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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Where’s The Outrage™?
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Jesse Hi-Jackson and Al Sharp(as a stick of butter)ton, call your offices!

Oh no he DIN’T! Oh yes he DID!

Silky Pony, the Breck Girl, actually stands before a live studio audience, stating that all young blacks are criminals. White boys, apparently not so much.

That ought to play well with the usual race-baiting suspects.

If they’d pull their fat fingers out of their ears, that is.

22 Responses to “Where’s The Outrage™?”
  1. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    The power of The Offset,, freakin’ awesome.

    (spit)

  2. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    Incredible how Jackson and Sharpton are still the media’s go-to boys, what with their decades-long affinity to embarrassing the black man publicly with their hypocrisy, arrogance, intolerance, reverse-racism and stupidity.

  3. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Alright, I listened to it four times, and don’t see the ‘outrageous’ part.

    There is this comment that people like Sharpton and Jackson have been talking about for a very long time:

    “We cannot build enough prisons to solve this problem. And the idea that we can keep incarcerating and keep incarcerating — pretty soon we’re not going to have a young African-American male population in America. They’re all going to be in prison or dead. One of the two.”

    It is true that blacks are more likely to be incarcerated for crimes than whites — mainly due to ecomonics. People who live in suburban areas tend to afford lawyers that can mitigate their convictions and/or sentences. People who live in the poor urban areas tend to go with over-worked public defenders who wind up rocket-docketing these guys directly to prison on a plea bargain.

    I do have a problem with Edward’s assertion that Blacks are more likely to be involved with crack cocaine. The reality is, whites are more likely to be crack cocaine users mainly because they have more money to spend.

    Whites tend to sell their drugs indoors or off the street, whereas blacks living in the poorer areas are going to sell on the street or public areas. Hense the reason they tend to get picked up more than their suburban counterparts.

    I loved the comparison made at the campaign spot:

    there are more young African-American men in college than in prison. In 2005, according to the Census Bureau, there were 864,000 black men in college. According to Justice Department statistics, there were 802,000 in federal and state prisons and jails; between the ages of 18 and 24, however, black men in college outnumber those incarcerated by 4 to 1.

    Ah, but how many of those men in college have a criminal record?

    864,000 black men of all ages in college versus 802,000 aged 18 to 24 in prison? Can we perhaps compare apples to apples a little?

    How many black men 18 to 24 are there in college? (this shouldn’t count those who are currently incarcertated AND in college — which is very possible)

    I am not seeing the ‘outrage’ in his comments. Like I said, Jackson, Sharpton, et al have been saying the exact same thing for years now.

    Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, we went through the largest prison-building phase in American history. It became big money to incarcerate prisoners. We increased drug sentences with mandatory one-size-fits-all sentences for drug usage and/or possession regardless of severity. A person could get locked up for a mandatory 20 year sentence for one little rock of cocaine or ten pounds of rock cocaine — quantity didn’t matter.

    The move to privatize prisons and awarding contracts to companies like Wackenhut, Corrections Corporation of America, and several other companies to take over some state and federal prisons in order to turn a profit. It didn’t mean the cost of running the prison was cheaper, it only meant that the middle man who ran the prison got to profit on it.

    The inmate became the ‘inventory’. In order to increase profits, you simply had to increase your inventory. So pressure was put out ot incarcerate people — the longer, the more money.

    But you couldn’t get many of the people from the suburbs — they had money to get out. So they wound up sucking up all of the people from the poor urban areas.

  4. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ, I hope you’re out of that damned hospital and feeling better sir,
    now back to business:

    It is true that blacks are more likely to be incarcerated for crimes than whites — mainly due to ecomonics. People who live in suburban areas tend to afford lawyers that can mitigate their convictions and/or sentences. People who live in the poor urban areas tend to go with over-worked public defenders who wind up rocket-docketing these guys directly to prison on a plea bargain.

    I believe that poor blacks are more likely to be incarcerated because they have been enslaved by the welfare mongers. Raised up to believe that they have no way out of the institutionalized poverty and lower class status that anchors them to a bureaucracy whose only interest is in it’s own existence and profit. They have not been taught to think for themselves or to act on their own, they are slaves to the system. The sooner they realize that, the better off they will become.

    As for the public defenders, they don’t work out the plea-bargains. It’s the over-worked prosecutors that do that.

    Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, we went through the largest prison-building phase in American history. It became big money to incarcerate prisoners. We increased drug sentences with mandatory one-size-fits-all sentences for drug usage and/or possession regardless of severity. A person could get locked up for a mandatory 20 year sentence for one little rock of cocaine or ten pounds of rock cocaine — quantity didn’t matter.

