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If this was the vaudeville days of yore, this assclown would’ve already gotten the hook. In spite of his nearly continuous demonstration of any leadership acumen, he still manages to swindle dollars to keep his leaky raft campaign afloat.

Obama stops wearing flag pin

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he no longer wears an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for “true patriotism” since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The only true patriotism as defined by MurthaMutt, Reid, Lugosi, Commodore Oldsmobile and the Breck Girl, being surrender, cut, run and hide under your momma’s (or wife’s for John-Boy) skirts.

He commented on the pin in a television interview Wednesday and then again on Thursday at a campaign appearance in Independence, Iowa.

Not being bright enough to realize he shoved his head so far up his ass only his tonsils stopped it, he REPEATS himself.

Noting the TV interview, he told the campaign crowd, “I said, you know what, I probably haven’t worn a flag pin in a very long time. After a while I noticed people wearing a lapel pin and not acting very patriotic.”

Pins don’t make for patriotic, nor can unpatriotic hide behind a pin. But in your case, screaming at every turn that you were against the war, before and currently during the war rules you out of the “patriotic” category permanently. I hold all you gutless, treasonous bastards accountable for putting political gain ahead of the national security in time of war. Blood is on your hands and it grows everyday as you merrily undermine the nation at war.

“My attitude is that I’m less concerned about what you’re wearing on your lapel than what’s in your heart. You show your patriotism by how you treat your fellow Americans, especially those who serve. You show your patriotism by being true to our values and ideals. That’s what we have to lead with is our values and our ideals.”

Pardon me while I heave up my Dunkin’ Donuts Xtra-Large Coffee. Urrrrrpppppp. Patriotism is proudly displaying and serving beneath that flag, citizen and soldier alike. That flag flew over countless foreign lands and here at home, under enemy fire, liberating the oppressed and restoring freedom to others at the cost of American blood and treasure. The flag, you scrotum-licking hack, epitomizes values and ideals that are obviously beyond your comprehension and that of the socialist succubi that are turning your organ-grinder’s wheels.

He had been asked about the pin Wednesday in an interview with KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids.

“The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin,” Obama said. “Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.”

Obama was campaigning Thursday on the third day of a four-day trip to the early voting state.

What don’t you understand here Dumbo? 9/11 woke up our nation to the biggest threat to our security since WW2. For awhile we had clarity, resolve and determination to engage an enemy on multiple fronts, using unconventional means necessary for an asymmetric war. A war that by it’s very definition would likely carry onto the next generation. The enemy has been waging it for SEVEN Centuries, only a fool believes that it would end with the capture of a few leaders. America saw during that cusp event, the true face of evil. The utterly inhuman evil of islamo-fascism without the dismissive attitude of the appeasement/peacenik crowd poo-pooing the existence of such evil. Decades of liberal-speak denying evil or apologizing and equivocating it was ripped away in a few hours that morning.

At one stop, he called for new restrictions on deployment of National Guard and Reserve troops along with an expansion of benefits for them and their families.

“I will not be a president who extends tours for our Guard units overseas while Americans are stranded on rooftops right here at home,” Obama said.

He said he would require “a period of rest and standard of readiness” before troops could be redeployed. He called for the head of the National Guard to be elevated to four-star rank and given a seat among the Joint Chiefs of Staff to reflect the heavy reliance on Guard soldiers and reservists during the Iraq war.

Continuing rapidly towards his maximum entropy, B. Hussein trots out Katrina as justification for his stance. Those people were stranded on the rooftops by the incompetent, corrupt local and state government, that the victims kept voting into office. I am fucking fed-up to the top of my cranium with any equation involving the WoT and the post-Katrina fiasco.

I propose an addendum to Godwin’s Rule of conversation: Any person or persons equating any aspect of the war on terror, having or contributing to the events surrounding Hurricane Katrina is forever rendered irrelevant, and bestowed the title of Lifetime Idiotarian. We’ll even buy you the pin and brand it on your forehead.

Since 2001, Obama said, more than 580,000 reservists have been activated, a level not seen since World War II.

In making his case, Obama pointed to an Iowa unit in which members learned from family and friends back home that their deployment had been extended. That unit — the 1st Battalion of the 133rd Infantry — recently returned after a 22-month deployment in Iraq.

“When we’ve got service members who have to find out that their tour has been extended in a phone call home, we’re not keeping that trust and we’re not keeping this country safe,” Obama said.

