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A soldier knows a comrade in arms.

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A soldier knows who he can trust.

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A soldier knows his commanders will never let him down.

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A soldier knows that when he returns home, it will be to a grateful nation.

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They are your brothers, your sisters, the guy or girl next door. They are the ones who stand between you and harm, in all the empty places where they must walk.

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And when their commander in chief stands before them, the rafters shake with their cheers and applause.

Let the politicians bluster and bloviate, the Democrats orate from their bully pulpits…they have forgotten one simple lesson, one that President Bush learned from an early age, one his enemies both at home and abroad will never understand.

A soldier always knows.

83 Responses to “A soldier always knows”
  1. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    That IS correct. He may have some flaws that piss off conservative values, but by GOD there hasn’t been a commander in chief like him for a while!

  2. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    It is nice when the Boss realizes that Loyalty, the Oath of Fealty, the glue that binds and makes a gaggle of Warriors into SOLDIERS, goes both up and down the Chain of Command.

    Good on ya, Dubya!

  3. Dick Comment by Dick

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    Yep, they sure do.

  4. Unregistered Trackback by James Hooker's War

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    The troops hate George Bush’s Guts -…you can see it in these photos……

    …the absolute disgust on their faces says it all. The cold, cruel, un-caring bastard!…

  5. Unregistered Comment by james_hookers_war

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    I love it. I wonder how many Catie’s gonna say were ‘forced’ to stand and smile in these photos.

    Kill ‘em early. Kill ‘em often. Kill ‘em THERE!

  6. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Great post, Brendan.

    Hope you are recovering well too, hon.

  7. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Doing much better thanks, Heather. One day at a time. :)

  8. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Nailed THAT one to the wall (as well) Brendan!

    Hooah!

  9. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    I love how when GDub, aka Presidente Jorge, visits our troops, he gets some respect and grins. Although, I wish he’d back us on protecting our borders, he does command some admiration from the soldiers….. On the flip side, Harry Reid, Nancy Lugosi, and Jack Murtha-f-cker visit our troops, and it’s frowns, cold shoulders, and thinly veiled hostility. I guess insulting General Petreas, calling our troops murderers and back tracking on funding the needed supplies for war make them mad.

    Had any of these cowards been around in FDR and TRuman’s time, pulling the current leftwing backstab the troops crap, they’d be swinging from a noose, or busted down, and drafted into a military work detail. I wouldn’t trust them with front line troops. Not one iota….

    Oh, speaking of bastards, the Venice film festival was all applause for Brian (Scarface) DePalma making a bash US troops film, in which our guys supposedly raped a 14 year old Iraq, killed her, and murdered her ENTIRE FAMILY. DePalma got a standing ovation. Why did we liberate Europe, again?

  10. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Why did we liberate Europe, again?

    Jealousy and envy do terrible things to people, Nick. Even blinding you to the best friends you may have.

  11. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Why did we liberate Europe, again?

    *tired smile*

    We did what had to be done.

    Regardless of the spinelessness of their idiotic rulers…we had to take a stand, and send that bastard and his genocidal empire to the Hell and torment they so richly deserved.

    As I have said once before, it is unlikely that the US or other countries will again allow their sons and daughters to shed their blood on the altar of European impotence, especially in the face of such an implacable evil.

    But then again…faced with the Long War..we may have no choice.

    *turns to look at a map on the wall*

    Something tells me that sooner or later…we may have little choice in the matter. We may have to, again, save them from themselves.

    The only question is…how heavy will the blood price be for the freedom of the entire world this time?

    Only time will tell.

  12. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Que moonbat seranade: “Dance of the Warmonger”

    They see this as incomprehensible evil propaganda.

    S’cuse me whilst I bask…
    ‘Cooler’s over by the tree, if anyone else want’s to pull up and flop for a few…

  13. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    Nice, Brendan. Real nice.

    Glad you’re healing well. :-)

  14. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Something tells me that sooner or later…we may have little choice in the matter. We may have to, again, save them from themselves.

    The only question is…how heavy will the blood price be for the freedom of the entire world this time?

    But, as always, America will gird it’s loins, take a deep breath, roll up it’s sleeves, and wade in, yet again.

    We warned them, and, deep inside, they know it’s coming, but do they prepare? Silly Librul!

    Like all modern day son’s of Marx, including some here on our own shores, they see the danger coming, and ignore it until it is too damn late to do anything other than fight and die against horrendous odds.

    Like liberal’s everywhere, they have a Spinal Level aversion to all things military, that completely bypasses the forebrain. Following the initial panic of 9/11 (caused by a high regard for their own skins), they showed several signs of faux patriotism. This was nothing more than an initial reaction of “KEEP ME SAFE.”

    Once the smoke had cleared, they began to revert to normal operation, and started undercutting the ones who see something other than their own life and death as important.

    And then, “Once more unto the breach,” as we sigh with frustration, and once more save the silly fuckers from themselves.

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    Wonderful post, Brendan, and I’m glad you are geting better. Thank you, and I’ll get off the soap box now.

  15. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    As much as this man has screwed up the last few years with border security, illegal immigration, kowtowing to the Left, and giving the American citizens the finger on a regular basis….

    I have to step back from the punching bag and give him a rest when he does this. He loves and respects the troops. That is most evident in his face, and more importantly in their faces. They will never feign admiration like that for an empty photo op. If they do not trust you they will NOT be coerced into pretense for the camera. Cankle Ankles and Jon “I am stuk n Irak” Carry have found that out the hard way.

    If only he were to show as much respect and admiration for the average American Citizen.

    Thank you Brendon. Glad to know you’re doing well.

  16. Unregistered Comment by irish19

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    But then again…faced with the Long War..we may have no choice.

    *turns to look at a map on the wall*

    Something tells me that sooner or later…we may have little choice in the matter. We may have to, again, save them from themselves.

    The only question is…how heavy will the blood price be for the freedom of the entire world this time?

    I’m afraid the blood price for this will make WWII seem like a picnic. And I think our main goal will have to be to save ourselves from them. The rest of the world is going to have to make some kind of commitment to freedom before we shed our blood and spend our treasure on yet another thankless crusade to do what they showed little willingness to do themselves.

  17. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Great photo op.

    Did you pay attention to what Bush was saying?

    For the past couple of months, we’ve had Democrats, Republicans, and even a retiring Chief of Staff saying that Bush needs to start bringing most of those troops home right away.

    Of course Bush, being the stubborn, bull-headed person he is, has been consistent in his response: they will stay as long as HE says so.

    But if you listened closely to what Bush was saying yesterday, he was paving the way for HIS version of “cut and run”.

    Of course it isn’t “cut and run” if the President declares a victory, is it? It doesn’t matter whether the reality on the ground hasn’t changed, it only means that the President says it has changed.

    Bush later called it “stealing the thunder” from the
    Democratic Congress by signalling his own troop drawdown less than two weeks in front of General Petraeus’ report (a report that is actually being ghost written by the White House). There is speculation that Petraeus is expected to tell Congress that removing troops from certain areas is warranted.

    What has changed?

