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Another Great Moment in Journaljizzm, as an inanimate object is given free will and the ability to fire itself while the ClueFucked Journalijizzmer sits around scratching his pointed noggin (via IB Classical Values):

Yesterday afternoon, Nahdirah Jaamar dropped by a rowhouse on Salford Street to pick up her younger brother and ran into her 4-year-old cousin, Dyshon Boyd, a boisterous toddler that family members called “Pooh Bear.”

Dyshon gave Jaamar, 15, a big hug and a kiss, and ran off.

Roughly a half-hour later, the 4-year-old lay dying from an apparently self-inflicted bullet wound, another young victim of Philadelphia’s gun epidemic.

“Gun Epidemic?”

Try “Parental Stupidity Epidemic”, and couple it with “Journalistic ClueTardedness Epidemic” while you’re at it.

“Oh NOES! We’ve become infected by feral guns roaming the street, committing random acts of mayhem!”

Last night, one local channel, CBS3, was reporting that the weapon was a 9 mm handgun and that Dyshon’s father, Djuan Boyd, was also in the rowhouse - on Salford Street near Chester Avenue - at the time of the shooting incident.

Jaamar said Djuan Boyd was “a great father” to Dyshon.

Much like any pregnant woman visiting a Planned Parenthood Murder Inc. clinic is a “great mother”, it would appear.

“Everywhere you saw Dyshon, his father wasn’t far behind,” she said.

…except when the 4-year-old was busy playing with loaded firearms, obviously.

“He gave Dyshon the world.”

And a gaping, sucking throat wound too! How I wish that my daddy had been like that! Not.

Jaamar described her little cousin as a playful toddler who loved eating pizza from the nearby deli and watching cartoons on Nickelodeon.

When Jaamar returned to the house after the shooting last night, she screamed and pounded the windows in grief.

Understandable, and we can’t even begin to imagine the horrible grief that the poor woman must be going through now. May G-d grant you strength and comfort.

But it wasn’t the windows that you should’ve been pounding.

Meanwhile, police and fire crews were searching the house and the area outside, even looking on the roof of the rowhouse for the magazine of the weapon that killed Dyshon.

It might have run off, after all. Thankfully, the gun is in custody. Did they remember to read it its Miranda rights before they put it in zip ties and rode it downtown in the back of their Batmobile?

69 Responses to “Gun Goes Crazy and Kills Toddler”
  1. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Yes indeedy. It’s those self animating inanimate tools that do it! I remember the time I had to fight the vicegrips that tried to chew my fingers off! Register your vicegrips! :em98:

  2. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    So … Daddy, the convicted felon, leave a pistol where a toddler can get at it.

    Leftard paper blames the pistol, and demands more gun control, because more laws will prevent felons from doing illegal things.

    And this load of stupidity from a socialist sh*thole is somehow unusual?

  3. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Precisely.

  4. Intellectual Conservative Comment by Intellectual Conservative

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    Have a very merry Sopranos Christmas

    http://www.youtube.com/v/MvWVzjBfrn0&rel=1&border=1

    TOO funny .. :)

  5. Intellectual Conservative Comment by Intellectual Conservative

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    Not sure whats up but some comments are taking a long time to post ..

  6. Unregistered Comment by JonB

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    um… something isn’t right with this story.

    I mean yes, the emperor made wonderful points, but that last part from the news story caught my attention.

    Where the hell was the magazine for the gun, and why were cops looking for it?

    If it was not in the gun, was daddy letting jr. play with the gun thinking it wasn’t loaded because the clip wasn’t in it?
    Is it really *that* hard to make damn sure that the chamber is empty before allowing anyone else to handle the gun?
    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to justify letting a child that young play with a gun.
    I don’t have children, but I’m guessing there is information available as to a proper place and time (i.e. not at home in the apartment) in which to educate a young child about proper respect and use of a gun.
    As was said, the epidemic is stupidity

  7. Unregistered Comment by qsilver

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    Kristopher, just a question, but how did you come up with the fact that he’s a convicted felon? Nothing in the story appears to say that.

    Other than that, you really have to wonder exactly what happened here. The clip is missing? That doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense. Even if the “great father” removed it for “safety” while he let the 4 year old use the gun as a rattle, he would know exactly where he put it.

