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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Highest desertion rates Evah!
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Yeah, and I have some lovely beach front property in Siberia for sale too. So we are winning the war, our troops are successful on the battlefield, and the Democratic Congress has approval ratings lower than Rosie O’Donuts at a VFW. What ever is a defeatist journalist to do?

Simple. Cook the desertion rate to show how demoralized and beat down our troops are.

It’s a shame the actual numbers show the MSM to be the lying surrendercrats they are.

H/T LC Rurik for the link.

22 Responses to “Highest desertion rates Evah!”
  1. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    You can almost smell the desperation of the MSM still trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

  2. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Thanks for the linkage and edification. I saw them hawking the this, but it didn’t caused the Bull Shit meter to immediately swing to red-line.

  3. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    As far as I’m concerned it’s separating the wheat from the chaff. Those pussies that turn and run after joining the MILITARY and then finding out they have to actually…*gasp* FIGHT..(oh the HORRORS)..well they shouldn’t be allowed to even put on the uniform. Stick em in a tutu and be done with it. :em72:

  4. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    Off topic, but go to http://www.godandcountry.tv for a pro troops documentary. I might get it, and save the money that would have been wated on redacted, lions for lambs, rendition…

  5. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    Oh, and on topic, for once could they just please show our guys doing good? :em41:

  6. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Mrs. SGT. JMFL, Military Wife And Damned Proud Of It, P.O.S. ex-husband is one of those run-away pussies. He deserted right after Advanced Training. I was driving home from work one day when I heard his name go over the scanner. When it came back with a warrant and the cop said he was transporting, I had to pull over ’cause I was whoopin’ and hollerin’ so much.

    Then, his scumbag, bottom feeding lawyer father made his bail and he beat feet outta town for parts unknown. I can’t wait for the day he gets picked up again, ’cause they won’t give him bail again, it’ll be “Don’t Pass Go, Don’t collect $200. Go Directly To Ft. Leavenworth and start makin’ little ones outta big ones.”

    And I’m gonna send that motherfucker a post card every month with one word on it…

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. LittleRott84 Comment by LittleRott84

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    Personally, since this is a time of WAR, they should be punished in accordance with the UCMJ. The punishment for this act of cowardice is death. These sacks of :em72: shouldn’t even be wasting precious oxygen.

  8. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Simple. Cook the desertion rate to show how demoralized and beat down our troops are.

    I heard “cooking” and went to see where the kitchen was.

    All I see here is the ARMY providing the following information:

    According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year. [emphasis mine]

    I am kinda confused here. Is it AP doing the cooking or the Army?

    ‘Cause, goll-dern it, I am hungry.

    Last year there were 3300 desertions and this year 4700. Mathmatically, that works out to 42 percent. Was there something wrong in the calculation of the AP story?

    Is the Army wrong?

    The AP interviewed the director of plans and resources for the Army. He gave what he thought was the reason for the high desertion rate:

    “They’re humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I’m sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier.”

    Is Roy Wallace of the Army’s Planning and Resources department wrong?

    Despite the continued increase in Army desertions, however, an Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures earlier this year showed that the military does little to find those who bolt, and rarely prosecutes the ones they find. Some are allowed to simply return to their units, while most are given less-than-honorable discharges.

    Hardly the deterent for running off.

    I just don’t see the “cooking” here. Nine out of 1000 isn’t all that much. 42 percent increase would really mean something if last years number had been twenty out of 1000, which would have brought this year’s rate to twenty-eight out of a thousand. Then you’d be talking about some real numbers.

  9. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    IF they take the wusses back, they need to be kept good and busy breaking rocks for awhile!

  10. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    OK, Deej, “cooking” the books isn’t the best phraseology. Selectively interpreting would be better. I was in a rush when I posted it.

    If you look at the desertion rates compared to pre-war (up to 2002), they are lower today. The overall desertion rate is also lower than WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam (And surprise, surprise, Viet Nam’s was lower than WWII).

    The point is that the way the MSM are treating these numbers, the headlines in 80,000 point bold type saying “Desertion Rate up 80%” and so forth, is BS. An objective look at the numbers shows the opposite of what the media want you to believe.

