenade launchers, bayonets, grenades and Bob knows what else just so you’d have something to carry around on your shoulders?”, he gently replied as only he could. You’ll pardon him for his use of colloquialism and the occasional vulgarity, Mr. Journaljizzmer. You see, he hadn’t the benefit of an enlightened, nuanced education and a gaggle of wonderful friends from the progressive community, so he had to use the words he knew, but I digress.

To tell you the truth, some of us did labor under the impression that our weapons were mainly there to make our shoulders and other body parts ache under the load while marching all over the country as well as to give us something to do with our spare time, cleaning them up with Q-tips and toothpicks in the evenings, but he set us straight right there.

Whaddayaknow, they actually were designed to kill people and destroy stuff and, not only that, we were allowed to do so! Amazing, isn’t it? And now you know too, without ever having to leave your cocktail parties and go do something useful to your country.

Now their final attempt to get a murder conviction is set to begin, with a military court hearing on Thursday for Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, the last marine still facing that charge. He is accused of killing 18 Iraqis, including several women and children, after the attack on his convoy.

If the legal problems that have thwarted the prosecutors in other cases are repeated this time, there is a possibility that no marine will be convicted for what happened in Haditha.

Here, have another box of Kleenex. And for Christ’s sake, blow your widdle nose. Those strings of snot dangling from it are disgusting.

And it’s not called “legal problems.” It’s called “lack of actual evidence.”

Nor is it yet clear whether officers higher up the chain of command than Sergeant Wuterich will be held responsible for the inadequate initial investigation.

Also for lack of evidence. You’re obviously unaware of this, but in a civilized nation (that is to say, a nation not like the ones you idolize, such as Cuba, China, North Korea and the now defunct Soviet Union) evidence is generally required in order for somebody to be convicted. No, histrionic howl-fests by idiot journaljizzmers and buddy-fucking traitors like Jack Murthafucker do not count as evidence. Sorry about that.

At least one of the four Marine officers charged last December for failing to investigate the civilian deaths appears to be headed to court-martial. That officer, Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani, commander of Third Battalion, First Marines, “did not take personal action to fully investigate the actions leading to civilian deaths,” concluded Col. Christopher C. Conlin, the officer who examined the evidence.

And that may well be COL Conlin’s impression, but one officer’s opinion does not a trial make. You need a bit more than that, but let’s see.

But the case against Capt. Randy W. Stone, the battalion lawyer charged with failing to find out why so many civilians had been killed, was thrown out by Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis, whose decisions in the Haditha prosecutions are final. Charges against First Lt. Andrew A. Grayson, an intelligence officer, are in limbo because of his argument that the Marine Corps has discharged him.

Quit banging your sippy cup against your high chair. It’s as pathetic as it is annoying.

In a wide range of cases involving abuses by American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, prosecutions have tended to focus on enlisted men and noncommissioned officers — those accused of having personally committed the acts — not on officers who commanded the units.

It’s because it’s the proper way to do things. First you find out if anything untoward actually happened, which generally involves only those present at the scene and then, IF something happened, you investigate whether the officers had something to do with it or failed to try to prevent it. Wouldn’t make much sense to file charges against an officer for ordering his men to break the law or failing to prevent them from doing so if it turns out that nothing illegal happened in the first place, now would it?

Sheesh. How do you journaljizzmers manage to go through life like that? We mean, no logical faculties at all! It’s bloody amazing that you manage to remember breathing. Amazing and lamentable.

And while there have been numerous convictions, there have also been many cases in which plea arrangements allowed for lesser punishments, or in which charges were dropped or found not to be warranted.

Oh the HUMANITY! Cases involving military personnel often include plea bargains or even full dismissal for lack of evidence! What IS this country COMING to??? It’s almost as if those Murdering, Uniformed Death Beasts are being afforded the same rights as common criminals!!!1!!!ONE!!!