    I wonder if police will do a ballistics match on this firearm? Check to see if it was used in any crimes? They would if it was MY firearm I’m sure.

  8. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Where the hell was the magazine for the gun, and why were cops looking for it?

    If you go to the website linked at the top you’ll read that

    A.) the “father” (I prefer to just call him the sperm donor) had the pistol in his coat pocket and the boy apparently found it.

    B.) the “father” appears to have thrown the gun Out The Window after the child shot himself.

    24 year old guy…already served at least 4-5 years in jail for gun and drug charges…has an illegal gun in his possession, not secured (just in case one of the local homies decides to pay a visit to rip off his drug stash) and the child (who apparently had no mother around, since she isn’t even mentioned) pulls the gun out of the coat pocket and shoots himself in the throat.

    The ONLY epidemic in Philly is a disastrous lack of common sense, tough jail terms on criminals, and enough moral values for people to understand that it is the mind of the person HOLDING the damn gun that is the danger. :em98:

  9. LC  MuscleDaddy Comment by LC MuscleDaddy

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    Here’s another one for the RCOB:

    “Drunk Babysitting Teens Kill 7-Year Old Girl – Violent Video Games to Blame”

    This one has a picture of the girl - Take a look at her and try to imagine what these walking-cases-for-retroactive-abortion were thinking.

    My brain is already tired from trying.

    …and, of course, it’s all about the video games.

    - MuscleDaddy

  10. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    Okay, while I am in favor of gun laws, it would appear that they would not have helped in this case. My cousin owns guns, I do not know which ones, but he keeps them locked up safe, and would never let his kids improperly handle a weapon. He keeps them safe. This father was an idiot, who probably should not have had a gun in the first place.

  11. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    mindy1

    This father was an idiot, who probably should not have had a gun in the first place.

    Bingo! Give the lady a cigar!

    However, the socialists scary-pants terrified of the big bad guns will, alas, only focus on the guns.

    Did we really expect common sense and reason to enter their feeble little brains..?

  12. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    This father was an idiot, who probably should not have had a gun in the first place.

    This father was a convicted felon who already has a long record of drug and gun crimes on his resume’. There are ALREADY GUN LAWS ON THE BOOKS that state that those convicted of a felony CANNOT LEGALLY OWN GUNS.

    He STILL had a gun in his possession. Did the fact that there was a law in place that stated that it was illegal for him to own a gun stop him from having one??

    HELL NO! This guy did NOT walk into the local gun shop and buy this gun through LEGAL channels.

    He got it from one of his drug gang homies.

    Just how many gun laws do you think it’s going to take before the CRIMINALS stop getting ILLEGAL guns in their hands??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

    NONE…..because they are CRIMINALS….therefore they don’t give a flying fuck at a rolling donut whether they are breaking the law or not concerning guns…..THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMN.

    Just like those dumb ass “I just want to feeeeeeeeeeeeel gooooooooooood” “Gun Free Zone” signs don’t mean a damn thing to a criminal intent on murdering someone. They look at those signs and just laugh their asses off, while the pious liberals stand around patting themselves on the back for having “created” a fool proof safe area that no gun can penetrate. :em98:

  13. baslimthecripple Comment by baslimthecripple

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    “I think she provided a safe home for them,” Erika Hoffman said, “I think she is as good a mother as I’ve ever seen.”

    Sad part is that this is probably true and only reflects what total SHPOS they are. There was a pic month or so ago of some homie dad and presumably his four year old with a semi-auto handgun tucked in the kid’s pants, modelling as a future Blood or Crip.

  14. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    Nicely put, LC Mrs. M-ITT. If “Righteous Rants” were earthquakes, that one would have come in at about an 8.5 on the Richter Scale.

  15. SeniorD Comment by SeniorD

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    I’m willing to bet real money that, ‘Dear Daddy’ even held his illegal handgun sideways like he was taught in the ‘hood.

    I’d love to know the trigger pull strength on that weapon. I don’t know that many 4 year old boys with the strength or hand size to break a semi-automatic double pull trigger let alone hold the bloody thing. Then I’d like to introduce this worthless pile of dog squeeze to some real firearm afficinados from Uncle Sam’s Miguided Children’s School for the Proper Care and Feeding of Really Big Things That Go Boom and let him play ‘Dodge Ball the Incoming’ with them.