    We’ve been quietly making deals with Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr that includes a six month truce with Sadr’s Army, and will probably end up in Sadr eventually taking the reins of the country as its leader.

    Do I think any of this is a “bad thing”?

    Of course not. I think it is the reality of the situation in Iraq. Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s government has proven useless, and Petraeus’ Report is expected to say that only three out of the 18 benchmarks have been set — most of those dealing with reunification of the different factions of the government.

    That is a political failure, not a military one.

    So we turn to someone else who is likely to accomplish what is needed for reunification: Moqtada al-Sadr.

    Is this the Democracy we were hoping for in Iraq? No, but I think that we are at the point where we have to admit that forcing our brand of democracy on the Middle East just isn’t feasible and we have to go with Plan B.

    Do I care if Bush “steals the thunder” from Congresional Democrats?

    Nope. The end result is still the same: we are pulling back troops, and letting Iraq decide its own course. How ever that is done, is fine with me.

    Sure, the troops were excited and enthusiastic. Bush was signalling a withdrawal, not just more of the same with no end in sight.

  18. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    See?

  19. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Your Thomas Jefferson said it best

    “What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

    Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

    The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.”

    And the soldier knows this too.

  20. SSG Fuzzy Comment by SSG Fuzzy

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    :em41:
    Wow, DJ sure hit all the Dimmi talking points, didn’t he?

  21. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Of course Bush, being the stubborn, bull-headed person he is, has been consistent in his response: they will stay as long as HE says so.

    That sort of comes with the job as Commander-in-Chief, as opposed to “Doormat-in-Chief.” If we wanted Harry Lugosi to run the country, we’d have drafted them and voted for them.

    Sure, the troops were excited and enthusiastic. Bush was signalling a withdrawal, not just more of the same with no end in sight.

    Of course. Silly me. That’s it. They’re only happy to see their C-in-C because they get to go home. That’s why he’s been received that way every single time he’s been over there. /sarcasm.

  22. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Hey DJ

    Reconcile the photos above with this.

    The finger position says he was being COERCED into posing for this photo..as opposed to the very real and genuine delight at being greeted by their President.

    They know their task.

    They know the mission.

    They know more than you ever will, Allyn.

  23. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    I mean, it’s not like the Sojers (etc.) wanna stay there for the fucking CLIMATE, after all. There is a job to be done, and they don’t want to leave it 80% done, because if they do, it will just have to be done again, in another 10 years.

    They don’t ask much. A little respect from the people who sent them, and an occasional “Thank You” just makes their day.

    They get so much backstabbing from the normal run of *spit* politicians *spit* that an actual supporter of their work is unusual.

    Murtherforker or CNN (”The most Bustid Name in News!”) appologized for their blood libel, yet?

  24. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, Brendan . . The bold?

    [Fixed - LCB]

  25. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Reconcile the photos above with this.

    So now you are a photo interpreter? Do you read tea leaves too?

    Of course. Silly me. That’s it. They’re only happy to see their C-in-C because they get to go home. That’s why he’s been received that way every single time he’s been over there.

    As far as enthusiasm of the troops, would it surprise you to know that Al Franken gets as much if not more when he does his USO tours?

    A visit from Bush or any other President is a big deal.

    Wow, DJ sure hit all the Dimmi talking points, didn’t he?

    I did? Wow, and I haven’t visited any other site but this one today. (its my birthday, and I have the day off)

    Murtherforker or CNN (”The most Bustid Name in News!”) appologized for their blood libel, yet?

    Do you mean they are actually able to see CNN over there now? The last I heard, they were still only able to get FAUX Noise, but they could listen to Rush and Sean, with a whole half hour of Ed Schultz thrown in.

    I think it was a good thing Bush went over there. You just don’t recognize that this was more of a calculated political move than it was anything else. It is setting the stage for the much anticipated “report” that was ghost-written for Petraus.

    (and all of this without even checking my “talking points cheat sheet”, (as if our party is organized enough to even have one…)

    Now I have to take my ex-cop roommate to the hospital. He might have a blood clot in his knee following his surgery.

  26. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Great photo op.

    A soldier always knows.  A libtard always blows.

    Did you pay attention to what Bush was saying?

    Yeah, we did.  He said troops may be sent home IF  security gains in the country continued, i.e. if the country continued to become pacified.

    Which, if I remember correctly, Dave, IS WHAT HE’S BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!!!!!

    For the past couple of months, we’ve had Democrats, Republicans, and even a retiring Chief of Staff saying that Bush needs to start bringing most of those troops home right away.

    For the past couple of years,  we’ve had Demoscum and RINO chickenshits wanting to turn tail and run when the American military suffered a bloody nose, because they didn’t have the stomach for a fight.

    I can’t speak to Pace, but if he doesn’t have the wherewithal to stick it out, I don’t necessarily want him as C of the JC, either.

    Of course Bush, being the stubborn, bull-headed person he is, has been consistent in his response: they will stay as long as HE says so.

    DAMN that Constitution, giving the President of the United States commander-in-chief authority over the US military!!!  DAMMIT!!!!!

    But if you listened closely to what Bush was saying yesterday, he was paving the way for HIS version of “cut and run”.

    You mean “if we read into it things that aren’t there”, don’t you, Dave?  Easy for you leftards to read stuff that’s not there into things, isn’t it?  You morons do it with the Constitution all the time, so…

    Of course it isn’t “cut and run” if the President declares a victory, is it? It doesn’t matter whether the reality on the ground hasn’t changed, it only means that the President says it has changed.

    I think the only “reality on the ground” that’s changed is that the surge is working and it sticks in the craw of you and your fellow Donktards.

    This is, of course, a Good Thing™.

    Bush later called it “stealing the thunder” from the Democratic Congress by signalling his own troop drawdown less than two weeks in front of General Petraeus’ report (a report that is actually being ghost written by the White House).

    Uh huh.  And who do you use for the cite?  The Washington Compost  and the LA Slimes?

    And you have the gall to call them “Fox Noise”? 

    There is speculation that Petraeus is expected to tell Congress that removing troops from certain areas is warranted.

    Maybe it is  warranted in certain areas - ever stop to think about that?

    DAMN that surge!!!  It worked!!!!!  DAMMIT!!!!!!!!1

    What has changed?

    Besides the surge working?  Besides people’s perception that the was might now actually be winnable, despite what the Donks have been bleating?  Besides Bush’s ratings doubling that of your precious Imperial Socialist Congress™?

    Eh.  Not much. 

    We’ve been quietly making deals with Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr that includes a six month truce with Sadr’s Army, and will probably end up in Sadr eventually taking the reins of the country as its leader.

    Do you have any  evidence to back this up?  Preferably from a credible  source, this time?

    Sure, the troops were excited and enthusiastic. Bush was signalling a withdrawal, not just more of the same with no end in sight.

    Which explains why he’s been received that way EVERY HONKIN’ TIME HE’S GONE OVER THERE.

    Pull the other one, Dave. 

  27. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    So now you are a photo interpreter? Do you read tea leaves too?

    The hand signal the soldier is making says “I am doing this under duress”.

