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Since it’s a slow news day (and, nowadays, that’s a Good Thing), His Imperial Majesty will just piss and moan a bit about the weather. Hey, when all else fails… The level of complaints about the weather is a good general indicator of the peacefulness of a society, just look at history. You won’t find many records of Cato the Elder yammering about droughts, for instance. He was too busy agitating in favor of urban renewal projects in Carthage. Nor will you find too many long-winded screeds about excessive rainfall in the writings of Winston Churchill who, at the time, was somewhat preoccupied with the explosive precipitation over London, courtesy of the Luftwaffe.

At this point, we’d like to know if maybe the Gorebeciles could find it in themselves to send some of the Global Wormening our way. At the time of writing, the temperature outside is 45 degrees. In Texas. In the middle of April. To be sure, once the statisticians are done massaging the numbers, they’ll be telling us that April of 2007 was the hottest April since the firebombing of Hamburg in 1942, but we all know what they say about statistics, right?

It’s like the endless complaints about “not enough rainfall.” Yes, rain is a Good Thing, particularly when you’re occupying the same latitudes as His Imperial Majesty, but throughout the years, no matter how much rain we’ve gotten, even when whole neighborhoods have been turned into lakes by the wet stuff, it’s always the same song on the TV: “We didn’t get enough” or “we didn’t get as much as we usually do”, which leads us to suspect that their baseline is the Great Flood. We can hear it now:

“Much needed rainfall ends after a mere 40 days and 40 nights. Women, minorities hardest hit by driest season in history.”

Oh, and then there are the twisters. Now, we’re not going to complain about those, we’re used to them down here. They’re just a fact of life, just as earthquakes are in California. Don’t like ‘em? Leave. Last night we had one passing through and it left a lot of damage in its wake, along with two dead which, all things considered, isn’t all that bad for a super cell hitting a metroplex. Cold comfort for the families of the two who died, we know, and our prayers go out to them, but in the grand scheme of things it could’ve been a lot worse.

What we will bitch about is the morons operating the severe weather sirens. Put it bluntly: They’re more useless than teats on a bull. True to form, they went off all over the place last night, AFTER the storm had passed, when it was nothing but a bad memory and a slight drizzle, just like every fucking time in the past.

Not that it matters all that much to us locals. We know when Bad Shit is about to happen. The sky gets a funky color which is hard to describe if you haven’t ever seen it, but all of you fellow Southerners know what we mean. The light is “off”, the clouds look “not right”, the wind is “wrong” or absent when it should’ve been there, the air doesn’t feel “right”… All of this tells you, if you live here, that this isn’t just one of the thunderstorms that we get all the time. So it’s not that we need the sirens to tell us that Bad Shit is about to happen. We’re inside with the Doppler on a continuous feed and shelter and emergency lighting all ready to go before the NOAA has even noticed that anything out of the ordinary is afoot.

So what good, exactly, are the damn sirens, other than an excuse to waste tax payer funds? Obviously, they might warn people who aren’t used to our peculiar weather patterns. Tourists, business travelers spring to mind. But how are they helped by sirens that never, ever go off before a storm? All that they do is to annoy the shit out of us locals while informing everybody that hey, a storm just passed through. In case the roofs, cars and livestock flying through the air failed to alert you to the fact.

“Gee willikers, you just survived a super cell, just wanted to let you know in case the fact that you’re still breathing eluded you.”

Morons.

So in case you’re visiting our beautiful state, the sound of sirens means that you have nothing left to worry about, because the fuckheads operating the “on” switch wouldn’t dream of letting you know while the information might actually be useful to you. It’s like an “all clear” without the benefit of a “take shelter” warning. Of course, if you’re hearing the “all clear”, you most likely don’t care since it’s all over. Look to the locals instead. If they’re getting off the streets, ask them why. If you think that the weather looks like it’s about to get bad, ask them what they think. Because waiting for the severe weather sirens to go off isn’t going to help you one little bit. They’ll only tell you that it’s over which you’ll already know. You’re still breathing, after all.

Oh, and another piece of advice to tourists: Don’t, for the love of G-d, walk around outside at noon in the middle of summer. Unless you want to provide entertainment for normal people sitting inside, drinking cold beer while taking bets on how long it will take for you to pass out. If we’re not out there, you shouldn’t be either.

“Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.”

Come inside and have a cold one instead. It’s on us.

111 Responses to “Life in Texas”
  1. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    There’s strange stuff happening everywhere. I’m guessing this is not your typical Florida weather forecast.

