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So somebody decides to bitch slap MorOn.org for their disgusting “Betrayus” ad by mocking them mercilessly, and guess what?

MorOn.org, that bastion of Free Speech, sends a cease & desist letter to CafePress, insisting that they remove the offending items and hand over personal contact info for the merchant.

Gee, that sounds like something Tits on a Chair™ would do.

So tell us again, weren’t MorOn.org huffing and puffing about their “First Amendment Rights” when defending their vile slander ad from the slings and arrows of outrage and disdain, claiming that they were being persecuted and having their rights threatened because people got mad at them and criticized them in public?

Obviously, to liberals, Free Speech Rights only apply when they happen to agree with the speech being expressed.

But we already knew that, didn’t we?

And no, MorOn.org, your precious copyright isn’t being “infringed” by somebody making fun of you. Tell your dumbass shyster lawyers to go back to school, will you? If the vendor were selling stuff as your stuff, now THAT would be copyright infringement.

But you’d have to be as dumb as a liberal to think that this:

…is in any shape, form or fashion “official MoveOn.org merchandise.”

For one thing, it happens to make sense, you flaming hypocrites.

But hey, if that’s the game you want to play, let’s have some more:

20 Responses to “Free Speech For Me, But Not For Thee”
  1. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Ya know fer sure ya hit that dawg reeeealy good when they howl like that!

  2. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Great logos, those are keepers
    mind if I take a shot at it??

    taserboy

  3. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    What!?! You mean that FREE SPEECH was meant for EVERYONE!?! You mean, you mean, someone might actually say something the MoveON. Fucks don’t agree with and be protected by this Free Speech thing!?! Surely you jest, oh Emperor! Where is your country going!? No, no, no, can’t have any of that. Let’s see what Move.On Heads in their Arses lawyers come up with on that one. Surely, your Justice system would not entertain anything of the sort, I mean, wow… Pleaaaaaaaaaaaase keep us posted.
    Free speech for everyone, who would have thought..? :em41:

  4. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Sue THIS, Bitches!

    And the unitalicized version:

    And Sue This, Too, You Whores!

  5. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    MorOn.org, that bastion of Free Speech, sends a cease & desist letter to CafePress, insisting that they remove the offending items and hand over personal contact info for the merchant.

    Gee, that sounds like something Tits on a Chair™ would do.

    I think the issue is that MoveOn.org is a registered trademark.

    Of course, it IS a parody, and that is allowable, thanks to the Fox and Franken suit a few years back.

  6. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    I LOVE free speech-it’s my favorite amendment, although some of you prefer the second one. But I just hope they realise who makes it possible,and it ain’t moveon.org. THANKS vets and current soldiers for my first amendment :em69:

  7. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #5 by DJ Allyn, pro bono defense attorney for all that is evil:

    I think the issue is that MoveOn.org is a registered trademark.

    No, the issue is that MoveOn.org is using its wealth and power attempting to stifle opposition viewpoints; like most of your favorite liberals, their goal is domination and power, *NOT* freedom. If some conservative outfit tried this you would be howling with indignant rage and you know it.

  8. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    If some conservative outfit tried this you would be howling with indignant rage and you know it.

    Actually, he was howling with indignant rage a few days ago, suggesting that the Senate criticizing MorOn.org was somehow a threat to free speech. ;)

    I think the issue is that MoveOn.org is a registered trademark.

    Of course, it IS a parody, and that is allowable, thanks to the Fox and Franken suit a few years back.

    Actually, that suit just built a bit more precedent. It’s always been like that. Coca-Cola is a trademark too, but there is nothing in the law keeping me from saying “Coca-Cola Sucks Syphilitic Donkey Teats.”

    Copyright laws are there to protect businesses with trademarks from bastards trying to sell stuff with their trademark on it, passing it off as the real thing. They’re NOT there to make it illegal to make fun of businesses.

    Which MorOn.org ought to know and, I’m sure, they do know. They just found it awfully convenient to “forget” it for the time being in order to try to bully a critic into shutting up.

    Yep, they’re some bastions for free speech, the flaming, lying, two-faced hypocrites.

  9. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I am so enjoying their angst. How dare we? My estranged sister in law is a member. We no longer speak. She insulted my dad and I ripped her a new asshole. Now family lore. A fine email, I was quite proud of it. And yes, they retreated. Par for the course when on even ground against somebody willing to fight.