The sole officer to face criminal charges in the abuses of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, Iraq, was convicted Tuesday on only one minor charge and will be reprimanded, Reuters reported, quoting an Army announcement. The officer, Lt. Col. Steven L. Jordan, faced five years in prison and dismissal from the Army, but a court-martial decided on the milder penalty, the Army said.

The court-martial acquitted him of the charge of being responsible for cruel treatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib.

A crazy, out-on-a-limb guess from us, to be sure, but maybe it was because the court decided that he wasn’t directly responsible for some trisomal cow pointing and laughing at a bunch of Hajis’ peckers?

Experts on military law said the difficulty in prosecuting the marines for murder is understandable, given that action taken in combat is often given immunity under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

“One could view this as a case crumbling around the prosecutor’s feet, or one could see this as the unique U.C.M.J. system of justice in operation,” said Gary D. Solis, a former Marine judge who teaches the laws of war at Georgetown University Law Center and at West Point.

Or one could see it as a laughable case made up of trumped-up charges manufactured to please the Hearts and Minds Crowd™ demanding a human sacrifice, finally falling apart under the harsh, unrelenting light of the actual truth.

Prosecuting the Haditha case was especially difficult because the killings were not thoroughly investigated when they first occurred. Months later, when the details came to light, there were no bodies to examine, no Iraqi witnesses to testify, no damning forensic evidence.

Funny how a case was even made absent bodies, witnesses and forensic evidence, isn’t it? Of course, you’re full of shit, but that’s common for maggots like you. There was no end of witnesses who suddenly, after having not said a peep for months after the alleged “massacre”, started swarming out of the woodwork as the manufactured charges appeared. Also funny how the forensic evidence, and where there’s a dead body, there’s forensic evidence, was only available to the prosecution because the bodies had been interred and, according to local custom, you can’t exhume a dead body. Apparently it’s perfectly OK to convict people based on hearsay, however.

So yes, there were tons of evidence. The problem wasn’t the absence of evidence, the problem (for the prosecution) was that all of it turned out to be utter bullshit.

On the other hand, some scholars said the spate of dismissals has left them wondering what to think of the young enlisted marines who, illegally or not, clearly killed unarmed people in a combat zone.

“It certainly erodes that sense that what they did was wrong,” Elizabeth L. Hillman, a legal historian who teaches military law at Rutgers University School of Law at Camden, said of the outcomes so far. “When the story broke, it seemed like we understood what happened; there didn’t seem to be much doubt. But we didn’t know.”

It does, doesn’t it? Hey, here’s a wild-arsed suggestion: Maybe soldiers killing people in wars isn’t wrong? I know, quite the novel concept, but work with me here.

Walter B. Huffman, a former Army judge advocate general, said it was not uncommon in military criminal proceedings to see charges against troops involved in a single episode to fall away under closer examination of evidence, winnowing culpability to just one or two defendants.

When Sergeant Wuterich, the soft-spoken squad leader who faces the most extensive murder charges in the Haditha matter, walks into court here on Thursday, “all the prosecutorial attention is now going to center on him,” Mr. Solis said.

And they’ll be damned and determined to get a scalp, any scalp, evidence or absence of same be damned. And the Lame Stream Mediots will be cheering them on from the peanut gallery.

Sergeant Wuterich’s lawyers have an uphill legal fight. First, unlike the other marines who faced murder charges, Sergeant Wuterich is charged with the close-range killing of five unarmed men who were ordered out of a vehicle that rolled up near the scene.

And then refused to lay down, running away instead. You forgot that part. Predictably so. Here’s a hint to anybody else who might find themselves in a similar situation: When you find yourself in the middle of a firefight, it’s generally a good idea to do as the armed men in uniforms tell you to. So if they shout “lay down and don’t fucking move or we’ll shoot”, you lay down and, guess what, don’t move. You see, those uniformed men don’t know whether you’re a good guy or a bad guy, particularly not when the other side has a habit of completely disregarding every single article of the Geneva Conventions and refusing to identify themselves as combatants, preferring instead to hide behind women and children, and they’d rather not find you setting off an explosive behind them later.