    I don’t see that anywhere in the photos with the President.

    Do you?

    Wait..here’s another photo of US soldiers with that bastion of truth, and defender of the people, John Kerry.

    Tell ya what, DJ, you go find me one of the same with the President.

  28. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Happy Birthday, Dave! I’m not gonna ask, I quit counting years ago.

    I meant the “Deliberate Murder of Civillians” from one, and “Intentionally targeting Journalists” from the other.

    And yes, one can get CNN in Iraq. The ratings are somewhat down, as Football is a bit more popular.

  29. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Bottom line, Allyn, the troops love President Bush, they think he is the best, and their joy at seeing him is never faked or staged.

    The same can not be said for Murtha, Kerry, Clinton,. Couric, Franken or any one of a hundred others who are, quite frankly , part of the fucking problem.

    Thatisall.

  30. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Uh huh. And who do you use for the cite?

    That would have been the Washington Times. When I get the time I will dig it up for you. rite now I am waiting for frank to waddle out the door in his walker… gotta run…

  31. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    That would have been the Washington Times.

    Uh, no Dave - the link is definitely pointing to the Compost.

    Try again.

  32. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    I don’t like Al Franken. He’s smug. With absolutely zero reason to be. Emphasis on the zero.
    Makes it hard for me to find him funny. That’s just my take.

    I give anyone who’s in the entertainment business credit for going to visit the troops in the sandbox, though; that ain’t a picnic for sure, and so few actually make the trip that those that do brave the hardships are much appreciated, which probably explains their enthusiastic reception. If Franken’s gone there for no other reason than to give our men and women a break to lighten their burden for an hour or three, then, more power to him!

    In comparison to the comedian Franken, people seldom if ever view President Bush as an urbane, witty public speaker - - although he has gotten in a few zingers at some of those press luncheon thingys I’ve caught on TV. George Bush does, however, know how to laugh at himself. He also appears infinitely more at ease in informal settings, and it’s revealed in footage of him time and again that he mingles with the troops comfortably. He respects and likes them and it shows. He treats the responsibility he has toward them as no small matter .

    Segueing a little bit, it makes one wonder just how much of a scumbag you’d have to be, to go to visit the troops in visitor-starved Iraq or the ‘Stan and and instead receive a NEGATIVE, cold reception…

    As Brendan said, the soldiers know.

  33. Vergeltung Comment by Vergeltung

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    I like the prez. as others have said, I think he truly loves the troops, and them him. he has done well in some very difficult times for our country.

    I shudder to think of how we would have suffered under the Goreacle or Effin’ Kerry. :em72:

  34. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Uh, no Dave - the link is definitely pointing to the Compost.

    Try again.

    No, I think YOU should try again. I know where I read it.

    The president’s trip came just as Congress returns from a monthlong vacation, with Democrats intent on forcing the Bush administration to change tactics in Iraq. Acknowledging that his comment about troop reductions may have stolen some thunder from Democrats, the president told reporters on Air Force One after he left Iraq: “Maybe I was intending to do that.”

    While WaPo and the other publications have the same story, I deliberately chose Reverend Moon’s Washington Times because that is the organ of record for Republicans. :em99:

    But nice try in NOT looking for it yourself. :wink:

    I don’t like Al Franken. He’s smug. With absolutely zero reason to be. Emphasis on the zero.
    Makes it hard for me to find him funny. That’s just my take.

    Yet the troops appear to like him and I guess that is all that matters.

    I am not a big fan of Al’s comedy either. He is a nice enough guy, and his heart is in the right place — he does care and he is not one to just talk the talk, he will put himself out there in a big way.

    I just don’t care for his brand of comedy, that’s all.

    But on a personal level, he is a very personable guy, and easy to talk to, and he is far from stupid or uninformed. He has a degree in Poli-Sci — comedy was his second career choice.

    I shudder to think of how we would have suffered under the Goreacle or Effin’ Kerry.

    I’m guessing about the same as we have now. The three of them together still wouldn’t produce enough intellectual energy play a game of checkers.

  35. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    In re DJ’s ‘accusation’ that The Report(TM) is being ‘ghost-written’ by the White House:

    Try going back and reading the resolution by Congress (”America’s UN”(TM)) - it clearly states that The Report(TM) is to be made *BY THE PRESIDENT* - through delegates, granted, but the responsibility lies with the White House. One would hope, of course, that significant input from the people actually in theater would be involved, and it’s only appropriate that one of said persons would deliver the report; but it’s a Presidential report.

    The alternative would be to imply that field commanders report directly to and take direction from Congress rather than the C-in-C; I know how much you want that to be the case, DJ, but there’s this niggling thing called the Constitution in the way.

    And yes, DJ, WE ALL KNOW that if the White House weren’t taking a close hand in writing The Report(TM) you would be FIRST IN LINE to accuse the President of defying Congress, abandoning his duty, throwing the commanders under the bus instead of taking responsibility, etc. etc. etc. The Libtard play book is old, well known, and quite frankly you’re boring.

  36. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DukeFenton @ #35:

    There is more than one report here. The one you are talking about is the one the President is supposed to present to Congress, and the one everyone else — including the president — has been talking about is the General David Petraus report which presumably is the one that the President would be basing HIS report on.

    If the report is being called “Petraus Report” then how is it that Petraus is not the one writing it?

    I love your FAUX News explanation of this, but the reality is that Bush said he isn’t going to make a decision on whether The Surge™ was working or not until General Petraus issued his report. Now we find THAT report is being written by the White House as well.

    You really need to get your information from more than one propaganda source. Shop around a little, try to get the whole story.

  37. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    Yet the troops appear to like him and I guess that is all that matters.

    Thought that was covered in my next paragraph in the sentence ’so few actually make the trip that those that do brave the hardships are much appreciated, which probably explains their enthusiastic reception.‘ What the troops have shown they ‘like’ is his, or any other entertainer’s willingness to show up and do just that, entertain them. Whether they like Mr. Franken, the man, is not something I’d even try to guess about.

    But on a personal level, he is a very personable guy, and easy to talk to, and he is far from stupid or uninformed. He has a degree in Poli-Sci — comedy was his second career choice.

    Good for him; I had a roommate in college who majored in Poly-Sci too, and assuredly it does not preclude one from being either stupid or uninformed. However, mileage does vary.

    Something tells me that if you have similar views to his, he might just be as personable as you’ve experienced. I’ve seen Mr. Franken, admittedly only on TV, having discussions, and I use the term loosely, with those withwhom he agrees…NOT so much, and it wasn’t flattering.

  38. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    You just don’t recognize that this was more of a calculated political move than it was anything else.

    Like lugosi in syria?

    It’s also a calculated morale builder, and a calculated fact-gathering mission.

    And it gives calculated world credibility to the fledgling government at a very critical time.

    The iranians have been telling the iraqi’s that we’re leaving and they’re coming.

    Now they get to hear otherwise from Dubya.

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    I just liked the headline: Iraqi sunni’s killing al quaeda by the bushel..
    It’s a month old article, like the surge,,

  40. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    No, I think YOU should try again. I know where I read it.