  10. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    Um, parody has always been protected speech…at least as long as I can remember.

    Funny that our resident liberal would give credit to Al Franken for it. Funny, but predictable.

    I think the ad is hilarious. :em93:

  11. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    The MorOns at RaveOn.org can go ƒµ¢≤ themselves… :em71:

  12. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    No, the issue is that MoveOn.org is using its wealth and power attempting to stifle opposition viewpoints; like most of your favorite liberals, their goal is domination and power, *NOT* freedom.

    No, the issue MoveOn is having with THIS particular thing is their trademark. And perhaps you failed to notice that I felt that they didn’t have a leg to stand on, given a court decision between one Al Franken and Bill O’Reilly, where the court ruled that you can use another’s registered trademark for parody?

    Actually, he was howling with indignant rage a few days ago, suggesting that the Senate criticizing MorOn.org was somehow a threat to free speech.

    I was howling? I am not sure I had the energy to do much howling this past week.

    But yes, I felt that the Senate (and later the House, apparently) had no business getting involved with something as stupid as that — especially given the fact that they didn’t condemn each time Republicans have attacked someone’s military career for political gain.

    It was a fucking newspaper ad. It wasn’t months of Swift Boat ads, or comparing Max Clelland to Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, then insinuating that he purposely blew himself up.

    Are we going to go after some kind of Senate resolution each time Acid Annie opens her yap?

    It might surprise you to know, that I don’t give one damn to anything MoveOn does or says. Sometimes they say something that I might find common ground with and other times I might be totally opposed to their viewpoint. I am that way with virtually every thing. I have yet to find anyone or any thing I either agree or disagree with 100 percent.

    Funny that our resident liberal would give credit to Al Franken for it. Funny, but predictable.

    Yes, but it was FOX News that challenged it in court. THAT is why I brought it up, and that is why I gave credit to Franken. He was the defendant, and he won.

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Are we going to go after some kind of Senate resolution each time Acid Annie opens her yap?

    As I told you then, go for it! I don’t care, and I most certainly won’t be moaning about Ann’s free speech rights being threatened by the Senate criticizing her.

    No, the issue MoveOn is having with THIS particular thing is their trademark.

    Bullshit, DJ. Unless you’re suggesting that the legal dept. of MorOn.org are more ignorant of the law than a 4-year-old, you know as well as I do that they knew their bogus “trademark case” didn’t have a fucking leg to stand on.

    So why did they go ahead with it anyway? For the same reason that Tits on a Chair™ went ahead with threatening me with a libel suit for expressing my opinion, even though she knew damn good and well that that wouldn’t go anywhere: BECAUSE THEY (LIKE SHE) WANTED TO BULLY A CRITIC INTO SHUTTING UP.

    Now quit spinning, DJ, you’re making me dizzy here.

  14. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    As I told you then, go for it! I don’t care, and I most certainly won’t be moaning about Ann’s free speech rights being threatened by the Senate criticizing her.

    C’mon, you won’t think it to be a colosal waste of time? I certainly would, and I will “howl” just the same if they go after Acid Annie as they did going after MoveOn. It shouldn’t be a function of the government to have an official stand on someone’s, or some group’s opinion.

    If the Senators and Representatives each want to have a personal statement, then that is giving their opinion. They aren’t recording it as an official government stance.

    Do you see where I am coming from here?

    I don’t care who the person or group is — the government shouldn’t even have the perception of stiffling opinion.

    Bullshit, DJ. Unless you’re suggesting that the legal dept. of MorOn.org are more ignorant of the law than a 4-year-old, you know as well as I do that they knew their bogus “trademark case” didn’t have a fucking leg to stand on.

    Well, Bill O’Reilly and Fox News were apparently ignorant of the law when they sued Franken for his use of their trademarked, “Fair and Balanced”.

    So why did they go ahead with it anyway? For the same reason that Tits on a Chair™ went ahead with threatening me with a libel suit for expressing my opinion, even though she knew damn good and well that that wouldn’t go anywhere: BECAUSE THEY (LIKE SHE) WANTED TO BULLY A CRITIC INTO SHUTTING UP.

    Coca-cola, Pepsi, and other big names still issue cease and desist letters to people they find using their trademarks without permission — even if they are being used as parody. It usually has the desired effect because most people would immediately stop using the material because THEY are ignorant of the law.