Is is remotely possible, Dumbo, that specific unit movements and deployments are of a classified nature and outside of general public announcements on purpose? Do tell specifically how keeping our troops in the field (because they’re needed you ass-wipe) makes us less safe?

He also called for increased mental health services, including screening and treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said nearly half of the National Guard troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from psychological problems, yet little emphasis is put on treating those disorders.

“We’re not providing adequate treatment, screening and benefits,” said Obama. “We need more mental health professionals and more training to recognize the signs.”

Bullshit on that play too. PTSD was a disease specifically identified symptomatically by military medical professionals. Shell-Shock, Battle Fatigue were all terms used to describe what we now call PTSD. Likewise, much of the treatment regimens were developed by the military medical community. The DoD is aware of this need and providing it. I can personally attest to this, as I have a family member that was required to undergo counseling in-country and stateside immediately when he unit transferred back home. Continuing services are available to anyone requesting them or as medically determined necessary.

What would you propose Obama? The Oprah Show-Miracle PTSD Cure™?

Fucking socialist, America-hating maggots, using poor military medical services as campaign fodder, simultaneously trying to defund the war is hypocrisy of the most egregious sort. Treasonous in it’s intent and effect.

You are now free to do the honorable thing B. Hussein, eat a large-caliber bullet. Let us know we’ll provide the round and a suitable weapon to fire it from.

41 Responses to “B. Hussein - True (Substitute) Patriot”
  1. Wild-Eyed Charlie Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie

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    There’s reason they call this guy “O-bambi.” Or Alabama Osamba, Osama Obama etc. if you’re Ted Kennedy.

  2. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Criminy, what a non-issue blown up into an epic outrage.

    Maybe you should read the flag code before you start complaining about this.

    Flag lapel pins have been in the news, including a recent story tracing the timeline of Barack Obama’s wearing of a lapel pin.

    The Flag Code is quite specific about where to wear it. Section 8j of the Flag Code (reference) reads:

    No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. [Emphasis mine]

    The last I checked, Obama isn’t a fireman, policeman, a member of the armed forces, or a member of a “patriotic organization”. So by him NOT wearing a flag pin is actually proper flag etiquette.

    In everyone’s zeal to literally wear their patriotism as a badge, they forgot that there are certain rules you have to follow when using a flag to “prove” you are a patriot.

    While I was on the Flag Rule site, I found this violation:

    September 11, 2006, President Bush and first lady Laura Bush stand on a carpet of the American flag at Ground Zero in Manhattan, the site of the September 11, 2001 attack. Section 8b of the Flag Code reads, ” The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground…”

  3. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    We’ll even buy you the pin and brand it on your forehead.

    Bwhahaha…I humbly submit for the job of “Imperial Branding Agent” and all the “bennies and perks of the realm” that includes…. :em93:

    The last I checked, Obama isn’t a fireman, policeman, a member of the armed forces, or a member of a “patriotic organization”.

    Well you’re right about that seeing as the US Senate and most it’s members both past and present are about as patriotic as a canker sore…. :em96:

  4. LC CountryRED GLOR Comment by LC CountryRED GLOR

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    Jeez DJ-

    Maybe if your reading comprehension was better, you might get the point. This is just another example of the left’s patent lack of patriotism, yet they continue to trying to fool the sheeple into believing otherwise.

  5. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart. [Emphasis mine]

    You should’ve emphasized that too, Deej, because then you’d have noticed that you just killed your own argument.

    A lapel flag pin is a replica, it is not “part of the flag”, nor is it a “flag patch.” There wouldn’t be much point in specifying where it should be properly worn if it weren’t supposed to be worn in the first place, now would there?

  6. Deathknyte Comment by Deathknyte

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    He called for the head of the National Guard to be elevated to four-star rank and given a seat among the Joint Chiefs of Staff to reflect the heavy reliance on Guard soldiers and reservists during the Iraq war.

    Hmm, that would give the Army TWO members on the Joint Chiefs. As for how heavily the Army depends on the reserves and guard… maybe if clinton hadn’t chopped off a few extra divisions the Army wouldn’t need to rely so heavily on reserve formations. More regular troops to call on would mean they wouldn’t have to call up reserves to make-up the shortfall.

