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Few things amuse us more than to pick up the mindless mewlings of a self-righteous, grandstanding arsehole and mock them until they quit twitching and, thanks to the Imperial Blogsis, we’ve found just such a thing:

The Student Pledge Against Gun Violence is simple. It reads:

“I will never bring a gun to school.

“I will never use a gun to settle a personal problem or dispute.

“I will use my influence with my friends to keep them from using guns to settle disputes.

“My individual choices and actions, when multiplied by those of young people throughout the country, will make a difference. Together, by honoring this pledge, we can reverse the violence and grow up in safety.”

The results of this pledge speak for themselves: This has created a landslide of historical proportions, guaranteeing safety from harm for all. Just ask 32 students at Virginia Tech. Oh wait, that’s right. You can’t. But it sure sounds good, doesn’t it?

In 1996, the United States Senate passed a resolution [pdf document] proclaiming the first Day of National Concern, followed by a Presidential Proclamation by President Bill Clinton.

And what can possibly stand in the way of a Presidential Proclamation [could we have a fanfare here, please? — Ed.] and a Day of National Concern™ (complete with dramatically furrowed brows, we’re sure)?

Funny, though, because all of our research shows that every single school massacre committed by deranged goblins has happened after, not prior to this dramatic move against violence, not to mention the famed push to declare all schools Gun Free Open Season for Psychopaths Zones.

Since then, more than ten million young people have signed on to this pledge.

And not a damn thing has changed as a result, as is always the case with liberal, do-gooder, feel-good instead of doing something responses to anything.

Ryan Vigil decided to convince as many of his classmates as he could at Highlands High School in Albuquerque, New Mexico to sign it, too.

And then, last Thursday, he was gunned down.

…as a result of his strange idea that it would be funny to drive around the neighborhood, throwing golf balls at random people. Jesus wept. We’re really, really trying to give a damn here, but somehow the Give a Damn Process™ just fails to initialize. Ever been hit by a golf ball? That fucking hurts. Those things are hard, and anybody disputing the fact are more than welcome to show up at the Imperial Palace, where we’ll be more than happy to pelt you with them for hours on end, free of charge.

Ryan - a third-baseman for his school’s baseball team - participated in an ill-advised schoolboy prank with some of his friends as they drove around town and tossed golf balls at people. The kids reportedly tossed some at an alleged methamphetamine user, who later found the boys and allegedly shot Ryan in the head.

Action, meet consequence. Consequence, meet action. Nice to meet ya.

“[Ryan] always had a smile on his face,” Highlands High School baseball coach Anthony Lovato said.

Even when he was using strangers’ noggins for target practice? What a champ!

He had an extremely hard work ethic - [he was] a great kid to be around.”

Unless he was bored and happened to be in possession of a handful of Callaways™, of course.

Today is the National Day of Concern for 2007, a day when we can all rededicate ourselves to preventing even one more senseless gun death.

It is? Thanks for reminding us. We’ll promptly do our bit by finding a few moronic goblins and shooting them in the face. See y’all later.

We can remember Ryan, and remember the pledge that he and many of his classmates believed in and signed.

Would throwing a few hard objects in the face of the author of this tripe count for Extra Credit?

And we can also simply consider the words of Ryan’s High School Principal, Nikki Dennis, who said, “If you write any headline, he’s an example of the random violence facing our nation.

Nothing random about it, if you ask us, unless you’re referring to his victims. Asshole kid commits aggravated assault against innocent passers-by, victims throw him out of the gene pool in self-defense. Adult swim only, now go to Moron’s Paradise, will you?

“Write that he was a good kid, a really good kid.”

I’ll make a note of that and immediately teach my kids to throw hard objects in the face of strangers to prove how good they are.

Preferably liberal gun-fearing wussy assholes.

They’re less likely to be armed, after all.

66 Responses to “Oh Boo-Fucking Hoo!”
  1. neonleon Comment by neonleon

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    My 14-year-old son has been taught handgun safety by a retired police instructor, he has safely fired my Glock 17 and my Ruger .357 hundreds of times. In this day and age, I’d rather have HIM watching my back than ANY of the pus-heads who “take the pledge.”

  2. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Demonstrating the problem with unilateral disarmament, while continuing to act like an idiot.

    Thus Endeth The Lesson.

  3. L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    First we have:

    Pledge Against Gun Violence

    Then, the author resurrects none other than Bill Clinton to make this non-sense sound reasonable:

    Day of National Concern, followed by a Presidential Proclamation by President Bill Clinton

    The only problem with this is Bill Clinton lied under OATH! Do you really believe a mere pledge would mean any-fricking-thing to this morons?

    Since then, more than ten million young people have signed on to this pledge.

    Incredible. Watch these democrats tell these students, in a couple of years when they want a hunting license, that they signed a pledge and they can’t have one. Bambi has feelings, too, ya know.

    Bah. Democrats.

    “If you write any headline, he’s an example of the random violence facing our nation.

    The only thing random here is the two neutrons slamming together in this writer’s brain.

  4. Son Of The Godfather Comment by Son Of The Godfather

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    Golf balls from a moving vehicle can be frekin’ lethal…

    Think I’ll start the Rottweiler Pledge Against Golfball Violence…

    “I will not be an asshat and launch what, in essence, is a bullet (but a bit larger) at unsuspecting pedestrians.”

