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LC nerbygirl sends us this, written by a Idiotarian cow who, safely back in the States, sees fit to bitch about the people who made sure that she got back with her head still attached between her shoulders.

When the Iraqi government last month demanded the expulsion of Blackwater USA, the private security firm, I had one reaction: It’s about time.

As a U.S. official in Baghdad for nearly two years, I was frequently the “beneficiary” of Blackwater’s over-the-top zeal. “Just pretend it’s a roller coaster,” I used to tell myself during trips through downtown Baghdad.

We would careen around corners, jump road dividers, reach speeds in excess of 100 mph and often cross over to the wrong side of the street, oncoming traffic be damned.

Which is exactly what you’d do in order to avoid being boxed in, abducted at gun point, raped to death and then mutilated so bad that your corpse would be unrecognizable without a DNA test. Will somebody please take the time out to explain to those ignorant imbeciles that a war zone isn’t quite safe to be in and that no, Virginia, terrorists don’t really give a flying fuck what they have to do to kill another infidel?

But much more appalling than the ride was the deleterious effect each movement through town had on the already beleaguered people of Iraq. I began to wonder whether my meetings, intended to further U.S. policy goals and improve the lives of Iraqis, were doing more harm than good.

Given your rather obvious placement on the normal distribution curve for IQ, it’s highly doubtful that you had any effect whatsoever, except on the pockets of the taxpayers funding your excellent adventure to the Middle East.

With our drivers honking at, cutting off, pelting with water bottles (a favorite tactic) and menacing with weapons anyone in their way, how many enemies were we creating?

Listen, baby girl, you really shouldn’t concern your pretty little empty head with big scary issues like that. Just be aware that those horrible Blackwater folks kept you from an experience that would make you crap your biologically degradable undies if you even had the faintest clue as to the nature of them. No, what they did to keep you from becoming the next kidnap or IED victim on the front page of the NYT wasn’t pretty, but when you’re trying to avoid ugly people, you sometimes have to use ugly tactics.

One particularly infuriating time, I was in the town of Irbil in northern Iraq, being driven to a meeting with a Kurdish political leader. We were on a narrow stretch of highway with no shoulders and foot-high barriers on both sides. The lead Suburban in our convoy loomed up behind an old, puttering sedan driven by an older man with a young woman and three children.

As we approached at typical breakneck speed, the Blackwater driver honked furiously and motioned to the side, as if they should pull over. The kids in the back seat looked back in horror, mouths agape at the sight of the heavily armored Suburbans driven by large, armed men in dark sunglasses. The poor Iraqi driver frantically searched for a means of escape, but there was none. So the lead Blackwater vehicle smashed heedlessly into the car, pushing it into the barrier. We zoomed by too quickly to notice if anyone was hurt.

What? You’re telling me that Iraqi roads don’t have shoulders? That there was absolutely no way of pulling over to the side for a few seconds while the convoy pulled past? You’re telling me that they were waving him over, knowing full well that there was no place to pull over to?

Until that point I had never mentioned anything to my drivers about their tactics, but this time I could not contain myself.

“Where do you all expect them to go?” I shrieked. “It was an old guy and a family, for goodness’ sake. Was it necessary for them to destroy their poor old car?”

You know, it’s really not fair for us to let ignorant civilian asshats like that run around wild in the real world like that. Obviously, this doofus hasn’t opened a newspaper in years. She’s still stuck on stupid, living in a dreamworld where all the bad guys are wearing black hats and every lil’ old man is nothing but an innocent lil’ old man going on a Sunday drive. Now imagine the howls of outrage if the Blackwater folks had slowed down behind old putt-putt, a second car full of Hajis had pulled up behind them, boxed them in and proceeded to shoot the shit out of them.

You can’t have it both ways, twinkletoes. Either you pretend that it’s a perfectly peaceful area, in which case you can fucking well drive yourself around in a Prius, for all that we care, or you let the grownups who actually know what they’re doing handle your security for you.

My driver responded impassively: “Ma’am, we’ve been trained to view anyone as a potential threat. You don’t know who they might use as decoys or what the risks are. Terrorists could be disguised as anyone.”

“Well, if they weren’t terrorists before, they certainly are now!” I retorted. Sulking in my seat, I was stunned by the driver’s indifference.

I’m stunned that he didn’t pull over, throw you over his knee and give you a thorough paddling, lil’ missy, because that’s what I’d have done. I don’t care what we pay those guys to babysit those whiny toddlers, we’re not paying them nearly enough.

Janessa Gans, a visiting political science professor at Principia College, was a U.S. official in Iraq from 2003 to 2005.

We’re sending poli-sci professors into a war zone? What on Earth for? Haven’t the Iraqis suffered enough without those useless, lobotomized, non-productive, unemployable twits fouling up the air over there? What’s next? Hairdressers, telephone sanitizers and aromatherapists?

OK, that’s it. NOW I’m willing to entertain the notion that we’re abusing the Iraqis.

176 Responses to “OK Then. Send the Bitch Back, Only This Time WITHOUT Escort”
  1. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Can’t have people doing the job they were hired for. No, no, can’t have that.

  2. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    “Well, if they weren’t terrorists before, they certainly are now!” I retorted. Sulking in my seat, I was stunned by the driver’s indifference.

    She sulks?….Who over the age of 8 sulks?. oh yeah, liberals who aren’t in cell range of their therapist/naturopath/coven leader…

    I’ll bet she treated these guys like shit.

    Hey Sulky O’ Bitchnmoan, next time you find yourself employed as a “U.S. official” in Baghdad……DRIVE YOUR OWN SORRY ASS AROUND

  3. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Just goes to show that it doesn’t require a brain to be a professor, eh?

  4. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    If she didn’t like the ride…why didn’t she get out and walk…….

  5. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Any one else thinking of Col.Jessup?

    “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it.”

  6. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    We would careen around corners, jump road dividers, reach speeds in excess of 100 mph and often cross over to the wrong side of the street, oncoming traffic be damned.

    Sounds like a normal day at work for me, on an active claimant. The difference being all the junk and debris to dodge instead of IEDs.

    :em93:

  7. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    The same goes for the Congresscritters self-righteously condemning Blackwater. Any of ‘em that’s been to the sandbox on a “fact finding” tour have been guarded by Blackwater.

    Hypocrisy? Ingratitude?

    Nah, not from them. Never.

  8. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    While I can’t condone blackwater when they do wrong, we need not damn them all as evil. I think that they have a place, kind of like security guards, so that our military can try to eliminate the bad guys.

  9. LC Beaker Comment by LC Beaker

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    Janessa Gans, a visiting political science professor at Principia College

    Which brings me back to my comment in the last thread about the value of a college education. More often, it’s nothing more than leftist morons teaching others to be dim-witted leftist morons. Forget the Middle East. If we want to strengthen our country, maybe we should clean out our bastions of “higher learning” first.

  10. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    While I can’t condone blackwater when they do wrong…

    Mindy, that’s the thing. As far as I know there’s only been one incident of Balckwater misconduct. A contractor got drunk and killed a guy. He was immediately terminated and Blackwater cooperated fully with the DoJ investigation.

    Plain fact is that Blacwater has lost 32 employees KIA but never ONCE was any of their charges harmed in any way. To include the same fucknuggets like this bitch and the aforementioned Congresscritters now condemning them.

  11. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Then there’s this.

  12. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Touche‘, Crunchie. Gives the word ingrate a new and horrible meaning, doesn’t it?

  13. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    And you expected anything less from someone with a resume such as this, this, this, this, this & this?

    (There’s more. Just Google it.)

  14. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    Bush’s greatest failure was in not removing ALL of these Clintonista asshats before the end of January 2001.

  15. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Old Blackwater, keep on rolling

  16. BobF Comment by BobF

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    She would have gone over my knee quite nicely.

  17. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    We would careen around corners, jump road dividers, reach speeds in excess of 100 mph and often cross over to the wrong side of the street, oncoming traffic be damned.

    In other words, standard Third World driving procedures.

    The poor Iraqi driver frantically searched for a means of escape, but there was none. So the lead Blackwater vehicle smashed heedlessly into the car, pushing it into the barrier. We zoomed by too quickly to notice if anyone was hurt.

    And no one ever reported this or complained and nothing was done, either by Iraqi security or Coalition.

    Am I the only one noticing a lot of Beauchamp coming off this story?

  18. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    As far as I know there’s only been one incident of Balckwater misconduct.

    Then perhaps you can explain why the Iraqi government demanded that Blackwater leave the country. (Of course we proved that Iraq is not a sovereign country after all, since we pretty much told them to fuck themselves.)

    There are five other cases besides the September 16th case just this year.

    A few days ago I told you the Iraq war was a war for profit, and someone challenged me to “prove it”. I couldn’t believe how naive someone had to be not to clearly see it, but Blackwater et al is a prime example.

    If I am not mistaken, the average daily pay for an E5 is around $70 a day. The average pay for a security contractor is around $600 a day, or &180k a year. But that is not the cost to the taxpayer.

    Here’s how it worked in Zovko’s case: Blackwater added a 36 percent markup, plus its overhead costs, and sent the bill to a Kuwaiti company that ordinarily runs hotels. That company, Regency Hotel, tacked on its costs for buying vehicles and weapons and a profit and sent an invoice to a German food services company called ESS that cooked meals for the troops.

    ESS added its costs and profit and sent its bill to Halliburton , which also added overhead and a profit and presented the final bill to the Pentagon.

    The job of guarding our embassy personnel and state department officials used to be our military. NOW we have outsourced those jobs to generate profit for private industry.

    Here is the thing: Because of the profit motivation, there is no incentive by these contractors to end the war any time soon. In fact, it takes potential money away from their pockets if the conflicts were to wind down. Besides, what do they care — this is a gravy train for them. They don’t care about ‘winning the hearts and minds’ of anyone. But the people who have to pay for their indifference are our own military personnel.

    We have poured almost a half-trillion dollars into Iraq, with the lion’s share going towards contractors, NOT our military. This truly is a war for profit, using profiteers during a time of war.

  19. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    This bitch was typical fodder in 2003.
    My husband had to babysit these kinds of lefties and save their asses every time they insisted that they could “leave the compound on their own”.

    I wish the bitch had been in a cab over there, taken a wrong turn, and ended up burnt to death like the Blackwater guys in 2003..or was it 2004. Who in the MSM cares anymore–THEY(Blackwater) were the terrorists!!!!

    I don’t have a link to the photos of the dead Blackwater contractors, but who wants to see the work of terrorist pigs anyway? Oh, I’m sorry, I don’t want to give pigs a bad name. My cousins have a pig farm in Iowa. Sorry Lester!
    Can’t wait for the next roast!

    I am livid about this woman.
    Oh, by the way, her email address is:

    janessa.gans@prin.edu

    You might want to drop her a line. My husband, and several other THOUSANDS of contractors who risk their lives every day to protect her butt and the butts of Iraqis in “high places” would thank you.
    Google her too.
    Interesting fodder, and a glimpse of her Idiotarian Status.

    Thank you for bringing this to light, dear Emperor.
    Reality is a bitch isn’t it, dear Janessa?

  20. maxxpig Comment by maxxpig

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    http://users.rcn.com/sitzkrieg/war/
    In case any of you haven’t seen this by now.
    If you scroll down to ambush convoy you’ll get a glimpse of what it was like. This is pretty old so probaly within the time frame she was there.
    Cupid stunt! Badmouthing the people who kept you alive and wasting oxygen!

  21. Unregistered Comment by rstephens

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    DJ, “There are five other cases besides the September 16th case just this year.” Did you read your links? There is nothing there to support your conclusions. Your links said all of the incidents are under investigation. Who made you the judge, jury etc. As others have said you need to learn to read for comprehension.

  22. LC Robohobo Comment by LC Robohobo

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    DJ-

    I cannot begin to want to fisk what you had to say other than it seemed to start with the premise that ALL capitalism is WRONG and go downhill from there.

    Just because GM wants to make a buck or two on a hummer the that makes the ENTIRE Iraq a war profiteering exercise?

    The alternative is the Commintern, man. Maybe that is what the Left really wants, I suspect.

    Take your best shots or whatever, I am too tired tonight to care. Dealing with chronic pain is draining. I think that you can relate.

    The Hobo

  23. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    The job of guarding our embassy personnel and state department officials used to be our military. NOW we have outsourced those jobs to generate profit for private industry.

    And you can thank the “peace dividend” of the 1990s for that state of affairs, Deej. Clinton and the Democrats were hot to cut military spending because, with the USSR kaput, we supposedly didn’t need all that military power anymore…and besides, the private sector could supposedly handle certain combat support and service support missions much more cheaply than could the Pentagon and its record of six-hundred-dollar hammers. Or so claimed the Clintonistas and certain supporters in Congress, mostly Democrats.

    So, the budgetary knives came out, hacking away willy-nilly at both manpower and infrastructure. The Army was slashed from eighteen active-duty divisions to ten, and more of the burden of actively defending the country was placed on reserve and National Guard formations. The Air Force was chopped literally in half, from twenty-four to twelve fighter wings, with proportional cuts in transport and bomber aircraft. The Navy went from a 550-ship fleet to less than 300. And the DOD’s civilian support structure was slashed to the bone (along with many of the nation’s military bases), with many services once performed by uniformed personnel or DOD-employed civilians now being farmed out to private companies. Like, for instance, Haliburton and Blackwater. Because they could do the job more cheaply, right?

    And now, suddenly, the profit motive is now a problem? And now suddenly the Left is worried about not having enough soldiers to get the job done? Gosh, it would be nice to have three or four of those divisions back right now, wouldn’t it?

    But hey, who cares, Deej? You got your peace dividend. We also got a military that went from being able to fight two major wars at once in 1990…to a military that’s apparently strained to the limit fighting a brushfire insurgency in Iraq, and a government that apparently has to depend on the private sector to watch its back.

    Oh well…the way some of our uniformed military personnel have been screwed over by the JAG-offs, it’s no suprise that they’re going after Blackwater too…

  24. maxxpig Comment by maxxpig

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    DJ
    Five incidents out of how many escorts? Thousands,pal.
    What you heard from Iraqi pols was a kneejerk reaction playing to the press or just badmouthing us. They sure seemed to settle down when they realized Blackwater is protecting their asses too. Maybe they realized they were already fucking themselves!
    You can stick that sovereign nation bullshit arguement up your ass.

    How ya feeling, btw?

  25. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik

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    BobF

    If you’re going to spank that bitch, please do it with the narrow side of a ka-bar. “Progressive?” all I need to know. Chek the translation of her name in a German-English dictionary - truth in labeling.
    Which means whe’ll float on water instead of sinking. So….She’s a witch and what do we do with witches….?

  26. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Here is the thing: Because of the profit motivation, there is no incentive by these contractors to end the war any time soon. In fact, it takes potential money away from their pockets if the conflicts were to wind down. Besides, what do they care — this is a gravy train for them. They don’t care about ‘winning the hearts and minds’ of anyone. But the people who have to pay for their indifference are our own military personnel.

    That’s it. Fuck you DJ you pussy ass mother fucker.
    I’ll be back in TN in a few months Come say that shit to my face you cock smoker. I fucking DARE you.

  27. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    Hey, DJ, how about the POSITIVE stories about these contractors?
    The fact that they’ve saved thousands of lives doesn’t count?
    Who the hell do you think would volunteer to go to Iraq or any war torn country for FREE? NGO’s are paid salaries to go to Iraq, and many are dead because of it.
    Oh, I’m sorry, NGO means, “Non-Governmental-Organization. You know,
    “charity” organization.
    And by the way, those organizations get paid a salary. Sometimes a HUGE salary.

    Do you think that chit-chatting with the terrorists would have made them go away or act in a civil manner? Maybe the Blackwater employess should have stopped to have a conversation instead of shooting, then zipping away to protect their diplomat.
    How RUDE of them. Diplomacy at its WORST!!!!

    I understand that you, as an American, living in a FREE country, don’t understand what war really entails. You also couldn’t possibly understand the culture of another country that wants to take away your freedom.

    Do you realize that after the war “ended” in WWII that thousands of US men were killed in Nazi/terrorist retaliation?(for 4 years).
    What’s going on here is not new, but you would like to to THINK it is.

    Learn from history, DJ. REAL history.

    I suggest that you call up Janessa and take a trip to Iraq….My husband would be MORE than happy to accommodate you–for a price.
    After all, he doesn’t work for free(and I’m sure you don’t either).He has a legitimate job, even though YOU don’t see it that way. He saves lives.
    What the hell do you do that entails any kind of danger except bad words?
    pussy.

  28. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    DJ, “There are five other cases besides the September 16th case just this year.” Did you read your links? There is nothing there to support your conclusions. Your links said all of the incidents are under investigation. Who made you the judge, jury etc. As others have said you need to learn to read for comprehension.

    Have you lost your mind? It says that there are six total incidents that they are looking at. How much clearer does it have to be for you. Yes, they are “under investigation“. But the statement by Crunchie was that he only knew of one incident. I just said that there were six others being looked at for just the past year. Who knows how many others there are that have gone unreported?

    I cannot begin to want to fisk what you had to say other than it seemed to start with the premise that ALL capitalism is WRONG and go downhill from there.

    I am not against capitalism.

    I am constantly being reminded here that we are at WAR. Well, if we are at war, should someone be profiting because of this war?

    Just because GM wants to make a buck or two on a hummer the that makes the ENTIRE Iraq a war profiteering exercise?

    Did GM make a profit during the second world war? The answer to that is sadly yes. They not only built tanks for the American war effort, their Opel subsidiary was building JU-88 bombers for Nazi Germany.

    The alternative is the Commintern, man. Maybe that is what the Left really wants, I suspect.

    No, a war shouldn’t be there for the profit of corporations — which is exactly what this war in Iraq has been about. It is nothing more than a money-making venture dressed up with a fake banner of being part of a war on a tactic.

    If you were serious about fighting terrorism, we would do it without the need to line the pockets of corporations.

    And you can thank the “peace dividend” of the 1990s for that state of affairs, Deej. Clinton and the Democrats were hot to cut military spending because, with the USSR kaput, we supposedly didn’t need all that military power anymore…and besides, the private sector could supposedly handle certain combat support and service support missions much more cheaply than could the Pentagon and its record of six-hundred-dollar hammers. Or so claimed the Clintonistas and certain supporters in Congress, mostly Democrats.

    Horse Pussy. We didn’t have much of an armed forces when Japan attacked us on December 7, 1941. But we certainly mobilized and within months we were fielding an Army, Navy, and Marines. Everyone threw in and got things going, and we sacrificed to make it happen.

    We could have done the same thing right after 9/11.

    But here is another reality that nobody wants to admit: We did not need to go into Iraq. Even Dick Cheney had it right in 1992 when he said it would be too difficult to take Iraq — and that was WITH the eighteen active divisions you talked about.

    This time around we had barely a fraction of the coalition we had during the First Gulf War — and still Bush thought he could simply turn it over to private contractors and git ‘er done, using the oil revenues to pay for it.

    BZZZZT!

    All of the military experts at the time said we would need 600,000 troops to take and maintain control in Iraq. Those experts were quickly retired and silenced.

    Five incidents out of how many escorts? Thousands,pal.

    Six that we know of.

    And no, what we heard was the Iraqi government wanting the removal of a rogue contractor that answers to no one and is causing more problems than what is being solved.

    Here is a clue for you: If you are pissing off normal non-combative Iraqi citizens, how long will it be before they become combative?

    duh.

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    We would careen around corners, jump road dividers, reach speeds in excess of 100 mph and often cross over to the wrong side of the street, oncoming traffic be damned.

    And yet, no one guarded by Blackwater has ever been killed. Are they hiring retired stunt drivers or something?

  30. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Then perhaps you can explain why the Iraqi government demanded that Blackwater leave the country. (Of course we proved that Iraq is not a sovereign country after all, since we pretty much told them to fuck themselves.)

    We’ll be happy to leave. As soon as the Iraqis can guarantee our people’s safety at least at the same level that we can ourselves.

    We don’t send personnel, particularly not civilian personnel over there to serve as target practice for Hajis, we send them over there to do a specific job, which is to rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq so that the Iraqis can establish a safe, stable and prosperous democracy. And while they’re there, we like to make sure, as sure as we can, that they continue to exhibit vital signs since dead people are extremely inefficient.

    You wouldn’t seriously suggest, had the Nazis been more successful with their grandiose plans to establish a Nazi underground after the surrender, that we’d have handed over full control to them before the Nazis had been pacified, would you?

    But the Iraqis are doing a splendid job of getting there, with a little help from our troops in beating down and killing the more “restive” elements in Iraq. They’re doing better every day, every week more reports from over there speak of Iraqis running operations as opposed to us, and if we keep up the pressure, we’ll soon be able to hand the whole kaboodle back to them so that we can get on with other things. It’s taking longer than we’d like, but that has a lot to do with certain domestic elements doing whatever they can to put roadblocks in front of our progress while providing our enemies with all of the encouragement to keep on fighting that they could possibly ask for.

  31. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Whoa, CiSSnarl I completely forgot that you are a contractor over there….I’m sorry that you had to read that, stay safe and keep up the good work sir.

    so maybe we should turn those duties in Iraq over to the UN eh?….oh wait, people are still shooting over there.. That and the fact that starving African children will do ANYTHING for a scrap to eat. That must be why the UN considers Africa much more “fertile” ground for peacekeeping missions (if you catch my drift). I’d trust “eeeevil war profiteers” like Blackwater over the UN any day, at least I’d know that my children weren’t being buggered by blue helmet wearing “peace keepers”.

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    Let’s pull Blackwater and all contractors out of Iraq.
    NOW.

    And watch the exodus of the leaders of Iraq. Oops, I’m sorry, those leaders aren’t even in their own country. They’re in Jordan right now, DJ.
    Newsflash, that you won’t get from the MSM.

    DJ, you know SO little about what’s going on over there that you don’t even realize that most of the Iraqi Parliament isn’t even IN Iraq.

    And if they WERE, they would only be there if Blackwater was there to protect them.

    EVIL Blackwater. Men who leave their homes in the United States of America to make money for their families using the skills that they were trained to use.
    How horrible of them.
    Bastards.

    Hey, DJ, what do YOU do to protect/serve this country? Create Avatars?
    Wow.
    Those cartoons look like something that I drew in the 3rd grade.
    Man, you are Brilliant!!
    Thank God my LIFE doesn’t depend on people such as yourself.

  33. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Jaybear
    There are other security contractors besides Blackwater, and they have been hostile at Blackwater’s aggressiveness.

    I am pretty sure that contractor incidents (at least security) were classified until recently–incidents, fatalities, injuries. The current number probably greatly underestimates them.

    SNARL
    no ragging on you intended. Since you’re in Kuwait, I doubt you do much careening around Iraq.

    nerbygirl
    we’re not talking someone who dismembered children: burned alive. nice.

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    Dj, “Have you lost your mind? It says that there are six total incidents that they are looking at. How much clearer does it have to be for you. Yes, they are “under investigation“. But the statement by Crunchie was that he only knew of one incident. I just said that there were six others being looked at for just the past year. Who knows how many others there are that have gone unreported?”
    It says that there are six under investigation. That means that they are alleged, not that they are real. The Chrunch only knew of one because that is all that have happened beyond the alleged stage. “Unreported” Very good, you can make up as many as you need to fill out your bogus argument.
    Why do you hate the USA so much that you are always ready to believe the worst about us? If you dislike us so much why don’t you find a place more to your liking?

  35. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    People like DJ will never understand the sacrifice that is made by many, many people during a war.

    And neither did this woman, Janessa Gans, who was actually in Iraq. By the way, 2003 is NOT the same situation as 2007, dear Janessa….

    On her trip, 4 years ago, she was a passenger in a “cab”, never caring or worrying about the sacrifices made by her “drivers”.

    The world revolved around her world view, and the TRUE sacrifices of her “limo drivers” meant nothing to her.

    Like I said earlier, pull out Blackwater.
    Let’s watch the result.
    Good luck, Janessa, and anyone else who
    wants to “help” the Iraqis.
    I give you a day to live.
    Idiot.

  36. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    SNARL
    no ragging on you intended. Since you’re in Kuwait, I doubt you do much careening around Iraq.

    ***EDITED** HAVING ISSUE WITH MY ISP OVER HERE..Please replace post number 35

    No I do not go “careening around Iraq” You are right there. Driving in Kuwait is quite hair raising enough.

    I’m going to say something to DJ you and the rest of this board.

    There are people over here that would do the jobs I do for less.
    Sometimes people see something like BlackWater and they lump in the entire “contractor” community with thier actions.

    I’m never going to belive until the investigation is compelted that the BlackWater people fired without provocation. These are all ex Special Ops people, the same folks that everyone on this board gushes endlessly about when they are in uniform.

    Conversly myself and thousands of other Americans in Kuwait, Iraq, etc are all veterans, 99.9 percent of us have worn a uniform, some are even retirees.

    I tried to post another rebuttal to DJ but my ISP went flaky and that is lost but here it goes.

    In my case I make prety much a base and then a 35% differential thats a cost of living allowance, a danger allowance, called hostile fire pay.

    Do people in Kuwait deserve it, I’m not so sure we do, however I don’t write the contracts, being that we are a central hub for none other than the US 3rd Army and Iran is a scant 25 kliks across the water, yeah perhaps we do. I leave that up to the politicians and the government to decide.

    Sounds like a lot doesn’t it?
    Newsflash: did I not work 60 hours a week and more the entire year I would not of broke 100K or just barely.
    That is how low our base salaries are to come over here.

    “Well maybe you dont have the qualifications” will most likely be the next spew from DJ….I have partially completed my degree and in addition I have a list of certification in my given field, that would easily command more salary, a lot more in the US. I

  37. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    :em98: :em98:

    Editing is not working very well BTW. Probably related to my ISP but what I wanted to add to my post was:

    Deej and others in the US can point the finger all they want at us greedy contractors, the fact of the matter is:

    Most do not make much more than the market rate for whatever field they come over for. In my case as a manager for my task I make about what a IT managment type would make pre .com bubble implosion…which was 7 years ago. My base is a paltry mid 50k a year. We make money on the fact that until a certain threshold we do not pay Federal Income tax. Once that threshold is reached however bend over it’s taxed at the full rate of someone makeing 150k a year. or around 40%. As I mentioned above I get what are called “uplifts” and I work a shit load of OT as well which BTW I do not get time and a half for.

    I’ve lived through Scuds being launched at me, I’ve donned Chemical suits, I’ve hunkered in bunkers, and sat a redlight, the same redlight a jihadi slithered out from under a rock, stood up with an AK and killed a fellow contractor in cold blood. I’ve woke up to the sounds of full auto rock and roll when the Kuwaiti’s cleaned up a nest of vipers. I’ve shipped a close friend home in a flag draped box after a horrific traffic accident, and I’ve had Arabs look at me while driving and then try to run me off the road and been forced into evasive driving manuvers.

    I see my wife and kids for 6 weeks a year, 8 if I can afford to fly her over here…. thank god she supports my devotion.

