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Yeah, it’s an old article, but truth is never “outdated“.

Underlying all “gun control” ideology is this one belief.” “Private citizens don’t need firearms because the police will protect them from crime.” That belief is both false and dangerous for two reasons.

First, the police cannot and do not protect everyone from crime. Second, the government and the police in most localities owe no legal duty to protect individuals from criminal attack. When it comes to deterring crime and defending against criminals, individuals are ultimately responsible for themselves and their loved ones. Depending solely on police emergency response means relying on the telephone as the only defensive tool. Too often, citizens in trouble dial 911 . . . and die.

Read the entire article and bookmark it for future ClueClubbings™ during Drooling Ungulate™ hunting season.

F.E.T.E.

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  1. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    For the record: I could care less if you owned guns or not.

    But I do have a problem with the crime statistics listed in that article, as a reason why you need to carry.

    You shouldn’t NEED a reason to carry — either you want to or you don’t want to. I don’t carry, yet I have never been murdered or even had someone attempt to murder me, nor have I been raped, robbed, or mugged by someone with a weapon. And I have been in some pretty “wild areas” in my time.

    My roommate — a retired cop — carries two weapons on him, and one or two in his car. I suspect he has one whenever he goes into the hot tub with his girl friend.

    “You can never be too careful,” he says. “I would rather have a gun and not need it, than need it and not have it”

    Maybe. But I have trouble carrying my two cell phones,a bluetooth, a blackberry, and my laptop whenever I need to go somewhere. And these are things I use all the time. But carrying a gun around on top of all those things?

    Frank, my roommate, has never actually needed to pull his gun — except in the line of duty. After twenty-five years on the force, he is medically retired, and doesn’t have to enter buildings on a call, or respond to a crime in progress. Yet he feels ‘naked’ without his weapons.

    God knows I wouldn’t want any man to feel nekkid. So, if he feels comfortable carrying guns around, then who am I to deprive him of his comfort? Besides, HE HAS A GUN, AND YOU DON’T ARGUE WITH AN ARMED MAN! :em99:

    Seriously, I don’t care if he carries or not.

    But here is my issue with the statistics listed in that article.

    It assumes that ALL crimes are murders, or that the majority of criminals carry guns. This just isn’t the case, and even my gun-totin’ roommate can attest to that.

    • The majority of criminals do not carry weapons of any kind.
    • Murder, Rape, and Kidnapping make up less than 3% of all crimes.
    • Most assaults are simple assaults — usually fist fights. Most armed assaults use whatever is handy, such as a pool que, club, rock. Statistically, very few use firearms.
    • You have a better chance of being involved in a car accident today than you are of being a victim of a violent crime all year.

    Yes, I am sure you can point out all of the victims that didn’t have guns and say that they probably wouldn’t be victims if only they were armed — but you don’t know that. You can only assume that would be the case.

    But again — I am NOT telling you that you shouldn’t own guns or carry those you own. I am merely saying that you shouldn’t have to scare someone into feeling a need to carry based on some misleading crime statistics.

    I had an argument with my roommate’s girlfriend a couple of weeks ago dealing with her anger over the school bus not picking up her daughter right in front of the house. Instead, the bus picks up the kids 50 yards up the street but SHE wants the bus to stop in front of the house “because there are child molesters out there somewhere”.

    She has it in her mind that there are these roving bands of child molesters looking to steal away her child, and that the only way she can keep this from happening is if the school bus stops in our driveway instead of 150 feet up the street.

    I tell her that she has a better chance if being hit by lightning than having some child molester take her 12-year-old daughter from a bus stop 150 feet up the road and in sight of our house. Not to mention the fact that there are ten other kids that catch the bus there, and at least one mother standing there.

    But all she sees is this fear that some child molester is going to grab her child. So she drives her kid to school, and has been on a letter-writing campaign to everybody in the school district, state education, the legislature, and even Maria Cantwell.

    Why? Because of a fear.

    Maybe she should get the kid a gun?

  2. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I don’t carry, yet I have never been murdered or even had someone attempt to murder me, nor have I been raped, robbed, or mugged by someone with a weapon.

    Dave, you DO realize that that statement is one of the All-time Ass-Tronomically Asinine™ “arguments” for not carrying a gun (or just keeping one in the house), don’t you?

    That’s on par with the statement made by the angry old hippie I work with, when he was informed that it was a written-in-stone policy that any and all operators of chainsaws are required to wear chainsaw chaps. His response was: “That’s a STUPID policy! I’ve been using a chainsaw all my life and I’ve never cut myself!”

    I’m quite sure that most, if not ALL, of the innocent victims of murder hadn’t been murdered before they were murdered the first time. (And most statistics show that murder victims are only murder victims once. Correct me if I’m wrong.)