    Alright, let’s see how clever by half you are, bright boy.

    Here is, verbatim, the link from your earlier comment above, with the hypertext carets replaced by parentheses:

    ((a href=”http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2007/08/16/
    BL2007081601003.html” rel=”nofollow”) (emphasis mine)

    Need a little more fact-checking of yer ass yet, Dave?  Or would you like to post that apology now?

    Nor does it change the fact that Bush has been saying all along that his generals’ assessment of how the surge is working will determine whether or not it continues, and that troops can come home as soon as the job is done.

    Nor did I see anything in THE TIMES!!!!!  where the report was supposed to be “ghost-written”.  So we’re back to your “sources” being the Compost  and the LA Slimes  - which is to say, you don’t have a helluva lotta credibility calling it “Faux News”.

    Not that you ever did, you understand. 

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    Silly Season (politics)…

    Great W-in-Iraq post over at Misha’s; check it out (pictures)…

  42. chuck Comment by chuck

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    That IS correct. He may have some flaws that piss off conservative values, but by GOD there hasn’t been a commander in chief like him for a while!

    Since Jan.20, 1989.

  43. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Thought that was covered in my next paragraph in the sentence

    Sorry, I had already written my response before I read further.

    Something tells me that if you have similar views to his, he might just be as personable as you’ve experienced.

    Similar on some issues, and even quite opposite on others. I could probably say the same thing about most of you here. I seldom find myself in lockstp agreement with anyone.

    As to Franken, our paths have crossed a few times — once on one of those USO tours. We have probably mentioned a political topic maybe twice in an off-hand way.

    I’ve seen Mr. Franken, admittedly only on TV, having discussions, and I use the term loosely, with those withwhom he agrees…NOT so much, and it wasn’t flattering.

    You have probably seen him going up against two other Conservative guests who don’t have a problem pile-driving on Progressive or Liberal guests. Maybe you expected all Liberals to act like some of the neutered Liberals on PBS? Maybe even Alan Combs, who is under contract by FOX not to be confrontational?

    (don’t get me wrong, I like Alan, but he allowed himself to be handcuffed by FOX because Hannity insists on being up against a weak co-host so he can look ’stronger’.)

    And it gives calculated world credibility to the fledgling government at a very critical time.

    That “fledgling government” never saw Bush during this trip.

    I would be willing to wager that this “fledgling government” is going to be gone within the next six months.

    Keep your eyes on Moqtada al-Sadr. If his six-month ‘truce’ holds, it will prove that he has the juice to completely take over in Iraq and that will be the direction we will head.

    Need a little more fact-checking of yer ass yet, Dave? Or would you like to post that apology now?

    Are we talking about the same thing, Spats? Here is what I had said, and your response:

    Bush later called it “stealing the thunder” from the Democratic Congress by signalling his own troop drawdown less than two weeks in front of General Petraeus’ report (a report that is actually being ghost written by the White House).

    Uh huh. And who do you use for the cite? The Washington Compost and the LA Slimes?

    Since the subject of that sentence had to do with Bush stealing the thunder of Congressional Democrats, I just assumed that was what got your knickers in a bunch. Hense the link to the Reverend Moonie site that talked about ’stealing the thunder’.

    Okay, now here is where I hope everyone is sitting down:

    I apparently was wrong in my discription of what has been considered to be “The Petraeus Report”.

    The written report, required by law, is to come from the President on or before September 15th. Petraeus, is, however, required to deliver an assessment to Congress by way of oral testimony. THAT is his ‘report’.

    The question is, how much of Petraeus is going to be in the oral testimony versus how much administration? Petraeus always has been the adminstration’s “yes-man”.

    Since Jan.20, 1989.

    So Bush is now Ronald Reagan? :lol:

    Didn’t Reagan run from Beirut? Just askin’

  44. Unregistered Comment by LawDog

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    That “fledgling government” never saw Bush during this trip.

    Really? Goodness.

    When did — and I quote from the above South-African paper — “Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, President Jalal Talabani and other top Iraqi officials from Baghdad” not count as — at least a small part — of the “fledging government”?

    LawDog

  45. chuck Comment by chuck

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    He is the most respectable CNC since Reagan. Context, Dj, context. I know reading for comprehension isn’t a strong point among liberals but work with me here.

  46. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    He is the most respectable CNC since Reagan.

    Respectable

    1. Deserving honor, respect, or admiration: admirable, commendable, creditable, deserving, estimable, exemplary, honorable, laudable, meritorious, praiseworthy, reputable, worthy. See good/bad, praise/blame, respect/contempt/standing, value/worthlessness/evaluation.
    2. Conforming to accepted standards: becoming, befitting, comely, comme il faut, correct, decent, decorous, de rigueur, nice, proper, right, seemly. See courtesy/discourtesy.
    3. Of moderately good quality but less than excellent: acceptable, adequate, all right, average, common, decent, fair, fairish, goodish, moderate, passable, satisfactory, sufficient, tolerable. Informal OK, tidy. See good/bad.
    4. Somewhat big: biggish, goodly, largish, sizable. See big/small/amount.
    5. Proper in appearance: presentable. Informal decent. See good/bad, usual/unusual.

    Uh…. no. And some 70+ percent of people in this country disagree with that as well.

    Context, Dj, context. I know reading for comprehension isn’t a strong point among liberals but work with me here.

    But I was in context with what you said. If you meant something else, don’t expect me to be a mind reader. Heavens knows we already have a finger-reader combined with a photo analyst who could probably read tea leaves right here on this thread. :em99:

    Get it right: we haven’t had a good president since Ike.

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  48. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Respectable

    1. Deserving honor, respect, or admiration: admirable, commendable, creditable, deserving, estimable, exemplary, honorable, laudable, meritorious, praiseworthy, reputable, worthy. See good/bad, praise/blame, respect/contempt/standing, value/worthlessness/evaluation.
    2. Conforming to accepted standards: becoming, befitting, comely, comme il faut, correct, decent, decorous, de rigueur, nice, proper, right, seemly. See courtesy/discourtesy.
    3. Of moderately good quality but less than excellent: acceptable, adequate, all right, average, common, decent, fair, fairish, goodish, moderate, passable, satisfactory, sufficient, tolerable. Informal OK, tidy. See good/bad.
    4. Somewhat big: biggish, goodly, largish, sizable. See big/small/amount.
    5. Proper in appearance: presentable. Informal decent. See good/bad, usual/unusual.

    Funny…to the hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq, this describes their President perfectly.

    You hijacked this thread with your B.D.S, Allyn.I only have one question for leftards like you…what will you do when Pres. Bush leaves office and you have no one to vent that screeching hate against?

    I support the troops.

    I support the mission.

    I support the President in his efforts to fight a growing evil that has been present for fifty years.

    That very same evil that wants to impose a worldwide Caliphate and sharia law, on each and every human being.

    Clinton gutted the military, used the Secret Service like chauffeurs, every Democrat President has done more to damage the US and the free world, than they have done to make any real or lasting contributions.

