“NetKKKops II, This Time It’s Even Dumber”
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Idiotarians10:10 PM
LC & IB FIAR, whose post you shouldn’t miss either, points us in the general direction of a bunch of goody two shoes who have decided to blindly stumble where too many well-intentioned idiots have gone a million times before: To boldly go and try to nannify the Internet.
Is it too late to bring civility to the Web?
By all means, Ms Post, be as civil as you like. That was easy, wasn’t it?
The conversational free-for-all on the Internet known as the blogosphere can be a prickly and unpleasant place. Now, a few high-profile figures in high-tech are proposing a blogger code of conduct to clean up the quality of online discourse.
Oh great. Guess what, you simpering snotwits? That’s been tried before, way back before blogs became a phenomenon and people had to resort to a thing called “newsgroups” for their online debating entertainment. For years (and quite possibly still), self-appointed net-nannies would patrol the USENet hunting for meanies to scold and chastise to no effect at all. Other than the hilarity involved in watching them get more and more exasperated as everybody with an ounce of individualism told them to go pound sand or, at the very least, flush it out of their va-jay-jays.
Last week, Tim O’Reilly, a conference promoter and book publisher who is credited with coining the term Web 2.0, began working with Jimmy Wales, creator of the communal online encyclopedia Wikipedia, to create a set of guidelines to shape online discussion and debate.
Please get it done as quickly as possible. We’ll make a point of violating every single one of your guidelines systematically and repeatedly, just to let you know how much we don’t care for yourselves imposing your personal values on something that isn’t yours, never will be yours, and quite frankly doesn’t give two shits if you live or die.
Chief among the recommendations is that bloggers consider banning anonymous comments left by visitors to their pages and be able to delete threatening or libelous comments without facing cries of censorship.
Are you saying that we can’t ban idiot commenters as we bloody well please now? That’s news to us. Please explain this to us in the comments so that we may promptly demonstrate our banning powers to you. Or are you suggesting that we’re all cringing in the corner, deadly afraid to ban an utter loon because he might call it “censorship?” But you’ll change all of that, right? Not only will your new guidelines grant us the mythical power to ban, they will also ensure that the trolls we ban will be unable to whine about “censorship” for all time? Amazing.
Oh, and what exactly IS your definition of an “anonymous commenter” anyway and, more importantly, how do you propose verifying that the identity somebody posts under actually belongs to him?
A recent outbreak of antagonism among several prominent bloggers “gives us an opportunity to change the level of expectations that people have about what’s acceptable online,” said Mr. O’Reilly, who posted the preliminary recommendations last week on his company blog (radar.oreilly.com). Mr. Wales then put the proposed guidelines on his company’s site (blogging.wikia.com), and is now soliciting comments in the hope of creating consensus around what constitutes civil behavior online.
We don’t need nor want your retarded “consensus-based guidelines”, we already have guidelines that work very well for us, thankyouverymuchly, but if all of you Net-Nanny control freaks get off fantasizing about all the rules you’re going to pretend to impose on everybody, by all means whack your pudenda to bits in orgasmic frenzy.
Mr. O’Reilly and Mr. Wales talk about creating several sets of guidelines for conduct and seals of approval represented by logos. For example, anonymous writing might be acceptable in one set; in another, it would be discouraged. Under a third set of guidelines, bloggers would pledge to get a second source for any gossip or breaking news they write about.
And then we can all plaster our blogs with a consensus-approved logo designed by a bunch of anally retentive nerds, thus signaling to the world that we never have been, nor have any intentions of ever getting laid. Thanks, but no thanks.
Bloggers could then pick a set of principles and post the corresponding badge on their page, to indicate to readers what kind of behavior and dialogue they will engage in and tolerate. The whole system would be voluntary, relying on the community to police itself.
Pardon us, but we were under the impression that we already were policing ourselves. The problem seems to be that the policing doesn’t meet with your superior approval. Ain’t that a bitch?
“If it’s a carefully constructed set of principles, it could carry a lot of weight even if not everyone agrees,” Mr. Wales said.
Among other anally retentive control freaks, yes. And then you can all sit around and admire each other’s badges and logos and decoder rings while the rest of us laugh our arses off. We’re beginning to like this idea, but that’s only because we love freak shows. It’s great material for endless mockery.
The code of conduct already has some early supporters, including David Weinberger, a well-known blogger (hyperorg.com/blogger) and a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at Harvard Law School. “The aim of the code is not to homogenize the Web, but to make clearer the informal rules that are already in place anyway,” he said.
