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At this rate, they’ll be suing themselves for having ever spoken harshly to a terrorist any day now.

Would somebody please be kind enough to give the fuckwits at Langley a call, explaining to them that we’re at war? A war with savages who are currently laughing their hairy arses off. [Not actually hairy, as LC & IB Dan kindly points out. We stand corrected. Gentlemen, mark your calendars ;) ].

The controversial interrogation technique known as water-boarding, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex, has been banned by CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden, current and former CIA officials tell ABCNews.com.

Leaving us only with the tried and true “no sugar for your tea unless you talk, Habib”, “pretty please?”, “pretty please with a cherry on top?” and “if you don’t talk right now, I shall have to ask you to talk AGAIN! Wewy wudely!” methods.

Terrorists all over the world, upon hearing the news, vowed to kill themselves rather than be taken captive. “No sugar with my TEA?”, Ahmed Falafel, a terrorist with al-Qaeda in Iraq, exclaimed when he heard about it. “What ARE you Americans? ANIMALS?” He then went back to sharpening his bread knife for an upcoming beheading of a captured Iraqi kindergarten teacher.

Today, in New Hampshire, Sen. McCain told ABC News, “I have sought that result for years. Water-boarding is a form of torture. And I’m convinced that this will not only help us in our interrogation techniques, but it will also be helpful for our image in the world.”

Ah, that McCain. When he’s not busy coddling illegal immigrants, he’s busy making sure that his friends in al-Qaeda will never as much as hear a bad word while in U.S. captivity. Oh, and McVain? About how the elimination of water boarding will “help us in our interrogation techniques”, how about this?:

Its most effective use, say current and former CIA officials, was in breaking Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, known as KSM, who subsequently confessed to a number of ongoing plots against the United States.

A senior CIA official said KSM later admitted it was only because of the water-boarding that he talked.

But hey, what would Khalid Sheikh Mohammed know about what caused him to break, huh?

Here’s a better proposal McPain and Hayden: How about we just abolish that barbarian torture called “capturing?” We mean, there’s no telling what emotional anguish a poor child-murdering al-Qaeda terrorist might suffer while being taken away from his terrorist friends by the Great Satan. Not to mention that we’ve heard those zip-ties chafe your wrist something fierce if they’re not expertly handled.

Heaven help us. We’re at war for our very existence, and we’re being led by a bunch of sniveling pussies.

UPDATE: Outside the Beltway disagrees:

McCain is right here: The value that torture might occasionally bring is far outweighed by the damage it causes.

He’s right of course. What are a few thousand American civilian lives saved compared to the horror, the insufferable stigma of having maybe once made a terrorist captive think that he was going to drown? If only we could aspire to the Olympian levels of superior moral judgment exhibited by James Joyner in the above quoted sentence but, alas, we cannot, stuck as we are with the archaic notion that, when the lives of your friends, family and compatriots are threatened by subhuman savages, the former take precedence over any discomfort the latter might feel as a result of our preventative measures.

Not to mention: The fwench might disapprove, and how on Earth would we, as a nation, survive that????

Also from James Joyner:

Emperor Misha I, The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler, responds with “CIA Wimps Hand Another Weapon to al-Qaeda,” and notes the success the technique had in the KSM case. Of course, I’d have confessed to those things too, under torture.

Who cares about the confession? We already knew that he was involved. What we really got out of it was a boatload of actionable intel that, subsequently, led to the successful foiling of numerous plots against American civilians, not to mention a lot of leads on other al-Qaeda murderers still at large.

But, of course, that’s nothing compared to the eternal shame of having been mean to a barely human piece of shite who’d slit your throat and those of your children without a nanosecond’s worth of hesitation. Right, James?

Heaven help us. We’re surrounded by twits and idiots.

37 Responses to “CIA Wimps Hand Another Weapon to al-Qaeda (UPDATED)”
  1. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    Hopefully, this is just bureaucratic CYA and they’ll still carry on with the practice off the record. Statements like this also give the people at the top “plausible deniability” - “We do not practice waterboarding, and any rogue agents employing the practice will be disciplined or discharged from the service”, yadda yadda.

    Waterboarding is torture? Don’t make me laugh. And anyway, we’re interrogating enemy combatants, not working the reception desk at Club Med. :em41:

    “Helpful for our image in the world?” WTF? Better the Ugly American than the Pussified American. It would be nice if we didn’t have to face that dichotomy; it also would be nice if water ran uphill from time to time.