Also, as a noncommissioned officer and the ranking member of the squad, Sergeant Wuterich may be used by prosecutors to argue that he had a greater responsibility to discern proper targets and avoid civilian casualties. He also led the attack against or was present in every house where civilians were killed.

An NCO leading the attack. What on Earth happened to this crazy planet on which we live?

But the earlier cases show that the defense has some opportunities, too.

The presiding officer, Lt. Col. Paul J. Ware, is the same Marine lawyer who conducted hearings for Justin L. Sharratt and Stephen B. Tatum, two other lance corporals accused of killing a total of five Iraqis in three homes in Haditha.

Colonel Ware later recommended dismissing the charges against those two men, and he has said the killings should be viewed in the context of combat against an enemy that ruthlessly employs civilians as cover.

How about that? SOMEBODY finally noticed. It’s bloody hard, not to say impossible, to discern legitimate targets from innocent passers-by when the combatants refuse to wear identifying uniforms and uses women and children as shields. Perhaps it’s time to hold the terrorists responsible? What a crazy, CRAZY idea.

He warned that murder charges against marines could harm the morale of troops still in Iraq.

And I’m willing to bet the farm that what he meant to say was that baseless murder charges would harm the morale. I don’t know a single Marine, airman, soldier or sailor who has a problem with charges against one of them if they’ve actually done something wrong. What’s demoralizing is being sent to do a dirty job and then, on top of the tiring business of avoiding being killed, having to worry about being charged with murder if you try to do said dirty job.

But hey, if it’s so fucking easy, according to the desk-riding, pencil-pushing JAG-offs and military “experts” in the MSM to identify proper targets in the heat of battle and altogether avoid collateral damage, then why don’t they fucking pick up a rifle and go show us how it’s done?

Huh? Where’d everybody go? Come BACK here, you cowards, it was just a fucking hypothetical! And for the sake of all that’s good and pure in this world, CHANGE YOUR FUCKING BRITCHES.

General Mattis’s statements expressing sympathy for the plight of other enlisted marines whom he cleared of wrongdoing in Haditha may indicate his willingness to see Sergeant Wuterich’s case in a similar light.

Regardless of what happened to charges against the other defendants, there is still great public pressure on the Marine Corps to investigate and punish any wrongdoing in a case in which so many civilians died.

“We can’t say those guys didn’t commit a crime,” said Michael F. Noone Jr., a retired Air Force lawyer and law professor at Catholic University of America. “We can only say that after an investigation, there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute.”

And the retired zoomie can go fuck himself with a rusty KA-BAR, right now. If there’s no evidence of wrongdoing, then no wrongdoing happened. If no guilt can be proven, then the defendants are acquitted and presumed innocent.

You don’t get to say “they’re guilty whether we can prove it or not”, fuckhead. At least not in a civilized country, you don’t. Pity you weren’t retired by being pushed out of a plane at 15,000 feet. Without the benefit of a parachute.

Assnugget.

Thatisall.

27 Responses to “Haditha Case Unravels, New York Slimes Terrorist Sympathizers Hardest Hit”
  1. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    This goes HERE..

  2. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    The rest of us were crazy enough to await the results of the investigation prior to getting the rope, gallows and blindfolds ready.

    Like fuck I wasn’t! I had rope ready and the tree limb nicely smoothed…..

    Alas, my age and infirmity meant that I couldn’t catch any of the sprightly journalistic fucktards I wanted to hang, even though they were fatigued from a night of getting ploughed by their fellah in arms.

  3. L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Sire:

    “You don’t get to say “they’re guilty whether we can prove it or not”

    That has the same stench as “Fake but accurate.”