    Oh, baslim, good Avatar for Thorby, I think Baslim the Cripple was a bit older.

  16. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    qsilver: Kristopher, just a question, but how did you come up with the fact that he’s a convicted felon? Nothing in the story appears to say that.

    By actually reading ALL of the links Misha posted.

  17. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    mindy1: Okay, while I am in favor of gun laws, it would appear that they would not have helped in this case.

    Under what circumstances would a gun law prevent a criminal from carrying a gun?

    Japan, Britain, and Australia have total bans on civilian pistol ownership … and yet criminals still carry and use pistols in these countries.

    If they ban pistols even harder in these countries, will they magically vanish?

  18. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    SeniorD

    I’d love to know the trigger pull strength on that weapon. I don’t know that many 4 year old boys with the strength or hand size to break a semi-automatic double pull trigger

    it may be a bit rash to assume that the gun was not in condition ‘0′.

  19. SeniorD Comment by SeniorD

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    Hilljohnny,

    Given the sort of crowd ‘Daddy Dearest’ runs ran in, the weapon probably WAS in Condition 0. Even so, how much pressure is needed to break the trigger? The reason he tossed the weapon out the window was probably to keep ‘Mommy Dearest’ from getting her hands on it and helping ‘Daddy’ quickly become room temperature.

  20. Unregistered Comment by Casey

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    Ok, I’ll play clueless non-gun-owner. What’s Condition 0?

    I know from general reading that a Colt M1911A has multiple safeties, but that’s all. I’ve never used one.

  21. Unregistered Comment by Azygos

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    Cooper’s Rules:

    Condition 0: The weapon is loaded, charged, cocked, and no manual safety mechanism is engaged. The weapon is ready to fire, and will do so if the trigger mechanism is actuated.

    Condition 1: The weapon is loaded, charged, and cocked, with a manual safety mechanism engaged. To fire, the safety must be disengaged and the trigger mechanism actuated. This is often referred to as “Cocked and Locked”

    Condition 2: The weapon is loaded, charged, but not cocked. A safety may or may not be engaged. To fire, the weapon must be cocked (either manually or through a double action mechanism), the safety disengaged, and the trigger mechanism actuated.

    Condition 3: The weapon is loaded, but not charged or cocked. To fire, the weapon must be charged (in most handguns and rifles by chambering a round), cocked (this may occur automatically with charging), the safety disengaged, and the trigger mechanism must be actuated.

    Condition 4: The weapon is not loaded, and not charged. To fire, the weapon must be loaded, charged, cocked, the safety must be disengaged, and the trigger mechanism must be actuated.

    http://www.theothersideofkim.com/index.php/gunthing/

  22. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Or, it was a Glock or Sigma, which, when loaded, is always at either condition 0 or 2, depending on how you look at it…

  23. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    ^sigh^ Blasted Spam Filter!

  24. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    Sir Guido the glock has a safety on the trigger and i think a decocking lever so you can rack the slide and have a round chambered. effectively condition 0. if you then use the decocker it goes to condition 2 in theory. actually if there is a round in the chamber when you pull the trigger it fires. difference is a long pull as a double action or a short pull as a single action. i have never handled a glock so my memory of what i’ve read may be faulty. i’m not sure if it has a separate safety from the so-called trigger safety. have not handled a sig either.

  25. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    hulljohnny Yes, you’re memory is faulty. There is no decocker on a Glock. The only external safety is the trigger safety.

    Also, the hammer is actually a plunger type striker. The trigger “cocks” and releases the striker, so it is technically a DAO pistol. So Guido is right on both counts. A Glock with one up the pipe, is in fact in both Condition 0, Condition 1, and Condition 2 simultaneously. Damn Austrian engineers, screwing up the carry codes! :em93:

  26. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    Thanks crunchie there’s so many different systems out now it’s hard to keep track. thats why i prefer revolvers, just point and click. practice and accuracy takes care of any concern over the number of rounds available. though i do love my p-22. inspite of cataracts and astigmatism i can still run a three inch pattern at 20 yards with it.