  2. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

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    Well, thank our lucky stars Sen. McVain is keeping a cool head. I am just ever so worried sick about “America’s image in the world.” :em72: :em38:

    Bunch of f**kin’ pussies is right. Wonder what Jorge Arbusto’s reaction is.

  3. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    They could always involve civilians.

    “Joe Public, I’m gonna step outside for a smoke and leave you alone in here with this murdering savage subhuman piece of offal and that battery and set of jumper cables over in the corner. I don’t want you to ask this oxygen robber any pointed questions, and I especially don’t want you to convince him that resisting or lying would be a bad idea. I’ll be back in about an hour.”

  4. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Put’em on Teddy’s ‘nads and watch the whale dance.

  5. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    You know, I had terrorists in mind, but I guess it could apply to some members of Congress as well.

    The downside is that they know NOTHING of value.

  6. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    Blackiswhite

    Now that’s what I had in mind. Where do I sign up?

  7. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    Personally, I’m a little sick of hearing McQueen prattle on about how ‘not torturing’ will protect our people from mistreatment. I’m still waiting for some reporter to develop the testicular fortitude to ask him how prisoners were treated when he was in the service, and how much positive reciprocity that got him. OF ALL PEOPLE, McQueen should know that the enemy doesn’t refrain from doing any horrid thing they want to prisoners, the Geneva Conventions and human decency be damned. On our WORST day, we are orders of magnitude more humane and decent than those subhuman vermin.

  8. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    Is THAT what waterboarding is? I thought it was something much worse. Now I feel as though banning it was okay because I thought it was something that could potentially harm someone. If it’s just pouring water to make them gag, I do it to myself all the time, when a wave hits-doesn’t hurt much :em93: although it is unpleasant

  9. sixfootbrit Comment by sixfootbrit

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    Bring out the Comfy Chair!!!

  10. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Bring out the Comfy Chair!!!

    Oh no! Not the Comfy Chair!!!

  11. Skul Comment by Skul

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    Cripes, I wonder sometime how we lasted this long.

  12. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg

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    #11:

    We weren’t doing too bad until the 1960’s … when the current crop of Pussies In Charge “came of age.”

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    We weren’t doing too bad until the 1960’s … when the current crop of Pussies In Charge “came of age.”

    Yeah. I often find myself cursing the fact that no one had the foresight to lace the world’s supplies of acid with arsenic.

    The world would be such a better place.

  14. Unregistered Comment by The Lone Haranguer

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    :em96:


    http://www.occasionalhell.com/infdevice/images/tscrew02.jpg

    Whatever it takes …

  15. xenophobic Comment by xenophobic

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    Will they stop using it in SERE school against our own Military in interrogation resistance training then?

  16. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    The controversial interrogation technique known as water-boarding, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex, has been banned by CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden, current and former CIA officials tell ABCNews.com.

    Maybe the CIA plans to replace water with some other liquid…

  17. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Maybe the CIA plans to replace water with some other liquid…

    Hmmm…

    How about sulfuric acid?

  18. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #16 by Alan K. Henderson

    Maybe the CIA plans to replace water with some other liquid…

    No, they’ve finally completed the lifelike model of Rosie’s asscheeks…

  19. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    …and to think I wanted McCain as president instead of Bush for his first term. I was actually impressed with McCain in debates at that time, too.
    What drives me crazy about McCain is that every time someone questions his opinions on torture, he gives the the old “you can’t tell me anything about torture” routine. He was tortured, yes - that may give him more credence than a layman, but for result-oriented tactics against a far, FAR more vicious enemy, torture is necessary.
    McCain shouldn’t be our patron saint of torture, just like some chick who rolls her dad’s BMW shouldn’t be our patron saint of vehicle safety.

  20. Unregistered Comment by crazylegs

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    Waterboarding is torure? Sweet! I’m gonna go sue that bastard lifeguard who taught me how to swim! I’ll never have to work another day in my life!

  21. SSG Fuzzy Comment by SSG Fuzzy

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    :em41: This and McCain/Feingold are the reasons I will never vote for McLame in the primary! :em96:

  22. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    Me personally I don’t give a flying fuck if they waterboard them, shove bamboo shoots under their fingernails, or pluck every nose hair out. If they arn’t gonna follow Geneva conventions and kill every “non uniformed enemy combatant” on the field of battle then I for one say this is already a lost cause, these savages that we are fighting don’t really give two shits how “rough” we treat them.
    They already piss and moan when we give um three squares a day, prayer rugs etc. FUCK UM FEED UM FISH HEADS.