  2. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I’m guessing this is not your typical Florida weather forecast.

    Embrace Teh Ghey!

  3. Useful Idiot Comment by Useful Idiot

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    Cock Roach :lol_tb:

  4. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    Punxsutawney Phil sais it was gonna be an early Spring. I think Gore paid him off.

    Groundhog stew - who’s with me?

  5. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    …which leads us to suspect that their baseline is the Great Flood.

    Sire: You must understand the royal button-pusher of the postdiluvian siren is a democrat. Thus, he often mistakes deluded with deluged.

    I know, I know, it’s delusional.

  6. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    The light is “off”, the clouds look “not right”, the wind is “wrong” or absent when it should’ve been there, the air doesn’t feel “right”…

    There’s a line in the movie “Twister” where Bill Paxton is looking at the sky and he says “Goin Green”.

    That’s exactly what it looks like when the shit is about to hit the fan. The clouds go a sick purple/Green color. I’ve seen it many, many times.
    We had a friend from Pennsylvania visiting our family one Spring and of course we had bad weather one day. She looked up and said “That’s the oddest looking sky I have ever seen. Looks like it’s going to come a downpour.” My Dad looked up and saw those green clouds…and instantly made everyone haul ass into the house. Within 30 minutes two tornadoes touched down within 5 miles of where we were.

    Don’t, for the love of G-d, walk around outside at noon in the middle of summer.

    Yep. That’s an extremely good way to make sure you end up in the ER with heat exhaustion or heat stroke. Here in Louisiana, if you want to go out and enjoy the sites, shop, have friends over, you make sure you are indoors with AC or you do it after 5 pm. Any time before that and you’re gonna cook.

  7. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Yep!
    When in Rome…
    However, following the lead of the locals is not always the best idea as you will see.
    A guy I worked with years ago had a friend up from down south. They went up to put in some time at the lake and fish. They had been catching bass and to get those boys off the hook you stick your thumb in their mouth and hold ‘em by the bottom lip. The visitor took to that just fine and they were having a great time until a northern jumped on the southerners line. He fought it awhile and got it up to the boat. Before my co-worker could stop him he stuck his thumb in that prehistoric bastards mouth and the fish clamped down. It is not the easiest thing to get a northerns mouth open under the best of conditions. They are slippery and flop around like mad. His friends hand was shredded, they cut their funtime at the lake short and had to go to the hospital for repair work. On a side note I’ve had more than one steel leader cut by a northern. I know, that had nothing to do with the weather in Texas but it is indeed a slow news day.

  8. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    The Emperor sez:

    So what good, exactly, are the damn sirens, other than an excuse to waste tax payer funds?

    They’re used to warn the terminally ignorant…those too stooopid to get out of the way of a killer storm….you know, like the relocated “Katrina victims” who are still polluting your neck of the woods.

  9. Unregistered Comment by Lord Daealdric

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    We native Floridians learned how to deal with the heat a long time ago:

    Avoid it like the plague!

  10. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Glad to hear you and your’n got through okay. When I heard it on the news my first thoughts were of those I now consider friends living in the area.

    One of the advantages of earthquakes, is there’s no time to worry about it coming, it just hits, there’s 5 seconds to around a minute of “OH, damn is this the big one?”, then it’s over and you deal with the aftermath. An added benefit is they only occur every ten years or so in a given area, and not annually.

    Personally, being not totally color blind, but color deprived, including green, is this something I should worry when I relocate to the Great State of Texas?

    I’ve lived in Phoenix, so I know if you have to park at the far side of a parking lot at 1:30 in the afternoon, whatever you are there for had be damn important for you to walk across melting asphalt or let common sense rule and just come back later. It’s worth the gas for another trip.

  11. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    I know, that had nothing to do with the weather in Texas but it is indeed a slow news day.

    Are you kidding? How about this?

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Now Chicago takes on the rest of the world. The Windy City’s bid to hold a Summer Games for the first time moved to the international stage Saturday when the U.S. Olympic Committee capped a yearlong search for an American candidate for 2016 by picking Chicago over two-time host Los Angeles.

    Wahoooo! My taxes are going up again! Wahooo!

    (Oh, and just for your edification, it’s called the Windy City because of the politicians not the weather.)