    But, alas, here is a little noted bright spot that begs to be translated into English:


    “CNN has dropped Reuters as one of its key news agencies after deciding to instead make “significant investments” in its own newsgathering operation.”

  4. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    “CNN has dropped Reuters as one of its key news agencies after deciding to instead make “significant investments” in its own newsgathering operation.

    The al-Qaeda stringers are going to get rich, it would appear.

  5. Brian the sailor Comment by Brian the sailor

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    Misha, you are in rare form today.
    I just sent all of my MySpace readers your way. Don’t laugh. I get twice as much traffic on MySpace as I did on Pereiraville.

    But, on the more serious subject, I have a big time problem with “Guilty until proven innocent.”

  6. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    Well, I’m certain that Murtha and Durbin will immediately issue apologies to our soldiers since they jumped to conclusions before the facts were known.

    (:em99: damn, I crack me up!)

  7. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    “CNN has dropped Reuters as one of its key news agencies after deciding to instead make “significant investments” in its own newsgathering operation.”

    The al-Qaeda stringers are going to get rich, it would appear.

    Well if by rich you mean they get to sate their lusts on an entirely new set of willing and eager journalistic orifices, sure.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same……

  8. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Sergeant Wuterich’s lawyers have an uphill legal fight. First, unlike the other marines who faced murder charges, Sergeant Wuterich is charged with the close-range killing of five unarmed men who were ordered out of a vehicle that rolled up near the scene.

    So he’s being charged with MURDER for “shooting unarmed men“, in a war zone, who jumped out of a car & refused to comply with orders, immediately after one car-borne IED had already gone off

    Is it just me or are the Fifth Column Traitors™ really that fuckin’ stupid and do they just really think that WE’RE that fuckin’ stupid?

    :em98: :em96:

  9. LC Beaker Comment by LC Beaker

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    The wife and I watched the interview with Sergeant Wuterich on 60 Minutes last night, and by the end of the segment, I was fucking screaming at the television. Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is what I understood from last night’s broadcast:

    Marines come under attack as IED destroys one of their four humvees, and one Marine is killed. Marines then begin taking small arms fire. Sergeant Wuterich determines that only one house in the area has the vantage point of seeing both the humvees position, and the position of the rest of his squad taking fire. From his training and experience, he determines that said house is the most logical place for the bad guys to be hiding out. Then, after relaying said information, he gets permission to clear out the house. He and his men, who by the way lost quite a few buddies the year before in Fallujah clearing houses, move in and do so, with grenades first, killing the occupants. Sadly, the occupants turn out to be innocents.

    Okay, shit happens. Fucking tragic yes, but murder? Give me a fucking break. As for the “murdered” who were shot fleeing from the car after the IED attack, shitty being them. Yes, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, but again, had they followed orders and stopped, they would be alive today, and I’d be willing to bet the rest of those killed that day would be as well.

    What pissed me off last night was the smug attitude of moral superiority from the journalist fucktard conducting the interview. Here’s an example:

    Fucktard: “Why did you attack the house?”

    Sgt. Wuterich: “I had to protect the lives of my men, and given the information I had (and knowing the tactics of the enemy), it was the only way I could ensure their safety.”

    Fucktard:So you think it was the correct decision?”

    Sgt Wuterich: “I would have preferred to have better information, but given the situation, yes I think it was the right decision at the time.”

    Fucktard: “But what about all those children?”

    ARRRGHHHHHHH. If I could have reached through the TV, I would have bitch-slapped that smug cocksucker back to the fucking stone age. I guess it’s easy to be so superior when the only consequence to those around you by the decisions you make affects how much cream and sugar your editor gets in his Starbucks Latte. Maybe, as Misha pointed out, he should pick up a weapon and show the Marines how it’s done.

    One of the most important things I’ve learned in this life is that you’ll never really know how to do someone else’s job unless you’ve done it yourself. The MSM, with their constant hysterics about all the military does wrong reminds me of the bitch I work with who assumes all her coworkers are stupid and lazy, while telling us all how we should be doing our jobs.