  3. Unregistered Pingback by Daily Pundit » Protection Racket

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    […] Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Blog Archive » Blowing Holes in GFW’s “Logic” Yeah, it’s an old article, but truth is never “outdated“. Underlying all “gun control” ideology is this one belief.” “Private citizens don’t need firearms because the police will protect them from crime.” That belief is both false and dangerous for two reasons. […]

  4. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    That’s on par with the statement made by the angry old hippie I work with, when he was informed that it was a written-in-stone policy that any and all operators of chainsaws are required to wear chainsaw chaps. His response was: “That’s a STUPID policy! I’ve been using a chainsaw all my life and I’ve never cut myself!”

    A hippie desecrating Mother Giai™? Blasphemy!

    Get a pic and send it to the Goracle! His fat head will disintegrate ala “Scanners”!

  5. Panzermann403 Comment by Panzermann403

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    Well, if I was allowed to carry in the UK or in Germany, I would. I mean they trained me on the taxpayer’s expense to protect my fatherland, which I proudly did. But now that I’m out of the service, I’m not allowed the means to protect myself, my loved ones or just some bystander from violent crime. And I’m living in bloody London, we have enough of that.

    DJ, I’m partly there with you. Nobody should be scared into believing he needs a weapon. This is a decision that everybody must make on his own.

    But on the other hand, the gun control measures that most western societies have burdened themselves with also spring from fear. The fear that allowing guns into the hands of everyone would somehow increase violent crime in a society.

    I believe that is a more irrational fear than being scared of crime because you are made defenseless by law.

    Before Germany led itself into the arms of the Nazis, German gunlaws were very easy. There were none. A rifle or a pistol was regarded as a tool like a hammer, a pick or an axe. Buy as many as you like, carry them were you want etc. There weren’t even any age restrictions.

    The behavior that people displayed with their guns was simply governed by the same laws of duress, physical injury, murder etc. as all other tools. I.e. you intimidate, harm or kill somebody, whatever you use, you get punished. End of story. And in Germany you don’t want to get on the wrong side of the law regarding anything to do with intended injury. Believe me. My dad is a lay assessor (a layman’s judge that every lower German court has in addition to the professional judges). He is a very nice and easygoing old man and often very forgiving for smaller infractions, but when somebody is to be judged who intentionally hurt another person, he gets really vengeful.

    What I would like to see our European societies do is get back to a simple and effective view on guns. It’s nothing special, it’s just a tool and can be used for good or bad. The user can be evil. The tool cannot.

    Another reason for all European states to have the laws on guns that we have is that an armed populace would constantly carry a collective political reset button. Which our political elites wouldn’t really like.

  6. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Dave, you DO realize that that statement is one of the All-time Ass-Tronomically Asinine™ “arguments” for not carrying a gun (or just keeping one in the house), don’t you?

    Dude, do you realize that I probably have more guns and ammunition in my basement than any ten people here combined? In addition to being an ex-cop, my roommate used to own a gun shop, and most of his inventory is downstairs locked in this huge vault complete with a dehumidifier and climate control system.

    As far as it being a valid argument — I am over fifty, I have lived in some of the toughest parts of the world, and several “war zones” right here in the US. There is no amount of guns that are going to protect me from violence, or even keep me 100 percent “safe”. I’m sorry, BC, it is a false security to think you are going to be somehow safer with a gun than without. I submit that it doesn’t matter either way.

    That’s on par with the statement made by the angry old hippie I work with, when he was informed that it was a written-in-stone policy that any and all operators of chainsaws are required to wear chainsaw chaps. His response was: “That’s a STUPID policy! I’ve been using a chainsaw all my life and I’ve never cut myself!”

    The chances of having an accident using a chainsaw is a lot more likely than being a victim of a serious crime if you don’t carry a gun. Most people go through their entire lives without having to kill someone, whereas most people using chainsaws for a living have had some fairly close accidents that were probably prevented by wearing chaps.

    I’m quite sure that most, if not ALL, of the innocent victims of murder hadn’t been murdered before they were murdered the first time. (And most statistics show that murder victims are only murder victims once. Correct me if I’m wrong.)

    Do you think that all of them could have been prevented if only they were carrying a gun?

    Remember, we are only talking about a small percentage of crime anyways. Something like less than one percent of the crime committed is a murder, and only 68 percent of that is a murder committed with a gun. (although I wonder about that particular statistic — I’ve heard it was about 25 percent of all murders were committed with a firearm, and that most murders were stabbings)

    Again, I go back to my main point here: If you are going to carry a gun, don’t use fear as a reason. I mean, it is strange that most of the population can go about its business without being murdered, raped, or pillaged.

  7. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    The thing is, Deej, where do you draw the line between “scaring” and “warning?” And that’s an honest question.

    I and my family lived in a neighborhood for years where gunshots were a weekly, if not daily occurrence. And no, I’m not exaggerating. It was to the point where I didn’t even flinch if I was outside having my morning Java and heard a gun go off. Yet I managed to not get murdered through the Grace of G-d (or dumb luck plus precautions if you don’t believe in G-d).

    So would it be considered “scare tactics” for me to suggest to a neighbor that it probably wouldn’t hurt to have a Mossberg in the house, just in case?

    Is it “scare tactics” for me to suggest to a fellow home owner that homeowner’s insurance is a good investment even though, to the best of my knowledge, no houses in my neighborhood have ever burned down?

