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NEW YORK (Reuters) - A U.S. soldier who said his Christian beliefs compelled him to love his enemies, not kill them, has been granted conscientious objector status and honorably discharged, a civil liberties group said on Tuesday.

Capt. Peter Brown — who served in Iraq for more than a year and was a graduate of the elite U.S. military academy West Point — said in a statement issued by the New York Civil Liberties Union that he was relieved the Army had recognized his beliefs made it impossible for him to serve.

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Brown said he had no conflict between his faith and military service until after he graduated from West Point in 2004 and began to study scripture and his belief.

Keep studying, my friend, and one day you might even understand it.

36 Responses to “Keep Studying, Padawan”
  1. LC HOGHEAD II Comment by LC HOGHEAD II

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    This clown had no right or reason to attend West point, a MILITARY academy, if he truly has these “beliefs”. He should be made to reimburse the taxpayers 4 years tuition

  2. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    For anyone who doesn’t know of the USA’s most decorated conscientious objector, check this out:

    http://acacia.pair.com/Acacia.Vignettes/The.Diary.of.Alvin.York.html

    And/or watch the Gary Cooper movie, “Sgt. York”–it’s superb and more accurate, true, and genuine than MSM news. Don’t know about this guy, but if his genuine religious beliefs prevent him from functioning as a soldier, he needed to go, so he can start paying back the cost of that West Point education.

  3. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    Ah, the “Social Gospel” movement rears its ugly head yet again. :em41:

    I submit for our ‘learned’ friend: Matthew 10:34, as well as pretty much all of the 6th, 7th, and 8th chapters - especially Jesus’s ministry to the Roman centurion….

  4. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    If Person A is trying to murder Person B, is my refusal to aid Person A an act of love?

  5. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    WTF!?! What exactly did this idiot think going to a Military learning establishment was going to bring him, a degree in preparing falafel!?! Mind you, it is a good way to obtain a free, top-notch education, get said degree, and then pull the “religious beliefs” out of one’s arse in order to get out of serving! I am an atheist, but even I do NOT think this would be a good “christian” thing to do.

    Brown said he had no conflict between his faith and military service until after he graduated from West Point

    How convenient, you hypocritical asshole…

  6. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik

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    It appears to me that the Brown Peter has committed fraud in voluntarily seeking out and taking an education and commission he had no attempt to fill. The only thing that human buttplug has learned is that war is a sometimes risky pastime.

    Yes Hoghead, make him reimburse for the tuition, and then impose the standard penallties for fraud. Or better yet, impose the traditional penalty for desertion and mutiny in time of war, as customised for so-called Believers, that is, a reading of Verse 7.62.

  7. Unregistered Comment by Draven32

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    Well, three years isn’t nearly long enough to pay off a west point education. I say they bill him for $50k/yr of back tuition for two years- since six years is how long they have to serve once graduated- and no transcript for him until he’s paid it off.

  8. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

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    Brown said he had no conflict between his faith and military service until after he graduated from West Point in 2004 and began to study scripture and his belief.

    :em01: :em99:

    How very convenient. And the military believed that :em72: and gave him an honorable discharge? Why wasn’t he retrained as a medic? He could have repaid his tuition in that way, and served a useful purpose.

  9. Naviguesser Comment by Naviguesser

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    Yep. I was about to bring up his six years of obligated service. What a cop-out!

    It reminds me of a USAF officer whose medical education was bankrolled by the Air Force some years back. After graduating, he decided (conveniently) to come out of the closet. The DoD took him to court and he was forced to pay back his scholarship and tuition aid.

    They need to screen for this more carefully. Some assholes want a top-flight education but they don’t have the requisite commitment to those who provide them with it. Maybe the upperclassmen at Hudson High should have beaten him more.

  10. Naviguesser Comment by Naviguesser

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  11. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    Why not become a chaplain? he won’t have to kill, and he is saving souls.

