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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Tom Harkin, Phony Soldier
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Oh, that widdle wascal Tom Harkin (D-Von Munchhausen) is already on the Smelly Harry bandwagon, lambasting that naughty Rush Limbaugh for mocking phony soldiers, saying that “maybe he [Rush - Emp.M.] was just high on his drugs again. I don’t know whether he was or not. If so, he ought to let us know. But that shouldn’t be an excuse.”

So tell us, Tommy, were you “high on your drugs again” when you were bragging about being an F-4/F-8 combat pilot in ‘Nam, er, flying combat sorties over Cuba, er, being a ferry pilot in Japan, flying clunkers from Atsugi to the P.I.?

Not that it would be an excuse, as you already pointed out, but we believe that the public needs to know.

Oh well, at least you weren’t on Sooper Sekrit hat-collecting missions to Cambodia in the Christmas of ‘68.

We TOLD you this was going to be funnier than a pack of rabid, AK-47 armed ferrets in a Berkeley U sorority house.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

141 Responses to “Tom Harkin, Phony Soldier”
  1. LC Beaker Comment by LC Beaker

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    What a tool. I remember this blowing up in his face when he defended John F’ing Kerry against the Swiftboat Vets. Why is it that the only Democrats who are “combat vets” always turn out to be less than they claim?

    No wonder the loved Jesse McBeth. He’s a kindred spirit to them.

  2. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    What a tool. I remember this blowing up in his face when he defended John F’ing Kerry against the Swiftboat Vets. Why is it that the only Democrats who are “combat vets” always turn out to be less than they claim?

    What I love even more, Beaker, is how blessedly oblivious they are to the fact that it is going to blow up in their dumb faces every farkin’ time they try to pull shit like this.

    The comedy value alone is PRICELESS!

    And Tom Harkin… Oh holy mother of G-d, is he a prize-winning clown or WHAT? He got burned by his lying in 84, then he got burned again when he decided, against better judgment, to not keep his gums glued together during the Fuckface Kerry days and now he’s doing it AGAIN!?

    Is anybody else thinking about Wile E. Coyote right now?

  3. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Dallas suburb holds nation’s highest illegal alien turn-in rate; Deportation hotline overwhelmed with supporters…

    Is this not near the heart of the Realm?

    with respect to Harkin…and all the rest…it’s just so pitiful, but they DO have the entire media supporting THEIR out of context angle

  4. M167A1 Comment by M167A1

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    Good grief, can they get any lower without using heavy earthmovers..

    No wait they like to lie in front of those… if only they would speed up the pace.

  5. LC ShadowFox Comment by LC ShadowFox

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    We may have hope yet for 2008 if they persist upon this campaign of non-stop Wellstone moments.

  6. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    This is an End-Run by the same ‘Tards who are making themselves the “Outrageous Leftist” spectacle in order to make Shrillary et al appear ‘moderate’. See: Jane Hamsher.

    Anything in order to dismiss their opponents preemptively as racists, warmongers, etc.

    You know the deal.

  7. maxxpig Comment by maxxpig

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    I don’t normally listen to Rush at work but I think I will today.

  8. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    I dunno, what a phony soldier is in my experience, but usually some fat ass bloated Marxist who claims to be a former Marine hero officer back in Nam, and then smears our troops as baby killers and rapists, comes to mind. There’s also some Ivy League pussy who trots around about the 3 Purple Hearts he got for tennis elbow, a skinned knee, and wrist fatigue from self-gratification, tosses said medals, but then digs em out for the election and free drinks at any bar. And there’s some former Marine, mind you, not all, but one who was a so-called weapons inspector who thinks we were out for genocide in Iraq, and he was a big ole pedophile.

    Jack Murtha, John Kerry, and Scott Ritter, all fakers, all phonies, and all no doubt part of the FUCK RUSH bandwagon, lynch mob.

    Oddly enough, no one is bothering to check the broadcast and records and find out that, Poor MacBeth wasn’t a solider worth assigning to latrine duty. Poor MacBeth, was a bloviating little pussy, who thinks he’s a military expert. Poor MacBeth is like that Forsake The Troops pervert, Crook or Cook, or whatever.

    I can tell you what a real soldier is…..

    They fight, they don’t demand free drinks, they don’t crow about heroics, and some of the heroes are buried in Arlington, in The Phillippines, in Normandy, and at sea, and anywhere else Americans fought and died to free a less than grateful world.

    You wanna watch a phony soldier, go watch that Valley of Elah and Lying With Lambs crap.

    You wanna watch real soldiers, go see Band of Brothers, Black Hawk Down, We Were Soldiers, Sergeant York, Saving Private Ryan, The Longest Day, or even Patton.

    To Rush, despite being really cozy with the GOP, keep up the fight man. Don’t give in an inch!

  9. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Now, THAT’s Bauer Power! Well said Sir! Disgusting when these “wannabe real men” all of a sudden become a legend in their own minds, and fake their “efforts in the service of their country” just so they can trample all over the real soldiers performing real duties.

    Not only do I hope this bullshit will keep blowing in their faces every time, but also that it shows them for what they are, lying, stinking turds :em72: They have no honour, never did, never will. :em38:

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    […] liar Sen. Tom Harkin is after Limbaugh now, but Misha has some obvious comebacks ready from the Senator’s, uhh, […]

  11. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    My wife worked for a decade an’ a half in the main mangos offices of a couple of major airlines.

    One of her most cherished true stories is the one where the fat bitchin ’slob who paid for coach mentioned he was a SEAL.
    One of the flight crew hear him, ’saw him, knew that no REAL SEAL would let themselves go to bloat like that, well, she figured he’d have something to talk about with some other certain passengers,,offered him a place in first class.

    After he got all compfy there, two REAL SEALS boarded and took nearby seats..

    I heard it was an icy flight!

    There’s stiff laws for attempting to steal services, material and courtesies while faking official status’s as in cops, troops, doctors,,

    Somebody need to get cuffed here.

  12. LC Beaker Comment by LC Beaker

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    I can tell you what a real soldier is…..

    They fight, they don’t demand free drinks, they don’t crow about heroics, and some of the heroes are buried in Arlington, in The Phillippines, in Normandy, and at sea, and anywhere else Americans fought and died to free a less than grateful world.

    True story time. When I was growing up, I spent as much time at my best friends house as my own. For a while, I was as much family as any of his brothers were. About 15 years later, his father passed, and it wasn’t until the day of the funeral that I discovered my best friends old man was a WWII vet. The full military honor guard at the cemetary was the give-away.

    He served in the Army and saw combat in the Pacific, and the whole time I knew him, he never mentioned it. Everytime Kerry or Murtha or the rest of our “heroes” trot out their “record,” I think of him.

  13. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Somebody need to get cuffed here.

    Around the temple area. With a wrecking ball.

  14. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Or instead of sitting out the war because of anal cysts, like Rush?

    Okay, like I warned last week when Congress decided to step out of bounds to condemn personal or public opinion, this just sets a precidence and escallates the silliness.

    BUT, like I indicated the other day, I would be just as against a resolution for what Rush said as I was with the MoveOn thing — for exactly the same reason.

    But I loved Rush’s ‘excuse’ though. The one particular soldier he was referring to was really and afterthought that barely got mentioned in passing minutes after he started the conversation. But he wasn’t the focus of the conversation.

    I have heard the entire conversation — in context. I have also heard what most of us on progressive radio has played (minus the reference to the one fake soldier later on) and either way it still comes out the same way.

    Should Rush be ‘condemned’ for his comments?

    Not just no, but FUCK NO. I said it before, and I will say it again: Our government or any of its three branches, should not have an official stance on anyone’s private or public opinion. If a Congress Critter or President has a personal stance, then that is allowed as a private citizen. If a group of them want to get together and have a stance, then they do so as a private citizen group. But they shouldn’t get together under the color of their office and put out a official stance of government that condemns any private citizen’s opinion.

  15. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    Is anybody else thinking about Wile E. Coyote right now?

    Wile E. always tried to at least improve on his plan. Doesn’t look like harkin wants to put that much effort into his.

  16. shermpotter Comment by shermpotter

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    All of the Dumbocrats are a bunch of sissified losers. It never ceases to amaze me how gullible many people are to believe the crap that they spew. My daddy was a UAW lifer but he at least had the common sense to vote for the person and not for the party. And as far as Rush-bo goes, who cares how much of the show was about the one guy? There’s alot more phony soldiers out there than Mac-Dumbass.

  17. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Or instead of sitting out the war because of anal cysts, like Rush?

    And if the military disqualified him, should he have pitched a fit and INSISTED???

    If the military disqualifies you, you DON’T GO. Period.

    Edit: I find it amusing that the libs always assume that if a person doesn’t serve, they were cowards, or got deferments, or whatever. Some people are simply disqualified for whatever reason.

  18. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Should Rush be ‘condemned’ for his comments?

    Not just no, but FUCK NO. I said it before, and I will say it again: Our government or any of its three branches, should not have an official stance on anyone’s private or public opinion.

    I can certainly agree with you there DJ. Once again our “Gubmint” is showing itself perfectly comfortable with overstepping their boundaries and chipping away at our Bill Of Rights without so much as an “Excuse me”. If they are going to get their panties in a wad over this, then they damn well better also do it for those dumbass remarks Murtha made against the Marines. If not…STFU!

  19. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    Oh, alright Dave.

    That man does a lot for the troops…this is coming from family in the military, not because I listen to him…I don’t. I have heard from family with first hand experience and knowing what their brothers in arms think about those who support them. And he WAS talking about the Jesse Macbeth LIAR. And he doesn’t LIE about not serving. And at the very least, he doesn’t FABRICATE his past.

  20. Unregistered Comment by big dufus

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    Jesse MacBeth-

    “Out, damned spot!”

    What a blot. :em72:

    Harkin’s asininity is read into the Congressional Record for all time.

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    The strange thing is that there is nothing dishonorable about Senator Harkins’ service. He went in and did his job. Why lie about it?

    DJ, I disagree with you about Rush. He will go on rants and only give the full particulars about what he is ranting about at the end, it is the reason I stopped listening to him years ago.

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    The slap-down has begun … :em58: :em41:

  23. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    What really gets me about this whole thing is, nobody is focusing on the fact that ARMY RANGER JESSIE McBETH KILLER OF ALL PEACEFUL MUSLIMS only got 5 months jail time for what I would claim is TREASON.

  24. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    What really gets me about this whole thing is, nobody is focusing on the fact that ARMY RANGER JESSIE McBETH KILLER OF ALL PEACEFUL MUSLIMS only got 5 months jail time for what I would claim is TREASON.

    HIstory, if looking back correctly will have people scratching their heads asking why resolutions were made about a private citizen instead of looking into the problems of these fake soldiers. The New Republic and the msm were victims of two clowns and Rush was correct in how he dealt with them. Minimal punishment and no legislature by Congress to condemn such soldiers for LYING. That is the story that will slip by.

  25. chuck Comment by chuck

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    But I loved Rush’s ‘excuse’ though. The one particular soldier he was referring to was really and afterthought that barely got mentioned in passing minutes after he started the conversation. But he wasn’t the focus of the conversation.

    I have heard the entire conversation — in context. I have also heard what most of us on progressive radio has played (minus the reference to the one fake soldier later on) and either way it still comes out the same way.

    Apparently you can’t listen with comprehension any better than you read for comprehension.

  26. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi

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    …anal wart.

    And you would be the expert on assholes, heh?
    Then it is your opinion that Limbaugh is a liar and a fraud? A right wing spin doctor that has a hidden agenda?
    It behooves me to hear your personal character attack first on someone who will not be able to respond to it or, are you trying to set the mood?
    Demean me some, Deej. You know me just as well. Or, better yet, dismiss me as nothing more than an irritant to the discussion.
    You wouldn’t be the first.
    I, however, will wait to see if the mealy-mouthed congress critters are able to bail themselves out of the mess they made with the Petraeous add.
    They are running out of toes to shoot at and The Emperor is right. This shit is funny.

  27. LC Mike in Chi Comment by LC Mike in Chi

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    :em93:

  28. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And if the military disqualified him, should he have pitched a fit and INSISTED???

    If the military disqualifies you, you DON’T GO. Period.

    Do you honestly think that Rush was going to pitch a bitch after bringing up the topic of his butt pimple in the first place? He actively used it to get out of having to serve — just like Dick Cheney, who had “other things to do with his time”.

    Edit: I find it amusing that the libs always assume that if a person doesn’t serve, they were cowards, or got deferments, or whatever. Some people are simply disqualified for whatever reason.

    I find it interesting that the biggest proponents pushing for war are those who never fought in one.

    If they are going to get their panties in a wad over this, then they damn well better also do it for those dumbass remarks Murtha made against the Marines.

    And Murtha is entitled to his opinion as well, just as many people here have trashed HIS military history.

    The question is, once you start this bad habit of official condemnation, where do you end? How much are you going to be ‘outraged’ over someone’s comments or actions? And how long before Congress turns its meally-eyed sights towards you?

    People laughed at me when I said the other day that what Congress did in the MoveOn condemnation could eventually effect free speech. The one action alone is not enough, but to set precidence and make it a habit to do it every time someone says something considered ‘edgy’ or ‘outrageous’, you eventually will have a chilling effect on people speaking out at all. Before long, we will have a governmental agency devoted to people or organizations who dare to speak out of turn or not follow an accepted guideline of thought.

    Politics is rough, and its players have this tendency to play tit-for-tat. It is all about who can score more points against the ‘other side’.

    That man does a lot for the troops

    What does he do for the troops?

    I have heard from family with first hand experience and knowing what their brothers in arms think about those who support them.

    Support them how? Because he makes noises about ’supporting the troops’? He puts a yellow magnetic ribbon on the back of his limo? What is it he does?

    And he WAS talking about the Jesse Macbeth LIAR.