David who? Sorry, but who are you again, Mr. “Well-Known Blogger?” Somehow, we’re getting the impression that “making informal rules that are already in place anyway clearer” has less to do with actually achieving something than it has with you trying to finally merit the “well-known blogger” moniker for which you lust so badly.
But as with every other electrically charged topic on the Web, finding common ground will be a serious challenge. Some online writers wonder how anyone could persuade even a fraction of the millions of bloggers to embrace one set of standards. Others say that the code smacks of restrictions on free speech.
Limiting free speech is a restriction on same? Somebody give that man a Kewpie Doll.
Mr. Wales and Mr. O’Reilly were inspired to act after a firestorm erupted late last month in the insular community of dedicated technology bloggers. In an online shouting match that was widely reported, Kathy Sierra, a high-tech book author from Boulder County, Colo., and a friend of Mr. O’Reilly, reported getting death threats that stemmed in part from a dispute over whether it was acceptable to delete the impolitic comments left by visitors to someone’s personal Web site.
And your badges, logos and guidelines are going to stop morons from throwing death threats around? Wow. We can’t wait to see that happening.
As many female bloggers can attest, women are often targets. Heather Armstrong, a blogger in Salt Lake City who writes publicly about her family (dooce.com), stopped accepting unmoderated comments on her blog two years ago after she found that conversations among visitors consistently devolved into vitriol.
Good for her. But how on Earth did she manage to do that without the help of Web 2.0 and their Magic Multi-Colored Logos of Civility (+5 against death threats)?
Since last October, she has also had to deal with an anonymous blogger who maintains a separate site that parodies her writing and has included photos of Ms. Armstrong’s daughter, copied from her site.
Ms. Armstrong tries not to give the site public attention, but concedes that, “At first, it was really difficult to deal with.”
Have you heard about this modern invention called “law enforcement?” If your anonymous stalker is truly threatening, we not only suggest, we would highly encourage you to get them involved because, quite frankly, no amount of badges and logos on your website is going to scare off a determined psycho. A couple of loads of buckshot, on the other hand…
The preliminary recommendations posted by Mr. Wales and Mr. O’Reilly are based in part on a code developed by BlogHer, a network for women designed to give them blogging tools and to guide readers to their pages.
“Any community that does not make it clear what they are doing, why they are doing it, and who is welcome to join the conversation is at risk of finding it difficult to help guide the conversation later,” said Lisa Stone, who created the guidelines and the BlogHer network in 2006 with Elisa Camahort and Jory Des Jardins.
A subtext of both sets of rules is that bloggers are responsible for everything that appears on their own pages, including comments left by visitors.
Sorry, pals, but the courts say otherwise. Don’t get us wrong, if we’re alerted to a particularly nasty and vile comment, we don’t have a problem getting rid of it, not at all, but we’ll be damned if we’ll be responsible for every byte of blather posted in our comments by a drive-by troll and, again, the courts have agreed with that stance on more than one occasion. Unless you’re volunteering for the job of meticulously going through ever word ever posted to our comments, that is. For free.
They say that bloggers should also have the right to delete such comments if they find them profane or abusive.
You’re saying that we don’t have the “right” to delete any damn thing that we please on our own farkin’ sites ALREADY? Damn, that’s news to us.
That may sound obvious, but many Internet veterans believe that blogs are part of a larger public sphere, and that deleting a visitor’s comment amounts to an assault on their right to free speech.
And those “many Internet veterans” are herewith cordially invited to go pound sand, piss up a rope, cry us a river and talk to the hand, because we don’t give a somersaulting shit what they “believe”, particularly not when they’re exercising their free speech “rights” on OUR property.
It is too early to gauge support for the proposal, but some online commentators are resisting.
Go whine on your own blogs then, fuckheads.
Mr. O’Reilly said the guidelines were not about censorship. “That is one of the mistakes a lot of people make — believing that uncensored speech is the most free, when in fact, managed civil dialogue is actually the freer speech,” he said. “Free speech is enhanced by civility.”
“Managed dialogue is the freer speech?”
Oh yes. And war is peace, ignorance is wisdom and weakness is strength. And we’ve always been at war with Oceania.
Now go have fun with your circle-jerk and let us know when you’re done, because we have a feeling that the opportunities for mockery will be positively endless.
AnalWarT.

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Poetry. Sheer poetry.