  12. Muzzy Comment by Muzzy

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    To be fair to the guy, the article does say that he didn’t start taking all this dippy-hippy peace, love and fellowship crap seriously until after he graduated West Point. Also, it is rather hard to reconcile sentiments as diverse as “Love thine enemy” and “Cave thine enemy’s fucking head in with thy trusty M-4 Carbine”. If you were him, and you believed one of these directives came straight from the creator of the universe who was going to toast your ass for all of eternity if you didn’t play along, what would you do?

  13. feminizedwesternmale Comment by feminizedwesternmale

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    “He should be made to reimburse the taxpayers 4 years tuition.”

    It’s easy to tell that he is indeed a phony, as a real upstanding Christian would’ve tried to quietly do just what you suggest.

  14. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    Brown is forgetting a few other Biblical Words of Wisdom. ‘Let your Yes Be Yes and Your No be No.’ and ‘Render unto Caesar what is due unto Caesar.’ Brown made an oath, an affirmative promise to fulfill a duty and obligation to serve America after getting a top drawer and expensive education. He took that oath before God and Uncle Sam. So, if anything, Brown has denied his country and God all in one breath, saying he need not serve in Iraq because of religious convictions…. He covered up his cowardice with certain religious phrasiology, but his argument is dubious. Many other Christians have fought and died for their country, as soldiers, that’s right, soldiers for their country and loved ones. Does their killing the enemy make them less holy? Are they lesser Christians?

    What’s worse, sitting on your duff as a good holy roller and letting your neighbors, also God’s children, be murdered on masse because you’re too scared to venture outside what you think The Good Book says? Or do you risk it, and protect good from far worse evil like say Sergeant Alvin York did in WWI? How about, General Shoomaker, the Delta Force commander who said the War on Terror is a Holy War, declared by the unholy Islamists, and to be won by Christians, Jews, right thinking Muslims, and others? Is that General less of a Christian to Mr. Brown? Probably so, since Brown is using the Bible as an excuse to chicken out and leave others in the line of fire.

    Thanks alot Brown. Thank you for making Christians look more weak and hypocritical. I bet you think God’s proud, don’t you? Remember this about the dead you did not help or care to, ‘The Earth will not cover their blood…’- a little Old Testament for you, possibly Talmud.

    And I think it’s dubious when the ACLU, Anti Christ Legion Unified defends his right to chicken out. ACLU never joins up with Christians for anything, unless they are say the Westboro Baptist pukes or that moron Barry Lynn and his remove all vestiges of God from public type lukewarm believers…..Brown is not all he says he is.

    And if Mr. Conscientous Objector had thought about it, he could have been a chaplain, medic, pilot, etc. for humanitarian flights or medivac or a field hospital. Nope, he didn’t want to get near that and feel guilty, I guess. What a prize he is.

  15. BobF Comment by BobF

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    Revelation 19:11-16… And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

    That doesn’t sound like a love your enemy Jesus. When Jesus returns, he’s not coming back as a baby in a manger, he’s coming back as a Warrior leading an Army and is literally going to stomp heads as the blood will be to the horses bridle; why his vesture has blood on it. I wonder what the Captain made of these verses and the many others that tell of the Second Coming?

  16. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I wonder what the Captain made of these verses and the many others that tell of the Second Coming?

    He probably started frantically searching the KJV for an exemption form while trying to control his bladder function :lol:

  17. Hardclimber54 Comment by Hardclimber54

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    Folks, what saddens me to no end is the fact that this guy was a captain! An officer in charge of troops for crying outloud! It is probably MUCH better for all concerned that he decided to leave after all. Strikes me (an old captain, hence why this is so insulting) that he was a wuss and a pissypants to start with.

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    Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right.

  19. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    Well, he COULD go out in a car ahead of convoys to make sure there are no IED’s, he won’t have to waste one bullet on ‘not loving’ his enemy.
    Amazing how the bible can be used as a place to hide instead of a guide when it comes time to man up.

