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The Senate voted on an amendment expressing their support for GEN Petraeus and condemning sewer-dwelling bottom-feeders (that would be MorOn.org, to those of you who have spent the last decade on Neptune) slandering a highly decorated member of the Armed Forces, and the result of the vote was very… informative.

Please keep in mind that this is the same general who was confirmed unanimously by the same backstabbing lunatics voting against today’s amendment.

Also keep in mind that one of the 25 NAYs belongs to the Hildevermin, the beast from the darkest corners of Hell who wants to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces that she obviously has no problem with impugning the honor and integrity of at every turn.

No surprise, really, after all she already called GEN Petraeus a liar to his face, but certainly something that needs to be repeated again and again.

As to the other 24 NAYs?

We’ll remember you as well.

We’ll remember you very well indeed.

100 Responses to “True Colors”
  1. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Hmmm. Notice anything…universal… amidst the nay votes? I always vote against Bingaman anyway. :em72:

  2. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Hmmm. Notice anything…universal… amidst the nay votes?

    couldn’t be that D behind their names could it?…just shooting in the dark with that assumption.

    I’m always surprised at Daniel Inouye’s stance on things like this. The guy fought with the Nisei in World War II, lost an arm too….what the hell is it with democrat veterans? do the party bigshots cow them so bad that they forget their brothers in arms?

    Another surprising thing is that neither biden nor obama voted. So it looks like butch clinton has locked up the MoveOnUpYourAss.org vote…..good for us.

  3. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    Notice anything…universal… amidst the nay votes?

    Party affiliation is almost universal - there’s phuknutt from Vermont in there who’s technically an independent.

    The inability to pour piss out of a boot is universal among the Nays, though.

    “Lessee, who do I want to line up with… there’s (1) people who are putting their lives on the line to defend the country, or (2) a bunch of purple-pissing chronic masturbators who’ve never accomplished a damn thing… I’ll have to give this one some thought.” WTF?

  4. Unregistered Comment by irish19

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    I’m not surprised Obama didn’t cast a vote. He’s still trying to catch the Hildabeest, and alienating voters isn’t a good way to do that. This way he can still claim to support the troops and point to his (lack of a) vote as proof.

  5. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Whaattaaa Surrprise. Cantvotewell didn’t vote, and Patty ‘Clueless’ Murray was a “NAY”.

    I despise our senators.

  6. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Color me surprised. Turbin Durbin was one of the Nays.

    Irish, don’t get me started on Barack Osama, he’s (not) one of my senators. The other is Dickhead al-Turbin, who was one of the nays.

    I need to get out of Illinois.

  7. Trooper THX1138 Comment by Trooper THX1138

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    The three pussies:

    Biden, of Delaware
    Cantwell (as mentioned before) of Washington
    Obama (again, as mentioned before) of Ill-annoy.

    However, I here apologize to both the feline-american population and to the holders of said anatomical parts for disparaging you by connection to these *spit* politicians *spit*. I just don’t have the same imagination or fluency of curse words as our beloved Emperor has.

    Surprising to me was that Feinstein (my other senile senatrix) voted Yea. I was for sure expecting her to vote nay.

    Believe the worst of people, and sometimes you’re pleasantly surprised.

  8. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    BlackisWhite sez:

    Whaattaaa Surrprise. Cantvotewell didn’t vote, and Patty ‘Clueless’ Murray was a “NAY”.

    I despise our senators.

    We got senators here in Wa. State? not members of the politburo? Do commisars sims and gregoire know about this?

  9. Unregistered Comment by jmon

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    Yeah, that list of Nay voters reads like a “Who’s Who of Fucktards”.

    And don’t forget, if he could have, Murtha would of voted Nay. Right after he called General Petraeus “A cold blooded killer”. I’m gettin’ a serious hate on for these Bastards right now.

  10. Ralph Gizzip Comment by Ralph Gizzip

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    That slimeball Sherrod Brown beat Mike DeWine last November. DeWine may have been one of the “Gang of 14″ but he wouldn’t have embarrassed himself like Brown has.

  11. Unregistered Comment by annoyinglittletwerp

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    Jen:
    You beat me to it about Osama Obama and Turban el Durbin.
    Me and the husband have GOT to move back to MO! :em08:

  12. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    i got to hand it to my Senator Dianne; she’s the relatively reasonable one of the two. Boxer on the other hand is a worthless sack of shit, and i extend my apologies to actual sacks of shit in making that comparison. Her only reason for being is to promote abortion wherever and whenever she can.

  13. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    I need to get out of Illinois.

    Don’t forget to take me with you.

  14. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    I am dissapointed in Hillary, but glad Lieberman was a Yea :em69: I have always liked him.

  15. Unregistered Comment by Uchuck the Tuchuck

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    How many of these vermin are up for re-election this next time? Can we take up a collection to take out some newspaper ads around election day in their home states (Heh. Maybe the Times will give us a discount…) detailing this very simple excercise in treasonous, dishonorable behavior? I’ll open the bidding with a pledge of $500 to that end.

  16. BobF Comment by BobF

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    I see the old Grand Kleagle of the KKK voted Nay too.

    You’ve got to expect that out of Hillary. After all, she didn’t want military guards at the White House to wear uniforms as it offended her.

    I had an acquaintance who was a crew chief for Air Force One during the early 90’s. He said the Clinton’s treated the maintenance (military)people like they were beneath them. They acted like our people didn’t exist. When I asked him about Bush & Quail, he said they were decent human beings who went out of their way to continually thank them for the work they did. If Hillary gets elected your going to see officers like Wesley Clark skyrocket to the top ranks. Gone will be the military leaders like Generals Franks, Schwarzkopf, and Petraeus. If you thought Bill decimated the military, wait until Hillary gets her claws on it.

  17. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Ground breaking legislation. A great use of time and energy. Also, wholly symbolic.

    Yes, the General and members of the United States Armed Forces deserve the support of the US Senate. The last I looked, MoveOn.org is NOT a member of the Senate, so what exactly did this accomplish, except some silly little political game?

    MoveOn is still going to place ads, they are still going to speak their mind, and they are still going to speak out against anyone or anything they choose. It is what that annoying little First Amendment is all about.

    For crying out loud, MoveOn is a private organization who pays for its own ads to say whatever it chooses. I notice that there is nothing in this “Amendment” that names MoveOn — just that the Senate should extend support and respect towards the General and the members of the Armed Forces.

    In other words, meaningless, symbolic, and more importantly, a waste of time and energy.

  18. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    BobF,

    I had a Marine bud of mine mention something about Marine Corp I, the chopper, had a post at the door when the POTUS would exit, but under klintoon, didn’t turn to the right after he passed. Private snub.. heh..
    He said they resumed executing the turn for Dubya..
    ‘Reckon that’s not your branch, just wonderin’ if you hear anything ’bout that.

  19. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Also, wholly symbolic.

    And a cue-ball is pale.

    Similar to the we demand you surrender vote?
    Maybe, but there’s just so much movebowels.org bitch to slap, this legislation will blow the smoke off the field.
    I’m just as interested in knowing who speaks against the war -then supports votes to support,,as to know who is talking up troop support, as they work otherwise..
    True colors,, bullshit stops when the gavel drops.

    Shrilery’s been stripped intellectually nekkid, obama found a crack to duck into,,Skeered of upsetting his muzz-base.

    Wanna really end the war? Ya only need 51 Senate votes,.

  20. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    For crying out loud, MoveOn is a private organization who pays for its own ads to say whatever it chooses

    so is Halliburton Dave, and don’t give me the line about Cheney being a former…yes former….Executive Officer of the company. The difference is that MOveOn is a blatant political organization, they exist for nothing more. I’ll admit I’m wrong if you can explain to me just what product they produce.

    I notice that there is nothing in this “Amendment” that names MoveOn — just that the Senate should extend support and respect towards the General and the members of the Armed Forces.

    Of course moveon is not mentioned by a Senate with a democrat majority….too much of money at stake…..Oooooops, I just answered my own question about the product that they produce…

    it’s money for democrats!!!
    D’oh :em58:

    Yes, the General and members of the United States Armed Forces deserve the support of the US Senate.

    Dave, the same day that the “democrat controlled” congress passed this nutless resolution, they also tried to force through a resolution to cut off funding to the troops they “support”

    yeah, they support our troops alright…….I’d like to see them tell that to the Marines

  21. Unregistered Comment by Jerry

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    Goodgrief, DJ! You’ve got your head so far up your ass you could perform your own rectal exam! These people are traitors, plain and simple. As an Army veteran myself, I can’t say, in public, what I’d like to do to every single one of them. Hanging would be too good. Scumbags.

  22. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I find it telling I have yet to personally encounter a vet holding anything but disgust and contempt for such people. I see many all the time, they work for a living and patronize our business. We share stories of old times in uniform. Funny thing too, I forgot I’m a vet, and I hold them in contempt as well. And that’s on a good day………..

  23. Unregistered Comment by irish19

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    I need to get out of Illinois.

    You and me both.

  24. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I need to get out of Illinois.

    A damn shame it is too. Lots of pretty places to see. I lived in Illinois for three years. But between governors like Blowjobovich and his fondness for gun confiscation and the Daley machine……….

  25. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    Kennedy (D-MA), Nay

    Well, I want to see that fat cocksucking murdering motherless cuntfaced drunken treasonous snake of a whorespawn die more than Bin Laden.
    He is a disgrace to the country, to humanity, to his descendants, to vermin.
    Is there a worse chickenhawk in the senate? I hope the Kennedy curse gets him.
    I actually would love the opportunity to fight him. One on one, just to feel the glorious snap of his big ugly jaw under my fists.
    I hope my point has been made.

  26. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Wanna really end the war? Ya only need 51 Senate votes,.

    Actually, you only need 41. That is what the Republicans have been doing with every piece of legislation being introduced. It is being filibustered.

    Now don’t get confused, I am NOT against the filibuster. It is the only tool the minority has to keep from being run over. To think that the Republicans almost did away with it last term.

    Personally? I think it is a good year when Congress can’t pass any new laws. Hell, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings any if Congress only worked once every six years. The other five years they could find a real job.

    Besides, even if Congress voted a veto-proof funds cut, it wouldn’t stop anything. Bush has enough money in the pipes to drag it out at least until the end of his term — and he would.

    Most of the funding goes to the contractors anyways, not the military. They already have funds for that. Don’t believe for a second that “cutting future funds” is going to end a damn thing.

    I’m just as interested in knowing who speaks against the war -then supports votes to support,,as to know who is talking up troop support, as they work otherwise..

    Well, I tried to decipher what you just said — my Conservative to Progressive dictionary didn’t work.

    :em99:

    so is Halliburton Dave, and don’t give me the line about Cheney being a former…yes former….Executive Officer of the company. The difference is that MOveOn is a blatant political organization, they exist for nothing more. I’ll admit I’m wrong if you can explain to me just what product they produce.

    Do they have to produce a product to have a voice in this country? I’m looking at my pocket Constitution right now and I don’t see that.

    There are a LOT of organizations representing positions all over the political landscape. You act as if there aren’t any Right wing organizations and publications that don’t use “offensive” messaging to get their point across. I have been on several mailing lists for a long time that crank out some pretty inflamatory crap.

    Of course moveon is not mentioned by a Senate with a democrat majority….too much of money at stake…..Oooooops, I just answered my own question about the product that they produce…

    First, it wasn’t introduced by a Democrat, second, it isn’t the job of the Senate to “condemn”, or censure an individual or organization. But like I said, they didn’t even use generic terms to condemn an organization that speaks out with its opinion.

    For the record, I think Petraeus is a lap dog for the administration. He has a four year record of telling everyone that things are going GREAT in Iraq — only to find out later that isn’t the case.

    I know you don’t like Glenn Greenwald, but he does expose the General’s tendency to blow sunshine up everyones ass over the past four years when he has told us that things are going great.