    “I will not be surprised if someone I recently beaned with said golfball comes looking for payback. I will not blame the person who tracks me down for being a wee bit upset with me for behaving like a total douchebag.”

    “I will use my influence to stay within the line while coloring with crayons.”

    “My individual choices and actions, when multiplied by those of young people throughout the country, will make a difference. Together, by honoring this pledge, we can reverse the violence and LET OTHERS grow up in safety.”

  5. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    WAAAAYYYYY OT, but isn’t PC out in the San Diego area? I saw she posted…once…in the last day or so. Anyone know if they had to evacuate?

  6. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Cops: 4 Students Shot at Middle School Football Game

    Guess this kid didn’t take the pledge.

    SAGINAW, Mich. — Four students attending a middle school football game were shot Wednesday afternoon, but none of the injuries were believed to be life-threatening, police say.

    The shootings took place at South Middle School, said a Saginaw police officer who declined to give his name.

    The victims, believed to be middle school students, were taken to a hospital for treatment, the officer said. He said one had a grazing neck wound and the others had leg wounds.

    Police arrested a suspect, believed to be a high school student, and were seeking at least one other suspect, the officer said.

  7. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    THIS guy apparently didn’t read the pledge, either, but then he’s not a student. 8-)

    A television reporter investigating a story on school violence was arrested after carrying a loaded gun onto school property, authorities said.

    Jeffrey Weinsier of WPLG-TV, an ABC network, was taken into custody Tuesday at Miami Central High School after ignoring several warnings not to walk on school property, Miami-Dade schools police said.

    “Kindly go across the street now,” an officer is shown telling Weinsier during the videotaped encounter.

    “I’m not,” Weinsier replied. The officer then handcuffed him.

    Weinsier, 40, was charged with possession of a firearm on school grounds, trespassing on school property with a weapon and resisting officers without violence.

    The photographer working with Weinsier, Frank Debesa, said afterward: “Jeff did have a gun on him.”

    Weinsier began carrying a gun after he received death threats stemming from a series he did about unsanitary conditions at restaurants, according to the station.

    “At this point, Channel 10 is still reviewing the circumstances surrounding today’s arrest,” said Dave Boylan, the station’s vice president and general manager.

    Weinsier has a concealed weapons permit, but state law prohibits anyone from being armed at schools, police Detective Ed Torrens said.

    Weinsier was released from jail on $11,000 bond.

    “I’ve been advised not to say anything,” he told Channel 10 afterward. “The videotape speaks for itself. … I was not trespassing.”

    A telephone message left on his work voice mail by The Associated Press was not immediately returned.

  8. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Last Saturday I spent some time with a bunch of kids with guns. They got to bag some farm-raised pheasant and I got to tramp around in the woods taking pictures. Not a bad way to spend the day.
    I’d rather spend a week with any one of these kids than five minutes with an asshat like that Ryan.
    STEVE MOYER/DAILY MAIL
    Zeb Jordan, an outdoor skills specialist with the Missouri Department of Conservation, explains how to spot the male pheasant from the female. “The male is not as drab as the female,” Jordan said. “The plumage is more colorful, there is a red patch around the eyes and a white ring around the neck.” Jordan was instructing a group of young hunters learning the ropes of hunting pheasant and quail Saturday at the home of Lee Wilson.
    “ If you aim for the body of the bird you may miss it,” Jordan said. “ Look for that white ring and aim for it and that will help you hit more often.”
    The group, Cherokee Plains chapter of Quails Forever, was meeting at the home of Lee Wilson north of Nevada for a quail and pheasant hunting clinic. Participants from all over the area including Fort Scott, Joplin, Lamar and Milo participated in the event. Activities included a demonstration of a Labrador retriever flushing pheasant and a pointer working a bird.
    “ When flushing birds a dog is never out of range of the hunter,” Jordan said. “ The reason for flushing a bird is that a pheasant would rather run than fly. A pointer gets further out and will stop and point when it locates a bird, it stays put until released.”
    In addition to Jordan sev­eral adults with the clinic. Scott Sudkamp, president of the chapter; Pam Hayes, youth chairman; Elsa Gallagher, Quails Forever organizer; Chris Daniel, Derek Farwell and Mackenzie O’Neill all helped make Saturday’s event successful.
    According to Hayes, Gallagher helps educate land owners about improv­ing quail habitat. Quail pop­ulations are down in the state and that contributes to fewer hunters participating.
    “ She helps make people aware of what they can do to make their land better habi­tat for quail,” Hayes said.
    Jordan said that declining numbers of bird hunters have the Conservation Department concerned and they introduced the youth hunting programs to help counter the trend.
    “ Today’s focus is youth bird hunting, bird hunters in the state have declined,” Jordan said. “ We’re not los­ing as many hunters as some states, and we want to keep it that way.”
    One way the department is working to turn the trend around is to have youth hunting seasons and hunting clinics that go beyond the hunter safety education all new hunters must go through.
    “ We try to do this once or twice a year,” Jordan said. “ We also have youth duck clinics and youth dove clin­ics. Missouri does have a specific youth deer and turkey season and an upland bird season. This is the first year for a youth quail and pheasant season.”
    Another way the depart­ment is working to increase hunting in the state is to expand its efforts to those who may not have a tradi­tion of hunting in the family. “ Our hope is to get kids that don’t get a chance to do this,” Jordan said. “ If they live in a hunting family, they’ll probably do it any­way, but if they don’t they might not get a chance so this helps introduce kids into the sport who might not participate otherwise.”

