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Didn’t take long for a liberal bleeding heart fuckstick to crawl out from under his rock so he could stroke his holier-than-thou, hyperinflated ego in public. Don’t indecent exposure laws apply in Seattle? (thanks to Alert Reader Odie for the tip)

“Vengeance is mine,” said the Lord.

And then you read the names of the slain.

Judy and Wayne Anderson, both in their 60s.

Scott Anderson and his wife, Erica, and their two kids, Olivia, 6, and Nathan, just 3.

All shot dead on Christmas Eve.

You learn how these innocents pleaded for their lives and were blasted away by gunfire inside a Carnation home — and you do not want to wait for God.

You want the two suspects, Michele Anderson and her boyfriend, Joseph McEnroe, to feel vengeance now, get the ultimate payback.

Well, yes. But most of all, you want those two things taken out of circulation so that they may never, under any circumstances, hurt anybody ever again. The fact that they won’t be wasting valuable nutrients and oxygen either is just a bonus.

King County prosecutors Friday charged the pair with six counts of aggravated first-degree murder, opening the door to capital punishment. But the death penalty shouldn’t be the knee-jerk choice here — not in a civilized nation that so strongly touts its Christian ways.

Hooray! If there’s one thing that can make His Imperial Majesty all giddy with joy on a Sunday, it’s an opportunity to mock and ridicule yet another liberal assclown who thinks he knows something about Christianity but, in a few short paragraphs, proves beyond a reasonable doubt that he knows less about it than Muqtada al-Sadr. And when you see a screed claiming that capital punishment is against Christian doctrine, you know that the game is on.

Last I checked, an enduring message of Jesus is about redemption and forgiveness, even after the most pernicious evil.

Right. G-d’s forgiveness. As well as ours, for the sins committed against us. What Christian doctrine does not teach is that we’re all supposed to inflate our sanctimonious “look how good I am” creds by knee-jerkingly forgiving any and all sins committed against others. Funny that you should mention knee-jerks in the opening paragraphs and then immediately go on to jerk your own knee like a tazed bro, isn’t it? Funny, but not at all surprising.

And that’s just one aspect. Another is that you also, predictably so, have completely misunderstood what forgiveness means. It doesn’t mean that you’re immediately given a get-out-of-jail-free card. Yes, your sin may be forgiven, but that doesn’t mean that Earthly punishment for your crime is suddenly no longer necessary. Render unto Caesar and all that, something that you might want to look up if you insist on continuing to impersonate somebody who knows what Christianity is all about. I can and should forgive you for rear-ending my car, but that doesn’t mean that you won’t have to pay for the repairs.

Let’s try to make it even more simple for you, although we seriously doubt that we can ever make it simple enough for you to understand: Your sin, whatever it may be, has consequences. Forgiveness covers only the sin. You still have to make restitution for the consequences of it. Can we continue now, or do you need a few months to fully grok what we’re talking about here? Six-year-olds manage to catch on quite well in Sunday School, but we don’t want to presumptuously assume that your intellect is at that level. It’s bad teaching manners.

Beyond being un-Christian, government-sanctioned killing seems hypocritical: to do to people the very thing you’re condemning them for doing. That’s not showing a cultural value for life or setting a good societal example about how killing is wrong.

And, as you will show in a few short paragraphs, you know quite a bit about hypocrisy, being a quite accomplished practitioner thereof.

Nobody is suggesting that we “do to them what we’re condemning them for doing.” For us to do that, we would have to suggest murdering them. We’re not. We’re suggesting that we kill them as punishment for the murder that they committed, which is quite a different sort of thing. You’re not one of the morons who believe that our soldiers should refuse shooting back because “that would be just as bad as the enemy shooting at them“, are you? You just might be. That or you’re just completely overwhelmed when faced with the most basic of life’s concepts, rules and customs. We sometimes refer to people like that as “imbeciles.”

The crimes Anderson and McEnroe are accused of are unconscionable and unjustifiable. Prosecutors believe the slayings were motivated initially by money and greed, but the pair continued to spill blood to cover their tracks.

If convicted — a matter more of when than if, since prosecutors say Anderson and McEnroe have confessed — life behind bars would be righteous and just.

Toss the key.

It would? It would be “righteous and just” to allow them to continue to live, an option that they denied to six people, two of them small children who had never done anybody any harm? It would be “righteous and just” to let them continue living in the hopes that one day, somehow, a successful appeal or a subretarded Governor in the mold of Hickaboo came along and got them out of the clink?

Let them face each day for the rest of their days haunted by thoughts of the lives they savagely stole, and let Anderson, 29, feel the suffocating weight of what she did to her own kin.

Wouldn’t this beat death in a blink by capital punishment –

Wait a minute here. First you say that capital punishment is un-Christian, barbaric and unjust, and then you suggest that they instead be given a punishment that you yourself consider far worse than death?

You really ARE a Subject Matter Expert when it comes to hypocrisy, aren’t you?

after years of appeals and hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money spent fighting them? Wouldn’t this prevent the avoidable agony of victims’ loved ones being dragged through court long after the slayings have faded from public view?

And an expert on what the victims’ loved ones want too, we see. Isn’t it an awe-inspiring, almost unbearable burden to know so much about what other people think and feel and what is best for them? It’s almost — godlike in its scope. You should be careful not to hang around Romans and big wooden crosses, in our opinion.

Ultimately, life without parole is humane and in keeping with the tenet of turning the cheek.

It’s “humane” yet infinitely worse than the death penalty? You keep using that word, yet somehow we get the feeling that it doesn’t mean exactly what you think that it means. Coincidentally, that the exact same feeling that we get about everything else that you’re opining on in this uninformed, incoherent, illogical heap of goat’s droppings that you call a column.

And the only tenet it’s in keeping with is the one of “turning somebody else’s cheek so that you may feel better about yourself”, a tenet that we have never, not once encountered in Christian teachings.

People love to quote the Bible’s “an eye for an eye,” but they conveniently forget that God says “thou shall not kill” and commands us to exercise forgiveness and love even when there is a just claim for vengeance.

Put down the shovel and step away from it, will you? The hole is already plenty deep enough. What G-d does say, if you’d bother looking up the original text, is “thou shalt not murder“, which is quite a different cup of tea. It never ceases to amaze us that so many self-proclaimed theologian laymen insist on getting that one wrong. We mean, with all of the killing going on in the Bible without as much as a raised eyebrow from the Big Guy, as a matter of fact quite a bit of it happens at His insistence, doesn’t it seem strange in the least to you that He would make one of His most fundamental laws “thou shalt not kill?” Doesn’t it at least suggest that maybe, somehow, something was lost in translation along the way?