April 10th, 2007 at 10:47 PMUsing
Bwhahahahaha…. Under those guidelines, we would never hear about Diane Fienstien’s husband making BILLIONS from MilCom, the Congressional Committee she CHAIRED!
‘Cause everyone knows how The New York Slimes would never pass up a story that huge. Come to think of it, where did I see that in the MSM?
After five years of bashing the president, these contortionists want us to believe they are for a “new tone”.
They can go fuck their treasonous selves.
Rope. Tree. 10 Minute Fair Trial. “Journalist”.
You know the drill.
April 10th, 2007 at 11:16 PMUsing
Boo!
Bwhahahahahaha!
April 10th, 2007 at 11:26 PMUsing
Uh, what blogger in their right mind would post a picture of their child on a blog page? Libriot!
And Misha, you owe my boss a new computer. We need a badge attesting to spray alerts. This is all too funny and too sad at the same time.
Managed by whom you moron? Beejeebus, somebody call the thought police please. Try to manage my speech and you can come pick .45″ wadcutters out of your teeth.
Idiots
April 10th, 2007 at 11:55 PMUsing
Thanks for the link. I just knew you could run this one through the ringer, and you did not disappoint. No one can do it like the Emperor can. No one.
I love the bit where O’Cryley says he feels like he’s in Iran, just before informing us that uncensored speech is less free.
You will be shocked, but by his standard, Iran has much freer speech than we do.
I think BC or someone with some ’shop skills needs to make up a badge. Something along the lines of, “Warning! Due to unrestricted, unfettered, vulgar, and sarcastic commentary, this blog contains double plus unfree speech.”
April 10th, 2007 at 11:59 PMUsing
One more thing…
That. Was. Awesome.
Fit for framing!
April 11th, 2007 at 12:01 AMUsing
Thank you, thank you, thankyouverymuch :cool1_tb:
And thanks for the tip, LC FIAR, I had so much fun with this one that it ought to be illegal and, in the wet dreams of those cyber nanny wannabes, it soon will be.
Ha. If I had a buck for every time we drove one of those nitwits to tears when they tried moderating unmoderated public newsgroups, my *shit* would be gold plated but hey, if they want an encore in the blogosphere, I’m all for it.
Meow.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:23 AMUsing
Well, I suppose if it’s going to be outlawed, then it’s time to turn it up another notch and give these faggots even more reason for “considering giving up blogging altogether.” And shitting themselves, and pissing themselves… :lol_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 12:41 AMUsing
The proof will be in the pudding- I want to see who DOES agree.
:exclaim_wp: Sire, you would do the ‘Net a service pointing these skidmarks to the appropriate page.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:47 AMUsing
What’s up with the “Digg this” nonesense? I thought we weren’t playing in that particular sandbox?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:07 AMUsing
I was just at Mr O’Reilly’s site. If the comments I saw were a sample of the rest of what he is hearing. Then the next time he goes in for a colonoscopy the poor Doctor isn’t going to need any lube, just a 2X4 to keep from falling in.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:24 AMUsing
You mean this one?
The Empire that preceded this one, the one that is ruled by Teh Almighty Fluffy. The bane of control freak cyber nannies everywhere, the most holy word of which is… Meow.
???
April 11th, 2007 at 2:32 AMUsing
Agreed. In spades. Do have a read-through of the comments on Senor O’Reilly’s miserable excuse for a site, though. Absofuckinglutely priceless material. I ain’t laughed that hard since the last time Lewis Black was in town.
Who the fuck do these self-appointed professors of superior moral authority think they are?! Obviously, they think they’re better than the rest of us low-life scum, crawling around in the sewers with our colorful invective.
It was fuckheads like this that created prohibition (which turned out really well, no?), and don’t ever forget it.
I think what makes the internet truly remarkable is that we do have the ability here to say what we think and what we feel, without having to censor language in the name of social convention. Anybody that can’t handle invective has no place getting involved in any sort of debate or exchange of ideas whatsoever, IMHO. We ain’t a polite species. Deal with it.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:41 AMUsing
Here’s a badge that might work. (Apologies to Bill Griffith for not being as witty as he could have been with some kind of ‘Zippy-ism’)

April 11th, 2007 at 3:27 AMUsing
Guess we’ll draw up a ‘free speech zone” “no badge” badge.
April 11th, 2007 at 4:00 AMUsing
Pardon Me but, I have to go heave my guts out.
I thought the innertubes were the last Bastion of Free Speech
Take your Rules and put them where the Sun never shines. Prefferably as violently as possible.
Of course that is just my $0.02 worth. :guns_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 4:23 AMUsing
Bring it you self important nannys! If laughter is the best medicine, then these stooges will be a veritable drug mine.
April 11th, 2007 at 5:52 AMUsing
It’s in our best interests for a group of our self-appointed betters to ‘adjust’ what we can and can’t say! How could you not see how obvious that is.
I mean, without someone to moderate our speech, how would we ever be able to keep track of all the scary, dangerous things we shouldn’t believe in. You know, the ones like deciding for ourselves where we stand on an issue, people disagreeing with the ‘common concensus’ and the worst horror of all, people’s feelings being hurt!
I’m pretty sure we have procedures for people like this, but I suggest in the spirit of their meddling we use either Cat5 or optical cable for their rope party. I know I sound like someones grandfather, but fuck these Commie bastards.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:04 AMUsing
:lol_tb:
Already brightened an otherwise dreary morning. This entire entry is just priceless. The temerity of these fools! I’d be tempted to create a blog to terrorize these nosy jackasses, but after they read this site I’d basically be poking a corpse with a stick.
+5 against death threats… :laughing_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 7:46 AMUsing
It’s a simple solution: if you don’t like the venom being spewed at a certain site..DON’T GO.
I would really rather not wade in the cesspools known as KOS and DU, but they have the right to be cretins if they want.
April 11th, 2007 at 8:45 AMUsing
Yes. Say, isn’t the guy who owns ‘G-dhatesjanks!’ a buddy of yours? You had a story about him, but that was lost in the ‘Cataclysmic Disaster of ‘06′.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:02 AMUsing
Damn it Misha!
Now I have to clean up the keyboard again!
“And those “many Internet veterans” are herewith cordially invited to go pound sand, piss up a rope, cry us a river and talk to the hand, because we don’t give a somersaulting shit what they “believe”, particularly not when they’re exercising their free speech “rights” on OUR property“… :lol_tb:
Son of a b!T*H! That was hilarious and you’ve come up with dozens and dozens of gems…
Someone, some wag by the name of, “Special Ed” commented, “Poetry. Sheer poetry” and that’s obviously a fact…
April 11th, 2007 at 9:05 AMUsing
No, of course not. :lol_wp:Analwart indeed! Don’t these pathetic souls have anything else to do with their miserable lives except to make “rules of civility” for the rest of us? We must be careful of what we write, say, and how we look at someone, lest some little schoolgirl runs crying to her mommy that her feewings were hurt. Anyway, what gives anyone the right to expect to be able to go through life never being offended. I. Am. So. Bloody-Fucking. Sick. of. This. crap. :furious_tb: :wallbash_tb: :yell_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 9:20 AMUsing
Greets, peeps! I’ve been a lurker for several months but decided it was time to come out of that closet and voice my opinion on this insane BS. Are they now trying to feminize the internet with all of this touchy-feely crap? How are they going to apply this stupidity to the Haji’s and their terrorist blogs? No, wait….nevermind. I’m an idiot. Of course, censorship only applies to conservatives. :guns_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 9:29 AMUsing
#15-It worked, Yochanan. I just cut and pasted. And a good one is too!
April 11th, 2007 at 9:29 AMUsing
Oops, I meant #14 - with Zippy.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:30 AMUsing
How about they look at this badge
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/hotjack/freelace/unc41.jpg
April 11th, 2007 at 9:39 AMUsing
Mheh! I tried Mr. O’Reilly’s site and was not able to access the web page. Wonder what happened! :lol_tb: :lol_wp:
April 11th, 2007 at 9:41 AMUsing
They are inviting discussion of their non-sense here.
I think we should let them know what we think of this.
If you have a blog, do consider not posting anonymously … unless you want to gig them for fearing anonymity.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:55 AMUsing
This link goes directly to “add a new section”.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:56 AMUsing
I like to think so, yes. One of the funniest guys you’re ever likely to run into.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:38 AMUsing
“Managed dialogue is the freer speech?”
Priceless!
April 11th, 2007 at 11:43 AMUsing
A masterful fisking, indeed, Sire!
Like yours, my walls are always open to scribble upon, but I do reserve the right to repaint anytime I damn well feel like it.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:59 PMUsing
[…] doesn’t think so. Neither does Misha, nor Kim du Toit. And that goes for me, […]
April 11th, 2007 at 2:10 PMUsing
Now the fucking clown(s) are talking about lawyers and legalities!