    I dunno. Like I said, I listened to the entire segment, not just the quick soundbytes played on most of the progressive shows. (We played the entire segment ourselves)

    He mentioned Jesse Macbeth several minutes AFTER the original context of the conversation.

    Here is what started the whole thing going with a call from “Mike in Chicago”, a self-described Republican, who states he served in the military:

    LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

    CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?

    LIMBAUGH: I’m fine sir, thank you.

    CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?

    LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don’t want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can’t think of — who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?

    CALLER 1: I’m just — I’m not talking about the senators. I’m talking about the general public — like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but —

    LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can’t handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I’m not also hitting Republicans? I don’t know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.

    CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I’ve listened to you for a long time, and you’re right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don’t think it’s winnable. And I’m not a Democrat, but I just — sometimes you’ve got to cut the losses.

    LIMBAUGH: Well, you — you –

    CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you’re wrong.

    LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I’m not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have —

    CALLER 1: Oh, I’m not saying that. I’m not saying anything like that, but, you know –

    LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.

    CALLER 1: No, I’m not.

    LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is — the truth is the truth, Mike.

    CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country –

    LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.

    […]

    CALLER 1: How long is it gonna — how long do you think we’re going to have to be there for them to take care of that?

    LIMBAUGH: Mike –

    CALLER 1: How long — you know — what is it?

    LIMBAUGH: Mike –

    CALLER 1: What is it?

    LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can’t possibly be a Republican.

    He questions Mikes political affiliation because the guy no longer supports an ongoing perpetual war in Iraq? Classy. But it gets better:

    CALLER 1: I am.

    LIMBAUGH: You are — you are –

    CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

    LIMBAUGH: You can’t be a Republican. You are –

    CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

    LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, ’cause you sound just like a Democrat.

    CALLER 1: No, but –

    LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question –

    CALLER 1: — seriously, how long do we have to stay there –

    LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!

    CALLER 1: — to win it? How long?

    LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.

    CALLER 1: And that is what?

    LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long — just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.

    CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever –

    LIMBAUGH: I — it won’t –

    CALLER 1: — because that’s what it’ll take.

    LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike — I’m sorry. I’m confusing you with the guy from Texas.

    CALLER 1: See, I — I’ve used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

    LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

    CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but –

    LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

    CALLER 1: — you know, really — I want you to be saying how long it’s gonna take.

    LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon! [Emphasis mine]

    THIS is where Rush decided that this guy was phoney, because in his mind, no person who ever served in the military could possibly question this war in Iraq. So Rush dismisses this guy’s claim of military service and then ridicules it by making an impossible claim for comparison. It is a classic stategy of Rush, which has been copied by others since: If a military person dares to speak something other than the official one, then attack their service.

    Here are some more of “Rush’s Phoney Soldiers”

    • In August of 2005 Rush said that Democratic congressional candidate Paul Hackett was “another liberal Democrat trying to hide behind a military uniform” and accused him of going to Iraq “to pad the resumé.”
    • Rush calls Chuck Hagel, a decorated war vet (and Republican) Senator Betrayus a full nine months before MoveOn uses the same name for General Petraeus.

    I am sure there are LOTS more, but you get the drift. Let’s get on with the transcript, shall we?

    CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

    LIMBAUGH: You’re not listening to what I say. You can’t possibly be a Republican. I’m answering every question. That’s not what you want to hear, so it’s not even penetrating your little wall of armor you’ve got built up.

    Actually, it is something that RUSH doesn’t want to hear — from someone who says he is a Republican AND a veteran.

    And here comes the conversation from Mike from Olympia:

    LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.

    CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.

    LIMBAUGH: You bet.

    CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I’ve been serving for 14 years, very proudly.

    LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.

    CALLER 2: And, you know, I’m one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I’m proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull — what these people don’t understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that’s over there, it’d take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we’d have to go right back over there within a year or so. And –

    LIMBAUGH: There’s a lot more than that that they don’t understand. They can’t even — if — the next guy that calls here, I’m gonna ask him: Why should we pull — what is the imperative for pulling out? What’s in it for the United States to pull out? They can’t — I don’t think they have an answer for that other than, “Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.”

    CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what –

    LIMBAUGH: “Save the — keep the troops safe” or whatever. I — it’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

    CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

    LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

    CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.

    LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined —

    CALLER 2: A lot of them — the new kids, yeah.

    LIMBAUGH: Well, you –

    Now this is where Rush would like you to think that he jumped right into the Jesse MacBeth story as context for his “Phoney Soldier” context. The fact is, he conveniently edited the transcript and recording of 1:35 minutes to make it appear he went right to the Jesse MacBeth reference and that was what he was talking about all along.

    Here is the 1:35 minute gap:

    LIMBAUGH: — know where you’re going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you’re going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

    CALLER 2: Exactly, sir. And, and my other comment was — and the reason I was calling for — was to report to Jill about the fact that we didn’t, didn’t find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that [inaudible] been using against us for awhile now.

    I’ve done two tours in Iraq. I just got back in June and there were many instances of — since [inaudible] not know what they’re using in their IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. They’re using mustard artillery rounds. The VX artillery rounds in their IEDs.

    Because they didn’t know what they were using, they didn’t do it right, and so it just kind of — it, it didn’t really hurt anybody but there are — those munitions are over there, it’s just — it’s a huge desert. If they’ve buried it somewhere, we’re never gonna find it.

    LIMBAUGH: Well, you know, that’s a moot point for me right now –

    MIKE: Rush —

    LIMBAUGH: — the weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We’re, we’re there. What — who cares if, if — we all know they were there and, and Mahmoud [Ahmadinejad, Iranian president] even admitted it in one of his speeches here about — talkin’ about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people — but that, that’s moot, right? What, what’s more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working.

    And all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and, and your colleagues over there is, is a great threat to them.

    He then picks up the conversation from the edit, to make it appear he was seemlessly talking about Jesse MacBeth:

    LIMBAUGH: It’s just, it’s frustrating and maddening, and it is why they must be kept in the minority.

    Look, I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. I gotta — let me see — got something — here is a “Morning Update” that we did recently talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. And they have their celebrities.

    One of them was Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a “corporal,” I say in quotes — 23 years old.

    Since most people don’t record these shows or make transcripts of them, they don’t notice when someone comes along later and edits out certain things in such a way to manipulate how it sounds. So when something like this becomes a controversy, people like Rush can come out and say “no, it is all wrong!” and people like you suck it up — because Rush can never lie. Nope, no sirree, never.

    This is why Media Matters really infuriates people like Rush and especially Bill O’Reilly. They have the actual recordings, and they use them in context for everyone to see.

    Hey, I see that Goldwater/Miller ‘08 just launched. :em99: Maybe they will have a chance this time?

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    no objective person, of sound mind, can doubt Rush’s support of the troops. to assert otherwise is to ignore the body of his work over his entire career.

    ’nuff said.

  30. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Do you honestly think that Rush was going to pitch a bitch after bringing up the topic of his butt pimple in the first place?

    Read my lips, Dave…the MILITARY disqualified him. THEY made the decision. THEY decide who to take and who NOT to take. You are being disingenuous here.

    I find it interesting that the biggest proponents pushing for war are those who never fought in one.

    Well, excuse us (some of us) for not having been born early enough ‘for Nam and too late for Korea. Too bad that I couldn’t trot myself off to ‘Nam, but there was this obstacle called “growing up” that got in my way. I find it interesting how many of you who are criticizing the war have NEVER served in the military, yet consider yourselves experts.

  31. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Before long, we will have a governmental agency devoted to people or organizations who dare to speak out of turn or not follow an accepted guideline of thought.

    And people thought George Orwell was way off base…

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    So long as the lib’s are spewing invectives n’ snot, spinning his quotes, convulsing in indignant agony instead of screwin’ with my future, working on their whacky legislation,, I’d be honored to light his cigar.

  33. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Well, if Boortz is correct about Media Matters being started by Hillary Clinton, the “context” is extremely suspect.

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    Isn’t the “Phoney Soldier/Pilot” also a plagiarist? Wasn’t he the paragon of virtue that was caught lifting wholesale lots of commentary from Tony Blair speeches when last he ran for President?

    I guess if you’re a member of the Party of Treason, you can say any lie and pay for it.

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    Yep,Bortz is right I just heard the audio of Her Thighness bragging at a meeting last August about her founding of Media Matters.And how it will help her and her cronies in the next election.

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    DJ Allyn, As far as Cheney goes, we never drafted married men with children. even in WW2 they were never drafted.
    Proggressive?? that is a fancy word for a socialist pig!

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    they don’t notice when someone comes along later and edits out certain things in such a way to manipulate how it sounds

    All that was edited out (according to what you posted) was an off topic mention of WMDs. The edit in no way changed the simple meaning of the statements made. Again, reading for comprehension, DJ. Look it up.

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    Before long, we will have a governmental agency devoted to people or organizations who dare to speak out of turn or not follow an accepted guideline of thought.

    we already had it, it was called attorney general janet reno

  39. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Before long, we will have a governmental agency devoted to people or organizations who dare to speak out of turn or not follow an accepted guideline of thought.

    And notice, if you will, that it’s happening at the hands of the “party of free speech and tolerance.”

  40. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Dave:

    If all we are gonna hear from you are the Media Matters / Hillary / George Soros talking points, could you at least get a new record player? The needle is rusty, the platter is warped and the speakers are starting to emit a high pitched screeching whine that just irritates the hell out of my ears.

    I DID listen to the conversations. Live. Then I listened to the replays.

    Then I had the dubious pleasure to have forced upon me the “edits” from the leftist losers.

    There is no attack on real soldiers anywhere. “Caller 1″ was another whining liberal seminar caller, which is obvious to anyone who actually listens, instead of filtering it through liberal rage.

    There was indeed an attack on Jessie McBeth. The Lean, Green Baby Killin’ machine that was thrown out of the Army before he finished Basic for being a fuckwit.

    Do you have any idea how ate up one has to be to not graduate from Basic?

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    And Murtha is entitled to his opinion as well, just as many people here have trashed HIS military history.

    Murtha declared Marines accused (and acquitted) of murdering civilians guilty without waiting for a trial verdict. That is plain ol’ slander.

    Exactly who trashed his military service?

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    And so the spinning goes against ole Rush. So he isn’t in the military, does that exclude his right to speak? Apparently to some folks here, it does. It’s like Jack Murtha’s retarded response when a journalist dared ask him why he slandered troops before their verdict was in. Murtha’s response- ‘Duhhh, you didn’t serve. I was a colonel! You don’t talk to me. Go away….’ Hey Murtha, DJ, Mussolini and Hitler were both infrantrymen before their twisted paths to power, yet they somehow screwed up their countries, destroyed and eviscerated what part of their armies the Allies did not, and still their opinion would be just as entitled, wouldn’t it?

    Dick Cheney having better stuff to do? That’s college, you goober. So, since my dad went to college, but wasn’t a hippie or protestor, does that make him unable to talk about military matters? Or even give his opinion? So, everyone who served can talk, only, huh Allyn? Only if they’re Democrats, is what you might as well have said.

    Rush does more for troops in charities and donations, than Harry Reid or Murthaf-cker did with their whole careers. And what was Murtha’s record? Did he serve DC and Hanoi at the same time? How about Harry Reid? Was he some Vegas ambulance chaser or protestor? Let’s go into their records also.

    Sheesh.

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    Bauerpower,

    So, everyone who served can talk, only, huh Allyn?

    No, only if they served in combat.

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    Well, excuse us (some of us) for not having been born early enough ‘for Nam and too late for Korea. Too bad that I couldn’t trot myself off to ‘Nam, but there was this obstacle called “growing up” that got in my way.

    And so, what is your excuse for not joining now? They’ve raised the eligibility age limit to 42, lowered the criteria for medical (Rush’s butt pimple would get him in right now) and are even allowing some felons to join. Surely some of the people here who “regrettfully missed serving in Vietnam” can now ‘gitcher war on’ by joining the military.

    I find it interesting how many of you who are criticizing the war have NEVER served in the military, yet consider yourselves experts.

    You’re right, I never served in the US military. But I damn well know what war is, and can distinguish between a necessary war and a war for profit.

    And people thought George Orwell was way off base…

    Read the Patriot Act lately?

    So long as the lib’s are spewing invectives n’ snot, spinning his quotes, convulsing in indignant agony instead of screwin’ with my future, working on their whacky legislation,, I’d be honored to light his cigar. [Emphasis mine]

    Spinning his quotes? :em99: I posted his entire fucking conversation in that segment — in exact order — and you consider that ’spinning’? Sorry, CS, the only spinning is where Rush was caught cutting out 1:35 minutes of that segment to make it appear he was talking about Jesse MacBeth, instead smearing yet another soldier among the many he has smeared in the past who he doesn’t agree with.

    We have a pattern here, whether you see it or not. If a candidate or military person comes forward to speak out against this war, he or she is severely attacked by those of you on the Right who claim to “support the troops”. Somehow, their military service was “flawed”, or “insignificant”. They must have faked their injuries, or were awarded medals by mistake or fraud. Maybe they suffered self-inflicted injuries (as Max Clelland was accused of) or they were “padding their resume” as Rush claimed on Paul Hacket.

    I didn’t get to hear how the Right went after the eight who wrote the opinion piece in the NYT. I am guessing that they were “phoney soldiers” also.

    Yep,Bortz is right I just heard the audio of Her Thighness bragging at a meeting last August about her founding of Media Matters.And how it will help her and her cronies in the next election.

    She can bray all she wants about ‘founding’ Media Matters, (although I suspect her comments were taken out of context) but the FACT is, David Brock founded Media Matters and Hilary doesn’t show up anywhere in the list of those currently or previously involved with Media Matters.

    Now I don’t doubt that there are some connections between Hillary and members of Media Matters. There is a former press secretary, Brock wrote a puff-book on her, and I am sure there are probably some other cozy relationships.