    Am I “paranoid” for having homeowner’s insurance? (Not that I had a choice. Banks insist on me protecting their security, which is fair enough since they’ll be stuck with the bill if the hovel burns down and I can’t afford to rebuild it, but you get my point. Assuming that I’d paid the mortgage off, I could drop my insurance.)

    Back to guns: If I had a buck for every time I’ve heard or read the words “we never thought it could happen here” from some poor sap living on the same block as somebody who just got himself offed by a goblin, I’d be retiring and flying to Tahiti every year in my own Lear Jet.

    I’m not saying that you must have a gun, that decision is for everybody to make on their own, but I most definitely am saying that it’s a good idea. Nobody ever thinks they’re going to be the next victim until it’s too late.

    As to myself? I’m never unarmed, unless I’m in a facility where being armed is illegal, and I tend to avoid those like the plague. Yes, I know that I’m extremely unlikely to be the next statistic, just as I know that it’s extremely unlikely that my house burns down tomorrow but, as your roomie says: “It’s better to have one and not need it than to need it and don’t have one.” As a matter of fact, nobody would be happier than I if I were to reach the end of my life realizing that my personal weapons turned out to be nothing but expensive paperweights.

    I don’t want to have to shoot anybody, but I certainly don’t want to die from a lack of ability to shoot back.

    Not to mention that the decision isn’t all about me anyway. I have a family too that I am sworn and beholden to protect by any means necessary. I don’t have the right to leave my family defenseless simply because I don’t like guns.

    Refusing to be adequately prepared as an individual is permissible, even though I’d personally argue that it was stupid, but to do so as the head of a household is dereliction of duty.

  8. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    I bet THIS little girl would vote for having guns around. Anyone from the Nevada area…lock and load. I don’t normally encourage vigilante justice, but I’d make an exception in THIS case…

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298500,00.html

  9. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Hey Deej, you just stated several times that not all murders or assaults are committed with firearms.

    Exactly what bearing does that have? If I’m murdered with a baseball bat, am I any less dead? Should I only carry the weapon that I anticipate I will be attacked with? You know, to make it fair. Sorry, but if you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

    “I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy”.

  10. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crunchie and Misha
    You guys are trained professionals who know how to use a gun.

    It is not in my interest to have a gun, as much as they intrigue me. I would be much more likely to be one of the people who would have the gun wrested away and used on them. I have really bad tremors. We live in a really safe area. We have an early warning system with the territorial dog with the deep bark. I did buy the Ka-Bar knife–awesome! and will probably buy the machete. (but more to collect than to expect to use)

    And, once again, I don’t care that my neighbors have guns. Actually, one neighbor’s comment was to the effect of what’s with the gun obsession–you don’t need one.

  11. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Well, Misha pretty much swept up the little pieces of Dave’s shattered argument, but I’ll break out the micro-vacuum cleaner and pick up the remaining crumbs…

    Dude, do you realize that I probably have more guns and ammunition in my basement than any ten people here combined?

    So you’re admitting that you live in a “household armed-by-proxy”. It’s pretty easy for you poo-poo those of us who have had to shell out the cash to purchase “homeowner’s insurance” as being “unreasonably scared”, when you’ve got your own little live-in security guard. It seems quite a few Libruls have that same attitude these days.

    As far as it being a valid argument — I am over fifty, I have lived in some of the toughest parts of the world, and several “war zones” right here in the US.

    Yeah, so have I. I wasn’t allowed to carry a weapon in Athens, Greece (NO ONE is, except for criminals) and I happen to have a nice little 9.5-inch radical lateral lobotomy scar running from the crown of my head, down the left side, just above my ear, ending just before my eye, thanks to not being allowed to carry a gun. It just so happens that couple of nice, peaceful illegal alien Libyan Muslims decided that it’d be a fun night to go out and try to murder any American service members they could find. Now, out of all of the places I could have been that night, I just happened to be at the place that these two “misunderstood individuals” decided to start slicing and dicing American service members. The first guy got stabbed about 1/4-inch from his carotid artery and myself and my buddy, coming to the aid of someone we didn’t even know, got even worse injuries. If I’d have had a gun, instead of being unarmed, I would have saved myself and my buddy life-threatening injuries (the Greek neurosurgeon, trained at the Mayo Clinic in Minneapolis, said I lost between 4 & 6 units of blood before they got the bleeding stopped) and the goblins would have been shipped back to Libya in pine boxes, instead of first-class seats on an airplane.

    There is no amount of guns that are going to protect me from violence, or even keep me 100 percent “safe”.

    NOTHING is “100% safe”. That’s a strawman that’s on fire before he even got out of the cornfield. I’d rather be “95% safe” than “0% safe”. Hell, I’d even take “10% safe” over “Guaranteed Dead”.

    I’m sorry, BC, it is a false security to think you are going to be somehow safer with a gun than without. I submit that it doesn’t matter either way.