    There’s also the question of what the media is defining as desertion. Desertion has a specific definition in the UCMJ, as opposed to AWOL or UA.

    A deserter is a member of the armed forces who remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away permanently or goes away from his unit with the intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service. e.g. during times of war. Article 85 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

    He gave what he thought was the reason for the high desertion rate:

    The numbers show that the desertion rate isn’t really all that high Deej. It’s actually lower than peace time.

    “They’re humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I’m sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier.”

    That applies to peace time just as much as war time.

  11. L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by L.C. Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    I’m no mathematical wiz, or anything, but when I read that story this is what got my attention:

    According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier.

    In an equation those numbers could be represented as

    0.009 and 0.007 respectively. While it could be said that is a 42% rise, these statistics are skewed when the author proceeds with:

    Army desertion rates have fluctuated since the Vietnam War - when they peaked at 5 percent. In the 1970s they hovered between 1 and 3 percent, which is up to three out of every 100 soldiers. Those rates plunged in the 1980s and early 1990s to between 2 and 3 out of every 1,000 soldiers.

    Five percent would be represented as 0.05

    One percent would be represented as 0.01

    Three percent percent would be represented as 0.03

    It doesn’t take a genius to figure out 0.009 is lower than 0.01

    As Mark Twain once said: “There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.”

    Rope. Tree. Journalist. You know the drill.

  12. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    The point is that the way the MSM are treating these numbers, the headlines in 80,000 point bold type saying “Desertion Rate up 80%” and so forth, is BS. An objective look at the numbers shows the opposite of what the media want you to believe.

    You’re right, the headline shows a mathmatical error. The rate went up roughly 28 percent from what it was in 2003, not 80 percent.

    Forget the “rate per 1000″ figure, because that is approximate. The Army strength numbers fluctuated slightly between the years. Just go by the actual numbers of desertions.

    According to Rod Powers the desertion rate in FY2003 for just the Army was 3678. In FY2007, the number rose to 4698.

    There were 1020 MORE deserters this year than there was in 2003 — an increase of only 28 percent.

    I see how the mistake was made. 3678 is about 80 percent of 4698. But you can’t call it an 80 percent increase because that would put FY2007 total at 6620.

  13. LC Rurik Comment by LC Rurik

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    Desertion is a curious thing, very situational. Here’s a personal story about how I helped a guy desert. It Must have been April or May 1969, and I was in Engineer advanced training at “Fort Lost In the Woods”. We had a big Puerto Rican guy in my squad named Rosado. One day he came talking to me, all upset about family trouble back home in New York City. I wasn’t sure if it was problems with his wife or a kid, or exactly what, but he needed to get home immediately. I tried suggesting that he talk to cadre and maybe they could arrange some help. But he wouldn’t hear it. Rosado had convinced himself he had to go. Was gonna go. So I slipped him the tenner I had in my wallet and promised I’d try to cover for him as long as possible to give him a head start. As did a couple other guys. About a week and a half later Rosado came back and turned himself in. He didn’t tell us any details, but said he’d worked out the problem, and then come back.
    Technically, he was gone long enough to qualify as “deserter”, but cadre knew he was basically not a bad guy and gave him a break. Company grade punishment, the rest fo his time in training was spent in regular training durign the day, and evenings behind the orderly room “making big ones into little ones”. Those of us who aided and abetted never got caught - or our money back.

  14. Unregistered Comment by Quilly Mammoth

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    Allyn,.
    Here’s some food:
    Army desertions in FY 2001–4,399
    Army desertion for FY2007–4,698

    So exactly what heavy burden were the troops carrying in 2001? BTW: the Fiscal Year ends before the calender year. And the FY 2001 were fairly consistent with most of the 90s. So how come this al-AP headline?

    Army desertion rate up 80 pct. since ‘03

    So what this really means is that desertions during most of Operation Iraqi Freedom _dropped_. The steady rate is around 1%.

  15. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Here’s some food:
    Army desertions in FY 2001–4,399
    Army desertion for FY2007–4,698

    The scope of the article in question was for 2003 to the present. You will notice that the desertion numbers dropped substantially in FY2004 to 2376, slighly over half of what it was in FY2007. Still not a rise of 80 percent.

    The question is, what were the numbers for FY2005? The reason I ask is that there might be a DOWN trend in the desertion rate.

    If the Desertion rate change in 2004 was 51 percent, and the desertion rate change for FY2007 is 42 percent, then I want to know what it was in FY2005 and FY2006.

    So exactly what heavy burden were the troops carrying in 2001? BTW: the Fiscal Year ends before the calender year.

    I dunno, maybe bordom?

    And the FY 2001 were fairly consistent with most of the 90s. So how come this al-AP headline?

    Maybe they flunked math? I propose a “No Journalist Left Behind” initiative. Someone needs to teach basic math again.

    So what this really means is that desertions during most of Operation Iraqi Freedom _dropped_.

    Well, actually it IS showing a rise over since 2003. The numbers of desertions is higher now than it was at the beginning of the war and at any given year during the war.

    The steady rate is around 1%.

    I don’t get you. Perhaps a graphic will help?

    Don't drop the soap

    Oops, wrong graphic.

    Desertions

    I drew the line across to show the current year’s level

  16. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    BAGHDAD, Iraq — A suicide bomber detonated his explosives as American soldiers were handing out toys to children northeast of Baghdad on Sunday, killing at least three children and three of the troopers, U.S. and Iraqi authorities said.

    your Minutemen in action…

  17. Unregistered Comment by roguetek

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    I can tell you right now, the army’s desertion rates are a little….incorrect.

    I’ll give you an answer.

    About 3 weeks after I came home from the sandbox, I got a call from my father in law in maine, informing me that my wife was in labor. I had bee trying to get leave since I had gotten home, but for some reason I was repeatedly denied, for no known reason. I called my Commanding Officer, Told him I was going, told him where I was going, Told him I’d be back in about two weeks, and that he could court-martial my ass when I got back.

    I went, I spent 2 weeks, and I came back and turned myself in.

    they gave me a post-dated leave form, and the whole thing was forgotten.

    However, I was tecnically AWOL for 2 weeks. I’m sure that’s part of the statistics.

    given that the army has, if anything gotten -stupider- about leave, I suspect there may be some correlation.

  18. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    I can tell you right now, the army’s desertion rates are a little….incorrect.

    But they ARE the Army’s numbers, NOT the AP’s numbers.

    If you read the story, it is talking about those people who haven’t come back or were given less than an honorable discharge.

    For the record, I would have gone also.

    Boy or girl?

  19. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    I can’t wait to see what the so-called “Press” is going to dig up next to show how badly the USA is getting beaten…
    What a strange timing for that article..?! I hope that the Iraq war is over and won before the media finds more “figures” to backstab your troops with! Guess their children-murdering buddies are worth more than objective reporting and accurate maths on those desertion figures. That article was obviously deliberately muddled so that the impact of the “80 percent” BS was maximal.

    Bunch of pathetic fuckheads. I’ll bring the rope…

  20. Unregistered Comment by roguetek

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    Girl.

  21. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

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    I used to apprehend AWOLs and deserters as the Fort Hood AWOL Apprehension NCO. I had the highest return rate in CONUS. 30 days gone is the general rule for transition from AWOL to deserter, the admin line when a commander can drop the soldier from his rolls and get a replacement to bring him back up to his TO&E.

    Some leave to fix problems back home. The rest are the problems. The first are usually AWOL until the problem is fixed, then return. Some problems are ongoing and result in defacto desertion, even if the intent was lacking at the outset. Some desrt because they just don’t like Army life, being told that they’re the losers they prove themselves to be by deserting. When I was doing the job, the last group was overwhelmingly single white males. AWOLs and deserters were all overwhelmingly white and male, something like 95%+.

  22. M167A1 Comment by M167A1

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    Better off w/o them..

    Snag em when ya can and ship em to Guam to scrub goony bird shit off the runway