We did, so we looked it up and, lo and behold, something was indeed lost in translation. Amazing how you can learn things if your brain has an “on” switch that you know how to use, isn’t it?

This will weigh on newly elected King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, who now faces his first big capital punishment decision involving multiple victims.

Our state fancies itself more progressive and enlightened than Texas, where politicians eagerly race to send felons to death even though so many felons convicted of horrific crimes have been cleared through DNA.

Yes, we know that you consider yourselves more “progressive and enlightened”, but that, at the end of the day, doesn’t mean squat. I once met a man who considered himself to be Napoleon Bonaparte, but last I checked he hadn’t won a battle at Austerlitz, nor had he managed to use an Imperial Decree to get himself out of the mental institution to which he was committed.

And just how many murderers have been executed only to be found innocent after their execution? Could we have an example, please? It’s another one of those idiotic memes being trotted out by Idiotarians: “Some criminals have been found innocent through DNA analysis, ergo people have been executed wrongfully.” One does not follow the other. Yes, some criminals in jail with long sentences have been found innocent but, guess what, they weren’t among the ones executed. They weren’t executed because the evidence against them didn’t meet the standards that we sensibly require before we send somebody to Death Row, since we can’t revive them if it later turns out that we were wrong. So we give them prison sentences instead so that we may let them out if it turns out that they were innocent.

Which brings us to our second question: What, in the name of Be’elzebubs scrotal itch does that have to do with this case? It’s open and shut. You may not have noticed, but the two animals here confessed to the crime, there is absolutely no doubt, reasonable or otherwise, that they did it. So what does this have to do with cases in which DNA analysis later showed that the accused were innocent? If you answer “nothing”, you earn a cookie, but you’ll still have to justify the verbal diarrhea that you have profaned the Internet with.

But Washington might do well to look at the courage lawmakers marshaled in New Jersey. There, they voted this month to become the first state to repeal the death penalty since the U.S. Supreme Court allowed executions to resume in 1976. One of New Jersey’s death-row cretins is a familiar face. In 1992, Ambrose Harris raped and shot to death Kristin Huggins. Kristin, 22, was my high school friend.

Harris is an impenitent killer, remorseless, a predatory abuser who had been abused as a child. He’s earned his death wish.

But he has a divine right to life — every bit as much as Anderson and McEnroe, both of whom, judging from prosecutors, are coldblooded.

We’ve already noticed that you’re awfully generous handing out clemency to animals who have committed atrocities against others, there’s no need to rub it in. We get the point. We’re sure that you also belong to those who are ever so charitable with other people’s money, i.e. socialists, but we have to inform you that it doesn’t earn you any brownie points with people who have an actual brain.

It may make you feel better about yourself, as a matter of fact we’re sure that it does, but public displays of moral masturbation are as unbecoming as they are sickening, so we really would appreciate it if you’d cease and desist before we vomit.

Maybe the moral costs or faith argument against the death penalty doesn’t sway you. Well, there’s this — money.

Aren’t political conservatives, when they aren’t thundering about Christian values, always ranting about how government wastes money?

According to The Washington Post, keeping inmates on death row in New Jersey, for example, costs that state $72,602 per year per prisoner. Inmates kept in the general population cost $40,121 per year each. But the New Jersey corrections department found repealing capital punishment would save the state as much as $1.3 million per inmate over a lifetime — not including millions spent by public defenders on inmates’ appeals. That’s a lot of cash for other things.

So we’ve already established that you’re a hypocrite, that you know absolutely nothing about Christian tenets, even the most basic ones, and that you know nothing about justice, ethics, morals or the concept of forgiveness and charity either. How good of you to finish your screed by demonstrating that you know nothing about conservatism. That’s quite impressive.

Conservatives are all about getting things done as cheaply and efficiently as possible. That is not quite the same as “getting nothing done because it costs money.” Believe it or not, there are things that we conservatives believe have to be done, even if we have to pay for them. We’re just a bit more critical when it comes to the part where we have to decide whether government needs to do it in the first place. Once we’ve decided that it is something that needs to be done, we’re all about getting it done as cheaply as possible. Which means that you do have a point, stunningly surprising though it is, just not one that we think that you wanted to make.

The appeals process is rather ridiculously long and expensive, isn’t it? Something needs to be done about that. Thanks for noticing. We mean, the length of it ought to depend on the sentence and the level of evidence presented against the convict, no? Is there really any good reason why, in cases such as this one where there is absolutely NO doubt about the guilt of the swamp things, the appeals process needs to drag out for years and years? They’re guilty, they’ve confessed their guilt, now send them to Hell where they belong. Think of all the money we could save!

As I struggled to read court papers of what Anderson and McEnroe did in the Carnation home, I wanted in my heart to execute them. Wipe them off the Earth. The gory details spark such strong emotions.

But then, the mind kicks in.

No. What happened was that you saw an opportunity for verbal auto-eroticism that you just could not resist. A golden opportunity for you to stroke your “humanitarian credentials” by demonstrating how willing you are to forgive others for trespasses against people who are not you.

Hollow, disgusting, dishonest and none of your frackin’ gorram business.

Society should be in the business of seeking justice, not in the death business of blind revenge.

The former can be found by letting the criminals rot behind bars.

Revenge? That’s best left to our maker.

You’re the one bringing up revenge all the time, not us. We, on the other hand, are talking about justice and making sure that we, as a society, demonstrate that there are some life forms that we simply will not allow to walk among us, that there are some crimes so vile that the perpetrators have forfeited their rights to be called “men” and that we’re committed to safe-guarding and protecting the rest of society from them by putting them out of our misery.

G-d will have His vengeance upon them, of that there is no doubt. We’re just expediting their departure a bit.

60 Responses to “Bullshit On Parade”
  1. LC Old Dog Comment by LC Old Dog

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    That one seems to have you in fine form. You just need to stop holding back so. :em01:

    Say what you relly feel. :em96:

  2. LC Old Dog Comment by LC Old Dog

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    And FOIST! :em03:

  3. Unregistered Comment by LC Roguetek

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    I -still- say just shoot em and be done with it. too much fuss.

  4. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    i object to the death penalty because;
    1) i believe the state should not be allowed to take that which it cannot return.
    B) i believe death to be a release not a punishment.

  5. SeniorD Comment by SeniorD

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    Still the best fisker on the ‘Net.

    If my research is correct, murderers are at the top of the food chain in prison. Those two would spent a significant amount of time basking in the glow of other prisoners. That would be a monumentally sorry use of state/federal funds.