    Watch it, then try to dispute what he said:

    Am I “disrespecting” the General? No, he has been put in a position by the president where he has to be a political front for the president because Bush is so damaged that he can’t sell his own actions.

    It isn’t the general’s job to sell anything to Congress and / or the American people. Bush put him in that position to continue to sell a failed policy.

  27. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Ground breaking legislation. A great use of time and energy. Also, wholly symbolic.

    Quite symbolic. And quite informative as well. It cuts both ways, unless you believe that pressing a button is simply too much effort for the exalted ones in DC.

    You can either express your support, express your indifference to a “silly exercise” by abstaining, or you can forever mark yourself as being against supporting our troops and their commanders.

    25 Idiotarian backstabbers unequivocally expressed their disdain for our troops by voting “NAY” when they could have simply not voted, which is what a decent human being would have done if he or she thought it a ridiculous exercise in chest-banging.

    Quite informative indeed.

  28. LC Robohobo Comment by LC Robohobo

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    #1 by cmblake6

    Hmmm. Notice anything…universal… amidst the nay votes? I always vote against Bingaman anyway.

    Me, too. He is pond scum. I knew the guy years ago. It goes like this, we were at a friends famous Christmas Party and quite loosened up on some remarkable mulled wine. Jeff is discussing what he will do in the future (he had just passed the bar). He said he had it mapped out. He was going to practice law for a time then run for state AG. He said that he felt he was born to be a US Senator. The idiot feels entitled. He runs every campaign claiming he is just a good-old-boy from southern NM but he comes from money. He is part of the moneyed elite. Despicable. The problem is that even ex-astronaut Harrison Schmitt could not stave off his run for the Senate.

    Bingaman is one of those who needs to be sent packing out of the US Senate.

    Follow the link and see who voted against the sense of the senate resolution - Kennedy, Kerry, the Hildabeast, Dean, etc - all the usual traitorous scum of the Dhimmicratic Socialist Party. Obama did not vote. Coward.

  29. Unregistered Comment by demonicgerbil

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    blah blah General Betray-Us

  30. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    khol… voted yea…. WTF IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?!

  31. Unregistered Comment by tradewind

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    Unsurprising that the PDN** voted the way that she did….after all, her everlovin’ Bubba ‘ loathes the military’, and we can only assume she shares his position on the matter.
    (If nothing else.)
    **Presumptive Democrat Nominee, according to the chatterazzi.

  32. LC Robohobo Comment by LC Robohobo

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    demonicgerbil is a gamer troll. how the heck did it find it’s way here?

  33. Unregistered Comment by tradewind

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    Follow the link and see who voted against the sense of the senate resolution - Kennedy, Kerry, the Hildabeast, Dean, etc - all the usual traitorous scum of the Dhimmicratic Socialist Party.

    Well, MoveOn got it right: They bought ‘em, they own ‘em.

    Obama did not vote. Coward.

    No need… we already know what he believes. Think weasel,even more than coward, because it is just a matter of his preemptive butt-covering on the off chance that the Dems and the left wake up and renounce MoveOn.
    Not holdin’ my breath.

  34. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Dave,

    Don’t even try to claim that the slime at MoveOn aren’t operating hand-in-glove with the DNC.

    And before you try any of your Tu-Quoque tail-chasing nonsense, we’re sticking to this vote, and not any that you will try to draw parallel to.

    We’re talking about a party in which even the veterans (not to mention the rest) who have served honorably can’t seem to resist saying the worst, most presumptuous things about those serving in the current conflict- because it serves them (See: James Clyburn) in precisely the same opportunistic manner that they claim to be the basis for Petraeus’ presumed dishonesty.

    Essentially, the position of the ‘Progressives’ (itself a wonderfully revealing moniker- from the perspective of an intentionalist analysis- to have been assumed by such a bunch of garden-variety reactionaries) can be accurately summarized as such:

    ‘We support the troops- even the ones we pre-emptively accuse of lying in order that more of them may die to politically/financially further the Darth Vader-Adolph Chimpler Agenda™.’

    I don’t know how else to decode the semaphores employed by the left other than meaning exactly that. Why would you not want to distance yourself from such a posture?

    Nice company you keep.

  35. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them.

    Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapter 18

    Expect more shit like this from these weasles as we move closer to the actual election (and I beg forgiveness from any actual weasles harmed by this message. . . ).

    The current Dimmicrat party is a collection of special interest groups attempting to put together a coherent position. They have become worse than Socialists - they are nothing more than whores who have sold their votes, their allegiance, their loyalty and their soul to socialists (such as George Soros, who funds Moveon), idiots (Kos), MSM (Slimes) and the cowards (ANSWER, Notinourname). They are motivated only by a personal cowardice and thirst for power. No, less than Whores, for a proper Prostitute only sells her body . .

    They use as their tools lies, distortion, personal attacks on Honorable Men and Women, obfuscation, and stealing ever increasing amounts of money at the point of a gun from the productive portion of our society, just to give to the lazy, incompetent fellow travelers, to buy their votes (”Bread and Circuses”) to preserve their “right” to dictate to the portion of society that they do not already control.

    I’m just surprised that only 25 out of the 49 in the Senate were HONEST enough to vote “Nay.” A lack of ‘nads is one of their distinguishing characteristics. I would have more respect for them if they just came straight out and admitted to being supporters of the Islamic Terrorists.

    It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles.

    Ibid.

    Cowards, Liars, Socialist Scum, and Idiots, fuck them all and the horses who rode them in.

  36. BobF Comment by BobF

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    LC Cheapshot911

    I heard about how the guards wouldn’t turn and face Clinton as he walked away. It’s hard for GI’s to have respect for someone who has no respect for them.

    When Clinton first took office, he visited an aircraft carrier dressed in a flight jacket. The sailors laughed and mocked him. After that incident, we received a directive that we weren’t to mock or laugh at the president. Never in my career did we ever receive any directives like that.

  37. lc purple raider Comment by lc purple raider

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    I need to get out of Illinois.

    Don’t forget to take me with you.

    Missouri sounds nice, so does Indiana.

    Wisconsin, not so much.

    The caravan of U-Haul trucks down I-55 will now commence.

  38. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    [threadjack]

    I need to get out of Illinois.

    Don;t forget to take me with you.

    Missouri sounds nice….

    All of yous that settle in MO - you’ll have to be Cardinals fans now.

    We now return you to regularly scheduled programming.

    [/threadjack]

  39. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    I watched these morons and their posturing. The 25 nays should be lined up and shot. And after that, the MorOn.org commies. Sorry, Dave, they’re traitors, they work hand in hand with the Democrats. MorOn.org takes its orders from Howard Dean and the other filth. Your posturing for them is highly dubious at best, infuriating to a good extent. Despite their smears and the profound silence of the so-called ethical Congress, Petraeus still gave his report, shrugged off the rioters, and is still serving this land despite the likes of Jack Murtha, Shrillery Clinton, Joe Biden, Bullcrap Osama, and the other jackasses of the left. Murtha once told a reporter if he never served in the military he had no right to criticize. Bullshit. We have every right, in fact the duty to criticize or point out your disservice to those in the uniform, Murtha. So, sorry Dave, Allyn, whatever, you’re not convincing anyone, especially trying to bronze that pile of shit on a pedistal, aka MorOn.org.

  40. dragineez Comment by dragineez

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    True Americans vote their conscience. Please note that both Democratic Senators from Maryland voted “Yea”.

  41. Unregistered Comment by annoyinglittletwerp

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    Returning to threadjack please:
    Mad Insomniac,
    I lived in Lemay, MO from June of 2006 to June of 2007.
    Except for the pizza, the belief that a turn signal is for ornamentation only, and the DEAD Birds…I mean Cardinals…St. Louis (County) is great.

    Oh…and what was yesterday’s Astros/Cards score?
    *crickets* :em99:

    Goat Go to HEAVEN in 2000-SEVEN!

    GO CUBBIES GO!

  42. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    [threadjack]
    annoyinglittletwerp

    Yeah, I heard about the ‘high school football game’. To your list of fun facts about STL I would add this: “So, where did you go to high school?”

    The future Mrs. Insomniac is from STL and an absolutely rabid Redbirds fan. :em95: Whenever we get into an argument, I put a hex on the Cards and she soon comes around.

    Yep, we had a hell of an argument a couple weeks ago.

    [/threadjack]

  43. Unregistered Comment by demonicgerbil

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    by LC Robohobo

    demonicgerbil is a gamer troll. how the heck did it find it’s way here?

    Actually when I posted I didn’t see any comments after DJ Allyn’s, so I was mocking his post. But you go right on calling me a troll.

  44. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    You can either express your support, express your indifference to a “silly exercise” by abstaining, or you can forever mark yourself as being against supporting our troops and their commanders.

    Those who voted against the amendment did so NOT because they were against the troops, but because they felt that the Senate had no business addressing this issue.

    I notice that the Senate hasn’t issued amendments or resolutions whenever Acid Annie Coulter speaks, or Michelle Malkin squeeks. Do they say anything when Michael Savage spews out his hate?

    Maybe they will now that they’ve set yet another precedent.

    MoveOn simply asked a question in their ad — “Is General Petraeus going to betray us?” I’m thinking that is a far cry from accusing President Clinton of being a murderer, a sex offender, a drug dealer, among other things.

    It is a lot different than what people right here said about General Wesley Clarke back in 2004, and what you still say about John Kerry right now. Maybe THAT is why there are Democrats who would vote against this meaningless amendment.

    Bush used Petraeus as a shield to protect himself from direct questions and attacks. He politicized the General by using him as his go-between.

    As many have stated here before, Petraeus works for Bush, not the other way around. The general should have reported to Bush, and BUSH should have been sitting in the hot seat.

    If you are going to politicize the military brass, expect the political firestorm to hit them too.

    Besides, do we have General Officers who need to be bubble-wrapped and protected from public opinion? Did MoveOn hurt the general’s feelings or something?

    If the General can’t take opinions of other people, then how in the hell is he going to be in charge of a military operation?

    And that is exactly what MoveOn did with their ad: They exercised their right to free speech and spoke their opinion.

  45. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    ‘Tried to put it as concisely as I could when I wrote:
    I’m just as interested in knowing who speaks against the war -then supports votes to support,,as to know who is talking up troop support, as they work otherwise..
    Ah, but no workee:

    Well, I tried to decipher what you just said — my Conservative to Progressive dictionary didn’t work.

    ‘Try again,, folks say they want things, then do things that cannot be reconciled with the stated goals.
    This clears the air.
    I don’t believe anything they say,,but I’ll marshal my actions based on what they sign their name to.
    True colors,, the big hint.

  46. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Here’s a ‘ferinstance,,
    Nancy pelosi, in my mind, by everything I’ve seen her do and say is usually furious if she can’t lead the next BDS attack charge,,,wellllll,, she voted with the same folks who either can’t find it in themselves to condemn Gen, Patreaus a liar,,, or feel that doing so could hurt their career.

    There’s other reasons out there too, but here, the right thing got done.
    I’d a’ never known she had it in her to buck her moonbat base without this vote..

  47. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    MoveOn simply asked a question in their ad —

    ‘Twas no question, but a statement. Obviously not to be questioned.
    All the more reason to do so.

    Bush used Petraeus as a shield to protect himself from direct questions and attacks.

  48. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Those who voted against the amendment did so NOT because they were against the troops, but because they felt that the Senate had no business addressing this issue.

    That’s what the “present” vote is for, Dave. But that wasn’t good enough for them, was it?

    I notice that the Senate hasn’t issued amendments or resolutions whenever Acid Annie Coulter speaks, or Michelle Malkin squeeks.

    Awwwww, whassa matter, Dr. Dumbfuck? Ism’s pissed off because Ann & Michelle can debate rings around your ass?

    Awwwww.

    Do they say anything when Michael Savage spews out his hate?