    Greeedy? Not hardly, I and thousands of others do what we do because the job needs done, not because we’re making so much money.

    In fact and especially for DJ, I have a slot open right now, I need a Systems Admin with web experience, for you it would be childs play. Put your money where your mouth is and come on over hotshot.

    You know so much about us contractors and how much we make and were doing it in a war for profit…put your money where your mouth is or shut the hell up about it because you aint got a god damned clue one about it.

    Anyone? Anyone? Deej?

    *Chirp*
    I thought so.

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    CiSSnarl5.7, Not ony does DJ not know what is happening where you are, he doesn’t seem to have a very good grasp of what is happening here either. He is some kind of legend in his own mind though. Taking on the big boys and thrashing them every night. Don’t take him to seriously. He is more entertainment than a serious comentator. I haven’t seen him put a logical argument together yet. Good luck over there and thanks a bunch to you and your wife for here support too!

  39. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Check the translation of her name in a German-English dictionary - truth in labeling.

    :lol: I should’ve known that you would catch it, Rurik.

  40. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SNARL
    Much of Blackwater is mercenaries (obviously not the security). I never considered them like the other contractors, although not every one thinks like me (regrettably!). Plus I read about them in the spring and have a book on them, so they stand out to me. They were big campaign contributers to Bush. It may be fine for everyone else here, but a group of Christian Right mercenaries creeps me out, especially when they are starting to operate within the US.

    I’m sorry you work so many hours.

    I don’t know what I’m talking about and normally would not post. Is it possible that the BW guys considered themselves cowboys above the law?

  41. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    nerbygirl
    Pull out Blackwater. There are several other contracting firms providing security that would be less reckless. I don’t know why you think everything would come to a grinding halt.

    I hope your husband stays safe.

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    Pull out Blackwater. There are several other contracting firms providing security that would be less reckless. I don’t know why you think everything would come to a grinding halt.

    Here’s a lesson a lot don’t even think about when it comes to contracting especially in regards to companies like BlackWater and firms like Haliburton.

    There is NO way the war could of been prosecuted with out them. NONE. The Military does not have the logistical and manpower to do it. It hasn’t for years. See other posts in this thread about why that is so. I’m not getting into the argument of who is to blame for this situation. Politcal reality at the time that the military was cut is and was simple we had no threats to contend with or so the prevailing wisdom was at that time.

    Companies like BW and Haliburton are dart boards for the left, they scream and wail and gnash thier teeth endlessly because they get “no bid” contracts, they were owned by Dick Cheny, they are Mecanaries, they are this they are that…

    Fact of the matter is these companies are highly specialised as a result of military drawdowns, and as such are the ONLY ones qualified to support the U.S. Military on the level that the military needs to be supported.

    They are the only one with the resources, the people, and the technical expertise to pull it off on the massive scales that the Military demands. END OF DISCUSSION.

    It would take YEARS for other companies to even come close to be able to perform at the levels these companies perform, and that is fact.

    While librals like Deej scream from the roof tops about Cheny and Halliburton I’ll never understand, because as I look out of the rather blue waters of the Arabian Gulf it dawns on me that while not perfect they are as blue only because of the fact it was an American company that stemed the oil well fires and headed off an ecological disaster in the 90’s… put into motion by none other then Saddam himself when he set fire to damn near ever well in this country. That company was Halliburton.

    Terrorists blew up a fruit stand in Iraq? People maimed and in need of medical care? Who do you think got the drugs, the surgical supplies, the medical equipment into Iraq? Halliburton.

    Saddam left millions of acres mined, there’s tons of UXE just laying around, who do you think is up there cleaning that little mess up for the Iraqis? It must be a explosives expert with a uniform Right?..nope try again a sub contractor to…. Haliburton.

    Johnnie Jihad blow up a pipeline…oils spilling contimainating hudreds of acres, who’s cleaning that up? A contractor that’s who, military is busy fighting a war they don’t have time to clean up Johnnies Mess…

    Bitch about us all you want…we really don’t care, fact of the matter is the left ain’t see nothing when it comes to what this war COULD of been like had it not been for hundreds of thousands of US civilians willing to risk life and limb to support the military.
    The “Limited warfare” meme this whole war is based on is directly related to the US Military being able to make almost pin point strikes, and destroy the head of the snake.
    And they are able to do that because they get to focus on what they do best fighting and not worrying about logistical issues, and beans and bullets.

    Try this same war with out a strong private sector helping out and you are either going to see US Casulties 4 x’s the amount we currently have or your going to see a smoking hole where Iraq USED to be…

    That’s your choices. Choose wisely.

  43. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Mostly I try to avoid threads filled with asshattery, but this one stands out…

    DJ couldn’t possibly believe a fraction of his own tendentious, prejudicial nonsense. Psychochick- tossing out words like ‘mercenary’, doesn’t have a functioning neuron to speak of; They’ve given to Adolph Chimpler’s campaign, they’re self-identified Christians (ONOZ!!1!! They must want to oppress me!1!!)…you do the math…they’re ‘reckless’, pull ‘em out.

    How ’bout STFU?

    Nothing- that is, for the non-impaired among us, and those not fully intellectually invested in straw-man and Tu Quoque diversionary tactics- has been adjudicated yet in re: Blackwater…

    So, if it’s not to much to ask, please show your fellow Americans the most basic respect of waiting until the case has been heard before you pronounce them- in your infinite ignorance- to be ‘reckless’, and to insist that they be pulled out in order to appease the delicate sensibilites of people similarly predisposed to hysterical prejudice…

  44. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Darth
    “Much of Blackwater is mercenaries (obviously not the security).”

    Maybe you should get some functioning neurons and learn to read more carefully. I did not say the security forces in Iraq were mercenaries. Blackwater has a force of mercenaries ready if need be, but not in Iraq.

    I was responding to a post that said things would fall apart if we pulled them out. I generally do not advocate pulling them all out–isn’t this place full of hyperbole?

    Reckless (the company): oh, I don’t know–killing a guard for the Iraqi VP in the Green Zone after a party? got the impression it was usually pretty quiet in the Green Zone. Other contractors hate them for being so reckless and putting the other individuals at risk. There are a number of other cases. It’s not just this one.

    I have never made any Hitler or chimp comparisons to Bush–go fuck yourself. I don’t make those kind of childish comparisons to anybody.

    In the meantime, don’t tell me to shut the fuck up–I’ll put a voodoo curse on you! (Damn, now I have to learn voodoo)

    I don’t care about the religious beliefs of the contractors. It’s their business. What concerns me is when a powerful company specializing in war has a religious agenda.

    This is a company that worked in New Orleans and charged the government $950 a day for each person who worked. I understand great concern for our troops, and that there a lot of contractors working in war zones at great danger, also. However, I don’t understand the love for Blackwater when there are other companies out there.

    Is this comparable to criticizing a soldier? Is that what’s going on? I have a couple ex-military relatives. It’s not like I hate the military (even if I didn’t have any relatives)

    Also, you should work on your spelling and sentence structure–not very impressive. Oh, but that’s right, I’m the ignorant one.

  45. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    The left screams about contractors and BlackWater…mean while in the REAL world….

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2604119.ece

    Yet somehow leftist morons give a pass to this “journalist” and the rag he writes for; they know damn well that if the subject of this expose meets his goal, 20-30 50..100 who know’s how many people are going to die.

    Go BlackWater, live up to your mecanary accusations & kill as many of these mudering savages as you can, and as the SF mantra says…”kill em all & let god sort em out”.

    F.E.T.E.

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  47. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    ESS added its costs and profit and sent its bill to Halliburton , which also added overhead and a profit and presented the final bill to the Pentagon

    As someone with a significant number of shares in Halliburton, if they didn’t do this I would be more livid than Spats in the heart of a Troll Swarm™ ;-)

    I’m positive Halliburton is a very efficient and productively run enterprise. After all, they do have a legacy of superstar CEO’s whose influence lives on in perpetuity. And his influence also trickles down (A GREAT expression - thanks Ronnie) to the entire company. :em58:

    I (heart) Halliburton! And so do many others - exhibited by their many groupies! :em69:

  48. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    However, I don’t understand the love for Blackwater when there are other companies out there.

    Yeah I know it gets boring to only have one Contractor in the news for you guys to bitch about, when there are bunches more the Left can be shitting their panties over.

    It makes no difference whether Blackwater pulls out or not. The media will latch onto another Eeeevil Capitalist “Mercenary” Contractor™ and you guys will be saying the EXACT same thing. If it’s an American company you’re going to bitch like hell over it. If anyone gets a paycheck out of this, they’re bad. If they get hazard pay, they’re bad.

    We didn’t have much of an armed forces when Japan attacked us on December 7, 1941. But we certainly mobilized and within months we were fielding an Army, Navy, and Marines. Everyone threw in and got things going, and we sacrificed to make it happen.

    We had as much of an Armed Forces that was required at the time. We also had leaders that actually loved this country and didn’t piss their diapers every time a Soldier walked within 500 feet of them. When we were attacked they managed to keep their balls attached and let our country do it’s job and kick ass. We found out what we could do when the gloves are taken off, and we weren’t hog tied with that damned political correctness.

    Oh..and don’t forget…those companies and factories, and contractors were able to do what they did because …*gasp*…THEY WERE GETTING PAID along with being fighting mad about our being attacked. Did you think they produced all those planes, ammunition, and ships out of thin air?? Many companies that exist now were started during WW2 because they could MAKE A PROFIT to keep producing, researching, growing and hiring.

    Now…the gloves are not only superglued to our hands…the Left is feverishly attempting to amputate what resources and abilities we have left that they haven’t used Congress to strip away. Damn good thing these pussies didn’t have any outlet back in 1941 that would have demanded that we just sit down and have tea with Hitler and Tojo. We’d have been fucked out the ass before New Years.

    Gawd.. Leftoid Broken Record Bleating pisses me off.
    I’m going back to my Michael Buble’ and Big Bad Voodoo Daddies and the Left can kiss my ass.

  49. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    This is a company that worked in New Orleans and charged the government $950 a day for each person who worked.

    A strawman argument from someone who obviously has never had to deal with contractual services for large-scale, quick response operations. You have no idea what it costs to train, certify and, most importantly, pay to keep highly-trained disaster response professionals. That “$950 a day” go to cover things like “food, water, transportation, housing, salary & benefits” (And those “benefits” can be up to 55% of a person’s total compensation.) It also goes to pay for the company having to keep track of all of the above-mentioned things, as well as where and what their personnel are doing. Those are called “administrative costs” that are tacked on to everything that anybody does. (Ever wonder why it costs $45 for a Tylenol® caplet at a hospital?)

    Hell, the next time a hurricane hits anywhere near me, I’m buying a large, hi-side trailer and a few chainsaws and heading there. Every swingin’ dick in the state with a trailer with plywood sides was raking in HUGE bucks back in 2004. Some of the guys were making well over $5,000 PER DAY hauling limbs to holding areas.

  50. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    A strawman argument from someone who obviously has never had to deal with contractual services for large-scale, quick response operations. You have no idea what it costs to train, certify and, most importantly, pay to keep highly-trained disaster response professionals. That “$950 a day” go to cover things like “food, water, transportation, housing, salary & benefits” (And those “benefits” can be up to 55% of a person’s total compensation.) It also goes to pay for the company having to keep track of all of the above-mentioned things, as well as where and what their personnel are doing. Those are called “administrative costs” that are tacked on to everything that anybody does. (Ever wonder why it costs $45 for a Tylenol® caplet at a hospital?)

    Bingo….Liberals caterwaul endlessly about Haliburton, Blackwater, Raytheon, Etc etc…the fact of the matter is simple; These companies get these contracts for one simple reason, they are able to meet the very exacting demands of a mobile and fast moving military. Who else is going to do it? Progressive Insurance? Maybe Starbucks can eh?

    For example; in the early 90’s When Saddam lit off the oil wells in Kuwait, the entire REGION was threatened with an ecological disaster of unequaled proportions. It would of made the Exxon Valdez spill look like a drop of water in the ocean by comparison.

    There was ONE company in the entire WORLD, with the logistical ability, technical expertise, and deep enough number of employees to head that off. They did it and averted a ruined eco structure in the Arabian gulf that would of lasted for DECADES.

    That company was subcontracted to none other than Haliburton and KBR. But thier the bad guys because they made a profit on it…. and the left WHINES …”ohhhhhh those terrible contractors” :em98: Newflash to the species known as moonbaticus asshattius…..While they were “stealing oil, and raping the taxpayers coffers” …..They saved your precious Mother Ghia you fucking morons now shut the fuck up and go play in traffic will you?!

    Two years ago due to heavy losses Haliburton announced it was SCALING back operations in Iraq, Know why? Because they were LOOSING money in the deal. War for profit? My ass!

    But lets look further into this shall we?

    Johhnie Jihad’s got a bomb strapped to his chest and blows up a fruit stand in Iraq, there are 100 casulties, and the local hosital is being over run with life threatening injuries, guess where that local hospital is getting it’s supplies from? Who’s going to take the risk to truck all that into Iraq, Military can’t do it, Halliburton and KBR that’s who.

    Lets go further, Johhny Jihad just pickled off an IED next to a pipeline, oil’s spilled over the size of 10 football fields and threatens fraigle marshlands, (which btw the evil capitisitc contractors helped to fix in Iraq after Saddamn drained them and ruined the EcoSystems, it’ll take an estimated 20-30 years for them to return to normal but at least it’s a start.)
    Who’s going to clean that mess up?
    We do it. That’s who, you can’t leave the stuff to ooze into the ground it’ll kill everything for a mile and ruin the water table, it has to be contained and cleaned up.

    IED and UXE laying all over the place, warehouses full of the shit ..it all has to be disposed of…mine fields, toxic waste sites…who’s cleaning that mess up ? CONTRACTORS, US Contractors and they aint getting rich doing it.

    Don’t hear a peep about those WMD facitlites that Saddamn still had do you? Nope, NEWS FLASH: Those sites weather they contain WMDS or not, are still very dangerous places..guess who’s cleaning it up? US CONTRACTORS. You going to trust an untrained Iraqi to do it? He’ll be dead in a week because he either blew his stupid ass up for being careless or he disregarded saftey procedures and sucked up a nice lung full of toxic fumes.

    The list goes on and on and on, those are just examples of what I KNOW to be true because I’m here and I have freinds that do it, War for profit… yeah right, we’re all over here laughing our way to the fucking bank every day with arm fulls of cash cackleing like Scrooge fucking McDuck.. :em96:

  51. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    That company was subcontracted to none other than Haliburton and KBR. But thier the bad guys because they made a profit on it…. and the left WHINES …”ohhhhhh those terrible contractors” :em98:

    Liberal: n. (See also: Communist, Socialist, Crybaby and Leech) — Somebody who spends his entire life in perpetual outrage because somebody, somewhere might be making a buck. In case the individual making the buck is determined, the L. will then spend every waking hour demanding that it be taken away from him and given to somebody else, most often the L. himself.

  52. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    We’ll be happy to leave. As soon as the Iraqis can guarantee our people’s safety at least at the same level that we can ourselves.

    Blackwater isn’t “We”. Neither is any number of other contractors out there.

    Doesn’t the fact that “our people” cannot safely travel around Baghdad belie the meme that everything is going swell over there?

    We don’t send personnel, particularly not civilian personnel over there to serve as target practice for Hajis, we send them over there to do a specific job, which is to rebuild the infrastructure of Iraq so that the Iraqis can establish a safe, stable and prosperous democracy.

    Well, maybe we shouldn’t be sending them at all. The Iraqis built the place all by themselves, and I am sure they would love the opportunity to go back to work and do it again — for themselves. Unfortunately, this is a money-maker for various companies and they see nothing but padded profits paid for by We the Taxpayers.

    And you all call yourself fiscally Conservative?

    Forty cents out of every dollar we appropriate for Iraq is going towards private security. You wouldn’t fund SCHIP to include more children for five years, but you would spend that same amount of money to pay for forty days of mercenaries to do the job that used to be left up to our own troops?

    You wouldn’t seriously suggest, had the Nazis been more successful with their grandiose plans to establish a Nazi underground after the surrender, that we’d have handed over full control to them before the Nazis had been pacified, would you?

    Are you suggesting that the tactics Blackwater uses are pacifying the Iraqis? I think it is probably having the opposite effect, and putting our own troops in harms way and making their job even harder.

    For ever two steps we take in the right direction, Blackwater can undo it and take us back a step just through their arrogance.

    Remember for a moment that this country belongs to the Iraqis, not us. If it isn’t safe to transport our “personnel” around without running Iraqis over, firing automatic weapons into crowds in lieu of using the horn, and ramming cars and running them off the road just because we feel we have the right-of-way, then maybe those “personnel” shouldn’t be there.

    We didn’t use Blackwater to handle any lingering Nazis looking to go underground. I should also remind you that the entire second World War didn’t go on as long as this debacle has.

    They’re doing better every day, every week more reports from over there speak of Iraqis running operations as opposed to us, and if we keep up the pressure, we’ll soon be able to hand the whole kaboodle back to them so that we can get on with other things.

    Sure, maybe in the bubble known as the “green zone”. But they still have less electricity than they had prior to the invasion, cholera is up all over the country, and you still can’t get personnel from point A to point B without pissing off the locals or even killing them for being in the way.

    That’s it. Fuck you DJ you pussy ass mother fucker.
    I’ll be back in TN in a few months Come say that shit to my face you cock smoker. I fucking DARE you.

    I am supposed to travel over to Tennessee just to tell you that the company you work for shouldn’t be over there over-charging us taxpayers for something we already pay a large part of our federal treasure for? After all, that is why we have the best military in the world, you know.

    Besides, I am not the one who has his tail in a kink and I am under no patriotic obligation to “Support the Contractors”.

    Tell me you aren’t over there for the money, hero. Because if it wasn’t for the money, you would have either re-enlisted, or stayed home, and in both cases proves my point that you are over there to capitalize on a ‘war effort’ and not some “patriotic mumbo jumbo” that you are ‘doing your part to fight terrorism’.

    Besides, my comments were mainly directed towards the contracting companies themselves, since THEY are the ones who are really profiting in this thing. The idea that contractors couldn’t be held responsible for their actions by any law makes you accountable to no one. That is a recipe for abuse — and there has been some abuse.

    Hey, DJ, how about the POSITIVE stories about these contractors?
    The fact that they’ve saved thousands of lives doesn’t count?

    I am not saying that these contractors haven’t done some good things. They have probably done a LOT of good things. But all it takes is a few BAD things to negate all the good that has happened. It’s that way with everything.

    We are supposed to be over there to win. Most of that is to win the hearts and minds of the people there, because without that, you cannot succeed. You need them on board.

    Now if you have a few rogue cowboy contractors who don’t answer to anyone or any law, and their actions continually piss off the locals, then you are working against the effort.

  53. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Blackwater isn’t “We”. Neither is any number of other contractors out there.

    They are to me, as are anybody else working to further our (there’s that first person plural again) national interests. But, then again, I’ve always been a team player.

    Doesn’t the fact that “our people” cannot safely travel around Baghdad belie the meme that everything is going swell over there?

    Things are going swell because they’re over there. Or would you say that the presence of firemen “belies the meme” that a fire is under control? Perhaps we should just abandon fire departments, since houses obviously burn even though we have them? It’s a quagmire, I tell you, and don’t believe the corporate lies that they’re doing good, because if everything was so wonderful, we wouldn’t need fire departments. Damn corporate bloodsucking bastards!

    Well, maybe we shouldn’t be sending them at all. The Iraqis built the place all by themselves, and I am sure they would love the opportunity to go back to work and do it again — for themselves.

    As they will be given every opportunity to as soon as they’re ready. Because the last time they “built the place all by themselves”, they did it so “well” that we had to come halfway around the world to fix the mess. Twice.

    Unfortunately, this is a money-maker for various companies and they see nothing but padded profits paid for by We the Taxpayers.

    Of course. We’re only in Iraq in order to create jobs for Halliburton. Heck, if it wasn’t for Iraq, contractors just plain wouldn’t exist, they’d all be down at the local unemployment office or soup kitchen begging for scraps. Which, as we all know, would be so much better for everybody :lol:

    Forty cents out of every dollar we appropriate for Iraq is going towards private security. You wouldn’t fund SCHIP to include more children for five years, but you would spend that same amount of money to pay for forty days of mercenaries to do the job that used to be left up to our own troops?

    The jobs that our own troops don’t have the resources and manpower to do, thanks to the Klintoons’ corporate downsizing of the military that they both hate. You forgot that. As to SCHIP, you’re damn right. I may have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night. I know a slow transition to nationalized “health”care when I see one.

    Are you suggesting that the tactics Blackwater uses are pacifying the Iraqis? I think it is probably having the opposite effect, and putting our own troops in harms way and making their job even harder.

    Still not tired of the “fighting terrorists will only make them angry” bull, or are you now transitioning to the argument that there would be no terrorism in the world if it wasn’t for Blackwater honking at unsuspecting Iraqi motorists?

    Remember for a moment that this country belongs to the Iraqis, not us.

    In the long run, yes. For now, not so much. We didn’t invest billions in treasure and gallons in spilt blood just so we could hand it all back and let it go to Hell once again. We don’t want to have to come back in another ten years, you know. PLUS we want to make sure that the stuff that got broken during the war is fixed before we hand it back.

    If it isn’t safe to transport our “personnel” around without running Iraqis over, firing automatic weapons into crowds in lieu of using the horn, and ramming cars and running them off the road just because we feel we have the right-of-way, then maybe those “personnel” shouldn’t be there.

    Wasn’t very safe to be in the vicinity of Carentan in ‘44, nor were the beaches of Iwo all that safe to wander around on a bit later. I suppose those personnel shouldn’t have been there either.

    We didn’t use Blackwater to handle any lingering Nazis looking to go underground. I should also remind you that the entire second World War didn’t go on as long as this debacle has.

    Of course we didn’t use Blackwater or anybody like them. That’s because we didn’t have to. We had all the personnel we needed, you see, because we didn’t have to deal with some clown destroying our military and we didn’t have to deal with half of Congress objecting and playing interference for the enemy every time we needed to commission as much as a tugboat.

    Sure, maybe in the bubble known as the “green zone”. But they still have less electricity than they had prior to the invasion, cholera is up all over the country, and you still can’t get personnel from point A to point B without pissing off the locals or even killing them for being in the way.

    And they don’t have nationalized healthcare or midnight basketball either! Really, you shouldn’t strain yourself so much with those goalposts. It can’t possibly be good for you.

    I am supposed to travel over to Tennessee just to tell you that the company you work for shouldn’t be over there over-charging us taxpayers for something we already pay a large part of our federal treasure for? After all, that is why we have the best military in the world, you know.

    It’s still the best, it’s just not big enough anymore, thanks to you-know-who.

  54. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ

    We didn’t use Blackwater to handle any lingering Nazis looking to go underground. I should also remind you that the entire second World War didn’t go on as long as this debacle has.

    your grasp of history needs work man, WW2 started in 1939…1935 if you count the Spanish Civil War….1918 if you count the damage done by the Treaty of Versailles.

    We’ve been at this since 2001, we’ve been in Iraq since 2003. The irhabis have been attacking us since 1972.

    Forty cents out of every dollar we appropriate for Iraq is going towards private security. You wouldn’t fund SCHIP to include more children for five years,

    I was wondering when you were going to dredge up that DNC talking point.

    We are supposed to be over there to win. Most of that is to win the hearts and minds of the people there, because without that, you cannot succeed. You need them on board.

    So when did you come to the conclusion that we are supposed to win over there? I thought this was all for profit?

    as for winning hearts and minds, do you mean like this:
    waterboy

    or this:
    happy iraqis

    or this:
    waving kids

  55. Templar_Knight Comment by Templar_Knight

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    DJ, youre the best example of why this country has the problems it does. You talk alot of shit about wanting to “win”. But youre nowhere near willing to do what it takes to “win”.

    Your type would deball our troops and cuff them to their bunks to “save face” in the name of political correctness, than cry, bitch and point fingers when the war isnt won in your preselected timeframe.

    Its too bad we dont know when or where terrorists will strike in advance, so we could at least clear out the conservatives and children before hand.

  56. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Tell me you aren’t over there for the money, hero. Because if it wasn’t for the money, you would have either re-enlisted, or stayed home, and in both cases proves my point that you are over there to capitalize on a ‘war effort’ and not some “patriotic mumbo jumbo” that you are ‘doing your part to fight terrorism’.

    Ok I’ll tell your dumb ass gladly. Consider yourself told.

    Factoid: *graps a bright red crayon so DEEJ can understand this* I had C-A-N-C-E-R in 2001, In fact I was under follow up treatment the day the towers came down.
    I was on the phone with a Navy Recruiter the same week, and he outright told me, “No sir I’m sorry, you’re offer while deeply apperciated by the Navy is not going to fly, you’ve had cancer. That makes you ineleigble”.

    Factoid: I’m going on my 5TH year over here ..if I was making that much money I would of cashed out long ago, adjusted for inflation my salary would not even equal what someone of my background would have made before the .dot com bubble imploded, 7 FUCKING years ago.

    Factoid: I’ve done it for less. My first contract over here I made a base of 54k and I got A 900 Dollar a month living allowance, and no hazard pay, with OT which was NOT paif at time and a half my first year here I made a staggering 78,000.00 before SSI. That’s when the Scuds were flying and a contracotr got his head blown off less than a mile from where I worked by a terrorist.

    Here for the money? Hardly, do I make more than I would in the US, yes but it’s hardly worth the SACRIFIC and the RISK I live with day in and day out.

    Patriotic Mumbo Jumbo…how dare you…You sir have lost at least one who semi respected you and your positions on this board, your true colors have been flown and they bleed yellow with cowardice, and green with jealousy. I have no further use for you. Good day.

  57. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    I should also remind you that the entire second World War didn’t go on as long as this debacle has

    Yeah, in that shorter time we also had more than 100 times the body count. But it was shorter, that’s all that matters. Right?

    I suppose you would cheer on Bush if he quintupled the troops on the ground there, and accepted atrociously high casulties so we could fit into the Nazi’s defeat timeline?

    That’s about as good an argument as claiming your doctor is a quack because he wouldn’t remove your brain (I’ll leave THAT alone) and thus you have to feel the discomfort of your missing rib Adam. :em99:

    To go down this pathetic road shows you are either dumber than dirt, or so cynically disingenuous you have plummeted to the Clinton, Harkin, Reid, etc level. Up until recently I always would have argued the latter but you take Stoooooooooooopid to abysmally new depths on a daily basis now.

    Either way, by even writing that bilge you show incredible contempt for anyone reading it.