    As the old Westerns said ‘Hangin’s too good for ‘em’ I suggest they receive an early peek at what awaits them on the other side. Hang them over a slow burning fire and let them cook. It was done to the Templars so it should pass Church approval.

  6. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    According to The Washington Post, keeping inmates on death row in New Jersey, for example, costs that state $72,602 per year per prisoner. Inmates kept in the general population cost $40,121 per year each. But the New Jersey corrections department found repealing capital punishment would save the state as much as $1.3 million per inmate over a lifetime — not including millions spent by public defenders on inmates’ appeals. That’s a lot of cash for other things.

    The cost of a good rope is about $15 and some change.

    Damn New Jersey transplants.

    The people of this state overwhelmingly approved the death penalty in every poll taken.

  7. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Dress ‘em up in dirty sheets and turbans and drop ‘em off in the middle of the largest, hottest US military firing range and use ‘em for Hajji target practice. If they make it out alive, they get life in prison. Sounds like a fair deal to me. :em96:

  8. LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech Comment by LC Cheapshot911, Dept. of Redneck Tech

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    Septic tank liners

  9. Unregistered Comment by LC Roguetek

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    Look, these people are clearly rabid.

    No amount of ‘punishment’ is going to change -anything-. It’s not going to make them become humans, it’s not going to bring their victims back.

    What it will do, is cost you and me a whole lotta money that could be much better spent.

    Kill them quickly, and without fanfare. Done. and stop giving them attention.

  10. The Southern Libertarian Comment by The Southern Libertarian

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    hilljohnny

    i object to the death penalty because;
    1) i believe the state should not be allowed to take that which it cannot return.
    B) i believe death to be a release not a punishment.

    One of the best arguments against the death penalty and it doesn’t have a liberal slant to it, good stuff. I’ve also been objecting to the use of the death penalty in most cases(I say most because there are just some crimes so horrible there is no other option) but not because I care about the humanity of some dipshit who doesnt deserve anybody’s sympathy. Sure you kill em and you hope they go to hell for all eternity, but what if they get “saved” by some religous nut who believes everyone deserves a chance at heaven. This is one of my major beefs with religious doctrine because I think it’s unfair that some asshat who murders people in cold blood should be allowed to get saved while some guy who isn’t religous but lives a good life goes to hell for all eternity because he didn’t believe in Jesus? WTF over!!!
    :em98:

    Ok, don’t let those comments fool ya, just because I have a disagreement over doctrine or how the bible should be interprited doesn’t mean I have anything against people who are born again or saved, it just means that I beleieve that there are some people who aren’t worthy of such a redemption and that is all there is to it. As far as the death penalty is concerned for the most part I am against the death penalty, but for these criminals I’m willing to look the other way while ya flip the switch.

  11. Kristopher, LC Comment by Kristopher, LC

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    I prefer the libertarian/atheist solution to this, rather than the lefty twit trying to pretend to be righteous version.

    Did the perp(s) do something that no amount of restitution will fix? Was their act so bad that you would not vote to convict the victim’s relatives of anything should they lynch the perp?

    If so, haul the perp out behind the courthouse after conviction, and shoot him.

    The only question here should be guilt … not punishment. The living should not have to tolerate the perps’ further existence.

    No religion needed here … the proper results for the perps’ actions are rather clear.

  12. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    The state has an obligation to act in the interest of its citizens. After the protection of the nation came the assumed obligation impartially to act for the families, relatives, tribes, or other social groups in administering the law. To wit, it is better the state execute a criminal for a capital offense than the people of the deceased, because this lessens the likelyhood of a blood feud. Such feuds have been a bane of civilisation since time immemorial.

    If the state won’t do it people will. Stop whining about executions, and give up the horrendous punishments, I among others have mouthed off about.

  13. CiSSnarl5.7 Comment by CiSSnarl5.7

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    It’s open and shut. You may not have noticed, but the two animals here confessed to the crime, there is absolutely no doubt, reasonable or otherwise, that they did it.

    I’ll bet some subhuman defense lawer will scream “They confessed under duress, it’s not admissible!!” In 5,4,3,2…….

    Anyone want to take that bet?

  14. MAJ Mike Comment by MAJ Mike

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    Either a life is valuable or its not.

    If life is valuable, there should/must be a penalty for its theft.

    Therefore, murderers should/must suffer a penalty for their actions.

    The crime in Washington state is so awful, that it deserves special consideration. The two killers appear to be completely without redemption. IMHO, execution is appropriate.

    WWJD? I am not capable of acting with the same widom and mercy as would the Son of God. However, as a flawed Christian, I would have no hesitation to administering the death penalty to both of these bloody-handed killers.

    A society must consider justice. Without justice there is no need for the trappings of civilization. Without justice no religion can be considered worthy of consideration. If nothing else, this crime cries for the “…herd to be culled…”. Neither of these two creatures should be allowed to breed.

    Execute them after the procedures of criminal justice have been satisfied.

    I’m going to the range tomorrow. The USP .45 Compact needs to be exercised.

  15. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    If my research is correct, murderers are at the top of the food chain in prison.

    Yes, but they also killed children. That’s a big point subtraction factor at work.

    Its gonna be an even bigger circus at the King County Superior Court when these two are tried. Yippy Skippy.

  16. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    The death penalty is both Constitutional, and Biblical.

    There’s are several chapters on death penalty crimes in the Bible (Start with Exodus 21, and keep reading), and the Sixth Commandment says “You shall not commit murder”, NOT “You shall not kill”.

    The US Constitution says “No shall be deprived of life or property without due process.”

    The death penalty is also not vengeance, nor is it a preventative. It’s a PUNISHMENT. As long as the punishment fits the crime, I’m okay with the death penalty. If a state decides it wants to outlaw the death penalty, I’m okay with that, too. I don’t have to live in that state. (and I don’t. One of the many reasons I moved to Texas…)

  17. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Southern Libertarian-

    You might want to stop digging yourself a hole, lest you fall in the very one the idiot that wrote this article fell into.

    Sure you kill em and you hope they go to hell for all eternity, but what if they get “saved” by some religous nut who believes everyone deserves a chance at heaven. This is one of my major beefs with religious doctrine because I think it’s unfair that some asshat who murders people in cold blood should be allowed to get saved while some guy who isn’t religious but lives a good life goes to hell for all eternity because he didn’t believe in Jesus?