  7. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I don’t particularly care if that idiot wears a flag pin or not. I worry more about his surrendering our sovereignty if elected, I care more about his undermining of our troops while they are fighting and, yes DJ, winning a difficult war, and I’m more concerned about him and the other al-qaedacrats taxing the crap out of an already strapped middle class to pay for their “nationalized” health care program….if he chooses not to wear a flag pin, then that’s his choice…

    and it’s a good choice in my book….because he isn’t worthy of wearing it, none of the democrats are.

  8. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Obama is a menace, not simply an annoyance. He wants us to disarm our nuclear weapons, among other things. Some bad decisions prove fatal. And no, this isn’t a small slight, this flag thing, for it carries great weight in the community. For why even mention it? Libs love testing the waters, seeing how far they can push their detestation of all things American. I’ve seen it before, I’m seeing it now. They backpedaled fast after nine-eleven, amidst boos, hisses and a well deserved contempt. They seek ridicule and belittlement as their weapons, failing to realize I view them with comtempt, not giving a rat’s ass what they think or say. I’m still waiting for one of those telling me they collectively were going to disarm me to show up at my doorstep. I told him to do it personally, first in line, point blank with a twelve gauge slug would prove most impressive, albeit a tad messy. I long ago learned human life is not sancrosant…but the human spirit is. It’s not like they don’t know where I live. Obama’s sole redeeming feature is his causing Hillary headaches……. My personal patriotism is not simply felt in my heart, but expressed in my hands. I’m the nondescript guy handing vet organizations a twenty, or stopping to talk and share, or hanging Old Glory from my home on holidays…or saying a prayer for an old friend just called Home two days ago. He was a Marine that fought in Korea, a customer and a good friend. I stand for the vets, writing a great deal for our local paper. One of the greatest compliments I ever received from a Marine, knowing I was a squid, noting my efforts. He looked at me, extended his hand and said the words…Semper Fi…I was honored and told him so. The Memorial going up at Marks Elementary school a block from her, my wife and I spent time, money and spirit helping. Construction begins next week. And anybody whining about a weapon representing something evil would be laughed out of town…for that is the one thing liberals cannot stand, not being taken seriously. Oh, I take them seriously, alright, I take any threat seriously. How could one of them fathom me opening my gunsafe this morning to retrieve some medication for my wife, she saw me reach in, grab my Marlin rifle, cradle it gently, running my fingers down the stock, then the twenty-four inch barrel, then with a soft voice,…”This is truly a beautiful gun, Mary….and a big chuck of history…” For if the day ever comes, I will fight these people if necessary, and I know hwo to use my guns.

  9. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    He can choose to wear the pin or not,,but when he starts making political points by making speeches about NOT wearing it, open season.
    If that flag bothers him, he bothers me.

    ‘Couldn’t find a fence to throw it over?

  10. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Take another squint, DJ.

    It’s not entirely clear if that’s a correct union, hence a “real” American flag. (Since we’ve suddenly become invested in proper adherence to “The Rules.”)

    Besides, a tu quoque leveled at Bush is yesterday’s news. We already know what he is.

    More to the point:

    He also called for increased mental health services, including screening and treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said nearly half of the National Guard troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from psychological problems, yet little emphasis is put on treating those disorders. (My emphasis.)

    Bull. Shit.

    “We’re not providing adequate treatment, screening and benefits,” said Obama. “We need more mental health professionals and more training to recognize the signs.”

    Ah, yes, Obama the psychoepidemiologist…

    My best friend served in Iraq. He spent the better part of a year being shot at and mortared by the insurgency while he was tasked with instructing Iraqi military recruits.

    On return home, he began to develop typical signs and symptoms of PTSD. To put it mildly, the actions of the VA were amazing. (I usually can’t get a patient a psychiatry referral for months. They had him admitted as an inpatient immediately.) His treatment was and is exemplary.

    His story is not unusual, either locally or nationally. However, we’re always in need of more “mental health professionals” and this is simply another example of Obama ignorantly spewing more half-baked talking points.

    … and that is also yesterday’s news.

  11. Unregistered Comment by CKO1986

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    Lifetime idiotarian? I didn’t know there was such a rank. :em93:

  12. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Lifetime idiotarian? I didn’t know there was such a rank.

    Sadly, CKO1986, some of them are terminal…or should be. Odd state of affairs, quite often a great deal of knowledge absolutely bereft of a single grain of wisdom. My Other Half and my daughter have been vaccinated……

  13. LC Stargazer Comment by LC Stargazer

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    Is that even a real picture of Bush? Looks badly photoshopped to me.