    Don’t get me started on drug sentences, locking up the addicts and users accomplishes nothing…they don’t know right from wrong, they live from fix to fix (know this from personal experience). As for the dealers, they just go to prison and run their operation from there. I believe we should confiscate everything that belongs to the dealer…house…cars…guns…everything, and use his money for civic projects, like inner-city schools and rehab centers and police funding.

    The move to privatize prisons and awarding contracts to companies like Wackenhut, Corrections Corporation of America, and several other companies to take over some state and federal prisons in order to turn a profit. It didn’t mean the cost of running the prison was cheaper, it only meant that the middle man who ran the prison got to profit on it.

    The inmate became the ‘inventory’. In order to increase profits, you simply had to increase your inventory. So pressure was put out ot incarcerate people — the longer, the more money.

    But you couldn’t get many of the people from the suburbs — they had money to get out. So they wound up sucking up all of the people from the poor urban areas.

    Come on man, The middle class white guilt in that statement is so blatant as to be comedic. most prisons were privatized because the states couldn’t afford to run them anymore, Profit didn’t have anything to do with it. Do you really think that places like Seattle…where you get arrested 6 times for car theft, before you do any jail time…really scoop up people off the streets to send to their money making gulags? That’s just paranoid…..

    Oh well oh hell, I’m glad that you’re still around to argue with….please take it easy and get healthy O.K.??

  5. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Dave
    Also really hope you’re feeling better.

    I think you’re a little off on the crack cocaine thing. At least the way it used to be was that blacks were the primary (and not sole) users of crack cocaine, whereas whites were the primary consumers of standard powdered cocaine. The crack was viewed as a much more severe threat, and users/dealers (generally black) were given substantially greater jail sentences.

  6. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ shitmouthed again:

    864,000 black men of all ages in college versus 802,000 aged 18 to 24 in prison? Can we perhaps compare apples to apples a little?

    That *IS* apples to apples, dipshit: 864,000 of ALL AGES in college, versus 802,000 of ALL AGES in prison. Still a close ratio, granted, but comparable populations. Among ‘college age’ black men (arbitrarily defined as 18-24) the number in college is about 4 times the number in prison; what the exact figures are we don’t know since they haven’t been given in the source at hand.

    Try reading for comprehension instead of deliberate misrepresentation to feed your hypocritical race baiting.

    Oh, and if we *wanted* to stick poor helpwess people in jail, wouldn’t it be easier to have ridiculously long sentences for, oh I don’t know, child rapists and illegals (especially those brazenly defying the law with repeated DUI’s etc.)? Your infallible judges whom you worship don’t seem to think those are serious enough to lock people up for.

  7. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    DJ -

    It is true that blacks are more likely to be incarcerated for crimes than whites — mainly due to ecomonics. People who live in suburban areas tend to afford lawyers that can mitigate their convictions and/or sentences. People who live in the poor urban areas tend to go with over-worked public defenders who wind up rocket-docketing these guys directly to prison on a plea bargain.

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bullshit. I’ve been intimately involved in the criminal justice system now for almost thiry-five years. It starts when they are 12. They get multiple arrests as juvies then start the Youthful Offender gig when they hit 16. Then they shoot someone when they are 19 or 20 and then finally, finally get sent to jail. By now it’s too late. They have been empowered by the free fucking lawyers and the liberal judges into thinking that they can do anything they want.

    I get a real kick when we tell these assholes that they are going federal prosecution. These assholes burst into tears ’cause they know they’re going away for a looooong time outside some potato farm in Utah.

    We examined one kid who was arrested over a dozen times on 31 different charges starting in his early teens. He didn’t go to jail until he shot someone. No one goes to jail for a misdemeanor anymore. At least not here. It just costs too much to warehouse these mopes.

    Whites tend to sell their drugs indoors or off the street, whereas blacks living in the poorer areas are going to sell on the street or public areas. Hense the reason they tend to get picked up more than their suburban counterparts.

    It’s the violence. Whites don’t kill each other with the alarming gusto that their darker counterparts do. The cops gravitate towards the sound of the guns.

    Look, I have been tracking narcotics enforcement activities and managing the funding for them since 1987. It’s the gunplay that has driven much of the suppression efforts. Without the violent context there wouldn’t be the emphasis that we’ve seen the past twenty years. It’s ain’t the crack so much as the lead.

    Throughout the 1980s and 1990s, we went through the largest prison-building phase in American history. It became big money to incarcerate prisoners. We increased drug sentences with mandatory one-size-fits-all sentences for drug usage and/or possession regardless of severity. A person could get locked up for a mandatory 20 year sentence for one little rock of cocaine or ten pounds of rock cocaine — quantity didn’t matter.