    Ann, Michelle and Savage aren’t giving aid & comfort to the enemy like these traitorous fucks of yours, Dave.

    Maybe they will now that they’ve set yet another precedent.

    Sure, why not? I think the Senate should try for single-digit approval ratings!

    MoveOn simply asked a question in their ad — “Is General Petraeus going to betray us?” thinking that is a far cry from accusing President Clinton of being a murderer, a sex offender, a drug dealer, among other things.

    Except that there’s a little bit more evidence of the latter than of the former. (I know that sticks in your craw, Dave, but that’s your problem - not mine.)

    It is a lot different than what people right here said about General Wesley Clarke back in 2004, and what you still say about John Kerry right now. Maybe THAT is why there are Democrats who would vote against this meaningless amendment.

    Bush used Petraeus as a shield to protect himself from direct questions and attacks. He politicized the General by using him as his go-between.

    As many have stated here before, Petraeus works for Bush, not the other way around. The general should have reported to Bush, and BUSH should have been sitting in the hot seat.

    As has been pointed out to you before, the law required General Petraeus to be made available to appear before Congress.

    But I am glad to see you advocate telling Congress what to go do with itself. Lot of us have favored that for awhile now.

    Besides, do we have General Officers who need to be bubble-wrapped and protected from public opinion? Did MoveOn hurt the general’s feelings or something?

    I do believe that General Petraeus has a helluva lot thicker skin than, say, your honeyboy Murthafucker. As I recall, at the very thought of his name being linked to the word “coward”, he threw quite the hissy fit.

    And that is exactly what MoveOn did with their ad: They exercised their right to free speech and spoke their opinion.

    And were exposed as the traitors, fuckwits and pussies that they are.

    Interesting to see you side with them so.

  49. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    ‘Try again,, folks say they want things, then do things that cannot be reconciled with the stated goals.

    Okay, better. I think I understand what you were trying to say, and if you will permit, I will re-phrase so that we are saying the same thing:

    [You] are interested in those who speak out
    against the war, yet votes to support or continue
    the war. [You] are also interested with those who say they
    support the troops, but vote against them.

    Is this the gist of what you said? If so, I will address it…

    You can be against a war and still vote to continue it. I don’t like the war — in hindsight it didn’t need to happen. But I am not foolish enough to say that we can simply pick up our ball and go home at this point. We broke it, we bought it.

    Most people who are against the war feel this way. They want us out of there now if possible, or as soon as possible. They don’t want to hear more of the same, with a never-ending scenario. The stated reasons turned out to be false, we see no real progress — if anything, things are worse now than they were before we started.

    The problem with this “war” is that there were never any real set goals or even a plan for after we took Iraq. Yes, we bulldozed in there and wiped out the Iraqi Army and the government. We took out Saddam Hussein and …

    It is that “…” that we have had such a problem with. We know we can go into just about anywhere and throw our weight around and destroy a lot of things. There aren’t many countries in the world who have even a prayer of standing up to us.

    Our big problem is the aftermath. We got it, but what do we do with it?

    We are no good at occupying. The Germans were, but they were pretty damn brutal in doing it. In order to occupy a country we have to have most of the people on board with it — and they certainly can’t be fighting each other in the process.

    Most people here know we can’t just up and leave, but they also don’t like the “stay the course” one-song dance of this adminstration either. They see that nothing has been working for four years now, and they want a change of plans.

    But Bush doesn’t want a change of plans, and he tried to trick people into thinking that he had this “new plan” with his ’surge’ idea.

    His big sell on The Surge™ was that if it was ’successful’, he would then be able to bring down the number of troops currently in Iraq. The benchmarks would be greater security, less violence, and a unified government.

    By every independent report, most of those benchmarks failed.

    Yet Bush — through Petraeus — is declaring The Surge™ as ’successful’ and they are going to do as they ‘promised’: They are bringing down the troop levels in Iraq. The headlines after that announcement said to the effect:

    “Bush to bring home some troops”

    Halelooya! Bush is finally bringing home the troops!

    Ah, but they didn’t mention that he was only bringing home the troops involved in The Surge™ and that the numbers remaining are going to be exactly the same as the number that were there just prior to The Surge™.

    A great shell game, with Petraeus as Bush’s shill.

    The second part dealing with “supporting the troops” but then “voting against them”.

    Did you miss the other votes yesterday dealing with giving more time at home between deployments? 43 Republicans filibustered against 56 mostly Democrats so that it couldn’t get a vote. Granted, the bill would have severely effected the troop level deployed to Iraq, but it highlights how much this administration has stressed our military.

    In all of this, nobody even mentions the number of private contractor security currently in Iraq. (Bush’s private army?) Depending on the source, those numbers are said to be between 30k and 125k, and a huge chunk of the money we spend in Iraq is going to pay them their six-figure salaries.

    I’ve seen what these returning vets have to look forward to from this administration. I’ve worked with a lot of them over the past four years. The lack of support from this administration is criminal. Much of the legislation proposed to fix many of the problems have been stalled by Republicans who filibuster the bills.

    So before you decide to cast your stone at Democrats who refuse to vote for a meaningless amendment, first look at your own Party as they block benefits for returning vets.

    Better yet, maybe spend a few hours a week volunteering for these returning vets. If you have a Fisher House in your area, they can always use help.

    Supporting the troops mean a lot more than having a faded yellow magnet ribbon on the back of your SUV.

  50. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    MoveOn simply asked a question in their ad — “Is General Petraeus going to betray us?” I’m thinking that is a far cry from accusing President Clinton of being a murderer, a sex offender, a drug dealer, among other things.

    Bill Clinton IS a sex offender. The drug dealer allegations I always thought were a bit of a stretch, but they have been made, by a lot of both Democrats and Republicans, since his days as the Arkansas AG. Murderer? No, Hillary was always the one who authorized the wet work.

    Granted, the bill would have severely effected the troop level deployed to Iraq, but it highlights how much this administration has stressed our military.

    Also makes a pretty fair indication of how badly Clintoon GUTTED our Military. If we only still had those 4 Army Divisions, Air Wings, Marine Expeditionary Brigades, Navy Ships, etc, we wouldn’t have a stressed Military right now.

    ===========================

    Question their patriotism? Why, no, as a matter of fact, I’ve had no reason to question the patriotism of these people since they nominated McGovern. They pretty well established that they have none, for all times, with that stupid move.

    And no HONOR.

    And no HONESTY.

    And no appreciation for the gifts that better men died to give them.

  51. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Stanley Glen Allyn is so full of shit his teeth are floating in it.

    Those who voted against the amendment did so NOT because they were against the troops, but because they felt that the Senate had no business addressing this issue.

    DJ, this is almost as pathetic as quoting Glen Douchewald - Mr. Credibility himself. Do you ever post anything but verbose crap?

  52. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Yes, buy gummers,, that’s purty much it,,however,,all that other fluffy stuff,, I’ve got waaay too much real-life interferance to wade into the all that spun crap.

    ‘Don’t really care so much about why anyone says they keep a postition,,as I care about what they do, and who they are.
    All sides.
    ‘I’d even respect a “no” vote more than a blank box.
    ‘Least they have a pair.

    Ah, but they didn’t mention that he was only bringing home the troops involved in The Surge™ and that the numbers remaining are going to be exactly the same as the number that were there just prior to The Surge™

    ..as they said they would do, when certain goals are met.
    I’m not confused tho’,, distractions like this are very effective at muddling minds too weak to conceive the complexity and critical nature of the overall mission, and how it ties in with bigger struggles we face world-wide.
    ‘Gotta know who’s who. Good vote. Me happy.

  53. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Those who voted against the amendment did so NOT because they were against the troops, but because they felt that the Senate had no business addressing this issue.

    Got that from the DNC site? I’m asking in all honesty because I know that it’s going to be the official Talking Point.

    It’s awfully convenient with ambiguous actions like that that you can spin and explain away later on. On one hand, you’re throwing the nutroots a bone by “sticking it to the babykillers”, ensuring a continuing cashflow from them and, out of the other side of your mouth, you blabber something like what you mentioned above.

    Of course, the unambiguous way of expressing your disdain for “irrelevant” issues would be to simply refuse to take part in them, but that wouldn’t tickle the nutroots around the wallet area, now would it?

    Nice spin, though, and I mean that quite honestly.

    I notice that the Senate hasn’t issued amendments or resolutions whenever Acid Annie Coulter speaks, or Michelle Malkin squeeks.

    Is anybody stopping them? I mean, you DO know who has the majority in the Senate these days, don’t you?

    Oh, and tu quoque is really unworthy of you. I expect better than that.

    MoveOn simply asked a question in their ad — “Is General Petraeus going to betray us?”

    Oh sure they did.

    And that is exactly what MoveOn did with their ad: They exercised their right to free speech and spoke their opinion.

    And that is exactly what a majority of the Senate did with their amendment too.

    And the minority expressed, just as clearly, that they didn’t agree with that opinion.

    Spin as much as you want, I know they will too, but they own that now.

    Mheh.

  54. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    buy gummers

    Is that legal Cheapshot? :em93:

  55. maxxpig Comment by maxxpig

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    DJ
    In 2004, Clarke wasn’t a General in charge of troops in combat, testifying before Congress as per law. I don’t recall full page ads questioning his loyalty, honor or integrity anyways.

  56. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Is that legal Cheapshot?

    39,000 assisted care facilities can’t all be wrong,,

  57. chuck Comment by chuck

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    Bush used Petraeus as a shield to protect himself from direct questions and attacks. He politicized the General by using him as his go-between.

    As many have stated here before, Petraeus works for Bush, not the other way around. The general should have reported to Bush, and BUSH should have been sitting in the hot seat.

    #1. The law your Dems passed required the General to tetify
    #2. You’re right. The gGeneral should never have been required to testify before Congress.
    #3. The President does not answer to Congress exept for “He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union…” (Article 2 Sec. 3)

    We are no good at occupying.

    We seemed to do a pretty damned good job of it with Germany and Japan. Oh yeah, we didn’t have to deal with all the traitors giving aid and comfort to the enemy back then. (And our leadership back then atleast had enough sense to qwrite their constitutions for them. I will continue to excoriate Bush for turning over the constitution writing process to savages instead of telling them “This is the government you will have, now pick your leaders like we did after WWII.)

    Did you miss the other votes yesterday dealing with giving more time at home between deployments? 43 Republicans filibustered against 56 mostly Democrats so that it couldn’t get a vote. Granted, the bill would have severely effected the troop level deployed to Iraq, but it highlights how much this administration has stressed our military.

    Sorry that isn’t “Supporting the troops”. That is political manuevering. And besides that, deployment decisions are the perview of the militery chain of command, which, no matter how hard I look, I don’t see Congress being a part of.

  58. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    From Matthew, Chapter 7:

    15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    By their votes,
    Their Words,
    Their deeds,

    We know you. And you are the face of evil.

  59. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Indeed Wil. Neither hot nor cold….to be spewed from his mouth. I simply find them spiritually bereft, abhorrent beings, unworthy of the name American…… They are a menace to one and all, the attainment of power their mantra, a soul enslaving doctrine their goal. If not for the problems they cause I could almost find sympathy for them. However, I have none, I simply ran out, for they richly deserve what is coming. Somehow I think time is on my side……..

  60. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    pretty pathetic opposing view

    we can get the same tripe at DU

  61. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Bill Clinton IS a sex offender.

    He is? Where is the conviction? He is no more a “sex offender than Rudy, Newt, Fred@#$!, and many others who have sought sex from women other than their wives. The difference is, Bill is still married to the same woman, whereas several of the Republican front-runners are on wife number three.

    Gotta love them “family values”.

    Murderer? No, Hillary was always the one who authorized the wet work.

    Unlike Hillary, Laura Bush has actually killed someone. Hillary’s “murder” is not backed up by any facts, it is just one of those allegations thrown out there to stick to her.

    Also makes a pretty fair indication of how badly Clintoon GUTTED our Military.