  9. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    This idiot needed shooting. Pretty simple, huh. And what needs to happen after the next “gun-free-zone” hunting trip, is that the kids need to be briefed “You know, if someone had been armed, this would have been over much more quickly”. Shame the libtards cause so much misery in the name of trying to do good. They are purely non-pragmatic about life. Hey, this shit happens. Be nice if it didn’t, but it does. The only way to minimize it is to be ready for it. :em41: Fucking duh.

  10. Robohobo Comment by Robohobo

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    ‘Burque is home. I was talking to the wife before heading out for work this week about this kid. I said pretty much what Misha did. What is not said is that they were throwing golf balls at an apartment building where the guy who killed Vigil lived. The guy who shot Vigil had an infant daughter. It may be that they came too close. I am not sorry that this little idiot is dead.

    The HS kids in ‘Burque are hyper-aggressive across the board. I live right across the street from one of the supposed best ones in town. I have nothing but trouble with the spoiled little idiots. They are so stupid that they try and give me grief not knowing I carry. May be time for the gene pool to get a good deep cleaning. Our kids are for the most part worthless, spoiled little turds. Yeah, mine included. My daughter moved out of my house without so much as a f-ck you right before she graduated from said HS. Haven’t talked to her since. Good riddance.

  11. Yochanon Comment by Yochanon

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    The little turd deserved what he got.

    I’m with our Sire…my give-a-shit-o-meter reading for this kid: crickets chirping

  12. Bill H, Resident Car Guy Comment by Bill H, Resident Car Guy

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    WAAAAYYYYY OT, but isn’t PC out in the San Diego area? I saw she posted…once…in the last day or so. Anyone know if they had to evacuate?

    I think she’s somewhere in LA, SkyeChild. We’re doin’ OK down here. There’s only been one fatality directly attributable to the fires (The Witch Creek one, IIRC)and a handful of injuries. It also looks like there is-so far- fewer property losses than the Cedar fire a few years ago. On top of all that, no SuperDome disaster, no rampant looting, no mass desertions by our police and fire personnel. Sanders has done every bit as good a job as Giuliani did during 9/11. Yeah- were actually doing alright here.

  13. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    “I will never bring a gun [or golf balls]to school….”

    I will limit my in-school violence to fists, clubs & knives. :em93:

  14. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    “I will never bring a gun to school.

    Signed Cho, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold..none of which has any fucking relevance to the fact that said mummy’s darling wasn’t IN school when he was removed from the gene pool.

    Ryan - a third-baseman for his school’s baseball team - participated in an ill-advised schoolboy prank with some of his friends as they drove around town and tossed golf balls at people.

    Ill advised?? :em08:

    Any kid did that to me and I’ll demonstrate how a golf ball can be converted into a male Ben-Wa…and I won’t use lubricant either.

    Oh, btw, we now have a cute little issue here in Australia,..kids throwing rocks at passing cars, or dropping them on cars as they pass under bridges.

    Liberal parenting and namby pamby feel good “nanny” skills and their expected results.

    I have one question: did or did not the parents of this little sweetheart know what he was doing?

    And if not, why not? Please God..tell me he was an only child.

    Almost forgot..if the guy was a felon and a meth addict, then he probably shot the kid with an illegal weapon, in which case gun laws have jack shit to do with any of this.

    We have gun laws galore, and gun crime is on the increase.

  15. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    What good is a pledge, if you don’t follow it? It’s just empty talk.

  16. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    What good is a pledge, if you don’t follow it? It’s just empty talk.

    That’s one of the cornerstones of lefty ideology. Keeping up appearances outweighs actual substance.

  17. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    Folks

    Here’s an idea, why not tell the kids who signed said pledge to make a copy, fold it nice and square and carry it in their pockets as a shield against high velocity projectiles…

    How many more graves will it take for the lefties to FINALLY realize their dream world is just that, a dream!? :em98: Here’s an ironic example of people who have suffered directly from idiotic assumption that signing a piece of paper suddently will make everything alright, and still refuse to face reality.
    What a betrayal of their own children!!!

    Sad the young man had to learn the hard way, but maybe, just maybe, some of these kids will finally clue in that they are being led to the slaughter by bleedinghearts libbies who just want them turned into compliant slaves.

  18. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    1. Mindless “feel good” drivel like this piece of paper “pledge” (kinda right up there with an “Order of Protection”)do nothing and solve nothing.

    2. As mentioned above by LC Brendon, the asshat who shot the kid was:
    A)a felon
    B)was in illegal possession of a firearm
    C)had not signed the aforementioned “pledge” (the only item of “real importance”, if we would try to follow the “logic” provided by this article and said school.)
    D)probably didn’t give a rats ass one way or the other about A, B, or C above.

    3. Tossing golf balls at people or windows while in a moving vehicle (or even while standing still) is NOT going to win you friends. However, it may quite possibly influence those who end up inner-acting with your golf balls, to take steps to prevent one from repeating this same “ill advised prank”.