    More bull shit. You rarely go to jail for possession charges. It’s the criminal sale of a controlled substance and the mega-violence that surrounds this activity that puts them in jail. You want verification? Just go to the federal UCR reports and look at the murder rates deej. This country went from slightly over 9,000 murders in 1960 to over 24,000 murders in 1991! The Violent Felony Offenses went from 288,000 to almost 2 MILLION in the same period of time. For crying out loud these murderous thugs turned our cities into hunting preserves. You want we should do what with these assholes??????
    This same bullshit agrument was posited when they repealed the harsh Rockefeller anti-drug laws. We reviewed the sentencing guidelines for all the offenders committed to state prison. Violence was ALWAYS the pretext for our sentence recommendations. Those arrested only for possession charges rarely get sent up. There are diversion programs up the ying yang trying to keep these shitheads out of the slammer. They re-offend time and time again and still do not get sent to jail. I’m starting to believe that you’re the one smoking crack deej. And you live with a cop?

    But you couldn’t get many of the people from the suburbs — they had money to get out. So they wound up sucking up all of the people from the poor urban areas.

    Sweet Lord - does someone help you get dressed in the morning? How can someone so smart be so clueless???? This staggers me. You have absolutely no idea what is going on.

  8. Unregistered Comment by Admiral of the Imperial Seventh Fleet

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    silky will get a pass…what bugs me about it is all the “we need this program and that program” talk……damned socialist twat.

    Another thing…..that whole griping about employers not wanting to hire ex-cons?

    Of course people don’t wanna hire ex cons…..they have already proven they are criminally minded….ya can’t trust most of ‘em….lemme tell ya…for the last few weeks I have been working at the county fair as a bug wrangler (more on that later) and many of th guy sweeping up and doing the grunt work are ex cons, with tats on their necks, a very ignorant way of speaking and a work ethic that would make a tree sloth look absolutely energetic.

    I was told they only hired them because they get some kind of tax break for doing so and nobody else (even the illegals) wants to do the work for the pay.

    And Deej? Claiming economic conditions (or anything else) as a cause of blacks being locked up more than whites is silly….it’s a matter of personal responsibility…..nobody is forced into being a crack selling, brother killing cretinous drain on society….they make the choice, let ‘em pay the price for their stupidity.

    I think we should take away all civil rights of those locked up, toss ‘em in a cell and throw food at them a couple of times a day…..punishment, not rehab….make prison a crappy place to go, as crappy as you can, and maybe, just maybe people will try harder to stay out.

  9. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DJ, I hope you’re out of that damned hospital and feeling better sir

    yep, out of the frying pan, into the fire.

    I believe that poor blacks are more likely to be incarcerated because they have been enslaved by the welfare mongers.

    Egads, you sound like some social worker.

    There are a whole lotta reasons that would take hours to run down. Some of it is self-fulfiling issues, some just being caught up in a lifestyle without the opportunity to get out.

    I’ve worked with gangs in LA for several years back in the 1990s. I’ve lived in and around their neighborhoods. I’ve worked in outreach programs, and volunteered in programs in state and federal prison. These kids had a self-worth that without their ‘family’ hovered somewhere around zero. Their parents left them to fend for themselves most of the time while they worked their below-poverty jobs, the schools had no money to teach these kids — they would literally werehouse them during the day. So the only thing they had was each other and larger-than-life dream of being a “hard” gangsta along with all of the bling.

    There are a lot of contributing factors going on, not just one thing you can point to and say, “ah-HA!”

    When I got off of drugs in 1994, it was my desire to get into the drug and social counseling field. I left the band I had been working for in LA and entered into the MSW program at UCLA. I graduated two years later, and stayed in LA for another two years before I moved back up to Washington to take a job with the Washington State Department of Corrections. I stayed there for about a year before I decided that prison was NOT where I wanted to be working. By then, I wasn’t sure what direction I would head and ended up going back into radio.

    But I digress. [damn fucking drugs — lemme see if I can get back on track…]

    As for the public defenders, they don’t work out the plea-bargains. It’s the over-worked prosecutors that do that.

    It is the public defenders who sell the idea to plead guilty to their clients.

    Typically, the state will over-charge a defendant they really want to lock up, offer a ‘deal’ to drop the wild charges in exchange for a guilty plea with some jail or prison time. The PD — the one who is REALLY over worked with 300 cases — will attempt to clear his caseload as fast as possible, because he gets paid by the number of cases disposed of. Most public defenders have never done a trial.

    Don’t get me started on drug sentences, locking up the addicts and users accomplishes nothing…they don’t know right from wrong, they live from fix to fix (know this from personal experience).

    I have long been a proponent of drug courts, and residential drug programs in prison. They are the only things that have had a good success rate. It was a drug court that Rush Limbaugh went through a year ago.