    I pray to God we have a Republican in the White House in 2009, because believe you me, Allyn, the US will not be the only ones to suffer if we get some Dem appeaser in the Oval Office.

    More than one nation relies on the strength and resolve of the United States, once in a while, Allyn, take a look at a fucking MAP, and like so many of your liberal ilk, remind yourself that there are other nations besides the United States, and that their safety and their security is just as important.

    The rest of the world, to President Bush, are the millions of names and faces he will never know, but whose lives he wants to protect. The rest of us are just a punchline to leftards like you, who don’t give a rats ass beyond their own interests.

    A massive bomb in Sydney Airport
    Poisoned water supplies
    Wrecked electricity stations
    Assassination of a Head of State
    A bomb in a packed movie theatre or train station in peak hour.

    That is the nightmare scenario we face..and if you think for one moment that terrorists will hesitate to strike here instead of in the US, then you’re a bigger fool than I thought.

    Those are the stakes, DJ Allyn,President Bush knows it, and is well aware of what will happen if he fails.

    All the Left wants is to appease, cut and run, thinking that if they hand the ravening beast what they want, then they will leave them alone.

    More like this

    The UnZipped One was asleep on his watch and his culpable negligence set the stage for 9/11, Pres. Bush has taken a stand and kicked the terrorists where it hurt.The terrorists want a defeat in Iraq..it will give them what they need…and if you think for one moment that the Iranians will sit still and do nothing, you are sadly demented.

    Iran has been shelling the Kurds, and if you dint know it Allyn, shelling a foreign nation across borders is usually what is called an act of war.

    Iran has its eyes on Iraq and a pan-Islamic state. That’s the prize,Allyn, that’s what defeatists like you are so keen to hand them.

    Keep your eyes on Moqtada al-Sadr. If his six-month ‘truce’ holds, it will prove that he has the juice to completely take over in Iraq and that will be the direction we will head.

    Or he will have been neutralised as a political force.Six months is a major timeframe for him to sit on his hands…by which time the political and military landscape will have changed hugely.

    Allyn:I am going to ask a question, and I want a serious, real reply.

    Whose fucking side are you on?

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    Sistani and his people might have something to say about Mookie. By all accounts, they don’t care for him much. My money is on Sistani shutting his ass down for 6 mos. I think you’re talking out your ass on this one but we’ll see. Shits coming together over there, albeit slowly. Mookie might wake up dead one morning if he keeps sticking his dick in the lemonade.

    Latest polls (8-21-07) have W job approval at 33% with 11% unsure and 56% disapproving. Not only is that a ways off your 70% figure but I’d bet if the question of respecting W was asked, the results would be a much higher positive. Not all the Dems are suffering from BDS.

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    As much as I disagree :em95: with Bush, I have never doubted that he respects soldiers very much. :em69:

  51. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Funny…to the hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq, this describes their President perfectly. [emphasis mine]

    Hundreds of thousands? Was there another surge we didn’t know about?

    Well, we know from the pictures there was at least a hundred who were a bit excited that someone as important as a president came to see them.

    But I am willing to bet that there might be around half of the military personnel over there that might not care for this president, but because of their situation will not actively display their disapproval.

    I’ve talked to people who have gotten out of the service recently and their attitude towards this president is less than remarkable, if not downright hostile. But their attitude while still in was at most, silent. (as it should be)

    You hijacked this thread with your B.D.S, Allyn.

    Oh, I am sorry, did you want an echo chamber instead?

    BDS? Give me a break. It isn’t like you don’t have CDS, ODS, JEDS, and a whole list of disorders not actually covered in the DSM-IV Axis I through V.

    The interesting thing about Conservatives over the past thirty years is the uncanny way they have of accusing Liberals of something that they themselves do.

    what will you do when Pres. Bush leaves office and you have no one to vent that screeching hate against?

    Get it through your head, I don’t hate Bush. I just don’t think he is right for the job, that’s all. I am sure he is a great guy — doing something else.

    As people said during the 2004 election: he would be a great guy to have a beer with. For that matter, Homer Simpson would be a great guy to have a beer with but you certainly wouldn’t want him running the country.

    I don’t have to hate a person to disagree with them. I can only name one person I have ever hated, and that person is no longer around.

    Perhaps it is easier for you to hate someone, but I seriously doubt it. Trust me, you would know when you truly hate a person — it consumes your life and everything else within it.

    Latest polls (8-21-07) have W job approval at 33% with 11% unsure and 56% disapproving. Not only is that a ways off your 70% figure but I’d bet if the question of respecting W was asked, the results would be a much higher positive .

    Would it be better if I said 56 percent completely disapprove, while another 11 percent disapprove to some degree? I mean, either you approve, or you have some serious questions…) But even taking away the 11 percent, fifty-six percent is closer to the arbirary 70 percent I threw out there than it is to the hard number of 33 percent that approve of Bush.

    Not all the Dems are suffering from BDS.

    You do realize that you can still respect a person you hate, don’t you? But if you are referring to Joe Liebermann, he is hardly a democrat.

    When you finally stop blaming Clinton for everything, THEN come see me about your fake BDS

  52. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ shitmouthed:

    I apparently was wrong in my discription of what has been considered to be “The Petraeus Report”.

    NEWS FLASH: WATER IS WET!

    The written report, required by law, is to come from the President on or before September 15th. Petraeus, is, however, required to deliver an assessment to Congress by way of oral testimony. THAT is his ‘report’.

    So he is, in effect, presenting the President’s report to the Congress. I think that’s what I said, DickJob. Looks like the ‘FAUX News explanation’ was correct after all.

    The question is, how much of Petraeus is going to be in the oral testimony versus how much administration?

    It’s the President’s report, DickJob. Ideally *all* of it should come from the White House. I hate to keep reminding you of this, but the military reports to THE PRESIDENT, *NOT* to Congress. If any active duty commander testifies to Congress, it is as a subordinate representative speaking for the Commander in Chief. There is not, nor is there *supposed to be* anything ‘independent’ about his testimony; if there were it would constitute insubordination, which any military person can tell you is a major offense.

    Petraeus always has been the adminstration’s “yes-man”.

    Well, God forbid a military commander would say ‘yes’ to his Commander in Chief.

  53. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    The interesting thing about Conservatives over the past thirty years is the uncanny way they have of accusing Liberals of something that they themselves do.

    Oh?  You mean, like how you libtards are always accusing us of being racist, yet it’s always the Demoscum who are talking about the “brown people”?

    Like you people accuse us of being intolerant towards other religions, then dunk the crucifixes in piss and call it “art”?

    Like you accuse us of wanting the “echo chamber”, yet your leaders are the ones backing the so-called “Fairness Doctrine” in an effort to shut us up?

    Like you bitch & moan when I impugn your “sources”, then you bleat on & on about “Faux Noise”?

    Yeah, you liberal shits are real bastions  of consistency.

  54. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ shitmouthed again:

    But I am willing to bet that there might be around half of the military personnel over there that might not care for this president

    Interesting. Here DJ on the one hand insinuates that persons with military experience cannot ‘interpret’ a photograph showing a gesture which military are *taught to make* to indicate coercion; yet on the other hand pretends to know the hearts of 50,000+ people he’s never met.