    But they do come up with some bullet-proof audio and research, regardless of who is behind them — at least much better than the Conservative Counterpart which doesn’t offer much in the way of proof, just spin. (It isn’t so because we say it isn’t so.)

    All that was edited out (according to what you posted) was an off topic mention of WMDs. The edit in no way changed the simple meaning of the statements made. Again, reading for comprehension, DJ. Look it up.

    Ah, but it still goes to context. Rush never was talking about Jesse MacBeth. I know it doesn’t mean as much looking at the transcript, where you only get a portion of the conversation, the fact is, that edited part took up another one minute and thirty-five seconds of a six minute segment before the conversation ended with Mike from Olympia, AND THEN he started talking about Jesse MacBeth.

    There is nothing wrong with my comprehension. It is you who seems to be a bit challenged.

    Let me make it simple for you to understand.

    1. Rush has talks to a caller named Mike from Chicago, who states that he is a Republican and happened to serve in the military;
    2. Rush ridicules this caller for both his claims of being a Republican and a vet
    3. Rush then takes a call from Mike in Olympia who says the only phoney or fake soldiers are against the war in Iraq.
    4. He goes on to talk about how wrong the left is, and how there HAS to be WMD buried in Iraq, yadda yadda…
    5. Rush doesn’t want to go on about WMD, and thanks Mike for his call and hangs up — THEN starts talking about Jesse MacBeth

    Does it come out a little clearer for you now? A minute thirty-five after the comment concerning “phoney soldier” (a full quarter of the segment) and then ending the conversation by hanging up BEFORE Jesse MacBeth was even mentioned by name? Rush edited out that 1:35 to make it look like he seamlessly transitioned from his phoney comment directly into talking about Jesse MacBeth. You are choosing not to see it.

    If all we are gonna hear from you are the Media Matters / Hillary / George Soros talking points,

    I was wondering how long it would take before someone mentioned George Soros. Amazingly, I have never talked to the man, and I know he certainly hasn’t put out nearly as much money into a political movement as Richard Mellon Scaife. In fact, barely a fraction.

    I have had the opportunity to talk to Hillary only twice in my life — both times in the past year, and only briefly. Politics never came up, and the conversation lasted less than twenty seconds each time, since I was only telling her that she was up next after commercial. Sorry, that was the extent.

    I have talked to several of the people at Media Matters over the past eighteen months. I am even on first name basis with Bernie Sanders, who we do a weekly segment with on Fridays.

    I don’t need talking points, and the last I looked, there really aren’t any talking points on the left. But I do get the talking points from the Right every day in my email. I know what the Right-wing Noise machine is going to talk about every day, because everyone gets the same fax and emails. I get them because I used to work for a local Conservative station and my subscription has followed me.

    There is no attack on real soldiers anywhere. “Caller 1″ was another whining liberal seminar caller, which is obvious to anyone who actually listens, instead of filtering it through liberal rage.

    Are you making the assumption he wasn’t what he says he was? Is the litmus test set that whenever someone says something Rush doesn’t agree with, he has to be one of his “seminar callers”, and therefore is obviously a “phoney”?

    There was indeed an attack on Jessie McBeth. The Lean, Green Baby Killin’ machine that was thrown out of the Army before he finished Basic for being a fuckwit.

    And when did that “attack” happen? Why, it happened AFTER the phone calls from both Mikes were over.

    Dick Cheney having better stuff to do? That’s college, you goober. So, since my dad went to college, but wasn’t a hippie or protestor, does that make him unable to talk about military matters? Or even give his opinion? So, everyone who served can talk, only, huh Allyn? Only if they’re Democrats, is what you might as well have said.

    Your dad isn’t sending someone else’s son to fight a war, is he? I was making the observation that the biggest cheerleaders in this war are those who ‘found other things to do’ instead of fighting in a war themselves.

    And why aren’t YOU in Iraq right now?

    Rush does more for troops in charities and donations, than Harry Reid or Murthaf-cker did with their whole careers.

    He does? They don’t? And you know that how?

    And what was Murtha’s record? Did he serve DC and Hanoi at the same time?

    Would you quit making my point? You just made a reference to this man’s military career by calling it into question. Should I call Congress to tell them to set up a vote for condemnation? Shame on you! :em99:

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    But I damn well know what war is, and can distinguish between a necessary war and a war for profit.

    So do I. If the President is a Democrat, then war is necessary. If the President is Republican then war is for profit (whatever that goofy shit is supposed to mean.)

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    You’re right, I never served in the US military. But I damn well know what war is, and can distinguish between a necessary war and a war for profit.

    So when do you plan on looking to see which is which? Yes, the war Israel had shoved down it’s throat in 1967 was a real and necessary war.

    So is this one. You and the rest of the leftists just won’t admit it. Radical Islam has been at war with us since at least 1968 (arguably since 1948).

    Are the Democrats gonna give another one away? Yer damn sure trying to.

    Dave, all that kool aid has way too much sugar.

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    Your dad isn’t sending someone else’s son to fight a war, is he? I was making the observation that the biggest cheerleaders in this war are those who ‘found other things to do’ instead of fighting in a war themselves.

    Vietnam was a Democrat war, but you seem to be fine with that. Oh wait, it got more protests when Nixon was in office.

    Sorry if other things to do includes college and working and starting a family, you condescending dick!

    And why aren’t YOU in Iraq right now?

    Oh that old line, how quaint. Well, I have a job. I wouldn’t pass the physical. Take your pick. Or how about it’s a voluntary army and despite your nitpicking some of us are a tad more supportive than your devils advocating. Get a life, jackleg.

    He does? They don’t? And you know that how?

    Go look it up yourself. You’re keen on facts, look it up, I’m tired of supplying others facts that they’ll skew. I’d rather they get the wrong crap and let us skewer it for em.

    Would you quit making my point? You just made a reference to this man’s military career by calling it into question. Should I call Congress to tell them to set up a vote for condemnation?

    Oy, someone hasn’t drank the Kool Aid. They’re having it introveneously sent to their brain. Yeah I will slam his career, since he’s a fat ole traitor railroading troops, who are being acquitted.

    Jeez-us.

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    Proving his point? That what, not everyone is in the army? Not everyone is cut out for it, but we unabashedly support those who are? Or proving another point, you could care less, and seem to demean those that do care. Pardon us for not walking over a minefield with you, oh brave brave Allyn. Pardon us for not parachuting in with Harry Reid and his paratroopers of the Pink Berets. And Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, for besmirching poor ole fat Murthaf-er and insulting his tour in the Red Banner Sea Fleet Marines, oops, he said he was USMC.

    And what the hell is so wrong about supporting our troops? Rush didn’t serve, that I know of, but his rights are nullified? Typical response of the Karl Marx Kool Aid infusers.

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    And so, what is your excuse for not joining now? They’ve raised the eligibility age limit to 42, lowered the criteria for medical (Rush’s butt pimple would get him in right now) and are even allowing some felons to join

    My excuse NOW is that I am WELL past the enlistment age, and I very likely would not pass the physical, AND I am not a felon (nor do I play one on television).

    I support our troops, just as I support our VOLUNTEER firefighters and our police officers, but I have NO intention of becoming either one.

    And, before you ask, I encouraged my son to join up. He refused. It was his choice. My daughter, however, I did not encourage. I don’t approve of sending our daughters off to war.

    It’s VOLUNTEER for a reason, Dave.

  50. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    And so, what is your excuse for not joining now? They’ve raised the eligibility age limit to 42, lowered the criteria for medical (Rush’s butt pimple would get him in right now) and are even allowing some felons to join

    How mature. And what’s your excuse, Allyn? Someone went from being Mr. So Called voice of Moderate Reason, to Turd at light speed. Someone’s buttons got pressed.

    Why don’t you join then? Or do you only believe in a war if a Democrat or liberal declares it?

    Two face.

  51. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    BauerPower
    By the way, the initial war in Afghanistan to hunt down the terrorists was widely supported by Democrats as a laudible cause greatly in our interest.

    Gee–haven’t you noticed something about DJ with frequent hospital stays? military compatible?

    By the way, don’t know if you ever got my post that James Yee was found innocent of all charges and received an honorable discharge. So you can drop the “Islamaturd” comments about the West Point graduate who fought in the first Gulf War.

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    Rush then takes a call from Mike in Olympia who says the only phoney or fake soldiers are against the war in Iraq.
    He goes on to talk about how wrong the left is, and how there HAS to be WMD buried in Iraq, yadda yadda…
    Rush doesn’t want to go on about WMD, and thanks Mike for his call and hangs up — THEN starts talking about Jesse MacBeth

    Yes took a call. Caller made two points. Rush took second point first. Blew it off. That part edited out. Not relevant in any way. Addressed first point - phony soldiers opposed to the war - by discussing Jesse MacBeth. Keep proving my point. Reading comprehension - it is a wonderful thing.

  53. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    Hang down your head, Tom Harkin
    hang down your head and cry
    wanted to be a war hero
    came up with a big fat lie

    Said he’s a Phantom driver
    got time in a Crusader too
    splashed some MiGs over Haiphong
    and bombed the Cong at Pleiku

    Hang down your head, Tom Harkin
    hang down your head and cry
    truth is, you’ve never been there
    Poor boy, your life’s a lie

  54. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    Charges were dropped on OJ, Psycho chick, so that says nothing. Michael Jackson was found not guilty. Courts aren’t always right.

  55. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    By the way, the initial war in Afghanistan to hunt down the terrorists was widely supported by Democrats as a laudible cause greatly in our interest.

    They also supported regime change in Iraq, that is until Dubya put words into actions.

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    DJ bullshits again:

    Okay, like I warned last week when Congress decided to step out of bounds to condemn personal or public opinion, this just sets a precidence and escallates the silliness.

    ‘precedent’
    ‘escalates’

    There you go, ruining a perfectly cogent point with two glaring errors. Fer Crissakes, you were nice enough to install a spell checker, did you ever think of using it?

    People laughed at me when I said the other day that what Congress did in the MoveOn condemnation could eventually effect free speech.

    ‘affect’

    I’m laughing at you because you still pretend to be so much smarter than everyone else; while making the same simple usage errors time after time. :em99:

    The one action alone is not enough, but to set precidence

    And I’m laughing at you because you repeated the same stupid spelling error despite having a spell checker which you installed. :em99:

    Do you honestly think that Rush was going to pitch a bitch after bringing up the topic of his butt pimple in the first place?

    I don’t know if he ‘brought it up’ and neither do you; as usual, you arrogantly pretend to know something you don’t. It doesn’t matter because it would have been found at the physical; they are *quite* thorough, as anyone who has had an Army PE will tell you.

    He actively used it to get out of having to serve —

    Again, you don’t know that, and pretending that you do is arrogant and presumptuous of you. It doesn’t matter because it was (and still is) an absolute bar to service. There would be no way of obtaining any other result even if he wanted to.

    And so, what is your excuse for not joining now? They’ve raised the eligibility age limit to 42, lowered the criteria for medical (Rush’s butt pimple would get him in right now)

    DJ, do you *EVER* check your facts before shooting off your fucking mouth? If you weren’t so interested in finding ways to use ‘butt’ and ‘ass’ in regard to Rush’s condition - because that makes you look soooo clever (NOT) - you would know the proper technical term. A pilonidal cyst is a mild form of the same defect that creates spina bifida, and it is STILL an absolute bar to service. How do I know this? *BECAUSE I ACTUALLY READ THE FUCKING MANUAL!!!*

    And yes, I checked the updated edition; being that I also have a chronic condition which bars service, or I’d happily be in uniform now. Some of us would rather face the enemy than sit here and listen to you cheering for them. :em96:

  57. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    So do I. If the President is a Democrat, then war is necessary. If the President is Republican then war is for profit (whatever that goofy shit is supposed to mean.)

    Both Kennedy and Johnson were Democrats and THAT war was wrong. Bill Clinton was wrong, and the Boy Blunder is wrong.

    THIS particular action in Iraq IS a war for profit. There are a LOT of Bush people making a fortune off of it. We have spent a half-trillion dollars so far, and most of it is going to line the pockets of a handful of corporations. YOU do the math. I know you don’t want to see it, you may even gloss over this uncomfortable fact.

    So is this one. You and the rest of the leftists just won’t admit it. Radical Islam has been at war with us since at least 1968 (arguably since 1948).

    Horse Pussy. There has always been some splinter group or another ‘at war’ with us for one thing or another for a very long time. Most of it was rhetoric and not taken all that seriously. The war was against us in their land, not against us in our land. They could care less about us as long as we were out of THEIR land or out of THEIR affairs.

    It can also be argued that the only reason they became “radicalized” was because we didn’t listen to them when the told us to get the fuck out of their land and their affairs.

    Vietnam was a Democrat war, but you seem to be fine with that. Oh wait, it got more protests when Nixon was in office.

    It got a LOT of protest during LBJ too. It was the main reason he chose not to run for re-election. But yes, people expanded the protest during Nixon, because he was hired because he had a “plan to end the war”. He then promptly expanded it, and people didn’t want that.

    Sorry if other things to do includes college and working and starting a family, you condescending dick!

    But what about Duty™, and all that golldarn Patriotism™? You know, Our Country, Right or Wrong™.

    People were getting their asses drafted to go to a war they didn’t want any part of. But if you had money to hide out in college, that was acceptable. It sounds to me that your dad really didn’t approve of the war either — or at least his participating in it. But hey, it kept him out of another unnecessary war, and that is a plus.

    Oh that old line, how quaint. Well, I have a job. I wouldn’t pass the physical. Take your pick. Or how about it’s a voluntary army and despite your nitpicking some of us are a tad more supportive than your devils advocating.

    Supportive how? Just mouthing the words is hardly support. Come volunteer at a Vets group. Adopt a serviceman’s family for support. Give ten percent of your annual salary to veteran’s or service member support groups. Do you do any of that?