    I’m just hoping that he stays in the Dem race long enough to suck up funds that the Hildebeest might otherwise get. Dunno why everyone’s screeching about the Dems out-pacing the Reps in fundraising at this point - the election’s still over a year away. Plenty of time to make up the shortfall if the Repubs put up someone worth voting for.

  14. Unregistered Comment by rstephens

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    DJ, Where are you hiding? Don’t run away. It is very entertaining watching you get your head handed to you on a platter.

  15. Unregistered Comment by salfter

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    DJ Allyn wrote:

    While I was on the Flag Rule site, I found this violation:

    [badly-photoshopped image omitted]

    Gimme a frakkin’ break. Only a Dim would think an image of W and Laura that was obviously shot in the daytime, superimposed over a nighttime photo of a memorial, would in any way be believable. Compare the lighting of the two. Your fauxto is as convincing as the record of Tom Harkin’s Vietnam exploits, and about as accurate. :em41:

    That it also turns out to have been sourced from the DUmmies’ fever swamp is another point against it.

  16. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    salfter sez

    Gimme a frakkin’ break. Only a Dim would think an image of W and Laura that was obviously shot in the daytime, superimposed over a nighttime photo of a memorial, would in any way be believable. Compare the lighting of the two. Your fauxto is as convincing as the record of Tom Harkin’s Vietnam

    The perspective is off too. If you check the camera height that W and Laura are shot at, it is at about waist level, probably shot from below them…like they are on a stage or something. The shot of the interior of the building looks to be shot at eye level, if you do a little photoshopping and project perspective lines you’ll see the disparity between the two. I got my doubts about this thing being real….

    and the fact that it was found at DUmmie land doesn’t give it much legitimacy either.

  17. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    off topic here,

    how do benefits to returning troops get allocated? Dollard is running a story about the Mn. Natl Guard troops who, when they returned from Iraq, were denied benefits. They were the same unit pictured here:

    give 'em their money!!!

    So who allows or denies bennies?….just wonderin’….

  18. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    Salfter and Jaybear -

    If that one’s fake, then this one must be too. Evidently the pics were taken at a NYC fire house near Ground Zero. To me, that mat just looks way out of place sitting there on the concrete. If it’s real, though, I honestly don’t think Pres. Bush and Laura just decided to go and stand on it for the hell of it. More likely, they were directed to stand there for the photo op, but they should have known better - if it’s real, that is.

    [I added it for you — DJ]

  19. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Maybe if your reading comprehension was better, you might get the point. This is just another example of the left’s patent lack of patriotism, yet they continue to trying to fool the sheeple into believing otherwise.

    And maybe you would realize this is a stupid, stupid argument about nothing. This is wearing your patriotism on your proverbial sleeve. It is about as stupid as proclaiming your undying support for the troops just because you have a faded yellow magnet ribbon and faded American flag on the back of your SUV.

    How many people do you see with these faded American flag stickers pasted on the back of their vehicles, or the tattered remnants of what used to be an American flag on their antenna? In most cases, it is the extent of their ’support’.

    Obama is right: Just the act of wearing a pin is not ’support’ for America, the troops or whatever else you want to say it is for. It is all about the deeds, not the display.

    A lapel flag pin is a replica, it is not “part of the flag”, nor is it a “flag patch.” There wouldn’t be much point in specifying where it should be properly worn if it weren’t supposed to be worn in the first place, now would there?

    Perhaps you should read this Even a child’s drawing is considered a “flag”. The code does allow for the wearing of the flag (or its replica) only for a narrow exception of cases: military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations.

    It’s not entirely clear if that’s a correct union, hence a “real” American flag. (Since we’ve suddenly become invested in proper adherence to “The Rules.”)

    Hell, it is probably made in China like most of our flags today.

    Bull. Shit.

    Maybe you would rather read what the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America have to say about it. (Of course these will probably be labeled as “phoney soldiers” by Rush before too long)

  20. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    well, I may be wrong then Mike M,
    I was judging the picture purely from a Photoshopper viewpoint…and by how easy it is to transpose people into places where they weren’t…..guess it’s my paranoia working overtime.

  21. Grits Comment by Grits

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    Obama not wearing the American flag pin. It must have been offending the folks back home.