    What a pretentious asshole. :em58:

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    Thank you, Brendan, for the pictures, and happy birthday or whatever, Deej, but - I gotta tell ya, my revered Momma says Ike was the greatest general ever but a shit president. I’ve gotta tell ya I’ve been around for many presidents. To my great shame (because I was a fledgling and believed the sorry somabitch) I voted for jimmuh cahtah…that bullshit will never fly with a whole generation, again. You, Deej, are only exposed to left-coast crap, you’re more than likely close to my age, and, man, you gotta get out more. You’re roommate come out alright? I can only check in and out during the day. W pisses me off periodically too, but I do believe he will come out in history as the greatest during my lifetime, and I do love him for his support of the troops - the country wasn’t so loving when my Dad came back from Viet Nam. ‘Member that??, were ya part of it? Real helpful in morale building…took me awhile, but I knew it was the media, even then, and have never forgotten it.

  56. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    I’ll guarantee you, DJ, the military has far more respect for a CINC who was once “one of them,” than they would have for one who protested against his own country in a country belonging to our former enemy.

    The military loves Bush. It’s obvious by the pictures we see, and there isn’t much the lib press can do about that.

  57. xenophobic Comment by xenophobic

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    DJ:
    You don’t think that Sadr’s Hudna is one of the below:

    1./ Seeing the Sunni insurgency starting to erode, and numerous areas secured he realizes the next “Fallujah” will occur in Sadr City rather than the Sunni triangle?

    2./ With all of the Saber rattling against Iran that they have decided to fence him in a little while?

  58. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    I’ve talked to people who have gotten out of the service recently and their attitude towards this president is less than remarkable, if not downright hostile.

    How many have you talked to, Dave? 1? 10? 20? Out of how many members in all four branches? I live in a military community. I’ve probably talked to as many who are crazy about Bush as CINC, so a handful who dislike him means nothing.

  59. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Sure, the troops were excited and enthusiastic. Bush was signalling a withdrawal, not just more of the same with no end in sight.

    Allow me to give you a glimpse into the mindset of soldiers wanting a “withdrawl” vs soldiers wanting to win and then go home.

    In 1864 U.S. Grant took over as CG of the Army of the Potomac. The union had pretty much gotten its ass kicked up to that point. They had invaded the Confederacy several times. Each time they had been beaten strategically and forced to turn back and march North again to regroup and try again later.

    Grants first major engagement against Lee was at Cold Harbor. By all accounts, Cold Harbor was a major Reb victory. The Union troops assaulted prepared, entrenched positions. The casualties were horrific. There was the story of a young Union soldier, maybe 16 or so. The Standard bearer had been cut down in front of him and he had dropped his rifle and picked up the colors, taking the position at the front of the advancing Union line. On he marched, impervious to everything except the Confederate line that he knew he had to lead his Regiment towards. Suddenly he noticed the Rebs were no longer firing at him. Instead they were yelling for him to turn back. He was 15 yards from their line and he saw they were crying, begging him to turn back. He stopped and looked to his left and right. He was alone, his entire regiment laying slain on the field behind him. That’s how bloody Cold Harbor was.

    So after the battle, the union soldiers prepared to march back North. Another defeat, another year of the war. They were dejected, crestfallen and beaten. Do you think they wanted to go home then? Of course they did.

    But instead of turning North, they marched South. There was cheering and a great feeling of euphoria. South meant more fighting, but it also meant that Lee would not be given the chance to rest and recuperate. It meant that Grant meant to WIN the war. It meant that they would in fact go home soon, but that they would go home through Richmond, and they would return with their shields, not on them, it mean victory.

    That’s what you see in those face DJ. The troops have the same respect for Bush as the Yankees had for Grant. He promises them more suffering, more pain, more sacrifice, but they know that it means victory and that is what they want, more than to come home beaten, only to have to go back again and fight an even stronger enemy.

    And I did not get that from Faux Noise as you call it, I got it from knowing how a grunt thinks. You should try it some time.

  60. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    wow, the “opposing opinion” is just so fucking lame

  61. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    So he is, in effect, presenting the President’s report to the Congress. I think that’s what I said, DickJob. Looks like the ‘FAUX News explanation’ was correct after all.

    Well, yes, Peanut, he is essentially saying what Bush is going to tell him to say. Of course, that isn’t what Congress intended, is it? They intended Patraeus to deliver an oral testimony of his own, not what Bush tells him to say. It still amounts to what I was saying all along — Patraeus isn’t going to speak his mind, he is going to speak the administration’s.

    It’s the President’s report, DickJob. Ideally *all* of it should come from the White House.

    What is it about a few of you and your homoerotic thoughts?

    Sadly, you are a bit confused as to what the law says. It requires NOT ONLY the president’s report, but it also requires an oral accountability testimony by both Petraeus and the Ambassador in front of Congress. Bush is supposed to base his report on what Petraeus says, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    I hate to keep reminding you of this, but the military reports to THE PRESIDENT, *NOT* to Congress.

    Except when Congress puts restrictions on the military’s purse. THEN they have to report to Congress in order to get the money. The president does not control the money, Congress does.

    In case you want the language of the law, here it is:

    (3) Testimony before congress.—Prior to the submission of the President’s second report on September 15, 2007, and at a time to be agreed upon by the leadership of the Congress and the Administration, the United States Ambassador to Iraq and the Commander, Multi-National Forces Iraq will be made available to testify in open and closed sessions before the relevant committees of the Congress.

    There are some other independent reports that are due out any time now also. One of them released today by the GAO says Iraq failed to meet all but two of nine security goals Congress had set as benchmarks. The Pentagon sharply protests the report. Not to worry though, The Center for Strategic and International Studies should be coming out with their report almost any day.

    I’ll guarantee you, DJ, the military has far more respect for a CINC who was once “one of them,” than they would have for one who protested against his own country in a country belonging to our former enemy.

    The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry actually went to a war. Bush hung out in a Champaigne Unit and it can never be proved that he actually showed up for part of it.

  62. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    As people said during the 2004 election: he would be a great guy to have a beer with. For that matter, Homer Simpson would be a great guy to have a beer with but you certainly wouldn’t want him running the country.

    Guess they forgot to tell you which way they were voting afterwards.

  63. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Deej

    Patraeus isn’t going to speak his mind, he is going to speak the administration’s.

    And you know this how? We’ve got people all over the chart saying they absolutely know what the man is going to say before he’s probably even finished the report.

    I think I’ll wait, hear what he says, then work on it. I may not like what he says, maybe I will, but to accuse someone of what you think they are going to say just doesn’t cut it.

    When he gets up there he may fool us all and tell the truth.

  64. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    When he gets up there he may fool us all and tell the truth.

    To DJ Allyn:

    And simply because what he may say wont jell with the Left’s memes and demands for defeat and retreat, doesnt make it “propaganda” or “administration line”..it means that Petraus knows better than you what the tactical situation is.