    As for the dealers, they just go to prison and run their operation from there. I believe we should confiscate everything that belongs to the dealer…house…cars…guns…everything, and use his money for civic projects, like inner-city schools and rehab centers and police funding.

    They already do that through civil abatement programs. The problem is, it also opens up room for a lot of abuse by police agencies who see it as a form of revenue to build up their forces in such a way that it is actually illegal activity on the part of the police.

    Here is some of the problems in the past with the civil abatement laws. You living here in Kirkland must know where Black Diamond is, right? Several years ago, that tiny police force used to travel all over the state to make drug busts so they could confiscate property, cars, and money. The law at the time allowed ANY police agency in the state to make such busts anywhere within the borders of the state. They could confiscate property, money, cars, or whatever without ever having to file a criminal charge against anybody. It was a civil matter. There was an administrative court process that a person could go through to try and retreive their property, but its rules were vague and there was a high monetary cost involved to go through the process. The burden of proof was on the person whose property had been confiscated, and many times it was insinuated that if they pursued the hearing then they might be looking at criminal charges as well.

    There were cops in this small town of Black Diamond driving around $80k cars, spending untraceable money, and just living large — all because the laws on civil forfieture were so heavy handed.

    Thankfully, the laws have been changed, and Black Diamond (and other small departments) have been cut back down to size.

    most prisons were privatized because the states couldn’t afford to run them anymore,

    Actually, states like California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, and others who have gone with private prisons have wound up paying virtually the same amount of money per inmate than they were when they were operating those prisons themselves. In some cases, they have actually had to lay out more money.

    The FBOP has been doing a ten-year feasibilty study on privatization. They have two almost identical low-custody facilities, where one is run by Wackenhut (now The GEO Group) and the other is run by the BOP as a control.

    A 2005 report found that while the BOP operated at 2.6 percent higher than Wackenhut, it also fell short in several crucial areas. (page 89 for conclusion)

    Since that report, there have been three more escapes, two more riots, and they have been caught serving meat in cases marked “Not fit for human consumption”.

    Do you really think that places like Seattle…where you get arrested 6 times for car theft, before you do any jail time…really scoop up people off the streets to send to their money making gulags? That’s just paranoid…..

    Actually, if you look at the matrix of the guidelines in the Sentence Reform Act of 1981 (RCW 9.94A) :

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    On your first offense of any kind, you might not get any jail time, but a second offense will most likely get you 45 days. then, with no mitigating or agravating circumstances, the next ones will get you an average of three months for your third time, four months for you fourth time five months for your fifth time, eight months for your sixth time, then you will hit prison for 12 to 14 months. But usually, if you hit your third or fourth conviction in less than ten years, you can expect to get the top of each range. That means that by the time the auto thief gets to prison, he will have already served 31 months in a county jail.

    The thing is, most of these thieves get busted for three or four charges at a time. It is conceivable that the first time auto thief might actually hit the prison gate on his first try.

    This state doesn’t have any private prisons yet, so the incentive to lock people up for money isn’t there yet. But look at the states that do have private prisons — Texas, California, Florida… There they have a tendency to lock people up for the long haul.

    I won’t even go into the prison industry scams…

    whereas whites were the primary consumers of standard powdered cocaine.

    Which they tend to rock up because they can then smoke it.

    DJ shitmouthed again:

    Which is usually code for you not having a clue. (as evidenced by the following:

    That *IS* apples to apples, dipshit: 864,000 of ALL AGES in college, versus 802,000 of ALL AGES in prison.

    Actually, idiotstick, the update wasn’t there before. But even the update is a bit misleading. Here is another article (a little older though) that explains it better.

    You can say that there are more blacks who drive silver cars than who are in prison if you want — and that too might be true. But the cold, hard fact is that if you are a black male, you are more likely to go to prison than a white male.

    Here is a figure you can’t get around:

    African Americans make up roughly 13 percent of the US population, and 41 percent of the prison population.

    The prison population percentages would match the US percentages if the statement wasn’t true. Then there is this

    Oh, and if we *wanted* to stick poor helpwess people in jail, wouldn’t it be easier to have ridiculously long sentences for, oh I don’t know, child rapists and illegals (especially those brazenly defying the law with repeated DUI’s etc.)?

    Do you realize that the majority of inmates housed in any Low-Custody Federal Correctional Institution are illegals waiting for INS Court? They don’t show up on the Department of Justice’s statistics because they aren’t being held by the DOJ. Most are waiting up to five years just to get a hearing to be deported. That is how long the backlog is.