  27. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    My forty-five is condition three. Just chamber one and go for it. No safety unless I use the decock. Gun laws remain worthless, by and large. Those that need them don’t obey them, the only ones suffering are those such as I. Then feel good liberal judges let these jerks off light unless mandated otherwise. Here in Kalifornia it is illegal for me to have a loaded weapon accessible to a minor without a trigger lock or some such mechanism. Now would anybody be so kind as to enlighten me how a loaded weapon with a triggerlock is of any use? But illegal to be left laying about loaded. In my own home yet. I use a mechanical concealed lockbox. I can get to it in seconds, long before anybody would get though my security doors. However, all this aside, no minors live here. And as for the shotgun, I ain’t talking. I’ll let the twelve gauge double aught speak for me.

  28. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    hilljohnny
    Ah the P-22, a real tack driver to be sure. I still prefer the Ruger MK II for real .22 nail driving though.

  29. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    So I have my 1861 Springfield rifled musket, have bit off the end of the cartridge, poured in the powder, rammed the ball home, put the priming cap on and have released the hammer so it sits on the cap……

    what carry code does THAT fall under? I’m guessin’ Condition 2 :em93: :em96:

    Actually found one of these at a local gun shop, the real thing, on consignment from an estate…not a reproduction and in damned good condition. However, I could buy 3 vintage Les Pauls or one used Harley Davidson for the asking price……

    sure was fun to hold though…..

  30. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    crunchie the ruger is a beautiful gun but it does not fit my hand the way the p-22 does. i have the
    ‘compensated’ model with the 5 inch barrel which i originally bought to teach the kids to shoot. all my guns were to big for their hands. after trying it out i didn’t want to let them have their turns. i had a friend who had what looked like a ‘bull’ barrel. i saw him use it once to shoot a groundhog. to my surprise there was no bang, just a slight pop and the groundhog went down. shot in the head at about 35 yards. when i asked where he had gotten the gun he grinned and recited part of the alphabet.

  31. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    You also got a ten guage shotgun, Jaybear. Friggin’ blunderbus. Just stuff an old boot down it and drop the hammer. Now that would be a real kick in the head. Interesting discussion here. I am quite fond of my Ruger P97. Built like a tank, durable, reliable and more accurate than I am, to say the least. But in time I hope to become a good shot. My gun range master buddy says I’m better than most but I personally see room for a lot of improvement. Now if somebody would only buy me a Dillon for Christmas…….

  32. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Caveman sez:

    Now if somebody would only buy me a Dillon for Christmas…….

    got my eye on a reproduction Navy Colt cap and ball revolver for Christmas….would be a great addition to my slow firing retro gun collection. I’d be useless in an invasion of this country, the fastest firing pieces I have are my old M1 Garand and my Kimber Classic 45.

    Hilljohnny, I hear you about revolvers sir, I have a S & W Model 29 357 Magnum….a real ass kicker to fire.

  33. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I said erroneously:

    I have a S & W Model 29 357 Magnum

    The Model 29 is the .44 magnum….I have the similar style but in a .357 magnum. Must be past my bedtime.

  34. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    I keep my XD .9 in Condition 0…or 1 at the very least. One in the pipe and all you have to do is grab it and pull the trigger. It stays by the bed unless I go out, then it’s in my holster purse. I like the fact that you not only have to have your finger firmly on the trigger….but also a firm grasp on the grip safety before the gun will fire.

  35. SeniorD Comment by SeniorD

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    Had a Glock 17 but didn’t like the round. 9mm is just saying .38 in a different measuring system. Too light to have much effect, even in close quarters.

    My preferred choice is .45 all I need is one shot, the goblin is down and bleeding all over the hardwood floor. I learned to shoot using the tried and true M1945A, I love the three independent safeties and the sound of racking a round is just as pleasing as with a Mosberg Riot Gun. I have my sights set on a Kimber, when I can save enough pennies.

    Y’see, there are only four ways an ‘uninvited guest’ can leave the house: Walking Running for their alleged life, walking under police escort, carried (and still breathing) under police escort or carried and heading towards room temperature (which is twice their collective IQ).

  36. Mjolnir Comment by Mjolnir

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    “If guns kill people, then Pencils cause misspelled words” - Unknown

  37. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    I have my sights set on a Kimber, when I can save enough pennies.