    He is there.

    You aren’t.

  65. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    Uhm, Crunchie. The first encounter between Grant and Lee was The Battle of the Wilderness. That was the Battle where the Army of the Potomac was stopped once again by Lee, but, instead of going back, Grant moved them to the right and forward, and when the troops realized that they were going forward and not back towards Washington, they gave off a very loud cheer that even the Rebels could hear. Cold Harbor was a later battle during Grant’s campaign against Lee in ‘64, and yes, it was the worst battle of that campaign as his men went against a well entrenched Army of Northen Virginia, and lost a large number of them, before they did another right hook which lead to the Siege of Petersburg and Grant deciding not to do another frontal assault with his men. If you look at it, all of the ‘64 battles between Grant and Lee were won by Lee, but Lee was the ultimate loser because he had less men to lose then Grant did, and Grant kept on advancing in spite of the large loses he kept suffering unlike his predecessors (excluding Meade) who, when they got their ass kicked, went back the way they came. Main reason being, what you’d said, as long as they kept moving forward, Bobbie Lee and his boys were not going to be given a chance to rest and recuperate and add whatever men they could find to replense their depleted ranks.

    The more interesting thing about ‘64 is that the Democrats of the time put out McClellan as their ‘peace’ candidate, expecting the men of the Army of the Potomac to vote for him. Guess what: They voted by large numbers for Lincoln because they wanted to get the job done reknitting the Union, and they also grew to love Uncle Abe, a guy whose only military experience was as an ‘elected’ officer of Illinois volunteers during The Black Hawk War of 1832. Hmmm, not bad for a guy with little military experience who kept on going until he found some generals who could lead his soldiers to victory.

    Hmmmm, is it me, or does this story sound familiar? (Revolution, Civil War, World War II.)

  66. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    LCBrendan

    And simply because what he may say wont jell with the Left’s memes and demands for defeat and retreat, doesnt make it “propaganda” or “administration line”..it means that Petraus knows better than you what the tactical situation is.

    He is there.

    You aren’t.

    It’s getting late and this is my Friday, :em94: ,so I’m going take “You aren’t.” as directed at a general someone other than me.

  67. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Fixed.

  68. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Thanks, just be more careful in the future. G-d I hate friendly fire….and assholes that don’t read the whole post before firing off a “great” counter post that missed what the crux of the argument was.

    To often I see people posting in response to one line out of paragraphs of argument. Not the whole argument, just one thing that set them off.

    They usually admit they didn’t read the whole thing, but I look at that as cutting someone off in mid-sentence. If you haven’t heard them through, you don’t really know what the final point is going to be. If you don’t read the whole comment, you may miss that it was satire, or maybe it made some sense.

    Not directed at you Brendan, just a trend I see that has been pissing me off. I don’t mind invective with an argument otherwise I wouldn’t hang around here. I just don’t like invective without trying to state your side.

  69. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Not directed at you Brendan, just a trend I see that has been pissing me off. I don’t mind invective with an argument otherwise I wouldn’t hang around here. I just don’t like invective without trying to state your side.

    [Misha accent] I shall endeavour to be more circumspect in my peregrinations[/Misha accent]

    (I am SO busted when he sees that… :) )

  70. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    (I am SO busted when he sees that… :) )

    “Busted” is a rather mild description of your imminent fate, young padawan, but since this is a family-oriented site, I shall graciously refrain from going into further detail here.

  71. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry actually went to a war. Bush hung out in a Champaigne Unit and it can never be proved that he actually showed up for part of it.

    Actually, DJ, Clinton was the one to whom I was referring, but Kerry will do. I was in the service during ‘Nam, but I did not go to war. I was USAF. Does that make my service any less credible? News flash…not every member of every branch of service goes to war. That does not make them less credible.

    You very likely couldn’t prove that I showed up for any part of it, either, except that I got an honorable discharge (as did Bush).

    Edit: for further clarification, I just checked my DD Form 214. I joined up in 1974; sorry it wasn’t earlier, DJ, so I could do my time as a combat vet, but I wasn’t born until Eisenhower and didn’t graduate till ‘72.

    So I caught the tail end of the war. Hubby, though, joined up in ‘69. HE didn’t go to war either, but ended up spending 20 years protecting this country.

  72. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    I seriously doubt that there is anyone who has alleged that Dubya shot himself in the ass to get a Purple Heart and a ticket home, either.

  73. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry actually went to a war. Bush hung out in a Champaigne Unit and it can never be proved that he actually showed up for part of it.

    Now DJ hauls out the FAKE Killian memos.??? :em98:

  74. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    But of course.

    I mean, if I were a rich boy with lots of strings to pull, the very first thing I’d do would be to volunteer for a unit flying rickety old death traps and then, once in the unit, apply for a transfer so I could get the additional safety and piece of mind associated with flying the rocket-propelled lawn darts over Indian Country.

    Makes perfect sense to me. Not.

  75. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ once again pretends to understand more than his betters:

    Except when Congress puts restrictions on the military’s purse. THEN they have to report to Congress in order to get the money. The president does not control the money, Congress does.

    Either you’re more of an idiot than I thought or - more likely - deliberately misusing terms. Yes, Congress controls spending, and the military does indeed give testimony in regard to appropriations. That is not the same thing as ‘reporting’ to Congress. Given your obvious lack of military experience I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and chalk it up to mere ignorance on your part. (Nonetheless I strongly suspect this is a Freudian slip reflecting your deep desire for Congress to have direct command of the military - so long as it’s a Libtard dominated Congress, that is.)

    In case you want the language of the law, here it is:

    Yes, let’s look at that; since you’re the one quoting it as an authoritative source, it’s fair to assume you won’t quibble with the plain language. Whether you’ll admit to the logically consistent meaning is highly debatable, liberals being as they are the masters of self-serving ‘nuance.’

    (3) Testimony before congress.—Prior to the submission of the President’s second report on September 15, 2007, and at a time to be agreed upon by the leadership of the Congress and the Administration,

    Hmmm… “at a time agreed upon by … Congress and the Administration” - it’s almost as if the Ambassador and Gen. Petraeus don’t make their own arrangements to appear but are acting as subordinates to someone else. I wonder who that could be?

    the United States Ambassador to Iraq and the Commander, Multi-National Forces Iraq will be made available to testify in open and closed sessions before the relevant committees of the Congress.

    There’s another odd phrase - “made available.” Were these folks making independent testimony, they would be appearing on their own recognizance; instead someone is supposed to ‘make them available.’ Why, who could that be?

    You seem to be under the false impression, DJ, that Petraeus and other commanders are not making constant reports to the President already, which would presumably be used in preparing the President’s report to Congress - not to mention that niggling ongoing oversight as C-in-C which he’s already doing. Do you honestly think that Petraeus is going to spring something on Congress which he hasn’t already discussed with the President? You also seem to be under the false impression that the subordinate testimony to Congress will be, or should be, some kind of ‘independent report.’