    And I submit my personal experience, as cited above, that that’s a steaming barnful of horse shit. (Not to be mean or disparaging, Dave. That’s just what it is. No offense intended.)

    The chances of having an accident using a chainsaw is a lot more likely than being a victim of a serious crime if you don’t carry a gun.

    As your live-in Rottweiler so presciently put it “It’s better to have it and not need it, than not have it and need it.” That’s why it’s still a good thing to have a survival kit in one’s car, even though lot more people are victims of violent crimes each year than are stranded in snow banks in the mountains.

    Most people go through their entire lives without having to kill someone, whereas most people using chainsaws for a living have had some fairly close accidents that were probably prevented by wearing chaps.

    There goes another flaming strawman looking for a barrel of rainwater to shove his ass into. No one is saying that you have to “kill someone” with your gun. The mere act of HAVING a gun is, most likely, going to deter most violent crimes in the first place. If goblins knew that there was a 90% chance that the house they’re breaking into, or the owner of the car they’re about to jack, was packing, they’d, most likely, be a whole lot less likely to risk their lives to commit their crimes.

    Do you think that all of them could have been prevented if only they were carrying a gun?

    Jeezus Crisco! You’re going to cause a strawman shortage, Dave! What will your fellow Libs do with you using up all of the straw in one thread? Think of the free-range cattle that could be fed with all of that straw!

    No one has EVER said “All murders could be prevented by having everyone armed!”. It’s just a simple matter of statistical probabilities. Aren’t your fellow Marxist Mental Midgets™ the ones screaming about “One death is too many!”, when it comes to some perceived environmental threat from an Eeeevil KKKapitalist KKKorporation™? Wouldn’t, for instance, a meager 25% reduction in murder deaths be worth it?

    Remember, we are only talking about a small percentage of crime anyways. Something like less than one percent of the crime committed is a murder, and only 68 percent of that is a murder committed with a gun.

    We’re not just talking about “murder”. We’re also talking violent assault, rape, car jackings, robberies, home invasions, etc. Having an armed, law-abiding populace would drastically cut down on those “other crimes”.

    (although I wonder about that particular statistic — I’ve heard it was about 25 percent of all murders were committed with a firearm, and that most murders were stabbings)

    So would you PLEASE inform your fellow Leftists of this and have them IMMEDIATELY start drafting legislation to outlaw pointy objects and leave our fucking guns alone!?!?
    :em99:

    Again, I go back to my main point here: If you are going to carry a gun, don’t use fear as a reason.

    Someone call Kansas and tell them to plant an extra crop of hay and stock up on extra ammo because the crows are going to be like a plague this year with all of the strawmen stolen from the fields!

    Why do people wear seatbelts? Why do they wear safety glasses? Why do people in the Tampa Bay area have to have hurricane insurance, when a strong hurricane hasn’t hit this part of the state in almost half a century? My family has a MUCH higher chance of having a violent crime committed against them than being wiped out by a hurricane. Does that mean we shouldn’t be prepared in the event that Mother Gaia (or Dick Cheney) decides to finally get around to sending a CAT 4 up the shipping channel in Tampa Bay?

    Here’s a quote from a very intelligent man: “Prudently preparing for a worst-case scenario should NOT be equated with mindless fear”.

    Anyhow, the USF-WVU game just started. I’ll be back later.

    On a side note, Dave, I hope you’re feeling better.

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    Skyechilde

    They found her.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298565,00.html

  13. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    BC
    terribly sorry about your attack

    So, you knowledgable people. I should probably ask my local police, but I would feel weird. Would carrying around a military knife count as a concealed weapon? I wear Dr. Marten boots, so I could probably just put it in my boot. (I’ll get a death glower from spouse for having bought this knife.)

  14. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    Some criminologists (Kleck for one) estimate somewhere between 800 thousand and 2.5 million Defensive Gun Uses (DGU) every year by armed citizens. That brings down the crime rate considerably when there were over 1.4 million Violent Felony Offenses reported to the police last year.

    Don’t say that firearms in the hands of honest, law biding citizens doesn’t make a difference DJ, you’re just plain wrong. Without them, we’d probably be looking at a VFO rate twice what it is today.

    A DGU can range from an OK Corrall incident to just letting the perp-to-be catch a glimpse of the grips. ANd just because a perp isn’t armed with a gun doesn’t mean that he will leave you alone. The idea is for you to be armed (legally) and the perp to be unarmed (as it should be).

    I have had people with ill intent follow me. Pulling my jacket away from my hip and letting four pairs of eyes gaze at my magnum then watching them immediately split off in all different directions is a very satisfying feeling. I avoided a great deal of paperwork and they looked for an easier target.

    (Sorry ’bout that PC - I went back and corrected that and then saw your question.)

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    sig
    What’s a VFO? violent firearm something?

  16. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    PC,

    Last time I bothered to check (some years ago, admittedly), carrying a boot knife in the People’s Republik was a felony, while a concealed firearm was a misdemeanor.

    … another reason I categorically refuse to so much as consider extending my practice, buying property or spending any discretionary income over there.

  17. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC
    VFO = Violent Felony Offense.