    No, we execute them and send them off to their own judgment before G-d as punishment and a surefire way of ensuring they won’t do it again. The outcome of that is none of our concern, even if we chose to pray for their souls. Our Christian faith requires us to try to forgive those that have committed transgressions against us personally. The consequence to them before the L-rd is an entirely unrelated matter and not our concern. You’re ignorance is showing if you think that Christians believe that we intervene directly for anyone’s salvation. We pray that they might come to recognize their own sin, seek repentance and receive forgiveness from the L-rd. We most assuredly don’t get it for them. Murderers might have a chance of attaining forgiveness, but it’s a matter that’s beyond our pay grade, way beyond. Coupled with a singular lack of Hell’s latest census we’ll never know. However, I’m fairly certain that some crime is beyond forgiveness and Hell awaits those that commit them, however from a doctrinal standpoint those people aren’t human to begin with and have no eternal soul.

    I’ll ignore the entirely unnecessary perjorative “religious nut” in the context of your comment, but that’s the last warning you’ll get from me.

    Your concept of who gets saved and doesn’t being fair or unfair has no relevance whatsoever. G-d has established the entire set of requirement to seek repentance for our sins, forgiveness and salvation spiritually. None of which, give the sinner a get out of jail or the chair free card. We are still subject to the Law’s of Man, as government by definition is ordained by G-d.

    Who said you’re definitely going to hell if you don’t believe in Jesus, but lead an otherwise honest and good life? The beauty of the Christian faith is that redemption is to be had right up to the very moment of Judgment. You can live that good life without accepting Jesus right up to the end and still make it to heaven.

    Marvelous isn’t it?

    And while you’re busy reading Exodus that HDD mentioned, try out Exodus 17:8-16. That was a bit more than just killing, it was genocide on G-d’s command. Plenty of other examples can be found throughout the bible.

  18. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    It is pretty much a foregone conclusion that these two individuals are guilty and should swing. (Yes, we are a hangin’ state, and I have an interesting factoid about that in a moment)

    The author of the PI article is from New Joisey. That state decided to end Capital Punishment as a penalty, mainly because of the number of people who have spent years on death row only to be released after DNA has cleared them.

    What do we do about the fact that some people sitting on Death Row are factually innocent? I am certainly not talking about the two from Carnation — send them through a wood chipper without delay, because they have admitted to it in detail. (that would be their reward for coming clean right away, instead of going through the farce of challenging the facts)

    Okay, now for my little factoid:

    In order for the state to hang someone, there has to be a certified hangman. There aren’t many around any more. In fact, in 1989 when Washington was getting ready to hang Charles Campbell, there were only two known hangmen left in the United States, and one was suffering a nervous breakdown.

  19. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    In order for the state to hang someone, there has to be a certified hangman. There aren’t many around any more.

    Surely there’s an online correspondence course offered by The University of Phoenix!!!

    :em99:

  20. The Major Comment by The Major

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    Instructions for a low-cost, high satisfaction execution:

    1) Gut shoot condemned with 22 rimfire. Flank to flank so major arteries are not damaged.

    2) Stool in abdomen will eventually cause an excruciating infection (peritonitis).

    3) Secure the condemned’ arms and legs to a hard floor. Allow small children and hyperactive dogs to play on his abdomen.

    4) Administer antibiotics as necessary to keep the condemned from dying, but not enough to completely treat the infection. That should keep the kids and puppies entertained for days.

    5) When everyone is finally bored with that technique, transport the condemned, in the back of an old pickup with completely shot shock absorbers, to the nearest southern lawn with a serious fire ant infestation. Secure him to the lawn and “expose” his entrails. The fire ants will know what to do.

    6) When shock sets in and he begs for water, give him a slug of Drain-O.

    7) With any luck, the vultures or coyotes will have a shot at him before he expires.

  21. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Sweet. I found the exact procedures that need to be followed for hangin’ someone that needs a good hangin’.

    :em69:

  22. Northern Bark Comment by Northern Bark

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    Funny how members of the atheist religion use Christianity as an excuse to let oxygen thieves off the hook. They fail to remember that the two others crucified with Christ were not turned loose. Nor did Christ make any statement that their crucifixion was unjust. He did, however, accept the one’s request for redemption.

    My point is that using “Christianity’ as the means to get out of receiving what is due is wrong. Crying, like Karla Faye Tucker tried, “I’m a Christian now, I shouldn’t be executed,” was simply a corruptive attempt to weasel out of her fate. Had she really became a Christian, like she claimed, she would have been at peace with her fate, not using her supposed conversion as a means for clemency.

    When a person arbitrarily and for criminal reasons takes it upon them self to take away another person’s right to life – particularly in the case of the Anderson couple – that person gives up their own right to life. This has nothing to do with trying to bring the victim back or exacting vengeance. It is simply what is right.

    Why should some oxygen thief be allowed to rein bull shit from their prison cell? Charles Manson comes to mind; even today he causes grief to the Tate family while serving a life sentence. He may be out of society but still uses his status to be a threat.

    And that is my two-cents worth.

  23. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Southern Libertarian, I think Brother JB nailed it, but let me put it in a slightly different, but still Biblical context for you. The prodigal son came back, and was welcomed like the beloved son he was. That was a redemption, but but he still spent his inheritance. He benefited from his father’s grace and mercy, but he was still not going to live the life his father had intended because of the spending of that inheritance. We all have that inheritance, and there are some things we can do to screw that up. That doesn’t mean that God won’t make something miraculous out of what remains in the lives that we lead, but free will, that measure of benevolence that shows God’s confidence in us, tends to allow us to be our own worst enemies until we become smart enough to come around to the truths He has laid so bare for us all. True repentance can redeem us, but that doesn’t mean that we won’t pay the price for our actions, and since we have many admonitions about following the laws of our earthly leaders, no reasonable interpretation of Christianity would lead one to believe that either of these murderers should receive anything less then the full measure of punishment that the law allows.

  24. The Southern Libertarian Comment by The Southern Libertarian

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    LC Jackboot

    No, we execute them and send them off to their own judgment before G-d as punishment and a surefire way of ensuring they won’t do it again. The outcome of that is none of our concern, even if we chose to pray for their souls. Our Christian faith requires us to try to forgive those that have committed transgressions against us personally

    I don’t agree that anyone(I.E the victims and the victim’s families) should forgive these sorry sacks of crap, but I do agree that the punishment should fit the crime and I see no other alternative than the death penalty. What I was disagreeing with was the concept that someone like them could actually be forgiven by god and the elements within the religous community who believe people as horrible can be “born again.” Someone brough up the case of Karla Fay Tucker, for whom some religous groups argued against her execution because she converted to christianity. Those were the religous nuts I was referring to and I was not implying just beacsue someone is religous they are crazy. I do believe that someone who argues against carrying out a just execution of a heinous criminal and using religion to justify it is a nut plain and simple . Also, I’ve been a practicing Roman Catholic my entire life but that doesnt mean that I can’t have disagreements wit other Catholics or other denominations.