    Wraped in bacon of course

  23. Unregistered Comment by LC & IB Random Numbers

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    Its most effective use, say current and former CIA officials, was in breaking Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, known as KSM, who subsequently confessed to a number of ongoing plots against the United States.

    Note the wording. The CIA wasn’t looking for confessions, but these assholes use the word anyway. Written truthfully it would be:
    Its most effective use, say current and former CIA officials, was in breaking Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, known as KSM, who subsequently provided accurate, confirmable intelligence that led to the foiling of a number of ongoing plots against the United States..

  24. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Heaven help us. We’re at war for our very existence, and we’re being led by a bunch of sniveling pussies.

    I will ask again. Is not the penalty for treason death? Military tribunal, then execution by hanging or firing squad?

  25. BobF Comment by BobF

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    Personally, I’m a little sick of hearing McQueen prattle on about how ‘not torturing’ will protect our people from mistreatment.

    Exactly. So far every American GI who’s been captured has been executed. In many cases they were mutilated so bad that DNA had to be used to identify them. American Civilians working in Iraq are burned and hung from bridges. Maybe McCain is hoping they’ll leave enough intact so DNA won’t need to be used.

  26. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    He was tortured, yes - that may give him more credence than a layman,

    It also disqualifies him from the debate immediately since he was a victim of it and, therefore, is psychologically unable to debate it in a detached, rational fashion.

    Something I don’t hold against him, by the way. I can only imagine what the commie bastards did to him and how he must have felt going through it, and I certainly wouldn’t expect him to be able to discuss something as traumatic as that in a calm, objective fashion.

    Oh, and another thing: What we’re talking about having to use has absolutely nothing to do with the medieval, primitive methods they used at the Hanoi Hilton, so we’d be debating apples vs. oranges.

    The right thing for McVain to do on the subject of coercive interrogation methods would be to say “listen, I have my opinions on those things, but because of what I’ve gone through myself, I can’t really debate that issue objectively, so I’ll have to recuse myself on it.”

    Otherwise, it’d be like having a soldier who’d gone through the rolling barrages of WWI set policy on the use of artillery.

  27. Unregistered Pingback by CIA Bans waterboarding | BitsBlog

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  28. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    We have private prisons, why not private military prisons?

    “Welcome to GitMo, a Blackwater Detainment Facility.

    Please note, the CIA aren’t here to coddle your terrorist arse so you might wish to make use of the Information Donation forms we’ve thoughtfully provided before processing begins.

    Thank you for choosing Blackwater for your internment needs.”

  29. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    I just read the update.

    I am done with the pontifications of the ‘enlightened’ among us who fester and ooze among the body politic like so much diseased tissue. We are in a war where the enemy will do anything to kill us. The tools that would otherwise be at our disposal as a civilized society, logic, reason, compassion, and mercy HAVE NO PLACE IN THIS CONFLICT.
    Trying to practice these in engagement with islam is like casting pearls before swine, and yes, I understand that a muslim would be insulted. Tough rocks. When the outrage they suffer at my hands equals the outrage of having people abducted and beheaded by uuuulating savages who dance around and chant to a moon-god while doing it, then they might almost have a reason to open their mouths and bitch.

    These people are willing to die for their sick perverted beliefs. They will take every advantage of host countries in attempting to make their murderous way of life mainstream. They are willing to tell any lie to lull us in to complacency, while they manuver, plot and scheme, until one morning, our eyes will open to find a scowling saracen bending over us, a knife at our throat, the words “Submit or die.” uttered from behind clenched teeth, and the odor of camel sperm hallatosis washing over our faces.

    We know this. They raise their children with the singular goal of killing us all. They extoll the virtues of martydom to their own people. They are convinced that death is superior to life, as long as they take a few infidels with them. They tell us at every opportunity how they want us dead, and yet we have those among us who simply cannot comprehend the horrors that await us all, and so turn on the rest of us, channeling the Polyannaish belief that if we continue to treat them as people, rather than animals that need to be put down for the good of civilization, that they will somehow see the light and we’ll join hands and skip off into the sunset.