    And yes, if you are referencing the Ka-Bar (Nice choice BTW :em93: ) Yes it counts as a concealed weapon. Usually a knife has to be less than 3″ blade length to be legal, individual states may vary.

  18. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Moriarty and crunchie
    Thanks–guess I’ll be leaving it at home. A knife is worse than a gun? That’s really weird. FELONY! I guess I should check currently.

  19. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    The few times I was attacked I was unarmed. I was in the Navy, two ten of solid muscle way back then. Fortunately in the first case, jumped by three men, I managed to flatten the first one coming at me, knocking him out, the other two I outran. There remained little doubt as to their intentions, I first saw them behind me, a knife coming out, by glancing in the glass in storefronts to see reflections. Or the rear view mirrors on parked cars. An old habit I still have, based on past experience. My hearing quite acute, listening for footfalls, etc. Another time I was shot at several times. Nothing personal, he just wanted to kill me. I would have done an antelope proud , ran like a fucking rabbit. A knife held at my throat by two thugs is no fun either. Or getting your ass kicked on general principles simply because someone was bored…
    Now I own four guns….and perhaps due to the draconian laws here in Kalifornia I can’t carry much of the time….God help the bastard breaking down my front door……

  20. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Psychochick…..one of the greatest advantages a gun provides is one of range. Unless you are an accomplished knife fighter/thrower it means you have to get close enough for an assailant to get his hands on you, perhaps changing the odds. I am neither. People that live by the sword get shot by those who don’t. As I have told my daughter, escape is your best option, followed by a decision to stand and fight…and do it All American gutter if it proves necessary.

  21. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    There is no amount of guns that are going to protect me from violence, or even keep me 100 percent “safe”.

    :em98:

    There’s some other stuff you’ll need before any weapon can save your butt.
    Most of it is filed under character.

    Without it, whimpering will have to do.

  22. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I’ll take fifty per cent safe. Or not having my last thought being I failed to defend my wife from attack. Or tyhe time two guys beat my ass for no reason whatsover. That sort of thing I never want to face, I’d rather have the gun.

  23. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Psychochick
    Many of the most respected Southern Ladies were seldom far from their knitting needles,,

    Also,, a buddy’s sister collected some teeth from a goblin that didn’ think that steering wheel bar was “all that”.

    Nature favors the versatile.

  24. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    There’s some other stuff you’ll need before any weapon can save your butt.
    Most of it is filed under character.

    And some of it is filed under Cooper.

    (PC and others - Anyone who would carry a weapon for defense should acquaint themselves with this fine, timeless work.)

  25. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    The thing is, Deej, where do you draw the line between “scaring” and “warning?” And that’s an honest question.

    Do you ever ask dis-honest questions?

    It is one thing to warn of the possible dangers in this world, but it starts crossing the line to scaring when you make it sound like the threat is imminent, and that if you don’t have a gun to protect yourself, you are going to die.

    Things aren’t quite as dire as it is made out. There aren’t roving bands of criminals scouring the neighborhoods looking for victims. Have you had a neighbor killed in the past week or so?

    Is it “scare tactics” for me to suggest to a fellow home owner that homeowner’s insurance is a good investment even though, to the best of my knowledge, no houses in my neighborhood have ever burned down?

    Would you consider NOT buying insurance if the bank didn’t require it? Would you change the minimum levels if there wasn’t a bank requiring those minimums?

    Just went through a hell and brimstone here recently to get re-insured because I had two wood stoves. I had to replace them with pellet stoves just to get re-insured.

    Apparently, the insurance company feels there is a difference…

    Back to guns: If I had a buck for every time I’ve heard or read the words “we never thought it could happen here” from some poor sap living on the same block as somebody who just got himself offed by a goblin, I’d be retiring and flying to Tahiti every year in my own Lear Jet.

    My, what kind of a neighborhood do you live in? Maybe you should come up here and live. We got guns — we even have places to shoot em. We just have a shortage of the number of goblins that apparently are rampant around your area. Of course I am in a semi-rural area in the county, and it is different than the ‘big city’ mess.

    I understand what you are saying, Misha, and that might be fine for a lot of people. As I said, I have guns here in the house, and I could probably fend off a platoon of goblins with little energy (if the four dogs and my killer cat don’t eat them first).

    But I can’t let myself worry that every time I leave the house I may have to shoot someone. I might as well stay home.

    The point is, I have spent my entire life — much of it in some VERY bad places that most people have almost no concept of — not worrying whether someone is going to rob, murder or assault me. I may have had a few close calls, but given the fact that I am here to talk about it now means that I made it through alright.

    I’m not saying that you must have a gun, that decision is for everybody to make on their own, but I most definitely am saying that it’s a good idea. Nobody ever thinks they’re going to be the next victim until it’s too late.

    There are many cases where guns give a person a false sense of security. They tend to have a little more bravado than they should. They take more chances than they should. YOU might be a lot more mature and low-keyed about your possession of a firearm, but I know others who feel that when they are armed, they are invincible. So they venture into areas or situations that they really shouldn’t venture. I had a friend (with the emphasis on ‘had’) who had that mindset. He was SuperPistolMan or something. He felt he could take chances, say or do stupid things to people.