    Should the MSM report on what goes on in Iraq? Yes. But please, lets get a little balance. The NY Times has beat the Marines over the head with their Haditha story (as opposed to reporting what happened). It would be nice if I could remember the stories they’ve run when the Marines saved innocents from terrorists, or were awarded for valor above and beyond in the service of their country.

    There’s a reason Osama attacked the Pentagon and not the NY Times building.

  10. L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    The al-Qaeda stringers are going to get rich, it would appear.

    At first read, I thought it was an admission that Reuter’s was tainted. But now, as you point out, it shows that CNN can buy a container ship of stuffed animals from China for each picture and hire their own stringers cheaper. I must’ve got thrown by socialists reacting in a capitalist manner.

    I guess it just proves that anyone can make up the news.

  11. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    It’s an outrage that after the brave men and women serving AP and Reuters in Iraq detected such a scandal and risked their lives to take pictures and interview locals that the US Military is going to let these men (who clearly appear to be murderers according to the journalism on the subject) walk away scott-free without even a damning trial which allows the issue to be framed in sound bites.

  12. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    Most excellent royal fisking, Emperor.

    For heaven’s sake! Is this a news story or a sermon??

    Reads more like the latter.

  13. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    It may not be clear to some (current avatar notwithstanding) but in my past posts here I might, might have indicated a slight bias in favor of our Armed Forces…Marines in particular. Just a smidgeon. :em34:

    Even so, when the Marines were accused of something like this, I was still supportive, but I wasn’t there, so it seemed logical to let the military court system do its thing. As has been said on this site before, there are bad seeds in every organization. The Marines have, can and WILL police their own - they have a venerable reputation to uphold, afterall.

    Then along came…. murtha :em38:

    I worked on base when Haditha first came to light, and the atmosphere among the Marines on Pendleton was tense - chill. It was sad, having to see Marines shopping for groceries, waiting in lines on their own base amid racks of tabloid newspapers with their organization and their brothers-in-arms gleefully, scoweringly, condemned in bold headlines.

    No one in uniform was allowed to even talk about Haditha, and when a community gathering of support for those Marines was scheduled every weekend, us civilians who worked on base weren’t allowed to attend either - in case it might ‘offend’ someone. I’ll tell you who it offended - ME! But, I bided my time, hoping that the results would come back exonerating these men. Prepared to see justice done if that hadn’t been the case.

    I can’t call the results so far ‘exoneration’. The charges have been dropped. These ‘Haditha Marines’ have been marked, however; their honor dragged through the mud.

    I pray that Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani makes it thru his courtmartial; I will pray even harder for Sergeant Wuterich due to his position as the final chance for the prosecution to pin SOMEthing on SOMEbody or risk having egg over 100% of their useless mugs, instead of just 99.98%.

    My dear friend was a Squad Leader also, like Wuterich, who walked point daily on over 70 missions on the streets of Ramadi, down Rte. Michigan and into Hell and back, over and over and over. He said that doing that, walking point in Hell, mind you, wasn’t as difficult to do as dealing with the stuff they all had to deal with, ROE, etc. safely back at the FOB. ??? How bloody stupid, how unempathic and how suckingly bad does your ability to visualize or imagine what the boots-on-the-ground War must be like, have to BE that you can condemn these men without a hearing, excoriate them in the press, besmirch their good names before the facts are in, do incalculable damage to their families, their finances and their futures?

    It won’t be as satisfying, i.e. :em58:, but I hope the lawsuits pile up on …murtha, :em38: I believe there are two to date; Hell, the more the merrier. Sue him till he’s the one that no longer knows even the whisper of a memory of his good name. The country needs to know what this pos EX Marine has wrought.

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    I am glad that the marines who are innocent are being let go-good investigations always take time :em41: Also-while I can never condone war crimes, I was not there so I can’t really judge what was and was not wrong.