    Grits

  22. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DJ, Where are you hiding? Don’t run away. It is very entertaining watching you get your head handed to you on a platter.

    Not this head, bucko.

    Hiding? From who? :em99:

    Actually, for someone that just recently had an organ and rib removed, the fact that I am able to sit up at my desk for short periods of time without too many drugs is pretty damn good.

    Gimme a frakkin’ break. Only a Dim would think an image of W and Laura that was obviously shot in the daytime, superimposed over a nighttime photo of a memorial, would in any way be believable. Compare the lighting of the two. Your fauxto is as convincing as the record of Tom Harkin’s Vietnam exploits, and about as accurate. :em41:

    Well, the photo was found here.

    Maybe this one was a fake also?

    I am certainly not going to start authenticating photos found on websites, and i don’t think anyone here is a photo forensic expert qualified to make such determinations.

    and the fact that it was found at DUmmie land doesn’t give it much legitimacy either.

    The Independence Hall Association in Philadelphia is DUmmie land?

    Oy Vey.

  23. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    The Independence Hall Association in Philadelphia is DUmmie land?

    Oy Vey.

    no it’s much too honorable of a site to be confused with DUmmieland.

    Damn, but that IS a cool site DJ….
    couldn’t find the link to the picture though….and I’ll confess that I’m wrong on my assumption of photo manipulation. Must be my brain being over-oxygenated from the sleep apnia machine I started using this week. (hey…you can hide behind your organ removal, I can hide behind my sleep disorder) :em93:

  24. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    [I added it for you — DJ]

    Oh, you didn’t add it for me. But, whatever. If it helps make your point, that’s fine. Like I said, if it’s real, they should have known better, even though they were probably directed to stand on the mat for the photo op. They should have known that standing on it would be disrespectful and they should have known that every Leftist entity out there would seize the opportunity to make them look bad and score some cheap political points, even at a 9/11 commemoration event.

    As kind of an aside, I’m wondering why anyone would think it’s a good idea to produce such a mat and how did it find its way to that location.

  25. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    I would never, ever wear a flag pin, and it’s got nothing to do with patriotism. To me, it’s been corrupted by the right. If you don’t subscribe to a particular range of views, you are treasonous and should be shot. I am happy to have my dad’s flag he got from being a veteran. Real flags are a little different, because of their symbolism in times of war.

    And if you are going to fly a flag, aren’t you supposed to take it down at night and take it down if it’s raining and not let it get all tattered? Or did I get it wrong?

    I agree with Obama: it’s your values, how you help your community, the country. I give money to Veterans and soldier’s family’s groups, also. You don’t have to be conservative to do that. If this country were under siege, I have my K-Bar knife and would break down and buy a gun, and fight. So don’t go calling me unpatriotic because I wouldn’t wear a piece of jewelry.

  26. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    PC sez:

    I agree with Obama: it’s your values, how you help your community, the country. I give money to Veterans and soldier’s family’s groups, also. You don’t have to be conservative to do that. If this country were under siege, I have my K-Bar knife and would break down and buy a gun, and fight. So don’t go calling me unpatriotic because I wouldn’t wear a piece of jewelry.

    You won’t hear me calling you unpatriotic, you haven’t demonstrated that you are anything of the kind……

    …….However……….

    I WILL call obama unpatriotic, not because he took his little flag pin off…but he used the flag pin thing to re-write patriotism to fit his ideaology…just like hillary did when she shrieked that it was patriotic to disagree with ANY administration (’ceptin hers of course, that gets the Army or the INS sicked on you). They will skew the definition and call undermining the war effort…i.e. support the troops but not the mission…”patriotic”. They want it both ways, they want to appease the military and also appease the truly unpatriotic that have bought and paid for the current democrat party.

    But you are right, being a patriot is not limited to conservatives and it is more than waving the flag, it IS helping your neighbors and those that serve to protect you. It’s also giving unfettered support to the heroes that take up arms and fight for this country, and respecting the flag that represents this nation….

    I have had a flag flying in my yard every day since 9/11/01. I just put up the third replacement today, it’s illuminated so I can fly it 24/7 but the flag gets very weather beaten and needs to be replaced every couple of years. I can’t bring myself to burn them however, so I breach flag etiquette by folding them and storing them in my closet. I’m a sentimental fool but I don’t think hanging on to those old flags diminishes my patriotism.