    Yes, based on recommendations put forward by George Bush the Elder and Darth Dick Cheney. The Cold War was over and relations with our former enemy was warming. We felt that even with the cuts we could still take everyone else with our nuclear arsenal tied behind our back.

    And we can. But we can’t sustain an occupation of a sovereign country that doesn’t really want us at our currently levels for very long. For that reason alone is why The Surge™ would never continue.

    While I am on the subject of Iraq being a “sovereign nation”, after today we can drop that lie. We just proved that we don’t consider Iraq to be its own sovereign nation when it tells us that they don’t want Blackwater in their country and we tell them to go fuck themselves.

    Now we know what Bush’s response will be if and when the Iraqis decide to tell our military to leave.

    So for those of you who don’t think we are occupying Iraq — you can’t get too much clearer that that.

    Question their patriotism? Why, no, as a matter of fact, I’ve had no reason to question the patriotism of these people since they nominated McGovern. They pretty well established that they have none, for all times, with that stupid move.

    Both parties have seemed hell-bent on using the Constitution as toilet paper. I know that most Republicans only see the Second Amendment, but there are many more rights that are slowly being eroded away. Your response would be that the Constitution is not a “suicide pact” but I think that is a false argument. The moment we start to make exceptions to the Constitution, we have given up. The enemy has won — they made us restrict our “freedoms”.

    You have a pretty skewed idea of what “patriotism” is. The original patriots of this country spoke out against the government and its actions. Some were even hung for daring to speak out against the Crown. “Our country right or wrong” was NOT a concept with the original patriots of this country. In fact, just the opposite.

    You love to protect the idea of the Second Amendment, but you fail to understand what its purpose was. It was to be able to stand up against an oppressive government that didn’t listen to its people. While it isn’t all that practical now, given the fact that the government far outguns its citizenry, the idea is still the same: we have an avenue to resist the government and that of and by itself is a patriotic act.

    But the true portion of the Constitution that allows for patriotic activities is the First Amendment. Anyone can say anything he or she wants against the government and its agents without fear of reprisal from that government. The Senate vote the other day skirted pretty close to violating that Amendment.

    pretty pathetic opposing view

    we can get the same tripe at DU

    Well, stopped clock and all that.

    I keep telling all of you that I don’t visit DU. I don’t visit Kos, or any of the other “progressive sites of note”. I might run across something from time-to-time, but frankly, I find the opposition sites like this one MUCH more interesting.

    But Christopher, if you want to debate, then I would have a lot more respect for you. Perhaps you hadn’t noticed, but I DO respect MOST of the people here on this site, even though we don’t agree on a lot of topics here.

    But honestly? I am NOT one of those partisan people who thinks LEFT is the ONLY way. I know that in the grand scheme of things, if we all were to meet on the street somewhere, we would probably agree on 99.9 percent of things. Here we only talk about that .1 percent of topics we disagree on and it just LOOKS like we hate each other’s POV.

    The Reality: I respect everyone’s honest POV. Start calling me names and I can be the biggest asshole you could ever imagine. I’ve been in situations and places most of you only heard about.

    Okay, I have had too much of my pain medication and it has really kicked in now. I should go before i say waaaaay too much.

  62. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    I’d worry more about replacing them if they did get tossed than bitching coz they didn’t.

  63. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Irony Alert:

    Since the Senate voted to condemn free speech and certain opinions, MoveOn has raised an additional $500k.

    Dear MoveOn member,

    Yesterday, an amazing thing happened. After the Senate’s shameful vote, and after President Bush called MoveOn “disgusting,” our email started to fill up with messages like this one:

    I’m currently in Iraq. I do not agree with this war, and if I did support this war, it would not matter. You have the RIGHT to speak the truth. We KNOW that you support us. Thank you for speaking out for being our voice. We do not have a voice. We are overshooted by those who say that we soldiers do not support organizations like MoveOn. WE DO.

    YOU ARE OUR voice.

    And then came the donations. By midnight, over 12,000 people had donated $500,000—more than we’ve raised any day this year—for our new ad calling out the Republicans who blocked adequate rest for troops headed back to Iraq.

    The message from MoveOn members was loud and clear: Don’t back down. Take the fight back to the issues that matter.

    So today we’re shooting for a very ambitious goal: Reach $1 million so we can dramatically expand the campaign we launched yesterday going after politicians who support this awful war. Can you chip in $25 toward our goal?

    All day, messages from vets and military family members kept pouring into our email, many of them aimed at the Senate:

    I have given a son to this country. My brother, my father, my uncle have all served honorably and bravely. I am a loyal American. I am outraged and sick to death of the tactics this administration uses to try to silence dissent to a war that is unjust, built and maintained on lies, political power, and greed. I was content to let others fight more loudly, but no more.
    –Sharyn W., NC

    I am a prior soldier who served in Iraq for 13 months, and am now an expecting mom with a husband who is deployed in Baghdad. I don’t think I can ever forgive the Bush administration for the lies that tricked America into this war and hurt my family so badly. I am ashamed of those American politicians who would condemn an organization for practicing the Freedom of Speech that so many soldiers have died for.
    –Danielle B., OH

    As a US Navy veteran and an Iraq war veteran of over a year I want to ask, What has happened to us? What has happened to our voice? Where is this country going with stopping free speech and free press? … Every time I think of the long nights I had in Anbar remembering what I was fighting for, well here it is….
    –Ahmad H., LA

    These folks have made sacrifices many of us can’t imagine. Their charge to us was clear: keep speaking the truth about how President Bush and the Republicans have betrayed our trust.

    So we’re going to expand our ad campaign—keep it on the air longer and run it against other politicians who helped block adequate rest time for our troops. Can you chip in $25 to do it?

    And still the messages kept coming …

    I’ve had three nephews serve since 2002, one of whom was killed in Anbar Province. I have a fourth nephew at Quantico training. I want this war over before he is deployed and before any more of our soldiers are sacrificed.
    –Michele R., NE

    Three members of my family are military. Two Marines have served in Iraq and an Army Lt. is deploying in November. If we had all spoken out when the administration used General Powell perhaps we would not be in this mess.
    –Carol B., PA

    As a Marine I served for many reasons but one of them was to allow people the freedom of speech, whether I agreed with it or not. Wearing a uniform does not mean someone isn’t a shill, is spewing propaganda, and downright lies. MoveOn has every right to buy an ad and say what they want about a public figure. This administration has lied to us, deceived us, misled us and when posed with a challenge this is how they respond?
    –Keith G., VA

    The Senate won’t pass a policy to end the war or even to make sure our troops in the field have enough rest time between deployments, but they hold votes to crack down on millions of Americans who are upset about the war?

    Well—it isn’t going to work. We put together a hard-hitting ad that highlights how Republicans failed our troops and if we can raise enough money today, we’ll air it across the country. Please help if you can:

    For all of us on the MoveOn staff, this week was a bit of a rollercoaster—MoveOn was attacked by nearly the entire Republican party, while too many Democrats ran for the hills. But what kept us going were messages like these—and the incredible privilege we feel to serve all 3.2 million Americans in MoveOn.org.

    When the story is written of how the Iraq war ended, you will be the heroes. Thank you.

    FOX News is probably correct:

    MoveOn Gravy Train Makes and Breaks Political Fortunes

    MoveOn gives a hellova lot of cash to the Democrats. So it isn’t surprising that there are going to be Democrats not willing to bite off the hand that feeds them.

    There is a strange movement underway within the Progressive/Liberal movement. People aren’t quite as willing to give cash donations to the DNC, DLC, or the DCCC any more. Instead, they are giving it to MoveOn because that is the message they are trying to get across to the Democrats in Congress.

    An interesting poll from Gallup was just released and it shows that more Republicans than Democrats approve of the current Congress.

    Gee, that’s not too hard to figure out. A Democratic majority in both houses, and it is the minority party running the show in the Senate with 41 votes.

    Hey, I’m all for it! There is no reason why only the Republicans get to block votes. Let’s just block everything. They could hold public hearings but when it comes down to voting for anything? Either don’t bring it to the floor or filibuster the vote.

    This is pretty much what the majority of people are saying in the Gallup poll.

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    Doesn’t change the definition of treason, or change the dynamics of the war.

    When they say the war is wrong, discounting all documents and history to the contrary,, I respect their grief, and still hold out hope that they will understand how they got there,, if they are really who they say they are.
    Al Q’erry’s posers are still out there, mind you.

  65. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    He is? Where is the conviction? He is no more a “sex offender than Rudy, [yadayadayada, etc.]

    He is. He admitted to it, when he plead to the Contempt charge. Adultery is an unlawful act in DC and in Arkansas, the two jurisdictions in question. Personally, I could give a damn, but you brought it up. I think Bill is still married because Hil would spay him in a hot minute if he tried to leave.

    Yes, based on recommendations put forward by George Bush the Elder and Darth Dick Cheney. The Cold War was over and relations with our former enemy was warming. We felt that even with the cuts we could still take everyone else with our nuclear arsenal tied behind our back.

    No, the recomendation was to reduce the Army from 16 active Divisions to 14. Clintoon and Les Aspin bypassed 14, and went straight to 10, cutting Active Army strength by 60 percent, AGAINST the recommendations of Bush the Elder, Dick Cheney and the Generals in charge. Similar nasty things were done to the Navy, Marines and Air Force.

    Stop rewriting history.

    The Senate vote the other day skirted pretty close to violating that Amendment.

    How so? MoveOn has a right to make fucking fools of themselves, the Senate has a right to call them on it. The Senators that voted “nay” agreed with MoveOn. The proper way to say “this is stupid” is to vote “Present.” That is actually a well used and accepted precident.

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    Okay, I have had too much of my pain medication and it has really kicked in now. I should go before i say waaaaay too much.

    Shalom, Dave. Be Well, and May God Protect you and yours.

  66. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    The Senate won’t pass a policy to end the war or even to make sure our troops in the field have enough rest time between deployments, but they hold votes to crack down on millions of Americans who are upset about the war?

    I’ve noticed that’s growing concern on the left about “rest time” for the troops.

    When Slick willy had the balls to cut the entire Sixth Fleet Op schedule from aprox 6-8 months underway with 18 months between deployments to 8-10 months and less than 15 between major deployments none one gave a flying fuck now did they? And guess what the 6th fleet is as many people as in Baghdad right now, and they’ve been doing it for YEARS…

    Part of his so called called “peace dividend”.

    Crack down on what? Where?! Who got cracked down on…Damn it! I want to see the leftfag get his head bashed in by the NaziBush..Oh wait it didn’t happen…that’s right *sigh*

    Millions? Ohh yes 500,000.00 dollars at a quarter a piece yep that’s millions…..figure anyone that’s gonna donate will do so at a much higher rate than .25 cents…POOF Whoopppps…there goes that “millions”
    Asstard… learn some math before you start speaking in tounges will ya? …millions my ass. Bowelmoveon only wishes they had those sorts of numbers.

    New lefttard talking points…gotta love em.

  67. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ sez:

    Since the Senate voted to condemn free speech and certain opinions, MoveOn has raised an additional $500k.

    Oh give me a break man…condemning free speech…..are you now so bereft of your usual intelligent and reasoned opinions that you have to use the gutter argument of “Republicans are taking away our RIIIIIGHTS”……..Good Lord man.

    If you want to talk about taking away rights let’s talk about the kidnapping of Elian Gonzales from an American citizens house by Federal Agents on orders from Janet Reno….trashing the 4th Amendment??? can I call it that??

    I’m all for the libs giving money to MoveOn. Keep giving, if you want to talk about taking away rights let’s talk about the agenda that a far left government….bought and paid for by george soros…would do to your sacred rights Dave. I also fully support MoveOn’s right to say this shit…say it loud and clear, reinforce what us reasonable, patriotic, troop supporting Americans have long suspected about MoveOn. That they are America hating, treasonous, lying, marxist bastards…owned by the biggest socialist bastard of them all. They have the right to say anything they please, and I also have the right to condemn what they say…..

    in case you’ve forgotten, rights go both ways sir.