    I got tired of M,The Emperor, JB and Vulcanrider ragging my ass about my “puny” .9mm that I put this baby on layaway. Got it in .45acp. I hope to bring it home before the end of January. :em93:

    The first time I hear M bitch about the higher cost of ammo for the both of us….I’ll have to remind him about how all the guys insisted that size of my bullet was the most important thing. :em01:

  38. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Madam M

    how all the guys insisted that size of my bullet was the most important thing

    I am SO not going there… :em99:

    That having been said, the Witness .45 Carry Comp lives in condition two. One up the pipe, hammer down, safety on. (The nice thing about the Witness, the only CZ-75 derived design where the lockwork allows hammer down/safety on. (Now, if I can just turn up a good low-flash 230gr hollowpoint load, all will be right with the world… (Ah, well, maybe I should try Cor-Bon again…)))

  39. Unregistered Comment by Justice Seeker

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    Having, in the past, only owned a Taurus .38 special, I was concerned about it’s lack of stopping power. However, being mainly into target shooting (Gibraltar Open Champion 1981) I discovered hollow base wad cutters, (HBWC). Not only do these leave a beautiful clean hole in a target, when fired, for instance, at a two by four, four inch face on, there is a neat 0.38 hole in the entry side and a three inch diameter hole on the back! That’s what I call a stopper.

  40. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    everyone argues over whats the best gun or bullet or both. the best combo i know of is whatever the shooter is most accurate with. shot placement beats everything. the most deadly handgun known is the .22 cal usually in the saturdaynight special or zipgun catagory. over half of firearm deaths come from the .22. here are the Evan Marshall charts for real world shootings table 1 and table 2. the FBI hates these charts because they do not agree with the result of ballistics tests and lab studies. the reason i do not like the 9mm is the overpenetration of the most commonly used rounds. like most people, i am too cheap to buy the most effective 9mm ammunition. i do like the old style 125 grain hollowpoint in .357 at 1200 feet per sec. or the 158 gr. hp at 1400 fps. with a torso hit it is vey effective. the 200 gr in .45 is another very good round. these rounds are inexpensive compared to other effective types and do not have the problem of being called “killers” or “manstoppers” by their manufactors. when you look at the charts please remember all of the one shoot kills were head or center of torso hits. placement is king. if your shot goes where you want you can choose to try for a less fatal result but a drt (dead right there) goon cannot sue for pain and suffering.

  41. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    I’m not heading to the police academy until February, so would someone tell me - what “condition” is a cop’s service pistol to be kept in as he’s coming in the door after work? I’ve been shooting 9mm for a long time, upgraded to Beretta (I can’t spell it right despite being fluent in Italian), and when I’m finished, I remove the clip, make sure the chamber is clear, put it on safety, empty my clips, put the pistol in the hard case it came in. I put the pistol and ammo, along with my cleaning kit, in the safe in my basement.
    The gun is not accessible to anyone in a hurry, needless to say. I never have owned a trigger lock, and I gave the one I had to a friend and never got it back. Here in Canadastan, they do random checks to make sure you have your trigger lock on, or you’ll lose your PAL license. (Posession and acquisition license). I don’t see the point in having a trigger guard if it’s in a safe we inherited from my grandfather, and had to be lowered into the house after the foundation was poured.
    If I had an improperly stored pistol and some kid ended up accidentally killing himself with it, I’d do the right thing and put the gun in my own mouth. Common sense is worth more than any license/regulation.

  42. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    A cops service weapon is to be kept ready to go! Damn, son. I don’t know about Kanadia, but my stuff stays C1 at all times. Or C0, for my dao weapons. If it has da, it’s hot, no safety. Or would you call that C2? Or 0.2? And my 1911 is kept C1, ALWAYS! Your clearing procedure is SO far OTT, unreal! But if that’s what makes YOU feel 100% safe at home… Mind you, if you need it in a hurry, you’re screwed. Try removing the mag, clearing the chamber, and secure them close but separated. If you know where your junk is it’s grab turn grab assemble and done, about that fast. If noone else in the house knows where the bits are, you are at the 100% mark. Alternatively, teach them what this device is and DON’T-FREAKING-TOUCH-IT!!!

  43. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    ACLPoo Sorry buddy, but I can not answer about Kanukistan laws, but here in he states it varies from state to state.

    Here in FL the law says it’s illegal to leave a firearm in any place with the easy access of a minor. It’s pretty open to interpretation but sine there’s no enforcement until after the fact it’s pretty much if they (minors) get a hold of it, you were in violation.

    I always tell my students that it is dependent on your own circumstances. I keep mt duty pistol (Beretta 92F) in condition 2 at home, condition 0 on duty. Theres a .357 in the nightstand drawer for bangies use when I’m not at home. All the rest are locked up in a safe. But my circumstances are that my girls (4 YOA) know about guns and know the rules. If a gun owner keeps the guns hidden and never educates the kids in the house, he’s asking for trouble (Guys, how many of you found your dads Playboys when growing up?) It requires a lot of responsibility on your part. If your kids are out of your sight a lot, keep em unloaded and the ammo separate. If they are mature enough and disciplined enough to understand, then you can probably leave it in condition 3, especially if the youngsters aren’t strong enough to work the action.

    P.S. you spelled Beretta right. :em69:

    Hilljohnny You’re 100% correct that shot placement matters most. Any round can be lethal if put in the right spot. I personally carry 148 gr. HydraShoks in my 92F. Over penetration is not a major concern with that round. But if your gonna carry a self defense round, spend the money to get a good round. It’s your life after all, ain’t it worth $25.00? I strongly recommend Extremeshock. Nasty stuff. Wish I could carry it at work.

  44. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    dammit Crunch,

    I wish we weren’t so far apart geographically, I’d take every firearms class that you offer…. I get an education every time you and others talk about those eeeeeeeevil guns here. Even though I’ve been shooting since I was 10 years old, and try to get to the range every couple of months I still have a lot of learning to do and am nowhere near an expert marksman….a better than average shot yeah….but always in need of improvement. That improvement not only means in marksmanship, but keeping up on safety and proper handling as well. I’ve found that the ones who believe they know it all are the ones who shoot themselves in the head looking down the barrel to see if the durned thing is loaded…..

    If you are ever in the Washington state area, let me know….I’ll trade you range fees for a lesson or two

  45. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    Jaybear, I would love to take you to the range but a trip to Washington is no where in my future. If ya like though, fire me an e-mail (addy in side bar if ya don’t have my personal e-mail) and we could talk more about a few finer points of marksmanship and handling. And you never stop learning. I though once I got my instructor certification I would be good to go. All of a sudden like I realized that there is tons of stuff I have to learn everyday just to stay current.

    If ya want some instruction though, the FL Rottfest :em03: is getting close (hint, hint, wink, wink, wink).

  46. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    If ya want some instruction though, the FL Rottfest :em03: is getting close (hint, hint, wink, wink, wink).

    so’s my annual trip to Gettysburg (cancelled 7 times in a row previously), I always wanted to make a Rottfest….figured you guys could use a designated driver at one of those….but just like you, it’s the distance thing man.

    I’ll contact you after Christmas about a couple of pretty specific questions I have, mostly about cleaning and technique (especially with the Garand and offhand with Kimber).

  47. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    Sounds like a plan jaybear. As to the designated driver, can you say B double E double R, U, N. . I knew ya could!

  48. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    A little off topic and I’ll post on this when the Christmas thread comes up, but if any of you in the DC/Maryland/Southern Pennsylvania/WestVirginia/Virginia area want to see something truly magnificent:

    check out the Antietam Battlefield Illumination

    It’s done every Christmas, one candle is lit and placed on the battlefield for every soldier killed and wounded at the battle of Antietam/Sharpsburg. I’ve never done it myself, but I plan on making the trip in the next couple of years.

  49. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    crunchie last time i tried my “quickdraw” i put two in the abdomin and one to the head firing from the hip the three in the heart useing a modified weaver, time under 2.5 seconds, silhouette target at 10 yards, useing my s&w model 13 .357. i figure if nothing else this will slow my target down enough that i can outrun him even if i do use cheap ammo. on the other hand my cousin was shot with a .357 at about 3 feet, 3 in the gut, 2 in the chest and 1 in the face. he staggered a bit then sat down on the ground untill the emt’s laid him on a strecher. he didn’t pass out untill the er doctors put him under. spent three weeks in the hospital, now more or less back to normal. you never can tell.

  50. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    Thats some good placement hilljohnny. Your friends story isn’t all that uncommon. There’s a phenomenon called the “demonstrable bullet”. Most people who have never heard a shot fired in anger expect that a bullet hitting the target will cause a spray of blood, or the target will jerk or fall back or some other Hollyweird crap they’ve seen on the screen and thereby become an expert. In fact, most times you won’t even now if you’ve hit the guy. That’s one of the reasons you hear of dozens of rounds being fired by police officers in shootings. Even when they do hit the guy they don’t realize it and keep shooting.

    A lot of GS victims act the exact way your buddy did. Once they realize they’ve been hit they will usually just sit down or walk away. “Man stopper” is a myth.

    Bullets incapacitate in one of two way, hydraulic failure or neurological failure. The instant stops you will see are almost always neurological failures where the CNS is overloaded with stimuli from a devastating wound and shuts down. Unless it’s a CNS hit, most wounds will not cause instant incapacitation. Multiple hits to the center mass of the target offered or selected, best you can do. If that doesn’t work, switch to the head or groin. That’ll get their attention.

  51. Unregistered Comment by red_sleeves

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    “If guns kill people, then Pencils cause misspelled words” - Unknown

    My favorite: “If guns kill people, then spoons made Rosie O’Donnel fat.”

  52. Mjolnir Comment by Mjolnir

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    Well put. I just find it so incredibly frustrating that these MSM journaljizzmer idiots still blame the implement and not the actor. Oy vey. Will they ever learn?

  53. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    crunchie

    Multiple hits to the center mass of the target offered or selected, best you can do. If that doesn’t work, switch to the head or groin. That’ll get their attention.

    according to G.G. Liddy you should never try for the groin, only the most expert of marksmen can hit a target that small. :em93:

  54. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    you should never try for the groin, only the most expert of marksmen can hit a target that small.

    Not if your a female hilljohnny. They always put one or two there whether they intend to or not. :em99:

  55. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    I got tired of M,The Emperor, JB and Vulcanrider ragging my ass about my “puny” .9mm that I put this baby on layaway. Got it in .45acp. I hope to bring it home before the end of January.

    Good choice! I’ve got various firearms in various calibers. Absolute preference is my .45s, but with some good CorBon or p MAJOR brand h.p. stuff I don’t feel too bad with my 9. What you can hit the target with is the PRIME concern. Admittedly, if you’ve got Kimber money you can put that .45 where it needs to be. Once you’ve practiced ENOUGH to be a 1911 shooter. Once it becomes part of you, nothing else will do.

  56. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Hilljohnny

    you should never try for the groin, only the most expert of marksmen can hit a target that small.

    That’s what the 12ga load of #8 shot with spreader wads is for…

  57. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Crunchie and hilljohnny

    Although, to be perfectly honest, I consider the groin to be a primary target in a knife fight. Lots of big blood vessels close to the surface, lots of nerve endings to cause shock from pain, and, even if you do not connect, you are GOING to get a reaction.

    (Especially if you happen to be giggling a bit when you make the attack!)

  58. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    I hate this multiple post stringing, but, there it is…

    Crunchie, Just outta curiosity, do you ever have your guys do training on photo targets?

    We have noticed with shooters doing rapid strings, (acquire and fire) with the “armed suspect” targets that there is a tendency for what we call “threat fixation”. The targets tend to get shot in the gun, in other words.

    (We have students focus entirely on the target until the weapon is in line with the target, in a manner similar to what you would want to do in a self-defense situation.)

    Just wondering if your officers do the same thing, or if you even use that style of target?

  59. LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H. Comment by LC 0311 crunchie I.M.H.

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    Guido
    Yes, we’ve seen the same thing happen. It’s tough to counter because they are scanning in “shoot/don’t shoot” scenarios for the weapon, or non weapon object. And since the weapon tends to follow the eyes, it happens quite a bit.

    I hate to admit that we haven’t really tried to train to overcome it. Only so much training time and ammo budgeted, as you are aware.

    I could spend every day on the range if money and time allowed, and still only scratch the surface.

  60. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Crunchie

    I could spend every day on the range if money and time allowed, and still only scratch the surface.

    Oh, how very true, bro. I shoot as much as I can afford, (and I get free range time!), and I still learn something new every time out. I try to get as much dryfire in as I can in the interim, which at least is good for smoothing up a trigger pull…

  61. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Thankfully, the gun is in custody. Did they remember to read it its Miranda rights before they put it in zip ties and rode it downtown in the back of their Batmobile?

    (Glances over at shotgun, growing old in same ol’ hidey hole..) Now see? THAT’S why you’re gonna sit right where ya is,, no wanderin’ around gettin’ y’self into trouble.

    They’d only try to blame it all on me…

  62. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Oh yeah,,

    “Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage”

  63. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    Sir Guido Cabrone

    That’s what the 12ga load of #8 shot with spreader wads is for…

    Is this where the expression “shooting your wad” comes from..? :em99:

    Amazingly, the Canadian Forces uses a 9mm Browning pistol, which is carried by army officers. It always seemed too small a caliber to me. We had to requalify on the range once a year, and I personnally found this particular pistol to be rather finicky. Hard trigger pull for one, and quite inaccurate at best, even at extremely short range. Although I did alright, it took a lot of practice to finally get a decent grouping, and practice once a year isn’t practice at all.

    With the upgraded M16 on the other hand, hehehehe….

  64. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    Hardclimber

    Is this where the expression “shooting your wad” comes from..?

    most likely from muzzle loaders Hc. in the heat of battle soldiers might “drop the ball” (hmm..could be) while reloading and only shoot the wadding at the enemy. i also recall reading of a battle where an officer noticing some of his men down with ramrods in their chests yelled “green troops boys, we can take ‘em” and led a bayonet charge successfully against what had seemed to be very bad odds.

  65. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    9mm just doesn’t have the knockdown power I like to have. That’s why I stick with the good ‘ol .45 ACP in my Springfield XD 45. I’ve practiced enough to where I’ve got about a 2- inch group at 30 meters. As far as the effectiveness of gun control laws? Hell, that vermin broke a few of them, GUNS CAUSE CRIME LIKE FLIES CAUSE GARBAGE!! And the West wasn’t won with a registered gun!

  66. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Total idiocy as usual, coming from commie press. Guns cause crime, flies cause garbage, yeah, yeah… I see nothing much has changed since I took my happy ass off to basic and then to AIT. Reading the original article almost made me vomit. I just cannot believe emotional, breathy, spinster-hot-flush shit like that passes for journalism these days. I do think the little faggot tried too hard, because the article is probably too syrupy even for “firm believers” (not that there ever is anything “firm” about leftards).

    Anyway, moving on… I only shot a 9 mm at the range for target practice. I much prefer a .40 cal Glock to carry with me. I am a deadly shot with it, plus, it looks great on me arse. As for rifles, I absolutely hate an M-16, they are way too long and way too much of a pain in the ass. Give me an AK, any day, or, if we really have to go by the book, an M-4 will do. Shit, I’ll deal with the SAW’s (M249) weight, any day, just to avoid the M-16 nuisance! However, my groups are da bomb with an M-16, I just hate the damn weight of it combined with its length. Not exactly perfect for a 5 ft , 104 lb midget.

    Shooting someone in the nuts is a blast and an eternal challenge. Love it, and will do it at any opportunity, even though Haji nuts are notoriously small. :em96: My first targets at basic either had their paper heads cut off (neck shots at 75 m are my specialty), or their lower abdomen was shredded to shit, to a point where my drill sergeant nicknamed me “The Castrator”. I eventually placed all my shots center-mass, as told, but it bored me to no end. Exploding heads and nuts are soooo much more fun!

  67. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    Princess Natasha you should try to get a 933 commando. with the stock extended it is the same length as the m-4 collapsed, weighs a bit less, otherwise the same as the m-4.

  68. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Shooting someone in the nuts is a blast and an eternal challenge. Love it, and will do it at any opportunity,

    (Stands in awe of today’s marksmanship training, considerin’ the teeny targets)

  69. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Well, sure nuff looks ’bout zackly like an M-4 to me. But, WTF, I’ll take one in 6.8.