    This isn’t just stupid, it is dangerous. Rule by the cranial-rectally inverted will come to an end, but until then preaching sense in the current political climate amounts to little more than farting in a hurricane. Sadly, I am resigned to the fact that we are going to suffer at least one more attack here on our soil. A big one. An awful one. Something that even the most attention-bereft among us will not be able to forget. The usual suspects, unable to admonish the gulity parties, and wallowing in their impotency over it, will renew their plaintive condemnation of the rest of us, only it won’t work. We will be forever changed, and the phrase “Either you are with us or against us.” will carry all the terrible promise that the hand-wringging liberals among us worry themselves silly about right now. I find myself fearing this day, because the bright promise our nation has always held will be significantly darkened by both the blood of our citizens shed in those days, and the shadow of the grim duty that will befall our country in order to preserve civilization. I fear that we will have an entire generation that we will beholden to for their sacrifice, who will never really be able to come home again because of what they had to do to save civilization. And we will all have to live with the fact that it could have been prevented.

  30. Ralph Gizzip Comment by Ralph Gizzip

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    Well, since we’re not allowed to interrogate them can we just summarily execute them when they’re captured?

  31. LC George guy, Prophet of Neofederalism Comment by LC George guy, Prophet of Neofederalism

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    Clearly, the best answer to this is to stop taking so many prisoners.

  32. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    They are willing to tell any lie to lull us in to complacency, while they manuver, plot and scheme, until one morning, our eyes will open to find a scowling saracen bending over us, a knife at our throat, the words “Submit or die.” uttered from behind clenched teeth

    Forgive me, BiW, if my comment here appears to treat too lightly your quote shown above or the entirety of your comment, because that is not my intent.

    It struck me hard, however, as I was reading your comment, that there was an eerie parallel between what you wrote (what most of us are coming to recognize as the awful truth)and a show I caught on TV last night. I know, I know, please bear with me.

    The sci-fi episode featured what I can only describe as chronically-enhanced gallactic assassins, who appear as mere angels carved from stone if you look at them directly. And so, to the unknowing, they seem only benign if weepy statuary, and anyone who feared them was being all paranoid and feeble-minded as they were ‘just statues!” But, if you were their target and you chanced to look away from their eyes then back around a nanosecond later, they were frozen anew, yet ever closer to you, with clawing hands and vampire-like visages. And each time a victim-to-be took their eyes off one of these babies long enough, they’d be killed.

    DON’T BLINK. BLINK AND YOU’RE DEAD! DON”T TURN YOUR BACK. DON’T LOOK AWAY. AND DON’T BLINK!

    h/t Dr. Who.

    —-

    Back to the reality that is Islamic Jihad:

    We, their gullible prey, are still blinking normally. Identity angelically (often CAIRingly) disguised, target acquired, they creep closer every flippin’ time that we do…

    Good Luck“, the good Doctor concludes.

    Luck.
    We need more than that; we need to STOP BLINKING.

  33. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    The sci-fi episode featured what I can only describe as chronically-enhanced gallactic assassins, who appear as mere angels carved from stone if you look at them directly. And so, to the unknowing, they seem only benign if weepy statuary, and anyone who feared them was being all paranoid and feeble-minded as they were ‘just statues!” But, if you were their target and you chanced to look away from their eyes then back around a nanosecond later, they were frozen anew, yet ever closer to you, with clawing hands and vampire-like visages. And each time a victim-to-be took their eyes off one of these babies long enough, they’d be killed.

    I caught that episode last night. Dr. Who just keeps getting better with age.

  34. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Indeed, Blackiswhite…..I too, believe we will have to lose a city or cities to finally wake up. The left tried for a brief time to play politics with nine-eleven, realizing the American public had no patience with them. Much to my delight If we lose a city or so……..I strongly suspect some of them may find themselves very poor insurance risks, many undecided lefties will decide in favor of their children over their beliefs, their land over their politics. Those that do not will find a mortal enemy in me and my kind. You know, the gun owners, the shooters. I would not help them in any fashion, not one dollar, not one bullet, nothing. Let them reap what they have sown..

  35. Wild-Eyed Charlie Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie

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    I agree 100%. We should stop waterboarding these guys. We should tie a rope around their feet and dunk them head-first into a real tank of water.

    As far as “The Middle East Problem” goes, I have the solution: Put all the good Muzzies on a ship in the Mediterranean. Put all the troops on line at double arm’s distance. March them from south to north, killing everything they find. When they’re done, go back and sink the ship.

  36. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    #s 28, 29, 32, and 34 said it very, very well indeed. I just couldn’t say any of that better than they did.

  37. Unregistered Comment by tweell

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    I suggest we give them what their allies here in America covet.

    http://www.brentmorrison.com/0102Sex_change.htm

    Give them all a free sex change, so they go to Allah as women.