    He’s dead now. He got stabbed by someone who didn’t like something he said. He didn’t even have time to pull the damn thing out of his holster. That was about thirty years ago, and I still think about how fucking stupid he was…

    I don’t want to have to shoot anybody, but I certainly don’t want to die from a lack of ability to shoot back.

    Getting back to my original point, when was the last time you felt that you might need to have to shoot someone?

    It’s weird, but I carried this same bottle of water in the trunk of the last seven cars I’ve owned. Why? Because I don’t ever want to be stranded somewhere without having some water. Sixteen years, the same bottle of water. It doesn’t even have the original label on it, and I suspect the water probably tastes real bad by now. I keep telling myself to go out and at least replace the damn thing with something fresh and new, but then I forget until it is time to buy a new car and I wind up transfering the stuff from the old trunk to the new one.

    Don’t get me wrong Misha. I am glad you feel comfortable and properly in control by being armed at all times. If it works for you, then c’est la vie.

    But for me, I have gotten along well enough for a long time without the need to be armed.

  26. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    but I know others who feel that when they are armed, they are invincible. So they venture into areas or situations that they really shouldn’t venture.

    Well I for one don’t feel invincible when I go out armed. I feel better in my chances of fighting back if the situation arises, but I know damn well that my gun will not stop someone trying to attack me…unless I carry it in my hand that is. I don’t go anywhere now that I didn’t go before I got my permit or my gun. I may be armed, but I didn’t exchange my brains for bullets. Those that you use as examples were most likely the kind of people that obviously had that attitude in some form even before they got a gun. I have yet to meet anyone that chooses to carry feel that they are invincible. Better prepared, yes. Invincible..no.

    But I can’t let myself worry that every time I leave the house I may have to shoot someone.

    That’s the one statement that grated on my nerves there Deej. I don’t worry about shooting someone when I leave the house. I don’t worry about being armed at all. I know the responsibility I accepted when I got this gun. I know the consequences if I ever have to pull the trigger. I know that I have to be alert and pay attention even more now than I used to be….but someone wringing their hands and worrying about shooting someone every time they leave the house is pretty melodramatic. People like that most likely expend precious energy and suffer from ulcers worrying about everything from Global Worming to the amount of Trans Fat in their diets.

  27. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Guido Carbone,

    Thanks! I had already read that, but thanks for posting it anyway. For some reason, this one really haunted me…I think it was her eyes…

    When they catch the perverted perp, I pray they put him into the general pop.

    =============================================

    Usually a knife has to be less than 3″ blade length to be legal, individual states may vary.

    Unless you’re on an airplane. Then, the file on a nail clippers is considered lethal. Of course, ink pens, keys, sharp pencils are all okay….geeze…

  28. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I missed BC’s fine response….

    So you’re admitting that you live in a “household armed-by-proxy”. It’s pretty easy for you poo-poo those of us who have had to shell out the cash to purchase “homeowner’s insurance” as being “unreasonably scared”, when you’ve got your own little live-in security guard. It seems quite a few Libruls have that same attitude these days.

    I don’t recall “poo-pooing” anything.

    As far as my ’security guard’, I rent a wing of the house to this guy, as well as the basement. He has only been here for four months, so apparently I got along pretty good without him all these years.

    I happen to have a nice little 9.5-inch radical lateral lobotomy scar running from the crown of my head, down the left side, just above my ear, ending just before my eye, thanks to not being allowed to carry a gun.

    I spent some time in Athens myself as a young pup, but never had a situation like you had. Maybe because I wasn’t an American serviceman in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    NOTHING is “100% safe”. That’s a strawman that’s on fire before he even got out of the cornfield. I’d rather be “95% safe” than “0% safe”. Hell, I’d even take “10% safe” over “Guaranteed Dead”.

    BC, how many times has the average person been in a situation where there was a 100 percent chance of being ‘guaranteed dead’?

    And I submit my personal experience, as cited above, that that’s a steaming barnful of horse shit. (Not to be mean or disparaging, Dave. That’s just what it is. No offense intended.)

    Maybe for you — up to this point in your life. But here I am, with no carry weapon, and here you are WITH a carry weapon and we are still sitting here talking to each other.

    I go back to the original again: how many times do you think that carrying a gun has actually saved your life? Do you think it is possible you could have gotten out of that situation without the gun?

    (obviously I am not talking about service-related incidents, I am talking about being BC-the-civilian doing his daily routine)

    As your live-in Rottweiler so presciently put it “It’s better to have it and not need it, than not have it and need it.” That’s why it’s still a good thing to have a survival kit in one’s car, even though lot more people are victims of violent crimes each year than are stranded in snow banks in the mountains.

    Egads, you heard about my bottled water! :em99:

    If I am going into the mountains, I do pack for it. I tend to plan for the contingencies when traveling. But again, one of those contingencies is not worrying about if or when I am going to be attacked by someone.

    Jeezus Crisco! You’re going to cause a strawman shortage, Dave! What will your fellow Libs do with you using up all of the straw in one thread? Think of the free-range cattle that could be fed with all of that straw!

    You’re right, with all of the global warming, I am probably effecting something somewhere, aren’t I?

    A fucking ripple effect, caused by my use of straw!

    I can burn it in my new pellet stove.

    Aren’t your fellow Marxist Mental Midgets™ the ones screaming about “One death is too many!”, when it comes to some perceived environmental threat from an Eeeevil KKKapitalist KKKorporation™? Wouldn’t, for instance, a meager 25% reduction in murder deaths be worth it?

    I have fellow Marxist Mental Midgets™? Geeze, I hope they are better than the Mexican that I hired to clean up the yard while I was away in the hospital. When I got home this morning, I noticed I had psilocybin mushrooms growing and nobody bothered to mow the lawn. But their truck has been out back all day….

    hmmm.

    So would you PLEASE inform your fellow Leftists of this and have them IMMEDIATELY start drafting legislation to outlaw pointy objects and leave our fucking guns alone!?!?

    Gladly. Although most of us on the left are like me: we could care less about your guns — as long as you are NOT sending bullets in our direction. In fact, a lot of us on the left actually OWN guns. It is only the tiny few who feel that if there were no guns in the world, it would somehow be a place like the Big Rock Candy Mountain or something like that.

    I usually pay them no mind.

    Okay here are some silly questions:

    Why do people wear seatbelts?

    Because I will get another $103 ticket when I get pulled over again?

    Why do they wear safety glasses?

    Because the safety officer gets pretty anal if you don’t wear them? (I wear glasses to see, not to be safe, so nobody would even question me about whether I am wearing them or not)

    SideBAR: How is it that almost every safety officer I know is named, “Bob”? (I swear they are all clones too)

    Why do people in the Tampa Bay area have to have hurricane insurance, when a strong hurricane hasn’t hit this part of the state in almost half a century?

    Because the banks are in bed with the insurance companies and they found a way to snatch more money from you?

    You got me there. At least they aren’t asking you to pay for volcano insurance. :em99:

    Of course, how often has Florida been hit by a hurricane versus a volcano?

    My family has a MUCH higher chance of having a violent crime committed against them than being wiped out by a hurricane.

    See? If you had said ‘volcano’, I would have conceded. But a hurricane? Never say never in Florida.

    On a side note, Dave, I hope you’re feeling better.

    I am. Can’t you tell? I am being pretty damn silly here.

    Seriously though: I can’t emphasis enough that I could care less of whether any of you feel the need to own or carry firearms or not. It is your personal decision and not mine.

    Me, I choose not to, only because I have never personally felt the need — and that is MY decision. I have fun with my roommate all the time and tell him that I am going to evict him for all of his guns. He just tells me he is going to shoot me first.

    Dammit. Maybe I should get a gun…. :em96:

  29. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    There aren’t roving bands of criminals scouring the neighborhoods looking for victims. Have you had a neighbor killed in the past week or so?

    Not in my immediate neighborhood, but I live close to Omaha, where they had 31 shootings in July of this year alone…one for each day of the month. Perhaps if the store owners and innocents who got assaulted had been armed, there would have been a few less…

  30. Unregistered Comment by LC EFA

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    Whenever you bring “need” into the gun ownership debate is when the domminos start to fall.

    It sets up the groundwork for total prohibition of private firearm ownership.

    I am a law abiding citizen , I want it and can afford it , then I should be free to possess it. End of story.

  31. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Whenever you bring “need” into the gun ownership debate is when the domminos start to fall.

    It sets up the groundwork for total prohibition of private firearm ownership.

    Well, if it were a ‘need’ how could you prohibit it?

    Food, clothing, shelter — those are ‘needs’.

    You could argue that security is a ‘need’ also.

    Okay, it is time to self medicate and get to bed. My roommate’s girl friend is going to be my ‘nurse’ tonight, but she is much bitchier than the hospital nurse. She is insisting that I get to bed NOW.

    But for those of you who asked: I am doing much better now. I am healing up pretty good, and I am not in too much pain, thanks to the wonderful world of chemistry.

  32. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    Don’t want to beat this into the ground, but according to the 2006 Uniform Crime Report, of the 1,417,000 VFO’s reported to the police, 1,118,554 VFO’s had the type of weapon used to commit the crime also recorded.

    In 327,771 violent felony offenses reported to the police last year, some kind of firearm was used against the victim (29.3% of all VFO where the weapon type is known). “Hands, Fists, Feet and Personal Weapons” came in at 29.6%. The “Other Weapons” category was third at 25.8% and “Knives and Other Cutting Instruments” (my personal favorite crime scene category) came in fourth at 15.3%. Knife work is usually more creative. I have seen some amazing freehand work with a Ginsu.

    No, I have not seen the likeness of Richard Milhouse Nixon carved into anyone.