    But in answer to your clueless question, the numbers of child rapists are not all that high. Sex offenders make up roughly 9 percent of the total prison population. Child molesters make up roughly 36 percent of that 9 percent, or slightly more than 3 percent of the total prison population.

    But the point Einstein, is that prison sentences are artificially high for certain drug offenses, because that is the crime that the majority of people commit. And they are high so that more people could be locked up.

    The Prison Industrial Complex is a very real thing.

    Your infallible judges whom you worship don’t seem to think those are serious enough to lock people up for.

    I worship judges?

    Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh bullshit. I’ve been intimately involved in the criminal justice system now for almost thiry-five years. It starts when they are 12. They get multiple arrests as juvies then start the Youthful Offender gig when they hit 16. Then they shoot someone when they are 19 or 20 and then finally, finally get sent to jail. By now it’s too late. They have been empowered by the free fucking lawyers and the liberal judges into thinking that they can do anything they want.

    Yes, many of them have juvenile records. You are right, they start out at a very young age. But I think you missed the “why” part.

    I mentioned that there is no one thing you can point to, didn’t I?

    I get a real kick when we tell these assholes that they are going federal prosecution. These assholes burst into tears ’cause they know they’re going away for a looooong time outside some potato farm in Utah.

    They do? There is no federal prison anywhere in Utah. There isn’t even a Federal Detention Center.

    Besides, most people would rather do Federal time over state time.

    We examined one kid who was arrested over a dozen times on 31 different charges starting in his early teens. He didn’t go to jail until he shot someone. No one goes to jail for a misdemeanor anymore. At least not here. It just costs too much to warehouse these mopes.

    I don’t know where ‘here’ is, but if that kid were HERE, he would have been in jail.

    It’s the violence. Whites don’t kill each other with the alarming gusto that their darker counterparts do. The cops gravitate towards the sound of the guns.

    True, whites also tend to do their business inside, off the streets and mostly out of sight. What the cops don’t see, doesn’t attract them as much.

    It isn’t really a ‘race issue’, it is a culture issue. The gang lifestyle, the mentality, all of that.

    More bull shit. You rarely go to jail for possession charges.

    Again, I don’t know where your ‘here’ is, but around HERE? You are hitting the Graybar Hotel. If you get nabbed by a Joint Task Force, you are hitting the Federal Detention Center. There are a LOT of JTFs around here, let me tell you.

    There are diversion programs up the ying yang trying to keep these shitheads out of the slammer. They re-offend time and time again and still do not get sent to jail. I’m starting to believe that you’re the one smoking crack deej. And you live with a cop?

    Actually, some of those diversion programs actually work. Does this mean we should be offering diversion to violent offenders? Certainly not. But the mere users/possessers should be afforded a chance to clean their act up. Most are addicts, and as such are very curable, if given the proper motivation and opportunity.

    The old way of just locking them up for an arbitrary amount of time doesn’t work. They do their time, maybe learn a new criminal ‘trade’, and come out with the same habit they had when they went in. They just pick up right where they left off.

    Now many states and the Feds have a new program they are trying — and so far the results have been promising. Either a person is identified at the time of arrest as being someone who could benefit through diversion in the form of a “Drug Court”, or they are identified as someone who could take advantage of an intensive ‘residential’ drug program inside of prison.

    The second option is moving an inmate into a separate part of the prison with other participants and they are given intensive drug counseling based on subjective psychology methods, usually lasting 500 to 1000 hours over a 9 - 18 month time span. They are then given some time off of their incarceration — usually a year — and placed on a special supervision where they are required to have followup counselling once they are released.

    The last figures I read on such a program was the RDAP program for the feds. Recidivism dropped to about 3 percent for the first five years after release. Not bad, when you consider without RDAP the recidivism rate of an average 28 year old inmate was about 82 percent. That was in 2002. I suppose I could check with some people I know who are still involved in the programs to see if there is any new data available.

    I think we should take away all civil rights of those locked up, toss ‘em in a cell and throw food at them a couple of times a day…..punishment, not rehab….make prison a crappy place to go, as crappy as you can, and maybe, just maybe people will try harder to stay out.

    Throw on compulsary prison industry for 12 cents a day and that is pretty much what you have now.

    The problem is, it doesn’t work. You want to werehouse someone on a shelf until their due date is up, and expect him to magically be ‘fixed’. He is just as broken as the moment he set foot in there, maybe a bit worse.

    If you are going to hold someone, why not do a little work on him to make him better?

    Which is more important to you, punishment or rehabilitation?

    Punishment doesn’t fix the problem. It might make YOU feel a little better for a while. But an opportunity to rehabilitate someone can prevent future problems. Granted, not everyone can or wants to be rehabilitated. But that doesn’t mean you should just give up on the majority who you can bring around.