  15. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I have little of substance to add to what has already been said. I, like the Pendleton Marines Beth described, was apprehensive about Haditha. I could easily understand what had happened, but I also knew how it would look to the uninitiated. Kind of like explaining how a suspect can be justifiably shot in the back. Reaction and recognition time etc. I prayed that the investigation would show what I could see had clearly happened, as it now has. Thank God Haditha won’t be this generations Mai Lai to live down.

    Having said that, I have a major pet peeve to “discuss” with this ignorant cum guzzling gutter slut piece of shit “journalist”.

    Marine is capitalized. It is a proper title. Lower case marine refers to sea life you twat.

    STAFF Sergeant Wuterich is just that, a STAFF Sergeant, pay grade E-6. A Sergeant is pay grade E-5.Sergeants are Non-Commissioned officers, S/Sgt’s are Staff Non-Commissioned Officers. When referring to a S/Sgt by rank it is just that, STAFF Sergeant. Kind of like calling a Lance Corporal a Corporal, also a no no, which brings me to the subject of L/Cpl’s.

    Lance Corporal is a rank, also a proper title, and is also capitalized (see above about Marine).

    If you are going to write about the military, at least try and understand something about it you sissy boy wuss, even if you do “loathe” it. Kind of like when a “war correspondent” says they are with the “Army’s 1st squad”. 1st Squad of what you simpering douche?

    :em38:

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  17. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Kind of like when a “war correspondent” says they are with the “Army’s 1st squad”. 1st Squad of what you simpering douche?

    :em38:

    You mean to say that they have more than one 1. Squad???

    Damn, I think you just fried what passes for brains in about four dozen impeccably credentialed, highly qualified, painstakingly fact checking journaljizzmers, Crunchie.

    :lol:

  18. Unregistered Comment by Roger Glass

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    What are these infantrymen always whining about? I’m under real stress. If I make a mistake, a company might not get a patent.

    SHIT!! COCK!! PISS!! BITCH!! BASTARD!!

    Since I’m at worst only mildy stupid, and not a complete imbecile, then even if the dead were innocent victims as well as my own family, I would never never never blame these marines, as long as they believed they were acting in fear of their lives - no matter how “negligent” or even “reckless” they may have been. If they were intentionally committing atrocities, without such fear, then that’s different. But it’s bad enough we have to put them in such situations; do we also have to make them comply with the same rules of engagement I use in playing scrabble with my nieces?

    My uncle still hasn’t recovered from Okinawa. They killed civilians regularly. And they hated it. Do you think they stopped and held a Warren Commission each time? How the hell do you do that and fight a war? They grit their teeth and kept going.

    And as for the sergeant shooting those guys who ran away. Was there maybe some tension in the situation? And I don’t know anything about the particular potential dangers involved, but is it at all possible, maybe, that the sergeant thought they might be trying to get sufficient distance from the spot so that they could set off a bomb in the car without getting caught by the blast?

    Sheesh. Am I crazy, or was it a horrible injustice to our guys even to subject them to a legal proceeding here? How can we treat them like this?

  19. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Was there maybe some tension in the situation? And I don’t know anything about the particular potential dangers involved, but is it at all possible, maybe, that the sergeant thought they might be trying to get sufficient distance from the spot so that they could set off a bomb in the car without getting caught by the blast?

    Dead on, LC Roger.

    That’s why I wax nostalgic for my old RoE (they may have changed them over there since then). Quite simple, really: If it is in a combat zone and it is not complying with orders and/or running away, it’s a target. My orders, should the shit hit the fan, were to bring my men back and not take any chances with their lives. ANY chances.

    Better safe than sorry, and if you’re daft enough to refuse an order from a well-equipped, well-armed soldier, then you probably need to be removed from the gene pool anyway.