    Just a guess, but it seems you’re almost desperate for a Wesley Clark moment where Petraeus publicly disputes with and attempts to humiliate his own Commander in Chief for political gain; and if you don’t get it, to denigrate and demonize someone whose experience and expertise in the matter FAR EXCEEDS yours and mine put together. It may have escaped your notice that Clark was relieved of command for insubordination; quite frankly, he could have and IMAO should have been court-martialed.

  76. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    Dj shows symptoms of BDS again:

    The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry actually went to a war. Bush hung out in a Champaigne Unit and it can never be proved that he actually showed up for part of it.

    Fun fact: Bush’s unit had a higher casualty rate than Kerry’s. Why don’t you try flying an F-102 yourself before putting down the people who risked their lives in it? While you’re at it, you might want to consider how much you need to ’show up’ to learn how to fly one of those things.

    More fun facts:

    * Kerry applied for a draft deferment (which was turned down); Bush never did.

    * Kerry signed up for Naval *RESERVE* hoping he wouldn’t see combat - not that I blame him, but that isn’t exactly mentioned by his drooling flunkies, is it?

    * Bush repeatedly requested combat assignment; granted this wasn’t likely given that he was flying a strategic rather than a tactical fighter, but he did ask.

    * Kerry spent the first year of his service pushing papers aboard a destroyer SITTING AT ANCHOR. Bush spent his first year of service flying one of the most dangerous (to the pilot) aircraft ever deployed.

    * It’s true Bush missed most of the last year or so of his service term, mostly because they had NOTHING for him to do. The unit was re-equipping with a different craft and there wasn’t time to re-train the pilots. (FYI I was in the Guard and we had occasional ‘dead enders’ who existed mostly on paper; this isn’t common, but neither is it special privilege.)

    * Kerry spent the last year or so of his term colluding with the enemy after ‘punching his ticket’ with Purple Hearts he recommended to himself - leaving his ‘Band of Brothers’ to sweat it out without him. This is the most important fact: BUSH NEVER TURNED TRAITOR.

  77. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Duke:

    Minor, but I thought that Dubya flew the F106. This was, IIRC, an uprated, highly modified, F102 intended as a high speed Bomber interceptor.

    Of course, I could be just having a “senior moment” . . .

  78. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    The interesting thing about Conservatives over the past thirty years is the uncanny way they have of accusing Liberals of something that they themselves do.

    What was that thread about pop ‘em if they lie? Both sides. And the liberals are open in their desire to destroy America, so they’re good, right? Treason WAS (at least) punishable by death. Time for implementation?

    The difference between Bush and Kerry is that Kerry actually went to a war. Bush hung out in a Champaigne Unit and it can never be proved that he actually showed up for part of it.

    And Kerry pulled a large number of bullshit scams to get the hell out of country. His first tour was spent offshore sucking an Admirals ass. I don’t need to bring up the truths that were revealed, do I? W was the son of the head of the CIA. He COULDN’T go if he wanted to, in the interests of national security. But he did try, and he flew jets. That takes a hell of a lot more gumption than a pt boat, eh? Come on DJ. You can’t be drinking the koolaid too. I thought you were too smart for that. I gave you credit for the intelligence you present so often. And we don’t need to be taking shots at each other. We NEED to protect America from her enemies. Foreign AND domestic . See #76. Good facts.

  79. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    cmblake and wil

    I think you two, especially, will love this case of BDS and the excellent smackdown which occurs. This sweet young thing should have done her homework before she made herself look so stupid…with her name there for the entire net to see.

    It really bothers me that a coward like George W. Bush spent the Vietnam War training to fly old and useless planes in Texas while John Kerry was heroically risking his life in combat and got three purple hearts!
    - question from Jennifer Braun

    George W. Bush’s military service began in 1968 when he enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard after graduating with a bachelor’s degree in history from Yale University. The aircraft he was ultimately trained to fly was the F-102 Delta Dagger, popularly known as “the Deuce.” The F-102 may have been old but was far from useless, and it continued to serve in large numbers with both Air Force and Air National Guard units well into the 1970s. Furthermore, the F-102 was deployed to Vietnam throughout most of the conflict, and the aircraft proved its value early by deterring North Vietnamese pilots from crossing the border to attack the South. Perhaps more importantly, the F-102 and its Air National Guard pilots performed a vital role in defending the continental United States from nuclear attack.

    Now, I don’t know if what he says about the 102 is correct, and there’s MUCH more on the site about it, but the first part was priceless!

  80. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    by LC Wil:

    Minor, but I thought that Dubya flew the F106. This was, IIRC, an uprated, highly modified, F102 intended as a high speed Bomber interceptor.

    Entirely possible - sources at hand say F-102 or F-102A; but it may be a distinction only Air Force folks would notice. I polished boots, not wings.

  81. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Duke:

    Like I said, it was just a senior moment - Looks like you were correct, as he did train and fly the -102A.

    Both were seriously hot rides, and not for the faint-of-heart. The discription our benevolent Imperor uses, “rocket propelled lawn dart,” would apply to both.

  82. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Leoni RE #65 Thanks for the correction. You are of course correct. For some reason I always seem to get The Widlerness and Cold Harbor confused. In fact, ‘61-63 is my favorite area of study for the Civil War. I have really neglected studying Grant and Sherman’s period.

  83. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2004/08/bush_and_the_f1.html

    Via Mudville Gazette I am led to The Donovan and thus to this:

    Even in peacetime conditions, F-102 pilots risked their lives on every flight. Only highly-qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left little room for mistakes. According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, much higher than the average for today’s combat aircraft.

    For example, the F-16 has an accident rate of 4.14, the F-15 is at 2.47, the F-117 at 4.07, the S-3 at 2.6, and the F-18 at 4.9. Even the Marine Corps’ AV-8B, regarded as the most dangerous aircraft in US service today, has a lifetime accident rate of only 11.44 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush’s tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.

    Now, doing some very preliminary calculations, total US deaths in Vietnam were of the order of 50,000 out of a total of 2.6 million who served, or roughly 2%.
    OK, how many pilots were trained to fly the F-102? 875 planes entered service, and from other figures in the same article we can see it was two years of training and three years of flying for a five year enlistment period (that’s assuming that everyone did the minimum Air National Guard sign up, not career military. No draftees were ever taught to fly.).

    OK, and the plane was around from 1956 to 1974. OK, that’s an 18 year period and three years active service each pilot gives us 5,250 pilots trained on that bird. (This is a very rough figure. Very rough indeed.

    Anyone who wants to help please do so. I’m assuming only one pilot per bird at a time, which may or may not be true.

    I’m also assuming all birds in service for the entire span which is absurdly untrue, but one will underestimate the number of pilots, the other will overestimate. If anyone actually knows the exact number trained to fly the F-102 let me know and I can change the calculation.)

    So, 5,250 pilots and 70 deaths means a death rate of: 1.3%.

    Jeez. The lousy damn coward. He went and hid in a unit, one which had active service members actually in Vietnam, one where the death rate in training and peacetime from accident alone was damn nearly the same as active service in Vietnam for all troops.

    Sheesh

    Allyn: Would you like me to show you a picture of the cockpit of the plane he flew?