    Go look it up yourself. You’re keen on facts, look it up, I’m tired of supplying others facts that they’ll skew. I’d rather they get the wrong crap and let us skewer it for em.

    Translation: You don’t know, you are only guessing.

    I’ll give you a hint: He has given about 40k for ceramic heaters and air conditioners. But most of his charities are local Florida charities.

    See? I already knew the answer. I just wanted to see if you did.

    Yeah I will slam his career, since he’s a fat ole traitor railroading troops, who are being acquitted.

    This had what to do with his military career?

    He made his comments based on information given to him at the time. How many times have you made statements like this right here at this site only to find out that you were way off base? And does any of this make him a traitor?

    Proving his point? That what, not everyone is in the army? Not everyone is cut out for it, but we unabashedly support those who are? Or proving another point, you could care less, and seem to demean those that do care. Pardon us for not walking over a minefield with you, oh brave brave Allyn. Pardon us for not parachuting in with Harry Reid and his paratroopers of the Pink Berets. And Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, for besmirching poor ole fat Murthaf-er and insulting his tour in the Red Banner Sea Fleet Marines, oops, he said he was USMC.

    Hyperventilate much? Try breathing in a paper bag.

    And what the hell is so wrong about supporting our troops? Rush didn’t serve, that I know of, but his rights are nullified? Typical response of the Karl Marx Kool Aid infusers.

    Why, nothing at all. I simply made the observation that it seems that the most eager to send us off into war are those who didn’t, wouldn’t, or couldn’t serve, that’s all. You got all excited over that.

    And, before you ask, I encouraged my son to join up. He refused. It was his choice. My daughter, however, I did not encourage. I don’t approve of sending our daughters off to war.

    And why would you encourage anyone to join? Shouldn’t that originate from them? And what difference does it make if a girl goes off to war?

    Look, don’t get me wrong, if someone chooses to join up, great. I am not against the soldiers in this war, I am against the policy that sent them. That is something that most of you have trouble separating. You can’t accept the fact that you can be against the policy of a war and still support the troops. You also buy into the faulty idea that if you disagree with our government or its policy makers then you are somehow “traitors”.

    How mature. And what’s your excuse, Allyn? Someone went from being Mr. So Called voice of Moderate Reason, to Turd at light speed. Someone’s buttons got pressed.

    Could be the drugs I am taking. The pain management people think it is funny that I am constantly on this rollercoaster of attitudes.

    Why don’t you join then?

    Well, let’s see, I am in my mid-fifties, and oh yeah, I just recently parted ways with a rib and a kidney. (I have a funeral for them on Friday — the wife-unit’s idea)

    And did I mention that I don’t approve of this war, nor am I going to be a cheerleader for it? Does it make any sense to volunteer for something I don’t approve of?

    That is why I asked you. I figured that since you were so excited about it, you could at least participate in it.

    Or do you only believe in a war if a Democrat or liberal declares it?

    Two face.

    I refer you back to the top of this comment.

    Wrong is wrong, no matter who it is, or what party affiliation they are. Even with all of these drugs on the Six Flags of La-La Land, I have always be very consistent with that.

  58. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Jumpin’ Jiminy Crisco! DJ’s done gone off the deep end and reached the Singularity of Stoopidity™ on this one. There’s so much Sooper Stoopid™ in his laughably lame-brained Randi Rhodes-mimeographed talking points that it’s not even worth trying to take apart.

    “Chickenhawks!” (While conveniently forgetting about Slick Willie.), “War For Profit!” (While nearly every Donk in Congress has stocks of GE, Halliburton, Boeing, Lockheed/Martin, et al.), “Hyperventilating Over Non-existant Sleights” (Have you heard from any actual, you know, non-retarded-Donk vets DEMANDING an apology?),… And the hit list goes on.

    And yes, Dave, I just happened to be listening to the segment live. (I don’t listen to much radio at work.) The one point, and only point, he was making was against the MacBeth’s of the Left. It was tied in to the same point that he’d made on more than one occasion in the not-too-distant past. If you’d actually listen to his show once in a while, instead of getting your brain fried by sniffing the Sooper Stoopid Glue™ wafting from LefTardian Loser Lamentations™, 24/7, you wouldn’t be making such an idiot of yourself by squawking and acting like Al “Boys & Girls Clubs’ Sugar Daddy” Franken’s retarded, soybean-eating parrot.

    BTW, ya’ might wanna use that napkin. Ya’ got a wicked KoolAid® mustache going there.

  59. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    It was the main reason he chose not to run for re-election. But yes, people expanded the protest during Nixon, because he was hired because he had a “plan to end the war”. He then promptly expanded it, and people didn’t want that.

    And the crybaby hippies couldn’t see that the plan to end the war was to WIN THE MOTHERFUCKER!. Notice any similarity to the cowards, hippies, crybabies, communists and anti-war pissants we have now?

    No, the first answer for a coward is preemptive surrender.

    People were getting their asses drafted to go to a war they didn’t want any part of. But if you had money to hide out in college, that was acceptable.

    So was hiding in Israel, apparently.

  60. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #28 by DJ Allyn, who demonstrates why one should occasionally check on facts:

    What does he do for the troops?

    Support them how? Because he makes noises about ’supporting the troops’? He puts a yellow magnetic ribbon on the back of his limo? What is it he does?

    I dunno - he visits them in the field, for one thing. He’s highlighted the poor pay that service members and their families get compared to civilians and Congress. And then there’s the millions of dollars of his own money he’s donated, and millions more raised, for organizations which benefit service members.

    What have *you* done DJ?

  61. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    And why would you encourage anyone to join? Shouldn’t that originate from them? And what difference does it make if a girl goes off to war?

    I encouraged my son to join up because I believe that military service is important…regardless of war or peacetime. Every generation of my family since WWI has served, and proudly, I might add. I wanted him to follow that tradition. That he chose not to doesn’t bother me, however.

    And, to me, it makes a difference if our girls go off to war. Most girls don’t have the stamina/build/strength for it. We’ve seen what the enemy does to the men…I don’t especially care to know that our girls are probably being tortured AND raped…maybe that’s fine with you, and the other liberals calling for women in combat.

    Surprisingly, even now in the 21st century, I still hear from military guys that women have no place being in the service, let alone combat.

  62. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    YOU do the math. I know you don’t want to see it, you may even gloss over this uncomfortable fact.

    Then back up this uncomfortable ‘fact’ with some uncomfortable figures please.

  63. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    “Chickenhawks!” (While conveniently forgetting about Slick Willie.),

    Did I? Nope, I mentioned him in the first sentence of my last comment.

    “War For Profit!” (While nearly every Donk in Congress has stocks of GE, Halliburton, Boeing, Lockheed/Martin, et al.),

    And again, it doesn’t change the fact that this particular war is a war for profit. Notice that I never said the Congressional democrats had the high ground in this? They are part of the problem, and it is one of the reasons why Congress has the approval rating just slightly higher than that of a child molester.

    “Hyperventilating Over Non-existant Sleights” (Have you heard from any actual, you know, non-retarded-Donk vets DEMANDING an apology?),… And the hit list goes on.

    Did you miss the part where I said that all of this was a colosal waste of time?

    If you’d actually listen to his show once in a while, instead of getting your brain fried by sniffing the Sooper Stoopid Glue™ wafting from LefTardian Loser Lamentations™, 24/7, you wouldn’t be making such an idiot of yourself by squawking and acting like Al “Boys & Girls Clubs’ Sugar Daddy” Franken’s retarded, soybean-eating parrot.

    Funny, I would have to dumb down to listen to him. Besides, we are on the air at exactly the same time (and beating his ass-pimple in several markets, btw.)

    In case you hadn’t heard, Al Franken is no longer with AAR, and hasn’t been for several months.

    The one point, and only point, he was making was against the MacBeth’s of the Left. It was tied in to the same point that he’d made on more than one occasion in the not-too-distant past.

    I have the transcript (not edited by Rush) and the actual audio (again, not edited by Rush) and it wasn’t the point he was making. You may have only zoned in at the very last moment when he actually mentioned Jesse MacBeth, but there were five whole minutes prior to that where he didn’t even tie the two together.

    And the crybaby hippies couldn’t see that the plan to end the war was to WIN THE MOTHERFUCKER!.

    There was no winning that ‘motherfucker’. There wasn’t even a reason to be fighting it. The country went communist, and is doing alright for itself now.

    We just postponed the enivitable, and in the process wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people.

    So was hiding in Israel, apparently.

    I had principles. I fought for something I believed in, not something that nobody believed in.

    I dunno - he visits them in the field, for one thing.

    He did that once, didn’t he? Franken has done it several times — I know, I went with him twice.

    And then there’s the millions of dollars of his own money he’s donated, and millions more raised, for organizations which benefit service members.

    Yes, the millions to “Cure-a-thon for the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. There is also his former wife’s “charity” called the Sunrise Foundation where they donated almost $600k in 2003 to people “in need” in the Florida area.

    But the only thing we’ve found that comes close to donations “the military” is about $40k worth of heaters and air conditioners.

    What have *you* done DJ?

    What I have been doing since the FIRST Gulf War. I gave you a hint, along with an invitation:

    Supportive how? Just mouthing the words is hardly support. Come volunteer at a Vets group. Adopt a serviceman’s family for support. Give ten percent of your annual salary to veteran’s or service member support groups. Do you do any of that?

    I’m sure I have mentioned this before on this site. I put in about thirty hours a month volunteering for at The Fisher House.

    I haven’t been able to do much for the past two weeks due to my own medical issues, but I will be back in full swing within another couple of weeks.

    On that note, I must beg you all good night. I have a fist full of drugs to gag down, and they are going to make me sleepy.

  64. Unregistered Comment by Getalis

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    Anal cysts or no, Limbaugh wouldn’t have been drafted anyway: his birthday (January 12th) was always assigned a number higher than that which was ultimately called upon.

    (To wit, 221/195, 152/125 and 228/95.)

    ~~~

    Now that that’s been dealt with, has anyone yet figured out why liberals thought was okay to support the war in Afghanistan without having served in it?

  65. Unregistered Comment by rstephens

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    DJ, you would make about as much sense with your fist full of drugs as you have been, and then at least you would have an excuse.

  66. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Funny, I would have to dumb down to listen to him.

    You still haven’t shown us your Harvard & Yale degrees, Dr. Dumbfuck. I’d not be talking if I were you.

    Besides, we are on the air at exactly the same time (and beating his ass-pimple in several markets, btw.)

    Right. And Air America’s gonna be a force RealSoonNow™.

  67. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    There was no winning that ‘motherfucker’. There wasn’t even a reason to be fighting it. The country went communist, and is doing alright for itself now.

    We just postponed the enivitable, and in the process wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people.

    OK Deej, that steaming pile of shit did it. That war was very winnable, in fact we had won it on the field of battle, and could have won it at home also except for fifth column fucking traitors!

    Postponed the inevitable! Bullshit! A communist victory was never inevitable, in fact it was a fucking colossal cluster fuck of gottdamned traitors here that even made it a remote possibility.

    Killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process? Give us some credit, we killed 3 million enemy combatants by their own fucking count. Now if yer talking civvies, why don’t ya ask the boat people who held the record in that regard. A couple million aren’t available for comment though.

    I had principles. I fought for something I believed in, not something that nobody believed in.

    Fuck you Deej. Lay that pile of bull shit on some Viet Vets I know, they’ll shove it right down yer throat. I hate to bust yer little self-righteous bubble, but most grunts in Viet Nam were volunteers, not draftees. A lot of people believed in that fight, and a lot of them died for it, only to betrayed by spineless, back stabbing, communist wannabee sympathizers like your pals.

  68. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    I had principles.

    where did they go?

  69. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Ooh Chris, that is gonna leave a mark.

  70. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    They can’t sell any ads on Err America so they sell ad hominems

  71. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    did Defends Jihad ever respond to the revelation that Media Matters and entities like it are creations of Rodham Clinton and her machine?

    Is it proper and objective for Dem Cong and their allies in the media to rely on that source when fishing for things to attack Limbaugh with?

  72. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    How does Rush Limbaugh support the troops?

    HOUSE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING LIMBAUGH
    Mon Oct 01 2007 15:16:57 ET

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES OCTOBER 1, 2007

    Mr. KINGSTON submitted the following resolution

    RESOLUTION

    Commending Rush Hudson Limbaugh III for his ongoing public support of American troops serving both here and abroad. Recognizing Mr. Limbaugh for his relentless efforts to build and maintain troop morale through worldwide radio broadcasts and personal visits to conflict regions.

    Whereas the need to show support for American troops serving and fighting both here and abroad during a time of global conflict has never been greater, with the need to communicate an uplifting message of encouragement to American soldiers eternally important, in addition to the morale-boosting value of personal visits to region by highly-regarded individuals;

    Whereas daily radio broadcasts reaching tens of millions of civilians and soldiers both in America and abroad by way of the Armed Forces Radio Network are conducted five days a week by Rush Hudson Limbaugh III;

    Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has consistently used his broadcast time to praise American troops and support them during their ongoing efforts to secure peace in a troubled world;

    Whereas Mr. Limbaugh made a week-long visit to meet with troops based in Afghanistan in 2004;

    Whereas Mr. Limbaugh has raised and donated millions of dollars to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation, which provides college scholarships to the children of Marines and veterans of other branches killed in action;

    Whereas Mr. Limbaugh’s website features an “Adopt a Soldier” program which provides them with free subscription access to his online program features;

    Whereas during the original invasion in 2003, pilots of five different aircraft flew an American flag in Mr. Limbaugh’s honor during their bombing and refueling runs; and

    Whereas Mr. Limbaugh’s commitment to American troops serving both here and abroad remains as strong as ever: Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That the House of Representatives—

    (1) recognizes Rush Hudson Limbaugh III for his support of the Marine Corp Law Enforcement Foundation and for providing free subscriptions for active-duty servicemembers;

    (2) recognizes Mr Limbaugh’s desire to see American troops achieve a successful outcome in Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever soldiers are stationed; and

    (3) commends Mr. Limbaugh’s tireless public support for American troops and their families through radio broadcasts, fundraising and other public support.