  58. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik

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    I just a simple barbarian, who uses simple reasoning and experience to cut through the fog. I’ve learned that whenever I hear the Liberals yelling and screaming, :em95: it is because one of their targets has escaped their trap and is doing serious and effective damage to them in return. :em94:

    Halliburton? :em69: Blackwater? :em69: The USMC? :em69: Dick Cheney? :em69: Rush Limbaugh? :em69: the Emperor Misha I? :em69: LC Jackboot? :em69: Clarence Thomas? :em69: :em69: Mercenaries? (You say that like its a bad thing?) :em69: :em69:
    The sound of Liberal outraged shreiks is a lullaby. The louder the shreiks, the sounder I sleep. :em94:

  59. Unregistered Comment by Maxine

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    Longtime lurker; first time to comment.

    DJ,
    I think you may have finally shit in your own cereal bowl with your coments on this thread.

    By the way, do something about that avatar you use. It is sick, self-centered and defeatist—not at all appropriate for Emperor Misha’s web site.

  60. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Why’re they raggin’ so much on mercenaries anyhoo?

    If not for mercenaries, there’d be no al’qaeda..

    Unfortunate comparison there.

  61. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Rurik
    If you’re a simple barbarian, I’m an amoeba. I think it depends on how the mercenaries are treated. Supplementing our fighting forces should be a good thing, but when all of the information about their performance is classified, that troubles me.

    There are traps now? I just thought there were differences of opinion. I only shriek when I’m attacked. I could send you a tape of my shrieking, if that would help you sleep better. Although I’m not much of a shrieker–only when startled.

    SNARL
    Terribly sorry about your cancer. I had said that my comments had nothing to do with you. I made one comment about contractors a long time ago and was told that their expertise was really helpful to the troops. I know it’s dangerous, although I didn’t realize it was so dangerous in Kuwait.

    So with all of the contracting in Iraq, it’s evil to complain about one company that has less than 1000 employees there? There are 170 private security firms in Iraq–surely some of them are high quality. I don’t go around complaining about contractors in general, nor have I complained about the other companies. I had questions about the start of the war, but now that it exists, have consistently supported our presence there.

    BC
    I stand corrected on my opinion.

  62. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    CiSSnarl I logged on periodically through out the day while I was at work trying to follow how this thread was going and Deej had me madder than a eunuch at an orgy, but I see that there is nothing, and I mean NOTHING that I could say that would come remotely close to the righteous slap down you have given. Bravo!

    I don’t think I’ve said it before, and if I have it was probably inadequate, but thanks for all the fine work you are doing to support our mission over there. I for one appreciate your sacrifices for the war effort.

  63. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Crunchie sez:

    I don’t think I’ve said it before, and if I have it was probably inadequate, but thanks for all the fine work you are doing to support our mission over there. I for one appreciate your sacrifices for the war effort.

    That goes for me too, I was going to apply a little torque to DJ for the war profiteer comment…but you said it oh so much better.

    Stay safe over there. If you’re home next summer..it’s a short ride from Tennessee to Southern Pennsylvania. That’s where I’ll be next August…walking Gettysburg, I always welcome company when I’m tracking those old ghosts around.

  64. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Things are going swell because they’re over there.

    Not if you have to ride around in armored vehicles at high rates of speed and to hell with ANYone who happens to be going about their business.

    Perhaps we should just abandon fire departments, since houses obviously burn even though we have them?

    You talk about fire in the same sentence as that strawman argument?

    The issue is the privatization and profiteering of this war. To use your fireman argument, the fire department isn’t privatized.

    Why should we have to pay ten times the amount to get the same service we would get from our own military?

    That company was subcontracted to none other than Haliburton and KBR. But thier the bad guys because they made a profit on it…. and the left WHINES …”ohhhhhh those terrible contractors” :em98:

    You don’t get it, do you? It isn’t so much that there is A contractor, who pays a person to do the job, then marks up that cost to collect a small profit. It’s where the government contract with A contractor, who then hires another contractor, who hires yet another contractor who actually supplies the worker.

    So the worker gets paid say, $150 a day, the employer tacks on say, another $50 and charges the other contractor $200 for that worker, and THAT contractor tacks on $150 and bills the next contractor $350, and the contractor that contracted with the government adds another $200 to the cost and bills the government for $550 per day for $500 of “administrative costs” which translates to pure profit.

    Something is very wrong with that picture. We pay the average E5 roughly $70 per day to do the same job.

    Liberal: n. (See also: Communist, Socialist, Crybaby and Leech) — Somebody who spends his entire life in perpetual outrage because somebody, somewhere might be making a buck. In case the individual making the buck is determined, the L. will then spend every waking hour demanding that it be taken away from him and given to somebody else, most often the L. himself.

    Kinda strange, since I am a Liberal, I make comfortable living, and don’t have a real problem with people making money. I have even been known to give money to Conservatives who need it, without ever asking for anything in return.

    And they don’t have nationalized healthcare or midnight basketball either! Really, you shouldn’t strain yourself so much with those goalposts. It can’t possibly be good for you.

    Moving the goal posts? You were tellng me how much progress there has been and I merely pointed out two fairly important areas where there has been no real progress on.

    It’s still the best, it’s just not big enough anymore, thanks to you-know-who.

    Okay, so Bush has been in office almost as long as Clinton was. Notice how he hasn’t done a fucking thing to increase the size of our military? If it was all that important, doncha think he would have reconstituted the military? You can’t blame it on the Democrats either. Republicans had both the Congress and the White House and could have pushed the entire thing though within months of 2001.

    So blame Clinton is getting weaker by the month.

    your grasp of history needs work man, WW2 started in 1939…1935 if you count the Spanish Civil War….1918 if you count the damage done by the Treaty of Versailles.

    I was talking about our involvment in it. Sure, you could go back to the Crusades if you want to.

    I was wondering when you were going to dredge up that DNC talking point.

    Well, it did seem appropriate. I don’t know where it is exclusively a DNC talking point — it seems that a whole lot of bi-partisan people support the program. It is certainly a lot better use of money than paying some corporation money that it shouldn’t be allowed to earn by war profiteering.

    So when did you come to the conclusion that we are supposed to win over there? I thought this was all for profit?

    I never said that we shouldn’t try to win over there. I just question whether it is possible given the way we’ve been going about it.

    as for winning hearts and minds, do you mean like this:

    Sure, and I would be willing to bet that not one of those pictures are of contractors.

    DJ, youre the best example of why this country has the problems it does. You talk alot of shit about wanting to “win”. But youre nowhere near willing to do what it takes to “win”.

    Sorry, but my type hasn’t been running this country for the past six and a half years.

    We certainly wouldn’t have manufactured a war like this administration did, so the ‘winning’ in Iraq would have been a moot point. But we certainly would have been ‘winning’ in Afghanistan, instead of facilitating the largest poppy crop in history, and a resurgence of the Taliban.

    I was on the phone with a Navy Recruiter the same week, and he outright told me, “No sir I’m sorry, you’re offer while deeply apperciated by the Navy is not going to fly, you’ve had cancer. That makes you ineleigble”.

    Did you think you had a constitutional right to be fighting in a war?

    Factoid: I’m going on my 5TH year over here ..if I was making that much money I would of cashed out long ago, adjusted for inflation my salary would not even equal what someone of my background would have made before the .dot com bubble imploded, 7 FUCKING years ago.

    Well, you certainly are making quite a bit more than you would have if you had been back in the Navy. From your numbers, I would say a little over double what you would have made.

    But my beef isn’t with you so much as it is with the whole concept of contracting and profiteering by the companies you work for.

    My issue is the cost of all of this. YOU may not see the $600 per day per man price tag (although by Blackwater’s own admission there are people getting paid that amount), but you can bet the government is paying three or even four times the amount for you that you are actually getting paid.

    Another thing that I am talking about (and forgive me if it sounds as though I am accusing YOU of this — I am NOT) is that there are apparent reports that say that at least some contractors are going way overboard with their duties.

    The Iraqi government has just concluded that the September 16th incident that left 17 killed and more than 20 wounded by Blackwater was unprovoked.

    (I am waiting for someone to say that whatever the Iraqi government says doesn’t mean anything…)

    It doesn’t matter that people like you might have spent your entire five years over there doing nothing but good things. All it takes is one bad incident like this to completely negate any headway you’ve made to this point. It is too bad, but that is the way things always turn out. People don’t remember the good, they only remember the bad.

    Imagine that this had happened in the middle of New York, and the shooting was done by a Saudi security force protecting their ambassador or crown prince. All of a sudden the security started firing into the crowd at an intersection killing 20 people. Do you think we wouldn’t be angry over something like this?

    Here for the money? Hardly, do I make more than I would in the US, yes but it’s hardly worth the SACRIFIC and the RISK I live with day in and day out.

    And yet you do it.

    Patriotic Mumbo Jumbo…how dare you…You sir have lost at least one who semi respected you and your positions on this board, your true colors have been flown and they bleed yellow with cowardice, and green with jealousy. I have no further use for you. Good day.

    Green with jealousy? Hardly. Yellow with cowardice? Bzzzt! I don’t envy you nor am I afraid of much. I certainly don’t wet myself thinking that we might be attacked by Islamic hiding behind every rock. I have long since given up on being afraid of death, having come so close to it on too many occasions to count.

    I suppose you would cheer on Bush if he quintupled the troops on the ground there, and accepted atrociously high casulties so we could fit into the Nazi’s defeat timeline?

    Actually, yes. I would have gone with General Zinni’s number of 300,000. His words of 2004 really ring true today.

    “I think it’s critical in the aftermath, if you’re gonna go to resolve a conflict through the use of force, and then to rebuild the country,” says Zinni.

    “The first requirement is to freeze the situation, is to gain control of the security. To patrol the streets. To prevent the looting. To prevent the ‘revenge’ killings that might occur. To prevent bands or gangs or militias that might not have your best interests at heart from growing or developing.”

    Oh, but that’s right, General Zinni has been labeled a “moonbat” and a “looney” here before so he doesn’t (or didn’t) know what he was talking about.

  65. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    That goes for me too, I was going to apply a little torque to DJ for the war profiteer comment…but you said it oh so much better.

    Oh don’t hold back Jay.

    But just so you understand a little better: It isn’t the actual person on the ground that I consider a war profiteer. It is the companies that hire them.

    It is what this “war in Iraq” has become: a war for profit, and I don’t care if you like that description or not — it is the bloody truth. Companies like Haliburton, KBR, Blackwater, Khaki, et al are making hundreds of billions of dollars on this war, and it is THEY who have no real incentive of making this as short and swift as possible.

    Wars should be as short and swift and decisive as possible. Not be revenue generators the stock holders. You have to see where we’ve crossed the line from war for necessity sake and war for the bottom line.

  66. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    The Iraqi government has just concluded that the September 16th incident that left 17 killed and more than 20 wounded by Blackwater was unprovoked.

    (I am waiting for someone to say that whatever the Iraqi government says doesn’t mean anything…)

    no whatever the ny times says doesn’t mean anything, that’s where your link points to.

    Oh, but that’s right, General Zinni has been labeled a “moonbat” and a “looney” here before so he doesn’t (or didn’t) know what he was talking about.

    and you’ve labeled Petraeus a stooge and a puppet, and therefore HE doesn’t know what HE is talking about right?

    It doesn’t matter that people like you might have spent your entire five years over there doing nothing but good things. All it takes is one bad incident like this to completely negate any headway you’ve made to this point. It is too bad, but that is the way things always turn out. People don’t remember the good, they only remember the bad.

    especially when we have your oft quoted source…the ny times…making sure that the people hear only the bad, over and over and over again. All it takes is one bad incident, like Abu Graihb and we hear about how we’re torturing people all over the world, and we hear it non-stop….no mention of the torture rooms we keep finding in Iraq, or the mass graves, or the body parts found sunk in the Euphrates River courtesy of your patrons of humanity Al-Qaeda. Skew the news to fit your agenda and the useful idiots will take the bait right up….me thinks that you have swallowed the hook my friend

  67. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    no whatever the ny times says doesn’t mean anything, that’s where your link points to.

    Okay, then take your pick. By this time tomorrow there will be thousands to choose from.

    and you’ve labeled Petraeus a stooge and a puppet, and therefore HE doesn’t know what HE is talking about right?

    Just to show you the glaring hypocrisy in the Right Wing World. Besides, I think I would go with Zinni LONG before I would go with Petraeus. Bush had to run off several Generals before he found one that would be his lap dog.


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  68. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Okay, then take your pick. By this time tomorrow there will be thousands to choose from.

    NY Slimes, Asphyxiated Piss, Canadian Socialist Press, Canadian Socialist TV…yep, Dave a treasure trove of credible sources.

    It is what this “war in Iraq” has become: a war for profit, and I don’t care if you like that description or not — it is the bloody truth.

    And you have become a lying little cowardly skank, and I don’t care if you like that description - it is the bloody truth.

    Wars should be as short and swift and decisive as possible.

    And I’ll say again - had you and your butt-buddies on the Left kept your fucking pieholes shut and not tried to undermine this entire war effort at every fucking turn, we might be wrapping it up by now.

    And the soon you people STFU and quit bitching, the sooner we might be able to bring troops home.

    We certainly wouldn’t have manufactured a war like this administration did, so the ‘winning’ in Iraq would have been a moot point. But we certainly would have been ‘winning’ in Afghanistan, instead of facilitating the largest poppy crop in history, and a resurgence of the Taliban.

    Yeah, I remember the libtards’ last attempt at a military action in the Middle East. Something called “Desert One”, if memory serves.

    Try again, Dave.

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    Okay, then take your pick. By this time tomorrow there will be thousands to choose from.

    and that just reinforces what I said in an earlier post, and I quote:

    especially when we have your oft quoted source…the ny times…making sure that the people hear only the bad, over and over and over again. All it takes is one bad incident, like Abu Graihb and we hear about how we’re torturing people all over the world, and we hear it non-stop….no mention of the torture rooms we keep finding in Iraq, or the mass graves, or the body parts found sunk in the Euphrates River courtesy of your patrons of humanity Al-Qaeda. Skew the news to fit your agenda and the useful idiots will take the bait right up

    This incident will be around just as long as there are pundits wringing their hands about how this is an indication of how baaaaaad things are going. Never mind that innocent people in Iraq are pulled out of their homes and executed by our enemies for just looking cross-eyed at them and nary a word is said about them..or how evil the enemy is…oh no, Bush is the greatest terrorist in the world (excerpt: DNC talking point #42.01), The US Army are a bunch of murdering raping thugs…..WE are the bad guys.

    DJ, I’m glad that you aren’t afraid of death, and that you don’t fear much….I don’t either, have had a few close calls (one involving being shot at) of my own and have walked away. But what about the innocent kids and elderly and others who aren’t as strong as you or I? They are in danger if we allow the evil that is jihadi islam to make any further gains in this world….

    God Bless our military, their families, and our Contractors over there!!!!

  70. LC Robohobo Comment by LC Robohobo

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    Psychochick:

    …I did not say the security forces in Iraq were mercenaries. …

    Yes you did. My reading comprehension is just fine thank you.

    I don’t care about the religious beliefs of the contractors. It’s their business. What concerns me is when a powerful company specializing in war has a religious agenda.

    Ah, yes you did say that it mattered to you if they were religious. See below. Can’t have them religious nutters trying to defend themsleves can we? Uh, unless they are Mooslimbs, eh?

    It may be fine for everyone else here, but a group of Christian Right mercenaries creeps me out, especially when they are starting to operate within the US.

    Then this gem:

    This is a company that worked in New Orleans and charged the government $950 a day for each person who worked.

    Psychochick - Let me give you some FACTS. I am a contractor in the US semiconductor industry. For a technician we get $95/hour based on a 10 hour day, 5 day week. Time and a half after that for each and every hour. PLUS travel and expenses with a 15% handling charge. International travel is written so that our guys fly business class. If you want my sorry managerial self the price goes up - $135/hour same T&C’s. There are lots of people out there quite happy to contract us because we are less than the other guys and bring as much or more to the table. So $950/day is CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP. Want me in somewhere like where LC ..CisSnarl is? Be prepared to pony up the money. Just goes to show that you DO NOT have much grounding in the real world.

    Then this sparkler! :em72:

    Also, you should work on your spelling and sentence structure–not very impressive. Oh, but that’s right, I’m the ignorant one.

    Are you a frustrated English major? :em95:

    :em99:

    You have to have been there to get this one!

    As for DJ, everyone has done a great job slapping him around. But he is too slap-happy to know he has been p-nked. I suspect he is just Misha’s alter ego so that the carnivores on this site have something to chew on. A real person could not possibly be that dense unless they were a Librul. Oh, that’s right, I guess he is real Glenda. He is a Librul.

    Cis- I hope DJ takes you up on your offer, but he won’t.

    And Janessa Gans is just beyond belief. But what do I expect from someone who is from academia? They prove daily they have no grounding in the real world. This is a serious time for serious people and we have an enemy whose avowed intention for us is our utter and complete destruction. We should not have to be burdened with stupid like them. “Stupid SHOULD HURT!”

    Or in Ron White’s words, “You can’t fix stupid.”

    On another note, I am retiring the present avatar. That is Levi Lou who left this mortal coil for dog heaven last April. We have new kids and I will make one for one of them. Jasmin is too cute. She will be the face of the new Hobo.

  71. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    NY Slimes, Asphyxiated Piss, Canadian Socialist Press, Canadian Socialist TV…yep, Dave a treasure trove of credible sources.

    Well, if you want to wait for the Right-wing news sources to catch up, then have at it. I notice that the story has been out for several hours now and nobody has come forward to say it ISN’T true.

    And you have become a lying little cowardly skank, and I don’t care if you like that description - it is the bloody truth.

    Wow, it’s like being back on the playground in third grade. Is this where I say, “I know you are but what am I?”, or “…and your mother dresses you funny!”?

    Really, Spats, I am not going to lose any sleep over anything you think. I have more pressing things weighing me down right now, and frankly I could give a rats ass about your psychopathic babble.

    And I’ll say again - had you and your butt-buddies on the Left kept your fucking pieholes shut and not tried to undermine this entire war effort at every fucking turn, we might be wrapping it up by now.

    This is just too fucking funny. Your clown posse ran this government for six years, effectively freezing out the Democrats. You had complete control, and what did you do with it? Turned it into a half-Trillion dollar welfare program for connected corporations. You had a Defense Secretary who felt that he could get by on the cheap — by privatizing everything, and wondered why we got robbed blind, with almost nothing to show for it.

    Yeah, I remember the libtards’ last attempt at a military action in the Middle East. Something called “Desert One”, if memory serves.

    Try again, Dave.

    What were you, about six years old? I suppose you are going to say that the people who planned and participated in Desert One had their heads up their collective asses?

    There weren’t many options available to them at the time. They didn’t have the capabilities we have now. At least they tried, but you don’t even want to give them that credit.

    Never mind that innocent people in Iraq are pulled out of their homes and executed by our enemies for just looking cross-eyed at them and nary a word is said about them..or how evil the enemy is…

    Yes, that would be the civil war that is going on because we created a power vacuum in the country. It was us “pansy-assed butt buddies” Liberals who warned you all it was going to happen. We were all patted on the head, and told not to be silly — they were going to greet us with flowers as their liberators.

    Oh, and the war was going to be over in six days, six weeks, but not more than six months, and that it would all be financed by Iraq’s oil — it wouldn’t cost us a cent.

    They are in danger if we allow the evil that is jihadi islam to make any further gains in this world….

    Be afraid, be verrrrry afraid! You miss the point, don’t you? You are afraid of something that is being sold to you wholesale. I would personally worry more about an earthquake leveling your house next week than the extremely unlikely chance of there being a terrorist attack. The odds are on the earthquake. We could also get attacked by angry Canadians.

    Cis- I hope DJ takes you up on your offer, but he won’t.

    Honestly, I am not the one with the tail in a kink. I notice he didn’t say he was going to stop by here on his way home. Now THAT would show he is serious.

  72. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Robohobo
    “Much of Blackwater is mercenaries (obviously not the security forces)”

    –the security forces are in Iraq and are not mercenaries
    –the BW mercenary comment does not specify Iraq–they are a very large company, and most of their forces are based in the US. Apparently, I was not clear since you were not the only one who had that interpretation

    It’s not the religious I object to–it’s the agenda. The only religion I’ve ever criticized here has been Robertson/Dobsen and Phelps. I’m agnostic: I respect almost everyone’s religion.

    As for the New Orleans thing, I have already posted that I was wrong (the “I stand corrected” comment to BC” I’ve worked a bunch of different types of jobs–sue me for not knowing much about contracting. There’s lots of real world out that doesn’t involve contractors.

    The English comment is there because I get bitchy when told to STFU at 2:30 AM. I was in the mood to flame, and the post was poorly written.

    Terribly sorry about your dog.

    Well, that’s it–I want to see Shark

  73. Obiter Dictum Comment by Obiter Dictum

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    When Muslims build hospitals instead of mosques
    When they join a world effort to eradicate diseases instead of people who don’t believe as they do
    When the immans plan community involvement to fix their messes instead of jihad to create more
    When the house of Saud cleans up their house and allows free elections
    When the world’s one billion+ muslims agree to build international co-operation instead of incite war
    Is when I will say: “It is time to bring them home.”
    Yeah, Right!
    When pigs fly.

    We should not have to be burdened with stupid like them. “Stupid SHOULD HURT!”

    The good news is stupid is often lethal to splodeydopes.

  74. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #54 by jaybear

    your grasp of history needs work man, WW2 started in 1939…1935 if you count the Spanish Civil War….1918 if you count the damage done by the Treaty of Versailles.

    True, from a certain point of view; but overt US involvement in Iraq has lasted longer than overt US involvement in WWII. After all, the involvement and suffering of other peoples doesn’t count unless you can somehow blame the US for it. :em95:

    We’ve been at this since 2001, we’ve been in Iraq since 2003. The irhabis have been attacking us since 1972.

    From a certain point of view, Islam has been at war with the rest of the world for over 12 centuries.

  75. Obiter Dictum Comment by Obiter Dictum

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    From the very beginning we have put up with Islam’s thuggery:

    The pirates of North Africa, operating variously with or without the approval of the nominal rulers of Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, had long been a thorn in the side of the European powers. Even Britain, the rarely disputed ruler of the seas, paid tribute to these pirates. Due to Britain’s payments, colonial American merchants were rarely accosted, but after the peace of 1783 ships flying the Stars and Stripes were seen as easy prey. Fortunately for our young, cash-strapped nation, unable either to pay tribute or protect shipping, Portugal declared war on Algiers in 1785, sending a fleet to patrol the Strait of Gibraltar and prevent the Corsairs from passing into the Atlantic. In 1793, the war ended and in the last three months of that year eleven American ships were seized. Unable to raise funds to pay the ransom for the crews, the American negotiator was compelled to borrow from a Jewish moneylender living in Algiers to pay the nearly million-dollar ransom.

    It has never stopped, it will not cost us less to appease these cut-throats, and we cannot let up our efforts to change the way muslims think the rest of the world owes them recompense for their devine authority.
    To our young Marine Corps credit is this bit of history:

    Captain Samuel Barron, led the largest flotilla assembled under the American flag up to that time: six frigates, seven brigs, and ten gunboats. Barron had another weapon on his flagship, William Eaton, former Consul of Tunis (Irwin, 1970).

    Eaton knew that Tripoli could be taken if ground troops were committed or if the political climate of the city could be altered. Eaton planned to do both. His scheme called for fomenting rebellion to supplant Yusuf with his brother Hamet (Channing, 1968).

    To achieve his design Eaton had at his disposal $20,000 in cash, the little brig Argus, and a cadre of nine men. One of the latter was a midshipmen-man by the name of Pascal Paoli Peck, and the other eight were United States Marines led by Lieutenant Presley O’Bannon. This handful of men would share in an incredible adventure little recalled today except in the Marine Corps Hymn (Pike, 2001).

    Eaton and the puppet Hamet met at Alexandria, Egypt and agreed to attack Yusuf’s port of Derna. In that city Hamet had some support. To avoid an exhausting 500-mile march Eaton wanted to transport the American force by sea, but Hamet insisted that his flighty followers might disappear if the Americans did not march with him.

    By promising riches and plunder after victory, “General” Eaton, as Hamet dubbed him, recruited probably the strangest army to march under the stars and stripes. The men were mostly Arabs and Levantine brigands, with some Greeks and other European soldiers of fortune.

    I ask you: ‘Why change a good idea that works?’

  76. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #71 by DJ Allyn

    Your clown posse ran this government for six years, effectively freezing out the Democrats.

    And now that the Dems are in control, what exactly have they done to ‘correct’ the situation? They’ve had more time to act than GWB did before 9/11, in which time he was apparently expected to single-handedly solve every terrorist threat in the world. Surely the Dems are smarter and better?

    You had complete control, and what did you do with it? Turned it into a half-Trillion dollar welfare program for connected corporations.

    Why, yes, that does sound problematic. It’s good thing nobody ever used their power to create a $15 TRILLION taxpayer funded vote-buying scheme for the lazy and useless element of our society…

  77. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    I would personally worry more about an earthquake leveling your house next week than the extremely unlikely chance of there being a terrorist attack.

    I dunno - I personally know someone who was murdered by Muslim terrorists, and nobody who’s been killed (really, no more than bruised) in an earthquake. Am I allowed to think terrorists are dangerous?

    (Sidenote: The number of Americans killed by terrorists in the past century is about the same as the number killed by earthquakes - and that’s including the 1906 San Francisco quake.)

    A better question is, how many times will Israel (or perhaps New York City) have to go up in atomic fire before you admit there’s a danger?

  78. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    DJ quoth:

    All it takes is one bad incident like this to completely negate any headway you’ve made to this point.

    Really? Well that is an understandable view, as far as it goes. So how many rapes, beheadings, corpse mutilations, human shield propaganda incidents, village genocides, civilian bombings, and so on will it take to ‘negate any headway’ in the esteem you hold for jihadis? I’ve yet to hear you say ONE BAD WORD about them, certainly far less vitriol than you heap upon our own people who - no matter what lies you keep repeating - do not and never have made a standard practice of such things.

  79. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg

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    Is there any way we can implement a TiVo feature here? I just realized that I missed out on most of The Bitch-Slapping DJ Show.

  80. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And now that the Dems are in control, what exactly have they done to ‘correct’ the situation? They’ve had more time to act than GWB did before 9/11, in which time he was apparently expected to single-handedly solve every terrorist threat in the world. Surely the Dems are smarter and better?

    Be realistic. They are in “control” in name only. Their majority is symbolic at best, they do not have enough votes to break the numerous filibusters the Republican “minority” puts up. In order to pass anything through this Congress, it requires a super-majority just to get it to a vote, and if by chance it does make it through both houses, there isn’t enough to override a presidential veto.

    All that will likely change in 2009. Rudy will have been defeated, the third party candidate the religious Right will put up will also have been defeated and you will be living your worst nightmare with a President Clinton. :em99:

    It’s good thing nobody ever used their power to create a $15 TRILLION taxpayer funded vote-buying scheme for the lazy and useless element of our society…

    Really? What do you call George Bush’s tax cuts to the rich and running up the largest borrow and spend scheme in history? You do realize that he has raised our debt more than all other presidents combined, then tried to claim that his economic programs are solid and working.