    Be aware that total numbers rarely add up across the UCR tables due to reporting discrepencies by individual law enforcement agencies. There are over 12,500 LEA’s reporting in last year’s UCR. Rapes were not included in the VFO weapon types above as this information is not recorded in UCR data.

  33. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Folks

    When I hear phrases like “never felt the need for a gun”, or, “I’m not worried about crime”, these tend to become known as “last words”… I live in a city which has had but a few and far in between incidents involving firearms, yet it does not mean it will never become a “free-fire zone” either. If a citizen is not permitted to carry the mean to defend him/herself but must rely on “police protection” rest assured the only protection they’re going to get is a sheet placed over their body with chalk-artwork around the outlines…

  34. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Well, if it were a ‘need’ how could you prohibit it?

    Umm, we’re not the one’s pushin’ the notion.

  35. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #25 by DJ Allyn, still high on what he pretends are Rx drugs…

    There aren’t roving bands of criminals scouring the neighborhoods looking for victims.

    Uh DJ, *TWO* people in this very thread have already reported being victims of random violence - and that’s just in this little thread. It’s rather callous of you to dismiss that out of hand just because *YOU* haven’t been the target yet.

    Have you had a neighbor killed in the past week or so?

    Do tell us DJ, just how often does someone I know have to be killed before you’ll permit me to be worried about it? A good friend of mine was burned alive by jihadis; please let me know the statute of limitations until you’ll no longer permit me to think they’re dangerous…

    Apparently, the insurance company feels there is a difference…

    Maybe because their knowledge base extends beyond your narrow experience and selfish perspective? Naaah, couldn’t be…

    We got guns — we even have places to shoot em. We just have a shortage of the number of goblins that apparently are rampant around your area.

    Isn’t that *EXACTLY* the correlation we’ve been trying to beat through your stupid, ignorant skull? When the populace is armed, there is less crime. FUCKING *DUH*!!!!!!

    But I can’t let myself worry that every time I leave the house I may have to shoot someone.

    Nobody has suggested anything even remotely like that. Stop it with the strawmen already, some people here are allergic.

    I may have had a few close calls, but given the fact that I am here to talk about it now means that I made it through alright.

    So what? I’ll bet nobody who went over that bridge in Minnesota ever did that before; up until that instant, they all ‘made it through alright.’

    Getting back to my original point, when was the last time you felt that you might need to have to shoot someone?

    That’s irrelevant and you know it. With luck you’ll *NEVER* have to use the thing; but if such an event should occur you’re not going to have the chance to say, “Well gee it looks like I need defense after all.”

    But for me, I have gotten along well enough for a long time without the need to be armed.

    So did Nicole Simpson - for a time…

    More crap from DJ…

    I spent some time in Athens myself as a young pup, but never had a situation like you had. Maybe because I wasn’t an American serviceman in the wrong place at the wrong time?

    That sounds disturbingly like blaming the victim, DJ. Tell me, exactly how much of THEIR OWN COUNTRY do you think our service members have no business being in? If it’s a public place, it is never the target who is in ‘the wrong place.’

    BC, how many times has the average person been in a situation where there was a 100 percent chance of being ‘guaranteed dead’?

    How many times does it take, moron?

    Maybe for you — up to this point in your life. But here I am, with no carry weapon, and here you are WITH a carry weapon and we are still sitting here talking to each other.

    You are aware that the plural of anecdote is not data, I hope? Actually, given your demonstrated capacity for rational thought, probably not. You have the EXACT SAME attitude as a buddy of mine who thought driving under the influence was fine because he’d ‘always’ gotten home safely. In fact, drunk drivers do make it home safely over 99% of the time, so by your ‘logic’ we should permit the practice.

    (Luckily he got out of the habit before anything untoward happened.)

    I go back to the original again: how many times do you think that carrying a gun has actually saved your life?

    Again, how many times does it take to be a worthwhile investment?

    Do you think it is possible you could have gotten out of that situation without the gun?

    Sure, if you had several years to go over it in perfect hindsight. Being the fuckhead lawyer type you are, though, it never occurs to you to admit that AT THE TIME there may not be the luxury of that kind of analysis. And AT THE TIME is when it matters.

    You’re right, with all of the global warming, I am probably effecting something somewhere, aren’t I?

    That’s *affecting* DJ. How can you be so dense when you’ve been corrected before? Aren’t you the oh-so-smart Librul English major?

    It is only the tiny few who feel that if there were no guns in the world, it would somehow be a place like the Big Rock Candy Mountain or something like that.

    No, there are a *large* number who think that if they can only get the guns out of the hands of citizens while retaining them for the government, their power will be secure forever.

    >> My family has a MUCH higher chance of having a
    >> violent crime committed against them than being
    >> wiped out by a hurricane.

    See? If you had said ‘volcano’, I would have conceded. But a hurricane? Never say never in Florida.

    He *DIDN’T* say ‘never’ you disingenuous fuckbag; he said his family is more at risk from violent crime than hurricanes; and even in Florida, the statistics back that up - by about 20 to 1.

    Lay off the drugs, dude. You were loopy enough to begin with.