I hope it is made into some kind of fucked up law/rule, I’ll break it every chance I get, ’cause at least then when the law comes to arrest me (or whatever the fuck they think should happen), I’ll get to *finally* see my tax dollars working for *ME*.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:28 PMUsing
Oh, and thanks, cheryl, for the fix.
April 11th, 2007 at 2:31 PMUsing
I posted this on O’Crylie’s site:
Anyone who’s going to let the trolls intimidate them should either not blog, or not have open comments. It really is just that simple.
While it may concern you, it’s still entirely true. Psycho internet stalkers don’t give a crap about what the “code” says.
But wait, I thought you were just trying to give bloggers mechanisms for implementing their own policies and not trying to impose your values on anyone. That’s what you said. I read it. Don’t accuse me of not having read your laboriously over-wordy diatribe on how other people should adopt your values.
If your goal is to direct newbs to plugins that can show/hide based on community moderation, that’s fine. If you want to implement a certain policy here, on your site - More power to you.
Is it really that everyone so misconstrued your purpose? Is it really that your goal is just so entirely redundant as to be laughable? There already ARE mechanisms for moderation. Blog owners already HAVE the right to delete or edit comments. Death threats and libel already ARE illegal. So what’s the point then?
The point can only be, “I’m trying to change the general perception of what’s OK.” The point can only be “Free speech is enhanced by civility.”
By your definition, my site is Double Plus Unfree™ then, since my very own posts, right on the front page lack civility and are often INTENDED to offend.
You can blather on all you want about what your goal is, but don’t insult my intelligence by insinuating your goal has nothing to do with imposing YOUR values on sites that DON’T belong to you.
April 11th, 2007 at 5:18 PMUsing
Beautiful, LC FIAR, just frackin’ beautiful!
:clap_tb:
April 11th, 2007 at 5:36 PMUsing
Besides, you have to be a pirate for The Code to apply, and The Code is more what you’d call ‘guidelines’.
April 11th, 2007 at 6:04 PMUsing
Why, thank you. :biggrin_wp:
April 11th, 2007 at 6:40 PMUsing
Hmmm… I wonder if these wankers have ever heard “Your right to wave your fist ends where my nose begins”?
Or maybe it would be better put to say, “You have the right to say whatever you want, no matter how stupid it may be, but I have the right to not listen to you.”
April 11th, 2007 at 6:46 PMUsing
Actually, there are those bloggers who have no trouble doing so. Me, for example.
April 11th, 2007 at 7:12 PMUsing
Certified Double Plus Unfree™…
The Enlightened and Exalted Eminent Emancipator and Supreme Benevolent Benefactor of Cordial Considerate Civil Citizenship Most High™, For whom we are all most unworthy, has declared in his infinite wisdom that “Free speech is enhanced by civility,…
April 11th, 2007 at 8:05 PMUsing
Awww… did someone hurt this poor fella’s feewings?
Did someone say something bad about him on the Blogosphere? Awwwwwwwwgetafuckin’life.
Don’tcha just LOVE it when a Dhimmi gets insulted? It’s as amusing as watching a chicken run around with it’s head cut off. Yes, folks. CHICKEN WITH IT’S HEAD CUT OFF. I eat chicken that I’ve seen slaughtered. Yah it ain’t pretty, but chicken is mighty tasty and it’s worth the wait. Plus, with the way the carcass moves after the headchop, it’s dinner *and* a show!
Oh yeah, rambling, sorry. Anyway, these guys think it’s fine to dish out whatever they please about anyone else. It’s the first amendment right after all. But if someone has the AUDACITY to insult them or negatively comment on them, then suddenly they need to whip out controls, moderation and ‘codes of conduct’.
Pfeh. Like they’d actually follow their own codes once they’re in place.
The net is not a ‘civil’ place. It’s not supposed to be. It’s a mass of communication, and in some communication, there’s gonna be someone with something nasty to say about you.
Get friggen used to it, you Dhimmicrat nancy boys.
April 11th, 2007 at 10:50 PMUsing
Bloggers, By And Large, Are Responsible…
I know what my problem is. It’s that there isn’t anybody, or any group of people, that I really hate. (Well, other than terrorists trying to kill me, the people I love, and other innocent people for absolutely insane reasons.)…
April 14th, 2007 at 10:55 PMUsing