    Of course people don’t wanna hire ex cons…..they have already proven they are criminally minded….ya can’t trust most of ‘em

    I know a lot of ex-cons, and most you wouldn’t even know them if they told you. Sure, you see a couple at a state fair, and you think they are all like that. Maybe a lot are, but there are a lot more who aren’t. Most tend to be hard-working, and cover a multitude of trades. Most employers could give a rats ass what a person was before — they just want to know how that person is now, and how he is going to work in the future.

    And you live with a cop?

    Medically retired State Patrol. I think he had twenty-eight years between Seattle PD and the Patrol. Before that, he was military police with the Marines.

    But hey, I don’t hold it against him. He pays his rent on time and he’s cheaper than a burglar alarm. The neighbors love it too, because he gets a lot of his cop friends over here with their cars and the front area looks like a police parking lot sometimes.

    Well, I am getting a little hazy now. This took me over four hours to type — I kept getting interupted by fits of sleep.

    I am getting better, I am healing all right, and I am cutting down on the meds I am taking. The sooner I am off this crap, the better I will be. Thankfully, it wasn’t my drug of choice when I was using. I can’t STAND the way this stuff makes me feel.

    Oh well, good night.

  10. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    In the Flesh

    So ya
    Thought ya
    Might like to
    go to the show
    To feel the warm thrill of confusion
    That space cadet glow
    I’ve got some bad news for you sunshine
    Pink isn’t well he stayed back at the hotel
    And they sent us along as a surrogate band
    And we’re going to find out where you fans
    Really stand
    Are there any queers in the theatre tonight
    Get ‘em up against the wall
    That one looks Jewish
    And that one’s a coon
    Who let all this riff raff into the room
    There’s one smoking a joint and
    Another with spots
    If I had my way I’d have all of you shot

    Ah, a bit of the Pink Floyd running through the head….

  11. Unregistered Pingback by Silky Pony: “all black men are criminals”

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    […] actually said at an MTV appearance that if we just keep building prisons “all young African-American males […]

  12. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    Blacks are in jail in larger numbers because……………………..(drum roll please)…The commit more freaking crimes compared to their 12% of the population than whites, asians, or even, dare I say it?, Illegals.

    Jesse Jackoff and Al Witless Sharpton are old news….why O’Reilly puts these jokers on and gives them face time is still a mystery.

    If blacks want respect for something other than sports and pop culture….stop committing violent crimes in larger numbers than the general population, stop producing 80% bastard children until you can at least freaking afford them.

    And if you need “hero”, look up to the likes of Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams, and shun the likes of Jesse, Al, and Michael Vick.

    hOOt

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    or Lynn Swann, hOOt

    Swann used to come to our Football rallies at Serra

    He coulda been governor of Pennsylvania has his people not been so afraid of the GOP.

  14. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Blacks are in jail in larger numbers because……………………..(drum roll please)…The commit more freaking crimes compared to their 12% of the population than whites, asians, or even, dare I say it?, Illegals.

    Bzzzzzt! Nope. They tend to commit crimes at about the same per capita than any of the other races, it’s just that money will get you better legal representation, which usually translates into a better deal with the prosecutor, or a more agressive defense in case of a trial.

    The majority of people locked up in jails and prisons are low-level drug offenses. Many of the inner-city blacks in prison doing mandatory ten, and twenty year sentences are there as a result of the government’s Weed and Seed programs.

    The ’strategy’ sounds good on paper: take violent offenders and drug abusers out of the neighborhood, then clean up the neighborhood by spending money to demolish old housing and put in new housing, shops, etc to attract a more upscale group of people who aren’t committing crimes.

    hmmmm.

    That is the part that most people missed. It became a land taking. Push out the poor, tear down their homes, and make way for housing that the poor had no prayer in hell of ever affording.

    But what to do with the poor? Oh, we can lock them up for ten or twenty years!

  15. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

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    “There’s one in the spotlight!
    He don’t look right to me.
    Get him up against the wall!”

    Dunno about Edwards. Sounded like he projected his own assumption upon the President that all young black men are either criminals, victims of homicide/suicide, or both.

  16. hOOt Gibson Comment by hOOt Gibson

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    BJ…if nothing else, you are full of lie-beral shit on a consistant basis….Blacks=12% of the General Population….Blacks=59% of convicted Murders…and no I won’t site a source…look it up.

    I will admit that whether black, white, brown, yellow, or green, economic background has much to do with crime stats….but the bottom line still is…Blacks are being born to one parent families in hugh numbers compared to the general population…and that is the major problem.

    hOOt

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    The ’strategy’ sounds good on paper: take violent offenders and drug abusers out of the neighborhood, then clean up the neighborhood by spending money to demolish old housing and put in new housing, shops, etc to attract a more upscale group of people who aren’t committing crimes.

    hmmmm.