  73. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    and what was the fate of said resolution JanetMae?

    Crunchie, did you hear me on Savage Nation today?

  74. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Since DJ keeps ragging on Rush about a “butt pimple,” here’s what WebMD has to say about a pilondial cyst:

    http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/pilondial-cyst

    For those of you with weak stomaches (Sorry, forgot where I was for a second)…here’s a picture of the “butt pimple”: (They are, of course, different sizes):

    http://tinyurl.com/2zzl9t

    and for those of you like b.c.,(especially) a more graphic image:
    http://tinyurl.com/ytmgxt

  75. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Oh Lord..

  76. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    Thanks Janny for posting that. The troops I know talk about this type of support and I know my family and friends over there discuss how they feel supported to and listened to by Rush and have issues with assholes like Reid and Murtha.

    But its alright, there is too much to brush under the carpet. Seriously, like the “fairness” of the NYT’s ad rate for the MoreOns and invoking an investigation into Mrs. Hillary-Cankles-Clinton’s fundraisers. Who would want to bet the most “ethical” Congress evah would be all over a GOP candidate for the shit that has gone on in her campaign?

  77. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    I think Liberal Larry sums up the Progressyve position on this Rush Limbaugh affair very succinctly - and with a plethora of supporting links too.

    Rush Limbaugh’s Anal Cysts Attack Our Idiot Troops

    Let me preface this post by reminding everyone that Rush Limbaugh has anal cysts, and he is therefore prohibited by law from having any opinion on the war that contradicts my own. So while I’m a strong believer in a First Amendment right to Free Speech tempered with a Democrat-crafted Doctrine of Fairness, I was so outraged by Fatty Pillpopper’s verbal assault on our babykilling troops that I canceled the weekly flag-burning rally at Camp Larry to voice my anger over his remarks.

  78. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Getalis
    There are and have been liberals in the army–they keep a low profile because of their political beliefs. votevet.org (com?) sponsors liberal vets for congress. You will hate this video. I don’t necessarily agree with the war analysis, but he does have the right to say it. Here is one of Rush’s “phony soldiers”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKM_NsTswco

    Christopher
    WTF? NOBODY on this board supports jihadists–neither DJ nor I. There are honest differences of opinion on how to best win the war.

    I’m not sure who founded mediamatters. Hillary? Soros? As long as it wasn’t founded by Satan, I don’t really care. It provides good intellectual analysis. You won’t believe it because it’s liberal. Well, I don’t believe most of the random web sites I am directed to and try to find the original source. OK, there have been some awesome links, and I have been enlighted to Michael Yon and Bill Whittle. But nobody believe’s anybody’s sources if they are from the wrong side of the aisle, except that I am occasionally converted on an issue.

    Mike M
    I think it’s hilarious–it’s mostly parody. Don’t go summing up anybody’s position over a couple of silly paragraphs. Speaking of random web pages, as I was.

    Staci
    Didn’t the NYT end up giving the same rate to the Giuliana campaign? There was something about being willing to wait for available days, I think.

  79. Unregistered Comment by LC Neokien

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    We TOLD you this was going to be funnier than a pack of rabid, AK-47 armed ferrets in a Berkeley U sorority house.

    Oddly enough, ferrets aren’t legal in California. Go figure.

  80. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ *LIES* yet again:

    But the only thing we’ve found that comes close to donations “the military” is about $40k worth of heaters and air conditioners.

    Who’s ‘we’ - you and you bedbugs? Millions of dollars to a scholarship fund for the children of fallen service members, and you ‘can’t find’ it!? More like you’re lying because the truth is just too…inconvenient.

    Even $40K is more than you ever have or ever will contribute to anyone except your own condescending ego. The only contribution you could make at this point is to be a human shield against the next terrorist attack; thanks to people like you, that opportunity should come pretty soon.

  81. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    SkyeChild:

    Eeeeeewwwww!

  82. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    There was no winning that ‘motherfucker’. There wasn’t even a reason to be fighting it. The country went communist, and is doing alright for itself now.

    We just postponed the enivitable, and in the process wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people.

    Not only were we winning that war, we had won it until yer hippie friends gave it away in a fit of rage that they couldn’t put Nixon in jail. Had Congress not renegged on all the treaties THEY APPROVED, there would never have been a fall of Siagon, and you would have been denied the disgusting videos from the rooftop of the U.S. Embassy. You and your friends threw away 58 thousand Soldiers lives. Just to make a political point.

    You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    I had principles. I fought for something I believed in, not something that nobody believed in.

    Funny. If I had been more than 12 at the time, I would have been there as well. Happens I did go to more than a couple of “little adventures” myself. I believed in all of them, and the leftist slime cried about every one.

    And I’d go again if they would allow me the honor of doing so. Old Warhorses never stop wanting to run to the sound of the guns.

    On that note, I must beg you all good night. I have a fist full of drugs to gag down, and they are going to make me sleepy.

    Try washing them down with something besides the kool-aid. That much sugar cannot be good for you.

  83. p51driver Comment by p51driver

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    Here is the way I see it, I spent 22 years in the military (Air Force) In the 70’s,80’s and 90’s all I heard from the lefties and libs was that myself and others in the military were not good enough or smart enough(you cant be to intelligent to learn how to fly a jet or maintain a 25 million dollar weapon system!) to hold a job and thats why we joined the service. there was no protest when we went into the Balkins or Haiti and other excursions in the 1990’s.
    Now we hear how “concerned”and “supportive” the left is toward our troops, what a crock!
    The left does not give a crap about casualties in any conflict or peace time. They only shed crocidile tears and show sympathy when it helps their politics and pushes their warped agendas.
    Rush has shown more real support and admiration toward the military than all these leftie jerk offs combined.

  84. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    I can’t believe this much time has been spent trying to defend Tom Harkin, and more time spent trying to prove a dubious argument Harkin and company made as stupid. :em98:

    Liberalism, it is a mental disorder.

  85. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    pyschochick

    Didn’t the NYT end up giving the same rate to the Giuliana campaign? There was something about being willing to wait for available days, I think.

    Was he offered it? Wasn’t there a LOT of back and forth and were there not even people, like editors, that worked for the NYT crying foul on the rate the Moveon.org was given? Do you honestly believe that if he didn’t put up a fight that he would have gotten the same rate? And how mighty convienient that that special rate meant the date it ran was timed to correspond when Petraeus was speaking. MoveonoutofAmerica.org was given the date they asked for.

    Look, I know you post here a lot over the past year and the NYT being the biggest liberal rag is not a pink elephant in the room that people here don’t realize. There are tons of fisks from Misha dissecting this. The bias is obvious.

  86. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    You still haven’t shown us your Harvard & Yale degrees, Dr. Dumbfuck. I’d not be talking if I were you.

    You show me yours and I’ll show you mine? :em99:

    Besides, having letters from either university doesn’t make a person intelligent: I offer George Bush as an example. Now there is proof they could pass a ham sandwich.

    Nope, I never went to either school. I probably could have, I just never tried. Nor did I have a father who was an alumni to grease the skids for me. I settled for a couple of schools outside of the Ivy League.

    Right. And Air America’s gonna be a force RealSoonNow™.

    AAR is doing quite well right now actually. New ownership and management and a much more realistic business model. They are out of bankruptcy, and are just starting to show a slight profit, which isn’t bad for a company under three years old. They got smart and got out of the show-ownership business, so they have a much lower overhead. They don’t have to pay high salaries to high profile hosts because each show is owned and operated individually and syndicated now.

    Are there still problems? Sure, but there are problems in any business. All I know is that we have some really great shows, and there are two other Progressive networks that have sprouted up in the past year with their own products for syndication.

    Air America and the other two have some catch-up to do, but they don’t really have that far to go, given the fact that the road was paved by people like Rush years earlier.

    But face it, we have a message that a lot of people want to hear. From an business/advertising standpoint, Progressives buy cars, toilet paper, mortgages, and soap just like Conservatives. There is no shortage of advertisers out there willing to buy radio spots to reach that demographic.

    But I know, you would rather listen to Brian Baloney, an out of work radio talk show host who last worked two and a half years ago for eight months before he was pulled off the air due to pathetic ratings. Now he picks up bits and pieces from O’Reilly, Malkin, and anyone else who will pay for his ‘expertise’ of the industry.

    OK Deej, that steaming pile of shit did it. That war was very winnable, in fact we had won it on the field of battle, and could have won it at home also except for fifth column fucking traitors!

    And we’d still be there now, killing off every last person over there before we had a victory?

    Look, it is a unified communist country now. We have normalized relations with Vietnam, and they are a trading partner. The world didn’t fall apart because of it, and frankly, we had abso-fucking-lutley no business inserting ourselves into their business.

    They went communist — so fucking what? They are doing alright for themselves, and many of those “boat people” made out pretty well for themselves too.

    Who’s ‘we’ - you and you bedbugs? Millions of dollars to a scholarship fund for the children of fallen service members, and you ‘can’t find’ it!? More like you’re lying because the truth is just too…inconvenient.

    Do you know how easy it is to track charitable donations? The lists are public information, and because El Rushbo is such a high profile person, people keep an eye open for any information on his charitable donations.

    As far as the “we”, I work in a business that researches everything. We have six researchers full time on our staff, and that is all they do is look up and keep track of information. They are very good at what they do.

    Even $40K is more than you ever have or ever will contribute to anyone except your own condescending ego.

    Yep, aside from the ten percent of my salary every year since 1990, and the many hours I volunteer, I haven’t contributed anything.

    Damn, you got me — I do it for my ego.

    Not only were we winning that war, we had won it until yer hippie friends gave it away in a fit of rage that they couldn’t put Nixon in jail. Had Congress not renegged on all the treaties THEY APPROVED, there would never have been a fall of Siagon, and you would have been denied the disgusting videos from the rooftop of the U.S. Embassy. You and your friends threw away 58 thousand Soldiers lives. Just to make a political point.

    I had hippie friends? You do realize that most of the ‘hippies’ became today’s Conservative, don’t you?

    Actually, our meddling policies in Vietnam threw away 58 thousand soldiers — because we had no fucking business over there. It was none of our stinkin’ business! We were just scared that Communism was going to take over the world, and we weren’t going to allow it to spread any further across Asia.

    Communism works in agricultural countries. It doesn’t work so well in industrial countries — as China will discover as it becomes more industrialized.

    Was he offered it? Wasn’t there a LOT of back and forth and were there not even people, like editors, that worked for the NYT crying foul on the rate the Moveon.org was given? Do you honestly believe that if he didn’t put up a fight that he would have gotten the same rate?

    The difference, Staci, is that MoveOn was a regular customer, and Gulliani wasn’t. MoveOn never asked for special pricing — they just got it, and had gotten similar pricing on previous ads, so they didn’t even notice. MoveOn has since paid the difference, even though they weren’t asked to. Gulliani chose not to pay the difference.

  87. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    You show me yours and I’ll show you mine?

    Typical tactic of the too-clever-by-half fuckheads: Double entendres.

    I’m not the one questioning the intelligence of the President of the United States. I’m not the one insinuating that I’m smarter than Rush Limbaugh, despite being a mere board-op.

    You’ve been called on your intellectual bullshit, Dave, and you’ve been found to be severely wanting.

    Besides, having letters from either university doesn’t make a person intelligent: I offer George Bush as an example. Now there is proof they could pass a ham sandwich.

    He’s got them - you don’t. You’re not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

    Nope, I never went to either school. I probably could have, I just never tried.

    Yes, the drugs do make one delusional, don’t they?

    Nor did I have a father who was an alumni to grease the skids for me. I settled for a couple of schools outside of the Ivy League.

    Again, he’s got the sheepskins - you don’t. You have zero room to talk, Dr. Dumbfuck.

    AAR is doing quite well right now actually. New ownership and management and a much more realistic business model.

    “Pweeeeeze, somebody, buy our Girl Scout Cookies!!!!!”

    But face it, we have a message that a lot of people want to hear. From an business/advertising standpoint, Progressives buy cars, toilet paper, mortgages, and soap just like Conservatives.

    Toilet paper? Soap? Coulda fooled me.

    Do you know how easy it is to track charitable donations?

    Apparently you people can’t - you seem to have overlooked the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation that JanetMae cited above.

    They went communist — so fucking what?

    Whyn’t you ask that of the 100,000,000 Communism killed in the last century, fuckhead?

    I’d almost pay real money to see you say that to N@’s face. I doubt there’d be much left of your ass once she got through with you.

    I had hippie friends? You do realize that most of the ‘hippies’ became today’s Conservative, don’t you?

    Proof, or just more bullshit pulled out of your ass?

    Actually, our meddling policies in Vietnam threw away 58 thousand soldiers — because we had no fucking business over there. It was none of our stinkin’ business!

    Oh, so you prefer to have people under dictatorial rule, then?

    And you claim to be intelligent?

  88. JanetMae Comment by JanetMae

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    I just donated here:
    http://www.mc-lef.org/

    I invite everyone to do so.

    I dedicated it to, “Jackhammer.”

  89. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I’m not the one insinuating that I’m smarter than Rush Limbaugh, despite being a mere board-op.

    First, I never said I was smarter or dumber than Rush Limbaugh — just smarter than his targeted audience of ‘ditto heads’. I don’t need someone to interpret things for me like his ‘ditto heads’. “Advanced Conservative Studies“? More like fat angry middle-aged bald white guy studies.

    There is no denying that Rush found a gold mine and has been digging ever since. He pretty much rescued the AM radio waves from extinction — or at least postponed its extinction for the time being.

    He found an audience who had no direction, was frustrated with their life, and needed someone or something to blame for their perceived inadequacies.

    You all talk about BDS? Well, you people have been suffering from LDS for about twenty years now.

    Second, where did you get the idea that I was a board op? (not that there is anything wrong with board ops, I have done my share of it over the years) No, I am an Executive Producer.

    You’ve been called on your intellectual bullshit, Dave, and you’ve been found to be severely wanting.

    Because YOU’VE proclaimed it as such? :em99: Stop it, I have stitches that are threatening to burst.

    He’s got them - you don’t. You’re not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

    You measure intelligence by whether a person has a degree and from which school? Wow.

    While I didn’t go to Harvard, Yale, or even Oxford, I do hold two Bachelor degrees, and a Masters degree. It doesn’t make me any more or less intelligent than you, but probably better educated.

    For that matter, Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar to Oxford, and while he is pretty damn intelligent, he did a lot of bonehead things.

    Apparently you people can’t - you seem to have overlooked the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation that JanetMae cited above.

    I listed the $40K amount because it was the largest found — and that was for 2003 Frankly, I was looking for those $millions, and the bulk of the money goes towards domestic charities. Of course Independent Charities of America does hide exactly where the money goes — perhaps a lot of that does go to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation.

    Whyn’t you ask that of the 100,000,000 Communism killed in the last century, fuckhead?

    And Whyn’t is it any of our business? Besides, Vietnam didn’t kill off 100 million people. They killed off 2 million that they considered to be collaborators to the US during the brutal war we fought against them.

    I’d almost pay real money to see you say that to N@’s face. I doubt there’d be much left of your ass once she got through with you.

    Who? And I HAVE talked to many Vietnamese about this very thing — they tend to share the same opinion. Some don’t, but hey, a lot do.

    Oh, so you prefer to have people under dictatorial rule, then?

    It appears to be working just fine for them now, doesn’t it? Here is a clue for you: Vietnam — THEIR country. THEY get to decide what their system and form of government is.

    Whadda concept.

    And you claim to be intelligent?

    Intelligent enough, apparently.

    I just donated here:
    http://www.mc-lef.org/

    I invite everyone to do so.

    Good on you! Personally I donate to The Fisher House and a couple of other places, but that’s me.

  90. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    I just donated here:
    http://www.mc-lef.org/

    I invite everyone to do so.

    JanetMae: Thanks for the invitation - and I accepted.

  91. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    DJ

    Is it just me, or do you have a bullseye tattooed on your forehead..? Seems you’ve been taking flak from all sides! But then again, we all seem to be passionate folks on certain “dear-to-heart” subjects.
    I actually admire your staying power in all this, even though there are a lot of things you covered I do not agree with. Keeps these posts entertaining, to say the least! Thank you DJ and you all, it makes this Canuck’s day much more interesting when I read each and every comment. Wow! :em69:

  92. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    OK before this gets into too personal a battle of wills between subjects in the Empire, let’s at least pick apart a few points of this BS letter from Harry Sac Reid….

    October 2, 2007

    Mr. Mark P. Mays
    CEO, Clear Channel Communications Inc.
    200 East Basse Road
    San Antonio, TX 78209

    Dear Mr. Mays,

    At the time we sign this letter, 3,808 American soldiers have been killed in Iraq, and another 28,009 have been wounded. 160,000 others awoke this morning on foreign sand, far from home, to face the danger and uncertainty of another day at war.

    What no mention of the porr wittle teworwists who’ve been killed by our fine personnel? Trying to tug at the heartstrings while himself being a back stabber of General Petraes and threatening to cut funds for outr troops, funds for little things like body armor, ammo, helmets, plates to reinforce APCS and Humvees….

    Let’s go one…

    Although Americans of goodwill debate the merits of this war, we can all agree that those who serve with such great courage deserve our deepest respect and gratitude. That is why Rush Limbaugh’s recent characterization of troops who oppose the war as “phony soldiers” is such an outrage.

    This from the moron who didn’t have the guts to slap down Dick Durbin for his death squads comparisons. This from the same bespectacled Himmler wannabe who is apparently overlooking the fact that MacBeth was the reference of his diatribe, a man who fake service records, and said he was in Iraq and Afghanistan, but was really discharged months before 9/11….. Strike one Harry Sac.

    Our troops are fighting and dying to bring to others the freedoms that many take for granted. It is unconscionable that Mr. Limbaugh would criticize them for exercising the fundamentally American right to free speech. Mr. Limbaugh has made outrageous remarks before, but this affront to our soldiers is beyond the pale.

    Beyond the pale? Still not a peep about Murtha’s murderers comments or even Durbins BS. How about your own insults to General Betray-us, aka Petraeus. You still didn’t condemn MoveOn.org for their slander….

    Hypocrite.

    The military, like any community within the United States, includes members both for and against the war. Senior generals, such as General John Batiste and Paul Eaton, have come out against the war while others have publicly supported it. A December 2006 poll conducted by the Military Times found just 35 percent of service members approved of President Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq, compared to 42 percent who disapproved. From this figure alone, it is clear that Mr. Limbaugh’s insult is directed at thousands of American service members.

    35 percent disapproval may be expressed for him allowing you and your snakes to politicize the war, expand the BS rules of engagement that add targets for the ISlamists and headstones at Arlington. Those generals are mostly formal? Aren’t they? and how many generals disapproved of FDR’s handling in WWII? Truman in Korea? LBJ in Nam? Or how about the Black Hawk Down debacle that was on this day 14 years ago?

    Harry would like to sound like Rush is slamming everyone who disagrees. I doubt that’s the case. Rush is slamming fakers and convenient critics like MacBeth, Scott Ritter, and others who wore the uniform, took the oath, but are now willing to weaken our troops missions with their words.

    Treason would be good to describe the phonies in the soldiering department right? But not if they’re Democrats, Harry….

    Active and retired members of our armed forces have a unique perspective on the war and offer a valuable contribution to our national debate. In August, seven soldiers wrote an op-ed expressing their concern with the current strategy in Iraq. Tragically, since then, two of those seven soldiers have made the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq.

    Thousands of active troops and veterans were subjected to Mr. Limbaugh’s unpatriotic and indefensible comments on your broadcast. We trust you will agree that not a single one of our sons, daughters, neighbors and friends serving overseas is a “phony soldier.” We call on you to publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice and to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his comments.

    Blah blah blah blah, says Senator Double Down from the Great State of Legalized Prostitution…..

    Sincerely,

    Senator Harry Reid, Majority Leader

    Not much longer if you keep up at this rate, Harry.

    Senator Richard Durbin, Assistant Majority Leader
    Senator Charles Schumer, Vice Chairman, Democratic Conference
    Senator Patty Murray, Secretary, Democratic Conference
    Senator Daniel Akaka
    Senator Max Baucus
    Senator Joseph Biden
    Senator Barbara Boxer
    Senator Sherrod Brown
    Senator Robert Byrd
    Senator Benjamin Cardin
    Senator Tom Carper
    Senator Bob Casey
    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
    Senator Kent Conrad
    Senator Christopher Dodd
    Senator Byron Dorgan
    Senator Dianne Feinstein
    Senator Tom Harkin
    Senator Daniel Inouye
    Senator Edward M. Kennedy
    Senator John Kerry
    Senator Amy Klobuchar
    Senator Mary Landrieu
    Senator Frank Lautenberg
    Senator Patrick Leahy
    Senator Carl Levin
    Senator Blanche Lincoln
    Senator Bob Menendez
    Senator Barbara Mikulski
    Senator Bill Nelson
    Senator Barack Obama
    Senator Jack Reed
    Senator Jay Rockefeller
    Senator Ken Salazar
    Senator Bernie Sanders
    Senator Debbie Stabenow
    Senator Jon Tester
    Senator Jim Webb
    Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
    Senator Ron Wyden

    The ones highlighted in this block portion are all Presidential Candidates, and all of em seem to support some fakers, but not the real troops. Also, lets see who of them had the guts to strike down the MoveOn.org ad slandering General Petraeus. Almost none. And aside from Bernie Sanders, all the Demcorats marched in perfect lockstep, or goosestep. This is a preview of the new order when or if the Democrats get the Presidency. Here’s a good game, which of these cosigners actually served in the military?

    Aside from Dumbass Jim Webb, Daniel Inyoue, and maybe a few others, none of the major candidates appeared to have served even with the national guard? Who trusts a few former war protestors like Hitlery and mealy mouths like Obama and Biden (he was old enough to fight in Nam, wasn’t he?), to lead our troops when times are dire?

    I do not.

    That’s enough of Reid’s bantering. Plus, I bet Mischa could eviscerate this rectal grub better than I could. So, sire, others, fire away.

    And anyone who dares defend Casino Senator, go ahead.

  93. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    The difference, Staci, is that MoveOn was a regular customer, and Gulliani wasn’t. MoveOn never asked for special pricing — they just got it, and had gotten similar pricing on previous ads, so they didn’t even notice. MoveOn has since paid the difference, even though they weren’t asked to. Gulliani chose not to pay the difference.

    BULLSHIT and you know it. Calling some friends here that work for the main papers here in South Florida today, and I was told that most of the time they would even give discounts to a certain company if they signed an annual contract committing to pay for so many ads. But even that would not explain the extent of this groups ad price. Shoot, my company committs to advertising with publications on an annual basis because of the discount. But you can bet your bottom dollar it doesn’t save us 2/3 off the regular price.

    There is way too much documentation out there crying foul on this to top it off. Even a major EDITOR from the NYT’s was disturbed by this. This was reported on CNN, no less!

    Just skip around how and why Gulliani got their rate though. It’s convenient to ignore.

  94. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    It won’t matter, ole Fred Thompson is gonna take Guiliani in the primaries and I imagine, the Presidency.

    is that MoveOn was a regular customer, and Gulliani wasn’t. MoveOn never asked for special pricing — they just got it, and had gotten similar pricing on previous ads, so they didn’t even notice. MoveOn has since paid the difference, even though they weren’t asked to. Gulliani chose not to pay the difference.

    Whoa! I cry
    BS alertAlert!

    MoveOn got a discount for Crissakes! Sheesh, get your head out of the ground or whatever beasts oriface you seem to affixed to! Sheesh.

    I agree Stacie. Sheesh.

  95. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Staci
    Just for the record
    1) I was utterly appalled by the MoveOn ad
    2) It was suspicious that it came out the day it did, but I was curious about the Guliani rate
    3) I’ve only been here since May. Sorry it has seemed like so much longer.

  96. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ sez:

    First, I never said I was smarter or dumber than Rush Limbaugh — just smarter than his targeted audience of ‘ditto heads’. I don’t need someone to interpret things for me like his ‘ditto heads’. “Advanced Conservative Studies“? More like fat angry middle-aged bald white guy studies.

    your prejudices are showing my friend, way to stereotype 10 million+ people.

    And Whyn’t is it any of our business? Besides, Vietnam didn’t kill off 100 million people. They killed off 2 million that they considered to be collaborators to the US during the brutal war we fought against them.

    that sort of minimizes their brutality dontcha think Dave? what would you think if we said that “Hey, Hitler only killed off 6 million Jews and Gypsies and Europeans because he considered them undesirable and collaborators with the Allies”…personally, I find that statement of yours very offensive, and very dismissive of the horrors that enveloped that region of the world once we left. I would dare you to say that to ANYbody in the very large Vietnamese community here in the States…you know, the ones who left by boat or hanging from helicopters rather than be subject to enlightened communist rule.

    It appears to be working just fine for them now, doesn’t it? Here is a clue for you: Vietnam — THEIR country. THEY get to decide what their system and form of government is.

    Whadda concept.

    Yeah, it was so inspiring watching the Vietnamese people line up to vote in 1974
    get me outta here

    Interesting that when the Iraqis hold three…THREE….elections, you dismiss that and call their government puppets, but a country gets overrun by marxist armies and you call it the peoples decision……interesting indeed Dave

  97. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Psychochick

    Here is one of Rush’s “phony soldiers”

    Not even the one he referred to.
    I heard that call. There’s just no way in the world that I will ever be convinced by all the creative grammatical tinkering afoot that he meant any REAL soldier is phony for their beliefs.

    Now, the turds that think no one will fact check their backgrounds as they gleefully deliver world class propaganda to al jizzeroo deserve sudden, protracted public swirlys in one of them turd-cookers they make us construction folks use, along with the spinners of crap that are distracting debate from their own skeleton-packed closets,,phony is just way too kind of an adjective.

    Even if he flipped and spat on Ronald Reagan’s picture, it changes nothing at all in the political field.
    He makes no policy, only opinion.
    The folks on the US payrole doin’ the bitchin’ have other things to do, unless they’re simply obsessed with opinion, which, to me, would be grounds for their dismissal.

  98. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #86 by DJ Allyn,

    Do you know how easy it is to track charitable donations? The lists are public information, and because El Rushbo is such a high profile person, people keep an eye open for any information on his charitable donations.

    As far as the “we”, I work in a business that researches everything. We have six researchers full time on our staff, and that is all they do is look up and keep track of information. They are very good at what they do.

    So there are only two possibilities. Either you intend to insinuate that Rep. Kingston is a liar, and as usual don’t have the testicular fortitude to smear him in so many words; OR, your ‘research’ group isn’t quite as sharp as you pretend.

    Which is it, DJ?

    I had principles. I fought for something I believed in, not something that nobody believed in.

    In all seriousness, that’s very creditable of you. And also in all seriousness, how much will your service be worth if, in the end, millions of people are converted into radioactive ash because people like you lulled us into the false belief that there was no real danger?

  99. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    We have six researchers full time on our staff, and that is all they do is look up and keep track of information. They are very good at what they do.

    So ya got barns full of tractor parts, but if ya can’t put anything together ‘n get ‘er runnin’, nothin’s gonna grow ‘come spring.

    I smiled fiendishly as one lawyer invaded my personal space to hiss “I have 8 layers in my stable, we know what we’re talking about!”
    ‘Smiled back, “Lots of lawyers only guarantee int’resting phraseology,,Only facts can help your credibility”..

    NEOCON!

    (My job was done.) :em93:

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  101. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    First, I never said I was smarter or dumber than Rush Limbaugh — just smarter than his targeted audience of ‘ditto heads’.

    Can you say ‘hubris’? I thought so.

  102. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Cheapshot
    That’s great if you heard the call. I’ve been listening to video after video, all edited slightly differently. If it’s just to call out the liars, go for it. Some of the things I heard did suggest he meant anti-war vets/soldiers, but you would have a better grip if you heard the call.

    However, now he is calling the guy on the video a “suicide bomber” because he is being sent out in public to make his case.

    ——–
    I know you are into weapons. Would you know of a database for people that train in the use of swords? I’m waiting for the head of Coldsteel to e-mail me back, but I’m not known for my patience. Internet search yields gaming stuff. This might be a question for Guido. (Thanks Wil!)

  103. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Psychochick
    Anything longer than a fillet knife creeps me out, but,, ‘reckon’ choosing a bladesmanship school would be like choosing a school,,fencing? broadsword? Bang-cok Back-pat?
    See what these guys have, there’s so many disciplines, ‘figure the best might not be in English..

  104. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I had principles. I fought for something I believed in, not something that nobody believed in.

    Sooooooo… (I haven’t read the rest of the thread after DJ’s #63, but I’m going to scrape that bullshit off the floor and shovel it right back into his lap right now.)

    So all of the men and women who are fighting in THIS war are “unprincipled“? Fuck you. YOU owe them all an apology. NOW.

    If your war for Israel (which is what you claim you were doing, instead of fighting a war to help keep millions of poor SE Asians from being slaughtered & starved by Uncle Ho) was so “principled” and was something that “everyone believed in“, why is it that that 99.99% of YOUR fellow idiots are the most vociferous, hate-spewing anti-Israeli anti-Semites outside of the mosques in the Middle East?

    And if “nobody believes in” THIS war, why is it that the Lamestream Midiots™ have to go to large, filthy Librul bastions of idiocy to get all of their polling data? As of yet, neither myself, nor anyone I know, (both in real life and on the Intertubewebnets) has EVER been asked if we “believe in” this war. Just because you and your fellow Marxists like to keep repeating the mantra of “WE Must Lose At All Costs Because EVERYBODY Hates This War!“, it doesn’t mean that “nobody” backs the ouster of the Butcher of Baghdad and the CHANCE at freedom for the Iraqi people.

    And again, it doesn’t change the fact that this particular war is a war for profit.

    And your “principled war for Zionism” could just as easily be labeled a “war for profit“. (And consistently is, by your friends on the Left. Remember, the Librul LefTard mantra is “Those damned Eeeeevil Jooos™ stole all of that land from the poor, oppressed “Palestinians” so that they could get rich, buy guns & bulldozers and oppress them even MORE!”)

    You owe every member of the coalition’s military services an apology for your slander and libel. NOW.

    As to the Viet Nam War:

    There was no winning that ‘motherfucker’. There wasn’t even a reason to be fighting it.

    First off, if you hadn’t been drinking the StoopidAid® all these many years and had actually read anything that the guys in charge of the Viet Cong had said about the conflict, you’d know that General Giap had explicitly said that the VC were on the verge of complete and total collapse when we stopped bombing the ever-loving shit out of North Viet Nam. If our chickenshit politicians had let the MILITARY run the war as a WAR, it would have been over many years earlier and would have cost far fewer lives, both American and South Vietnamese.

    The country went communist, and is doing alright for itself now.

    You really are a sick motherfucker, when the drugs let you slip up and say what’s really deep down inside that Librul mind.

    MILLIONS of innocent people died in SE Asia, (and not just in Viet Nam), because your soul-less, drug-addled hippie friends talked our testically-challenged pols into abandoning them to the tender ministrations of those Cute & Cuddly Communists™, Ho Chi Minh & Pol Pot. That’s just peachy keen with you and your fellow fucktards, though, because “they’re doing alright now”.

    We just postponed the enivitable (sic), and in the process wound up killing hundreds of thousands of people.

    Who would those “hundreds of thousands of people” be that WE killed, Dave? (Are you writing for “The Lancet” and revising their Viet Nam casualty numbers?) Would those happen to be the friends of Uncle Ho? The ones who came in, after the South Vietnamese were left to fend for themselves, and committed atrocities that would make some of Sod’em Insane’s goons sick to their stomachs? Yeah, some innocent Vietnamese died from US munitions. Shit like that happens in a war. You should look up a few places named “Dresden”, “Berlin”, “Tokyo” & “Hiroshima” and see what happens when bad people pick a fight with good people. Some good people inevitably get caught in the middle while the bad guys are getting killed.

    Bad people (North Viet Nam Commies) tried to take over the good people (South Viet Name non-Commies) and innocent people on both sides died in the crossfire.

    Anyhow, after seeing in this thread what sick shit lies deep in the depths of your Librul brain, Dave, I’ve lost just about any remaining respect I had for you.

    If you’ve apologized to our brave men & women since #63 and I just haven’t read it by now, good. If not, you can unceremoniously go fuck a tree stump.

  105. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Cheapshot
    I hate to follow the previous post with something unintellectual, but thank you for the site. It’s pretty overwhelming.

  106. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Dang BC, you got some booklernin’ in that noggin’, coz you just don’t look old enough to have been politically aware back then,,
    Gen (spit) giap,, al’Qerry’s old buddy,,

    Psychochick

    Thanks for refusing to be a victim, and maybe taking that extra step that makes any goblin’s career a bit shorter. :em96:

  107. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    DAVE

    Rush is not the leader of a bunch of idiots,like you suggest, but a voice for a people who think the same way, who never heard, on radio or t.v. someone say the same thing that we were all thinking and talking about, so I’m an idiot cause I listen, so be it , your a person who is so concerned with his own self worth that he has to belittle other people to make himself feel more important, Fuck you DAVE for your insults.

    On a lighter note . Hope you are feeling better

  108. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Communism works in agricultural countries.

    Like Zimbabwe Deej?

  109. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    First, I never said I was smarter or dumber than Rush Limbaugh — just smarter than his targeted audience of ‘ditto heads’.

    I just happen to be one of those “dittoheads”, chickenshit, so now you can come say it to my face.

    And no, asswipe, you’re not smarter than we are. You may be the recipient of more leftist indoctrination, courtesy of some college or university - but you’re not “smarter”. Hell - as Duke Fenton has pointed out, you can’t even spell worth a shit.

    I don’t need someone to interpret things for me like his ‘ditto heads’.

    Neither do we, dumbass. We don’t need Rush to know you people are full of shit.

    “Advanced Conservative Studies“? More like fat angry middle-aged bald white guy studies.

    Not to mention flaming racists, on top of everything else.

    There is no denying that Rush found a gold mine and has been digging ever since.

    That “gold mine” he’s found just happens to be our disgust for liberal pussies like you who think you’re our betters, who think you know better than do we about how & what to think, how to live, how to raise our progeny, what to drive, what to read, what to eat, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

    To quote the old song, “he can’t even run his own life; I’ll be damned if he’ll run mine.”

    He pretty much rescued the AM radio waves from extinction — or at least postponed its extinction for the time being.

    Which you’d like to expedite via the so-called “Fairness Doctrine”, I’m sure. You can go ahead and admit it, Dave - you’re a closet Communist (or at least, a sympathizer) and you want to see our free speech go away (while you and your fellow leftards conveniently keep yours), right?

    He found an audience who had no direction, was frustrated with their life, and needed someone or something to blame for their perceived inadequacies.

    I am reminded of that old PJ O’Rourke quote, which can be found here.

    Lemme tell you something, Dave. We’re so damned superior to you that it’s laughable. If and when this country has its second civil war, you’re gonna find that our only “inadequacy” is showing mercy to you cowardly douchebags.

    You all talk about BDS? Well, you people have been suffering from LDS for about twenty years now.

    What, because we won’t kowtow to you and subjugate ourselves to our so-called “betters”? Because we won’t bend our collective knee and bow and scrape to your supposed superior intelligence?

    Got news for you, moron: We ain’t the deranged ones here.

    Second, where did you get the idea that I was a board op? (not that there is anything wrong with board ops, I have done my share of it over the years) No, I am an Executive Producer.

    Ah. Glorified board op. My bad.

    You’ve been called on your intellectual bullshit, Dave, and you’ve been found to be severely wanting.

    Because YOU’VE proclaimed it as such?

    Yes, because I’ve proclaimed it such. And I’ve done so because you’ve proven how full of shit you really are.

    You measure intelligence by whether a person has a degree and from which school? Wow.

    Lotta people do that, moron. It’s called Real World 101™. Try visiting sometime.

    While I didn’t go to Harvard, Yale, or even Oxford, I do hold two Bachelor degrees, and a Masters degree. It doesn’t make me any more or less intelligent than you, but probably better educated.

    Go ask for your money back. My high-school education can spell rings around all your degrees.

    I listed the $40K amount because it was the largest found — and that was for 2003 Frankly, I was looking for those $millions, and the bulk of the money goes towards domestic charities. Of course Independent Charities of America does hide exactly where the money goes — perhaps a lot of that does go to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation.

    So much for you and your six researchers.

    And Whyn’t is it any of our business? Besides, Vietnam didn’t kill off 100 million people. They killed off 2 million that they considered to be collaborators to the US during the brutal war we fought against them.

    Oh, and that makes it okay? It was okay for Communism to kill them - because, after all, they were helping the eeeeeeevil Americans try to prevent a totalitarian regime from gaining more power?

    BC’s right. You really are a sick fuck, Dave.

    I’d almost pay real money to see you say that to N@’s face. I doubt there’d be much left of your ass once she got through with you.

    Who?

    Natasha. You remember Natasha - she who came from a communist shithole and knows more about how Communism operates than anything you learned at the indoctrination center.

    And I HAVE talked to many Vietnamese about this very thing — they tend to share the same opinion. Some don’t, but hey, a lot do.

    How about you ask each & every one of the 2 million the Coms killed?

    Oh. That’s right. You can’t.

    It appears to be working just fine for them now, doesn’t it? Here is a clue for you: Vietnam — THEIR country. THEY get to decide what their system and form of government is.

    Except they don’t get to decide, do they, dumbfuck? A limited number of leftist government elites get to decide for everyone. Kinda like what you want to happen here, isn’t it?

    And you claim to be intelligent?

    Intelligent enough, apparently.

    Bullshit flag, 15 yards, loss of down.

  110. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Like Zimbabwe Deej?

    ouch

  111. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Communism works in agricultural countries.

    Like the Agrarian Paradises™ of Cambodia, Nicaragua, or Cuba?

    Dude, quit huffing from the Stoopid Bag.

  112. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    speaking of Zimbabwe, tonight I read the most depressing article about this white farmer trying to hold onto his land. It’s from the LAT–it is a good article.

    http://www.latimes.com/columnone

    If you’re into weird shit, check out the Sept 5 article on grave-robbing in Venezuela (at least I think that’s the date)

  113. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Communism works in agricultural countries.

    Yeah, never been any shortages of food in any Communist countries. The daily chocolate ration has been increased to thirty grams. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

    Shovel that shit to someone who doesn’t read, eh?

  114. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg

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    Smackdown: (verb) 1: To bitch-slap someone senseless - see post #109
    :em99: :em99:

  115. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    I was right about the bullseye being tattooed on his forehead, wasn’t I… :em93:

  116. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    And I HAVE talked to many Vietnamese about this very thing — they tend to share the same opinion. Some don’t, but hey, a lot do.

    Dave…I waited to reply to this because after your insane comments praising communism and knowing we have folks that do “appreciate communism” on the left, I decided to pick up the phone and tap into a few of the Vietnamese people I know. My best friend for over 23 years is half Veitnamese and her Vietnamese mother, Toi, lives with her and her family.

    When I told Toi what you had said, she said, “You give me stupid’s address.”

    I then told her, “Toi, he’s on the other coast.”

    She says, “I go see him when I see friends in California and tell him how stupid he is. Then maybe Stupid will buy extra rice and medicines for family in Vietnam. Maybe he come with me and see people living in banana hut. I buy family real house for ten thousand dollar.”

    See Dave, it sucks over there. Why would she ask you to buy rice? I mean shit, you were right, they grow it there. But the export the good stuff, and leave the stuff that is rotting or has insects for the locals. Then, they ration simple medicines. Like Tylonel, Bandaides, etc. She goes there every year to visit her family. She buys cheap luggage and fills it with clothes, medicines, rice, you name it. She comes back with her purse. She leaves her clothes. She ships them rice and other food staples every three months.

    This is TODAY. So don’t fucking tell us you KNOW.

    My other friend I called, she was one of those who was lucky and got out with her immediate family. Her extended family, those belonging with “millions killed for corraborating with Americans” were not so lucky. It was because of this she doesn’t want to bring children into the world. She asked why and I read to her your comments.

    She had a message for you Dave, “Fuck you and your stupidity.” She said you might want to check what part of Vietnam those you talked to were from.

    I can also vouch that during the election last 2004, the Vietnamese community down here was up in arms over Kerry running. These people are not political Dave, but they sure didn’t like Kerry. Had nothing to do with him being a Dem but because of who he was.

    As for your hailing communism, BC and Spat took you to task. But do NOT act like you are of any authority of what our Vietnamese Americans think. I’ve been around them for a loooonnnngggggggg time, on a personal level.

    And for the second time, I’m calling bullshit on you again.

    :em72:

  117. Demosthenes Comment by Demosthenes

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    Communism works in agricultural countries.

    Of course it does. Just ask the Ukrainians and the Chinese about how “efficient” communism is.

  118. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Of course it does. Just ask the Ukrainians and the Chinese about how “efficient” communism is.