    Give me a $5 Trillion credit card and I will show you a good time also. The problem is, we will eventually have to pay it back.

    Of course Bush will try to minimize the damage by printing more money like he has been for the past two years. Pretty soon the Loonie is going to be worth more than the dollar, and I don’t think that has ever happened before.

    I dunno - I personally know someone who was murdered by Muslim terrorists, and nobody who’s been killed (really, no more than bruised) in an earthquake. Am I allowed to think terrorists are dangerous?

    I have had two family members killed on a bus in Israel. I have known three people who died in earthquakes, one person hit by lightning, ten or fifteen people killed in car accidents, three friends murdered, two friends who have drowned, two friends who were hit by cars while crossing the street — all that just in the past ten years. Statistically, (and that is what you should judge your fear factor on) the chances of you being attacked by Muslim terrorists is extremely low.

    Sure, you can be afraid of the boogie man if you want. You are giving the terrorists exactly what they were after in the first place: you being terrified. It’s the gift that keeps on giving — they don’t even have to lift a finger. Maybe just say “BOO!” every now and then to see you jump.

    Life is dangerous. It is deadly. At any given time you could be hit by just about anything imaginable.

    You would have a better argument if there were IEDs going off here every day, snipers picking off drivers on the I5, or people being mowed down in a shopping mall by Muslim terrorists on a killing spree.

    But let’s see, a non-Muslim sheriff’s deputy kills six in Wisconsin at a pizza party. A kid is found guilty of a shooting spree in the Tacoma Mall the other day. Not a Muslim, just a screwed up kid. Your local paper might have a few people who died in car accidents — not Muslim terrorist related, I am sure.

    (Sidenote: The number of Americans killed by terrorists in the past century is about the same as the number killed by earthquakes - and that’s including the 1906 San Francisco quake.)

    And the majority of those were killed on one day. I could have said floods, or some other natural disaster. I could also have said murders — which are far more dangerous to us and happen with much greater frequency. But I mentioned earthquakes because they are more likely to happen than a terrorist attack.

    and so on will it take to ‘negate any headway’ in the esteem you hold for jihadis?

    When was the last time you beat your wife?

    I’ve yet to hear you say ONE BAD WORD about them, certainly far less vitriol than you heap upon our own people who - no matter what lies you keep repeating - do not and never have made a standard practice of such things.

    Do I have to preface everything I say with the words, “I hate terrorists”, and end each sentence with “death to all terrorists”?

    I am a realist. Shit happens in the world, and much of it is preventable. Some of it is exasperated by our own actions. If you keep beating a dog, eventually it is going to become a mean dog and liable to bite you. This is a concept that many people like you refuse to understand. These people might not have been the best people to begin with, but we have been treating them like shit for decades and they are coming back to bite us now.

    Can it be fixed? Maybe.

  81. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    DJ sez:

    All that will likely change in 2009. Rudy will have been defeated, the third party candidate the religious Right will put up will also have been defeated and you will be living your worst nightmare with a President Clinton. :em99:

    I knew you were a horse pussy supporter……

    Just think, if she picked kerry as her running mate…we’d have BOTH ends of the horse in the White House

  82. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Well, if you want to wait for the Right-wing news sources to catch up, then have at it. I notice that the story has been out for several hours now and nobody has come forward to say it ISN’T true.

    Actually, what I notice is that your “thousands to choose from” link yielded exactly…nothing.

    But don’t take my word for it. Here’s a screenshot:

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    Wow, it’s like being back on the playground in third grade. Is this where I say, “I know you are but what am I?”, or “…and your mother dresses you funny!”?

    This from someone who keeps banging his Romper Room sippy cup and screaming “IT’S A WAR FOR PROFFFFFIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!1 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Really, Spats, I am not going to lose any sleep over anything you think. I have more pressing things weighing me down right now, and frankly I could give a rats ass about your psychopathic babble.

    Your next bong hit, no doubt.

    That’s the point I keep making about you libturds, Dave. Real easy to hide behind your keyboard up there in Portland or Seattle or wherever it is and spew your bullshit from the relative safety of your environs. Hell™ - you even have an ex-cop protecting you now, so it makes it even easier, doesn’t it?

    The fact remains, though - you’re just like every other liberal son-of-a-bitch I’ve ever come across - real brave when hiding behind someone. You’re a coward, Dave - a real fucking coward. Same reason you won’t spew your methane to Snarl’s face - you know what would happen if you did.

    This is just too fucking funny. Your clown posse ran this government for six years, effectively freezing out the Democrats.

    While you cowardly douchebags did every fucking thing you could to undermine the war effort - just like you pussies did when we were in Vietnam.

    You had complete control, and what did you do with it? Turned it into a half-Trillion dollar welfare program for connected corporations. You had a Defense Secretary who felt that he could get by on the cheap — by privatizing everything, and wondered why we got robbed blind, with almost nothing to show for it.

    Watch that sippy cup, Romper Room boy. You’re gonna break it.

    What were you, about six years old?

    Whassa matter, Dr. Dumbfuck? Can’t stand to have the truth shoved up your ass, can you?

    I suppose you are going to say that the people who planned and participated in Desert One had their heads up their collective asses?

    No, actually you’ve just done it for me. Not that it’s not blatantly obvious or anything.

    There weren’t many options available to them at the time. They didn’t have the capabilities we have now.

    Certainly they didn’t have the training they needed. And the equipment wasn’t built for that environment. Must have been the commander-in-chief’s fault - what was his name again? And in whose control was Congress at the time?

    (crickets)

    Uh-huh. Thought so…

    At least they tried, but you don’t even want to give them that credit.

    From the same liberal-assed mindset that wants to give a schoolkid a gold-medal-embossed certificate just for showing up to class every day - never mind whether said kid actually learned anything or even passed the fucking class.

    “Now I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.” -Patton

    Oh, and the war was going to be over in six days, six weeks, but not more than six months, and that it would all be financed by Iraq’s oil — it wouldn’t cost us a cent.

    And it might’ve been had you chickenshits on the left not given the jihadis a reason to keep fighting, if your beloved NY Slimes hadn’t been so damned insistent on publicizing every single national secret in an effort to either embarrass our government or telegraph to the Nazi ragheads exactly what we’re trying to do to them.

    And all because Bush has never trailed in Florida, and you bastards just can’t get over that, can you?

    Honestly, I am not the one with the tail in a kink.

    No, just with a spoon up your nose.

    All that will likely change in 2009. Rudy will have been defeated, the third party candidate the religious Right will put up will also have been defeated and you will be living your worst nightmare with a President Clinton.

    No, chickenshit, that’s gonna be your worst nightmare - because sometime after that, the second civil war’s gonna likely start - and we’re going, to quote the song, to use your heads for mops and your butts for brooms.

    Be afraid. Be verrrrrrrrry afraid.

  83. Templar_Knight Comment by Templar_Knight

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    So does the D in DJ stand for Dhimmi?

    Of course you dont fear terrorists DJ, just like I dont fear US troops.

    Youre such a good subserviant dhimmi. Youre up to 1 virgin so far. Keep going!

  84. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    This is just too fucking funny. Your clown posse ran this government for six years, effectively freezing out the Democrats.

    Let’s put this recurring meme to sleep in the Big Meme Graveyard, shall we?

    Yes, we did have a majority in both chambers, but that’s not quite enough, you know. All it takes is 41 Senators to say “nazzo fast, Guido. I’m not voting for this unless I get…”

    Oh, and on a completely different note, I’m still chuckling over the outrage about $950/day rates. That translates to about a hundred bucks an hour, which is exactly what my auto mechanic charges, and he doesn’t exactly have to risk life and limb to oil my transmission.

  85. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    There weren’t many options available to them at the time. They didn’t have the capabilities we have now. At least they tried, but you don’t even want to give them that credit.

    There weren’t many options available to the Bush Administration at the time. They didn’t have the capabilities we had ten years earlier. Somebody, a Democrat if I remember correctly, made sure of that. At least they tried, but you don’t even want to give them that credit.

  86. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    CiSSnarl5.7, damn, just damn! God speed to you and thanks for putting mush-headed thinking to route, while kicking ass in the sandbox, too! Damn, just damn! DeeJ is just doing what DeeJes do–sittin’ home, ragin’ at their screens, while others handle the real action. DeeJ isn’t dumb and I think he does care about this country, he’s just got a little liberal infection that’s making him generally contrary.

    On the underlying story, hasn’t anyone smelled the Beauchimp on this? How’d Ms. Gans see all that dramatic detail in the “poor widdle fambly’s” car when she’s in the second or so vehicle back in the convoy and then in the back seat? Simple, she didn’t. It’s just a straight up lie. We’ve heard all this crap before and it’s been shown to be BS.

    All that said, I’m not crazy about the amount of military work we’re subbing out to “civilian” contractors. I think it’s bad policy and strategy. Ops in a war zone need to be under military control, without a bunch of freelancers out there. Freelancers are just that–there’s no guarantee they’re always going to be on “our” side.

    The comments about WWII just remind me that when you want to win, you must be fully committed to kill and cripple the enemy and all that supports him. Half measures are straight recipes for defeat. That is a significant difference between the GWOT and WWII and one big reason for the GWOT dragging on–we’re not acting strategically in removing enemies and enemy assets. It’s all tactical, which is kinder and gentler to civilians, but also leaves all the human and material infrastructure supporting the terrorists in place a lot longer. When it allows the human infrastructure time to see the errors of their ways, like in Anbar, that’s a wonderful thing, but it takes a lot more time and costs more U.S.G.I. lives than poppin’ a daisy cutter at the site of every IED and every other place that is found to harbor or support terrorists. Those who don’t learn get killed, those who do get civilized. Works every time. Will we do what works–I think that’s DeeJ’s underlying criticism? I don’t know, but I do know no demoncrat will. One thing we can have confidence in–that guys like CiSSnarl5.7 and our soldiers are doing the best they can and that’s damn fine.

  87. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Professional moonbat. That should be the new designation for a “poli-sci” professor. Damn, what a stupid bitch. Why do idiots like her, aka those with “humanitarian” education (read: fake degree),insist on maintaining the delusion that they know everything about the world and that they matter? It really baffles me that freaks like her piss and moan about how much America and Americans suck, but still come back to live in this country. G-d,how I would love to bitch-slap a commie right now! :em41:

  88. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    G-d,how I would love to bitch-slap a commie right now!

    Oh, the words I have been dying to hear…

    Here you go, Princess. Feel free to sink your talons thereinto.

  89. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I knew you were a horse pussy supporter……

    Did you read the part where I said I was a realist? I also said in 2004 that Bush would be re-elected. It didn’t mean I ’supported’ him, I simply said he would be.

    I would rather not have Hillary as president, let alone the Democratic front runner. But that is the way things appear to be shaking out, and unless she stumbles in a big way, or another candidate swoops in and captures the hearts, minds, and imagination of the voters, Hillary is going to be the next US President.

    Actually, what I notice is that your “thousands to choose from” link yielded exactly…nothing.

    Well, all of the international media seems to have picked up the story, which only goes to prove that our own media is a bit lacking. It is funny that if the news wasn’t true — that is to say that the Iraq government panel didn’t determine the Blackwater incident was “unprovoked” — there hasn’t been any retractions, “clarifications”, anything else showing that the statements and reports were wrong.

    This from someone who keeps banging his Romper Room sippy cup and screaming “IT’S A WAR FOR PROFFFFFIIIIITTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!1 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Answer this one simple question: Are there numerous companies making huge profits on this war?

    Here is a bonus question for you: How many of these companies gave money to the Bush campaign?

    I can’t help it if you are either too stuborn or too dense to see things for what they are. Maybe you just don’t care that you have been manipulated like a patsy in a carnival for the past six and a half years.

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    I did — it was a broken link.

    That’s the point I keep making about you libturds, Dave. Real easy to hide behind your keyboard up there in Portland or Seattle or wherever it is and spew your bullshit from the relative safety of your environs. Hell™ - you even have a ex-cop protecting you now, so it makes it even easier, doesn’t it?

    I am not the one who likes to post my address online and dare someone to come to your house so you can beat them up. (someday you are going to get some idiot take you up on that, and it may not turn out like it does in your fantasy.)

    I haven’t needed anyone to “protect” me in my life, and I can guarantee I have been in places and situations that you would have wet your pants in. I haven’t always been this nice Liberal who would rather talk things out with people I disagree with. I have been been a very mean and angry person who would have just as soon rip off your head and shit down your windpipe than to hear more than two words come out of your neck in the wrong way.

    You wouldn’t have recognized me twenty years ago. It took a life experience to change me.

    While you cowardly douchebags did every fucking thing you could to undermine the war effort - just like you pussies did when we were in Vietnam.

    And they had zero effect on the policy, did they? You just can’t admit that your people have had total control over this whole debacle all this time and they’ve bumbled it every step of the way. Instead, you want to make crying noises about those “bad sports, those liiiiiibbbbbbrrrruuuuuulllllllsss” who have been pointing out how badly things have been going.

    Bush never flinched. He never changed his ’stratergy’. It has been “stay the course”, “hard work”, “makin’ progress” all along.

    No, actually you’ve just done it for me. Not that it’s not blatantly obvious or anything.

    I did? Strange, it appeared it was YOU who ridiculed the effort. I said they tried what was available at the time, idiotstick.

    Certainly they didn’t have the training they needed. And the equipment wasn’t built for that environment. Must have been the commander-in-chief’s fault - what was his name again? And in whose control was Congress at the time?

    So it is the President who plans the missions? (no wonder we have been screwing up in Iraq) And all this time I thought it was the actual military planners who came up with the planning of these operations. Gee, thanks for setting me straight.

    Wake up, Spats. You know that the president listens to the military advisors and it is they who come up with the plans and scenarios. Carter was given several options along with chances for success, and he could choose one or not at all. He went with one, and it failed, but not for a lack of trying.

    And sure, they didn’t have that kind of training — mainly because they hadn’t had a need to train up to that point. Our focus was fighting a different kind of warfare and different tactics.

    But we have since learned our lessons, and we do train for those kind of missions now. But hey, it is fun to blame a president for something that was out of his control.

    From the same liberal-assed mindset that wants to give a schoolkid a gold-medal-embossed certificate just for showing up to class every day - never mind whether said kid actually learned anything or even passed the fucking class.

    Strange school you must have gone to. It certainly wasn’t anything me or my kids went through.

    And it might’ve been had you chickenshits on the left not given the jihadis a reason to keep fighting, if your beloved NY Slimes hadn’t been so damned insistent on publicizing every single national secret in an effort to either embarrass our government or telegraph to the Nazi ragheads exactly what we’re trying to do to them.

    What a crock. There was no plan after the invasion except to turn everything over to contractors so they could make money. We’ve been providing a playground for Al Qaeda that never existed in Iraq before our invasion. We took away the only thing that was preventing secular civil war between two factions that have hated each other since the death of Muhammed. In other words, we created this huge power vacuum.

    We have also taken away the only thing that kept Iran in check — a strongman in Iraq. Our invasion tipped the balance of power to Iran.

    Is Iran dangerous? Yes, but only because we’ve made them more dangerous. Our actions have consequences, and if you don’t think them out, they are going to eventually come back to bite you. Bush didn’t do that.

    The whole PNAC plan was that we were going to “liberate” Iraq, and the people of Iraq would be so grateful they would magically turn into some kind of Disneyland Democracy in the Middle East. It would cause a chain reaction, where all of the other dictatorships in the region would crumble because the people of those countries would see this shining Disneyland Democracy model of Iraq and want that for themselves.

    If you don’t believe me, maybe you should take the time and actually READ the PNAC documents. They are the blueprint this adminstration has been trying to follow since it took over in 2001. It is in plain black and white. But all of the PNAC players have been jumping the ship lately because they know they’ve been totally and thouroughly discredited.

    But YOU still remain, still mesmerized by the dazzle of an endless war. How is it YOU aren’t fighting in it, I wonder? You love to throw out that “coward” label, could it be that you are the coward?

    No, chickenshit, that’s gonna be your worst nightmare - because sometime after that, the second civil war’s gonna likely start - and we’re going, to quote the song, to use your heads for mops and your butts for brooms.

    You would be which, Randy Weaver, or David Koresh?

    As I said, I am not all that keen on a Hillary Presidency. But I do know she would be better than any of the selection the Republican bottom-feeders on the list now.

    I give Walnut McCain another four weeks before he is gone. Fred! might keep an audience away for a few more months. Rudy, Mr. 911, is the best you can do, and that is pathetic.

  90. Unregistered Comment by Archon

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    DJ said

    The job of guarding our embassy personnel and state department officials used to be our military.

    Yeah, I realized it was said a couple dozen posts back, but I’m bringing this up. DJ, you are an uninformed fucktard. The US Military has never, NEVER, been responsible for the safety and well being of DoS officals, be they ambassadors, embassy support personnel, or visiting State Department officials outside of embassy grounds. That responsibility falls to the DSS. Marines protect the grounds of an embassy, because that is considered American soil, and their job is to protect it and all within.

    Now let’s have a few words about the Christmas party incident. Here’s a few factoids you won’t get from the MSM. First, just because something is in the “Green” zone doesn’t mean it’s safe. Safer, not safe. Second, the Blackwater worker who shot the VP’s guard was NOT a securirty contractor. He was support personnel who should not have been carrying a weapon in the first place. The only reason he had a weapon was because he was an armorer, and had access to everything in the arms room. After the incident, Blackwater shitcanned his ass and fined him, then cooperated with the DoJ to prosecute him. What more do you want of them? Are you telling me that you have no shitheads at your place of work who somehow managed to slip through the cracks?

    On to the 16 SEP incident, since that seems to a major point of yours as well. You mentioned something about waiting for someone to point out that “everything the Iraqi government says is wrong”…it was back a bit and I’m way too lazy to get the exact quote, but I will say this: I’ll believe stories the IZG puts out when they can all get their stories straight. What were the casualty figures again? 8, no 16, no 12, no 21…pathetic. Everyone says those contractors fired without provocation, but no one seems to mention the exploding white BMW that disabled a Grizzly. Everyone touts the story of the poor old Iraqi family in the white BMW that got shot up. They never mention that the BMW was pushing through a traffic cordon, towards the convoy, and that after the driver was shot, the car EXPLODED. Cars don’t just explode, no matter how many bullets you put into them. It was loaded with explosives, and a whole lot of them if it disabled a Grizzly. Those vehicles are purpose built to withstand IEDs, but this one had to be towed out of the intersection.

    Blackwater and other security contractors are not “doing the Army’s job”. They are filling a necessary gap. They will never hesitate to mob their QRF for Americans in trouble, be they DoD, DoS, or contractors. I personally buy Blackwater guys a beer everytime I run across one, because if it wasn’t for them or their QRF, me and mine wouldn’t be here today. And that goes double for Blackwater Aviation.

    You want to call me a mercenary, you had best do it to my damned face.

  91. Unregistered Comment by Archon

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    Forgot to add-

    Embrace the hate.

  92. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    And yet you do it.

    Reading over the past exchanges…*sigh* So many targets so little time.

    As I ended my last post with, I’ve really no more use for keeping engaged with Deej.

    I had a to do a very long drive today and it as always when miles of desert rush by your window and there’s not a whole lot to look at, gave me time to reflect.

    I’ll say this, for damn near 25 years of my life now I’ve strived to give something back to the country that allowed me to grow up to be a man, in fact it taught me to be a man in many ways, it let me race a car down a moonlit road at break neck speeds, steal my first kiss, play hours of baseball on sultry summer days, and nurse the bruises of full contact football sans pads on a chilly fall day.

    This is the country that seductivly whispered to me “it’s called freedom; embrace it and your limits are none”.

    It even saw fit to cut me a break a time or two when I stepped out of line. There were times America seemed to belive in me more than I did her or even myself, & I owe a debt to her. That’s the America I grew up in.

    That America allowed me to beam with pride, and hope for a future as bright as mine when my sons were born. And now in middle age while I bemoan the fact my sons are almost grown, and I can’t hang with the 20 somethings on the basketball courts..I relish the day I have a grandchild to pass on to some of the same treasures I’ve found.

    While I detest Deej’s and most liberals views I will defend them and yes him till death, because that’s how this game called America is played. Wheather I’m wearing a uniform to do it or not..someone has to.

    And therein lays the answer to your question Deej, that’s why I do it. Money has never been the decideing factor in my choices to stay here, not one single time.

    Might not make a whole lot of sense to you but that’s it in a nutshell.

    Me thinks that perhaps our oh mighty Imperial Tech Wizard is devoid of having a life with all those little trinkets and treasures I’ve gained along the way, and now, jaded and cynical, simply can’t fathom the awe of it all? “America” is just a word, not a living breathing thing as I see it.

    Life in a word with no meaning, and without those treasures would be a hollow and cynical one indeed. Can’t say as I am right or not, I don’t know enough about the man we call Deej, but it’s just an observation and to me the only reasonable explanation I can compose. It explains most liberals I’ve encountered.

    For those of you showing the unyielding devotion, backing and the support many grateful thanks….say a prayer for the troops tonight.

    Snarl

  93. Unregistered Comment by nerbygirl

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    CCSNARL:

    You said it all, man.
    Most people who hate this country don’t understand or appreciate the sacrifices made by people like you.
    My husband is in Kuwait right now. Maybe you’d like to meet him. If so, please give Misha your email address and I will pass it on to my husband.
    My husband feels exactly the same way you do.

    DEEJ:
    Your Avatar(or whatever you call it) says so much about you: Life is pain.
    How sad for you.
    I can’t speak for the rest of the bloggers here, but I find that life(especially as an American) is joy.
    It ain’t perfect, but it sure is a fun and crazy ride.
    I actually feel sorry for you.

  94. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Well, all of the international media seems to have picked up the story, which only goes to prove that our own media is a bit lacking.

    Or maybe that after Rathergate, they’d rather have their stories right than first. (Not that they still don’t have some work to do in that regard, but hopefullly they’re learning.)

    It is funny that if the news wasn’t true — that is to say that the Iraq government panel didn’t determine the Blackwater incident was “unprovoked” — there hasn’t been any retractions, “clarifications”, anything else showing that the statements and reports were wrong.

    Except we haven’t seen Blackwater’s version of what happened, have we? I find it very curious that there are so many lines of text devoted to accusations against them (I had to go to Newsmax to find it - amazing that a conservative news source would have it, but not your boys over at Giggle), yet only one line detailing Blackwater’s side of the story. And as your homies in the Lame Stream Media are renowned for only telling one side of any story - theirs - I think I’ll wait for the rest of the story (a little Paul Harvey, there).

    Answer this one simple question: Are there numerous companies making huge profits on this war?

    What if there are? Contrary to what your Communist-sympathizing wet dreams are about, Dave, businesses exist to make money - not to provide social engineering programs for you and your Socialist Sycophant Suck-ups™.

    Here is a bonus question for you: How many of these companies gave money to the Bush campaign?

    What if they all did? Are you going to propose laws mandating to whom businesses can donate campaign funds? Place limits on what Republicans can raise? How about a law mandating that for each dollar contributed to a Republican, a business has to donate two to the Demoscum? Hell™, Dave, why not just outlaw conservativism in the first place? Would that make you happy?

    I can’t help it if you are either too stuborn or too dense to see things for what they are. Maybe you just don’t care that you have been manipulated like a patsy in a carnival for the past six and a half years.

    Listen, just because I won’t look at things through the bong-induced haze of a Communist-sympathizing fuckwit who still thinks Air Scaremerica is dominating ratings and that Michael Savage is a liberal…

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    I did — it was a broken link.

    Well, try it again, dumbass - I fixed it.

    Or you could click on your own link - it’s still showing ZipZeroNada™.

    I am not the one who likes to post my address online and dare someone to come to your house so you can beat them up. (someday you are going to get some idiot take you up on that, and it may not turn out like it does in your fantasy.)

    Right now, I’d settle for just one. Hell, I even had a dickweed in the next fucking county brag that he was gonna come and fuck me up, and he never showed.

    That’s been my point all along with you people: You’re. Fucking. Cowards.

    I haven’t needed anyone to “protect” me in my life, and I can guarantee I have been in places and situations that you would have wet your pants in. I haven’t always been this nice Liberal who would rather talk things out with people I disagree with. I have been been a very mean and angry person who would have just as soon rip off your head and shit down your windpipe than to hear more than two words come out of your neck in the wrong way.

    You wouldn’t have recognized me twenty years ago. It took a life experience to change me.

    Lemme guess: You got the shit knocked out of you by a conservative?

    And they had zero effect on the policy, did they?

    No. Fuckin’ hell, no. Your Socialist butt-buddies’ constant bleatings have browbeaten this administration into passing rules & regulations that all but render standard interrogation techniques toothless (and useless). You’ve whined, bleated and SuedSuedSued™ until the Administration had little choice but to change its policy about housing prisoners. You’ve screamed bloody murder about fucking Geneva Convention protocols, despite the FACT, SIR, that these ragheaded fucks do not even fall under those protocols.

    So don’t give me that “zero effect on policy” bullshit, assclown, ’cause I ain’t buyin’.

    You just can’t admit that your people have had total control over this whole debacle all this time and they’ve bumbled it every step of the way. Instead, you want to make crying noises about those “bad sports, those liiiiiibbbbbbrrrruuuuuulllllllsss” who have been pointing out how badly things have been going.

    The only thing we’ve “bumbled” is by fighting this war the way you liiiiiibbbbbbrrrruuuuuulllllll chickenshits wanted it fought - with one hand tied behind our backs.

    Bush never flinched.

    No. Because in war, you don’t flinch. Except if you’re a coward.

    He never changed his ’stratergy’.

    Great Honkin’ Cthulu™, you can’t even get it right when you’re trying to mock him. And you claim you’re actually smarter???

    It has been “stay the course”, “hard work”, “makin’ progress” all along.

    That’s what wins wars, Dave - not “cutting & running” or “redeploying to Okinawa” like your honeyboy Murthafucker wants to do.

    I did? Strange, it appeared it was YOU who ridiculed the effort. I said they tried what was available at the time, idiotstick.

    Right. And you made my point for me - that what they had at the time was an inefficient military led by an incompetent boob at the helm, dumbass.

    So it is the President who plans the missions? (no wonder we have been screwing up in Iraq) And all this time I thought it was the actual military planners who came up with the planning of these operations. Gee, thanks for setting me straight.

    You’re the one who’s been blaming Bush for Iraq, fuckhead. Whassa matter - can you not handle it when it gets thrown back in your face?

    Wake up, Spats. You know that the president listens to the military advisors and it is they who come up with the plans and scenarios. Carter was given several options along with chances for success, and he could choose one or not at all. He went with one, and it failed, but not for a lack of trying.

    Pull your head out, Dave. The fact is that your boy Jimmuh was an abject failure in every aspect of his excuse-for-a-Presidency - including the military aspect - and it’s directly led to what we’ve got today.

    And sure, they didn’t have that kind of training — mainly because they hadn’t had a need to train up to that point. Our focus was fighting a different kind of warfare and different tactics.