    So taking a look at the 3 items above what do we have.
    A kid who (like most at that age) thinks they are invulnerable, now has a piece of paper which adds to this sense of invulberablity. (Yes, school system I am pointing a finger at you, for filling the heads of kids with even more mush. And yes parents of said kids, way to go in allowing the schools to become this way… and for instilling in your kids such a strong sense of what is right and wrong.)

    A goblin who cares not for the rule of law (or pie in the sky pieces of paper). And takes a dim view of hard objects being thrown at him or his family. So instead of kicking the kids ass and either letting him go or turning him over to his parents, shoots the kid. (We should expect more outta our dope riddled part of society you media types????)
    And a collision of these two which ends up in a kid being killed.

    Folks, did the kid do something wrong? Yes!!!
    Did the goblin do something wrong? Yes!!!
    Back in the day, had we done something like this we would have gotten our asses whooped, at the very least, or a load of buckshot/salt would have been winging it’s way towards us or the vehicle we were in. And we would have gotten or asses handed to us again by our parents (if the cops had caught us first or the person taking exception to our balls invading his personal space brought us home) but I don’t think being shot or shooting someone for this level of stupidity is quite the right response to the severity of the initial act.

  19. LC Shamalama Comment by LC Shamalama

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    Remember that the author of the HuffPo article is Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Doesn’t that say something about the “logic” and “tone” of the article?

  20. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    but I don’t think being shot or shooting someone for this level of stupidity is quite the right response to the severity of the initial act.

    And I agree, GuyS. At least I like to think that I wouldn’t hunt down and shoot a moron throwing golf balls in my face. In a perfect world, at least.

    I have to add, though, that one has to put oneself in the shooter’s position here, which is hard considering that we only have a very limited amount of information available to us, but allow me to speculate:

    We have learned (thanks, Robohobo!) that the shooter had an infant daughter at the location where Vigil and his buddies were performing their “ill-advised prank” (talk about understatement of the year).

    OK, Speculation Mode On™: I’m outside watching my Heirs play, when suddenly a car containing a bunch of fuckwits appears and one of said fuckwits proceeds to throw very hard and potentially lethal objects at us (yes, golf balls are potentially lethal. Try being hit by one in the temporal region of your skull. Hard). I don’t know what they’re up to, I don’t know if they’ll be back, I don’t know if they’ll “luck out” and hit one of the kids (or myself, for that matter) the next time. All I DO know is that they outnumber me and that they seemingly have absolutely no concerns about causing serious injury to innocent strangers.

    What do I do? Do I vacate my own front yard and go hide in the house while hoping that the police will take care of matters for me before the situation escalates any further? Fat chance of that happening.

    Do I confront the assailants with my bare hands, not knowing how many there are, how strong they are, what their armaments are and what kind of training they have? Again: They’ve already demonstrated that they care not one whit about hurting people seriously. Wouldn’t I be exposing myself to even worse danger that way?

    Discuss.

    Does it seem excessive to hunt the idiots down and shoot one of them? Absolutely. If he’d done so while he was on his own property during one of their drive-bys? Not so much. That would be self-defense.

    But bottom line to me is: If you behave like a violent asshole, don’t come fucking crying to me when Mr. Unintended Consequences rises up to bite you in the arse.

  21. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    Misha I

    they seemingly have absolutely no concerns about causing serious injury to innocent strangers.

    I’m with you here Sire. Here’s a perfect example on how our liberal society has turned kids into little monsters who just couldn’t care less as to what pain or suffering they are causing others, hey, that’s what they’ve been told at home, at school, on the streets, whatever you want to do, it’s OK, never mind the consequences to OTHERS, while the same liberals assholes completely failed to instill even an inkling of respect for said others. Those kids really thought everything was permitted them, and never were told the actual possible consequences of such stupid, “ill-advised” action to THEMSELVES!

    Go ahead you socialists, liberal bleedinghearts, start digging more graves, the killings are of your OWN MAKING, and as long as you refuse to face the reality of this world, get ready to dig and dig.
    It is your OWN CHILDREN you’ll be burying assholes, think HARD AND LONG about this…

  22. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    So far, lots of good observations. The only positive part of this is that the idiots will be weeded out that much more easily. I say again, it would be nice if this shit didn’t happen, but it does. So prepare.

  23. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Bill H, Resident Car Guy

    I’m sorry. I should have asked about your welfare, as well, but I don’t know who all lives in the state. Let’s just call it a blanket concern for everyone in the area. 8-)
    I’m glad to hear that you are yours are doing all right. That was a horrendous fire(s). Already Bush and global wormening are getting the blame. Didn’t take long.

  24. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    I grew up in Albuquerque (…well, I got a little older while I lived there… :em93: ).

    Nice to see that nothing has changed.

    This punk deserved to be beaten to within an inch of his life and then given a nice stretch in jail. Having his life ended isn’t to be celebrated.

    The frustrating (although common) element of this story, is how any possible reason to attack the 2nd Amendment will be wrung out of a bleeding heart.

    “He was against guns, and a gun took his life. He’s a martyr.”