    We would, but the line is too long.

  119. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Communism works in agricultural countries.

    Others have addressed this quite well so I won’t pile much more on (and I DO mean moron). Aside from the enormous body counts, misery and hopelessness Communism is very prolific in keeping certain abysmally benighted agricultural countries remain nothing more than abysmally benighted agricultural countries.

    Given your wonderful technical expertise, combined with repeated bilge like this comment, you’ve cemented my image of you since day one - IDIOT SAVANT

  120. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    No, I am an Executive Producer

    IOW “the fool with the money” ala Howard Hughes’ Hollywood moniker.

  121. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Progressives buy cars, toilet paper

    One sheet at a time! :em72: What a burgeoning Market! :em99: :em99: :em71: :em58:

  122. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    So all of the men and women who are fighting in THIS war are “unprincipled“? Fuck you. YOU owe them all an apology. NOW.

    I owe nothing, since that only the way you chose to twist it. I didn’t believe in the Vietnam war, so I never volunteered for it. I wasn’t drafted for two reasons: my number was never called, and I was already in Israel involved in something I did believe in.

    THIS war (as you point out here constantly) is made up of volunteers. They chose to join, knowing where they would end up. Many regret that now, but still follow the orders because it is the honorable thing to do. They have no choice but to follow the policy.

    But read this closely: I don’t have a beef with the people following the orders in this war. I have a beef with the policy itself, and the idiots that sent them there in the first place, under the guise of “fighting them there so we don’t fight them here” idiocy.

    Here is a “Phoney Soldier” — Major General John Batiste — who pretty much sums this whole folly up.

    I couldn’t agree with this General more — maybe because he IS a General, and not a BushCo apologist who tries to defend this whole debacle because it was a Republican thing.

    why is it that that 99.99% of YOUR fellow idiots are the most vociferous, hate-spewing anti-Israeli anti-Semites outside of the mosques in the Middle East?

    That is about as silly as me labeling you as the same as Fred Phelps because you believe in God.

    I can only speak for me — and typically do. The thing is, most people can distiguish the difference between Jews and the Israeli government, just as others can tell the difference between Conservatives and George Bush. (I had an other example here, but this is pretty illustrative)

    And your “principled war for Zionism” could just as easily be labeled a “war for profit“. (And consistently is, by your friends on the Left. Remember, the Librul LefTard mantra is “Those damned Eeeeevil Jooos™ stole all of that land from the poor, oppressed “Palestinians” so that they could get rich, buy guns & bulldozers and oppress them even MORE!”)

    Funny, the only place I here that idiocy said that way is right here.

    But do you want a little history lesson? Let’s go back to just before the second World War, when FDR was trying to get us involved in the war against Germany, and it was the Republicans who continuously argued against getting involved. We have Prescott Bush, George’s grandfather who collborated with Hitler. (I read a story about him today and how, during the First WW, made believe that he had earned some medals that he didn’t.)

    Republicans don’t have a clear conscience on this “money-grubbing Jew” meme, and to think you do now is totally ignoring history.

    It is also strange that most American Jews tend to be Democrats. Go figure.

    She had a message for you Dave, “Fuck you and your stupidity.” She said you might want to check what part of Vietnam those you talked to were from.

    That might be so — maybe your Vietnamese friends can go to war with my Vietnamese friends — again. I have several Vietnamese friends who travel back and forth to Vietnam on a monthly basis. They have no problems over there. I can only go by what they tell me.

    Well, I need to lay down.

  123. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Hey, in the first page of comments where DJ was breathlessly and agonizingly analyzing the transcript of the RUsh call, he referred to Rush calling Chuck Hagle Senator Betrayus…. linking to Free Republic:

    I didn’t think of the rhyming names–Rush said on his show yesterday that a caller suggested the new name for Senator Hagel.

    I was that caller!! I remember that day perfectly. What an honor to be caught up in this non-story!

    bwhahahahahahahaha

  124. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    I owe nothing,

    So long as you feel that way, you deserve no more than the same.

  125. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    Staci
    Just for the record
    1) I was utterly appalled by the MoveOn ad
    2) It was suspicious that it came out the day it did, but I was curious about the Guliani rate
    3) I’ve only been here since May. Sorry it has seemed like so much longer.

    @psychochick

    1. Everyone with any common sense of decency would be. Just as many on the right are grossly offended by Fred Phelps.
    2. Guiliani used the opportunity to demand the same rate. That is when the NYT started skirting around the issue saying that they only did this as filler and the ad was posted on a date based on their discretion. It would have been more curious if he would have gotten that rate “under the table”, being ex NY mayor and all.
    3. I know, it does seem you’ve been here longer. I’ve been too busy to post but I do read. It’s cool when the Rott gets someone not exactly on the same side. YOu would have been tombstoned at the DUmp for being so “radical”. The last liberal female that came here and truly stuck it out was a sick bitch. She lasted a day and had some fucked up things views.

  126. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Hey, in the first page of comments where DJ was breathlessly and agonizingly analyzing the transcript of the RUsh call, he referred to Rush calling Chuck Hagle Senator Betrayus…. linking to Free Republic:

    I was neither breathless nor agonized. But since it looks like you may be the genesis for the Betrayus remark in some ironic way, maybe I should call Congress to have them condemn you. :em99:

    By golly, there should be a bloomin’ hotline for these condemnation requests. Maybe a drive-thru built between the two houses where someone can get his condemnation to go?

    So long as you feel that way, you deserve no more than the same.

    I do feel that way. BC twisted what I said to put words in my mouth that I never said. So therefore, no apology is needed.

    Most of the people who fought in Vietnam had no choice but to go. Most didn’t want to be there — they were forced to by law.

    We had no business being there. Most of the country feels that way, regardless of how YOU feel. It was a mistake for us to get involved, it went on for way too long, and short of killing every breathing thing in Vietnam, there was no way we were going to win.

    Now you want to kill ever breathing, living thing in the Middle East as well. Did you bother to listen to the General Batiste audio I posted? I am thinking he knows a little bit more than the rest of us combined about all of this. You ignore him at your peril.

  127. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    But since it looks like you may be the genesis for the Betrayus remark in some ironic way, maybe I should call Congress to have them condemn you.

    If you could swing that DJ, i’d take back every mean thing i’ve ever said about you!

    But I was referring to one of my own betraying the PARTY, which is quite different than being accused of betraying the COUNTRY.

  128. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I do feel that way. BC twisted what I said to put words in my mouth that I never said. So therefore, no apology is needed.

    Yeah, it’s funny how quoting you directly is “twisting what you said”. Fuck you and your sick, twisted Liberalism.


    F.E.T.E.

  129. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Psychochick

    I know you are into weapons. Would you know of a database for people that train in the use of swords? I’m waiting for the head of Coldsteel to e-mail me back, but I’m not known for my patience. Internet search yields gaming stuff. This might be a question for Guido. (Thanks Wil!)

    Glad you thought of me, but, honestly, I don’t do much with swords. I did a little fencing about thirty years ago, and did some practicing in Phillipino stick fighting, but I am pretty much (in order), rifle, pistol, knife. Swords are just a little too obvious to be carting around. (One of the reasons I was looking into stick work was the distinct possibility I may find myself using a cane someday soon…)

    I would suggest talking to some of your local Society for Creative Anachronism types for questions about sword work. (Just click on my name and read the first post on my (rarely used) blog. (yes, that is a bit of blatant link whoring, sorry, Boss.) When you get towards the bottom of the post, you’ll run across some warnings about answers. The same applies to ANY self defense activity. (Hell, for that matter, just about anything!))

    And keep in mind that most of the Eastern martial arts, including karate and tai chi, have sword forms. And, (in tai chi in particular), the basic art in itself is very usable for those of us who are no longer in the kind of shape we wish we were in.

  130. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Most of the people who fought in Vietnam had no choice but to go. Most didn’t want to be there — they were forced to by law.

    As I said before Deej, the majority of combat arms in Viet Nam were VOLUNTEERS. Do I need to get you a dictionary so you can look that word up.

    We had no business being there.

    Neither did the Chinese or the Russians. We were fighting to support a fledgling democracy and an ally in a strategically important part of the world. We were defending a sovereign nation against Communist aggression. We drew a line in the sand and attempted to stop the spread of the evil ideology you seem so willing to apologize for. Only a few million American collaborators murdered, no big deal right?

    Most of the country feels that way, regardless of how YOU feel.

    You presume to speak for the rest of the country…how amazingly arrogant and condescending of you. But in fact you may have a point since most of America has never bothered to look past the revisionist BS the left has dominated the history of that war with to see how every meme of the traitors is pure BS.

    It was a mistake for us to get involved, it went on for way too long, and short of killing every breathing thing in Vietnam, there was no way we were going to win.

    It was a mistake not to declare war and fight it to win, instead of maintain the status quo. It went on far too long because the Johnson administration didn’t have the balls to win it, and the enemy’s morale was buoyed by the ant-war movement here at home. They kept up the fight when they were losing because they, correctly, thought that they could outlast the American will to fight, all thanks to the constant screeching of the fucking self absorbed, narcissistic, treasonous hippies. And we could have won that war many times over, if we hadn’t been betrayed on the homefront. Exactly the same as the left wants to do now. History is trying to repeat itself except this time we can’t walk away if we lose. This war will follow us home.

  131. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    UPDATE:

    DJ claimed that he and his coterie of ‘very good’ information ‘research’ people ‘couldn’t find’ any donations by Rush larger than some $40,000 (which is hardly peanuts in itself). The obvious insinuation is that Rep. Kingston was lying or mistaken about donations to the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Foundation; as usual, even when directly challenged DJ was too chickenshit to say this in so many words, or back it up.

    Evidently a group of ‘very good’ researchers didn’t hit on the innovative idea of simply asking the recipient of said largess. Your humble - well, I can’t say ‘correspondent’ because I don’t have a Colombia Journalism degree, so let’s say ‘citizen’ - did just that, and received a very nice reply confirming that Mr. Limbaugh has indeed made donations well in excess of $40,000. Lest I deprive the hoidy-toidy ‘researchers’ of all the fun I won’t give away the details; but I can let slip that the relevant information *IS* available to the general public, if a little difficult to track down.

  132. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ *LIES* again:

    Most of the people who fought in Vietnam had no choice but to go. Most didn’t want to be there — they were forced to by law.

    El wrongo! Draftees made up about 25% of combat troops in country - yes, that’s a lot but hardly ‘most.’ (As a reminder, ‘most’ implies a large majority, or at a bare minimum more than 50%.) It is also true that 38% of casualties were draftees; granted this is disproportionately high, but it’s still not ‘most.’

    So fuck you and your ‘research’ yet again.

  133. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Duke
    You are like the detective in The Fugitive series and film.

    A lie implies a deliberate falsehood–that is different from an opinion which is wrong.

  134. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    A lie implies a deliberate falsehood–that is different from an opinion which is wrong.

    Pulling blatantly-false ghost numbers out of one’s ass, such as “MOST of the soldiers in Viet Nam were draftees”, and claiming that they’re “facts” ISlying“.

  135. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Boortz stated in his “Newz” that he was told by a DC insider that detectives are trying to dig up dirt on him as well.

    Typical Klintoon MO….destroy your opponents’ reputations.

    Expecting more at least until Nov 2008. And longer if G-d forbid, the Hildebeast is elected.

  136. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Duke RE #132

    Thanks for the hard numbers. I’ve seen them before in a lot of sources, but couldn’t remember them off of the top of my head.

  137. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    PC

    A lie implies a deliberate falsehood–that is different from an opinion which is wrong.

    I hope DJ read this. He keeps insisting on that “Bush lied; people died” screed. Nearly everyone in congress in addition to the governments of several other countries believed the “lie.” l

  138. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Deej probably won’t believe THIS site, even though it is recommended by the History Channel because it doesn’t match HIS ideas, but it looks to have to pretty good information.

    http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.html

    Couple of things in particular:
    Myth: Most American soldiers were addicted to drugs, guilt-ridden about their role in the war, and deliberately used cruel and inhumane tactics.
    91% of Vietnam Veterans say they are glad they served
    74% said they would serve again even knowing the outcome

    Myth: Most Vietnam veterans were drafted.
    2/3 of the men who served in Vietnam were volunteers. 2/3 of the men who served in World War II were drafted.

  139. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    What a lot people do not realize either is it was mandatory, just like in a lot of democratic countries today, that men put in some type of service. After WWII, they stopped this.

    The result?

    Hence, pansy-candy assed-Nancy boys and hippies evolved. Back then, men were men. Today, even in that child health care proposition, males are still boys and children into their early 20s.

    I like how Dave makes generalizations that we are these eviiillll warmongers.

    What is equally amazing to me is how he just blew off those “few million” ALLIES who were killed and probably throws out the casualties of our “corraborators” breathlessly. I wonder if he looks at the terrorists of Iraq in the same way as the commie murdering, torturing commies the same way.

  140. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    What is equally amazing to me is how he just blew off those “few million” ALLIES who were killed and probably throws out the casualties of our “corraborators” breathlessly.

    As a percentage of the total body count for Communism, those two million are barely a footnote, so I can see how someone with so much admiration for that system of government might toss them aside so casually.

  141. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #133 by psychochick

    A lie implies a deliberate falsehood–that is different from an opinion which is wrong.

    Fair enough - but one cannot have an ‘opinion’ about the proportion of troops drafted as opposed to volunteer. The numbers are what they are, regardless of what any person believes or would wish to be the case. As someone once said, “You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.”

    Anyone as experienced, informed, and backed up by a team of ‘very good’ researchers as DJ claims to be has no excuse for not knowing or obtaining the facts. He’s certainly been challenged on the point, even in this thread, and has not yet acknowledged that his claim was in error. Therefore the only possibility is that he knows this old canard is false but keeps repeating it anyway because it backs up his other preconceived conclusions.

    IOW, he’s lying and he knows it.