  68. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ:

    Okay, I have had too much of my pain medication and it has really kicked in now. I should go before i say waaaaay too much.

    Take care man, and get well. I look forward to many future debates with you.

  69. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Okay, I have had too much of my pain medication and it has really kicked in now. I should go before i say waaaaay too much.

    But,but,,that was the part we came to see! :em93:

    Sleep well.

  70. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Since the Senate voted to condemn free speech and certain opinions

    Condemning an opinion is, in itself, an OPINION.

    Sheesh.

    Pull that one out of the hat if the Senate tries to prohibit MorOn.org from saying moronic shit, and I’ll be up there on the barricades right next to you.

    Criticism is NOT Censorship.

    Now go write that 1,000 times and all will be forgiven.

  71. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    Criticism is NOT Censorship.

    Yes, the left does seem to believe this. The irony, though, is the ones that are screaming the loudest are the ones who are claiming that their, “dissent,” is being quelled. That damned fascist Bush isn’t very efficient in quelling dissent, is he?

    To put it another way, “Free speech,” gives you the right to express your opinion, but it also gives me the right to express my disagreement with your opinion.

    Was this all about politics? You’re darn tootin’!

    But so is the traitorous behavior of the Harry Reids and the Dick Durbins. Their anti-war, anti-troop, anti-Petraeus rhetoric is all about making Bush look bad, and therefore themselves look better.

    Move.On was not asking a question, they were making a statement. They were impugning a man’s character.

    The fact that DJ can’t acknowledge this is quite telling….

  72. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Doesn’t change the definition of treason, or change the dynamics of the war.

    Okay, let’s work with the definition of treason, shall we?

    treason

    In the United States, treason was defined restrictively by the framers of the Constitution. History had taught them that men in power might falsely or loosely charge treason against their opponents; therefore, they denied Congress the authority to enlarge or reshape the offense. Treason against the United States “shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them aid and comfort.”

    There is a real good description of the history of treason and what constitutes it. It is very restrictive in its definition — and purposely so.

    We are not “at war” for the definition of treason, and we are not “at war” with another nation — the second part. Congress hasn’t declared a war since WW II.

    Bush has declared a “war” against a tactic, just as LBJ declared “war” against poverty and Nixon declared a “war” against drugs. All of those “wars” have subjective meanings, and are really nothing more that wisps of smoke and mirrors. There is no defined or tangible enemy, nor is there any benchmark that tells you when such a “war” is over, and a victor declared.

    But for the definition of “treason” and “aid and comfort”, Bush’s little occupation and his fake war on terror doesn’t come close to the requirement.

    He is. He admitted to it, when he plead to the Contempt charge.

    How many times do I have to explain it to you? You don’t plead “guilty” to a civil contempt charge. There is no “conviction” in a civil matter — only a finding by the court. Bill Clinton was found to be in Civil Contempt of court for his “willful violation of discovery orders.”

    No matter now many times you try to trott out the idea that Clinton was “convicted” of anything, it doesn’t change the cold, hard facts. You can only be “convicted” of a criminal offense. Civil Contempt is not a criminal offense.

    Adultery is an unlawful act in DC and in Arkansas, the two jurisdictions in question.

    And yet neither jurisdiction charged or convicted him. But hey, prostitution is a crime in DC and Louisiana, and David Vitter has admitted to frequenting prostitutes in both jurisdictions — does this mean he is a “sex offender” also?

    Just asking — I’m thinking that if you want to throw out the “sex offender” label for everyone who has ever had sex outside of marriage, then there should be a whole lotta people registering — many of them currently running for President, I might add.

    I asked the question — Where is the conviction — and you couldn’t tell me because there is none.

    Stop rewriting history.

    I’m not. You blamed all of the military reductions on Clinton, and I merely stated that Bush the Elder started them.

    Clinton reduced the size even more — granted. But that was based on the dynamics of the time. We weren’t planning on the perpetual occupation of another country and a series of pre-emptive wars so that the oil companies could control the world’s oil supply and increase profits.

    war is good for some businesses and you have to be blind not to see the real drivers behind this ‘war’ on terror.

    the Senate has a right to call them on it.

    Not when it comes to restricting free speech. I know that is a foreign concept to many of you, but it isn’t the duty of the Senate to condemn someone or some group for exercising their free speech because that comes real close to restricting it.

    What would be next, Congress condemning people who speak out against Congress? Against the President? Sites like this one would be one of the first casualties, because there is a lot of free speech opinions here that could easily be “condemned” by Congress.

    Part of his so called called “peace dividend”.

    Again, for the same reason stated above. Clinton wasn’t anticipating a “war president” whose only claim to fame is having a perpetual war against something. (if Bush didn’t have this war, he would have been a one-term president.)

    Oh give me a break man…condemning free speech…..are you now so bereft of your usual intelligent and reasoned opinions that you have to use the gutter argument of “Republicans are taking away our RIIIIIGHTS”……..Good Lord man.

    You people have been beating your chests over this “outrage” that MoveOn did for over a week now. They publicized their opinion. They exercised their free speech rights. They didn’t even CALL Petraeus anything — they only asked a fucking question: “General Petraeus or General Betray us?”

    For that, the Republicans in the Senate pushed for a resolution that condemned the MoveOn ad, while at the same time mischaracterized the whole thing.

    Read the ad closely. They didn’t say Petraeus would betray us, they said he was likely to.

    And yes, there are a whole lot of people who feel this administration has betrayed us. Bush chose to use Petraeus as his mouth piece, so since the General became part of the political discussion of the war, you have to expect that he is going to get the political opinions as well.

    If you want to talk about taking away rights let’s talk about the kidnapping of Elian Gonzales from an American citizens house by Federal Agents on orders from Janet Reno….trashing the 4th Amendment??? can I call it that??

    That is just the tip of the ice berg when it comes to the Fourth Amendment. The reality is, that the Fourth Amendment has been systematically dismantled by the courts for over thirty years — and most of it during the past five years.

    If you want to have some eye-opening reading, read the annotations of Fourth Amendment cases.

    Condemning an opinion is, in itself, an OPINION.

    In an area where the Senate has no jurisdiction?

    I don’t really care that the Senate voted on something as stupid as this, but surely there are more important things they could be spending their time doing?

    I have finally come to the position that I would much rather they didn’t do a damn thing from now until 2009. Maybe that will clear out all of the riff-raff of BOTH parties and new blood can take over again.

  73. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    In an area where the Senate has no jurisdiction?

    Now, we have to have Jurisdiction to have an opinion?

  74. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Now, we have to have Jurisdiction to have an opinion?

    Well, if you want to separate it from a meaningless political grandstanding to something that really means something.

    The reality is, this has done more to fill the coffers if MoveOn than anything they could have done on their own.

    Nicely played.

  75. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Test.

  76. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Hmm, Dave, for some reason, this thread is showing just ate up in Mozilla.

    Comments since your next to last (#72) look weird. The end of comment # 72 shows up fine. At the words “Posted on today @ 2;39 “`etc., at the trail of your comment, everything is full page width (no sidebar after #72), and the font is black on black background for the normal stuff. Names are still medium blue, blockquotes are full page width black on pale grey, but all the other writing is black on black. Have to highlight it to read.

    None of the other threads seem to be effected (so far), and I checked in IE 6.0, and this thread is normal there.

    Probably a Firefox artifact, but it is ONLY on this thread. Decidedly strange.

  77. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    The reality is, this has done more to fill the coffers if MoveOn than anything they could have done on their own.

    Nicely played.

    I believe you’re the one who is being “nicely played”. Just because you choose to lap up everything that moveon.org spews, including their latest communique, it doesn’t mean the rest of us should or do find cause to believe anything they claim.

    Speaking of “reality”, by the way, I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone here who shares your perception of reality on damn near anything. “HarleyRace” comes closest, but he doesn’t count because he’s not for real.

  78. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    LC Wil, our comments haven’t been eaten up, per se. It’s just that the black text isn’t showing up on the black background. Run your pointer over the text area with the left mouse button depressed and you’ll see. Why the background is black is another issue though….

  79. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, I can find everything. Kinda looks like the raw comments page at Spats.

    I was just trying to explain to the resident tech wiz what’s happening.

    Dave is a hell of a WebSite developer and all round computer genius. Even if he is a moonbat. :em93:

  80. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Again, for the same reason stated above. Clinton wasn’t anticipating a “war president” whose only claim to fame is having a perpetual war against something. (if Bush didn’t have this war, he would have been a one-term president.)

    Bullshit that is a one trick pony and you know it.

    Sometimes talking to you is like talking to Little Bo Peep..the naivty and innocent act is wearing very thin Deej. No grown man could possibly as fucking moronic as you act to be. So drop the acts, there’s no Oscars on this blog.

    That is EXACTLY why Clitoon was such a BAD president, and why you assinine “liberals” refuse to admit to or reconize that fact is truly a pie in the sky dream, drug induced, or just plain ol “stuck on stoopid”.

    We’ll forget the simple fact that he in eyes of yes millions of Americans such as those on this blog totally devastated America’s image on the world stage, he made us a laughing stock. I know HONOR and DIGNITY is a foriegn concept to “liberals” such as you Deej but for once try to grasp those simple fucking concepts.

    His tearing through the military in his moronic quest has now resulted in yes a war time president under fire from lunatic anti war politicians and schrreching ass monkeys like moveon because of idiotic issues like troop rotation…

    You and those morons at Moveon can’t have it both ways, you crowed like cock of the walk banshees about the “peace dividend” then when it all came crashing down around your god damn ears on 9-11, you run around concoting half baked accusations of inside jobs, screech that Bush was too stupid to see it coming, and 6 years later your STILL lashing out at Bush because we’re straining our military. But don’t ask the pimple faced brat at college sucking off the government tit with student loans and free rides to serve his conuntry in a time of war… a draft what are you kidding me? The left will have a fucking stroke.
    Fuck that..it’s bullshit.

    Let’s recap the war thus far as heard from the left shall we??

    2002-2003 NO WAR No War Bush is Hitler Bush is an idiot he’s taking us to war …Trroooops are Nazi’s!

    2004 “We need More Troops!! Bush is an idiot he didnt deploy enough troops!! Trrooops are abusing innocents! Oh the Horooor Rapes!! Killings!!

    2005 Wars a quagmire, we’ve lost we’ve lost !!

    2006 Surge wont work it’ll be Genocide of Iraqis!!

    2006-2007 Bush surges troops to Iraq, “Surge wont work!! Genocide!!” Bush is an idiot! We told him we needed more troops it’s too late now!

    ooops General says it is showing progress…

    2007 “He is going to Betrays us! Bushes lap dog!! Trroooops are tired they need rest!!”

    There’s no give or take with you “liberals” none at all. And your truly not even “liberals” I don’t quite know what this current crop of so called “liberals” is but “liberal” is anything but an apt discription…You simply refuse to listen to any other views, so calling you and your brethren “liberal” is a misnomer anarchist is more realitive to your position, and I for one am sick of it.

    Fact. Your Buddy Bill not only devastated this countries ability to take on an aggressor, he ripped apart the very ability to forsee that sort of thing by his gutting of the intelligence services that provided protection to us as well.

    It’s in the books and your denial that Clintoon and his cabinet in fact ordered those vast reductions is bullshit and makes you at best a charleton and snake oil saleman, or just plain stupid, I don’t know what but at least have the balls and commen sense to admit that the Democracts and these schreeching assmonkies on the left bear just as much responsibility for this situation that the GOP does.

    For 5 years I served under Clintoon and I saw it with my own two eyes, so don’t sit there and propose to look down your nose at me and tell me I didn’t. because then I’m gonna call you what you would then be… a liar.