  20. Unregistered Comment by Roger Glass

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    Crunchie, Sire, excellent point. I’m the Total and Eternal Civilian, but even I get annoyed when they authoritatively refer to the “second” brigade, or some such. I’m thinking, “Well, the army has ten divisions, so second brigade of which one, for crissake?”

    By the way, nowadays the army doesn’t have regiments, except for the ranger regiment, right? But each brigade is made up of three or four or so battalions, each of which goes by a name like (I’m of course making up these numbers) “3rd battalion, 150th regiment?” And there may or may not any longer be, somewhere or other, a 1st or a 2nd battalion of the 150th regiment, but in any case “3rd battalion, 150th regiment” is the sole and unique name of that particular battalion, for the whole army?

    (I’m sober, really I am. But if the question is stupid just forget it.)

  21. Unregistered Comment by Roger Glass

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    Just saw your answer, my liege. Todah rabah.

  22. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Roger Glass

    Thea Army does still have Regiments, but the official title is sometimes subordinate to a units tasking. For example, the 82nd Airborne still uses the Regiment designation as part of the official title, like “1st of the 501st”, meaning 1st Bn, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment.

    I’m not 100% sure but, IIRC the Army’s current structuring from smallest to largest is squad (thirteen or so soldiers, three squads to a Platoon), Platoon (Three rifle platoons to a Company), Company (three comany’s to a Bn.), Battalion (Three to a regiment), Regiment (two to a Brigade), Brigade, Division, Corps, and Army.

    Squads and platoons are labeled numerically, companies alphabetically, Bn’s, Regiments, Brigades, Divisions, Corps’ and Armies all numerical, with Brigade on up often having names as well. Also, I believe, above Regimental level, numbers are only used once.

    The Corps is similar up to Regiment. There are no Brigades, except a MEB (Marine Expeditionary Brigade) which is a task force of air, armor and infantry built around a regiment, and Division is the largest unit. Marines also have Fire Teams, which are 4 men (FT leader with a 203, SAW gunner, assistant gunner, and a rifleman). Each squad has three fire teams and a squad leader, 13 men.

    Once at the Marine Regiment (Called Marines for short) level, numeric designators are only used once. For example, there is only one 8th Marines, assigned to the 2nd MarDiv. 1st MarDiv (Camp Pendleton CA) has all odd numbered regiments 1-7, 2nd MarDiv (Camp LeJeune NC) all even regiments 2-8, and the 3rd MarDiv (Okinawa) shares Regiments on a rotating basis from the other two. The 4th MarDiv (the Reserve division HQ’d at New Orleans) has the double numbered Regiments, 24th, 26th etc.

  23. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Damn, I think you just fried what passes for brains in about four dozen impeccably credentialed, highly qualified, painstakingly fact checking journaljizzmers, Crunchie.

    :lol:

    Just doing my bit to raise the IQ level of the gene pool Sire.

  24. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    crunchie

    Just doing my bit to raise the IQ level of the gene pool Sire.

    So, should we change your name to Cl-crunchie???

  25. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    “We can’t say those guys didn’t commit a crime,” said Michael F. Noone Jr., a retired Air Force lawyer and law professor at Catholic University of America. “We can only say that after an investigation, there was not sufficient evidence to prosecute.”

    OMG this douche was my brother’s ETHICS professor at Catholic! :em38: :em95:

  26. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    I do appreciate the info, but I can pretty much guarantee, out of that whole thing I will only remember odd number regiments = Pendleton, even = LeJeune, 2 digits = Reserve, and if it doesn’t fit in those categories, it must be Okinawa.

  27. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I do appreciate the info, but I can pretty much guarantee, out of that whole thing I will only remember odd number regiments = Pendleton, even = LeJeune, 2 digits = Reserve, and if it doesn’t fit in those categories, it must be Okinawa.

    That would still be an order of magnitude more than the “esteemed” war correspondents SoCal.

    Guido, chlorine Crunchie sounds to much like a toilet bowl cleaner. :em93: