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Found this at The Imperial BlogSis’ place, and though she covers it most excellently, we have to let off an Imperial vent as well, if for nothing else, then to get our Imperial Blood Pressure under control.

Schools Chancellor Joel Klein yesterday vowed to investigate a Queens high school policy that may have cost a teen girl her health.

Stand by, LCs, and remove any and all weapons and heavy, throwable objects, because you’re not going to fucking believe this:

The Daily News reported yesterday an official at Jamaica High School barred school deans from calling 911 in an emergency - just weeks before 14-year-old Mariya Fatima suffered a stroke her family says could have been less devastating.

Former Jamaica Assistant Principal Guy Venezia sent a memo to school deans on April 12 banning 911 calls “for any reason.”

Mariya began to vomit at school on April 27 and collapsed in the hall, but her family says help did not arrive until 90 minutes later.

So just how devastating was this outrage to be poor girl’s health?

Since her stroke, Mariya has had trouble walking. She has no use of her right hand, and her family says the 10th-grader is reading at a fifth-grade level.

So let’s recap: The subhuman ASSistant Principal, for reasons so far known only to his diseased, end stage syphilitic brain, bans 911 calls “for any reason”, leading to a poor young girl suffering a stroke having to wait for an hour and a half before help arrives. Summoned, presumably, by use of a carrier pigeon, smoke signals or semaphore from the school roof.

By now, we’re sure that you’re as dying to find out what inane, craptastically submoronic reason the ASSistant Principal had for denying medical aid to students in a medical emergency as we were. Bring on the Dumb Excuse Brigades™:

Mariya’s lawyer Gary Carlton blamed the pressure on principals to improve school safety - or at least to give the appearance that they had.

A 911 call leaves a paper trail that can’t be covered up, and Jamaica was already on the city’s list of most dangerous schools.

“This happened because statistics are more important than anyone’s life,” Carlton said.

And the Publik Skoool “Teachers’” Union, of course, concurs:

Teachers union President Randi Weingarten made a similar allegation. “This is a tragic result of what happens when everything comes down to data,” she said. “If there’s only a hammer when people report crime, then people are going to continue to hide their incidents.”

No, you stupid c*nt, this is a tragic result of what happens when subretarded wastes of skin who shouldn’t be allowed near any job requiring an IQ above 40 are instead hired on as teachers because such jobs don’t exist. But no, instead of placing the blame squarely where it belongs, namely on the shoulders of that simian sucknozzle ASSistant Principal, it’s time to “blame the syyyyyyyyyyyystem.” Fuck you, cow, and fuck your complete and utter lack of morals and professional ethics.

Is it any wonder why more and more people won’t trust you drooling, overpaid and underworked bipedal organisms of unknown usefulness with their children?

The city, most likely because parents have an interest in the subject, decide to run statistics of how many calls to 911 are placed by individual schools. I know, how horrible is that? It’s like the NSA rifling through your library records and spending all day listening to your phone conversations with your senile aunt Maple. But hey, who knows, maybe parents do have a right to know whether their children’s prospective school is home to cops on a more frequent basis than the local police station?

So the ASSistant Principal, hoping to cover up his cesspool of a “school’s” similarities with pre-Surge Anbar, decides to lie and game the system by banning 911 calls “for any reason”, presumably because he knows that parents don’t like sending their kids to Beirut for their education, and that if they don’t send any kids, then he’s out of a job. In other words, he made a choice between his paycheck and the safety of the children entrusted to his care, and the paycheck won.

And you, you inexcusably horrid bovine, immediately scream “it’s not his faaaaaaaault!, Blame the SYYYYYYSTEM!!!”

Is the ban still in effect? If so, I assume that, were a particularly enraged citizen to show up on school grounds with an AK-47, intent on conducting a little staff “review” with an eye to “relocation” of particularly daft staffers (downwards, to someplace very nice and hot, if you must have a hint), then “no 911 calls for any reason” would still apply?

Great. Sounds like fun.

DJ’s UPDATE:

I found a copy of the second memo where the second line had been changed from

“All Deans are prohibited from making 911 calls for any reason”  

to

“All Deans are sanctioned to make 911 calls”

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51 Responses to “Great Moments in Publik “Educayshun””
  1. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Ho-Ly Fuck. I hope, if nothing else, this asshat gets a criminal charge against him. Like, abuse and neglect. (I dunno, I’m not a lawyer, but I do believe that, since the school is “in loca parentis” (sp?) to the students, this would apply.)

    “What’s he on Riker’s Island for?”

    “Uh, abusing a tenth grade girl…”

    Any of our fine legal minds have a comment on this one?

  2. Unregistered Comment by Deckchair

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    Isn’t denying urgent medical care to someone you have a duty of care to attempted murder?

  3. L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Clearly a case of liberal projection:

    Teachers union President Randi Weingarten made a similar allegation. “This is a tragic result of what happens when everything comes down to data,”

    General David Petraeus is accused of fudging his numbers by the liberals- Why?

    Because they do it and they assume everyone does it.

    When do we finally have enough of this and just have a nice amicable succession? They don’t like us, and I can’t stand them. We can just go our seperate ways. With them going down the tubes.

  4. Skul Comment by Skul

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    I’m pretty much at a loss for words. Civil ones that is. :em98:

  5. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    How appalling and hard to believe. Let alone being a principal, I think any human being should intervene in a case like that. Ironically, strokes are one of those conditions where making it to the hospital quickly can greatly reduce the degree of permanent damage. (sudden blurred vision–go to the hospital immediately)

    Not to be too contrary, but the system is probably why this guy was a criminally negligent dickhead. Of course, his concern should have been for the well-being of his student.

  6. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    The death penalty should be applicable in this case. It really expands the definition of depraved indifference by orders of magnitude.

  7. Unregistered Comment by Estella, MotS

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    I am disgusted not only by the decision to tell school officials not to call 911, but just as disgusted that the school officials waited so long before violating an obviously harmful and stupid rule.

    People who live in their bubbles making life and death decisions for other people should be thrust into the world they oversee yet avoid.

    fuckheads.

  8. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Former Jamaica Assistant Principal Guy Venezia sent a memo to school deans on April 12 banning 911 calls “for any reason.”

    This memo makes the family’s case.
    Banning access to emergency service for them stupid reasons will cost the taxpayers dearly in punitive.
    Too bad the wrong folks get whacked.

    (SMASH,,tinkle-tinkle,, Hey look!, Venezia got creamed by that mixer!
    Voice from the wreckage,,”Helllp,,I’m bleeeeding!” The only bystander in sight looks in,,”All I have is my business phone, can’t make personal calls.”)

  9. Unregistered Comment by a.c #1

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    That’s why I never say I “graduated” from the NYC Public
    School System, I say I “survived” the NYC Public School System.

  10. Unregistered Comment by Rain

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    I am at a complete loss for words on this one. :em08: Only in the “great” state of NY… :em98: Being a recent transplant to the state of NY, I am beginning to fear for the education of my young ones. Fortunately, being in upstate NY and on the borders of Ft Drum, things don’t seem to be quite as much of a clusterfuck up here.
    I hope the festering fucktard that came up with this asenine policy gets his ass raked over the coals and that the city implements some serious policy changes as well as making sure this poor family is taken care of.
    My thoughts and prayers go out to the family for a speedy recovery.

  11. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Damn, you weren’t kidding on the weapons and loose objects alert!
    The only regret I’d have killing this bastard is only being able to do it once!

  12. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    God I really have trouble believing that this makes sense to anyone. How could any rational person think that not calling 911 for a medical emergency makes sense to to anyone with half a brain :em41: I have trouble believing they still have a job :em12: I hope they all get fired and have to pay for her care.

  13. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    That must have been an interesting talk with the parents. Jesus Christ! If it had been one of my kids, I think someone else would have needed to make a followup 911 call for the principal.

  14. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Incidents like this remain why, when I write guest commentary for our local paper……why I love to flat out excoriate liberals and the liberal view of education. People tell me they like it. I simply ridicule them. I can’t cuss at them or relate my take on their actual intrinsic value to society So I do what I can. They fucked my kid around, damn near drove her nuts…..now it’s my turn…………………..and not one of these people has taken me on.

  15. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    No, you stupid c*nt, this is a tragic result of what happens when subretarded wastes of skin who shouldn’t be allowed near any job requiring an IQ above 40 are instead hired on as teachers because such jobs don’t exist.

    Why are you jumping on the case of this particular woman? She is actually agreeing with you. Would it have been different if Fred! Thompson had said it? (just to pick a name you happen to respect)

    Stupid policy? Yes. Criminal? Probably — in fact I am fairly certain it is criminal. I know it is here in Seattle. You are required to report a crime or notify police or aid units if there is an emergency.

    Besides, did all these people lose there fucking minds? If you see a kid bleeding from a gunshot wound, would you not call the police?

    Mariya’s lawyer Gary Carlton blamed the pressure on principals to improve school safety - or at least to give the appearance that they had.

    I don’t know where calling 9/11 for a medical emergency is going to somehow reflect negatively on school safety. If anything, CALLING 9/11 in a medical emergency would be seen as IMPROVING school safety, since you would expect prompt medical service in such emergencies.

  16. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Personally if it had been me and I received that memo, I would have immediately placed a conference call to said f*cktard, and loudly tell him exactly what he could do with his order. There are good rules made for good reason…and there are rules that should be ignored and broken simply because anyone with half a brain can see are just shit faced stupid. When it comes to the safety of the students there should be NO question as to which category this order falls under. :em41:

  17. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Why are you jumping on the case of this particular woman? She is actually agreeing with you.

    I’ll tell you why: It’s because it sounds like nothing but the typical “it’s not my/her/his/their faaaaaaaaaaaault” excuse that I am fantastically sick and tired of hearing.

    If somebody games the system in an irresponsible and dangerous fashion to cover his/her own arse, there is only one, ONE person to blame for it: That person. I don’t want to hear excuses, just as I don’t care a flying fuck at a rolling donut about an axe murderer’s depraved and unhappy childhood. “The man/system/mortgage/cold coffee at Starbuck’s made me do it” is something I don’t want to hear. Ever.

  18. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    You’d think what one used to call “common sense” would have kicked in under these circumstances.

    :em41:

  19. Unregistered Comment by Richard Aubrey

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    I don’t follow the timing. Venezia was, at one point, in a position to make such a stupid rule. Then he left but the rule stayed?

    What are the penalties for the people who believed the rule actually bound them?

    Who called, eventually?

    Given the upside-down world of public schools–exponentially so for NYC–what are the odds the caller will suffer a greater administrative penalty?

    The procedures, stupid as they may be, are on autopilot and nobody can stop them.

  20. Unregistered Comment by Azygos

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    This kid probably had an AVM. She was probably a walking time bomb.

    If one wanted to put a toxic substance on the brain one would be hard pressed to find something more toxic than blood. Unfortunately there just is not a good treatment in modern medicine for blood on the brain (hemorrhagic stroke).

    I bet the first thing the lawyer told the school district is How many zero’s can you write on the end of that check? Which probably won’t matter in the long run because whether they settle or not strokes are very expensive. The family will probably blow through any settlement quickly leaving the poor girl on Medicaid for the rest of her life.

    Waiting 90 minutes to call 911, sheesh!!!

  21. lc purple raider Comment by lc purple raider

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    1st off, take this assistant principal’s teaching certificate away permanently.

    Take his house, car, personal belongings, put them up for auction. Give said proceeds to girl’s family.

    Make sure this man never is involved in any school system ever again.

    Do the same for the union mouthpiece.

    Gross neglience should be punished severely.

  22. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I’ll tell you why: It’s because it sounds like nothing but the typical “it’s not my/her/his/their faaaaaaaaaaaault” excuse that I am fantastically sick and tired of hearing.

    Sorry, but I didn’t read it that way. The way I read it:

    Teachers union President Randi Weingarten made a similar allegation. [emphasis mine]

    I didn’t see anywhere that she was making an excuse, I saw that she was exposing the problem. I seriously doubt that she is any kind of stooge for the school administration.

    Maybe the fact that she is a UNION president might have clouded your opinion of what she said? — just a thought. Let’s remove the fact that she is a Union President and just focus on what she said:

    “This is a tragic result of what happens when everything comes down to data,” she said. “If there’s only a hammer when people report crime, then people are going to continue to hide their incidents.”

    She is saying that the Administration spent too much time focusing on how the DATA might look that they didn’t take into consideration that there might be a real need to deal with emergencies.

    I am wondering why this girl’s parents hadn’t been called. It seems to me that the school would have at the very least called her parents.

    As far as any lawsuit against the school, their insurance company will pay out with a lot of zeros.

  23. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I didn’t see anywhere that she was making an excuse, I saw that she was exposing the problem. I seriously doubt that she is any kind of stooge for the school administration.

    Maybe the fact that she is a UNION president might have clouded your opinion of what she said?

    I’ll freely admit that the fact that she’s a member of that particular self-serving, thieving class of assholes makes my Bullshit-Meter™ go to “extra sensitive” mode automatically, I used to be a union bigwig myself so I know how they work, after all, but that has nothing to do with it. If Jesus Christ himself had said it, it would STILL be bullshit.

    By all means, let’s recap:

    “This is a tragic result of what happens when everything comes down to data,” she said. “If there’s only a hammer when people report crime, then people are going to continue to hide their incidents.”

    I repeat: No, this is a tragic result of what happens when cynical, self-serving, amoral assholes benefit from the Peter Principle and end up in positions where they can abuse the system in any way possible to cover their own fat asses, no matter how many other people their actions jeopardize. This is a tragic result of a subretarded fuckhole who shouldn’t be manning a lemonade stand rising to the level of Asst Principal. This is a tragic result of the utter lack of vetting done among the hordes employed by the Publik Skool system, because a fucktard like that shouldn’t have survived in the system for more than five fucking minutes.

    Don’t give me any bullshit about the “hammer.” Where IS the fucking “hammer?” What, she doesn’t think that it is in the public interest to know whether your child’s school is likely to have casualty rates making Ramadi on a bad day look like a country spa? How the fuck does she EXPECT the city to keep track of what schools are dangerous and what schools aren’t?

    Oh no, none of this would have happened if the Evil Nazis in City Hall hadn’t insisted on monitoring the quality of the services that the taxpayers pay for, the services in the care of which they put their children. If only City Hall, the damn fascists, had let ASSistant Principal Fucknozzle carry on regardless while soliciting blowjobs from sixth graders or sitting on his fat, overpaid ass, everything would have been just wonderful.

    *Blech!*

  24. Unregistered Comment by crazylegs

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    Screw the scuzzball principal and his craven need to make his hellhole school look good, where were the teachers? Where were the frontline troops who deal directly with the kids, Why did they obey his orders?

    Where was that one teacher who should have had the decency to say “I don’t care what the rules and regs are, or what that guy said the other day, we need to get an ambulance here asap!” Where was the teacher who should have said “Well if you won’t let us call an ambulance, then we’ll get her to a hospital our damned selves.”

    Where was the one teacher who cared more for the health and wellbeing of the students then of thier own career?

    Yes the principal was a jackass, but the rest of the faculty who were aware of what was going on acted complacently. They sat in that school and almost watched a girl die because they cared more about thier careers then they did about doing the right thing.

  25. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    But SHE isn’t in that position. SHE wasn’t the one coming up with the policy. From the way I read it, she is just as against the policy as you are. I’m not reading anything else into it.

    The thing is, there were too many people involved in this decision that let it get to where it ended up. Can you imagine if YOU were a teacher in that school and this happened? If you are anything like I am, I would have called 9/11 and to hell with any fucking policy. If they wanted to punish me for making the call after the fact, then fine, go for what you know. But better know that I could easily take them to court as well.

    Apparently this isn’t the only time this has happened.

    Mariya’s family would not be the first to sue over a 911 ban.

    The News reported in January that the family of 11-year-old Shawn Martinez is suing over the boy’s death in 2003 after an asthma attack at Brooklyn’s Public School 20. The family claims the school prohibited nurses from calling 911.

    Following that report, Klein sent a note to city principals stressing that all staff should call 911 in an emergency.Venezia’s memo went out three months later. [emphasis mine]

    So Venezia pretty much said “fuck your policy and the horse you rode in on” and countermanded his boss.

    Venezia, now a teacher at Hillcrest High School in Queens, declined comment.

    Maybe he should be an inmate teacher in Sing Sing. He wouldn’t have to worry about anyone calling 911 there. They don’t like rats there.

    Former Jamaica Principal Jay Dickler could not be reached. He was removed from the school this summer because crime there was too high, Klein said. “I met with him on numerous occasions about safety at the school, and that’s why he was removed,” Klein said.

    You know, call me naive, but if you wanted to get the crime level down, wouldn’t you want to call 911 more often? If you refuse to call the cops to haul away the perpetrators of the crime, then you have to expect the crime to continue, if not escallate.

    Hmmm, there sum dat “common sense” someone waz talkin’ ’bout.

    What is not clear from this story is what condition was this girl in when she reported to the school authorities? Was she suffering from a headache? Dizziness? Or were her symptoms more serious? If she had AVM, the symptoms could be relatively minor to very severe. Her symptoms might not have been that severe at first.

    Obviously, someone “violated” the policy and called 911 eventually. What prompted them to do it then and not before?

    There is something that is not quite clear about this story. It was written as a reaction from the allegations of the family lawyer. (Picture a John dwards, if you will) I feel that there is a part of this story that is missing. I want to hear from the person who first came in contact with this girl after she reported.

  26. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    You’d think what one used to call “common sense” would have kicked in under these circumstances.

    They really need to get around to renaming that Lady Heather, it’s far from common any more.

    I’m wondering where the schools cop was during this clusterfuck? If my wife’s school in Podunk County has to have a cop on site all the time, an NY school must too. Every little thing brings the officer in question and her radio -isn’t- a 911 call.

    Then again, that common sense thing is a little more common outside of New York I guess…… I know dealing with New Yorkers at work every day has removed every tiny scrap of enthusiasm for ever visiting that city and state (and had me cussing about G**damnfuckingarseholeYANKEES and meaning it!).

    I’m thinking secession, where do I sign up for that?

  27. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Can you imagine if YOU were a teacher in that school and this happened? If you are anything like I am, I would have called 9/11 and to hell with any fucking policy.

    Actually, several calls should heve been made the day the memo went out. To the local papers, CNN, ABC, FoxNews, the PTA President, and every Parent with a kid in this school. The proper time to release the lynch mob for some unofficial justice is before a kid is permanently disabled.

    Had this been my child, the author of this memo would already be a statistic.

  28. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Just, of course, as an object lesson to the other fukwidts.

  29. El Jeffmon Comment by El Jeffmon

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    Even in the hinterlands of Missouri, most eleven-year-olds have a cell phone. It’s kind of hard to believe another student wouldn’t have called 911 pretty quickly. There might be something else going on here.

    I don’t know what a 911 call’s response time is around that school, but there may have been a delay between when the girl’s problem started and when whoever did recognize the emergency made the (presumed) call for help. Is there more detailed information about the sequence of events?

    That said, the policy is still dishonest at best, an obvious attempt to make the data not match reality. The correct thing to do would be to call for help the moment you recognize an emergency, without even considering policy.

    Should the school attempt to take action against you, your defense is rock solid. Unless the jury is made up of school administrators…

  30. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    But SHE isn’t in that position. SHE wasn’t the one coming up with the policy. From the way I read it, she is just as against the policy as you are. I’m not reading anything else into it.

    I’m certainly not blaming her for the policy itself. The only thing that hacks me off is her knee-jerk “blame the City policy” response, where she should be standing up criticizing the fuckhead that wrote the memo instead. And yes, she IS in a position to do THAT, particularly as head of the union of which the ASSistant Principal is presumably a member.

    Maybe that’s not what she meant to say, but that’s how I read it. “Circle the wagons and blame somebody else.” I’m not a mind reader, so I can’t know that I’m reading it correctly, but that’s the gut feeling I get.

    The thing is, there were too many people involved in this decision that let it get to where it ended up. Can you imagine if YOU were a teacher in that school and this happened? If you are anything like I am, I would have called 9/11 and to hell with any fucking policy.

    Absolutely, and I don’t mean to absolve the rest of the jelly-spined morons in the school of responsibility. However, the buck does stop at the top of the food chain, so he’s the one with the primary responsibility, not to mention that he’s the retard who wrote the memo.

    But that’s not to say that his underlings are free of guilt. There are times when insubordination is not only excusable, it’s the only right thing to do. “I waz only follovink orderz” is NOT a valid defense when the order is obviously an order that no sane person would dream of following.

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  32. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And yes, she IS in a position to do THAT, particularly as head of the union of which the ASSistant Principal is presumably a member.

    Are you sure the Assistant Principal is a member of the union? I may be mistaken, but isn’t the position a management position?

    But that’s not to say that his underlings are free of guilt. There are times when insubordination is not only excusable, it’s the only right thing to do. “I waz only follovink orderz” is NOT a valid defense when the order is obviously an order that no sane person would dream of following.

    Oh, I agree. I am kinda with El Jeffmon @ #30 on this at this point. I need to know what the sequence of events were — mainly what transpired in that 90 minutes and what finally motivated someone to make the call.

    Mainly, I would like to know if the girl’s symptoms were obviously serious, or whether she had just been complaining of a headache that might have been thought to be a migraine.

    I am just having a problem thinking that in any group of people, there wouldn’t have been just ONE who thought “the hell with policy” and called 911 immediately if it appeared to be an obvious emergency.

    Yes, the attorney can wave a memo around with a loud “a-HA!” to show the school was totally to blame for the events, but is that really what happened?

    Even though the memo said not to call 911 “for any reason”, the purpose behind the memo was to keep the Deans from calling 911 to report crimes. I would like to see the actual memo instead of just getting the “money line” out of it.

  33. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Mainly, I would like to know if the girl’s symptoms were obviously serious, or whether she had just been complaining of a headache that might have been thought to be a migraine.

    Well, according to the article, she vomited and passed out before the 90 minute wait. I’d say that vomiting and passing out in school would qualify as an obvious medical emergency but, then again, that’s only one side’s recollection of events.

    Needless to say, I’m not particularly inclined to believe much coming from the school at this point and for good reason too, but yes, it would be helpful to hear their defense.

  34. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    I am just having a problem thinking that in any group of people, there wouldn’t have been just ONE who thought “the hell with policy” and called 911 immediately if it appeared to be an obvious emergency.

    Why? With the way school districts are run these days, most teachers (in my experience) go along with whatever inanity the school board and their superiors hand down as holy writ.

    With the current crop of PC-BS regulations, proscriptions of perfectly acceptable behaviour (such as prayer and differences of opinion with the Leftist shite spewed by a majority of educators) and the less than inviting job market, is it any wonder no-one was willing to put their livelihoods on the line and buck policy?

    Considering some of the absolute shite the teachers are forced to shovel (Refocusing, No Child Left Behind, ESL programs, 504 programs, The Power of I and all the other faddish trash) they’ve gotten used to keeping their mouths shut if they want to keep their jobs.

  35. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Does the word lawsuit come to mind? We are probably the most litigious society on the planet. How about that woman who died at Wal-mart, (I think) because no one helped her.

    Instead, people stepped over her, and some even took pictures.

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    The bastards in the Teacher’s Union KNEW what the 911 policy was and did nothing about it. If the greedy self-serving fucks had any integrity they would have walked off the job until the policy was changed.

  37. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I posted the second copy of the memo as an update above. I know it is hard to read, I tried blowing it up here on this computer, but I don’t have PhotoShop on this machine.

    The revision changed only the second line from the original, but if you read the entire memo it is talking about security and disciplanary actions. It doesn’t say anything about restricting someone from calling 911 in case of a medical emergency.

    I am guessing a “Dean” is a high school counselor. If a student reports to the office as a medical emergency, wouldn’t that student be referred to a nurse?

    I had a couple of really stupid high school counselors back in the stone age when when I went to school, but they weren’t as dumb as these “Deans” appear to be.

    I am guessing that this particular school is in a very depressed area, where there is probably no money attracting talented teachers and staff. So they wind up scraping the bottom of the barrel and come up with “Ernest becomes a School Counselor” type.

  38. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Mark6591:
    If the greedy self-serving fucks had any integrity they would have walked off the job until the policy was changed.

    So you’d be willing to give up your (and your children’s) livelihood and your home (I imagine almost all of them have either a mortgage payment or rent to meet) as a gesture concerning a policy that won’t change one bit for your leaving?

    Grow up.

    Teachers have almost no control over school board policy, or they wouldn’t be stuck with the raft of bullshit that get’s handed down to them by people so divorced from the classroom and reality it’s scary.

    Most of them do their best to do right by kids who are one step from feral and eager to stab their educators in the back on a whim, despite the best efforts of school boards to turn them into a combination score generator and daycare. Bear in mind, that if they did violate policy, they’d provide a damn fine scapegoat for the school board in the event of any sort of attendant lawsuit. Or are teachers now expected to sacrifice themselves on the altar of the morons the parents decided to elect?

    Teachers already get exposed to a shitload of opportunities for some brat’s parents to sue them for doing their jobs, why the hell would they offer new ones?

    I already live in expectation of some fucking parent suing my family because my wife is devoted enough to her job to try and actually teach. And people like you want them to throw themselves on their swords for your damn kids too.

  39. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Son of a bitch! DJ, the fucking blog has twice eaten my reply to NCLivingBrit before I could post. What’s the problem? It’d fairly long and I don’t want to retype the thing until It’s fixed.

  40. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Grow up.

    Hey, grow some balls. What are you a good German following orders?

  41. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    I had a chat with a native New Yorker at work today. He worked in a building down the street from this high school for several years before saying “to hell with it” and moving someplace with a tiny bit more sanity. (Not a LOT, mind you…) Yes, Jamaica High School is not in the best part of Queens. In fact, it had bad gang problems thirty-five years ago, according to my source.

  42. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Hey, grow some balls. What are you a good German following orders?

    No, I’m someone who gets to see each and every day how much shit teachers have to eat to give other peoples kids any sort of chance at all. The fucking parents don’t seem to give a shit, the school board only cares about the numbers and the principals are mostly following the school boards lead, which leaves the whole mess on the teachers.

    They’re paid shit, treated like retarded children and constantly under the threat of legal action by some kid with a fake condition (ADHD etc etc etc) or an urge for attention who feels an allegation of some kind would be fun. To top it off, they’re under constant threat of violence from the kids and often parents, not to mention the odd gun-toting nut.

    And now you want them to stand up (alone I notice, I don’t see shit in your post about pulling kids out in protest, but that might affect like Bobbie’s grades, so let the teach take the risk) to the school board the rest of you folks elected, about a policy that affects your kids?

    Fuck that. How about the parents exercise a drop of responsibility and fight for -their- kids for a change, instead of ignoring any issues until it might require some actual parenting, then crying foul with some BS 504 program, ADHD/Autism claim? Hell no, it’s the teachers job to raise your kids, stick up for them, mend their hurts and counsel them, no-one elses. Certainly not the fucking skin-wastes who spat them out into the world, that’s for sure!

    And if this sounds bitter and angry it is. I’m bitter how all the blame and none of the fucking praise always heaps upon the people charged with turning your little shitheads into something resembling people. I’m angry at how I watch my wife pour her time (and often money) into doing the things the parents should be but aren’t, only to be turned upon when parental involvement might be hinted at.

    And as for growing balls, bucking the trend here is hardly for the faint hearted. I’m usually in agreement with the Empire, but this further expectation of what people want from a poorly paid public servant is pure BS. When the parents start electing someone who isn’t a fucking moron to the school board and stop expecting to fight all their battles through the proxy of some working stiff, maybe then their fucking whining will mean something. Until then, they need to learn to put up or shut up.

  43. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    No, I’m someone who gets to see each and every day how much shit teachers have to eat to give other peoples kids any sort of chance at all. The fucking parents don’t seem to give a shit, the school board only cares about the numbers and the principals are mostly following the school boards lead, which leaves the whole mess on the teachers.

    I know there are schools like that, but I guess we are fairly lucky here where I am at. The schools in the district I live in are very good schools, and parents — for the most part — are fairly active in the schools. But I live in a sub-suburban area, and the kids can still play in the streets and woods without the parents being overly protective or the kids being hooligans.

  44. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    NCLivingBrit,

    Before you get your knickers in a bunch, I suggest you understand something. I make a huge distinction between the few talented and dedicated teachers out there and the herd of losers represented by the NEA and its state subsidiary unions. My mother taught highschool for 30 years, so do not waste time telling me how the public Screwels have deteriorated. Just before she retired she stopped a fight between two black girls going at each other with straight razors. She came home with their blood all over her, but not a nick. I about went ballistic.

    She and another great woman teacher were Stanford graduates. They were ordered to teach the precursor of ebonics (I forget its name) and refused. Mom was ordered by the school principal to change the latin grade of a federal judge’s son from a C to an A and she refused. She told the prick she would go to the newspapers if it was changed.

    What do we get for teachers now? Mostly they are the brainwashed bottom third of colleges and universities. I looked at the requirements for a credential and puked. I would never make it past sensitivity training and diversity plans.

    The business about the no 911 memo is horseshit and illegal as hell. It is a clear violation of OSHA and if the teacher’s unions weren’t so totally corrupt, they would have had it quashed in court after a walkout. No one would get fired, except hopefully the fuckwit board and bureaucrats. The union probably traded the no 911 crap for a reduced dental copay - oh and screw the students.

    So you’d be willing to give up your (and your children’s) livelihood and your home (I imagine almost all of them have either a mortgage payment or rent to meet) as a gesture concerning a policy that won’t change one bit for your leaving?

    Yeah, I would. This isn’t some pissing match over work rules or union dues. This involves a child’s life. If you want your shack and three square at the expense of a child’s life and some lemming bureaucracy, knock yourself out. Maybe apply the DJ solution: more money for failure!

    I decided along time ago how much shit I was willing to take, and it is not much. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees. My maternal grandfather was a Brit, and he was a man. What are you, some welfare state refugee?

    I worked in construction management until I finally retired. I never had anyone killed on a job, despite the best efforts of labor and management. I had huge confrontations with employers over safety compliance - not silly bureaucratic crap, but real life and death issues. I fired labor that would not comply. One crook I worked for about two weeks demanded I forge some federal cost reporting, a major felony. I told him to go fuck his mother and quit. Also, if my name so much as appeared on a company document, I would call the FBI and sue his ass until hell froze.

    Yeah, I would spit in someone’s face and tell him to shove it, if it was the right thing to do.

  45. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Yeah, I would. This isn’t some pissing match over work rules or union dues. This involves a child’s life.

    I decided along time ago how much shit I was willing to take, and it is not much. It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

    If the parents don’t give enough of a damn to fight, why should you expect the teachers to go to the wall for their kids? Teachers are providers of knowledge. Not keepers of the worlds moral compass, not gratis crusaders to take up the banner for other peoples discarded problems. Parents need to learn to fight their own battles instead of dumping their ill-bred and unwanted mistakes on other people.

    What are you, some welfare state refugee?

    No, I’m someone sick and tired of watching his beloved piss away her time and health and opportunity in a job that society undervalues trying to swim against the complete disinterest of the parents and the bullshit fad ideals of her superiors with little to no authority and fuck all backup.

    Just how much responsibility should a teacher have to bear for other peoples kids? If they’re in loco parentis, then they must provide the same standard of care as the offspring’s progenitors, which for the majority of the kids in her school district is apparently somewhere between Jack and Shit. When are we going to start putting some of the responsibility on the people who chose (or weren’t smart enough to not) breed? When are we going to start respecting the people who do their damndest rather than burden them with more paper trails for imaginary excuses for lazy and plain evil kids?

    Never, that’s fucking when. Every damn thing is the fault of the teacher, not the parent or those forcing them to do things their PC-BS way, but the guy on the front lines, caught between wanting to do their best and wanting to be in a position to do -anything-.

    Oh and you forget your obligatory Nazi reference.

    What do we get for teachers now? Mostly they are the brainwashed bottom third of colleges and universities. I looked at the requirements for a credential and puked. I would never make it past sensitivity training and diversity plans.

    Well, there isn’t much reason to enter a field where your every effort to do anything is hamstrung by bureaucrats, bullshit and outright hostility from those you are trying to help. Odd that.

  46. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    And actually, there’s a small clarification of my own I keep forgetting to make in my rather impassioned typings.

    I do not agree that the persons involved in this incident should go unpunished, or that they are absolved of wrongdoing by the schools policy.

    I merely understand why they would choose to abide by it, despite it being a Godawful error in jugdement and possibly criminal.

    However, this subject is something of a sore spot for me and can bring out my more strident instincts of debate. Amazing how much calm a glass of milk and a stuffed pepper or two can bring about.

  47. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    I merely understand why they would choose to abide by it,

    So do I. They are gutless sheep who deserve to be shot.

  48. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    To quote two of my favorite philosophers, Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock:

    Kirk: (NC LivingBrit) Is that the logical thing to do?

    Spock: (mark6591) No, but it is the human thing to do.

    Jobs and memos be damned; the girl needed help. Someone should have called immediately. Period.

  49. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    LOL, SkyeChild,

    You are a hoot.

    NCLivingBrit,

    Nothing personal, I have read your stuff and basically like you. Tell your wife to get out of teaching. It just is not worth it in the public system.

  50. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    As an aside from the blue fire incident winding to a close here…

    A “Dean” in the New York school system is indeed a guidance counselor type. (Actually, the Dean would be in charge of the guidance counselors, while being one himself.) He is also in control of administrative punishments and similar activities relating to the student’s school activities.

    He may or may not also be a teacher or a member of the teacher’s union. I suspect that the “may” part of that would relate to school size. At Jamaica High, he would not be teaching classes, although he may be an accredited teacher and a member of the union.