    The buzz phrase back then was “do more with less” it was how we were FORCED to operate. Myself and hunderds of thousands of others left during that time frame as there was no future. Clintoon stole any future we might of had. With his sheer arrognace and his disdain for anything military, trust me when I say this the fucking military HATED his fucking ass.

    In my Career field after the Clintoon purges, and yes they were purges… there were some 2,700 canidates for E-6…they promoted 18 (with NO zeros Dave). We were “granted” a staggering 1.5% pay raise as well. With numbers like that, taxes and the cost of living shooting through the roof, an 8 year veteran such as myself gets pinched and pinched hard, so what do you do? You get the fuck out no matter how much you loved the military. After all honor and courage don’t put food on your familes table and I’ll be god damned if I would go on food stamps. And yes ..It was that bad for thousands of military members.

    So don’t sit there and act like king shit of turd mountain pal, you ain’t even that, and as I said at the outset you and every other “liberal’s” naive and innocent act is nothing but a bunch of one trick pony shit.

  81. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    CiSSnarl5.7:

    You left one out:

    Sept 12, 2001: SAVE US! SAVE US! THE EVIL MUZZIES ARE GONNA GET US!

  82. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I believe you’re the one who is being “nicely played”. Just because you choose to lap up everything that moveon.org spews, including their latest communique, it doesn’t mean the rest of us should or do find cause to believe anything they claim.

    Lap up? Their donations are a matter of public record. It has to be reported. I can’t help it if progressive organizations are far outstripping their Conservative counterparts. It might just mean that the “conservative” message no longer resonates with a whole lotta people.

    Speaking of “reality”, by the way, I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone here who shares your perception of reality on damn near anything. “HarleyRace” comes closest, but he doesn’t count because he’s not for real.

    What, do you think I am here looking for people who agree with me? Hell, there are thousands of other sites I could be at if I wanted to participate in an “echo chamber”.

    Probably a Firefox artifact, but it is ONLY on this thread. Decidedly strange.

    I am using Mozilla Firefart 2.0.0.7 on this and I can’t reproduce what you are seeing.

    I have run across this before on certain pages and I think that it might be a video card problem. Mike M mentioned that he could “mouse over” the text and it appears. That is usually a video card that doesn’t have enough memory to render this page properly.

    A lot of the problem is the coding here. I am waiting for the final release of WP 2.3.0 to be released in a couple of days before I roll out the new updates to the code here. THAT should reduce some of the artifacts you are seeing.

    Dave is a hell of a WebSite developer and all round computer genius. Even if he is a moonbat. :em93:

    G’wan, admit it — I am irritating.

    That is EXACTLY why Clitoon was such a BAD president, and why you assinine “liberals” refuse to admit to or reconize that fact is truly a pie in the sky dream, drug induced, or just plain ol “stuck on stoopid”.

    Because you wanted to have a “war president”, and not a “prosperity president”?

    Clinton is still far more popular today than Bush will ever be from now on. Yes, Bush did become the most popular president ever right after the 9/11 attacks, but that was only an anomoly. Right now he hovers right around Nixon and Carter territory, and those numbers can only continue to drop.

    We’ll forget the simple fact that he in eyes of yes millions of Americans such as those on this blog totally devastated America’s image on the world stage, he made us a laughing stock.

    No, what made the whole thing a “laughing stock” was the Republican’s reaction to the whole thing.

    Do you realize that Clinton is one of those people who can hop a plane and travel to any capital in the world and be received by the heads of state on a moment’s notice?

    Bush, on the other hand, has pissed off more countries than any other president in our history. Some are just counting down the days until the next president takes office.

    His tearing through the military in his moronic quest has now resulted in yes a war time president under fire from lunatic anti war politicians and schrreching ass monkeys like moveon because of idiotic issues like troop rotation…

    News flash: the majority of people in this country — if not the whole fucking planet — no longer approve of Bush’s war.

    Besides, Bush has had almost seven years to “rebuild” the military up to whatever level you think is needed. What has been stopping him? Oh, that’s right, recruitment is below desired levels because most people don’t want to join. Hell, Bush even raised the maximum age to try and bring new people in.

    You and those morons at Moveon can’t have it both ways, you crowed like cock of the walk banshees about the “peace dividend” then when it all came crashing down around your god damn ears on 9-11, you run around concoting half baked accusations of inside jobs, screech that Bush was too stupid to see it coming, and 6 years later your STILL lashing out at Bush because we’re straining our military.

    I got whiplash over that last sentence — there were so many directions it took.

    Yes, we were well on the way to having peace in the world. It is, after all a goal of most people.

    Contrary to your perception, peace didn’t come “crashing down” on 9/11. We were attacked by 19 individual people following the plans of a tiny little splinter group at the time. It had nothing to do with whether we were at peace with other nations or not. Like it or not, under every conceivable definition it was a criminal act, not an act of war. Our government just chose to respond that way.

    Do I think it was an “inside job”? Hardly. Bush can’t keep from fucking up the simplest tasks, and frankly the way this government leaks like a seive, the entire story would have been out withing weeks of 9/11.

    It doesn’t mean that the administration didn’t know something was coming, I think they knew, but didn’t have any hard details. Remember, it was only a matter of hours before it was determined that OBL was behind this thing — and he didn’t broadcast it until days after the accusations. (part of me suspects that he didn’t know a damn thing about it until after the fact, and then took credit for it)

    But don’t ask the pimple faced brat at college sucking off the government tit with student loans and free rides to serve his conuntry in a time of war… a draft what are you kidding me? The left will have a fucking stroke.

    The minute there is a draft, this ‘war’ is over, and Republicans know this. Otherwise, there would have been a draft a long time ago.

    We aren’t in a “time of war” anyways. We are in an undeclared occupation of a “sovereign country” that is not allowed to make its own decisions.

    Like I said above, we can drop all pretenses that this administration sees Iraq as a sovereign nation. First we have Iraq banning Blackwater USA and the Bush Administration ignoring the demand, then we have Iraqi President Jalal Talabani has blasting the United States for the arrest Thursday of an Iranian and called for his immediate release. The US refuses to let him go.

    Yes, the man is an Iranian and we are supposed to have problems with Iranians. But That particular Iranian is in Iraq by permission of the Iraqi government — regardless of whatever “charges” the US wants to make against him. Since this man is on Iraqi sovereign soil, don’t you think the Iraqis get to decide who gets held and who gets released?

    No? Then we are occupying a country where WE are the government. Everything else is a farce.

    On the one hand, we say that the Iraqi government is sovereign, yet on the other we feel that the government cannot make decisions on its own.

    Now I don’t know if this Iranian detainee is an Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps-Quds Force as our military asserts. Frankly, it doesn’t matter, since the government of Iraq is demanding his release. If the US doesn’t recognize the Iraqi government or its decisions, then we are an occupying force that renders the Iraqi government meaningless.

    Wake up, lemmings. Your perceptions of Bush’s war on a tactic is wrong. We are there for the oil, and that is it. Everything else is window dressing. Even Alan Greenspan, before he had some “clarification” said this is a war for oil. (It makes you wonder who called Alan and threatened him to recant something he wrote about in his book, that passed several editors and vetting.

  83. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    BJ, you are a flaming idiot. Oops, I meant Stanley.

  84. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane

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    Y’all know, in times past one could count on reading the Rott without wading through steaming piles of stinking dhimmicrat jackass shit. Its getting to the point where there are no sites without this bull.

    Slick Willie was a disaster to Arkansas, I tried to warn people, everywhere my truck and my shortwave could reach, that he would be a disaster for the country. If it hadn’t been for the Republicans, lead by Gingrich our country would already be another communist hellhole.

    News flash: the majority of people in this country — if not the whole fucking planet — no longer approve of Bush’s war.

    Then go talk to them, The majority here tend to support both the war AND the troops. All this contrairian garbage is doing is lowering dhimmicrats in my opinion. AND, if we’re there for the fucking oil why in hell does gasoline cost $3 a gallon?

  85. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    News flash: the majority of people in this country — if not the whole fucking planet — no longer approve of Bush’s war.

    Ah, if only,,
    Y’know, not a single fight I was ever in ended when I changed my mind about fighting.

    Each one of those people are a tool for the terrorists.
    Aside of getting traction on their asses in the mud, they’re good for nothing more than just getting in peaces way.

    Besides, shrillery and her bitch did more to bring on this friggin war than Dubya ever could have.
    Bush could never have launched it without the liberal support,,,counting upon that was his blunder.

  86. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    News flash: the majority of people in this country — if not the whole fucking planet — no longer approve of Bush’s war.

    News flash, Dr. Dumbfuck: 1007 people on the Left & Lefter coasts do not constitute “the majority of people in this country”.

    They haven’t asked me, and I’m willing to bet they haven’t asked a helluva lot of people in Flyover Country™, either.

    I need not remind you that according to your so-called “majority of people in this country”, John F’n Ketchup-a$$ was beating the shit out of Bush. How’d that work out for them?

    And The Vat™ grows ever larger…

  87. L.C. Rowane Comment by L.C. Rowane

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    Well, color ME surprised!

    Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea

    First time I’ve noticed these dyed in the wool dhimmis actually voting logically.

  88. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    Just looked at the vote for the calling out of MoveOn.org. To say that I’m surprised that both of my state senators, Casey and Spector, voted for the Senate spanking really surprised me.

  89. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    BJ, you are a flaming idiot. Oops, I meant Stanley.

    Why is it that people like you dwell on homosexual references instead of offering an intelligent response?

    Y’all know, in times past one could count on reading the Rott without wading through steaming piles of stinking dhimmicrat jackass shit. Its getting to the point where there are no sites without this bull.

    Poor L.C. Rowane. You have to be exposed to opinions that might be contrary to your own. Did you need some bubblewrap for security or therapy?

    Then go talk to them, The majority here tend to support both the war AND the troops. All this contrairian garbage is doing is lowering dhimmicrats in my opinion.

    You mean you had a high opinion of “dhimmicrats”? Do tell.

    AND, if we’re there for the fucking oil why in hell does gasoline cost $3 a gallon?

    Well, genius, it is quite simple. If you control the supply, you can control the price. The demand is always going to be there. Also, as long as there is “uncertainty” in the region, the price per barrel is going to remain high. That “uncertainty” is caused by our being “at war”. In other words, our military actions only increases the profits on oil.

    Your problem is that you only hear one hand clapping. You don’t want to confuse your pre-conceived notions with other viewpoints because for you there is only one Truth™.

    I have always said that no one side of an issue holds the whole truth. The truth is found somewhere in the middle, because each side holds a partial. I don’t claim to be the be-all, end-all or even have all of the answers — I don’t. I learn a lot here from most people who actually have something to say, and while most of the time I am not wholly swayed, I can adjust my opinion for balance.

    News flash, Dr. Dumbfuck: 1007 people on the Left & Lefter coasts do not constitute “the majority of people in this country”.

    It’s not the same 1007 people, Spats, and it isn’t all conducted in one region.

    They haven’t asked me, and I’m willing to bet they haven’t asked a helluva lot of people in Flyover Country™, either.

    They haven’t asked me either — and my response would cancel yours out.

    As far as asking “a helluva lot” people in Flyover Country™ — there isn’t a helluva lot IN Flyover Country™

    You all loved to point out all of the “Red” on the election maps in 2004. Most of that red was in rural areas where there populations are very low. The “blue” were in areas where the majority of people are.

    I suspect that you are going to see your Flyover Country™ changing color this next election.

    I need not remind you that according to your so-called “majority of people in this country”, John F’n Ketchup-a$$ was beating the shit out of Bush. How’d that work out for them?

    Voting irregularities? It’s entirely possible that some Ohio election officials cooked the books. Some of them were even charged. Not to mention that there were voting machines that malfunctioned, certain areas had been deliberately shorted on machines, while others turned back voters because of last minute precinct changes.