    No Virginia, he’s (was) a punk. I’m (selfishly) pissed off that punk-boy has drawn more heat to my right to keep and bear arms by getting his punk-ass offed by harrassing some one with no sense of proportion

  25. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    The headline should be:
    “Punk-ass Darwins out”

  26. BobF Comment by BobF

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    When I was a high school senior (1973)I brought my shotgun into shop class to work on the stock. The vice principal came in and asked me what the Hell I was doing. When I told him, he said “next time let me know first”. He then gave me some tips on bluing the barrel. It wasn’t uncommon to have students and teachers pull into the parking lot, during school hours, and show off the deer they bagged and the gun they used. This all took place in the Peoples Socialistic Republic of New York. Now days, you even draw a picture of a gun and you get suspended.

    When my son’s were young I taught them how to handle my handguns. They were both shooting a 45ACP by time they were 8 years old. I told them if they ever told anyone we had firearms or showed their friends where I kept the firearms, they would never seem them again. Also told them if they followed the rules, when they were old enough I would give them one of my handguns; their choice. I just handed my baby, my Colt Combat Commander, over to my son.

  27. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

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    “Write that he was a good kid, a really good kid.”

    :em01:

    And what, pray tell me, would Idiot-Principal Nikki call a really BAD kid? “Ill-advised schoolboy prank” indeed! :em96:

    A golf ball slung at high speed is a lethal weapon. It’s meant to injure. I can’t feel sorry for the little SOB. My mother got hit in the chin one time with one [by a wayward golfer and not deliberate] and she needed stitches to close the wound.

    As long as these Good Li’l Citizens are so enthusiastic about taking a pledge, how ’bout reinstituting the Pledge of Allegiance in the schools?

  28. Unregistered Comment by Revvy

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    I have yet to find out whether or not my school allows guns (it’s a NY State school, so my chances are not good).
    However, I have no qualms about letting other students know that I do carry a pocket-knife, both for its utility and in case something unfortunate should befall me. Basically - I carry a knife because I don’t have the permits for something more effective.

  29. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    I 100% agree with Guy’s comment.

  30. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    “Write that he was a good kid, a really good kid.”

    Gratefully not as “good” as Charles Whitman
    Another “good kid”.)

    Hit my moniker to see what the NRA is sayin,,
    (hope my little flag next to it goes back to the right colors,, :em69:

  31. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Throwing golf balls at anyone is a good way to get yourself f’d up, but throwing golf balls at a meth head is, well, just what lil Ryan found out, suicide. Tweakers have no sense of humor, depressed moral sense, a vastly inflated sense of power and ego, not to mention being very easily agitated and prone to extreme overreaction. If they’re involved in manufacture, dealing or just heavy users (which thankfully doesn’t last long, ’cause crank’s like a rocket sled to hell), they live in a dangerous, paranoid world where everyone is armed and ready to kill at the drop of a dime(bag). Let’s all pledge to avoid methamphetamine, keep golf balls on the golf course, and always carry a gun quietly, carefully, and for lawful purposes. That’s a pledge that’d mean something.

  32. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    But I’m sure the “pledge” sounded more sincere and elequent in the original fwench.

    I didn’t need more proof that the asshats are winning. I miss the good ol days when we let them hurt themselves in various ways and clorox the gene pool themselves.

  33. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    The last 4th of July, my parents, my kids, and I were enjoying an evening shooting off fireworks, when we’d noticed a truck kind of driving by slowly, apparently “casing the joint”. Sure enough, on the third trip past, one of the dciksmacks in the truck thought it might be funny to shoot a Roman candle at my Mom.

    It’s lucky for these motherfcukers that I’m not a meth freak; all I did was chase them down the road with a metal baseball bat which I’d placed in a handy spot a few minutes earlier.

    Ryan - a third-baseman for his school’s baseball team - participated in an ill-advised schoolboy prank with some of his friends as they drove around town and tossed golf balls at people.

    Somehow I think “toss(ing) golf balls” understates the case. I’ll bet a year’s pay that the kid was trying to wing people with them as hard as he could, and, as others have stated, a head shot from a thrown golf ball is potentially lethal. Present that threat to a paranoid-delusional tweaker, and, well, you get what happened here… “which is how he wants it.”

    “I don’t like it… any more than you men.”

    What we had here was failure to communicate - from parent to child, I’ll bet. Not excusing what happened, but, karma can be a real bitch.

  34. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    Let’s all pledge to avoid methamphetamine, keep golf balls on the golf course, and always carry a gun quietly, carefully, and for lawful purposes. That’s a pledge that’d mean something.

    Amen! Well said!

    BTW, I’d like to know what it is about some assholes (this kid being one) that they just can’t leave people alone. My husband goes out for a walk every evening. He’s just minding his own business, getting some exercise after a day at a desk. He’s had people yell at him, throw things at him, make obscene gestures … and for what? I used to run regularly, and I experienced much of the same treatment. Once I even had someone swerve as if to hit me. I guess they thought it would be funny to see me jump. The situation that pissed me off the most, though, was when our middle son was four years old and was out trick-or-treating. My husband had to bring him home to clean him up because someone had driven by and thrown a milkshake at him. I sometimes think about carrying a gun, or at least a pocket full of rocks. Some of these people really do go too far with their “pranks”.

  35. dragineez Comment by dragineez

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    I can’t find a link to any story that corroborates that the shooter was a meth user, or that insinuates he was on meth at the time of the shooting, or that he wasn’t actually defending himself at the time of the shooting. I do find it suspicious that the other kids in the car drove for a mile or so after he was shot. Frightened? Probably. But of getting shot? Or getting their stories straight?

    I understand the comments about going and “beating the crap out of those punks”. But I’d like to point out that this was a car full of late-teen age boys, athletes in the prime of health. Reality says that for an average sized middle-aged desk jockey like me, the only way I could confront them would be with “a mechanical advantage.”

    BTW: Go to the Huffington article on this. Lots of posts that agree, the kid was wrong.

  36. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    kwongdzu

    My comments at #21 might explain some of the problems.
    These kids (and teenagers) simply are NOT taught anything about respect. They do whatever they want at home, where their parents let them run the coop, and this translate into actions on the streets. They just don’t CARE!!! That is until someone puts the boots to them, then watch them go screaming to Mom and Dad about the bad person who dared touch them, and watch how quickly the same shiteating parents are at your doorstep with an officer in tow. Never mind what their “little angel” did, he/she can do whatever he/she wants at home and you HAVE TO let them do whatever they want TO YOU without saying a word, and the kids know it. Explains a lot, doesn’t it!?!?
    I once watched parents being horrified at the judge passing sentence on their son because he had beaten a young girl to a pulp. They were horrified not because of their son’s action, but because the judge DARED condemn their little darling. How’s that for disgusting! I raised my children the best I could, and once was told “you are too strict with your kids” by some neighbour who had raised a “holy terror” of a kid, to which I answered “maybe, but I’ll never be as severe as a judge…”. She didn’t get it… Oh, and it was her son that the judge sentenced above…

  37. dragineez Comment by dragineez

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    I can’t find a link to any story that corroborates that the shooter was a meth user, or that insinuates he was on meth at the time of the shooting, or that he wasn’t actually defending himself at the time of the shooting. I do find it suspicious that the other kids in the car drove for a mile or so after he was shot. Frightened? Probably. But of getting shot? Or getting their stories straight?
    The story at http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/oct/22/officers-search-vigil-murder-suspect/ does point out that they didn’t just throw golf balls at him. They hit him.

    I understand the comments about going and “beating the crap out of those punks”. But I’d like to point out that this was a car full of late-teen age boys, athletes in the prime of health. Reality says that for an average sized middle-aged desk jockey like me, the only way I could confront them would be with “a mechanical advantage.”

    BTW: Go to the Huffington article on this. Lots of posts that agree, the kid was wrong.

  38. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

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    Hardclimber -

    It’s good to read that the judge did not cave in to the parents and sentenced the little freak. I hope he was sent to prison where he’d know what it was like to be on the business end of vicious criminals.

    Kwongdzu -

    Good heavens! Where do you live? Here in Manhattan it isn’t as bad as you describe. I don’t recall being threatened or harassed while out walking. But, I have to remember that walking is a way of life in the city. Maybe that’s the difference.

  39. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    I would have responded sooner, but my work hours are 180 degrees out…when yall are sleeping I am working…and no, not as a vampire *grin*.

    Again, though I think shooting is a bit extreme, when you end up attacking (and that was what they were doing with the golf balls) what amounts to a feral beast (meth man) it would not be illogical to get the response they received. It doesn’t make it the “right response” but it is an unfortunate (but perfect)example of “Mr Cause meeting Mr Effect”.

    I wasn’t in any way shape or form trying to stand up for the “kid”. At that age (13-20 or so)stupid reigns supreme. To the same end, had he hit and killed meth mans baby, I would be the first to say the kid needs to be charged with manslaughter (at the very least) Actions DO have consequences. And going full circle, as this kid found out too late, some of the consequences (though perhaps too sever) can be deadly.

    And as far as some saying these older teen agers are bigger stronger more athletic ….so a gun may be what is needed to keep em in line. That dog don’t hunt. I have had at one time or another 5 pass through my house, all who have grown bigger then their dad/step-dad. Age, attitude, and experience will usually trump youth every time. (Though if we are talking “Gangs”…that is a whole ‘nother smoke…or those goblins of any size/age directly attacking you or your family/home…..then all bets are off. I will be locking and loading right beside you.)

    Just read the link to the story.
    A)The media is f-ed up.
    B)Meth man went to shoot the kids long after the golf balls were tossed …He is gonna fry.
    C)I might even buy that this was a good kid, but the bottom line is he did something stupid which he ended up paying far too high a price for. (Cause/Effect) He may have been a good kid, but a saint he ain’t.
    Based on what was presented in the story that the shooting was done not at the time of the attack…IT WAS THE WRONG THING TO DO.
    And it reminds me of something that happened to me at the ripe age of 16/17. It was winter, there was a slushy mix of snow on the ground. A group of us were at the local 7-11. One of our group thought it would be “funny” to toss a slush ball at a passing Jeep/Blazer (not sure which). Said driver took exception to having snow tossed at his car. Stopped turned around and pulled into the parking lot. Him and his buddy (larger then we were) got out and the fun begian. The store manager came out with his night stick and 300 lbs of attitude and broke things up…we went QUICKLY home. Mr Jeep sped away into the night. Turns out he was well known by the local law enforcement types. And we were very lucky not to have caught him in a bad mood. Bottom line, snowball tossing boy was WRONG. Mr Jeep was concerned that there might have been a rock in the snowball which could have damaged the window. And if nothing else the unexpected snowball WAS a distraction to his driving.
    We were lucky he didn’t decide to shoot. (though this was over 30 years ago…things were a bit different then) We were lucky the store manager was able to bring things too a quick end. (”Tiny” was cool)

    None of the kids involved were what you would consider to be thugs or punks. Stupid …YES. In need of being shot…NO Being whooped on … SURE.

  40. Bill H, Resident Car Guy Comment by Bill H, Resident Car Guy

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    I’m sorry. I should have asked about your welfare, as well, but I don’t know who all lives in the state. Let’s just call it a blanket concern for everyone in the area. I’m glad to hear that you are yours are doing all right. That was a horrendous fire(s). Already Bush and global wormening are getting the blame. Didn’t take long.

    Ain’t no sweat, SkyeChild. I’ll see your blanket concern, and raise you a heartfelt thank you from all of us. Personally, I was affected minimally- the casino I work at was shuttered for a few days because of mandatory evacs in the area where it’s located. We did have a small scare Tuesday morning, thinking we might have to bug out because of fire on Mt Miguel in Spring Valley- about 3 miles from me as the crow flies. The fire took pretty much all of the mountain, including several tv and radio repeater towers with it, but the fire crews were able to stop it there.

    Bush and global wormening, eh? As far as I’m concerned, fuck the left. I don’t need their concern, help, pity, race baiting or any other bullshit they can conjure up.

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    “Write that he was a good stupid punk kid, a really good stupid punk kid.”

    Fixed it for them.

  42. Mad Insomniac Comment by Mad Insomniac

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    dragineez

    I checked the ABQ Tribune link. This, for some reason, stuck out:

    Vigil (the kid who got shot), however, was an advocate for nonviolence. He was an athlete and member of a group that opposed gun violence.

    Guns, no. Hitting people with potentially lethal hand-thrown missiles, yes. Talk about situational ethics.

    Again, just a hunch coming from a parent of teenagers here, but, methinks that the words “You’re so fucking grounded”, uttered by Mom or Dad at some point in his recent past, might have saved this kid’s life.

  43. LC Draco Comment by LC Draco

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    Action…meet reaction. Lots of good comments here.

    It’s nice the Monday morning quarterbacks are making the kid look like a near-Saint.

    Ryan - a third-baseman for his school’s baseball team - participated in an ill-advised schoolboy prank with some of his friends as they drove around town and tossed golf balls at people.

    I am sure he ‘tossed’ those golf balls underhand, cause you know it’s not that far from 3rd to 1st Base.
    :em41:

  44. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Exactly, Guy.

    (in the interest of not hogging bandwith, I will refrain from blockquoting your ENTIRE post. ;))

  45. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Speaking of California fires.

    I heard of a report on the radio this morning concerning some asshat who was caught setting fires in CA.

    According to what I was told of the report, (I didn’t hear it), this particular waste of protoplasm made a run for it, and was shot and killed by police.

    Anyone else heard this?

  46. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    found a mention…

    police reported shooting and killing another arson suspect after chasing him out of scrub behind Cal State San Bernardino.

    Law enforcement officials said they did not know whether either of the men started any of the more than a dozen large fires that have devastated Southern California in recent days, including the nearby Lake Arrowhead blazes. The Hesperia fire was quickly extinguished by passersby.

    In addition to the Santiago fire, a blaze in Temecula is suspected of being deliberately set. The causes of other fires remain under investigation, although at least three are believed to have been started when high winds knocked down power lines.

    The confrontation that ended in the shooting death started about 6 p.m. Tuesday when university police spotted a man in a rural area of flood channels and scrub near the campus.

    Officers tried to detain the man, but he got into his car and fled, ultimately driving up a dirt road into the foothills, authorities said.

    “We don’t know whether he was an arsonist,” said Lt. Scott Patterson of the San Bernardino Police Department, which joined the pursuit. “What was related by the Cal State police was that they tried to contact him as a suspicious person in a brush area. Things being how they are, there was a suspicion that he could be an arsonist.”

    The man, described only as a 27-year-old from Topock, Ariz, twice crashed his car and then tried to ram police vehicles, according to authorities. Both times, police responded by firing their weapons; the second time, the shots proved fatal.

    Any bets he was an Earth Firster? And if he was, the MSM will somehow completely forget to mention that little fact?

  47. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    The man, described only as a 27-year-old from Topock, Ariz, twice crashed his car and then tried to ram police vehicles, according to authorities. Both times, police responded by firing their weapons; the second time, the shots proved fatal.

    Get ready for the lawsuit. Some court out here about a year ago ruled that someone driving a car at police isn’t an assault and does not warrant lethal force. :em98:

  48. LC & IB GuyS Comment by LC & IB GuyS

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    Lady Heather
    Didn’t mean to be so long winded (and thanks to the Emperor for letting me vent). And thanks for seeing my point.

  49. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Taking the pledge, eh? Sure worked well during prohibition…..I tend to have a somewhat jaundiced view of that position due to my past. I WILL use a gun to solve a problem, if the problem is my family being assaulted, raped or robbed. I lng ago lost the belief that human life is to be preserved at all costs….I save my reverence for the human spirit and soul. Of course these liberal fools want you to choose to be a victim. The Muslims aren’t the only ones looking for martyrs.

  50. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    You’re welcome, Guy.

    It wasn’t like this kid was Dylan Klebold.

  51. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    I lng ago lost the belief that human life is to be preserved at all costs….I save my reverence for the human spirit and soul.

    Rather, human LIBERTY is to be preserved at all costs.

  52. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

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    I wonder if the meth dude had a license for that gun or if he even legally obtained it, ya know, with all those extra gun control laws?

  53. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Now Hsu is asking a judge to toss his 15-year-old felony fraud conviction, arguing his right to a speedy trial was violated because authorities weren’t actively pursuing him.

    (smacks forehead)

  54. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Students Wear Empty Holsters to Protest Gun Laws

  55. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Staci

    wonder if the meth dude had a license for that gun or if he even legally obtained it,

    I believe there has been some doubt cast on the whole “meth user” thing…

  56. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    But I could be wrong.

  57. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    And the Phelps Phreaks got sued?

  58. Robohobo Comment by Robohobo

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    Seems more has come out of the Albuquerque papers. Lollis is a meth user and has been guilty of child abuse in the past which may or may not stem from his drug use. The local courts have taken to adding child abuse charges on top of the drug ones to druggies caught. It makes it easier to hammer them. Can’t say I blame them.

    I may have been wrong about the child being in the vicinity. But Lollis was hit by the golf balls. Golf balls are HARD and they hurt even when thrown by hand.

    But, like I said before, the APS system is turning out highly agressive punks by the bus load. I see them EVERY day around my home. (When I am home - hence the Hobo part of the nom du plume)

  59. BigDogg Comment by BigDogg

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    This is a little bit off topic, but I thought that most here might get a chuckle from this “fun with guns” video:

    Fun with an AK-47

  60. Unregistered Comment by hawkeye54

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    Steps to be taken to prevent further golf ball violence:

    Highlands High school must immediately distribute “The Student Pledge Against Golf Ball Violence” and have all students sign on to it.

    The school must proclaim itself a golf-ball free zone.

    Golf balls are dangerous in the hands of innocent children! We must keep golf balls out of the hands of our children lest they be tempted to injure themselves or others.

    Golf balls must have warning labels placed on them.

    All golf ball owners must be registered to protect the children.

    Sue the golf ball manufacturers.

    Ryan might be alive today if we could have kept those vile golf balls out of his hands.

  61. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    This Darwin award candidate certainly got his hole in one.

  62. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    I used to have a 90 mph fastball. It could kill someone. If this dickhead was winging golf balls at folks, it is no joke. I’m an old fart now, but drop by and let me bounce ocouple of golf balls off you. It would be about as much fun as getting smacked with a baseball bat.

  63. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    BigDogg
    I can very easily see an AK doing that. Put about 60 rds through one and you can cook an egg on the wood.

    Great video. Thanks for the chuckle.

  64. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    “[Ryan] always had a smile on his face,” Highlands High School baseball coach Anthony Lovato said.
    “Write that he was a good kid, a really good kid.”

    You don’t understand, Emperor. This kid was good.

    Like PJ O’Rourke once said, “If he were a criminal, he’d be poorer and darker skinned.”

    I’m not going so far as to say the kid deserved to be shot, especially well after the fact. But it certainly wasn’t an “act of random violence,” as the reporter suggests in sickeningly manipulative terms. He actually uses the words “ill-advised schoolboy prank” to describe assault escalating to murder, in a real newspaper not owned by William Randolph Hearst. He adds that the boys “tossed golf balls at people,” suggesting a gentle underhand volley of golf balls, startling the victims with rascally randomness. More likely, they were probably beaning people- hard- in the head and center mass with rock-hard, aerodynamic golf balls.

    Punks are the problem, not the solution or even the victims.

    Maybe his coach, the principal, the newspaper reporter, and even- God forbid- his parents, might have been better served paying attention to the things he was doing and the people he was hanging out with rather than his beaming smile.

  65. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    If such a pledge had existed at Hogwarts (wands and the Sword of Gryffindor substituting for guns), and Harry Potter obeyed it, he would have never made it past the second novel.

    “Quick Harry, use your influence to settle this dispute, now!”

    Real-life students don’t have to deal with giant magical snakes, but they do have to deal with bullies who are as unresponsive to reason as Harry’s basilisk is.

  66. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Having read a bit of the underlying press on this, I’d like to retract any characterization of the shooter in the story as a “tweaker” or “meth-head” or other related pejorative. That seems to have been pure spin to deflect blame from the instigator of the confrontation, RIP. I’ll reiterate that ridin’ the crystal rail’s a rocket-sled to hell, ifn one doesn’t get off pretty damn quick and leave it at that. That said, if a bunch of dumb-f jocks came ’round hummin’ golf balls at me, mellow, easy-going, mild mannered law abider that I am, I’d be pretty tempted to draw down on ‘em myself. So same deal, except maybe the shooter wasn’t such a bad guy after all, maybe he was a good boy, too. More’s the tragedy of those damn, evil golf balls in the hands of the cheeeldren. Wonder how the Bradys will lock up the Teitlists and Maxflies (oh, those Teitlist blacks, assault weapons of the links–Praise God for that sweet click off persimmon!).