    LC Jackboot

    We pray that they might come to recognize their own sin, seek repentance and receive forgiveness from the L-rd. We most assuredly don’t get it for them.

    Once again I disagree because there are religous people who go to prisons and try to get these people to convert to christianity and recieve christ as thier savior. While alot of the criminals in prison certainly arent beyond redemption and I admire the efforts of those who wish to help them find christ, I believe that there are certain crimes that are simply beyond forgiveness and I do not wish to share heaven with scumbags like them.

    I’ll ignore the entirely unnecessary perjorative “religious nut” in the context of your comment, but that’s the last warning you’ll get from me.

    Ok my fault, to be fair I didnt specify whom I was calling a nut. To be clear I meant those who hold candlelight vigils outside of prisons and use religion as a reason to justify speaking on the behalf of scumbags.

    However, I’m fairly certain that some crime is beyond forgiveness and Hell awaits those that commit them, however from a doctrinal standpoint those people aren’t human to begin with and have no eternal soul.

    I think this proves that at least we share some common ground, so I ask why just focus on what we disagree on? Perhaps I can be abit harsh in my comments, but that’s just who I am.

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    But the death penalty shouldn’t be the knee-jerk choice here — not in a civilized nation that so strongly touts its Christian ways.

    I read the gist of the crime, which the shitspouter so eloquently describes with the insufficient word “here”.

    Bottom line: Does the state of this atrocity permit the death penalty?

    If it does, I’m sad but content. If it doesn’t, I’m enraged. Everything else is beside the point.

    Also, someone should tell this self-righteous Latte Lecturer that biblical arguments sound best when made by someone other than patronizing, contemptuous atheists/agnostics from Seattle.

  26. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    For crying out loud!!!!!!!!!

    I’m gonna have to start giving catechism lessons around here!

    Southern Libertarian

    I beleieve that there are some people who aren’t worthy of such a redemption and that is all there is to it.

    Yep. That would be EVERY human being ever born. None are worthy. “…While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8)

    JB

    Who said you’re definitely going to hell if you don’t believe in Jesus,

    Uh…

    JESUS DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6)

    (JB, I get your point about having until your last breath to come to repentance. But scripture is clear; If you step out of this world with out Christ, you’re toast.)

    However, I’m fairly certain that some crime is beyond forgiveness and Hell awaits those that commit them, however from a doctrinal standpoint those people aren’t human to begin with and have no eternal soul.

    There is no sin that is stronger than the cross. Except one. Denying the Holy Spirit. (That’s right, even if Hitler had repented and put his faith in Christ, he would have received salvation through grace)

    My office door is always open….just bring the beers.

  27. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    I think this proves that at least we share some common ground, so I ask why just focus on what we disagree on?

    if we don’t focus on our disagreements and hash them out we (or at least i ) will not find the flaws in our opinions. i usually do not learn as much when people agree with everything i say. :em69:

  28. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    The theology has been pretty well covered already, but I just want to jump in and note that I understand your disgust with repentance being open even to some particularly grievous crimes, Southern Libertarian, I understand it because I agree with you that it’s incomprehensible. To me, anyways.

    But that’s the beauty of it. I don’t have to understand it, indeed it would be passing strange if I did, being a mere mortal, because I didn’t write the rules. No, I don’t understand how even a scumbag like Hitler could have received salvation, because I certainly never can nor will forgive that Satanic creature’s misdeeds. And I don’t have to. Salvation doesn’t mean that I, personally, am obligated to consider the slate cleared. I’m not the one granting it. It is, as Jackboot said, way above my pay grade, G-d is the one doing so. Similarly with other murderers. G-d may forgive, but I don’t have to. My personal forgiveness and that of G-d are two completely different things.

  29. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Bear and Southern Libertarian-
    -

    We being humans, are expected to try to forgive them nonetheless although under circumstances such as these I couldn’t do it, with that said and as humans we’re still expected to find it in our hearts to do our best to extend forgiveness– Our L-rd and Savior said even as he was crucified, “Forgiven them for they know not what they do”.

    SL- the turn the other cheek crowd that puts on the sham 11th hour vigils and protests to stop the executions are misguided terribly. Honestly as I said before, I’d stand in line or pay to pull the switch, push the buttons or spring the trap on these inhuman vermin. Those convicted deserve the punishment, however they rarely actually suffer what their victims did. Much the same as the Phelps cult, they’ve corrupted the teachings of the NT into something entirely of their own devices, and will suffer for it.

    If you step out of this world with out Christ, you’re toast

    Indubitably so, my friend. Perhaps I didn’t articulate myself quite as clearly as I should. I had in mind, deathbed acceptance of Christ as an example, my failure entirely. There is one and one only door to the Father and that is through the Son. It’s a narrow strait that we each must pass unto judgment. Once you’ve shuffle off that mortal coil, your lot is cast. The Pendulum (Hat Tip to Ricky Skaggs) has stopped swinging and your choice is final, there is NO plan ‘C’.

    The statement about Hitler i.e., is pretty much a null statement theologically as by any measure his evil spirit was not of man, but a minion of Satan, as scripture warns us of wolves girded as sheep. However the premise is true, had he repented in the last hour, he might have a chance for spiritual salvation. Considering that there is little record of monsters such as him doing so, it’s unlikely to happen, yet possible. I’ve found that most professed atheists are more afraid of being wrong, than being right, and manage to hang onto some token belief, just in case. LOL.

    There is no sin that is stronger than the cross.

    Bravo !!! Perhaps you missed your calling somewhere along the line, it took over 50 years for mine to arrive, now I get to hit the books to finish Seminary. Ducky….just ducky…..

    We are all sinners by definition from the time we’re old enough to understand the difference. Children are exempt. And the wages of that built-in sinful nature is death.

    I’ll sign up for your catechism classes if you’ll let me dunk you in de’ river. That way we’ll both be covered. M’Kay Brother? I’ll bring the beers for the apres-dunk too.

  30. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I think the bigger question would be WWCND?

    (For the uninitiated, that’d be “What Would Chuck Norris Do?”)
    :em03:

  31. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I think the bigger question would be WWCND?

    Endorse Mike Hickapoo?

  32. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    I think the bigger question would be WWCND?

    Neither- he’d run the newest Ab-Lounger ad.

    And by the bye, why are y’all both still up? I don’t recall either of you getting permission slips for breaking curfew. G’Night Gracie.