    Precincts that had traditionally voted Democrat for generations suddenly voted for a Republican president — some by a margin larger than the number of voters in the precinct.

    It doesn’t necessarily mean that Kerry won, it just means that confidence in the vote itself is low. Which is a goal of Republicans anyways. Ask Paul Weyrich:

    “Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.

  90. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Voting irregularities? It’s entirely possible that some Ohio election officials cooked the books. Some of them were even charged. Not to mention that there were voting machines that malfunctioned, certain areas had been deliberately shorted on machines, while others turned back voters because of last minute precinct changes.

    Precincts that had traditionally voted Democrat for generations suddenly voted for a Republican president — some by a margin larger than the number of voters in the precinct.

    Prithee, Dave, what is to be excuse-de-jure in 2008? What was the excuse when the entire State of Georgia changed? Alabama? Tennessee? Arkansas?

    I mean, Voting Irregularities in Floriduh was the excuse in 2000, and Ohio in 2004. Where is the ouiji board gonna point for 2008?

    As a matter of fact, I recall the swing was the other way for the Washington Governor’s election a few years ago. The dead vote in King County alone outnumbered the margin of “victory,” IIRC. Nothing much came of those allegations, either.

    There have always been voting irregularities in every election I have paid attention to, going back to Chigago, 1960. I suspect there will always be someone who feels he “wuz robbed,” and will find something to point at. It’s just that the democrats are making noise about the last two, since they believed that a win was their manifest destiny. Try taking a deep breath and teach yer own professional “turn out” people to do a better job next time. Blaming the machines is an exercise in futility. The machines being used are accepted by both major parties before they are installed. Crying after the results are not what you wish is churlish. Especially when all the documented vote theft / graveyard vote / felon / illegal alien problems is coming from your side. A cop (or a dozen) outside the precinct doesn’t keep anyone from voting. Not if they are really entitled to do so.

    =====================

    Joe Lieberman could have been the sitting President as this cycle plays out. Stop blaming Diebold (who has been investigated and cleared several times), and run some candidates that don’t scare the ever loving hell out of a majority of Americans.

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    For what it’s worth, Paul Weyrich was quite correct (was that the quote from 1984, btw? just askin’). Any Special Interest Group’s influence will go down as sheer numbers of voters “dilute” their influence. As a matter of fact, I don’t want everyone to vote either - I believe that anyone accepting Govenment Handouts should keep their hands off the wheel of the Ship of State.

  91. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Prithee, Dave, what is to be excuse-de-jure in 2008? What was the excuse when the entire State of Georgia changed? Alabama? Tennessee? Arkansas?

    Who knows where they will be in 2008? We do know that there were irregularities in Ohio in 2004, and there definitely were in Florida in 2000.

    As a matter of fact, I recall the swing was the other way for the Washington Governor’s election a few years ago. The dead vote in King County alone outnumbered the margin of “victory,” IIRC. Nothing much came of those allegations, either.

    Yes, there were eight documented cases — ALL were absentee votes mailed out before the rolls could be purged.

    The state is required by law to send monthly lists of the deceased to county auditors so they can purge those names from their voter rolls. But those lists are sent only every few months. That means thousands of deceased voters may have been sent absentee ballots.

    Of course most people wouldn’t used those ballots, but there are those who might get a bit confused:

    Doris McFarland said she voted for her husband, Earl, who died Oct. 7.

    “I called up the elections board and said, ‘Can I do it because he wanted me to vote?’ ” the Duvall woman said. “The person … said, ‘Well, who would know?’ I said, ‘I don’t want to do anything that is wrong.’ ”

    Huennekens disputed that election workers would say such a thing.

    McFarland said she signed her husband’s name and mailed in his ballot, along with her own. She said she had power of attorney for her 92-year-old husband, who was blind.

    “If I did something that wasn’t right, you can just throw that ballot out,” McFarland said last night.

    Notice that it didn’t say WHO she voted for? You want to make the assumption that all eight of the votes went for Gregoire.

    Huennekens said one of the P-I’s eight cases involved an administrative error that showed a deceased person as voting and would be corrected. In four cases, the signatures on the ballot matched. Huennekens said officials needed further information or could not track down enough information on the other cases.

    Election officials said that if cases merit potential fraud, they would forward them on for prosecution.

    And yet Norm Meling, King County’s Republican prosecutor, never filed charges against anyone.

    Another Republican complaint was the number of felons that voted. At the trial in Wenatchee, that complaint really backfired on them when it was discovered that the majority of the “felon vote” went for Rossi. (Ex-felons were NOT going to vote for an Attorney General that they felt “fucked them” while they were incarcerated.)

    Stop blaming Diebold (who has been investigated and cleared several times)

    They have? :em99:

    Not here

    Nor here

    Nope, not here

    Or here

    Or here

    and many more

    There is a reason why Canada used them once and went back to paper ballots.

    There isn’t a computer expert out there who can say these machines can’t be easily hacked.

    That was only the voting machines themselves. There is also the Tabulators all states now use.

    Here is where a Diebold Tabulator has been hacked, much to the dismay of Leon County Information Systems Officer Thomas James.

    Here is a clue for you Wil: There is a LOT of evidence that the last two elections may have been hacked. The Election in 2004 benefited Republicans and GWB. The one in 2006 might not have succeeded properly since more people turned out than what were expected. Here is the kicker:

    The NEXT election may be hacked by Democrats. Would you poo-poo the claims of voting machine irregularities then?

    The point is, the cornerstone of our democracy is that we have honest voting and confidence in the voting procedures. The key word is confidence. The minute we lose confidence in our voting process, we become just like any banana republic.

    I don’t want to see our voting hacked by anyone. I want to be able to point to the results of any election and say “that was the will of the people”, not the result of possible jury-rigging.

    Our election process should remain transparent. No secret code, no privatization of the vote, just plain honest and simple election procedures.

    Every US citizen should be allowed to vote. No exceptions. No purging the voter rolls of “second-class citizens”. If you are alive, breathing, born or naturalized in the US, and capable of making your own vote, (no power of attorney) then you should be allowed to vote.

    We should go back to paper ballots, collected and counted in precincts as they once were.

  92. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    You realize, of course, that about 20% of the posts I make are for the specific purpose of pulling your chain, right?

    We do know that there were irregularities in Ohio in 2004, and there definitely were in Florida in 2000.

    We don’t KNOW any such thing. Lots of allegations were made by sore losers of intentional tampering. Or do you really think Ken Blackwell can conjure up 160 + K votes at the drop of a hat? If so, his talents are wasted in politics.

    And eight “documented” cases were not all the cases in King County. My guess is the Prosecutor couldn’t prove the case, not that nothing happened.

    The NEXT election may be hacked by Democrats. Would you poo-poo the claims of voting machine irregularities then?

    EVERY Election is hacked by Democrats. :em93:

    I don’t want to see our voting hacked by anyone. I want to be able to point to the results of any election and say “that was the will of the people”, not the result of possible jury-rigging.

    I do, as well. “Possible” still is not the same as “Probable.”

    Dave, I’m not saying that it is not POSSIBLE to hack the machines, or to cheat in other ways. I’m saying that proving it is possible is not the same as proving it was done, and so far, it hasn’t been proven that anyone actually has done so. Allegations, yes.

    Would I like a perfectly honest election? You damn betcha, Red Ryder! But for a sense of perspective, please consider, if you will: For generations, the “predicted” or “accepted” margin of error for elections (for a variety of reasons - from dishonest poll workers stuffing the ballot box down through simple ballot errors that make the will of the individual voter undecypherable) has ranged from 2 - 5 %.

    The era of Electronic voting machines has brought that down to less than 1 % (including the intentional monkey business). To me, that is an improvement. Can we do better? Sure - IIRC, about a year ago we discussed ways to do so, and between the two of us, hammered out a couple of ways to “fraud proof” the machines. (Btw, ya got that software ready yet?)

    Until we have a perfect world, all we can do is try. Honest errors are gonna happen. If we can filter out the malicious ones, I will be satisfied.

  93. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Well, well, well.

  94. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And eight “documented” cases were not all the cases in King County. My guess is the Prosecutor couldn’t prove the case, not that nothing happened.

    Well, they were the only ones brought before the court. I covered that hearing when I worked for a local conservative station here. I think I am pretty knowledgable as to what the facts are.

    And believe me, if Norm Maleng had even a shred of evidence to work with, he would have prosecuted. He was that kind of guy.

    Or do you really think Ken Blackwell can conjure up 160 + K votes at the drop of a hat?

    Yep. Or at least his machines could. Maybe you should read the reports on it. Flipping one or ten thousand votes is all the same thing.

    I’m saying that proving it is possible is not the same as proving it was done, and so far, it hasn’t been proven that anyone actually has done so. Allegations, yes.

    Allegations have been made, but the state has actively done everything they could to destroy the evidence. (that in itself is a fact, not an allegation)

    But possible versus probable? Given the fact that some of the machines showed Bush received more votes than what were in a precinct, or that in areas where there was traditionally a large Democratic base yet in the President’s race alone the margins in Bush’s favor were better than it was in Republican areas?

    Or the cases of where some machines recorded a straight democratic ticket except for the presidential race, where Kerry got next to nothing, even though the exit polls showed the exact opposite result?

    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    Then there was Bev Harris who dug through the trash and found different “certified machine results” than what were recorded.

    Just because it wasn’t investigated by a republican body, doesn’t mean that it didnt happen.

    Well, well, well.

    Yes, yes, yes.

    When asked if Gulliani was going to pay its full price, there were

    *crickets*

    Perhaps you should read what the Times Public Editor wrote. I think you will find that it wasn’t an intentional mistake — it was a mistake with an ad-exec.

  95. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Perhaps you should read what the Times Public Editor wrote. I think you will find that it wasn’t an intentional mistake — it was a mistake with an ad-exec.

    Yeah, they’re never intentional mistakes, are they, Dave? Never when Demoscum are involved. Those Rose Law Firm billing records - why, mercy me, how did those get there? All those documents stuffed down Sandy Burglar’s pants? Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy. The NY Slimes giving a discounted rate to a putrid pile of fellow ideologues? Just a simple “mistake with an ad-exec”.

    But when they involve Diebold machines…well, that’s a Republican consipiracy, isn’t it Dave? Your homies over at Black Box Bimbos say so.

    Pull the other one, Dave. Bullshit flag, 15 yards, loss of down.

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    The NY Slimes giving a discounted rate to a putrid pile of fellow ideologues? Just a simple “mistake with an ad-exec”.

    Yet they gave the same discount to Rudy Gulliano, and would have given the same one to Fred! if it wasn’t determined by the ad staff themselves that a mistake had been made.

    Like I said, you need to read the findings of the Times Public Editor.

    Did MoveOn.org get favored treatment from The Times? And was the ad outside the bounds of acceptable political discourse?

    The answer to the first question is that MoveOn.org paid what is known in the newspaper industry as a standby rate of $64,575 that it should not have received under Times policies. The group should have paid $142,083. The Times had maintained for a week that the standby rate was appropriate, but a company spokeswoman told me late Thursday afternoon that an advertising sales representative made a mistake.

    The answer to the second question is that the ad appears to fly in the face of an internal advertising acceptability manual that says, “We do not accept opinion advertisements that are attacks of a personal nature.” Steph Jespersen, the executive who approved the ad, said that, while it was “rough,” he regarded it as a comment on a public official’s management of his office and therefore acceptable speech for The Times to print.

    Yes, mainly because the ad asked a question, not a statement.

    It is no where near as bad as the ads against Max Clelland a few years ago that compared him to Osama bin Laden, or the ads that personally attacked John Kerry or even George Bush’s ads attacking John McCain and his “black baby”.

    You seem to pick and choose who you choose to be outraged with. If a Conservative or Conservative group makes the attacks, then it is all right. If a Liberal or Liberal group does the same thing, then you scream bloody murder.