    But we have since learned our lessons, and we do train for those kind of missions now. But hey, it is fun to blame a president for something that was out of his control.

    “Out of his control”, hm? Why didn’t they start training for those kind of tactics the very minute those hostages were taken, eh, Dave? Or would that not be “nuanced” enough of a “stratergy”?

    Strange school you must have gone to. It certainly wasn’t anything me or my kids went through.

    Yeah, my schools rewarded results. Shame yours didn’t.

    What a crock. There was no plan after the invasion except to turn everything over to contractors so they could make money. We’ve been providing a playground for Al Qaeda that never existed in Iraq before our invasion. We took away the only thing that was preventing secular civil war between two factions that have hated each other since the death of Muhammed. In other words, we created this huge power vacuum.

    Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Prove any of this, moron. Preferably with links not provided by your honeyboys at the NY Slimes or the Asphyxiated Piss.

    But YOU still remain, still mesmerized by the dazzle of an endless war. How is it YOU aren’t fighting in it, I wonder? You love to throw out that “coward” label, could it be that you are the coward?

    Come say that to my face, you drug-infested maggot of a chickenshit. You’ve got the address. I’ll be only so happy to take my 44-year-old diabetic pancake feet and stomp every last ounce of shit out of your pansy-ass.

    You would be which, Randy Weaver, or David Koresh?

    And who would you be? Jesse MacBeth, Scott Ritter or Pee Wee Herman?

    I give Walnut McCain another four weeks before he is gone. Fred! might keep an audience away for a few more months.

    Oh, you mean like your homegirl Hillary does?

    Rudy, Mr. 911, is the best you can do, and that is pathetic.

    Last I heard, Rudy was still outpolling the Duchess Hilarious. I know that sticks in your craw - and quite frankly, I’m laughing my ass off over it.

    Now, anytime you wanna call me a “coward” to my face, pussy, come on down. Or send your son - he’s dried out by now, isn’t he?

  95. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    My husband is in Kuwait right now. Maybe you’d like to meet him. If so, please give Misha your email address and I will pass it on to my husband.

    Nerby, I gave Misha the green light to forward my E-mail. Errr, let me rephrase that His higness said “you will do this” ..to which I bowed and beat a hasty retreat lest my head take leave of the rest of me in a most untidy manner. :em93:

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    CiSSnarl:
    Fantastic! You two can get together and discuss the huge mounds of money that you’re both making—NOT.
    I’ll pass the info on.
    And thank you SO much for your clear, intelligent debate with DJ. At least ONE side of the argument knew what he was talking about.

  97. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    (Standing in total awe of Spat’s haiku..)

    M’Man, I know you’ve been around long enough to know that whatever logical boulders you drop into Deej’s mindpond is scarcely gonna raise a ripple,, no amount of physical evidence will trump his “educated” (as-in past-tense) assessments.

    But,,lot’s of others will be takin’ notes here too.

    Your time invested in his continued education will benefit many many lurkers.. ‘ain’t time totally waisted.
    Keep ‘em busy n’ drop by, when ya get dry!

  98. Unregistered Comment by Archon

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    I haven’t needed anyone to “protect” me in my life

    So to whom do you attribute your living in a free country? Because if no one was “protecting” you, or the rest of this country, you sure as hell wouldn’t be able to run your mouth like you do. :em98:

    Embrace the Hate

  99. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    CisSnarl,

    regarding your post #92

    It’s been a long time since I’ve read something about this country that has been so inspired and honest. Makes me proud (er) to call myself an American….

    Good work my friend

  100. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Yeah, I realized it was said a couple dozen posts back, but I’m bringing this up. DJ, you are an uninformed fucktard.

    Marines have been guarding our embassies for how long? Yes the Diplomatic Security Service has primary responsibility in security, but in a war zone, they are often backed up by Marines — Not Blackwater, which is the POINT I was making.

    After the incident, Blackwater shitcanned his ass and fined him, then cooperated with the DoJ to prosecute him.

    Are you sitting down? Because this might actually surprise you:

    Contractor involved in Iraq shooting got job in Kuwait

    A Blackwater USA employee who was fired after he allegedly shot and killed an Iraqi security guard on Christmas Eve last year was hired by another private contractor to work in the region less than two months later.

    Congress has been taking a closer look at the government’s use of private security contractors.

    Andrew J. Moonen returned to the United States within a few days of the incident, his attorney said, but in February he returned to Kuwait, working for Defense Department contractor Combat Support Associates (CSA), a company spokesman said.

    Mooney worked for CSA from February to August of this year, spokesman Paul Gennaro said.

    Because the State Department and Blackwater kept the incident quiet and out of Moonen’s personnel records, CSA was unaware of the December incident when it hired Moonen.

    According to Moonen’s personnel record, the U.S. Army tried to call him back to service in April 2007, but canceled the request when they were notified he was overseas.

    Moonen, 27, had served in the Army’s 82nd Airborne Division from April 2002 to April 2005 before joining Blackwater. [Emphasis mine]

    D’oh!

    Gee, why doesn’t this surprise me? But the sad thing is, he cannot be prosecuted under Iraqi OR US law, so there is nothing the DoJ can do about it. Congress is trying to bring such activities under US jurisdiction, but it cannot make ex post facto law to prosecute. Besides, Bush is liable to veto any such law.

    Are you telling me that you have no shitheads at your place of work who somehow managed to slip through the cracks?

    He slipped through the cracks at least three times. Why? Because both Blackwater and the State Departement actively kept the incident quiet. But in answer to your question, I would say no. But then again, we aren’t looking for people with security clearances, either.

    You want to call me a mercenary, you had best do it to my damned face.

    Why, do you think there is anything wrong with being a mercenary? Besides, I don’t know whether you are or you aren’t — and it doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other.

    And therein lays the answer to your question Deej, that’s why I do it. Money has never been the decideing factor in my choices to stay here, not one single time.

    Might not make a whole lot of sense to you but that’s it in a nutshell.

    Snarl, I understand why you do it, but there are others with their own ideas and they aren’t as noble as yours. I’ve known more than a few of them over the years — true mercenaries for hire. My ex-cop roommate’s brother is one of them and he is over there working for Triple Canopy right now. The night before he left, he told us he was “gonna go kill some a-rabs”, and he honestly didn’t care who they were. To him, it was like opening day of hunting season, and they were just some animal. He had discharged eight months earlier from the Army and couldn’t quite wrap his mind around being a civilian.

    I am NOT saying that all contractors are like Jim. But I am sure that there are more than just a few. Maybe they are even different over there than they were back here in the free world, who knows? But given people like Andrew J Moonen, I would have to wonder.

    And again, it goes to the fact that no matter how much good YOU do, it is all quickly undone by the actions of a few.

    Snarl, you should have been allowed to re-enlist. I wouldn’t (and don’t) have a problem with you being over there doing what you are doing. THAT isn’t what is bothering me about all of this. MY concern is the idea that the companies you work for are using this war as a profit-making engine because somebody thought it would be a great idea to privatize the war and then allow profits to be made on it. Profits many times over what you yourself are being paid.

    Or maybe that after Rathergate, they’d rather have their stories right than first. (Not that they still don’t have some work to do in that regard, but hopefullly they’re learning.)

    Horseshit. I can’t help it if you won’t read anything that dares to burst your happy little mind you’ve built for yourself.

    I had to go to Newsmax to find it - amazing that a conservative news source

    You actually managed to use NewsMax and “news source” in the same sentence? Therein lies the problem.

    That’s what wins wars, Dave - not “cutting & running” or “redeploying to Okinawa” like your honeyboy Murthafucker wants to do.

    I don’t care what Murtha wants to do — he isn’t the only one out there with ideas you know. Personally, I would move our troops out of the way — to the borders of Iraq and let the Iraqis deal with their internal problems. We would keep outsiders out and be there in case of need. But I have said that several times before.

    Pull your head out, Dave. The fact is that your boy Jimmuh was an abject failure in every aspect of his excuse-for-a-Presidency - including the military aspect - and it’s directly led to what we’ve got today.

    Yet, “Jimmuh” has been out of the Whitehouse since January 1981, and it has been eight years of Reagan, four years of Bush I, and eight years of Clinton, then six and a half years of Bush II. That is 26 and a half years, and four administrations later — three of them being

    (wait for it…)

    Republican Administrations

    The big huge elephant and gorilla in the room is the fact that in all the time since Jimmy Carter’s “failed” presidency, not a fucking thing has been done to fix whatever shortcomings you think Carter had.

    “Out of his control”, hm? Why didn’t they start training for those kind of tactics the very minute those hostages were taken, eh, Dave? Or would that not be “nuanced” enough of a “stratergy”?

    Are you certain they weren’t? They did an awful lot of training in Arizona at the time as I recall…

    Yeah, my schools rewarded results. Shame yours didn’t.

    Good retort, Bluto. I didn’t know that Audio Visual gave rewards for setting up projectors.

    Bullshit, bullshit and more bullshit. Prove any of this, moron. Preferably with links not provided by your honeyboys at the NY Slimes or the Asphyxiated Piss.

    Well, NewsMax won’t tell you this stuff because it doesn’t fit the official line.

    Come say that to my face, you drug-infested maggot of a chickenshit. You’ve got the address. I’ll be only so happy to take my 44-year-old diabetic pancake feet and stomp every last ounce of shit out of your pansy-ass.

    Gads, that would be commical, wouldn’t it? A 44-year-old blowhard and a 56-year-old recently sans one kidney and a rib. (I think I could still take ya though.) :em99:

    Seriously, the last thing you’d want to see on your doorstep is me. If I showed up down there, it would have to be something a lot more serious than some junior high name-calling here, that’s for sure. Besides, I could just as easily reach out and touch you from all the way up here. (I have this kind of a devious streak in my past)

    And no, I don’t have your address, nor do I want it. Every time you’ve posted it, I have done you a favor and removed it. Trust me, there was a time in my life when I would have royally fucked your life up, without ever leaving Washington. I fear that someday you will piss the wrong person off and you won’t even know what hit you.

    Much how I love to tweak the nipples of people here, this is purely for entertainment purposes only. (not to mention it being a great therapy tool) I don’t take much of what I read here all that seriously — I would be a neurotic mess if I did.

  101. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Yeah, my schools rewarded results. Shame yours didn’t…Good retort, Bluto - I didn’t know that Audio Visual gave rewards for setting up projectors

    That was damn funny! :em99: :em99:

    I don’t know about now, but when going to school in the late ’70’s, tormenting the AV nerds was a pure right of passage!

    Dave, how about more comedy, and less talking points, from you ;-)

  102. Unregistered Comment by Archon

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    Marines have been guarding our embassies for how long?

    The question is not who guards the embassy, but who guards the State workers when they LEAVE the embassy. Marines, as DoD personnel, have never, since the formation of DSS, performed this job. Security of any American citizens employed by State is ensured by DSS and their contractors (that would be Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and DynCorp), and the ultimate responsibility rests on the RSO. Marines, or the Army, do not enter into the equation, even after SHTF, without communications at VERY high levels of DoD and State.

    Are you sitting down? Because this might actually surprise you:

    Actually, no, it doesn’t surprise me, because it’s not news. First, let’s look at the fact that his job in Kuwait was supremely different from his job in Iraq. Can you guess what CSA’s contract is for? Support. The man was in Kuwait working on weapons. Second, and more important, is the fact that there was no conspiracy by Blackwater to cover up Mooney’s actions. They found out, they informed State, and then fired and fined him. Their moral and business obligations were fulfilled after that point. The fact that State did not pass along the pertinent information, and the fact that Mooney can not be prosecuted under Iraqi or American law, is not Blackwater’s fault, and to try and blame Blackwater is comical. Keep grasping at those straws.

    He slipped through the cracks at least three times. Why? Because both Blackwater and the State Departement actively kept the incident quiet. But in answer to your question, I would say no. But then again, we aren’t looking for people with security clearances, either.

    Again, Blackwater did NOT keep the incident quiet. Adjust that tin foil hat, I think the circulation to your head is getting cut off. I’ll leave your insult about the government’s background check procedures alone. Obviously, you haven’t been through that kind of scrutiny, or if you have, you failed miserably.

    Why, do you think there is anything wrong with being a mercenary?

    Considering the general negative connotation of the word mercenary, especially as you and others with your frame of thought use it, yes, there is something wrong with being a mercenary. Have you ever served your country in uniform? Because these men and women have, and for you to insinuate that we do what we do for money, as opposed to true love for our country and defense of the freedoms it stands for, shows that the gift is obviously wasted on you.

    You cannot form logical and valid opinions about things you know nothing about. Keep getting your news from the TV and the intarweb. Until you set boots in the suck, don’t expect your OPINION to have any merit with those that have.

    Embrace the Hate

  103. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Seriously, the last thing you’d want to see on your doorstep is me.

    Wear somethin’ nice, make a good showin’,,
    If his perimeter is like this one,,
    ‘guarantee y’d be on YoTube,,

  104. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Horseshit. I can’t help it if you won’t read anything that dares to burst your happy little mind you’ve built for yourself.

    Sorry, I don’t have time to read bullshit from the likes of the NY Slimes, the Clintoon News Nitwits, the Washington Compost, et. al. I prefer to get my news from real sources.

    You actually managed to use NewsMax and “news source” in the same sentence? Therein lies the problem.

    What, because they report the news as it is, instead of what it’s like in your bong-induced haze? Tough titties, dumbass.

    I don’t care what Murtha wants to do — he isn’t the only one out there with ideas you know.

    No, but he’s the one that gets the spotlight, isn’t he? He’s the one that gets all the face time on CNN, right? He’s the one the jihadists point to when they say we don’t have the stomach for a fight. He’s the one who gives them confidence that all they have to do is wait us out.

    I realize that you can’t bring it upon yourself to admit that - but that’s your problem, not mine.

    Personally, I would move our troops out of the way — to the borders of Iraq and let the Iraqis deal with their internal problems. We would keep outsiders out and be there in case of need. But I have said that several times before.

    And the problem with that shortsighted little strategy is that it fails to account for the insurgents & warlords who are already in the interior of the country, which would stand a very good chance of obliterating the Iraqi people.

    Hard to believe you served anywhere with ideas that idiotic.

    The big huge elephant and gorilla in the room is the fact that in all the time since Jimmy Carter’s “failed” presidency, not a fucking thing has been done to fix whatever shortcomings you think Carter had.

    Your bullshit is so ridiculous now that it’s getting laughable. Or had you forgotten about the Reagan military buildup?

    You know, the one that was undone by Der Blowjobber in the ’90s?

    Are you certain they weren’t? They did an awful lot of training in Arizona at the time as I recall…

    Not nearly enough, was it? Another testament to the ineptness of the then-Commander-in-Grief.

    Good retort, Bluto. I didn’t know that Audio Visual gave rewards for setting up projectors.

    Maybe if you hadn’t majored in glue-sniffing at Waterpipe High…

    Well, NewsMax won’t tell you this stuff because it doesn’t fit the official line.

    Yeah, NewsMax generally shies away from Demoscummic talking points. They tend to conflict with, y’know, actual facts.

    Gads, that would be commical, wouldn’t it? A 44-year-old blowhard and a 56-year-old recently sans one kidney and a rib. (I think I could still take ya though.)

    Seriously, the last thing you’d want to see on your doorstep is me. If I showed up down there, it would have to be something a lot more serious than some junior high name-calling here, that’s for sure

    If you think for a second you could take me, chump, then the drugs are doing you more brain damage than you think. It’d take me ten seconds, tops, to put your ass on the ground.

    Unless you suddenly decided to “redeploy” back to the safety of the parking lot, that is.

    Besides, I could just as easily reach out and touch you from all the way up here. (I have this kind of a devious streak in my past)

    And no, I don’t have your address, nor do I want it. Every time you’ve posted it, I have done you a favor and removed it. Trust me, there was a time in my life when I would have royally fucked your life up, without ever leaving Washington. I fear that someday you will piss the wrong person off and you won’t even know what hit you.

    Well, then, why don’t you just try it, fuckhead? (You do realize, don’t you, that stuff like that’s a federal offense, and if you weren’t terribly fond of “drug court”, you’d really love having your ass hauled up before a federal magistrate? Not to mention what I’d come do to you once I discovered you were behind it?)

  105. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I don’t know about now, but when going to school in the late ’70’s, tormenting the AV nerds was a pure right of passage!

    Oh, it was that way in the late sixties also. What reminded me of it was there was a kid named Spats who used to deliver and set the projector up whenever a class had a movie. He was kind of a big kid, but very uncoordinated. He would get mad and tell the other kids to come over to his house after school so his big brother could beat us up. (nobody in the area ever saw his big brother)

    Dave, how about more comedy, and less talking points, from you

    I’m here all week. Be sure to visit the bar.

    I certainly do…

    (that would be Blackwater, Triple Canopy, and DynCorp),

    Blackwater was founded in 1997, Triple Canopy in 2003 and while DynCorp has been around under a couple of names since 1951, they only recently got into the security business in 1996. Before that, they were mainly an aviation company. Still, it appears that the job of security was done by the government, not a private company.

    Now here is where I admit total ignorance (so have your way with me):

    When a state department official visited Vietnam or Korea, did the military act as an escort then? Surely the DSS didn’t handle the travel security and escort all by themselves.

    Again, Blackwater did NOT keep the incident quiet.

    Aparently they did. How else do you explain the fact that he was back over in Kuwait within weeks of being fired and sent back.

    If you had listened to the hearings the other day, Blackwater insisted that all of its employees underwent background checks and received security clearances. CSA insists they did background checks and there was nothing there. Hell, even the US Army wanted to call him back into service in April of 2007 and cancelled the request NOT because he had a bad record, but because they were notified he was already overseas.

    First, let’s look at the fact that his job in Kuwait was supremely different from his job in Iraq. Can you guess what CSA’s contract is for? Support. The man was in Kuwait working on weapons.

    Still, you can hardly leave the country with a domestic violence record, let alone work for the government in any capacity overseas. The fact is, the ball was dropped by both Blackwater, who didn’t want the bad publicity and the State Department probably for the same reason. There was a serious breach in security if you accept the fact that clearances are not updated on a regular basis even if a person is removed from a job for cause.

    It doesn’t matter in this case that the government can’t arrest, try, and convict this murderer. It certainly had the power to deny a security clearance based on his prior actions — and it didn’t.

    Have you ever served your country in uniform? Because these men and women have, and for you to insinuate that we do what we do for money, as opposed to true love for our country and defense of the freedoms it stands for, shows that the gift is obviously wasted on you.

    Yes I have, but not this country, and what I did was in real defense, not a made-up conflict that is Iraq.

    Also, as I stated before, not all of your bretheren are there with the same pure of heart. I don’t know what the percentage of these people are — it doesn’t have to be many.

    Wear somethin’ nice, make a good showin’,,
    If his perimeter is like this one,,
    ‘guarantee y’d be on YoTube,,

    As I recall, he lives in an apartment. Can’t be much of a perimeter there. Besides, I would have something much more imaginative in mind, than just showing up on someone’s doorstep.

    I once sent a pizza to a guy who thought he would fuck with a forum I was running. He thought I could never find him, let alone reach out and touch him. Boy was he surprised.

    Addresses are a gateway to a lot of malicious things a person can do. That is why everytime Spats would post his address and dare someone to come “say that to [my] face” I would quietly take it down for him. Believe me, if I wanted to fuck someone up, there are almost an infinite number of ways to do it without ever leaving your house.

  106. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    That is why everytime Spats would post his address and dare someone to come “say that to [my] face” I would quietly take it down for him.

    And if you ever do that again, you son-of-a-bitch, I’ll start deleting your posts en masse.

    Or have you forgotten I have that kind of access, too?

  107. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    And if you ever do that again, you son-of-a-bitch, I’ll start deleting your posts en masse.

    No you won’t.

    The only person who gets to delete shit not belonging to them around here is me.

    As to Dave deleting your personal info in the past, I’m sure it’s clear now that you don’t want him to so that’s that. As you’ll recall, I did the same a couple of times in the past for the same reasons, concern about your safety. Until we talked about it and you made it clear to me that you didn’t want me to. I respect that, and I’m sure Dave will too now that he knows.

    Just know that it was out of concern, not malice, and out of a belief in “better safe than sorry.”

    Carry on.

  108. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    I think I’d like to hear that from him, if it’s alright with you, Sire.

    And would you mind telling me why you jump me in public, but he gets a free pass?

  109. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    And would you mind telling me why you jump me in public, but he gets a free pass?

    I didn’t jump you, buddy, as a matter of fact I wouldn’t have said a thing if it wasn’t for the “deleting posts en masse” bit.

    Everything else is fair game and I certainly wouldn’t jump anybody for that.

  110. Unregistered Comment by Archon

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    Blackwater was founded in 1997, Triple Canopy in 2003 and while DynCorp has been around under a couple of names since 1951, they only recently got into the security business in 1996. Before that, they were mainly an aviation company. Still, it appears that the job of security was done by the government, not a private company.

    Pre-2002-ish, there wasn’t really a need for contractors, except in Latin America. Security contractors have been pulling details for State and foriegn dignitaries for better than 3 decades there. Capitalism means that businesses evolve to meet the demands of the market. That ISN’T a bad thing.

    When a state department official visited Vietnam or Korea, did the military act as an escort then? Surely the DSS didn’t handle the travel security and escort all by themselves.

    Sure they did. When you only have one or two dignitaries visiting a YEAR, the RSO’s staff at the embassy can easily handle everything from when the good Senator (or whoever is visiting) lands until they get back on a plane. When the RSO’s staff onhand isn’t able to handle the needs of the visiting State Department staff, or when SECDEF, the US Ambassador to the UN, or cabinet level foriegn ministers visit the US, a team from DS is usually sent. But in situations like current operations in Iraq, maintaining DS teams, in addition to DS’s responsibilities worldwide, becomes difficult. Hence, contracts go out and get filled.

    As a side note to that, one of the new directives going out (and one that should have been in effect all along) is that one DS Special Agent will be with every contractor team operating in theatre.

    Aparently they did. How else do you explain the fact that he was back over in Kuwait within weeks of being fired and sent back.

    If you had listened to the hearings the other day, Blackwater insisted that all of its employees underwent background checks and received security clearances. CSA insists they did background checks and there was nothing there. Hell, even the US Army wanted to call him back into service in April of 2007 and cancelled the request NOT because he had a bad record, but because they were notified he was already overseas.

    Blackwater, and every other contractor, is not a government entity. They have absolutely NO control over who gets a clearance and who doesn’t. If Mooney didn’t list his prior employment with Blackwater when he filed his resume with CSA, then they would have had no idea who he was, and wouldn’t have called Blackwater for a reference. Again, State dropped the ball. To blame Blackwater over something that they had no control over makes no sense. They did their job and reported the incident to State.

    Still, you can hardly leave the country with a domestic violence record, let alone work for the government in any capacity overseas. The fact is, the ball was dropped by both Blackwater, who didn’t want the bad publicity and the State Department probably for the same reason. There was a serious breach in security if you accept the fact that clearances are not updated on a regular basis even if a person is removed from a job for cause.

    Where did you hear this? If you are not a fugitive or have a felony trial pending, there is nothing to stop someone, even a covicted felon, from leaving the country. If I kill someone, do my time, and decide I want to expat to Honduras, no one can stop me. Beyond that, there were no charges filed against Mooney. Again, that was State’s failing, not Blackwater’s. With nothing on record because of State’s FUBAR, why shouldn’t CSA hire him? Or the Army for that matter?

    Yes I have, but not this country, and what I did was in real defense, not a made-up conflict that is Iraq.

    Also, as I stated before, not all of your bretheren are there with the same pure of heart. I don’t know what the percentage of these people are — it doesn’t have to be many.

    Good on you for serving, where ever you’re from (I’m admittedly new here, so I don’t know much about everyone yet), but to say that my service WASN’T in defense of my country is assinine. Of course, I can already tell that we will disagree on the priciple of “Fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here.” But let’s make a gentleman’s agreement: I won’t pass judgement on your service (not even if you’re French), you kindly refrain from doing the same, capice?

    And you’re right, a lifetime of “attaboys” can be ruined by one good fuck up. But it still doesn’t give you the right to make blanket statements about something you have no idea about.

    Embrace the Hate

  111. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And if you ever do that again, you son-of-a-bitch, I’ll start deleting your posts en masse.

    I suppose you could.

    Or have you forgotten I have that kind of access, too?

    I don’t forget much.

    As to Dave deleting your personal info in the past, I’m sure it’s clear now that you don’t want him to so that’s that. As you’ll recall, I did the same a couple of times in the past for the same reasons, concern about your safety. Until we talked about it and you made it clear to me that you didn’t want me to. I respect that, and I’m sure Dave will too now that he knows.

    Actually, you and I discussed this a while back, Misha, and you had told me he had gotten very angry about it when you did it. I had deleted an address once about a year earlier. But when you told me that he would rather leave it up, I heeded your wishes.

    Just know that it was out of concern, not malice, and out of a belief in “better safe than sorry.”

    That is exactly right. We might disagree on just about everything you can imagine, and most likely stuff we can’t imagine yet. But I would never want to see something happen to you that you never took into consideration.

    You see, you are banking on the idea that nobody is ever going to show up on your doorstep — and you are probably right. But what you don’t consider is there are people like me who are capable of totally fucking up your life with a few keystrokes.

    Not meaning to brag, but it wouldn’t take me but thirty minutes to put a world of hurt on your life that would literally take you months if not years to dig yourself out from under — and I am out of practice. Some of the stuff I have done in the past would probably scare the shit out of you considering how vulnerable the average person really is.

    A name, connected to an address, can easily yield so much personal information about you that a person could completely take control of your life. Now the average person isn’t going to know how to do any of that, but you have absolutely no idea who is on the other side of that monitor, or what he or she is capable of.

    I think I’d like to hear that from him, if it’s alright with you, Sire.

    Here you go:

    I removed an address you posted once. When you did it again, Misha and I talked about it and I left it be.

    Would I remove any further ones?

    No, because he asked me not to. All I can hope is that if and when you do post your address like that again, you don’t get hit with something you had no idea was coming.

    You may not like me — hell, you probably hate me. But that doesn’t stop me from being somewhat concerned for everyone here. Maybe you think it could never happen to you, or that you are somehow invincible. Maybe you just thrive on having problems. (I know a couple of people like that)

    Piss the wrong guy off and you may learn a very valuable lesson. You will never see it coming, and you will never know where it came from.

    If you think I am being melodramatic, think again.

    Just think about it.

    Kevin Mitnick was an amateur, who only surrounded himself with people like me.