    It’s a bluff, a bully tactic. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. If the company is big enough, or has deep enough pockets, they might try to outspend you in legal fees — even if they would ultimately lose if the case ever went to court.

    You could countersue, but that costs money also. Eventually both sides quietly settle and go about their ways.

    There are more bogus lawsuits started every day with the intention that it will never make it to court. They are designed to intimidate and force the other side to do something they don’t want to do, by causing that side to spend money it cannot afford to spend. Fox tried that with Al Franken and Franken had enough money to fight back — and win. A lot of people don’t, so they are forced to back off and let the bully win.

    Don’t assume that I approve of the tactics, I am just telling you what happens. It is dispicable, really.

    Now quit spinning, DJ, you’re making me dizzy here.

    I’ve got some stuff here that can help you with that. :lol:

  15. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Well, Bill O’Reilly and Fox News were apparently ignorant of the law when they sued Franken for his use of their trademarked, “Fair and Balanced”.

    No they weren’t. They were trying to shut him up too by using frivolous lawsuits, just like Tits on a Chair™ and MorOn.org. They knew damn good and well that their “case” wasn’t one to begin with, but they were hoping that he’d just shut up and go away rather than fight it.

    For once, I found myself in agreement with something that Franken did. He’s still an asshole, but kudos to him for standing up to the SLAPP Suit bullies.

    Another example. But that wasn’t my question: Do you still maintain that MorOn.org were somehow under the delusion that the law protected their name from being made fun of?

    Coca-cola, Pepsi, and other big names still issue cease and desist letters to people they find using their trademarks without permission — even if they are being used as parody. It usually has the desired effect because most people would immediately stop using the material because THEY are ignorant of the law.

    FOR THE SAME FUCKING REASONS! People aren’t backing down from those cease and desist letters because they’re ignorant of the law, at least not all of them. They’re backing down because they KNOW that even defending yourself in a case where you’re absolutely right costs money, and they have a Hell of a lot less than that than, say, Coca-Cola or Pepsi.

    So, again, are you still maintaining that MorOn.org are somehow an exception to all of this? That they, alone among all people, are completely ignorant of the law and really only wanted to protect their trademark?

    It’s a bluff, a bully tactic. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. If the company is big enough, or has deep enough pockets, they might try to outspend you in legal fees — even if they would ultimately lose if the case ever went to court.

    Yes. Just as MorOn.org was trying to do in this case. But apparently that’s not the same thing. Somehow their SLAPP suit was founded on an honest concern for their “trademark” and a complete ignorance of decades’ worth of case law.

    Or wasn’t it? Still waiting.

    Don’t assume that I approve of the tactics, I am just telling you what happens. It is dispicable, really.

    I know you don’t. The only thing we disagree on here is that, for some reason, you keep insisting that MorOn.org wasn’t trying to shut up an opponent with a SLAPP suit, that somehow they’re 99% more ignorant of the law than the rest of the American people.

    That’s all. I didn’t ask for more examples of the tactic (although they’re all good examples), I just asked you a simple question:

    Do you, or do you not insist that MorOn.org is ignorant of the law and “only wanted to protect their trademark?”

    That’s all.

  16. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    There are always other options:

  17. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    No they weren’t. They were trying to shut him up too by using frivolous lawsuits, just like Tits on a Chair™ and MorOn.org. They knew damn good and well that their “case” wasn’t one to begin with, but they were hoping that he’d just shut up and go away rather than fight it.

    What the hell are we arguing for? I just pretty much agreed with you, didn’t I?

    Another example. But that wasn’t my question: Do you still maintain that MorOn.org were somehow under the delusion that the law protected their name from being made fun of?

    Well, I am no mind reader, but I don’t think they are under any such delusion, but for the reason both of us have given, they are going to try anything as a bluff.

    Now this is just a theory/conspiracy of mine: it is also possible that the more they whine about it, the more they can draw in more monetary support from people by showing that they are ‘unfairly’ under “attack”.

    Anything for a buck, if you know what I mean. Publicity is publicity. Keep the name out there and you are likely to draw in the money one way or another.

    My grandfather had a saying when it came to people who thrived on attention, whether it be good or bad:

    “There is no such thing as “bad bait” if you aren’t particular of the kind of fish you are going to catch.”