    You have to remember that it was your side that created groups like MoveOn. If you don’t like the tactics, you have only your side to blame — because they learned it from you.

    The cherry on top of this whole incident is the following:

    Was Giuliani’s MoveOn Deal Unfair?

    But what about Giuliani’s ad?

    A new complaint filed with the Federal Elections Commission Monday alleges that Giuliani’s campaign must also pay the full amount or be in violation of taking what amounts to an illegal corporate contribution from the Times.

    “The difference, $77,083 is an in-kind corporate contribution, which far exceeds the limits allowed by law,” alleges the complaint, written by Lane Hudson, a blogger who recently filed a complaint with the FEC about the campaign of Fred Thompson. “If he does not [pay the full amount], that is not just a violation of the law but a betrayal of the public trust at a time when Americans want integrity from our leaders.”

    My biggest chuckle of the day?

    Richard Mellon Scaife and his divorce.

    Who is Richard Mellon Scaife? Without his billions, there never would have been the Arkansas Project, no Hillary killed Vincent Foster, no Bill was a drug runner, and all of the other bullshit you people swallowed like it was chocolate truffles.

    The fun thing about this divorce is that he can no longer hide his behind-the-scenes activities. Much of the documentation behind things like the Arkansas Project were kept by him. We will finally get to see how a lot of the rumors of the Clintons were nothing more than elaborate fabrications by Scaife.

    Hell has no fury than a woman scorned. From the sounds of it, she sounds pretty scorned.

    BTW: When is the Republican Party finally going to drop that “Family Values” thing? :em99:

  97. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Yet they gave the same discount to Rudy Gulliano

    Giuliani, Dave. The last name is Giuliani.

    And they offered the same discount to him after MorOn.org’s sweetheart deal was pointed out all over the media. The fact is that your homies at the Slimes got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and the best face they could put on it was “See, Mommy! I was getting one for Bubba, too!!!”

    and would have given the same one to Fred! if it wasn’t determined by the ad staff themselves that a mistake had been made.

    Bullshit. They wouldn’t have given one to anyone else had we not caught them at it.

    Like I said, you need to read the findings of the Times Public Editor.

    And like I said, bullshit flag, 15 yards, loss of down. Your “standby ad” crap was long ago debunked by the Emperor, not to mention the link I posted.

    It is no where near as bad as the ads against Max Clelland a few years ago that compared him to Osama bin Laden, or the ads that personally attacked John Kerry or even George Bush’s ads attacking John McCain and his “black baby”.

    Coming from someone who supports the half-assed excuse-for-a-party that is constantly accusing us of wanting to breathe dirty air, drink dirty water, throw Grandma down the stairs and had a presidential candidate who called us the “extra-chromosome Right”, I have one thing to say about that

    Boo. Hoo. Motherfucking. Hoo.

    You seem to pick and choose who you choose to be outraged with. If a Conservative or Conservative group makes the attacks, then it is all right.

    Yep.

    If a Liberal or Liberal group does the same thing, then you scream bloody murder.

    See above. When I see you spewing forth invective at MorOn.org, maybe I’ll give a fat rat’s ass. Until then…

    You have to remember that it was your side that created groups like MoveOn. If you don’t like the tactics, you have only your side to blame — because they learned it from you.

    Oh, that is such bullshit, Dave. We did no such thing, and you damned well know it.

    Another bullshit flag, 15 more yards, loss of another down.

    The fun thing about this divorce is that he can no longer hide his behind-the-scenes activities. Much of the documentation behind things like the Arkansas Project were kept by him. We will finally get to see how a lot of the rumors of the Clintons were nothing more than elaborate fabrications by Scaife.

    Yeah, I’d really buy the credibility of a bimbo that would incur an assault charge over a dog. Your sources are damnably impeccable, Dave.

    BTW: When is the Republican Party finally going to drop that “Family Values” thing?

    When you in the Demoscummic Party quit sucking up to faggots, pedophiles, baby-killers and drug-infested maggots.

    Any other dumbassed questions?

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    Giuliani, Dave. The last name is Giuliani.

    Sorry. Its the pain meds.

    And they offered the same discount to him after MorOn.org’s sweetheart deal was pointed out all over the media. The fact is that your homies at the Slimes got caught with their hands in the cookie jar, and the best face they could put on it was “See, Mommy! I was getting one for Bubba, too!!!”

    He did sound like a little kid who didn’t get his share of the candy, didn’t he? Waaaaah!

    The thing is, he GOT the discount, and now he might be in a little trouble for it?

    Bullshit. They wouldn’t have given one to anyone else had we not caught them at it.

    We? A little full of yourself aren’t you?

    From what I saw of the chronological events is that Rotten Rootie got his discount pretty damn quick — before anyone here opened up and started bellowing about it. It was already in the works before it was even posted here.

    And like I said, bullshit flag, 15 yards, loss of down. Your “standby ad” crap was long ago debunked by the Emperor, not to mention the link I posted.

    “debunked”? Is that what you are calling it? You don’t just state something from the deep recesses of your ass and call it a debunking.

    I know it is hard to get information loaded into your mind that you might find knocks All That Is Truth out of whack, but as I recall, the “evidence” of newspapers not having ’standby rates’ or ’standby ads’ came from someone who once worked for a cheese wrapper in Wisconson (and apparently he had never heard of such a thing)

    However, a simple Google search indicates that it is a fairly wide practice in the newspaper industry. Some have it on their rate cards, others are given by an account manager — most likely to customers who have done a lot of advertising with the paper before.

    I do this kind of thing for a living. Slightly different media, but it all pretty much works out the same way. A :30 spot I sell you may cost more than the same :30 spot I sell to someone else. Why? Because of the amount of business they have done so far or the number of spots they are buying.

    Even in the radio industry, we have standby ads and rates also. Like a newspaper, we have to fill up dead air space. We might have a network feed go down, or some other malfunction and if we can fill the empty space with ads, then we aren’t losing money.

    Coming from someone who supports the half-assed excuse-for-a-party that is constantly accusing us of wanting to breathe dirty air, drink dirty water, throw Grandma down the stairs and had a presidential candidate who called us the “extra-chromosome Right”, I have one thing to say about that

    Do you think you could stay on topic? You have been bellyaching about how terrible MoveOn was for even suggesting that Petraeus might betray us. How DARE someone talk bad about someone who serve(d) this country during a time of war!

    Right?

    But when I point out the numerous times the Right has done it, I get a bait and switch about some tired out old Oxycontin rant from 2000.

    See above. When I see you spewing forth invective at MorOn.org, maybe I’ll give a fat rat’s ass. Until then…

    I don’t feel the need to — just as I don’t feel the need to “spew invective” at anything I find written here.

    It might be a little rough sometimes, but it is only an opinion.

    To me, the MoveOn thing was silly, and unproductive. I don’t know what exactly it was designed to do — what the purpose of the ad was. It certainly was’t going to sway the General into saying something different than he was already going to say. It wasn’t going to get Bush to admit he has been wrong all of this time, and it wasn’t going to end the war.

    That said, they had every right to place whatever ad they wanted and to say whatever they had to say. You don’t have to like it, — hell you don’t have to like the fact that they got a discounted ad by accident.

    I doubt you even subscribe to the NYT, so why the hell should it bother you at all? Why does anything in that paper bother you?

    It’s like you driving past a gay bar every day. Although it looks like any other bar on the street you KNOW it is a gay bar. But if you don’t go into it, then it really shouldn’t bother you at all. You are allowed to simply drive by and not even think about it.

    Oh, that is such bullshit, Dave. We did no such thing, and you damned well know it.

    Uh, Spats? Were you asleep in the late 1990s when Clinton was going through his impeachment? What the hell do you think the name “MoveOn” meant? It meant that we should move on from the exercise of trying to bring down Bill Clinton for anything you could think of.

    Yeah, I’d really buy the credibility of a bimbo that would incur an assault charge over a dog. Your sources are damnably impeccable, Dave.

    What, the sources of the paper, who got them through court documents? Sheese!

    You think she is a ‘bimbo’ why? Because she is a woman who happened to be married to a billionaire fucknozzle who had been cheating on her? (those republican family values…)

    There is no prenup, and he is trying to protect his money. She is liable to get half and he is going to try to prevent her from getting it.

    You apparently don’t know much about this man. You’ve ranted on and on about George Soros on the left, well he doesn’t hold a candle to Richard Scaife on the Right — not even in the same league.

    If this woman doesn’t ‘disappear’, she is liable to open up an entire can of worms that many Republicans would rather stay buried.

    Stay tuned.

    When you in the Demoscummic Party quit sucking up to faggots, pedophiles, baby-killers and drug-infested maggots.

    Hey, we feel Larry Craig has a right to be not gay. OxyContin Rush is still drug-infested, and Foley still wanted to diddle young pages.

    Hey, but nice try.

  99. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    DJ’s limited world view is generally a colossal bore, but sometimes provides some good material.

    Yes, mainly because the ad asked a question, not a statement.

    Is that so? Dave, do you still molest children and beat your wife? Are you still a socialist nitwit who would betray us?

    You get the drift.

    Pathetic, delight over Scaife’s divorce.

    You apparently don’t know much about this man. You’ve ranted on and on about George Soros on the left, well he doesn’t hold a candle to Richard Scaife on the Right — not even in the same league.

    Right, Dave Scaife was never a Nazi collaborator.

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    DJ’s limited world view is generally a colossal bore, but sometimes provides some good material.

    Limited? Oy vey. Perhaps you have it backwards: you are bored because your mind is limited, not mine.

    Is that so? Dave, do you still molest children and beat your wife? Are you still a socialist nitwit who would betray us?

    You get the drift.

    Do you have a reading comprehension problem or do you just give bad analogies as a rule?

    The gist of the ad went like this:

    Will General Petraeus Betray us?

    There is the question. It didn’t say he did, it didn’t even say he will. It simply asked if he would betray us in the hearing scheduled for that day.

    Granted, the word Betray was a bad choice, other than a clever play on words. But I suspect that if MoveOn had asked whether Petraeus would Lie, the indignation from the Right would have been the same. I would have preferred the word “bamboozled” myself.

    Apparently, there was a bit of sleight-of-hand or “loose-with-facts” going on with the figures he gave.

    Apparent contradictions are relatively easy to find in the flood of bar charts and trend lines the military produces. Civilian casualty numbers in the Pentagon’s latest quarterly report on Iraq last week, for example, differ significantly from those presented by the top commander in Iraq, Gen. David H. Petraeus, in his recent congressional testimony. Petraeus’s chart was limited to numbers of dead, while the Pentagon combined the numbers of dead and wounded — a figure that should be greater. Yet Petraeus’s numbers were higher than the Pentagon’s for the months preceding this year’s increase of U.S. troops to Iraq, and lower since U.S. operations escalated this summer.

    The charts are difficult to compare: Petraeus used monthly figures on a line graph, while the Pentagon computed “Average Daily Casualties” on a bar chart, and neither included actual numbers. But the numerical differences are still stark, and the reasons offered can be hard to parse. The Pentagon, in a written clarification, said that “Gen. Petraeus reported civilian deaths based on incidents reported by Coalition forces plus Iraqi government data. The [Pentagon] report only includes incidents reported by Coalition forces for civilian causality data.”

    “There is a current effort to consolidate multiple databases in theater,” a Multi-National Force-Iraq headquarters spokesman said in an e-mail.

    Sure there is. I wouldn’t count on it, because having several different interpretations can allow for a whole lotta wiggle room if you are trying to sell something like a Surge.

    Unfortunately, the numbers don’t add up to what the good General is asserting.

    But here is the deal — if you are going to use a General as a Political Prop, then expect the opposition to treat him as such.

    Right, Dave Scaife was never a Nazi collaborator.

    Ah, but Prescott Bush was, and as an adult.

    This is such a discredited story that I am amazed you still regurgitate it. The kid was fourteen at the time. I doubt if you had been in his shoes that you would have done any different.