  12. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Damn…you had to mention rain. Yup, it’s rainin’ here in central Kal…chilly too. Naturally tomorrow when I have to work it will be clear and sunny. S’pose the only bright point in this is I don’t have to mow the lawn or wash the cars. You did bring back some memories talking about those clouds though…I remember back when I lived in Kentucky…I saw a few of those and remember the uprooted trees. Big, three foot thick oaks yanked outta’ the ground like a weed. You remember that. I have tried telling people out here unfamiliar with such extremes that weather does exist when you couldn’t pay me to walk across the street to a neighbors hourse for a hundred bucks. All I would have gotten is bar b qued or blown away. You remember that.

  13. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    So what good, exactly, are the damn sirens, other than an excuse to waste tax payer funds?

    Sorry, Sire, but, have to quibble with you on that one.

    For one thing, In A Perfect World™, the sirens should give the predicted neighborhoods about five minutes warning. In a state with predictable wind patterns, the sirens usually give about three minutes warning, but, sometimes, as much as 45 minutes warning. The late timing of the sirens in Dallas/Fort Worth has a lot more to do with the fucked up wind patterns than any real inefficiency on the part of the Weather Bureau. Citizens get REAL mad when the sirens go off for no reason, so, the Weather Bureau tries to only sound the sirens for neighborhoods in the path of the storm, predicted by the prevailing wind at the time. In a state like, say…Wisconsin, where the winds come from the west pretty much every single day, that’s not too hard. In a city like Dallas/Fort Worth, that can be next to impossible, since it’s not unusual for winds to be coming from all four points of the compass. YOU try to predict the path of a storm when it can, very literally, make a 180 degree turn in less than five minutes. So, no, the sirens aren’t useless, nor are they a waste. They’re a last-ditch effort to try and save lives. They’re trying their best. Would you rather they not try at all?

    Oh, and another piece of advice to tourists: Don’t, for the love of G-d, walk around outside at noon in the middle of summer. Unless you want to provide entertainment for normal people sitting inside, drinking cold beer while taking bets on how long it will take for you to pass out. If we’re not out there, you shouldn’t be either.

    Your garbage man is out in that weather. He doesn’t have a choice, nor does he have air-conditioning. He’s also out there, without heat, when it’s 20 below. He’s also out there when it’s raining, snowing, hailing, icing, sleeting, wind blowing, or just plain miserable. He doesn’t have a choice. He also has to pick up your disgusting pile of garbage, trash, half-eaten food, fermenting fruit, rotting meat, and piles of lumber, yard waste, grass, and anything else you decide to just fling willy-nilly across your lawn for him to pick up, in those conditions.

    Remember that, the next time you want to bitch about how ‘poor’ of a job they do, or how ‘lazy’ they are for not cleaning up your yard after the mess you left.

    Police officers, firefighters (and fire-starters, too…), and mailmen all have to do the same things. Just keep that in mind the next time you want to complain about how they do their jobs. YOU get to be inside in the air conditioning. They don’t.

  14. Unregistered Comment by hawkeyesrock

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    Life in Texas…His Imperial Majesty will just piss and moan a bit about the weather.

    Can I get an, “Amen!”? Here in Aggieland, things have been up and down. Easter weekend, snow/sleet. Yesterday I was in a t-shirt, shorts and sandals and this morning I wore my winter coat to my son’s t-ball game. The wind was blowing so hard out at the ball field, I saw a lady’s wig get blown down over her face.

    Having said that, it’s supposed to be sunny and in the 70s tomorrow.

    Gotta love it…

  15. Unregistered Comment by golom007

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    so much for global warming

  16. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    The late timing of the sirens in Dallas/Fort Worth has a lot more to do with the fucked up wind patterns than any real inefficiency on the part of the Weather Bureau. Citizens get REAL mad when the sirens go off for no reason, so, the Weather Bureau tries to only sound the sirens for neighborhoods in the path of the storm, predicted by the prevailing wind at the time.

    Horse hockey. In all of the years, in DFW and outside, I have not once heard the pretty sirens go off before a storm hit. Not once.

    But somehow, mysteriously, magically, the weathermen on TV manage to predict them well ahead of time pretty much every single time. I guess that it’s because the dumb fucks operating the siren switches haven’t yet figured out how to turn on the TV or how to interpret a Doppler echo.

    At any rate, whether it’s because they don’t want to sound a “false alarm” or not, what’s the bloody purpose in sounding it when it’s all over? Again: Not once, not ONCE have I heard a siren followed by anything even remotely resembling severe weather. It invariably means “hey, y’all. Something bad just passed through if’n y’all didn’t notice that the roof is missing.”