  33. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    And for crying out loud, our neighborhood lib even agrees with the death penalty! At least in this case. This should reflect the level of atrocity. As for the rope, the costs of maintenance, the costs of so many variables? $.25-$.50 for a bullet to the back of the head, and maybe $1.00 worth of gas for the backhoe. They confessed. They described in detail exactly what they did, there is no doubt they did it. I forget exactly where the saying “some crimes are beyond man to judge, therefore a higher court must take the case”. These things will do nothing but cost the taxpayer money to keep alive. They will never be released back into society. Why the people do not realise that anyone sentenced to “no possibility of parole” are nothing more than a continued financial burden to society is beyond me. That these things should be allowed to continue to breath is incomprehensible. As decent human beings we, unlike them, do not cause pain and suffering( although they most assuredly deserve what they gave). We simply remove them from this sphere of existence.

  34. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Endorse Mike Hickapoo?

    Yeah. So much for “the stuff legends are made of”

    :em98:

  35. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    BC @ 21:

    Sweet. I found the exact procedures that need to be followed for hangin’ someone that needs a good hangin’.

    Okay, study for the test I will give you on Tuesday. Then I will mail you your certificate allowing you to perform hangin’s.

    (You might have to get a license here in the State of Washington. If they require a barber to get a license, I suspect they would want their hangmen licensed too)

    Northern Bark @ 22

    Funny how members of the atheist religion use Christianity as an excuse to let oxygen thieves off the hook.

    Frankly, my eyes glass over.

    hitnrun @ 25:

    Also, someone should tell this self-righteous Latte Lecturer that biblical arguments sound best when made by someone other than patronizing, contemptuous atheists/agnostics from Seattle.

    Being the agnostic Liberal from Seattle, I don’t spend much time trying to run the need for a death penalty for certain shit stains through the filter of a religion or faith. I don’t normally go for the “eye-fer-an-eye” routine, nor do I really care if it is biblical.

    I look at the circumstances of the offense itself and if I can’t find any reason for the perpetrator to continue living, then I don’t lose any sleep over their demise.

    I understand the Soviets had a way of carrying out their death sentence that seemed humane to me.

    The condemned were put into solitary confinement. They could live in that one cell for months, if not years, with no contact whatsoever with the outside. Then, one day, out of the blue, the door would open and the guard would put a bullet into the head of the prisoner when they weren’t looking.

    If you are sentenced to LWOP or the death penalty, you should live the rest of your life in solitary confinement with no communication with anyone except for prison staff on a need-be basis. No TV, no radio, no newspaper, no magazine, no letters from home (exception for legal mail and court/lawyer correspondence). Their tiny world should literally be reduced to the 8×10 cell they live in.

    Bottom line: I have absolutely no qualms about giving the death penalty in certain cases — this being a ripe one.

  36. chuck Comment by chuck

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    The writer of the original article obviously has no understanding of math either.

    According to The Washington Post, keeping inmates on death row in New Jersey, for example, costs that state $72,602 per year per prisoner. Inmates kept in the general population cost $40,121 per year each. But the New Jersey corrections department found repealing capital punishment would save the state as much as $1.3 million per inmate over a lifetime — not including millions spent by public defenders on inmates’ appeals. That’s a lot of cash for other things.

    Let’s see. If it takes ten years to run through their appeals at $72,602 a year, that comes up to $726,020. So if they would have lived nineteen years under a life sentence, the state comes out ahead, fiscally, with the death penalty (40,121 X 19 = $762,299). Considering these two are both relatively young, I think they would live at least forty years in prison meaning the death penalty would save the state $878,820 each.

    Put ‘em down!

  37. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    Harris is an impenitent killer, remorseless..

    But he has a divine right to life

    Begs the question, now, doesn’t it? (And I’m surprised no one here asked whether this author’s “divine right to life” extends to those annoying embryonic/fetal types.)

  38. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    (You might have to get a license here in the State of Washington. If they require a barber to get a license, I suspect they would want their hangmen licensed too)

    Does WA have reciprocity for hangmen, ala concealed carry licenses? Perhaps we could get some kind of national hangmen’s & executioners’ association going and farm out the work on an “as needed” basis? It’d be like having a pool utility fielders ready to go for those times when you just can’t seem to round up the local stringer or electrician. We could call it something along the lines of:

    Hangmen’s Association & National Guild of Executioners & Morticians™

    (aka H.A.N.G.E.M.)

  39. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    Folks, since I happen to be a hardcore atheist, and does see a need to take out the garbage, it would be my pleasure to gutshoot the two of them with a .22 caliber slug as offered by The Major and assist said fine officer in performing the deed as so eloquently stated at #20.

    Since it is NOT a matter of “heaven or hell” with yours truly, it would be carried out without the slightest remorse or even feeling. When these two pieces of dried-up cat vomit killed these children, all aspect of humanity they might have had was forfeited immediately. They might walk on two legs, have two hands, two arms, they might look like people etc, etc, but they are NOT human, sooooo………

    And I would make a film of the whole thing, from beginning to end, and show it to any and all children killers, molesters and pedophiles and murderers just after they are sentenced to die, so that they’ll KNOW what’s awaiting them. They can scream, they can plead, they can find religion, they can implore mercy I DON’T CARE. Then I would erase their names from the archives of society. Condemned, executed (see post #20), and erased, all within the time (a long, long time) they’ll take to croak.

    Think I’m cruel? For that kind of scum, not enough… Wonder what THAT would do to “crime statistics” after a while..?

  40. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    HC, we can flip a coin to see who gets to go first. We can take turns holding the camera after that.
    :em96: :em03:

  41. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    BC

    I think we’d have to fight off The Major first! Well, being his idea and all, maybe he should take the first turn, but I will flip that coin with you right after!

    And to think some bleeding-heart assholes will be pleading for these turds’ lives! Makes one wonder about this society of wimps the hippie-era brought us…

  42. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    BC-

    Hangmen’s Association & National Guild of Executioners & Morticians™

    Sign me up for a Charter Membership !!!!

    And to think some bleeding-heart assholes will be pleading for these turds’ lives!

    Of course there will be, along with skatey-eight ACLU type defense attorneys taking the case pro-bono.

    It’s cut and dried, they confessed and they’ll die of old-age long before the get the short-drop, sudden-stop is a bitch, ride to a nice warm spot on the Lake, the REAL warm one.

  43. Unregistered Comment by LawDog

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    Maybe the moral costs or faith argument against the death penalty doesn’t sway you. Well, there’s this — money.

    Aren’t political conservatives, when they aren’t thundering about Christian values, always ranting about how government wastes money?

    According to The Washington Post, keeping inmates on death row in New Jersey, for example, costs that state $72,602 per year per prisoner. Inmates kept in the general population cost $40,121 per year each. But the New Jersey corrections department found repealing capital punishment would save the state as much as $1.3 million per inmate over a lifetime — not including millions spent by public defenders on inmates’ appeals. That’s a lot of cash for other things.