    So, again, are you still maintaining that MorOn.org are somehow an exception to all of this? That they, alone among all people, are completely ignorant of the law and really only wanted to protect their trademark?

    Do I need to start using flags to signal that we appear to be in agreement, but just taking slightly different tacts to get there? :em99:

    Do you, or do you not insist that MorOn.org is ignorant of the law and “only wanted to protect their trademark?”

    Lemme say it a slightly different way:

    MoveOn is making a stink and basing it on a “trademark” violation — because they can. It doesn’t mean they have a legal leg to stand on, it only means they can whine about anything they want.

    They know that they have no legal foundation or that it will stop nothing. But they can get monetary mileage out of it in the way of donations, and THAT is the bottom line.

    The more they give off the impression that they are under attack, the more people are going to send in their ten, twenty, and fifty dollar bills.

    It isn’t just MoveOn, ANY political group right or left thrives on the publicity, good or bad. It is all win-win.

  18. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    MoveOn is making a stink and basing it on a “trademark” violation — because they can. It doesn’t mean they have a legal leg to stand on, it only means they can whine about anything they want.

    Anybody can, “sue,” anybody for anything. Likewise, anybody can, “whine,” about anything. That doesn’t make the suing or the whining in any way legitimate.

    The more they give off the impression that they are under attack, the more people are going to send in their ten, twenty, and fifty dollar bills.

    It isn’t just MoveOn, ANY political group right or left thrives on the publicity, good or bad. It is all win-win.

    While this is all essentially true, it doesn’t change the fact that MoveOn is indeed doing this in an effort to shut people up who are criticizing them.

  19. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #14 by DJ Allyn, Le Bouche du Mierde…

    His August Majesty Quoth:
    >>> As I told you then, go for it! I don’t care, and I
    >>> most certainly won’t be moaning about Ann’s free
    >>> speech rights being threatened by the Senate
    >>> criticizing her.

    C’mon, you won’t think it to be a colosal waste of time?

    He said nothing about whether it would be a colossal waste of time; he said he wouldn’t try to portray it as an assault on free speech.

    What is your problem with getting on people’s case for things they didn’t say? Did you get a bulk discount on straw?

    It shouldn’t be a function of the government to have an official stand on someone’s, or some group’s opinion.

    I don’t think anyone has said that it should be. But it was the Dhimmicraps who let it go through in the first place; Reid *could* have stopped the resolution if he really wanted to, and would have had ample justification for such a decision.

    I don’t care who the person or group is — the government shouldn’t even have the perception of stiffling opinion.

    OK, fair enough. Now explain McCain-Feingold.

    Well, Bill O’Reilly and Fox News were apparently ignorant of the law when they sued Franken for his use of their trademarked, “Fair and Balanced”.

    I’ll grant you it was a stupid legal theory. Unfortunately thanks to Librul judges it’s almost impossible to get a judgment for defamation these days - that was Franken’s real crime. And yes, I do distinguish between ‘opinion’ and outright defamation, even if your cherished courts and the trial industry have worked so hard (and made themselves quite rich) trying to erase it.

    Coca-cola, Pepsi, and other big names still issue cease and desist letters to people they find using their trademarks without permission — even if they are being used as parody.

    In some cases the trademark - as in a logo, not just a name - *is* being used in a way that a reasonable person might mistake material for ‘official’ company product. In other cases the ‘parody’ crosses the line into defamation, but because of the intentional weakening of that concept by the legal ‘profession’ they use trademark claims which are easier to enforce. Sometimes you have to go to court with the laws you have, not the laws you want.

    It usually has the desired effect because most people would immediately stop using the material because THEY are ignorant of the law.

    Probably in some cases; but it couldn’t ever *possibly* be that they know they got caught doing something wrong, could it? Nah, everybody know the Eeeevul Corporations (TM) are always in the wrong…

    There are more bogus lawsuits started every day with the intention that it will never make it to court.

    And what would happen, pray tell, if the courts would bother to throw out frivolous lawsuits *and* actually punish people for filing them - especially the attorneys who ‘just happen’ to make billions off such cases and by all rights should know better?

  20. LC Scott Comment by LC Scott

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    Need I say It.

    If it walks like a duck

    Smells like a Clinton

    Then even a well paid prostitute would be envious.