  17. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Anyone remember April 3, 1974?

    Part 1

    Part 2

    Part 3

    Huntsville Alabama got it’s ass kicked that day. We lived five miles across the Tennessee River from Redstone Arsenal. We had several twisters touch down in our area, with a great deal of damage, but only a couple of deaths. We stayed up all night long after the power went out listening to the radio. I never want to see another day like that one again.

    And to show you just how things have changed, we cleaned up, picked up, built back and carried on without FEMA, Ray Nagin or the Feds telling us what to do or how to do it. Not just in our area, but all over the country that got hit.

  18. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Personally, being not totally color blind, but color deprived, including green, is this something I should worry when I relocate to the Great State of Texas?

    Not knowing what the color green looks like to you, I can’t say for sure, but I don’t think so. The whole sky just looks “off” and, no matter what “off” looks like to you, you’ll learn to recognize it right quick.

    It took me exactly one time to learn.

  19. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Not knowing what the color green looks like to you, I can’t say for sure, but I don’t think so. The whole sky just looks “off” and, no matter what “off” looks like to you, you’ll learn to recognize it right quick.

    Just imagine what Guacamole looks like after sitting uncovered in the fridge for two weeks.

  20. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Just imagine what Guacamole looks like after sitting uncovered in the fridge for two weeks.

    I was single once, I don’t have to imagine. :wacko_tb:

  21. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Horse hockey. In all of the years, in DFW and outside, I have not once heard the pretty sirens go off before a storm hit. Not once.

    But somehow, mysteriously, magically, the weathermen on TV manage to predict them well ahead of time pretty much every single time. I guess that it’s because the dumb fucks operating the siren switches haven’t yet figured out how to turn on the TV or how to interpret a Doppler echo.

    At any rate, whether it’s because they don’t want to sound a “false alarm” or not, what’s the bloody purpose in sounding it when it’s all over? Again: Not once, not ONCE have I heard a siren followed by anything even remotely resembling severe weather. It invariably means “hey, y’all. Something bad just passed through if’n y’all didn’t notice that the roof is missing.”

    Horse hockey back atcha.

    When I lived in WI, there were numerous complaints about tornado sirens sounding when the tornado wasn’t going near the warned neighborhood. In addition, there were complaints about the sirens not providing enough warning (less than a minute, and, in one high-profile instance, as the tornado was touching down). WI gets tornadoes just like TX, we just didn’t snivel about it. (just like when the weather is ‘inhumanely cold’ in Chicago, it’s usually about 10 degrees COLDER in southern WI…we just didn’t snivel about it) If a bunch of beer swillin’ cowherds in WI can figure it out, why can’t they do it in TX, as well? Again, because of the winds.

    Once again, in states with predictable wind patterns (the upper Midwest has ‘predominately’ westerly winds…meaning, I can count on one hand the number of days the wind didn’t come out of the west in the 20 years I lived there), predicting the path of a tornado is fairly easy. You know it’s going to head somewhere in the direction that the wind is pushing it. (in the WI example, the tornado pattern will move from the west to the east). The D/FW Metroplex has notoriously weird winds. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR THE WINDS TO BE COMING FROM ALL POINTS OF THE COMPASS AT THE SAME TIME! Since meteorology is about 10% prediction, and about 90% pure guess work, predicting what neighborhoods will be in the path of the storm falls into the ‘pure guess work’ part of the equation.

    When I lived in WI, I only recall TWO storms where the sirens went off during or after the tornado. TWO. Every other time, there was usually a warning. Now, granted, many of those warnings were less than a minute, but, I very easily recall several sirens that went off over an hour BEFORE the tornadoes touched down. Once again, it has to do with fairly predictable wind patterns in WI. D/FW doesn’t have those.

    If you absolutely must ascribe the differences to something, call it a ‘uniformity attack’ on the part of the Weather Bureau. Ignorant city folk in other states complain about sirens going off for ‘no reason’, so, the Weather Bureau passes a regulation that ONLY directly affected neighborhoods can be warned. Seriously. It’s something that stupid. Because blowhards in NYC and Chicago complain about sirens interrupting their beauty sleep, people in D/FW can’t be warned that a tornado just *might* be in the area.

    It’s because of a well-intentioned, but, stupid regulation at the Weather Bureau.

  22. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Ignorant city folk in other states complain about sirens going off for ‘no reason’, so, the Weather Bureau passes a regulation that ONLY directly affected neighborhoods can be warned.