    That is the part that most people missed. It became a land taking. Push out the poor, tear down their homes, and make way for housing that the poor had no prayer in hell of ever affording.

    But what to do with the poor? Oh, we can lock them up for ten or twenty years!

    Oh yeah, that’s right…all the eeevil white corporatists are trying to do is lock up the black manand steal his burnt out, impoverished, gangster riddled land……jeeeeezus

    DJ, got a better solution?

    you sound just like the nanny statists and the welfare enslavers. Ohhhhh you eeeevil white corporatists, trying to buy up all the land in the hood to add to your profit. Maybe, just maybe….the neighborhood would be safer and a better environment for children if there were jobs available on those street corners that the drug pushers now own. Ditch THOSE bastards, and I don’t care for how long, clean out the gangsters….replace all of those shits with Wal-Marts or business parks or malls and you got jobs for those people. It’s not a land taking for Chrissakes, it’s an effort to bring prosperity to those places. Do you want to keep that land as it is? run down, with ramshackle houses and burnt out buildings? or do you want to make it a little shinier than it is, show the people who live there that we have confidence in them to make it on their own….

    do you have a better solution to the problem? I’m listening….

  18. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Jaybear
    I forget what city this was–might have been LA. Walmart plunked down a store in some horribly blighted inner city. Surprisingly it did well, and then other stores came in, and then the neighborhood improved. It was really encouraging. ( was 2-4 years ago)

  19. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Happens all the time PC.

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    #9 by DJ Allyn, Shitmouther Extraordinaire…

    Which is usually code for you not having a clue.

    NO, DJ, I’ve got more ‘clue’ than you do - for one thing, I’m not hopped up on drugs. For another, I’m able to stick to the facts at hand rather than handwaving.

    Actually, idiotstick, the update wasn’t there before.

    So you went back and changed your post, then get on my case for responding to what you wrote AT THE TIME - sort of like 1984, eh? Once again, you feel entitled to holding people to 20/20 hindsight.

    But even the update is a bit misleading. Here is another article (a little older though) that explains it better.

    You’re handwaving. I said nothing about whether the statistics were misleading, or whether other factors were left out. The issue was, you INTENTIONALLY MISREPRESENTED what the plan facts at hand were. And now you’re trying to distract and ‘nuance’ and counterattack your way out. Can’t you just admit you were mistaken because of your personal bias? Or is that too much like coming down off your pedestal and being one of us lowly normal humans?

    You can say that there are more blacks who drive silver cars than who are in prison if you want — and that too might be true. [Blah, blah, blah….]

    You’re handwaving again. See above. The issue has nothing to do with what the statistics *mean*, but the fact that *YOU LIED* about what they are *solely* to engage in race-baiting.

    But the cold, hard fact is that if you are a black male, you are more likely to go to prison than a white male.

    Strawman. At no point have I disputed that.

    Here is a figure you can’t get around:

    African Americans make up roughly 13 percent of the US population, and 41 percent of the prison population.

    Strawman again. At no point have I attempted to ‘get around’ that fact. The point is that you could make a very strong case without *LYING* in order to make things seem worse than they already are.

    Do you realize that the majority of inmates housed in any Low-Custody Federal Correctional Institution are illegals waiting for INS Court? They don’t show up on the Department of Justice’s statistics because they aren’t being held by the DOJ. Most are waiting up to five years just to get a hearing to be deported. That is how long the backlog is.

    Then it should be expedited, if for no other reason than to reduce the burden on our economy to feed and house those worthless louses.

    But in answer to your clueless question, the numbers of child rapists are not all that high. Sex offenders make up roughly 9 percent of the total prison population. Child molesters make up roughly 36 percent of that 9 percent, or slightly more than 3 percent of the total prison population.

    I was referring to the numerous cases in which judges have made a point of not incarcerating the kind of criminals it would be very easy to justify locking up for a loooong time. Do try to pay attention, please.

    But the point Einstein, is that prison sentences are artificially high for certain drug offenses, because that is the crime that the majority of people commit.

    And as someone who actually worked with the system has already indicated, the vast majority of people in prison for drug crimes have exacerbating factors such as violence or selling to minors. I know you’re not willing to admit it, but some people know more about reality than you do, DJ.

    I worship judges?

    You most certainly do, DJ. You have repeatedly invoked the decisions of courts as an infallible basis for deciding truth, beyond the authority of any mere mortal (or, God forbid, the facts) to question; unless of course in your superior judgment they must be wrong. In your view, OJ is innocent and Nicole must have sliced her own head off; while Scooter Libby is a worse criminal than Teddy Kennedy because he has a ‘felony conviction’ on his record.

    I mentioned that there is no one thing you can point to, didn’t I?

    But for some reason you only discuss racism and ‘the prison-industrial complex.’

    They do? There is no federal prison anywhere in Utah. There isn’t even a Federal Detention Center.

    Oh c’mon DJ, I’m supposed to be the over-literal one and even I know that was humorous puffery.

    Though quite frankly, a potato field in Utah sounds kind of peaceful..

    The second option is moving an inmate into a separate part of the prison with other participants and they are given intensive drug counseling based on subjective psychology methods, usually lasting 500 to 1000 hours over a 9 - 18 month time span. They are then given some time off of their incarceration — usually a year — and placed on a special supervision where they are required to have followup counselling once they are released.

    I dunno, if I were cynical I might think that that’s even more expensive than prison, almost like some government-industrial collusion to justify spending large amounts of taxpayer dollars to line the pockets of well-connected contributors. But they’re psychologists, drug companies, and Democrats - that could *never* be anything but entirly above-board, right?

    Explanation: An average year of work (50 weeks X 40 hours) is 2000 hours. A 500 hour program is 1/4 of a year for one counselor, who probably makes about $80,000 a year. That comes out to a minimum of $20,000 per year *minimum* per prisoner, er, ‘client;’ not counting all the other personnel needed to run the program, facilities, medications, etc. As a rule of thumb, you’d be looking at costs of at least $50,000 per head per year. Current cost for ‘regular’ prisoners is about $25,000 a year for everything; and DJ claims this is part of some conspiratorial ‘prisoner-industrial complex. The program *HE* likes is, of course, beyond suspicion and immune to corruption…]

    The last figures I read on such a program was the RDAP program for the feds. Recidivism dropped to about 3 percent for the first five years after release. Not bad, when you consider without RDAP the recidivism rate of an average 28 year old inmate was about 82 percent.

    I’ve got a crazy idea; why don’t we work a little harder to teach the little fuckheads to behave themselves in the first place?

    I know a lot of ex-cons, and most you wouldn’t even know them if they told you. Sure, you see a couple at a state fair, and you think they are all like that.

    Didn’t you just tell us the recidivism rate for your little darlings was 82% unless they get your magic nicey-nice program? I’d call that a significant risk.

  21. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    DJ

    Glad to see your comments, and it is my sincere hope that you are getting better, and out of hospital soon if not already… I do agree with DukeFenton’s comment about having to work harder to teach the young ones to behave, or take responsibility for their actions instead of waiting for some “feel-good” program that does NOTHING to change the rate of incarceration for these youngs. If I take your 82% rate of recidivism at face value, it becomes painfully obvious that whatever program the state throws at them is useless. It has to start at home, and this is where we run into major problems. Unwanted pregnancies, unknown or irresponsibles fathers, lack of care and attention. We have the city of Halifax here in the Maritimes with a very high percentage of black folks doing time for various crimes. Driving around town at any time will show you a bunch of black kids who should be in school milling around and, generally, getting in trouble. ACLPoo might offer more details about his part of Canada, but you get my point. How can this be addressed? We cannot keep blaming the “economic reality” or “social circumstances” for these numbers, but personal responsibility is lacking, from parents to children. Could it be that they do NOT want to better themselves and would rather stay recipients of government “programs” instead? Education is only working for those willing to receive it, and NO, I am not racist Sir, but numbers and facts remain, and it is very disturbing. Somewhere along the way, one must take a hold of one’s life and do something useful and rewarding, otherwise it becomes too tempting to just vegetate and wait for yet another program or government handout. I also like sig94 comments on the subject…

  22. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    From the US Bureau of Prisons:

    Use this address for in-person visits.
    CCM SALT LAKE CITY
    COMMUNITY CORRECTIONS OFFICE
    324 SOUTH STATE ST., STE 228
    SALT LAKE CITY, UT 84111
    Phone: 801-524-4212
    Fax: 801-524-3112
    E-mail address: CSL/CCM@BOP.GOV

    I don’t know what the inmate population is in this facility. I don’t know if they serve potatos either.

    I am also a little involved in programs for parolees. There are big issues in keeping them from re-offending:
    1) Keep them away from former acquaintances by providing housing away from their old haunts;
    2) Job training and education;
    3) Substance abuse treatment.

    You have to be careful with some of the programs offered by former convicts. But there is one guy, an ex con, I deal with who does an absolutely bang up job. He is merciless with cons, he expects them to achieve and they had better do it. I believe that the racism of low expectations is responsible for a great deal of evil. Respect these ex cons as men by making them accountable for their actions just like everyone else. They are not children.