  20. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    If his sense of right and wrong is so damn important…money talks, bullshit walks. A faith of convenience. I haven’t seen that yet. Aside from that, the easiest way to determine his true motives is to assign him to a non-combatant role….. If my guess is correct he will scream like a stuck pig.

  21. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    This is exactly what I have always been worried about when it comes to relying Christianity as a counterforce to Islam. Christ says, in so many words, resist not evil (Matthew 5:39). And this is exactly what we do not want in this conflict.

    Didn’t Christ also advise one of his disciples to “sell his cloak and buy a sword” to protect himself and others? I also recall something about a whip forcefully applied to some moneychangers in a temple, too.

    And if Mr. Conscientous Objector had thought about it, he could have been a chaplain, medic, pilot, etc. for humanitarian flights or medivac or a field hospital. Nope, he didn’t want to get near that and feel guilty, I guess. What a prize he is.

    I was raised Seventh-Day Adventist. One of the Adventist church’s heroes was and is a man named Desmond Doss, who served as an Army medic during World War Two. Doss too was a conscientious objector, but still was willing to serve his country when it called. (”Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s,” and so forth.)

    So Doss reported to duty - stating right up front that he did not want to take a human life - and sought training as a combat medic. During the battle for Okinawa, Private Desmond Doss would win the Congressional Medal of Honor for heroism under fire. He repeatedly risked his life to rescue and treat wounded GIs in the midst of battle, and kept at it even after stopping several Japanese bullets himself.

    The whole time Doss was under fire, he himself was unarmed. Doss refused to carry so much as a .45, trusting his life to God instead. And by the time they finally carried a critically-wounded Doss back to an aid station, Doss had saved the lives of something like thirty wounded GIs.

    Unarmed by his own choice, and under intense Japanese fire the whole time.

    Doss would live, and, as I previously mentioned, he got the Medal of Honor for his exploits.

    Private Doss stands in stark contrast to Captain Brown, doesn’t he?

    (Adventist or not, when I enlisted in the Army, I decided not to claim conscientious objector status. I figured that if I had to fight and kill for my country, then so be it: as long as the cause was just, I felt God would understand.)

  22. p51driver Comment by p51driver

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    Has he ever heard of “eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” or “stain thou sword with thy blood of mine enemies”? Or beat their f-ing heads in with thy jaw bone of an ass, or a entrenching tool,which ever is handy!

  23. p51driver Comment by p51driver

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    Here is a prayer I almost forgot, ” Yea tho I fly thru the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil, ’cause a slick F4 is one fast son of a bitch!” :em96: :em71:

  24. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    LC WES

    Luke 22:36

    But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

    not a direct quote I think thats close.

  25. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    Thanks, Ohio. It’s been quite a while since I last went to church, alas.

    Time to pull that particular book off the shelf and take another look at it, I’m thinking…

  26. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Time to pull that particular book off the shelf and take another look at it, I’m thinking…

    I keep one by my bed, next to my Big Book. My reading material when I seek a respite from life’s more onerous moments. Regarding this topic…I keep in mind Michael was a warrior, not a diplomat.

  27. BobF Comment by BobF

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    Reading the whole story, what bothers me is he got the ACLU involved. Why would someone who claims to be a Christian and wants exception from military service based on that belief call upon an godless organization like the ACLU for help? One of the main purposes of the ACLU is to fight Christianity.

    Emperor,
    The exemption form: Deuteronomy 20:8 … And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren’s heart faint as well as his heart.

  28. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    The question’s already been asked here, and it’s a good one. Since former Capt. Brown actively sought out and ultimately became the beneficiary of a fully taxpayer-funded education at one of the nations most prestigious universities, why then, when he realized that he couldn’t actually fight in defense of his country, didn’t he seek a non-combatant role instead of reneging on his six year active duty commitment?

    According to this Selective Service System fact sheet, it’s an available option:

    SERVICE AS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR

    Two types of service are available to conscientious objectors, and the type assigned is determined by the individual’s specific beliefs. The person who is opposed to any form of military service will be assigned to Alternative Service - described below. The person whose beliefs allow him to serve in the military but in a noncombatant capacity will serve in the Armed Forces but will not be assigned training or duties that include using weapons.