  112. The Major Comment by The Major

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    Some interesting history on Gubmint outsourcing…

    Shortly after WWII (1947), three scientists, Harold E. Edgerton, Kenneth J. Germeshausen and Herbert E. Grier, who were involved in providing cutting edge photographic technology for the Manhattan Project, formed the company EG&G and began assisting the old Atomic Energy Commission in the development and testing of nuclear weapons. It would seem that that the group of experts they assembled were rather unique and fit into an unusual niche quite nicely. They did very, very well as a corporation servicing the technical needs of the AEC. Today, the company continues to service the exotic technology, logistic, training and security needs of facilities such as Tonopah Test Range, Nellis AFB and Test Range, and Air Force Flight Test Center - Detachment Three (Area 51). They are an invaluable resource in the training of American military pilots, and pilots from all over the world who participate in combat exercises like Red Flag. The company is now owned by URS Corp.

    Like Halliburton, Blackwater, etc., they help the military do their job better and more efficiently by removing the burden of doing these jobs themselves. Yep, the evil bastards do it for MONEY… but I betcha they do the job a lot more efficiently than any Gubmint bureaucracy could do with 3 times the funding!

  113. xenophobic Comment by xenophobic

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    DJ:
    I can’t find the shiny “hack the planet” button on my copy of Windows Vista, did I not get the 3D kernel mod made by “Th3 Pl4gu3″?
    Which guy is you ZeroCool or Ser1alKill3r?
    /sarc

  114. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Snarl, you should have been allowed to re-enlist. I wouldn’t (and don’t) have a problem with you being over there doing what you are doing. THAT isn’t what is bothering me about all of this. MY concern is the idea that the companies you work for are using this war as a profit-making engine because somebody thought it would be a great idea to privatize the war and then allow profits to be made on it. Profits many times over what you yourself are being paid.

    Yet Earlier you sarcasticly asked me if I felt some “constitutional right to wage a war” or something to that effect.
    This statement now doesn’t pass the smell test Deej.

    It’s akin to “I support the troops, but not the war”…same slight of hand, same misdirection.

    You also posted earlier an example of how contracting works, stating that somewhere there’s contracts 4-5 compaines deep and over here each tacking on thier own prices, that is simply not true, the deepest contract I’ve seen thus far is one I worked on when I first got here. That contract had one layer we worked a specialised mission for the prime contractor, who couldn’t fill the role as it was staffed primarily with TCN’s (Third country National)

    Secondly the contracting companies over here have to account for every hour charged and every dime billed to the U.S. Government as most of these contracts are “Time and Materials” contracts. The billing my company presents to the government is based on ….government rates, IE the Department of Labor, sets the rates, based on a set of critiria. I recieve a portion of that rate. For a Senior I would hazard a guess that they are billing me out at 60-70 an hour it might be more or less dependant on a wide array of factors and whether the contract is Army, Air Force, Navy Or Marine.

    I’m a manager I see the contracts I work and while I do not have access for obvious reasons to other contracts in the AOR, to my knowledge none are over one layer deep.
    If you can find proof otherwise, post a link, but until that proof is established I am saying you are wrong.

    As far as companies using the war for profit making, no business is going to come over here with out a profit margin, it’s basic Business 101, and I seriously doubt the margins are as high percentage wise as you may think or have been led to beleive.

    Speaking of TCN’s the government uses third country national companies for a wide range of the more mudan tasks, cleaning, cooking, driving trucks etc. This helps save you the tax payer money. If you want to get on a high horse about mercaniries and evil defense contractors, maybe you and the left should really start looking at the companies that do that sort of thing for the US Goverment.
    I know for a fact that most TCN be they pakistani, bangledishi, (sp) Indian or others generally do not make more that 100-150 Kuwaiti Dinar a month. And that’s on the high side working for the U.S. those in Kuwait that work for private Kuwaiti firms make less.

    Where’s the hue and outcry about this…Oh that’s right those aren’t EVIL AMERICAN companies make profit off an unpopular war…so it doesn’t fit the left’s ageneda.

  115. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SNARL
    What standard of living does 100-150 dinar get you? I have absolutely no knowledge of the currency over there.

    Can you say what kind of work you guys do, or would that be classified?

  116. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    PC ,100-150 Dinar is about 350-500 U.S.
    Kuwait is expensive, for me to buy a months worht of grocieres as I mentioned before generally runs me around 60 -70 Dinar. That’s one person, a family of four would eaasliy double that maybe even triple it.

    Obvioulsy I eat differently than some one from another culture like India and thier food bill would be less, but regardless they will spend alot of thier slaray on food.

    Housing is screwy here a Kuwaiti will rent a villa for 900-1000 KD a month, depending on location and if he doesn’t find a renter, then he lets it sit. They wont budge for the most part and work any type of deal, unless ..theres always that cavet, if your an Arab or an American because they know they will get paid. Som villas here can fetch prices of a staggering 4,0000 KD a month.
    A freind recently married an Arab woman, and related some of the horror stories he encountred dealing with the housing situation. It’s some sort of tie in with Islam, and Arab pride, Islam forbids greed, but Arab pride always seems to make that a rather difficult way of life for them.

    I regarless of my rightwing death beast credintials genuinaly feel for the TCN that come to Kuwait they are treated like dirt by everyone, and it saddens me to see people treating one another like that. When somone pops off the term “TCN” here, or “Hadji” it generally is not a term of endearment, and in some cases depending on the person can be viewed as almost a racial slur.

    To sum it up, in Kuwait from my obersvations, your either rolling in money, or your dirt poor, the people like me here comprise a pseduo middle class, where without us there is little or none.

  117. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    #80 by DJ Allyn, would-be CyberBully

    Be realistic. They are in “control” in name only. Their majority is symbolic at best, they do not have enough votes to break the numerous filibusters the Republican “minority” puts up.

    Wow, you actually said something factual for once. Well, broken watches and all that.

    Of course, you couldn’t leave it at that and are lying by implication, by your deliberate failure to acknowledge that the Republicans faced the same situation during most of the time they were in ‘complete control’ of Congress. Can we say, ‘judicial nominees’ people?

    What do you call George Bush’s tax cuts to the rich and running up the largest borrow and spend scheme in history?

    Given the evidence, an economic stimulus program which has been rather successful. Incidentally, it’s hard to give a tax break to people who don’t pay them in the first place. It’s also difficult to control a budget which is over 50% social entitlements (aka welfare in various forms). It’s also kind of stupid to blame a President for budgets when CONGRESS makes and passes them. Or had you forgotten that? (Hint: Check the Constitution; your copy is getting lonely.)

    You do realize that he has raised our debt more than all other presidents combined, then tried to claim that his economic programs are solid and working.

    You mean, allowed Congress to do so lest you and your ilk accuse him of being obstructionist?

    Of course Bush will try to minimize the damage by printing more money like he has been for the past two years.

    Congress controls the printing of money, not the President.

    You remind me of a pot-soaked jackass I (rarely) hang around with who actually thinks GWB originated the Kelo decision. Or that moron in Colorado who blamed Bush for that tasing incident carried out by UF police for the benefit of Senator Kerry.

    Pretty soon the Loonie is going to be worth more than the dollar, and I don’t think that has ever happened before.

    And what if it does? It’s not the first time the dollar has been weak against foreign currencies (see: Carter administration) and it won’t be the last.

    Aren’t you the one lecturing people about not jumping at bogeymen?

    Statistically, (and that is what you should judge your fear factor on) the chances of you being attacked by Muslim terrorists is extremely low.

    That wasn’t the question, jackass. FYI, risk involves two primary factors, probability and magnitude. The chance that something will happen is only one side of the equation. The other is the amount of damage that will occur if it does. This is the sort of evaluation I have to make and communicate on a daily basis. I’d direct you to someone with specific expertise in risk management (since you automatically dismiss anything I tell you) - unfortunately the muzzies killed him.

    Quite frankly DJ, your risk evaluation ability sucks horse pussy.

    You would have a better argument if there were IEDs going off here every day, snipers picking off drivers on the I5, or people being mowed down in a shopping mall by Muslim terrorists on a killing spree.

    And if people like you have their way, that is exactly what will happen. In fact, we’ve already had a string of killings by Muslim snipers, at least two large scale shootings by Muslim gunmen, and at least one large scale vehicular assault by a Muslim. We’ve also foiled plots involving an assault on one of our Army bases, a plot to detonate fuel lines at a major airport, and a Muslim racing toward a sensitive installation with a carload of homemade explosives.

    Sure, DJ, there’s no danger at all; move along, nothing to see here. Moose lips…

    > (Sidenote: The number of Americans killed by
    > terrorists in the past century is about the same as
    > the number killed by earthquakes - and that’s
    > including the 1906 San Francisco quake.)

    And the majority of those were killed on one day.

    Which, the earthquake or terrorist victims? I’ll save you the trouble, since looking things up isn’t your strong suit; in both cases the largest total was about 3,000 in one day. The point, which you deliberately missed, is that in terms of RISK OF DEATH they’re about equal - contrary to your claim that earthquakes are more dangerous. Admit it DJ, you were WRONG AGAIN.

    I could have said floods, or some other natural disaster.

    But you didn’t - you specified earthquakes. Maybe you should have checked the figures? Floods would have been a better choice - that would at least get you a risk ratio slightly less than 3:1.

    I could also have said murders — which are far more dangerous to us and happen with much greater frequency.

    Leaving aside the niggling detail that terrorist attacks *ARE* murders, I find it amusing that you now claim violent crime is a danger. You claimed not long ago that hurricanes were much more dangerous. Which is it, DJ?

    But I mentioned earthquakes because they are more likely to happen than a terrorist attack.

    Well, that gets us back to the problem of magnitude of risk (as opposed to probability); you can’t just pick whichever factor is more convenient and ignore the other one. Whether earthquake or terrorist attack, the primary risk people care about is whether they’ll DIE as a result. And so far, the risk of DEATH from either is about equal.

    Though quite honestly, I’m not picky which one takes out SF; good riddance either way.

    Do I have to preface everything I say with the words, “I hate terrorists”, and end each sentence with “death to all terrorists”?

    No, but every once in a while it might be nice if you made some admission of reality. Something like, “As concerned as I am about the treatment of prisoners at Gitmo, it has to be noted that it’s still far better than they would ever treat us.” Is that really so difficult?

  118. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    We would careen around corners, jump road dividers, reach speeds in excess of 100 mph and often cross over to the wrong side of the street, oncoming traffic be damned.

    I’m not going to bother with what’s going on here in the comments exactly but….

    LMAO. Poor little delicate girl having to drive around like this. I noticed no concerns for roadside bombs and such but the driving!? Shit, I was in Cairo in 2004, where there is no war and that is everyday driving over there. Shoot, they don’t even use headlights at night except for going through intersections because someone with a bad alternator started the rumor the headlights ruin the battery.

    :em99:

  119. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Folks

    You certainly can tell me to get stuffed, being a new arrival on these posts, however I am observing a worrisome trend here. Threats!?! This whole blog idea was to exchange comments, ideas, differing views, debates, but are we sinking to Threats really?!? As a new LC, of all the posts I have had the privilege to read, the comments contained therein make me wonder, is that what it degenerates into when somebody consistently offers a different point of view?!? We tend to be passionate folks, hence the reason for our comments and exchanges, but to resort to threats and insults is most destructive, and nothing will be achieved except hurt egos and feelings. I, for one, enjoys each posts. Stimulating, interesting certainly, until I read the threats and gratuitous insults. We are better people than this surely. Am I wrong to say so, oh Emperor?!?

  120. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Boss

    “nazzo fast, Guido. I’m not voting for this unless I get…”

    Hey, HEY, HEY! Leave me outta this one, please!

    (I’ve more sense than to get involved in politics as a potential electee, anyways!)

  121. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Hardclimber

    This is pretty much business as usual for Spats and Deej. You should see them when they get really upset with each other! (Talk about thermite and propane tanks!)

  122. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Sir Guido Cabrone

    Thank you for the reassurance! I had visions of “double barrel greetings” and “.357 settlements”… with some of the good folks.

    Thermite and propane tanks… Let me guess, not for BBQs either huh..? I do admire DJ for his stand though, takes a pretty confident man to take it from all sides, even if I do not always agree with the man.
    Pretty good crowd, those LCs… Thanks again! :em69:

  123. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Hardclimber:

    Spats and I have been hurling insults at each other for several years. I pull his chain, and he predictably responds by threating to beat me up — if only I would show up there. For some reason, he never threatens to come up here to beat me up, I have to go down there to get thrashed.

    Go figure.

    Hell, I’ve even offered to pick him up at the airport once. He could beat me up, then we could go out drinking afterwards.

    But no, I have to go down there to Texas.

    (Just don’t tell him that I will be in Texas — Houston — in December, if I am physically up to it)

    I am sure he enjoys the battle as much as I do. If I took anything here seriously, I would be a fucking wreck.

    Now on to the Dukester:

    Of course, you couldn’t leave it at that and are lying by implication, by your deliberate failure to acknowledge that the Republicans faced the same situation during most of the time they were in ‘complete control’ of Congress. Can we say, ‘judicial nominees’ people?

    Yes, Democrats used the filibuster to block ten nominees that they felt really shouldn’t be judges. They eventually caved on a few of them.

    But they didn’t block virtually every piece of legislation that Republicans introduced with the threat of a filibuster. (so far it has only been the threat of a filibuster. If I were Reid, I would force the Republicans to actually follow through and filibuster. The hell with just threatening to. Make them do it.)

    I don’t care if this Congress doesn’t get a fucking thing passed for the next two years. Sometimes, nothing is better than something.

    Given the evidence, an economic stimulus program which has been rather successful.

    It has? We’ve been living off of credit for the past six years. The entire Iraq war has been an off-the-books expenditure that so far has cost a half a trillion bucks. I would say that we have been borrowing and spending money like a drunken sailor, but that gives drunken sailors a bad name.

    Fred! had it partially right in yesterday’s debate:

    FRED THOMPSON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think we need to tell them the truth that our security is on the line, that our economy is on the line, that our prosperity is on the line. We are going to have to do some things differently.

    We are probably going to have to spend more than four percent of our budget than we are spending right now on our military. We are bankrupting the next generation of those yet to be born. Those are truthful things that the American people, I think, have an intuition about. We need to own up to it. It is not all gloom and doom. [Emphasis mine]

    I think it is doom and gloom if we don’t get a handle on it — and soon. The economy is not ‘rosey’, it is artificial.

    It’s also kind of stupid to blame a President for budgets when CONGRESS makes and passes them.

    Uh, for the first six years, the Congress was nothing more than a rubber stamp for the President. Everything he asked for — he got. If Democrats brought up legislation or amendments, they never got introduced, or they were never voted on. Some were even stripped in the reconciliation meetings between the House and the Senate (where no Democrats were allowed)

    You mean, allowed Congress to do so lest you and your ilk accuse him of being obstructionist?

    Oy vey. Does your thesaurus have “requested” or “demanded”, or “cajolled” as a synonym for “allowed”?

    How often would the Democrats be accused of being “traitors” or “unpatriotic” if they wouldn’t go along with the President’s mad spending?

    Notice that the president has that veto pen he recently discovered after the 2006 election? He is so ‘tough’ on spending money on sick children, but he certainly has no problem spending gobs of money on everything else.

    Congress controls the printing of money, not the President

    Actually, a private corporation called the Federal Reserve controlls the printing of our money. And the head of that Federal Reserve is appointed by the President.

    You can read about it here if you want.

    Which, the earthquake or terrorist victims? I’ll save you the trouble, since looking things up isn’t your strong suit; in both cases the largest total was about 3,000 in one day. The point, which you deliberately missed, is that in terms of RISK OF DEATH they’re about equal - contrary to your claim that earthquakes are more dangerous. Admit it DJ, you were WRONG AGAIN.

    Actually, earthquakes happen on a daily basis, and I will admit that it was a bad analogy to use. The POINT I was trying to make (and I failed miserably to make it) was that you are more likely to suffer some other calamity than you are to be attacked by a terrorist.

    Something bad is going to happen sometime and somewhere. How do I know? Because something bad has happened somewere several times in the past, and it only stands to reason it will happen again.

    We are likely — if not certainly — going to be hit with an asteroid sometime in the future. It could be as early as tomorrow, or hundreds of thousands of years from now. When it does, it could completely wipe us out.

    Should I be worried about it? Should I live in fear? Should I demand the government to do something about it?

    There is always going to be some group, or some nation who will not like us. Most will never get further than not liking us. Some might actually become proactive and lash out. It might be a tiny handful of nutjobs like those who attacked us on 9/11 that will inflict a lot of damage, or they might be a nation that declares war and attacks us militarily.

    Hell, it might even be a home-grown group like the Montana Freemen or some other militia. (like that would never happen…)

    Here is a question for you: Is instilling fear into a person or a nation a form of terrorism? After all, the purpose of terrorism is to instill fear, is it not?

    That would mean that if Democrats are considered “traitors” because we dare to speak out against a war on a tactic called “terrorism”, then it only stands to reason that Republicans are “terrorists” because they continually try to keep us afraid of that tactic.

  124. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    To add to Hardclimber’s comment, I would hope also that we LCs would agree that we do disagree on a few things, will continue to do so, and that doesn’t warrant insulting and petulant remarks from other LCs.

  125. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Spats and I have been hurling insults at each other for several years. I pull his chain, and he predictably responds by threating to beat me up — if only I would show up there. For some reason, he never threatens to come up here to beat me up, I have to go down there to get thrashed.

    That’s because the last chickenshit pussy libtard that I went to go see after he bleated that he wanted a piece of me - fellow by the nom de plume of Non-Moron, as I recall - predictably went and hid in his Fort Lauderdale trailer park once I hit the Miami area.

    So yeah - you’re such a hot shit, calling me “coward” and insulting my intelligence - yeah, you come down here and do it. Not that you ever would, liberals being the little wusses they are and all.

    Yes, Democrats used the filibuster to block ten nominees that they felt really shouldn’t be judges. They eventually caved on a few of them.

    But they didn’t block virtually every piece of legislation that Republicans introduced with the threat of a filibuster.

    Why not? That’s what a filibuster’s supposed to be for. Not throwing temper-tantrums over judicial appointees.

    But then, far be it from me to expect socialist fucks to know how deliberative bodies actually work.

    Notice that the president has that veto pen he recently discovered after the 2006 election? He is so ‘tough’ on spending money on sick children, but he certainly has no problem spending gobs of money on everything else.

    Perhaps you can come up with a coherent explanation as to why sick children are George W. Bush’s responsibility, rather than that of said children’s parents. Or why the Demoscum were trying to expand the definition of “children” to those as old as 25. Or why I should be expected to pay for said 25-year-old’s health care.

    Note, I said coherent - meaning “shove the Demoscum talking points back up your ass before answering”.

    That would mean that if Democrats are considered “traitors” because we dare to speak out against a war on a tactic called “terrorism”,

    You’re considered traitors (note the absence of the quote marks) because you’re giving aid & comfort to people who killed our citizens and are now killing our soldiers. You people want the United States to lose, and that makes you people traitors.

    then it only stands to reason that Republicans are “terrorists” because they continually try to keep us afraid of that tactic.

    Coming from a supporter of a Putrid-assed Political Pusbag Party™ that has constantly attempted to instill fear in seniors (”They’re gonna take away your Social Security & throw you down the stairs!!!”), parents (”They want your child to get sick & die!!!!!”), the weak-kneed (”They don’t want to get rid of dangerous guns like assault rifles!!!! THEY WANT TO SEE YOU DIE!!!!!”) and the rest of the populace in general (”They want you to breathe dirty air and drink dirty water!!!!!!1″), this is probably the Biggest Bag o’ Bombastic Bullshit™ to ever have come from your keyboard.

    Hypocrisy much, Dave?

  126. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    That’s because the last chickenshit pussy libtard that I went to go see after he bleated that he wanted a piece of me - fellow by the nom de plume of Non-Moron, as I recall - predictably went and hid in his Fort Lauderdale trailer park once I hit the Miami area.

    You actually got in the jalopy and drove all the way over there? What the hell for? Is anything said here worth all that effort?

    So yeah - you’re such a hot shit, calling me “coward” and insulting my intelligence - yeah, you come down here and do it. Not that you ever would, liberals being the little wusses they are and all.

    Again, I’m not the one who is mad, so why would/should I take all that effort to come down to see you? I could send you a pizza.

    Why not? That’s what a filibuster’s supposed to be for. Not throwing temper-tantrums over judicial appointees.

    But then, far be it from me to expect socialist fucks to know how deliberative bodies actually work.

    Hmmm, I don’t recall seeing that in any of the rules. It just allowed for filibusters to slow down the deliberative process of the Senate, and presidential appointment deliberations are part of that deliberative process.

    To think that Republicans almost did away with the filibuster. I remember saying right here that it would be a mistake if that happened.

    Besides, don’t think for a nano-second that when Hillary is president, and Ginsberg dries up and blows out of the Supreme Robe, that Republicans aren’t going to filibuster whoever Hillary decides to stick in there. Especially if she names Bill Clinton to the Bench. :em99:

    [was that an aneurysm you just suffered? Sorry, Spats] :em99:

    Perhaps you can come up with a coherent explanation as to why sick children are George W. Bush’s responsibility, rather than that of said children’s parents. Or why the Demoscum were trying to expand the definition of “children” to those as old as 25. Or why I should be expected to pay for said 25-year-old’s health care.

    I think sick children are all of our responsibilities. You want to save the fetus, but to hell with the child? You are repeating the talking points of Grover Norquist, making it seem like everyone up to the age of 25 would be eligible.

    Yes, there have always been some people up to the age of 25 who have been eligible under the S-CHIP program. They require long-term care — usually institutionalized care — that was started as a child. One such case will probably be Gemma Frost, whose 12-year old brother gave the Democrat response to Bush’s radio address. She suffered brain damage in a car accident and will probably need some form of care for the rest of her life.

    Contrary to airheads like Michelle Malkin, who had the gall to publish this kid’s address, and then show up at the house to “question” the family.

    The lies the right wingnut blogs put out about this family are outlandish. They said the kid was really a “rich kid” and attend wealthy private schools that cost “nearly $40,000 per year for tuition” and live in a well-off home.

    Here are the facts:

    1. Graeme has a scholarship to a private school. The school costs $15K a year, but the family only pays $500 a year.
    2. His sister Gemma attends another private school to help her with the brain injuries that occurred due to her accident. The school costs $23,000 a year, but the state pays the entire cost.
    3. They bought their “lavish house” sixteen years ago for $55,000 at a time when the neighborhood was less than safe.
    4. Last year, the Frosts made $45,000 combined. Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined.
    5. The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

    Some people just can’t afford health insurance. Do you think the kids should have to suffer because their parents can’t afford the insurance?

    Better yet, would you let that kid die?

  127. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    5. The state of Maryland has found them eligible to participate in the CHIP program.

    Correct. Which is what covered the kids, NOT S-CHIP. See? THEY DON’T FUCKING NEED S-CHIP, BECAUSE IT DIDN’T FUCKING EXIST WHEN THEY HAD THEIR ACCIDENT. So how, exactly, does that make Graeme a poster child for S-CHIP?

    Answer: It doesn’t.

    Some people just can’t afford health insurance. Do you think the kids should have to suffer because their parents can’t afford the insurance?

    Oh but they CAN. They could sell their second property or, HEAVEN FORBID, one of the layabout parents could get a fucking JOB. Heard of those?

    Think I wouldn’t love to have the Missus at home all day long with the kids? I sure as Hell would, but then who’d get to pick up the tab for the insurance that comes with her JOB? (There’s that dirty word again).

    But I suppose that’s just blatantly unfair. I should just make her quit her job and let my neighbors pay for our insurance. Oh, and they could pay the mortgage too. That way I wouldn’t have to work either! Hey, I LOVE this plan. Only problem is, I don’t get to enjoy it for long before my neighbors string me up in righteous anger.

    There are any number of things I’d love to do that would make my life much easier. Unfortunately, I can’t. Because if I did, then MY kids would have to suffer for the idiotic, self-indulgent choices I made.

    I fail to see why my already overworked, underpaid, overtaxed neighbors should subsidize that.

    Better yet, would you let that kid die?

    Oh give me a fucking break, Dave. Nobody were going to let that kid die. Have you been reading EUroweenie newspapers again?

    But hey, two can play that game:

    Over here, I have the paraplegic, 11-year-old orphan of two parents that got wiped out on 9/11 because both of her parents worked in the WTC. Here’s her statement (well, not really HERS, my staffers wrote it for her, but she’s really good at reading cue cards):

    “Dear America. On 9/11, 2001, both my parents got murdered by Islamofascists. That left me all alone, orphaned with a disability that ties me to a wheelchair all of my waking hours. Now, as Iran continues its nuclear program and keeps threatening to use their weapons on Israel and her allies, us among them, I fear that I may lose even more. Therefore, it is my firm conviction that we should promptly nuke all of Iran, just to be safe.”

    What, Dave? You don’t agree?

    WHY DO YOU HATE ORPHANS SO MUCH, YOU BRUTE!? HAVE YOU NO SHAME, NO COMPASSION? DON’T YOU FEEL HER PAIN?

    Sheesh…

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    Since we’re talking about health insurance, I know one way to reduce the costs..do NOT go to the Emergency Room for a runny nose or to get your meds refilled! Under law, the ER HAS to see you even if there is a clinic down the road that could take care of your needs lickety split and have you in and out faster at LESS COST. Oh yeah, that’s right…it wouldn’t be FREE and you’d have to pay SOMETHING even if it’s only 5 bucks.

    My kid had to wait almost an hour in pain, on a Sunday afternoon, due to a fractured elbow, because the ER was understaffed and crowded with patients, most of whom I will bet money on didn’t NEED to be there.

    That’s ONE of the problems right there…the ERs in this country should have the right to turn away pts if it’s deemed your situation isn’t an emergency OR urgent.

  129. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Again, I’m not the one who is mad, so why would/should I take all that effort to come down to see you? I could send you a pizza.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah - it’d only take you “30 minutes” to fuck up my life and you’re outta practice blah blah blah yada yada yada…

    And I could jump in my “jalopy”, drive to Washington, plant 8 .45 ACPs in your skull and shove the pizza back up your ass if you tried it. I just don’t think you’re stupid enough to, despite not having the Harvard & Yale sheepskins.

    Hmmm, I don’t recall seeing that in any of the rules

    I don’t recall seeing in your so-called “rules” where it took 60 votes to confirm a judge. But that’s what your fellow socialist leftards wanted to do, isn’t it?

    Besides, don’t think for a nano-second that when Hillary is president,

    I wouldn’t count on that happening anytime soon, Dave. Except maybe in your bong-induced wet dreams.

    I think sick children are all of our responsibilities.

    I think your sick children are your responsibility, and mine are mine. I sure as Hell don’t expect you to pay for mine, and I also sure as Hell don’t wanna pay for yours.

    I know that’s a foreign concept for you, but we don’t do things here like they’re done in Mother Russia.

    You want to save the fetus, but to hell with the child?

    Still trying to get rid of that straw, eh, Dave? Why don’t you go all the way and call the baby “a clump of cells”?

    You are repeating the talking points of Grover Norquist

    And if I am? He’s still a helluva lot smarter than you are…

    Contrary to airheads like Michelle Malkin

    Still casting aspersions on the intelligence of your betters? Where are those Harvard & Yale diplomas of yours again, Dr. Dumbfuck?

  130. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Spats

    shove the pizza back up your ass if you tried it.

    Euh, let me guess, you don’t like pizza..? Geez, I wouldn’t want to see you REALLY pissed off!!!

    but we don’t do things here like they’re done in Mother Russia.

    [Fixed it fer ye, HC. Cthulu forbid one of my quotes be attributed to you. -S.]

    And they don’t like pizza in Russia either, I imagine… :em93:

    Lady Heather

    Help! The kids won’t play nice! :em99:

  131. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Contrary to airheads like Michelle Malkin

    Deej you just busted your own cherished PC benchmarks, not only did you insult a WO-MAN, but a Min-ORITY as well!1 Oh the horror!

    Waaaait for it….Perpetual outrage in 5..4…3…2…1

    Fucking facsist racist nazi!! She’s Asian you prick !
    *sputter* *spint* *seethe*

    And Oh yeah!!

    Airheads are Blonde! Dumb ass librals I swear!

    *sputter* *spint* *seethe*

    /Rant off

    “We now return you to your normally scheduled programing”.

  132. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    DJ

    Maybe you should send a pizza to CiSSnarl5.7 as well… Ranting in this fashion has got to make one hungry. And CiSSnarl, don’t pull a “Spats” on Deej and go shove the pizza back up his ass please, it makes the pizza taste funny… (sure brings a new meaning to “all dressed” doesn’t it).

    Enough levity for you guys!? :em99:

  133. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    HC,

    Lady Heather

    Help! The kids won’t play nice!

    My thoughts exactly, HC :em93:

    Misha might want to consider putting them both in “time out” or putting them on the “naughty step”. :em99:

  134. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Misha might want to consider putting them both in “time out” or putting them on the “naughty step”. :em99:

    Nah, it adds to the — ambience around here. If we start making people play nice, we’ll turn into… A nice place! *shudder* ;)

  135. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Thanks but no Pizza needed.
    In my never ending quest to bring enlightenment about lil tiny Q8 to the fellow LC’s of the Empire here is a list.

    Kuwait has the following resturants:
    Pizza Hut
    Dominos
    Little Cesars
    Booger King
    SmacDonalds
    Hardees
    Chili’s
    Ruby Tuesdays
    Starbucks x 10,000,000,000,0000
    Popeyes Fried Chicken (Also known as Chruches in the U.S. but you can’t call something a “church” in Kuwait, although there is a Catholic Church here..you figure it out I ain’t quite grasped that whole condundrum just yet…)
    Kentucky Fried Chicken
    No Taco Hell tho, (but that’s not much use unless you’ve been drinking like a fish and it’s 3am)…
    TGI Fridays
    Dunkin Dognuts
    Crispy Creme Dognuts
    Chi-Chi’s (Non Alcholic Margaritta’s *YAWN*)

    Hungry??..fire up your PC (or Mac ) and visit http://www.6alabat.com

    Click point…Click, point, Click …food shows up 30 minutes later..keep in mind tho, you’re dealing with folks that might not read English or even Arabic very well, and your order may or may not be correct…ya’ pays ya dinars…ya take yer chances. LOL

  136. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    If we start making people play nice, we’ll turn into… A nice place! *shudder* ;)

    Enabler! :em99:

  137. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Kuwait has the following resturants:

    What? No Hooters?

  138. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    What? No Hooters?

    LOL…Mmm No sadly no Hooters…We do have a Hard Rock tho..which I’ve never visited, something about being in a Hard Rock and not being able to order up a microbrew is..is…THAT’S JUST WRONG!

  139. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Correct. Which is what covered the kids, NOT S-CHIP. See? THEY DON’T FUCKING NEED S-CHIP, BECAUSE IT DIDN’T FUCKING EXIST WHEN THEY HAD THEIR ACCIDENT. So how, exactly, does that make Graeme a poster child for S-CHIP?

    Hmmm. Since a lot of people have problems with mainstream news sources, I decided to use Redstate as a “reliable” source for you. I will quote from their “research” of this:

    The Frost’s were tapped by Democrats because the family’s medical bills were paid by the SCHIP program.

    Okay, that’s enough of the ‘reliable’ news. The fact is, SCHIP has been around since 1997, so I don’t know where you got the idea that it wasn’t around when their accident occured.

    Oh but they CAN. They could sell their second property or, HEAVEN FORBID, one of the layabout parents could get a fucking JOB. Heard of those?

    They own a second property in an industrial section of the city under the name of Frederick Halsey Frost’s company, Diversified Industrial Design Center.

    I would think that IS his job. So you are saying that he should sell off his business — being the capitalist he is — and use that money to what, get health insurance for his kids who now have pre-existing conditions?

    You are also making the assumption that he owns both properties outright.

    Redstate also makes a big deal about the price of the home:

    The family resides in the up-and-coming Butchers Hill neighborhood of Baltimore, where they own a three-story brick home valued at more than $263,000.

    Baltimore’s median house value is $218,160 Fifteen years ago, when the Frosts bought the house, they paid $55,000. Property values have doubled just since 2002. Now you might think that $263,000 is a lot of money for a house when you consider that the median price of a house in Dallas is around $177,000, but I can tell you that around here, you would have a hard time buying the garage to a house for that price. We are hovering around $500,000 for the median cost., and that doesn’t buy much.

    God forbid that your children end up in a similar situation — you would then find out what it is like trying to provide health insurance for someone with a pre-existing serious medical problem.

    I have a friend with two children. He makes about $65k per year and he pays $2200 a month for health insurance for his family of four. This is the group plan his employer provides. It was only slightly less at his previous job, yet he was only making $50k there.

    He would be eligible for SCHIP, but he chooses not to. He’s kind of a funny Liberal that way.

    Think I wouldn’t love to have the Missus at home all day long with the kids? I sure as Hell would, but then who’d get to pick up the tab for the insurance that comes with her JOB? (There’s that dirty word again).

    You apparently didn’t notice that both parents work. They have a combined income of $45-50,000 a year. Now it isn’t a king’s ransom, and it is below Baltimore’s median household income of $60,117.00

    I fail to see why my already overworked, underpaid, overtaxed neighbors should subsidize that.

    Well, if there wasn’t a SCHIP program, you AND your overworked, underpaid, overtaxed neighbors would be paying even more for every emergency room visit. You are going to pay one way or the other, so which would you prefer: More or less? Those are your only two choices.

    Oh give me a fucking break, Dave. Nobody were going to let that kid die. Have you been reading EUroweenie newspapers again?

    Well, you are either going to pay for this program, or force them to go to the emergency room. If you say neither, then you would be for allowing the kid to die.

    Okay, so I ask again, which choice would you prefer: paying more or paying less? The SCHIP program is far cheaper than sending the kid to the emergency room when it is almost too late.

    What, Dave? You don’t agree?

    Is that a hyperbolic keyboard you are using, or are you making a fruit salad with all those apples, oranges and bannanas?

    Yeah, yeah, yeah - it’d only take you “30 minutes” to fuck up my life and you’re outta practice blah blah blah yada yada yada…

    I can’t help it if you are too stubborn to see the forest through the trees. Be an idiot and post your address online and dare someone to do something. Just don’t complain when something happens.

    And I could jump in my “jalopy”, drive to Washington, plant 8 .45 ACPs in your skull and shove the pizza back up your ass if you tried it. I just don’t think you’re stupid enough to, despite not having the Harvard & Yale sheepskins.

    You really are stupid, aren’t you? You realize that you just provided the premeditation portion of your death penalty murder case don’t you? Which will it be for you? Hanging or leathal injection? :em99:

    Would I send you a pizza? If I got it in my mind, how would you stop me? You about as threatening to me as a Periwinkle is. Would I be the one fucking with your life? Nope. I don’t do that any more. But I thought that as a friend, I would warn you that there are a LOT of people out here who would, and would do it just because they could.

    I don’t recall seeing in your so-called “rules” where it took 60 votes to confirm a judge. But that’s what your fellow socialist leftards wanted to do, isn’t it?

    In the same place is says it takes 60 votes to pass any legislation. The filibuster is a tool designed to slow down legislation and the entire deliberative process regardless of what the order of business is. There is no rule or requirement that says Congress HAS to pass or approve of anything, timely or otherwise. This gives the minority some power to prevent a run-away legislative process.

    I wouldn’t count on that happening anytime soon, Dave. Except maybe in your bong-induced wet dreams.

    Believe me, it isn’t a dream that I cherish. But the reality is, the woman is going to be the next president, unless Bush suspends the Constitution. There is no one on the Right that can come close to beating her, and there is only one on the Left that can come close to it, and he isn’t running.

    So get ready for President Hillary Clinton, and her First Husband, Bill. *shudder*

    I think your sick children are your responsibility, and mine are mine. I sure as Hell don’t expect you to pay for mine, and I also sure as Hell don’t wanna pay for yours.

    Sure, that looks real good on paper, and some times it works out that way. But it only takes one catastrophe to throw all of that wishful thinking right out the window.

    There are a lot of things that I pay that go for “your children”. I don’t have kids in school, yet I pay property taxes that go to the schools. I pay for the parks your kids play in, I even pay higher ticket prices in the theaters so that your kids could pay less. I pay higher auto insurance because your teen-aged kid might not be such a great driver.

    If your kid went to the emergency room, guess who is paying for it? Why, that would be you, me, and everyone.

    I could go on, and on, and on, but either you got the point or you didn’t.

    Deej you just busted your own cherished PC benchmarks, not only did you insult a WO-MAN, but a Min-ORITY as well!1 Oh the horror!

    You are right about her being a “minority”: There are very few idiots like her. She is of the same caliber as Ann-the-mann Coulter, who now thinks that the nation would be better off if all Americans were Christian and that she wants “Jews to be perfected, as they say.” [here is the FAUX News source, since it hurts your eyes to see anything else]

    This man-thing is your hero, your ’spokesman’ and your torch-carrier. Michelle Malkin is only trying to catch up to Ann.

    Fucking facsist racist nazi!! She’s Asian you prick !
    *sputter* *spint* *seethe*

    Unlike you, I didn’t interject her race or her gender into it. She is an airhead, and that crosses all racial and gender boundaries. I personally don’t care what she is. There are people like her where you measure her IQ with a manometer to determine the inches of mercury in her head.

    She is also mean to the point of being obnoxious. If she had shown up at my house uninvited, it would have been the last time she would have considered something so fucking stupid.

  140. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Okay, that’s enough of the ‘reliable’ news. The fact is, SCHIP has been around since 1997, so I don’t know where you got the idea that it wasn’t around when their accident occured.

    I misspoke then, but it doesn’t alter my point one bit: They were already covered, so how does that make them a poster case for an EXPANSION of the program? Good source, by the way. Pity you didn’t read it all the way to the end:

    “Whether the program is expanded modestly, as President Bush has proposed, or up to $50 billion as Congressional Democrats want, the family would be unaffected.”

    Onwards and upwards:

    I would think that IS his job. So you are saying that he should sell off his business — being the capitalist he is — and use that money to what, get health insurance for his kids who now have pre-existing conditions?

    Hmmm… Let’s see, what would I do? Sell off assets to provide for my child’s care (something that Frost doesn’t have to, even under the EXISTING program), or insist that those assets are my G-d given right and that my neighbors should pay so that I could keep them?

    Damn, that’s a tough one. I’ll get to that right after I decide whether I should take out a loan to buy a new car or just break into my neighbor’s house and steal the money. Unbearably tough, I tell you.

    You are also making the assumption that he owns both properties outright.

    I’m making the assumption that they at least have some equity in a property they’ve been living in for fifteen years. But, I know, that’s just plain unreasonable.

    God forbid that your children end up in a similar situation — you would then find out what it is like trying to provide health insurance for someone with a pre-existing serious medical problem.

    I know what it’s like to provide health insurance for someone, pre-existing condition or not. It’s called “giving up some of what you want to do in order to take a job with medical coverage.”

    Some people like to refer to it as the opposite of “selfishness”, but I prefer to just call it “pragmatism.” No, it’s not always pleasant, but it isn’t my neighbors’ problem either.

    You apparently didn’t notice that both parents work.

    Oh, but I did. The daddy is apparently self-employed and not too terribly good at it, since he can’t pay for medical insurance. He’s also too self-centered and egotistical, apparently, to give up his current choices in order to get a job that does provide the benefits that he can’t, deservedly or undeservedly, it doesn’t matter one little bit, pay for himself. I’m not saying that he MUST live his life other than how he wants to, I’m just saying that his choices aren’t MY responsibility. As to the mother: Same story. I don’t know WHY she apparently can’t work full time with bennies, I just know that it’s not MY FAULT.

    Well, if there wasn’t a SCHIP program, you AND your overworked, underpaid, overtaxed neighbors would be paying even more for every emergency room visit. You are going to pay one way or the other, so which would you prefer: More or less? Those are your only two choices.

    Oh yes. I’m absolutely sure that the efficiency would be much improved by extending the care to millions of perfectly capable middle class families and letting the government take care of business.

    You forget once again that I actually KNOW how government, and particularly government healthcare work.

    But, again, that’s not the point. I don’t give a flying fuck what you think might be more expensive. What I care about is that the poor kid’s care was already covered, WILL be covered, and that it DOESN’T require a drastic expansion of the DemCong’s control over every damn penny I earn.

    People on your side of the aisle would like for the Republicans to stay the hell out of their bedrooms. I happen to agree, so let’s make a deal. I work for that and, in return, all of you Democrats go to work on keeping the socialist swine DemCong the fuck out of my wallet.

    Fair enough?

  141. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Part of the reason healthcare costs are so high too, Dave, is because of the government intervention in it.

    When Medicare gets a bill for $5,000 for an inpatient admission, and agrees to only pay half of it (we don’t have a choice), the hospital cannot go after the patient for the remaining $2,500. So who gets stuck with it? The other patients. Private insurers catch on, and start reducing their payments and the health care entity has to agree to the reduction or they lose patients because said patients would have to pay everything out of pocket.

    If you want a good picture of what socialized medicine will look like in the USA, just look no further than the military and the VA system.

    Heard some good things about the (active) military system, but much bad too.

    The VA? Don’t think I’ve ever heard ANYTHING good about them. Is this what you want for every man, woman, child, and illegal alien in America?

  142. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    I can’t help it if you are too stubborn to see the forest through the trees. Be an idiot and post your address online and dare someone to do something. Just don’t complain when something happens.

    I’m shaking in my steel-toed boots, dumbass. Can’t you tell?

    You really are stupid, aren’t you? You realize that you just provided the premeditation portion of your death penalty murder case don’t you?

    You do realize that, should anything happen to me or my life become “fucked up”, as it were, you’re now the prime suspect in a federal case? Like I said, fuckhead, if you didn’t like “drug court”, imagine having your maggot-infested ass dragged up before a federal magistrate.

    You about as threatening to me as a Periwinkle is.

    When you’re hiding up there in Washington behind your keyboard and your ex-cop roomie, that’s not surprising.

    But that’s been the whole point all alone. You’re real brave, calling me “coward” and insulting the intelligence of Limbaugh listeners from Cthulu-knows-where. I doubt you’d be so brave face-to-face, chickenshit.

    In the same place is says it takes 60 votes to pass any legislation.

    It doesn’t. Except, apparently, when you obstructionist bastards want to derail judicial nominees.

    Believe me, it isn’t a dream that I cherish. But the reality is, the woman is going to be the next president, unless Bush suspends the Constitution. There is no one on the Right that can come close to beating her

    And you know this for an incontrovertible fact, over 365 days until the general election. That bong must have some pretty damned powerful shit.

    I could go on, and on, and on, but either you got the point or you didn’t.

    The only point is on the top of your head, dumbass.  Just because we’re already paying for emergency room care, your precious movie tickets (ever heard of Blockbuster, idjit?), ad infinitum, ad nauseam, IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO TRY AND SQUEEZE MORE OUT OF THE TURNIP.

    And since emergency rooms won’t go away if SCHIP is expanded, I choose not to expand it.

    You are right about her being a minority: There are very few idiots like her.

    And your Harvard/Yale sheepskins are still missing, Dr. Dumbfuck.

  143. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    Dave ,
    My oldest son was diagnosed with a genetic blood disorder, had to have his enlarged spleen removed, and will be on antibiotics probably the rest of his life. At the same time the wife was switching jobs and insurance sure we pay more for health insurance now but we never asked for you for help paying the bills. nor do we want the gubmint stealing money from you to pay for it. before you claim I am independently wealthy combined we pull down less then 45k. Everybody in this whining fucking country needs to stfu quit looking to mamma gubmint to take care of everything they need or want & suck It up, everyone has problems some of us just care to deal with them ourselves.

    When life gives you lemons, make lemonade

  144. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Spats:

    @#&^*%$#&%#*&%^(&%$*^%$*^%#

    DJ:

    blahblahblahblahblah

    Spats:

    ^#$@&$#*&^%$)*&%*^#&*^%(&%$!!!

    DJ:

    blahblahblahblahblah

    Me:

    ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz….

    I have an idea, which would be both tremendously entertaining to observers, and ameliorative to the two clowns in question:

    Let’s take up an Empire-Wide collection to see if we can’t get you two insufferable blowhards together somewhere midway between your respective outpatient MH/MR treatment centers, and put you in a steel cage so you can finally put some rubber on the road, as it were.

    We can probably even afford a video cam for posterity’s sake.

    What say ye, fellow minions? Ten bucks a piece for a chance to see a Two-Clown Smackdown™ for the ages?

  145. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Bacon!

    :em99: :em99: :em99: :em99:

    *High Five!*

  146. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Does that mean you’ll send me ten bucks?

    :em93:

  147. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Does that mean you’ll send me ten bucks?

    Come down here and cook supper for a week, and I’ll give it to ya. :em93:

  148. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Aw c’mon LadyH and Baco, I love watching Spats and Deej going at it, it’s like two drunk Uncles at a family reunion.

    Or a train wreck.

  149. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Crunch,

    Does that mean you’re sending me ten bucks, too?

  150. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    LH…

    A week?

    Sister, ten bucks isn’t even cab fare to where I park my truck…

  151. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Sure Baco, even though I know you’ll only use it for a strange hunt.

  152. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Aw c’mon LadyH and Baco, I love watching Spats and Deej going at it, it’s like two drunk Uncles at a family reunion.

    And just as embarrassing.

    Makes ya just want to scream “Jerry!Jerry!Jerry!”
    :em94:

  153. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    I know you’ll only use it for a strange hunt.

    No way, dude…

    It all goes towards Tangle O’Teh Tards 2K7™- The Fumble In The Jungle©

  154. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    so how does that make them a poster case for an EXPANSION of the program?

    It wasn’t his point that it would make his family receive more than they already have — in fact the purpose of the expansion is not to give the existing people more benefits, it is to give more people the chance to purchase affordable health care.

    You do realize that this isn’t necessarily “free” health care to the families don’t you? For example, if anyone had taken the time to read up on the program eligibility and payments, they would have learned that the family actually pays between $45 and $57 per month per child in Maryland.

    Since the Frost family has four kids, the income limit is capped at $82,830.

    Damn, that’s a tough one. I’ll get to that right after I decide whether I should take out a loan to buy a new car or just break into my neighbor’s house and steal the money. Unbearably tough, I tell you.

    Neither of which is what the parents are facing.

    Frost has a small business where he earns money to keep his family living in that good life in the “up and coming” neighborhood, where they’ve lived from before it was so “up and coming” They purchased their house fifteen years ago when it was only worth $55k, and now you want them to sell it off so they could rent a place and spend $2,000 a month on health insurance? Or sell the business that pays the family to live in the lifestyle that they’ve grown accustomed to? (As I mentioned, $160k worth of property in Dallas is a palace compared to $160K of building and property in Baltimore — especially for a business.

    I know what it’s like to provide health insurance for someone, pre-existing condition or not. It’s called “giving up some of what you want to do in order to take a job with medical coverage.”

    Maybe there is none available for him. I know you people like to tout how good this economy is going, but there are millions of people without any healthcare because the companies they work for don’t offer it or it is priced so far out of their reach.

    If you got a good job with affordable health care, then good on you. But don’t expect everyone to be able to get what you have because it just isn’t there for them.

    I just know that it’s not MY FAULT.

    I don’t recall anyone saying it is your ‘fault’ — or anyone else’s ‘fault’. In fact, unless you smoke, you aren’t even paying for it.

    Part of the reason healthcare costs are so high too, Dave, is because of the government intervention in it.

    You don’t think the private insurance companies aren’t contributing to the high costs too? It is amazing how much of your premiums are going to the income packages of the CEOs of some of these companies. Obscene, actually.

    I’m shaking in my steel-toed boots, dumbass. Can’t you tell?

    Which was exactly my point. duh.

    You do realize that, should anything happen to me or my life become “fucked up”, as it were, you’re now the prime suspect in a federal case? Like I said, fuckhead, if you didn’t like “drug court”, imagine having your maggot-infested ass dragged up before a federal magistrate.

    Not likely. My hands will be clean. It isn’t me you have to worry about. If I had wanted to fuck with you, I would have done it a long time ago — and I wouldn’t have talked about it.

    I was only trying to give you some advice. What you choose to do with that advice is up to you. You could stick it in your ass and blow it out your ears for all I care now.

    When you’re hiding up there in Washington behind your keyboard and your ex-cop roomie, that’s not surprising.

    This is getting to be a very silly and stupid conversation — if you could call it that. We could go back and forth telling each other how cowardly and stupid the other one is — to what point? Neither of us is going to do a fucking thing. You will be full of bravado and I would continue pulling your chain just to hear you bark.

    After a while it gets boring.

    and insulting the intelligence of Limbaugh listeners from Cthulu-knows-where.

    Honestly? If you take Rush seriously, I DO question your intelligence. He should be clearly labeled to say “For Entertainment Purposes Only”.

    It doesn’t. Except, apparently, when you obstructionist bastards want to derail judicial nominees.

    Did you need a hankie? You keep blubbering about derailing less than ten judicial nominees. How many were passed? More than a hundred?

    Like I said, there is no guarantee that Congress — majority or otherwise — is going to pass every nominee through just because the president and the majority say so. Not a fucking thing written anywhere says anything about an “up and down vote” being required for anything.

    You would want your party to use the same tactics to block Hillary from appointing Bill to the Supreme Court.

    And your Harvard/Yale sheepskins are still missing, Dr. Dumbfuck.

    And I never claimed to have degrees from Yale or Harvard. Does Yale or Harvard impress you or something? To me, they are just overpriced schools that don’t really mean anything different than a degree in any other school.

    And you know this for an incontrovertible fact, over 365 days until the general election. That bong must have some pretty damned powerful shit.

    You don’t have to be a genius to see how this is going to end up. Al Gore is the only unknown variable in this whole thing and I seriously doubt he is going to run.

    There isn’t anyone on the Republican side who has a chance of winning. Fred! is running out of steam before he ever started. Not one of the candidates excites the Religious Right, and people like Dobson aren’t likely to get behind any of the current declared candidates.

    Besides, the Religious Right would benefit greatly from a Hillary Presidency. It would solidify the base much better than having a Republican dud win.

    Let’s take up an Empire-Wide collection to see if we can’t get you two insufferable blowhards together somewhere midway between your respective outpatient MH/MR treatment centers, and put you in a steel cage so you can finally put some rubber on the road, as it were.

    Sure. Even with all of my bandages and fresh surgery wounds and stitches I could probably take him. I would put on my Bill Clinton mask and he couldn’t hit me.

    Besides, I am tired of talking to him. He is boring me.

  155. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    It wasn’t his point that it would make his family receive more than they already have — in fact the purpose of the expansion is not to give the existing people more benefits, it is to give more people the chance to purchase affordable health care.

    Which was exactly my point. Where exactly did I say that his point was to get more money for himself? It’s pretty clear that his arse was well-covered already.

    Which makes it even more despicable that the DemCong are using his kid as a human shield for their groping even further into my pocket.

    You do realize that this isn’t necessarily “free” health care to the families don’t you? For example, if anyone had taken the time to read up on the program eligibility and payments, they would have learned that the family actually pays between $45 and $57 per month per child in Maryland.

    I realize that it isn’t free for me, and that’s sort of the whole point, now isn’t it? I couldn’t honestly give a flip if the recipients pay 2%, 5% or 15% of the total costs, what I care about is why in the name of Satan’s left testicle the rest of us should pay for the difference at gunpoint.

    Neither of which is what the parents are facing.

    Oh, but it IS. They’re sitting on assets that can be liquidated, assets they built up in better times, and now that times aren’t so good, you’re trying to tell me that it’s MY responsibility to rescue their savings? The only difference between a burglar and a welfare recipient is that the burglar at least has the common courtesy to commit his thieving in person, rather than letting government do it for him.

    Frost has a small business where he earns money to keep his family living in that good life in the “up and coming” neighborhood, where they’ve lived from before it was so “up and coming” They purchased their house fifteen years ago when it was only worth $55k, and now you want them to sell it off so they could rent a place and spend $2,000 a month on health insurance? Or sell the business that pays the family to live in the lifestyle that they’ve grown accustomed to?

    What’s so fucking horrible about that? Since when did it become the rest of society’s responsibility to keep everybody in the lifestyle to which they’ve decided to become accustomed?

    You keep bringing up the fact that his house has increased in worth more than $200,000 over the last fifteen years. Good for him, I don’t begrudge him the windfall at all. He made a good investment and it paid off. That’s all as it should be. But now you’re saying that it’s horrible to expect him to bite into his little nest egg when his family’s health is in danger? What? He’s going to take it with him to the grave? His savings are somehow more important than mine or everybody else’s?

    If, Heaven forbid, my kids should need urgent medical care beyond what I could provide for them, do you honestly believe that I would think it beyond the pale to part with some of what I’ve scraped together over the years? Oh, I’d hate it alright, but you’d damn well better BELIEVE that I’d be at the pawn shop faster than you could say “it’s UNFAAAAAAAIR!” Then it’d be off to the real estate broker, every company in the metroplex who might offer me employment, ANY employment until I could make sure that my wee ones were well taken care of. I’d live in a fucking cardboard box sooner than I’d let them develop a sniffle.

    But not people like the Frosts. Oh no. They’re ENTITLED to keep every dime they ever made, no matter what. The rest of us? Not so much.

    Maybe there is none available for him.

    And maybe everybody just hates him. I don’t know. Don’t you think it would be nice if somebody would’ve asked before making him the poster dad for welfare expansion?

    I don’t recall anyone saying it is your ‘fault’ — or anyone else’s ‘fault’.

    Then why the FUCK should I or anybody else be made to pay for it at gunpoint? I don’t mind paying for my own mistakes, but I have to draw the line somewhere. Or do you think that MY family doesn’t need the money that this massive welfare expansion would cost me? Hey, I guess it’s OK for MY children to go hungry as long as His Royal Bumness, Halsey Frost, doesn’t have to part with a single trinket.

    In fact, unless you smoke, you aren’t even paying for it.

    So it’s the smokers’ fault? When the heck did THAT become relevant? I guess I should just sit down and say “the Hell with that, because somebody else is paying for it?”

    First they came for the smokers, but I didn’t smoke so I didn’t speak up. I do smoke, by the way, but that’s as much beside the point as that whole sentence of yours. Let’s make it a tax on redheads instead. I’m not a redhead. I guess that makes it OK. The Hell with those redheads anyway.

    You don’t think the private insurance companies aren’t contributing to the high costs too? It is amazing how much of your premiums are going to the income packages of the CEOs of some of these companies. Obscene, actually.

    They’re not contributing one red dime above what the market will bear. Because if they did, somebody else would underbid them and they’d go out of business right quick. That’s the beauty of capitalism.

    If government takes over, however, it’s a different story altogether. You see, they don’t have to be accountable to stockholders, nor does it matter one little whit if they redline year after year after year. They just raise taxes, problem “solved.” Except for us poor saps who are still stupid enough to earn a living, of course. We’re the ones who get to pay for all of the fat, incumbent, overpaid, underworked government fucknozzles.

    I repeat: I actually KNOW how that system works, Dave, so don’t start teaching your grandma how to suck eggs.

  156. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Unlike you, I didn’t interject her race or her gender into it. She is an airhead, and that crosses all racial and gender boundaries. I personally don’t care what she is. There are people like her where you measure her IQ with a manometer to determine the inches of mercury in her head.

    :em98: It was a joke, get over yourself DJ.

    That’s why I quit engaging you on this…you have too many knee jerk preconditioned responses to anything anyone less left then Barny Frank says, and ain’t one of them positive.

  157. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Which was exactly my point. Where exactly did I say that his point was to get more money for himself? It’s pretty clear that his arse was well-covered already.

    When you asked how that made them a “poster case for an EXPANSION of the program“, you also added the quote from RedState:

    “Whether the program is expanded modestly, as President Bush has proposed, or up to $50 billion as Congressional Democrats want, the family would be unaffected.[Emphasis mine]

    This led me to believe that you were talking about increasing the benefits for this family. If I misread what you said, I apologize.

    The point is, this kid wanted to share a good news story where this program worked for his family. It didn’t put them into bankruptcy, it didn’t force them to sell off their house or family business or give up their livelihood.

    I guess the alternative for this family would have been to abort the children when the wife was pregnant, then we wouldn’t be having THIS discussion. Maybe contraceptives? I’m thinking that would have gone against their Catholic teachings though.

    The fact is, this father is a trained wood worker. It is all he knows, and frankly he makes a fairly good living at it. But he can’t afford health care.

    This is the elephant in the room. While you are lucky enough to be able to afford health care, there are over 40 million people who can’t. “Get better jobs” is easy to belch out, but sometimes the reality is that there are no “better jobs” for these people.

    You consider this not your “fault”, and that would be a true statement. However it is the wrong way to look at it. It isn’t about fault, it is about responsibility as a member of a functioning society. We are only as strong as our weakest member.

    It never ceases to amaze me how some Christians seem to miss the main points that Jesus made when it came to looking out for the “least of us”. The camel through the eye of the needle should have also been a clue.

    You have told me that this was a nation founded on Christian values, yet I don’t recall seeing anything about Jesus saying we should reward greed and leave our neighbors to fend for themselves.

    What built this country’s middle class up was social programs that allowed the least of us to participate in the American dream. What has systematically reduced the middle class is the the attack on the middle class started by Ronald Reagan and carried on through now.

    It used to be that a family only needed one worker to earn a living — and a good one at that. They used to be able to buy a home, put two cars in the garage, and raise a family. The father might have worked for the same company for twenty or thirty years, earning a pension that supported him and his wife into their retirement. There was also money available to put their children through college, or at least pay part of the costs.

    But along came Saint Ronnie, and before you know it, the rich got richer, and the middle class started to slip. The wife started taking jobs just to keep the family in the middle class. Companies got swallowed up and costs were cut. Part of those costs were pensions and wages. Job security became a quaint memory.

    In order to keep up, we have to buy our crap from China now. Well, hell, all of the traditional American jobs went over there anyways, since labor is cheaper there.

    One of the biggest costs to labor is our current health care system. Workers want it, companies can’t afford it. The insurance companies keep the prices at what they think we can bear to pay — and not a red cent less.

    THAT is what your market can bear.

    Ah well, I am rambling. My last day “at work” and I am drugged up and still in constant pain. I will be on medical leave as of noon today, and I may or may not return to work some day in the future.

    It was a joke, get over yourself DJ.

    Yeah, that was a damn funny “joke”. Fits right up there with Ann Coulter’s Perfection of Jews “joke”.

    You know, some things don’t have to be brought up. There are things best left unsaid — even if you think they are funny.

    If I posted everything I’ve typed in this little box, you would REALLY hate me. I have typed entire sets of paragraphs only to delete them because I determined them inappropriate — even for this site.

  158. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    You know, some things don’t have to be brought up. There are things best left unsaid — even if you think they are funny.

    Mmmkayyy. Damn I forgot it’s okay for a Liberal to attack a woman, or a minority, Liberals can’t be racist or biggoted…How very silly of me.

    I happen to admire the woman, you attacked her, and I called you out on it. Period.

    What?? I’m supposed to give you a free pass on it?

    What’s next; the denial stage where you’re heard screeching “I never said that!!!!!!”?

  159. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Mmmkayyy. Damn I forgot it’s okay for a Liberal to attack a woman, or a minority, Liberals can’t be racist or biggoted…How very silly of me.

    Ah, but I didn’t attack her because she was a woman or a minority. I never even mentioned it — you did.

    I happen to admire the woman, you attacked her, and I called you out on it. Period.

    No, you inserted race and gender into it where it didn’t belong. Then you wanted to save it by saying it was a joke.

    I simply called her an “airhead”, along with being mean and callous. You don’t have to be of any particular race or gender to have those particular traits.

    What?? I’m supposed to give you a free pass on it?

    It might have been different if you had actually stuck to the point where I called her a mean and callous airhead. You still haven’t offered any rebuttal to that. Instead you muddied the waters by inserting race and gender which is something I never brought into the conversation.

    I could care less about anyone’s race or gender. I don’t care what they wear, who they sleep with, or what they do in the privacy of their relationships. For all I know, there are people here who dress up in rubber chicken suits and sit at their computers reading this site. While it might be rather strange, I just don’t care. That is between you and your chicken suit.

    What’s next; the denial stage where your heard screeching “I never said that!!!!!!”?

    Huh? I freely admit that I called her an airhead. She is mean, and obviously looking for attention, having had to live in the shaddow of people like Ann Coulter who I have to admit IS a lot more intelligent, and much more mean. At least she knows how to capitalize on her outrageous bullshit just to make a buck. It doesn’t mean that I “admire” Ann — I don’t. Ann just comes by her viciousness naturally, whereas Michelle has to try hard at it, and has a hard time pulling it off.

  160. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Maybe there is none available for him. I know you people like to tout how good this economy is going, but there are millions of people without any healthcare because the companies they work for don’t offer it or it is priced so far out of their reach.

    And what law says you have to get health insurance through your employer? Why can’t this gentleman scour the free market and find it on his own? Might even save him a little money.

    If you got a good job with affordable health care, then good on you. But don’t expect everyone to be able to get what you have because it just isn’t there for them.

    Guess that’s why it’s called equal opportunity, rather than equal results, huh, Dave?

    Which was exactly my point. duh.

    I see sarcasm is lost on you.

    Not likely. My hands will be clean.

    Not bloody likely, seeing as you’ve admitted you have the capability to do it.

    It isn’t me you have to worry about. If I had wanted to fuck with you, I would have done it a long time ago — and I wouldn’t have talked about it.

    Trust me, I’m hardly worried about a drug-infested Communist sympathizer who hides behind his computer and calls people “coward” and “airhead”.

    I was only trying to give you some advice. What you choose to do with that advice is up to you. You could stick it in your ass and blow it out your ears for all I care now.

    See above. Hell will freeze over before I take the advice of a leftard.

    This is getting to be a very silly and stupid conversation — if you could call it that. We could go back and forth telling each other how cowardly and stupid the other one is — to what point? Neither of us is going to do a fucking thing. You will be full of bravado and I would continue pulling your chain just to hear you bark.

    After a while it gets boring.

    Oh, boo-hoo-fucking-hoo!!! I’m boring a craven coward! Whatever am I gonna DOOOOOOOOO????? (SOB!!!!!)

    Honestly? If you take Rush seriously, I DO question your intelligence. He should be clearly labeled to say “For Entertainment Purposes Only”.

    And I’ll remind you YET AGAIN that you have yet to produce those Harvard & Yale diplomas, Dr. Dumbfuck.

    In fact, you probably ought to contact those diploma mills of yours and ask for your money back, since Limbaugh’s obviously more intelligent than you are.

    And I’ll also remind you again that you’re a fucking chickenshit who doesn’t have the balls to say that to my face.

    You keep blubbering about derailing less than ten judicial nominees.

    And you keep blubbering about how the Demoscum don’t have control of Congress, ’cause they can’t overcome any potential Republican filibusters. While saying very little about how the Republicans couldn’t do much with their majority, for the exact same reason.

    Hypocrisy much, dumbass?

    And I never claimed to have degrees from Yale or Harvard. Does Yale or Harvard impress you or something? To me, they are just overpriced schools that don’t really mean anything different than a degree in any other school.

    Still don’t get it, do you? As long as you keep casting aspersions on the intelligence of folks like Michelle Malkin, President Bush and listeners of Limbaugh, I’m going to throw it up in your face that you’re an abject dumbshit and that your credentials aren’t all that great (the fact that I can apparently outspell you with only a high-school diploma is a pretty good giveaway).

    Don’t like it? Come down here and do something about it.

    There isn’t anyone on the Republican side who has a chance of winning. Fred! is running out of steam before he ever started. Not one of the candidates excites the Religious Right, and people like Dobson aren’t likely to get behind any of the current declared candidates.

    The fact is that you have no idea what’s going to happen even six months from now, not to mention how a bimboid with 44% negative ratings - and who, it turns out, can’t even take credit for her own healthcare “proposals” (they were Bill’s) - can get elected to the highest office in the land.

    You. Flat. Out. Don’t. Know.

    And you’re paying too much attention to “people like Dobson”, which is another reason you’re not as intelligent as you think you are.

    Sure. Even with all of my bandages and fresh surgery wounds and stitches I could probably take him. I would put on my Bill Clinton mask and he couldn’t hit me.

    Bullshit. Even 100% healthy, you wouldn’t last 10 seconds against me.

    Besides, I am tired of talking to him. He is boring me.

    Then don’t let the door hit you on the ass.

    In order to keep up, we have to buy our crap from China now. Well, hell, all of the traditional American jobs went over there anyways, since labor is cheaper there.

    Well, whose fault is that? (Here’s a clue for you, dumbshit: *coughLaborUnionscough*

  161. DдrтH бдкфи Comment by DдrтH бдкфи

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    Well, whose fault is that?

    Slick Willy’s fault- he rammed through MFN status for China, even though nobody else wanted them in the WTO for precisely the type of shoddy goods and dumping they’re being caught out for now.

  162. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    I’m still waiting on Dave to give us his thoughts on the current military/VA (100% government sponsored) healthcare system and how that will be a *great thing* for ALL Americans.

    :em98:

  163. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Slick Willy’s fault- he rammed through MFN status for China, even though nobody else wanted them in the WTO for precisely the type of shoddy goods and dumping they’re being caught out for now.

    *nods* That, too - but such conditions have been a long time in coming, what with the Left’s (read: unions) excessive demand for guaranteed wages, job security, etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

    Not to mention the overhead to abide by all the fucking rules, regulations and mandates that Big Government demands that industry follow…

    I mean, if it costs more to make something here than it does there, can you blame business for wanting to save $$$?

    (Yes, I understand the employees’ position - but I also realize that business don’t exist to give them security…they exist to make a profit.)

  164. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Hell, I’ve even offered to pick him up at the airport once. He could beat me up, then we could go out drinking afterwards.

    Sounds like a typical South Boston wedding, funeral, wake, Christening, First Communion, graduation (8th grade - age 30), block party, etc, etc… :em99: :em58:

    Dave I disagree with over 90% of what you say, but you always crack me up! :em99:

  165. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    What built this country’s middle class up was social programs that allowed the least of us to participate in the American dream.

    Sure. It had nothing to do with the businesses that employed the masses that comprised the middle class. Government and taxes created the middle class.

    Pure comedy gold! :em99: You are Um Yeah with a Spellcheck™ right?

  166. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    What built this country’s middle class up was social programs that allowed the least of us to participate in the American dream.

    Henry Ford was a government employee?

  167. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Henry Ford was a government employee?

    Henry had a role to play, but let’s keep it in perspective. He had some pretty intrusive idosyncrasies when it came to his employees, he was a raging anti-semite, had to be convinced to step away from management in his company before his resistance to change completely destroyed it…and oh yeah, there was that little “Battle of the Overpass” donnybrook.

    Yes, he was an innovator who changed the rules of the game, but like such people, he had irritating tendencies that threatened to destroy what he had built with his own two hands.

  168. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    Ford helped build up both Hitler and Stalin’s war machines. He would fellate any dictator or tyrant.

    He’d be the Democrat standard bearer today.

  169. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    C’mon guys, you’re supposed to be on my side. :em95:

    I was giving Dave an example of an American entrepeneur
    (sic) who created industries guaranteeing high salaries, thus creating a strong middle class. :em41:

  170. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

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    That one was obvious Ms H :D

    Dave’s original comment was so out there that it’s natural for the thread to change direction. Thus Henry Ford.

  171. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    You are Um Yeah with a Spellcheck™ right?

    :em99: :em99:

    And a thesaurus.

    :em99: :em99:

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    You are Um Yeah with a Spellcheck™ right?

    And a script for Thorazine.

  173. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    And what law says you have to get health insurance through your employer? Why can’t this gentleman scour the free market and find it on his own? Might even save him a little money.

    Most often it doesn’t. The idea is to get into a group policy, not an individual one. Typically, companies will kick in some or all of the premiums for health insurance.

    Guess that’s why it’s called equal opportunity, rather than equal results, huh, Dave?

    No, equal opportunity is allowing everyone to have access to health care. I notice you still didn’t answer whether you are willing to pay more for when these kids have to go to the emergency room versus paying a nominal cost for preventive healthcare.

    I know you have troubles wraping your angry little mind around such complex concepts, but think: less money now versus a fucking LOT more money later.

    Not bloody likely, seeing as you’ve admitted you have the capability to do it.

    I have the capability of doing a whole lotta things. I have the expertise to do slightly more than a few of them. I have the desire to do even less than that.

    Frankly, you aren’t that interesting to me. You are a blowhard who would pee his pants the moment someone actually calls your bluff.

    Yeah, I spent a little time this afternoon just looking at all of the times and places you’ve dared people to “say it to your face”, then posted your address as if someone were actually going to take you up on it. Your first move would be to call 911 and whimper that someone was there to hurt you.

    And I’ll also remind you again that you’re a fucking chickenshit who doesn’t have the balls to say that to my face.

    I know people like you. All hat, no cattle. You’ve gotten so used to being a bully behind a keyboard, knowing that you can sell your woof tickets and you will still be safe there in your little apartment. Nobody is going to come down and call you on your bullshit — nobody thinks you are that fucking important.

    You were passing those CSITMFs like candy back in 2005. You hit a lot of sites back then with your bluster and most people just laughed at you.

    Frankly, if you were serious, you would come up here to let me “say it to your face”. That would show that YOU have the courage. Your way doesn’t demonstrate “courage”, it only demonstrates stupidity.

    Besides, I am rather ashamed of myself for even arguing with the likes of you. It is pointless, and a total waste of my energy.

    Now onto the more serious discussion:

    Slick Willy’s fault- he rammed through MFN status for China, even though nobody else wanted them in the WTO for precisely the type of shoddy goods and dumping they’re being caught out for now.

    Sorry, but every president since Carter has extended MFN status to China. I didn’t and still don’t agree with it — it has been a disasterous policy for us. We rewarded China just because we saw a market, not for any human rights improvements. But in recent years, that market has mainly been labor at our expense. We give them our jobs in exchange for cheap crap.

    Dave I disagree with over 90% of what you say, but you always crack me up!

    Then I am failing. My target is 100 percent.

    Sure. It had nothing to do with the businesses that employed the masses that comprised the middle class. Government and taxes created the middle class.

    Labor is also a product. Business bought labor for a price and that price was a fair wage and benefits. In exchange, labor produced a product that went on the market and other laborers who had money could buy that product for a fair price. Business prospered because labor prospered.

    But labor as a product is now being bought in China and other countries where it is a fraction of the cost it is here. Illegal aliens are flooding the labor markets here in this country driving down the “cost” of labor. The CEOs of businesses are getting richer, while the labor force is either stagnant or losing ground.

    The wealthiest one percent of all Americans earned 21.2 percent of all the nation’s income in 2005, up from 20.8 percent in 2000.

    The bottom half of working Americans earned just 12.8 percent of the nation’s income, down from 13.4 percent in 2004. The gap between the rich and the poor grew to its widest gap since the 1920s.

    He’d be the Democrat standard bearer today.

    Yet between him, Lindbergh, and Prescott Bush, they planned to overthrow FDR. Hmmm.

  174. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    Ah, but I didn’t attack her because she was a woman or a minority. I never even mentioned it — you did.

    Yes it was a joke, obviously it hit too close to home and your now trying to weasle your way out of it by claiming you don’t care what her gender is or what race she is.
    Wheather it was a joke or not the underlying meaning of my post is true, you were wrong, I poked fun at you because as a liberal you should be carrying the PC torch, & EO standard, not calling someone an airhead. So much for that Nunace thing you liberals are soporud of touting..you need to go back to PC school one oh one.

    I’m muddying the waters? You need to lay off the Oxycotin dude, you’re stoned out of your gourd.

    Don Imus
    Ann Coulter
    Rush
    Mike Adams
    Bill Cosby
    Ronald Regan
    Michelle Malkin
    Codi Rice
    Clarence Thomas
    GW Bush
    Donald Rumsfeld
    Dick Cheny
    Don Imus
    etc etc etc etc

    What do these people have in common? They have all been attacked by the left for not being PC.
    “Uncle Tom”, “Aunt Jemmima”, “Nazi”, “Airhead”…

    Let ONE of those people voice an opinion as a conservative and other then the PC Gurus wish and the libtard community is howling in outrage..DONT DENY BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT’S TRUE.

    As an extension you called a woman and a minority an “airhead” but somehow in your mind it’s just peachy because you didn’t specifically state that she was a woman or a minority..moral relevancy mean anything to you ? … that is the text book diffinition of double standards. If a conservative member of this board did that you’d be howling like a rabid monkey.

    By your logic Don Imus should be fully reinstated, Because after all, “Nappy Headed Ho” is a phrase. Nothing more nothing less, so therefore the man is not guilty of racism or sexism is he?

    You’re doing the bait and switch, blaming me for inserting race and gender in all the while claiming you dont care what gender or race she is.

    Bullshit, “Airhead” is a derogatory term for a woman..you know it, I know it, so cut the inncocent bullshit Dave it’s about as transparent as it gets.

    Fellow LC’s? You make the call…I tell you someone is an airhead what gender is that most commonly directed at and what is the context that term is usually used in?

    Hold on to your ass Deej your about to get it handed to you.

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    Yes it was a joke, obviously it hit too close to home and your now trying to weasle your way out of it by claiming you don’t care what her gender is or what race she is.

    Oy vey, are you confused.

    I poked fun at you because as a liberal you should be carrying the PC torch, & EO standard, not calling someone an airhead.

    No, you attempted to use race and gender to shut me down because I dared to call her an airhead, and you attempted to so by use of projection. Then when I called you on it, you tried to turn it around on me.

    Just because I am a Liberal on a lot of things doesn’t disqualify me from calling someone an airhead — or worse. Actually calling her an airhead was being nice. I have a few other choice words I could have used to describe her, but I am trying to cut back from using them.

    What do these people have in common? They have all been attacked by the left for not being PC.
    “Uncle Tom”, “Aunt Jemmima”, “Nazi”, “Airhead”…

    And that has what to do with me? You have never heard me use racist terms such as Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemima to describe anyone. Now “Nazi” and “Airhead” are not racist terms, no matter how much you try to connect them to this.

    I have never heard of Mike Adams, but I am not likely to call him a racial name or attack his gender. I will probably disagree with his politics, and but will probably not call him an airhead either. I usually save that term for actual airheads.

    Bill Cosby? You’re kidding, right? I like Bill Cosby. In fact, I agreed with much of what he says. I think he is a little out of touch with the youth of today, but so are most people of 70.

    As far as the rest of the people on that list, should I create a list of Liberals you can’t resist calling names? I will bet that list is a lot longer and the names more vicious than anything you accuse the Left of doing. Again, there is that projection.

    Besides, I don’t usually spend time calling people names — unless they continually call me names and then I will finally give up trying to be nice to those particular people because they don’t deserve respect.

    Let ONE of those people voice an opinion as a conservative and other then the PC Gurus wish and the libtard community is howling in outrage..DONT DENY BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT’S TRUE.

    Oh, the outrage!

    Let’s see what the Saintly Right does here on this site:

    BC is good entertainment and good turn of the word. But look what he was able to accomplish in one small paragraph:

    In a move that shocked, SHOCKED, we tell you, the Imperial Dungeon Game Room™ staff, the brain-dead, dictator-loving idiots omniscient & omnipotent Nobel committee members gave this year’s LefTardian Socialist Succubi Sycophant “Peace Prize” to none other than the Master of Mastication™ & Academy Award® winner , Michael Moore-on. No, wait. That’s not right. They gave it to Rosie O’Donnell.

    Misha, never to be outdone, does his number:

    Much to absolutely nobody’s surprise, the EUroweenie “Leftist Nutjob of the Year” Award went to the Gorebecile for his outstanding work in creating a work of fiction based on nothing resembling facts, advancing global transnational socialist government and promoting a new religion.

    There is the heavy use of DemCong, Dhimmi, Kossacks, Marxist, Nutroots, St. Sheehan of the Ditch, schmucks, twats, Hildebeest, Dem Cong scumbuckets, allies in Anbar, Drooling Ungulates™ on just the front page alone. I only did a quick scan, but you get the point. Before you point out what the left does, try to make sure that the Right isn’t doing the same thing if not worse.

    As an extension you called a woman and a minority an “airhead” but somehow in your mind it’s just peachy because you didn’t specifically state that she was a woman or a minority..moral relevancy mean anything to you ?

    You think you are reading my mind? You must be dillusional. I didn’t reference her race or gender because it wasn’t germaine to the comment. What part of that don’t you understand? She is an airhead because she is an airhead, not because she is a woman and not because she is a minority. I am beginning to think that maybe you are an airhead too, and I am fairly certain it has nothing to do with you being a woman or a minority.

    … that is the text book diffinition of double standards.

    And what text book is that? The text book that says people on the right can label liberals as “godless”, “traitors”, unpatriotic, and any other dehumanizing thing they want to, but apparently scream bloody murder and accuse someone of being a racist if they dare to call Michelle Malkin an airhead?

    If a conservative member of this board did that you’d be howling like a rabid monkey.

    I would be? How many times is Hillary — a woman, mind you– is called Hilldebeast on this site? Do I even mention it? Do I even mention the numerous times other people’s names have been butchered and disparaged? (I am here, but I am making a point)

    I may be taking a lot of pain medication, but I am able to keep a clear head most of the time. I am wondering what your excuse is here.

    By your logic Don Imus should be fully reinstated, Because after all, “Nappy Headed Ho” is a phrase. Nothing more nothing less, so therefore the man is not guilty of racism or sexism is he?

    No, I don’t think he should be fully reinstated just because. He is coming back on the radio, and he will have to earn back his position. But yes, Imus is guilty of using racist and sexist remarks not once, but numerous times. Maybe he learned his lesson — we shall see.

    You’re doing the bait and switch, blaming me for inserting race and gender in all the while claiming you dont care what gender or race she is.

    But you are the one who brought it up. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if you hadn’t brought it up the first time. You used some twisted “logic” to say that I said she was an airhead and therefore making an issue of her race and gender. I never mentioned race and gender — you did.

    Bullshit, “Airhead” is a derogatory term for a woman..you know it, I know it, so cut the inncocent bullshit Dave it’s about as transparent as it gets.

    Maybe it is for you, but it certainly isn’t for most people. An airhead is just that — someone with air in lieu of brains. The fact that you only associate it with females is another sign that maybe you have some prejudices.

    Hold on to your ass Deej your about to get it handed to you.

    Oy vey.

    I’m thinking that most people just don’t care any more. I know that I don’t.

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    You think you are reading my mind? You must be dillusional. I didn’t reference her race or gender because it wasn’t germaine to the comment. What part of that don’t you understand? She is an airhead because she is an airhead, not because she is a woman and not because she is a minority. I am beginning to think that maybe you are an airhead too, and I am fairly certain it has nothing to do with you being a woman or a minority.

    Reading your mind? Not with out a toxic waste suit on, I shudder to think what I would find.

    I understand perfectly. White man speak with forked tounge. There simple eh?

    Airhead? You think I’m an airhead? :em99: BWHAHHAHHAHHAHAHA, YOU CRACK ME UP DEEJ, YOU REALLY DO!! :em99: You’re getting your ass handed to you here and you can’t even see it, and you call me an airhead? Bwahahhaha!!!!

    But you are the one who brought it up. We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if you hadn’t brought it up the first time. You used some twisted “logic” to say that I said she was an airhead and therefore making an issue of her race and gender. I never mentioned race and gender — you did.

    God Damn, I’m aruging with a tree stump again….Did you OR did you not call the woman an airhead? Yes or No?

    Yes you did, end of discussion.

    I brought it up to call into question the blatant double standard your words brought to light you’re a self avowed liberal, your words not mine.

    What are you??? “Liberal Light”?
    You as a liberal shouldn’t be calling ANYONE an airhead since your all so sensitve and all that, that it was a woman an a minority only made the irony all the better…

    So let me get this straight, when it fits your agenda as long as you dont specifically mention race or gender, you have free reign to call Ms. Malkin, someone/anyone an airhead? Got it. *whew* man, chasing these ever moving goal posts sure is hard work!

    NEXT! Comparing your words to Misha, and BC is a non starter, they make NO bones about where they are coming from, you on the other hand claim to be the resident liberal, PC, and “champion of the downtroden” on these boards. Put up or shut up, your going to talk the talk then walk the walk hombre.

    NEXT! Obvioulsy you do care or you’d just stop responding, and your refusal to admit that you, calling someone a deragaroty name like “Airhead” is directly opposed to what any true liberal is supposed to be about.

    Nuance, and gentleness, isn’t that what you people are supposed to be about? The true compassionate ones, the enlightend sensitive types that off set all us knuckle dragging conservatives that are killing the world and all the little brown people in it??

    I’m confused? Yeaaaaaaa riiiight.