    So you broke down and bought a K-Bar eh? cooooool

  27. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Jaybear
    Thanks–I still get a little nervous with the more confrontational posts. I don’t blame you for not wanting to burn the flags: how horrible!

    I see what you mean about Osama and Hillary. As I’ve said before, she’s not getting my primary vote.

    The knife is beautiful! I caught hell for it. I’m a suicide risk with a gun, but the knife is not a danger. Apparently, it’s jail time to have one on a UC campus. Oh well. It can live at home. Some one told me it’s a felony in Cal to carry it in a boot (I wear Doc Martens.) I seem to remember you advising me on getting it, so thanks! :)

  28. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #16 by jaybear

    and the fact that it was found at DUmmie land doesn’t give it much legitimacy either.

    Isn’t that one of the sites that DJ keeps telling us he doesn’t frequent? :em99:

  29. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Duke
    Hi There,

    Check out post 22–Independence Hall is listed as the source, but I’m too tired to find the picture

    Do you know anything about coevolution or chemical ecology?

  30. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Maybe you would rather read what the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America have to say about it. (Of course these will probably be labeled as “phoney soldiers” by Rush before too long)

    Maybe you would rather take your condescending attitude and go elsewhere with it, DJ.

    I diagnose, treat and refer patients with PTSD commonly. I know how things work from years of clinical experience, not from a website. I’m well familiar with the burden of suffering imposed by PTSD, the necessity of prompt treatment, the availability of definitive care and I will now tell you, with certainty: The VA system has many and serious flaws and inefficiencies, but when it comes to caring for patients with PTSD, it performs remarkably well.

    Contrast that with the problems I have with getting domestic violence victims treated and referred and you’d know what I mean.

    But you don’t and you have no clue.

  31. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    PC:

    And if you are going to fly a flag, aren’t you supposed to take it down at night and take it down if it’s raining and not let it get all tattered? Or did I get it wrong?

    IIRC, if a flag is illuminated, it can be flown 24/7. All-weather flags can stay out in all weather, too, I believe (I could be mistaken on this point, however).

    While burning the flag sounds bad, groups like the VFW, I believe, and other veterans’ groups will do it.

  32. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    You struck a chord within me, Jaybear. I don’t fly the colors twenty-four/seven, it not being weatherproof. But on holidays, and other dates deemed worthy of note. I have once, burned a flag, an old warrior, true to the end, years old and tattered. And Brother…it took an effort of will on my part. I cut the field out, folded the two parts, some friends of mine and myself did something some would view as silly. But I have an old Weber out back. I emptied it, my best friend and I saluted, we stood quiet….and we burned her to ash, as prescribed. I buried those ashes in my yard beneath a big camphor tree we have here, seemed appropriate somehow.
    I have three flags here, the one I purchased for the front of the house, made in America at five times the cost. But the two I value the most…..one is folded in a triangular case in my living room on the mantel, for it covered my dad’s casket at his funeral. It left a tear in my eye finding out he had willed it to me, the first time I held it…after my mother. One leftist joked he would burn it. A flash of anger…I told him I would kill him if he did. Only I was not joking. I do own a five and a half by nine foot, Valley Forge Issue, military flag. Forty-nine stars. That one’s in my gunsafe. So a quiet, tacit representation of our feelings. I am known as one of the vets about town here, a reliable decent sort, true to his word. I cherish it greatly….for even my mundane service as a Machinist’s Mate meant something, even if only repacking valves and painting compartments.

  33. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Hey Cave,

    never diminish what you did in uniform….even most REMF’s carry their weight, I know some who worked their asses off to support those who were further forward than them. I salute you all.

    I remember the day I took down the flag I put up on 9/11/01…I will never forget the day I put it up either. That flag flew every day for about 2.5 years, in the worst of weather. I knew about burning old tattered flags, and this one qualified as tattered….but holding that weathered old flag and looking at it and what it represented, I just couldn’t do it. It’s folded and stored away, maybe I’ll bring it out and hang it in my office….I believe that it still has some pride and glory in it.

    So you got a Valley Forge issue eh? isn’t that a flag that the NPS flies at Valley Forge and then sells? I’m impressed man, that’s definitely a keepsake. I believe that the NPS also sells flags that have flown at Gettysburg also, I’ll have to check that out when I’m back there next summer.