    Did his religious conviction prevent him from even wearing a uniform?

    As kind of an aside, this guy graduated in 2004 and just three years later he’s an O-3 captain. That strikes me as pretty quick rank, or is that not so unusual?

    If anybody’s interested, here’s the NYCLU press release on this.

  29. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Listen, I don’t know if he’s a cynical coward son of a bitch, I kind of don’t think so since he DID put in a year in country, so I’m leaning towards him just being a young Padawan inexperienced in his newfound faith and drawing all the wrong conclusions.

    Here’s a scenario. I don’t know if it’s true, but it’s plausible. This kid, obviously talented in some way since he got admitted to the Point, wants to serve his country. He goes through the education bit, then goes to Iraq and experiences all of the “joys” of soldiering first hand as opposed to what’s in the textbooks. Confused and horrified because, no matter how justified, war is ugly, he turns to something, in this case faith, to find meaning in it all.

    And like anybody else just starting out on his personal walk with G-d (and moreso in his case because he is desperate to find an answer), he skims through the headlines and interprets them incorrectly. Faith isn’t something you buy at Barnes & Nobles, it’s something that evolves over your entire lifetime, and what you THINK is true at the beginning is likely stuff that you’ll laugh at in a few years’ time. So he gets the idea that all killing is bad and prohibited by G-d. So what? He’s far from the first one to suffer under that misinterpretation, but it’s real to him.

    Conflicted and confused, but true to his new way, he decides that it means that he can’t serve. At least he has principles, even if they’re based on garbage processing of insufficient data.

    Bottom line is (unless it can be proven conclusively that he was just a yellow-belly trying to get out of the service with his papers in order, which is also a possibility) that he owes the taxpayers what his education cost. Pro-rated, of course, for the time that he DID put in. If he is what he claims that he is, then I’m glad that he found his faith and I know that, as his studies progress, that he’ll find that he was wrong in this. But it’s also absolutely true that he signed a piece of paper, promising to do A in return for the B that he received, and if he doesn’t uphold his end of the deal, then he’s in debt and he needs to clear that.

    The one thing that really grates me and that others have already pointed out is that, if he really is an honest conscientious objector, then why the Hell didn’t he just request transfer to a non-combatant role? That way he could be true to what he alleges is his new-found faith and STILL be true to his word.

    That’s the one thing that makes me wonder if he isn’t just a run-of-the-mill pogue malingerer.

  30. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    This is exactly what I have always been worried about when it comes to relying Christianity as a counterforce to Islam. Christ says, in so many words, resist not evil (Matthew 5:39). And this is exactly what we do not want in this conflict.

    Always look at the surrounding text. Turn to Verses 38-42:

    “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

    The examples Jesus gives are relatively minor offenses. “Let people kill you and your friends” is not the message in this passage.

  31. Unregistered Comment by leoni2, LC

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    I have to agree with Misha. But I have to also agree that if his newly found convictions are so true, why didn’t he just ask for CO status? Anyway, he should give back the money he’d received for his education at West Point, because, unless proven otherwise, I think we might have a case for fraud here, since he was educated there and have now refused to keep up with his part of the bargain for the education that he have received.

  32. Unregistered Comment by humblepie

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    I recently watched Ken Burns “War”. One factoid that stuck with me was this. While app. sixteen million men served in the armed forces in WWII, only about fourteen percent of them saw combat. That left over 80% in support roles.

    There are many jobs in the military, as others here have noted. This guy could become a meteorologist, for crying out loud. And hey, there’s always a potential career in T.V.

  33. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

    Strict Standards: call_user_func_array() expects parameter 1 to be a valid callback, non-static method emotions::filter_text() should not be called statically in /home/misha/public_html/2007/wp-includes/plugin.php on line 59

    I wonder how the Good Samaritan parable would have gone if the Samaritan has shown up at the time of the assault, and had a couple of muscular friends with him…