    That savings of 1.3 million per inmate assumes that the inmate is being released at age 50.

    Prison inmates — due to their lifestyle — have health issues that non-critter folks don’t get — and inmates start popping up with health problems much earlier than normal people.

    The cost of houseing inmates over the age of fifty is the same — or more — as housing death row inmates.

    So, unless this jackanapes is planning on releasing these two critters at age 50 — which kind of defeats the whole “Life Without Parole” BS — they’re going to wind up costing the State just about as much — over a lifetime — as they would if they got the Silver Needle in ten years.

    I notice that this idiot also believes that death row inmates are the only ones who file appeals — which is a blatant falsehood — so we can take those savings off the list, too.

    Plus, BS lawsuits are a source of recreaction for inmates. A lifetime behind bars is a lifetime in which these two inmates can cost the State millions of dollars in frivolous lawsuits.

    Pfagh.

    LawDog

  44. LC Hardclimber54 Comment by LC Hardclimber54

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    And BC, I’d like a lifetime membership in your Association please. Euh, any dental plan with the membership..? :em93:

    I still post #20. Heck, it should be the ONLY way to deal with such filth!

  45. Gang of One Comment by Gang of One

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    (JB, I get your point about having until your last breath to come to repentance. But scripture is clear; If you step out of this world with out Christ, you’re toast.)

    There is no sin that is stronger than the cross. Except one. Denying the Holy Spirit. (That’s right, even if Hitler had repented and put his faith in Christ, he would have received salvation through grace)

    Ummm, what about the victims of Hitler’s Final Solution? Did the Jews who were gassed and cremated for the sole reason they were Jews, did they miss out on the rewards of heaven?

    I have a problem with your catechism, coach.

  46. The Major Comment by The Major

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    BC & HC, my technique takes so long, many can participate in it! I consider it “community-style” execution. The other advantage: It invites creativity. For instance, you don’t have to use small children or hyperactive puppies to bounce around on the exquisitely tender abdomen of the condemned. You could operate a jackhammer within a couple of feet of him. You could also hang him by his hands and throw baseballs at his belly. There are countless, personal touches you could add. How about excoriating huge patches of skin followed by alcohol sponge baths? You could even place a couple of large centipedes up his rectum!

    With a little creativity, this free-style form of execution, limited in duration only by the amount of beer you have on hand, can be a customized, personal expression of how you and your co-executioners feel about the condemned.

  47. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Ummm, what about the victims of Hitler’s Final Solution? Did the Jews who were gassed and cremated for the sole reason they were Jews, did they miss out on the rewards of heaven?

    I have a problem with your catechism, coach.

    Tough. Take it up with the Big Guy. His world, His rules. By the very rules of the Torah, Hebrews unfortunate enough to be killed without accepting Jesus as their personal Lord (the part that gets left out with most American Christians) and Savior do not get to go to Heaven, since Jesus is the fulfillment of about 2,000 HEBREW prophecies. It wasn’t until the 2nd Century BC or so that Hebrew scholars changed the meanings of the prophecies to be metaphorical for the Nation of Israel. So, since Jesus is the promised Messiah for the Hebrews, and most (not all) Hebrews do not acknowledge Jesus as the promised Messiah, then…it hurts, but, the Hebrews who died during the Holocaust do not receive the rewards of Heaven.

    Of course, there may be an exemption slapped in there by the Big Guy that we aren’t told about, but, I’m not staking my future on hoping the Big Guy makes exceptions.

  48. Unregistered Comment by LC Roguetek

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    No, no, no *NO*.

    We are -civilized- humans here ( for the most part ). They have no intel we need, there is nothing to be gained by torturing them. To commit such acts is wrong. To endorse, suggest, or otherwise encourage such acts are wrong.

    WE are -better- than that. ( I hope ). Thier guilt has been confirmed, and they should be executed. Period. full stop. No fuss, no torture, no -fame-. Just a nameless, boring, unremembered death for a pair of nameless, soon to be unremembered rabid humans.

    Advocating this kind of shit on the taxpayer’s dime is -right- out.

  49. MaxMomFL Comment by MaxMomFL

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    The unfortunate Hebrew victims of the Holocaust exemplify one of my personal stumbling blocks to faith. I have, ultimately, the understanding that the Holy One of Israel is good, just and righteous. I know we have merely a humans-eye perspective of events as they unfold on our sin-laden dust ball. My emotions are stirred devastated when even imagining (much less reading and watching actual accounts) of what poor souls have suffered at the hands of the demoniac Nazis or (in this case) so-called family members. I have prayed for wisdom and ability to accept what I cannot fully comprehend; so many more questions than (easy) answers.

    One part that I do understand; we each are responsible for our own decision whether or not to receive the free give of life offered by the Messiah. We have (in essence) as much Jesus in our lives as we want. Yes, the Torah points to Him and beyond what the Torah says, the Father said creation itself points to him and that He will always reward those who diligently seek Him.

    What I’m trying to say is, “It is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment.” The manner in which we die, or by whose hand, is irrelevant to our personal responsibly with respect to faith in Christ. A vicious, brutal death is not an alternative path to imputed righteousness; however piteous and painful to bear from our view.

  50. Unregistered Comment by LC Roguetek

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    Huh, it ate my comment.

    anyhow.

    I disagree in the strongest possible sense in regards to any sort of torture, or death by torture of condemned prisoners who possess no nationial security value.

    -WE- are better than that. you dont torture a rabid animal, you simply kill it to prevent it’s spread, and dispose of the carcass.

    Once Thier guilt is established as a matter of record, and judgement applied, be -done- with it.

    tormenting them belittles us, and gives them fame and rememberance they do no deserve. For not only should they killed, they should be forgotten. buried in unmakred graves, thier birth certificates destroyed, and all rememberance of thier passage thru this world removed. It should be as tho they never existed.

  51. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    I suppose I ought to give my ideal execution, since everyone else has chimed in with theirs.

    Shoot them in the face with a .22 pistol. That’s it. On other sites, it’s called “The HDD Solution”.

    .22 is used, because .22 LR is so cheap, I *think* they give boxes of 100 out with Cracker Jacks™. You shoot them in the face, because a half-way decent shot can end it with one pull of the trigger, yet, if one shot doesn’t do it, or, more shots are required for certainty, it’s .22 LR. Empty the magazine. Heck, reload, and blow through the box. It’s not like it’s expensive.

    BUT, here’s the important part: you do it with no concern, one way or the other, about the suffering of the condemned. You don’t try to prolong their pain, but, at the same time, you’re doing nothing to shorten it. It’s done completely emotionless. It’s like shooting a snake in your back yard. You’d rather not have to, but, since it needs to be done, you do it, and you go to sleep at night.

    Once someone has committed a crime worthy of the death penalty, I no longer view them as humans. They’re animals. Treat them as such.

    (If they manage to find Christ while they’re awaiting their sentence, great! We can chat in the afterlife. Because they’re still going to meet their Maker real soon. Finding Christ doesn’t remove the necessity of the punishment. It just makes me feel better that another soul was saved.)

  52. The Major Comment by The Major

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    Devildog,

    The cheapest, quickest, most lack-of-concern-est form of execution is the guillotine. Walk up to the device, yawn, pull a lever, yawn, walk away and it’s Miller time. The blade is reusable and can be hoisted by muscle power, making it the “green” choice for environmentally conscious executioners. It does, however, lack the satisfaction factor of a prolonged and gruesome execution. I’m good either way, so long as the executions are done IN PUBLIC and TELEVISED. It may not deter committed goblins from perpetrating heinous crimes, but it will give the less committed ones something to think about.


    “The Guillotine: Making heads strangers to their bodies since 1789″

  53. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    I am not a particularly religious person, though raised as a Christian, promptly lapsed, as I hated Sunday School, and found some of the dogma hard to swallow. I respect the faith of others, for the most part, and generally refrain from theological arguments because they always seem to boil down to a distinction between what is objectively verifiable, and faith. Life is too short to argue with someone whose faith provides all answers. As far as I am concerned, there are many paths to Heaven and versions of Him.

    Tough. Take it up with the Big Guy. His world, His rules. By the very rules of the Torah, Hebrews unfortunate enough to be killed without accepting Jesus as their personal Lord (the part that gets left out with most American Christians) and Savior do not get to go to Heaven, since Jesus is the fulfillment of about 2,000 HEBREW prophecies. It wasn’t until the 2nd Century BC or so that Hebrew scholars changed the meanings of the prophecies to be metaphorical for the Nation of Israel. So, since Jesus is the promised Messiah for the Hebrews, and most (not all) Hebrews do not acknowledge Jesus as the promised Messiah, then…it hurts, but, the Hebrews who died during the Holocaust do not receive the rewards of Heaven.

    DevilDog, this is a thoroughly hateful thing to say. So Jesus was found in 2,000 Hebrew fortune cookies? Very few Jews accept Jesus, as you demand. Why? Because they are Jews, not Christians. Your knowledge of the textual development of both the New and Old Testaments is pretty weak - ala comic book. Just for laughs, let’s have some citations for the fortune cookies and transformation. There is little evidence to support Judaism transforming itself thus in the text. And yes, the 5 Books of Moses are composed of several discernable independent texts.

    For anyone interested in textual analysis, Richard Elliott Friedman wrote two excellent ones, “Who Wrote the Bible” and “the Bible. In the later the sources are identified in the 5 Books of Moses and color coded. It is very interesting stuff.

  54. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Oh, right. You’re *that* Mark. The idiot.

    *yawn*

    *GAZE*

  55. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Major,

    I haven’t checked the price recently, but, I think .22 LR might be a hair cheaper than the amount of money it would take to pay someone to pull the rope up.

    Not sure, though. I could be talked into using the guillotine. Pretty easily.

  56. chuck Comment by chuck

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    I think the guillotine may well end up cheaper than the .22s in the long run since it can be prorated over so many executions. :em69:

  57. LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R. Comment by LC SkyeChild G.L.O.R.

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    Once B.C. starts his organization, y’all could have Mope draw up some “Execution offsets” for those who protest the death penalty.

  58. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    I’m inclined to go with The Major and his guillotine idea.

    There’s a theory out there called “Lucid Decapitation” which holds that (the head of) a person who has been beheaded retains consciousness for a brief period of time following the decapitation and is aware of the surroundings and what just happened. Now, this might be nothing more than a myth, but in the case of these two beasts from Washington, it’s probably worth trying just on the chance it might be true.

  59. The Major Comment by The Major

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    Guillotine is definitely cheaper:

    1) Judging by the good folk here, there are plenty of volunteers to pull the lever. Cost: $0.00 (Note: It does seem right to buy the executioner de jour a couple of cold brewskies for his/her “hard” work. I’ll be more than happy to supply the beer at no cost.)

    2) The Guillotine itself could be built by volunteers at no cost to the gubmint. I’m sure the Empire has more than enough talent to build one seriously modern head-lopper-offer. Cost: $0.00

    3) You have to keep the blade sharp (or not) and the machine well lubricated, so there are likely to be maintenance costs. Can’t imagine that costing more than $6 a year for some WD40. I’ll buy those, too, otherwise the GAC (Gubmint Adjusted Cost) would bring the final acquisition cost of one can of WD40 to $10,673.88

    Mike, to prove Lucid Decapitation, you would need to put an EEG on the condemned and monitor brain wave activity after “undocking.” What are the odds we could get a study like that going?

    The most humane form of execution (other than lethal injection) is the electric chair. Instantaneous unconsciousness is induced by mass depolarization of the brains neurons. No coherent thought can possibly take place. The same thing happens in Electro-Convulsive Therapy (ECT), only the dose of electricity is far smaller. Like ECT, death by electrocution looks real bad, but the condemned feels and is aware of absolutely nothing. Of course, appearance is far more important to libtards than substance.


    Yep, this electri-fried goblin will need a little tidying up before planting, but he sure as hell didn’t feel ANYTHING when they plugged him in!

    As far as lethal injection goes, it is essentially the induction of general anesthesia. In fact, the dose of sodium thiopental is far higher than used in general anesthesia. The condemned loses consciousness almost instantly and stops breathing almost as quickly. The massive doses of pancuronium bromide (long-acting muscle relaxant) and potassium chloride (electrolyte) are given to insure the condemned doesn’t start breathing (which is NOT a sign of consciousness) and that the heart stops beating within seconds rather than several minutes. The argument that thiopental might wear off too soon is completely bogus. While the drug does redistribute to other tissues rapidly, the dose is way more than adequate to render unconsciousness long enough for hypercapnia (increased carbon dioxide in the blood) to greatly add to the sedative effect of thiopental, and for anoxia (oxygen starvation) to begin killing off brain cells by the billions. Anyone who makes the argument that lethal injection is inhumane is a dick. Everyone should be fortunate enough to die in such a peaceful way.

  60. hilljohnny Comment by hilljohnny

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    Major what level of voltage do they use? i once got tied into 440V at 50 A. it was not painless.