  34. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I’m not sure where it came from, Jaybear, I’ve had it for decades. Valley Forge Flag Company, and my dad isn’t around to ask. It’s in good shape overall, but one guy I showed it to told me it was worth bank, forty-nine stars and all. However, it is not for sale, none of my flags are, at any price. They can go buy their own. As at Wal-Mart, say five bucks or less for one made in China, or thirty for a domestic. You should see this town on Memorial Day, Jaybear…..hundreds of flags up and down Blossom Avenue, our main drag two blocks down. Our town dealerships sell tractors, not cars. Then to attend memorial services either in a church, and denfinitely the town cemetery. There I run into guys I view as the salt of the earth, veterans of all ages, from all wars……gathered to remember and respect their fallen brothers and sisters. Here to be caught desecrating one in public would see cars stopping, brakes screeching, a lot of guys engaging in their own freedom of expression. I would be one of them. Some things are worth getting your ass whipped if necessary, this country is one. And the police Chief and mayor are both Marines…and friends. Damn, it’s getting to me writing this. I guess I had better save it for my Memorial Day missive, the one I always write.

  35. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I’ll have to make a trip down that way Cave, that’s a sight I’d like to see. My hometown in Colorado is much the same way, even though it’s only 11 miles east of the socialist dungheap known as Boulder it’s very family oriented and very patriotic. Flags line the streets every 4th of July and the community picnic and fireworks show is a required event.

    I saw something up here in Kirkland Wa. on September 11th of this year. I was driving through downtown Kirkland on my way to my college teaching job and noticed that the planters and median strips through out the downtown section were planted with hundreds of US flags, and this in blue state washington of all places….that the the inability of the left to gin up the energy and support for their “cause” gives me hope that things are finally turning around.

  36. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    DJ-

    Obama is right: Just the act of wearing a pin is not ’support’ for America, the troops or whatever else you want to say it is for. It is all about the deeds, not the display.

    How about that you’re correct. It is deeds that count and Obama has been playing against the WoT along with his DemCong friends. I’ll stick to my point, this is NOT an argument about wearing a damn pin. He’s decided to use it, to vault into a distinctly unpatriotic stance, there’s your deed.

    It’s morally bankrupt to say you “Support The Troops” or “Support America”, yet demand surrender to the very real threat of an enemy intent on the destruction of us all. Political ideology should STOP, when our brave service men and women are being shot it. Like it or not, they are in harm’s way, give them 100% support spiritually and financially (congress, I’ m looking at you) and when it’s over, let the arguments begin.

    Meanwhile you can shove your Soros & Co. talking points up your rectum with a jackhammer.

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    #29 by psychochick

    Check out post 22–Independence Hall is listed as the source, but I’m too tired to find the picture

    Correct you are, it would seem. That’s what I get for not refreshing the page before final edit. Thank you. :em93:

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    #31 by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

    While burning the flag sounds bad, groups like the VFW, I believe, and other veterans’ groups will do it.

    This is true, but it’s sort of like the difference between burning someone alive at the stake, and a dignified cremation of the deceased.

    Back when I was in college, Doonesbury pulled an unusual stunt by printing a flag in its strip, along with notes about what you can and can’t do with a flag. The challenge was to figure out what to do with it, without breaking the rules.

    At the same time, of course, our own USPS prints stamps with flags on them; or at least they did until recently, haven’t checked the new designs yet. Stamps, by definition, are defaced and then discarded along with the envelope. Still scratching my head over that one, but I avoid those designs just to be respectful.

    What? I forgot to be on topic? Silly me. :em95:

    Personally I don’t care much whether Obama wears a flag pin or not, as far as it goes. It is kind of annoying that he makes a point of emphasizing the fact, and suggests that wearing one is fake patriotism. (I don’t think that’s what he meant, but it could be taken that way.) But really, it’s Obama, who cares what he thinks?

  39. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Caveman
    Would you part with a link to your newspaper column if I gave you my e-mail address? (I promise not to do anything nefarious)

  40. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    But really, it’s Obama, who cares what he thinks?

    You’d better stop your blasphemy right there. You’re talking about someone who’ll become an instrument of God if only you give him money vote pray for him.

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    #40 by Mike M

    You’d better stop your blasphemy right there. You’re talking about someone who’ll become an instrument of God if only you give him money vote pray for him.

    Offhand, I suspect an infinitely powerful trans-dimensional being can probably have whatever instrument He desires no matter what I do. :em93: