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Having wiped the storage lube off Lyudmila, thoroughly inspected her from top to bottom, cleaned her and re-lubed her, it was time to pick her up and see if she was as good at what she’s supposed to do as we had hoped, so we picked her up and took her to the range.

Of course, in our eagerness to get there, we forgot the damn camera, so no pics this time. Sorry.

Anyway, once there and safely installed (after having beaten off hordes of locals who wanted to drool on her), we loaded up 20 and ran a target out to about 12 yards, just to see if they’d sighted her in at all. We knew they’d test fired her at the factory, because the bolt was nasty when we stripped her at home.

Of course, when we say “nasty”, we’re using the standards beaten into us over a number of years by slightly nuts army instructors, standards that hadn’t been modified since Frederick the Great, which means that “nasty” is expressed as “you can’t perform open heart surgery with it, so it’s not clean ENOUGH! Now do it AGAIN, you worthless, disgrace to the uniform, barely worth wasting air on, piece of civilian shit who somehow managed to sneak past the entry exam to fuck up my army knucklehead!”

We’re told that it builds character.

To anybody else (i.e. at least marginally sane), it was perfectly serviceable and cleaned in a quite adequate fashion, but old habits just will not be denied. I could almost hear dear old Sar’ Major screaming into my ears.

At any rate, we knew it had been test fired, but we didn’t know if it had been sighted in, and, trust us, there’s nothing fun about letting off your first round and shooting up the range equipment because no sighting has been done. Not only is it embarrassing, it also gets awfully expensive in a hurry.

So I found a suitably low point of aim, front sight, squeeze and sent the first round downrange to see where in the world it would end up.

Much to my delight, it ended up just where I expected it to go, based on my training. Exactly on a vertical line running through my point of aim and about 2-3″ low, which is precisely where the POI (point of impact) should be at about 12 yds when using the 200m rear sight setting. Whoever did the sighting at JLD knew what he was doing, kudos to them.

I also noticed that they must have improved the recoil mechanism (also, I know that they’ve added a heavier match barrel to it, but you won’t find me complaining about THAT), because the kick wasn’t near as noticeable as with the original, and trust me, I know exactly how the original kicks. At first I thought it might just be a fluke, but it was the same for all of the other shots fired that day. Sure, you can certainly feel that it’s a .308 and not, say, a .223, that’s the price you pay for the added punch of the manly round, but it’s far from “flinch-inducing”, and I remember that clearly as one of the problems we had to struggle with with the original G3. Sure, you get over the “here-it-comes” pre-shot urge to flinch after a while, but with the PTR91 it isn’t even an issue.

Of course, if you’ve never ever fired a big round from a battle rifle before, your experience will most likely be different. But if you’re familiar with the original, you’ll be pleasantly surprised at how comparatively “gentle” she is.

Obviously, that also means that the rifle doesn’t jerk as much and that target re-acquisition becomes that much easier.

Also, the trigger is very nice. Yes, I know that some people bitch and whine about the 10-11 lbs pull, but it’s a BATTLE rifle, not a hunting rifle. If you want, I’ve read that a competent gun smith can modify it to be more to your liking but, as to myself, I don’t mind one little bit. Of course, I’m used to it, I expect it to be that way, and my opinion is therefore obviously biased. If you want it modified, go ahead and do so. As to myself: Nope. I like it just the way it is.

Regarding the things that really matter, the trigger has quite a bit of uptake (again, it’s a battle rifle), and it breaks nice and crisp. No creep, no grittiness, it just breaks, which certainly wasn’t always the case with the Army Issue version. Misha likes!

Suitably impressed with the first shot, it was time to do some real shooting, so I ran the target out to 25 yards (which is as far as it’ll go at that particular range, we’ll have to do proper sighting on her later but, judging by the job that JLD did, we don’t much think that we’ll need to do much if anything at all about that) and got ready to shoot a regular group.

This particular rifle has the same POI at 30m and 200m (according to H&K milspecs, which JLD follow religiously), so ideally I would want the target to be at approximately 32 yds when using the 200m rear sight setting, which is the one Her Majesty’s Army teaches you to you use for sighting in. I couldn’t, since the range is too short, but that just meant that I had to expect my groups to be about 1″ low. No biggie.

Since I wasn’t really sighting her, I let rip with a three-round group without being anal about aiming. In other words, I fired her exactly as I would fire my old G3 in a controlled rapid fire situation: Pick a good point of aim, forget about breathing techniques, eliminate the uptake in the trigger, and let loose deliberately with a quick pull when the sights coincide with your point of aim. In other words: Deliberately ignore everything you’ve ever learned about “half-breaths” and squeezing until the shot surprises you. Conscious, aimed rapid fire.

I wanted to know how accurate she was when firing her as I would if I had to fire her in a hairy situation and, of course, how I was trained to fire the original in order to be able to compare the two. Proper, careful, by-the-book shooting techniques are great if you’re in a competition, if you’re a sniper, if you’re hunting, and they’re positively OBLIGATORY if you’re sighting your gun, any gun. There’s a good reason why those techniques are taught and why you should learn them (and learn them WELL before you start learning how to do rapid fire), but I wanted to see how well she performed if I pushed her and myself. Besides, if she shoots well under those conditions, you can bet your life that she’ll perform even better if you go through the full precision fire drill.

So, in other words: “Aim, shoot, re-aquire, shoot, re-acquire, shoot.” *Bang, bang, bang*, all over in a matter of seconds.

Seeing as how it’s been quite a while since I shot a G3/HK 91, I wasn’t exactly expecting much when I ran the target back to inspect it. If you don’t use it, you lose it and all that. Not to mention that the last (and only) time I’d ever fired a rifle like this since leaving Her Majesty’s Service (an HK 91 generously loaned to me over here), I hadn’t exactly impressed anybody, least of all myself.

To say that I was pleasantly surprised would be an understatement.

Three shots, one hole 1/2″ in diameter horizontally (all three side-by-side), EXACTLY as much below the point of aim as it SHOULD be at 25 yds using a 200m setting on the rear sight. I already knew that I won’t have to adjust the horizontal sighting later, but now I also don’t expect to have to do much if anything about the elevation. The middle of the three shot group was exactly on a vertical line through the point of aim (most likely the first shot, since that’s always the best one).

Back when I shot those rifles all the time, I would’ve called that a good grouping. Now, after years of not firing one, I was very, very impressed. Not with myself, but with the rifle. It was certainly one HECK of a lot better than anything I did with the HK 91 that I borrowed and put about 140 rounds through, so this rifle shoots at least as well, if not better, than the original. It CERTAINLY shoots better than I do. Slap a scope on this baby and she’s not merely lethal, she’s downright scary.

Of course, that was just the first impression, but it didn’t change as I went through several more groups. They were all well below an inch and most of them below half an inch. At the end of the day, after 40 rounds (at which point I finally started feeling some of that old “G3 shoulder”, but nothing near what I’m used to), there was one ragged hole in the target about 2 inches across with a couple of fliers sprinkled around it for good measure, and that was WITH adjusting the point of aim for elevation.

I had, of course, read tons of reviews before I slapped down my hard-earned and scarce cash for this one, so I’d already heard about the improved accuracy and gentler recoil of JLD’s version, but I’m never convinced until I’ve tried one myself. Reviews are great to aid you in your purchase but, at the end of the day, it’s how YOU feel about a rifle (or any other firearm) that really matters. And, on top of that, having fired G-d knows how many thousands of rounds through the original German version in the service, I know that I’m most likely going to have a different take on it from somebody to whom it’s “just another rifle.”

If anything, I’m biased in favor of the original because that’s the one I slept with, cared for and shot until every little part and quirk of her was as familiar to me as my own body.

Still, with all that in mind, I have to admit that the JLD version is an improvement to a design that was already perfect, as far as I’m concerned, and I never thought I’d utter those words.

Summary:

Pros:
If you’re familiar with the G3/HK 91, shooting, care and maintenance is second nature to you with this rifle. Everything is where it should be (one exception noted below).

The trigger group on the PTR 91 is, if anything, better than the original.

The accuracy is easily as good, if not indeed better, than the original, probably due to the match barrel that they fit on it. Basically, the PTR 91 is a sniper rifle disguised as an ordinary battle rifle. It was already the case with the G3, and it is even more apparent with the JLD version.

Since it is made to exact H&K specs, anything that will fit a G3/HK 91 will fit on the PTR 91. Keeping in mind that it is a foreign rifle, this makes owning one a lot less of a hassle, parts-wise and mod-wise than, say, a CETME. The only exception to the rule is that full-auto trigger groups won’t fit, but they won’t fit an HK 91 either. Blame the BATF. Besides, unless you really like wasting ammo or are a Class III License holder, you don’t really need a full-auto version of it. It’s just as effective (and perfectly legal) to just throw your ammo in the trash, because you won’t hit anything after the first round.

The recoil (again compared to the original) is much gentler on your shoulder, leading to less pain and, more importantly, the ability to put more lead accurately on target in less time.

The G3 family of rifles is easily as reliable as the AKs, but they’re a lot more accurate. You can abuse the fuck out of those things (not that you’d want to), and they’ll still deliver one bang per trigger pull, and the only malf I’ve ever seen over the years that wasn’t due to crappy ammo (and trust me, you’ve got a LOT of leeway on that too) was because the optional ejector port “brass catcher” was too far forward, leading to a stove pipe taking all of five seconds to clear. It’s not like you need to catch your spent brass anyway (see the “cons” below as to why).

The diopter iron sights. They’re about as intuitive and precise as you can get. They don’t have the fine adjustment abilities that, say, the M1A has, but they’ll do the job and do it quickly. There is some debate whether the “all-peephole” design of the new JLD sights or the “V-notch for 100m” is the better one, and I tend to lean towards the “all-peephole” design, but that’s about it. And you can get both.

Cons:

7.62×51 isn’t near as cheap as it used to be, nor as abundant. It’s still not prohibitively expensive, though, and this rifle is a LOT more forgiving about “off-brand” rounds than most other rifles out there. If you’re worried about corrosive primers when looking for a good deal, keep in mind that corrosiveness has a lot to do with lazy morons not bothering to clean their rifles after shooting them. Pull a soaked bore snake through it a couple of times immediately after shooting and you’ll be good. You can always do the detail cleaning later if you really don’t have the time right now.

I’ve gotten used to it because of my familiarity with the design, but the safety IS placed awkwardly by objective standards. JLD have improved a lot on that by using a Navy Type (narrower) pistol grip, but you still have to wiggle your trigger hand a bit to reach it unless you have really big hands.

The button mag release design as opposed to the original G3 paddle release is a pain in the keister. They did this to make full-auto trigger groups incompatible with the “civilian” version, but it’s still a pain in the arse. What’s worse, the button is on the right side, which means that you have to (if you’re not a south paw) move your hand from the grip and trigger to release the mag. I’ve heard that there are legal ways to change that without having to talk to a gunsmith (or breaking the law), but I haven’t been able to find that online yet. Every other civilian G3 clone has this problem too.

It doesn’t have a “bolt open on empty mag” function. I don’t worry about that, because I was trained to change mags whenever I had the chance, plus I learned real quick how to feel that the rifle wasn’t feeding a round. It’s a thing to keep in mind, though.

It doesn’t have a forward assist. This isn’t a huge problem, since it is German engineering, so you don’t need one. If you have a round in the magazine, it will feed, you don’t ever have to help it unless you’re a complete fuckhead, or the factory that made it screwed up completely on one of the simplest designs in the history of firearms.

It’s not an AR-15, which means that you won’t be finding spare parts in 7-11s. Seriously, though, it’s nowhere near as “pimpable” as an AR-15. You can find all manner of mods if you look hard enough, but it’s not as easy as finding parts for the AR-15 and, what’s worse, if you DO find them (which isn’t impossible by a long shot), they’re likely to be a bit more expensive. JLD have done a lot to make this less of an issue by making sure that their version will accept any part from the G3/HK 91 (excepting the full-auto trigger group), but it’s still something to keep in mind.

Sight adjustments: If you’ve got the original German rear sights (which I do), sighting in is a pain in the arse unless you’ve got the H&K tool. It’s by no means impossible, but it’s a pain in the arse. For some weird reason, JLD has decided to not include this tool with rifles using the original design. Happily, new rear sights are readily available (the only difference being that the new ones are diopter sights at ALL settings and don’t require special tools) and, like I said, adjusting elevation on the original G3 sights isn’t impossible, you just need a pair of needle-nose pliers. It’s still a hassle that the consumer shouldn’t have to deal with, however…

Reloaders beware: If you’re a reloader, you don’t want this rifle or anything in the same family of rifles. The G3 ejection design mangles the brass beyond recognition. I’m not a reloader, however, so this doesn’t matter one bit to me. But I’d be amiss if I didn’t mention it.

Conclusion:

All in all, I’d say that JLD have managed to produce a wonderful battle rifle true to original specs, a weapon that is every bit as reliable as its pre-decessor and, if anything, MORE accurate than the original.

Add “a third of the price” to that and it is my firm opinion that you’ve got a winner.

46 Responses to “Damn, This Thing is a Beaut! (PTR 91, First Impressions)”
  1. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Of course, in our eager to get there, we forgot the damn camera, so no pics this time. Sorry.

    Ah, ya big tease…

    Oh, and my quarterly first. :-)

  2. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Ah, another addition to the family. It gets me all choked up when ever the second amendment is exercised by a fellow American. My you use it in health.

  3. juandos Comment by juandos

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    Good info here… Thanks Misha for posting it…

  4. Old Dog Comment by Old Dog

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    With Great envy I say congratulations. You lucky sucker. :furious_tb: But of course. :clap_tb:

  5. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Having wiped the storage lube off Lyudmila, thoroughly inspected her from top to bottom, cleaned her and re-lubed her,

    damn, sounds like a mail-order bride from Belarus.

  6. juandos Comment by juandos

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    From the Cincinnati Enquirer:

    The man who crashed into former Democratic congressional candidate Paul Hackett’s fence in November was convicted Wednesday for causing the damage.

    Eric Fee, 18, of Green Township, pleaded no contest to charges of failing to maintain reasonable control and driving with a suspended driver’s license.

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    In the meantime, the crash prompted Hackett, 44, to get his rifle and track down the car, which was leaking radiator fluid.

    When the car stopped in a driveway on Keller Road, Hackett got out of his pickup with his rifle and ordered the teens to get out.

    Hackett told police that he maintained a distance of 15 to 20 feet and never pointed the weapon at the boys. He said the safety was on the entire time.

    A Hamilton County grand jury investigated the case. Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters determined Friday that Hackett did nothing wrong.

    Hmmm, if this had been Misha instead, a known conservative does anyone think this prosecutor would’ve done the samething?

    Serious question… What would’ve happened where you live Misha?

  7. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    As one PTR-91 owner to another: You’ve made a choice you’ll never regret, Emperor. Yes, there are some ergonomic and other issues with the design, but if there’s anything more reliable than the H&K system (including the AK line) the world has yet to hear of it.

    And we haven’t even started talking about accuracy…

  8. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    7.62×51 isn’t near as cheap as it used to be, nor as abundant. It’s still not prohibitively expensive, though, and this rifle is a LOT more forgiving about “off-brand” rounds than most other rifles out there.

    Here’s a camparison of the 7.62 x51 with the .308.
    Yep, there’s a diff’ that could cause dissapointment if a wannabe thrifty shooter doesn’t pay attention to the headspacing.

    Here’s an ammo/gun auction house, kinda e-bayish but lot’s of stuff moving fast.
    Alllll kinds of ammo, some incendiary and AP.

  9. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    Misha those uttaruk trackbacks are all spam.

    Glad you like the gun tho.

    RH

  10. MasterGuns Comment by MasterGuns

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    Baptize her well…..perhaps her and my FN-FAL can get together and make us a baby.

    Gun control is being able to hit your target

    Semper Fi

  11. Empress Sofia Comment by Empress Sofia

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    It was a total joy watching Misha enjoy his present! Just like a kid on Christmas morning!! It makes me so happy to see my LOVE having such fun! I love you Misha!

  12. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit

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    I am totally jealous.

    And also looking out for cheap ammo. What are you paying per thousand right now?

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    See? I married well above my station. You may drool over the rifle as well as my choice in wife now. NO, you can’t have her. She’s mine, both of them.

    I added a mention in the “cons” for reloaders in the main post, by the way. I don’t care one bit because I don’t reload, which is why I forgot to mention it, but I don’t want somebody who Googles to this post at some point in the future to not be aware of this fact.

    If you reload, please note that this rifle and all the rifles like it will kill your brass.

    And also looking out for cheap ammo. What are you paying per thousand right now?

    Far too much. At the moment, the best offer I’ve seen (and they were sold out) was about $300/1000.

  14. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    As one PTR-91 owner to another: You’ve made a choice you’ll never regret, Emperor. Yes, there are some ergonomic and other issues with the design, but if there’s anything more reliable than the H&K system (including the AK line) the world has yet to hear of it.

    And we haven’t even started talking about accuracy…

    Too true, Moriarty, and I should’ve known that you’re “one of us.” As to the ergonomics, they’re all fixable. Of course, having “grown up” with it, they’re not as much of an issue to me as to others, but they’re definitely fixable. JLD did a great job ditching the original grip and putting a Navy style one on it, by the way.

    As to the rest: Having carried and fired its “daddy” for years, I wasn’t expecting to be impressed at all, since that was the Gold Standard, as far as I was concerned. So I was every bit as surprised as I was pleased to find out that somebody had actually managed to improve on what I already considered the perfect battle rifle.

  15. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Of course, in our eager to get there, we forgot the damn camera, so no pics this time. Sorry.

    Well, SHIT, PISS and INDUSTRIAL WASTE!

    Majesty, yer a fucking tease.

    Of course, when we say “nasty”, we’re using the standards beaten into us over a number of years by slightly nuts army instructors, standards that hadn’t been modified since Frederick the Great, which means that “nasty” is expressed as “you can’t perform open heart surgery with it, so it’s not clean ENOUGH! Now do it AGAIN, you worthless, disgrace to the uniform, barely worth wasting air on, piece of civilian shit who somehow managed to sneak past the entry exam to fuck up my army knucklehead!”

    I knew that same Drill Sergeant! What a coinkidink!

    Also, the trigger is very nice. Yes, I know that some people bitch and whine about the 10-11 lbs pull, but it’s a BATTLE rifle, not a hunting rifle. If you want, I’ve read that a competent gun smith can modify it to be more to your liking but, as to myself, I don’t mind one little bit. Of course, I’m used to it, I expect it to be that way, and my opinion is therefore obviously biased. If you want it modified, go ahead and do so. As to myself: Nope. I like it just the way it is

    As a U.S. Army trained armorer and small arms repairman (-30 level, for those who understand what that means), the very best way to improve the trigger pull of a true battle rifle is to make it work for a living. That is, make noise. Shoot it. —- Somewhere about 3 - 4 k rounds downrange, and that “nasty” 10 - 11 pound trigger pull will be a glass smooth 8 - 9 pound pull. Yes, a COMPETENT (damn rare, those) gunsmith can get that down to about 6 - 7. So what? As you say, this is a battle rifle. BTW, unless you do something real stoooopid, that sudden sear break will be there for the next 60 - 75 thousand rounds, at which point you may have to ask someone who knows what he is doing to square off the sear engagement.

    Besides, unless you really like wasting ammo or are a Class III License holder, you don’t really need a full-auto version of it.

    I agree. For about 99.995% of the time, full auto is just pissing in the wind, and / or a fun toy. One small, minor caviat: on the few occasions when you NEED full auto, you usually need it real bad, right fucking now. The fire discipline required is a stone biotch to teach, though, and overall, not worth the trouble in most cases.

    7.62×51 isn’t near as cheap as it used to be, nor as abundant

    I know. Pick up a couple of cases of cheap Lake City when you get a chance, and STORE IT in a dry location for EMERGENCIES. Use the really cheep furrin’ shit for practice, and learn to reload. 7.62 milspec ammo is really easy to duplicate and roll yer own, and a forgiving round to learn with, 50K psi limit and all. 150 Grain soft point at 2600 feet per second will just natural born fuck up anyone’s or anything’s day out to 250 yards (minimum) that you will find on the North American continent. Don’t use it to hunt anything that hunts back, otherwise, it’ll do.

    Boss, ya got a winner. Take care of it, and the great grandson will still be shooting it. Thanks for sharing, and I trust we will fix that little “fergot the camera” problem next time…

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    Empress:

    It was a total joy watching Misha enjoy his present! Just like a kid on Christmas morning!! It makes me so happy to see my LOVE having such fun! I love you Misha!

    Don’t spoil him too much! He’ll get overconfident. All women know to keep us guessing.

  16. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    See? I married well above my station.

    Don’t all of us guys get better than we deserve?

    My congratulations to the BOTH of you. Health, happiness, long life, etc.

  17. Empress Sofia Comment by Empress Sofia

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    Don’t spoil him too much! He’ll get overconfident. All women know to keep us guessing

    Really I dont spoil him half as much as he spoils me! And definitely not even close to what he deserves!! As far as keeping him guessing…. heh he’s always guessing about me!

  18. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Being female, Empress, you have an inherent advantage. And Misha is way to smart not to know that. I’ve been married to my gal for twenty-six years now, and I’m still befuddled. :question_wp:
    But I play with my toys too, in the garage, building things. Or shooting them at the range with my wife. She can match me with the rifle, but I’m better with the pistol….so far.

  19. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    juandos - around the Cincinnati area, people aren’t all that liberal. It’s actually relatively conservative. I really don’t know what someone like Hackett is doing around here. As long as there were no shots fired, it’s not likely that anyone was going to get into trouble for stopping someone to hold him for the police.

  20. NCLivingBrit Comment by NCLivingBrit

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    You are going to cost me money Boss, that PTR 91 KPF is awful tempting.

    I found the HK G3 style folding stocks to be very comfortable and stylish too.

    No luck on the ammo though, I checked the ones I know about, most are out and the other two wante $29X and shipping.

    If I find better, I’ll quietly clue you in :)

  21. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    OT: Ajaxified Expanded Posts are back!

    In case anyone is interested, the complete list of Plugins used on this site is located here

  22. memoryleak Comment by memoryleak

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    Ok, Misha boss man, I’ve got the JLD website open in another tab (now bookmarked); which model did you choose?, curious minds and atleast one anxious buyer wants to know. The Peoples Republic of Maryland now is back to to its true blue state staus with Demorats running the whole show and I need me another evil assault rifle before they pass their AWB. :guns_tb:

  23. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    Don’t do that again.

    Having wiped the storage lube off Lyudmila, thoroughly inspected her from top to bottom, cleaned her and re-lubed her,

    I had to take a black shower and drink a cold cup of coffee after reading that.

  24. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone

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    I had to take a black shower and drink a cold cup of coffee after reading that.

    Better self control than me, bro.

  25. Tom The Impaler Comment by Tom The Impaler

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    Have you got a link to the factory website yer lordship? I think I’d like to look over their toys myself. I’ll try not to drool on the keyboard.

  26. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Tom the Impaler:

    GO HERE:

    Look under “products”

    Damn - now I have to decide which one I can’t live without…

  27. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    There’s one goin by right now,,

    There’s a search window in the site’s home, just type your heart’s desire,, busy place.

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    I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of that gun. :D

    On a more serious note I’d appreciate it if you could all say a prayer for me; tomorrow or Monday I plan on firing off a few choice words to the buttheads at the Daily Kos who say Boston “overreacted” to this week’s bomb scare.

  29. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Ok, Misha boss man, I’ve got the JLD website open in another tab (now bookmarked); which model did you choose?

    The 91F, because I had to choose ONE, and that’s the one that is the closest to the original (it’s also the model going at Gunbroker that Cheapshot is linking to, although at that price you can get one anywhere). Also, I figured that if I wanted to pimp my ride later (and yes, those collapsing stocks ARE purdy), I can always get the parts and swap them back and forth later.

  30. juandos Comment by juandos

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    WayneB (#19) says: “ around the Cincinnati area, people aren’t all that liberal. It’s actually relatively conservative. I really don’t know what someone like Hackett is doing around here“…

    Thanks for that info… I was really curious about that situation…

  31. juandos Comment by juandos

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    I’m curious if anyone else has visited or even bought from the following site: Dead Bang Guns & Automatics

  32. juandos Comment by juandos

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    Damn, This Thing is a Beaut! (PTR 91, First Impressions)

    And to think that for just a few bucks more :lol_wp: Misha could’ve grabbed one of these puppies

  33. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Can it get any better Sire?

  34. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Can it get any better Sire?

    Possibly, but I don’t think that would be anatomically feasible.

  35. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Serious question… What would’ve happened where you live Misha?

    Sorry I didn’t notice your question until now, Juandos.

    I honestly don’t know, since there have been no similar incidents that I can remember. I suspect, however, that there is a fair amount of “one rule for me, and another for thee” involved, since I don’t see any crime committed, no property stolen etc., and it might not have gone down the same way if it hadn’t been one of the self-anointed royalty waving the rifle around.

    That being said, I PERSONALLY believe that Hackett did nothing wrong. He had no way of knowing who the occupants of the vehicle were, what they were up to and how they might react, so I don’t see anything unreasonable in him bringing a weapon. I certainly would have, although I wouldn’t have brought a rifle. They’re just not the best choice for that sort of situation.

    I would, however, love to see how the gun-grabbing socialists who love him would defend his actions.

  36. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Possibly, but I don’t think that would be anatomically feasible.

    Well you did wipe all the lube off of her, so I guess you have a point there Sire. :tongue3_tb:

  37. juandos Comment by juandos

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    I suspect, however, that there is a fair amount of “one rule for me, and another for thee” involved, since I don’t see any crime committed, no property stolen etc., and it might not have gone down the same way if it hadn’t been one of the self-anointed royalty waving the rifle around

    The reason I ask is that here in Missouri we’ve had a couple of similer incidents…

    In one county, St. Charles a man who’s mailbox was the recipient of mailbox baseball ended up with a suspended sentence and yet in Franklin county (right next door so to speak) another man who had the same situation was basically hailed as being involved with his community…

    In both cases there was no direct threat with a firearm and the police were called in both cases…

    I don’t get it but St. Charles has more than its share of libtards in various county offices…

  38. Unregistered Comment by jbuist

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    It doesn’t have a forward assist. This isn’t a huge problem, since it is German engineering, so you don’t need one. If you have a round in the magazine, it will feed, you don’t ever have to help it unless you’re a complete fuckhead.

    Interesting. I’ve owned a CETME for 3.5 years now and I’ve never fired it because I cannot get the darned thing to chamber a round. Heck, I can’t even the weapon to drop into battery without a round chambered unless I drop the pistol grip out of the thing and assist it with my finger from the bottom.

    Obviously something is wrong with the weapon, which isn’t surprising seeing as how it’s a hack job from the guys at Century.

    Any suggestions? Replace the recoil buffer spring? The rollers? Something else?

  39. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Misha, how hard is it to mount a scope on your rifle? Will it take a Picatinny rail? I assume it is pretty simple and secure, as the mfr. shows one on their site. This is one of the things I really hate about my M1-A; the mount adapter just sucks and will not stay tight unless I Devcon the POS in place. Take a look at
    http://www.nightforceoptics.com/
    and the 2.5×10 NXS. It’s got an illuminated reticle and is very compact. I have one and swear by it.

    Juandos, it seems to me (California) that Hackett’s ass is twisting in the breeze on a number of charges, like carrying a loaded weapon in a motor vehicle for starters. Of course, he’ll get celebrity treatment, i.e. walk. I don’t disagree in principle with protecting one’s property, but is it really worth it to risk shooting some asshole for a damaged fence? I know I don’t want to be downrange of Hackett’s last stand.

  40. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Any suggestions? Replace the recoil buffer spring? The rollers? Something else?

    Actually, I’d suggest sending the whole damn thing back to Century Arms and tell them to fix their junk, but if that’s not an option, then the recoil spring would be a good guess. Of course, it’s only a guess. It could be that the receiver got dinged or simply wasn’t made correctly in the first place, but since you CAN push it forward into battery, I’m not so sure that’s the case.

    When you slide the bolt back in after field stripping, does it slide into battery smoothly with a loud “click” at the end?

    If not, then the receiver doesn’t fit the bolt carrier (or you’re not using lube, but I’m not about to insult you by suggesting that), and it’s unlikely that a new recoil spring will fix that to your satisfaction.

    ADDENDUM: Speaking of lube, there’s one thing about this design that means you can unlearn everything you ever learned about “over-lubing.” You simply cannot over-lube the surface of the bolt carrier. Just don’t overdo the bolt itself, since it doesn’t need it and it only creates a mess for you to clean up later.

    Do the rollers roll freely and do they move effortlessly on the firing pin housing inside? (More specifically, once you re-assemble the bolt assembly and the bolt is all the way back toward the bolt carrier, can you move the bolt forward by simply pressing on the rollers?)

    Also, I’ll have to, in all fairness, amend my comment to read:

    …you don’t ever have to help it unless you’re a complete fuckhead, or the factory that made it screwed up completely on one of the simplest designs in the history of firearms.

  41. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Misha, how hard is it to mount a scope on your rifle? Will it take a Picatinny rail? I assume it is pretty simple and secure, as the mfr. shows one on their site.

    Yes.

    I haven’t tried one myself, but I’m told that the very reasonably priced Picatinny claw mounts out there mount quite well and quite easily.

    If you don’t feel like taking a chance on one of those (I believe that I’ve seen one as low as $49.95), you can get the official German STANAG mount (mil-surp) and add a Picatinny adapter to it, which is guaranteed to work, but it’s quite a bit more expensive.

  42. Unregistered Comment by jbuist

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    When you slide the bolt back in after field stripping, does it slide into battery smoothly with a loud “click” at the end?

    Yes.. slides in nicely at a 30-40 degree angle with just gravity assisting it.

    More specifically, once you re-assemble the bolt assembly and the bolt is all the way back toward the bolt carrier, can you move the bolt forward by simply pressing on the rollers?

    If I’m understanding you correctly, then the answer is no. Removing the bolt assembly from the rifle and whackin on the bolt so that its flush with the carrrier pushes the rollers out. I cannot move the bolt forward just by pushing inward on the rollers.

    However, that might just be a strength issue and my slippery hands from the rifle’s lube. If I insert the bolt carrier into the receiver backwards I can give the carrier a good whack and the rollers push in and the bolt pops back out.

    Sounds like I need to get off my duffer and drop in a new recoil spring.

    Thanks, Misha.

  43. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Yes.. slides in nicely at a 30-40 degree angle with just gravity assisting it.

    Good. That suggests that there’s nothing wrong with the bolt carrier/receiver fit.

    If I’m understanding you correctly, then the answer is no. Removing the bolt assembly from the rifle and whackin on the bolt so that its flush with the carrrier pushes the rollers out. I cannot move the bolt forward just by pushing inward on the rollers.

    Hmmm… You should be able to do that, even though slippery fingers and/or a tight fit might make it harder. At the very least if you put your fingers on the “rear” of the rollers (closest to the bolt carrier) and “squeeze forward”, kind of like you’d squeeze a tube of tooth paste, pushing forward and squeezing at the same time.

    If I insert the bolt carrier into the receiver backwards I can give the carrier a good whack and the rollers push in and the bolt pops back out.

    I hear my Sar’ Major screaming again :wink_ee:

    Oh yes, I’ve done that too with G3s that were a bit too tight (or when my fingers were near frozen from crawling around in the wonderful North European climate for too long). Careful about it, though, as it may put scratches and dents in the rollers over time from the receiver banging into them, which is not a Good Thing™. Of course, if you do need to replace the rollers at some point in the future, they’re dirt cheap.

    Speaking of rollers, I was going to mention making sure that the grooves in the receiver just before the chamber are clean and well-defined, but if you can slide the bolt into battery on gravity alone as you said, I don’t think that’s the problem.

    But those grooves ARE one of the very important bits when cleaning.

    Sounds like I need to get off my duffer and drop in a new recoil spring.

    Thanks, Misha.

    You’re welcome and yes, based on what you’ve told me, it sounds like that would be a good first step (and not a particularly expensive one either). Let me know how it turns out.

    P.S.: Just because I’ve been thinking like mad about what else could lead to a failure to feed properly: Does the hammer move back easily when you depress it manually (trigger group taken apart and all that)? It DOES take a bit of pressure to push it back against the spring, but it should be smooth and not particularly difficult. The reason I’m asking is that, if it is not the case, then the hammer could act as a brake on the bolt carrier when moving back and bleed it of the momentum necessary to feed the next round. Of course, this would NOT be an issue when you reload using the charging handle (which you told me doesn’t work either), so I highly doubt that this is the problem. Just to make sure that I’m covering all the bases here.

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    RE: lube. FWIW, do not overlubricate to the point there is free lubricant sloshing about the weapon’s internals. If you get lubricants in the trigger the weapon can go BANG when the bolt closes. Lubricate often, not heavily. If you do get stuff in the trigger, degrease it, blow it clean and then dunk it in lighter fluid (which has a teeny bit of light oil in it) and reassemble.

  45. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

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    Regharding stuck bolt rollers … remove the bolt, and re-install with the rollers held in … this will require you to maintain a gap between the bolt and the carrier, which will make it hard to turn the bolt. Wrap your sling around the bolt and use it like a strap-wrench.

    If the bolt won’t close all the way forward on cocking, try to avoid riding the cocking lever … pull it all the way back, and release it completely … do not push it off the hold open notch.

    If it still fails to go completely into battery, scrub out the interior of the receiver, and look for welds, bulges and other crap that are impeding the bolt, and either grind or pound them out.

    Be aware that the crack-addled-monkey-assembled CAI CETMEs often have a lot of left over grinding compound inside the bloody receiver … use two full cans of brake cleaner to blast all of the parts off.

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