    In Decatur, Alabama (just South West of Huntsville) we had a damn good warning system. It was “tested” every second Monday at 9 am. I was working in a church daycare. Those Mondays were our “Tornado Drill” days. No matter what we were doing at 9 am, when that siren sounded we grabbed the kids (I was in the Toddler Room) and we went to the Baby Nursery next to us which had no windows. All the other kids went to various windowless rooms or the inner hall ways. If the weather was cloudy or bad that day, the sirens stayed off unless it was an actual emergency. One particular day in March we had some bad ass weather that was similar to what we went through on April 3rd. We huddled up in our drill rooms for over 5 hours. We wouldn’t even let parents leave with their children when they came to pick them up. We made them stay in the building. There were at least four tornadoes and a hell of alot of wind and hail damage.

    Here where we are now…the only sirens that you hear are the ones on Barksdale AFB…and those seldom sound for bad weather. They are quite fond of cutting loose at 4 am when they toss an exercise at the troops though.

    Geeez! Can you tell I’m bored tonight??

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    Devildog:
    I find your comments regarding the DFW-specific weather issues educating and I appreciate your input. Nevertheless, it sounds as though the sirens in DFW are fairly worthless (Misha’s main point)–though perhaps not due to incompetence (Misha’s reasoning) but, rather, due to the extreme unpredictability of DFW weather patterns.

    So, no, the sirens aren’t useless, nor are they a waste. They’re a last-ditch effort to try and save lives. They’re trying their best. Would you rather they not try at all?

    In the specific case of DFW, they sound like a waste of taxpayer money as they, apparently, don’t sound until after a storm has passed. Perhaps the money allocated for the sirens could be better spent on other methods of keeping citizens apprised of adverse weather conditions. (Free weather radios for local residents, maybe?)

  24. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Once again, in states with predictable wind patterns (the upper Midwest has ‘predominately’ westerly winds…meaning, I can count on one hand the number of days the wind didn’t come out of the west in the 20 years I lived there)

    Oh blow me! The wind comes from all directions up here. Yes, even the east although that is rare. SE isn’t uncommon and neither is NE and it blows from the north most of the winter! South and southwest seem to prevail in the summer. And yes, they blow from the west too!

  25. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Hey! Wait a dogone minute, Humble Devildog, I resemble those remarks:

    Because blowhards in… Chicago complain about sirens interrupting their beauty sleep…

    I’ll have you know I haven’t had a beauty sleep in years. But I wouldn’t expect anyone on that side of the Cheddar Curtain to understand, heck the cops ober by dere concider an Illinois plate ‘probable cause’, ya Cheesehead. And that’s no F.I.B.

  26. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Look to the locals instead. If they’re getting off the streets, ask them why. If you think that the weather looks like it’s about to get bad, ask them what they think.

    Reminds me of a story the ol timers here like to tell. Back in 1927 or so Miami and Ft.Lauderdale were boom towns. A LOT of yankees and carpet baggers had moved in. Well a serious blow came in. There was plenty of warning, back then the ships at sea would radio in hurricanes and such. It cut your warning time down from the current week or so down to a day at best, but still enough warning. Besides the ol timers could look at the sky and tell when some thing truly wicked was comin’. So any case, the hurricane blows through Miami/Ft.Lauderdale area and all the yankees and such come out to look at the damage. The locals stayed inside.
    Then the rear wall of the eye hit. If any ya all ever been through a hurricane you know that can be the worst part of the storm. And it was a fast one. Went from beautiful to hell in just a minute or two. A lot of people got themselves killed because they didn’t listen to the locals.

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    Devildog:

    A question regarding my suggestion about weather radios as well as the bureaucratic crapolla inhibiting siren sounding: do the same restrictions you mentioned apply to SAME alerts or may they be issued more liberally?

  28. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I’ll have you know I haven’t had a beauty sleep in years.

    And it shows too Mope! :lol_wp:

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    The answer, my friend, is blowin’ in the wind.
    The answer is blowin’ in the wind.

  30. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    A LOT of yankees and carpet baggers had moved in.

    Yankees? You got a problem wit yankees, Johnny Reb? I can understand your hostility towards Hillary… she’s bagged a few carpets in her time, but yankees?

  31. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Crunchie,

    My grandma used to talk about that 1926 (*grin*) hurricane. Made a second landfall in Northwest Florida.

    Always used it as an example too, when the subject of beach development came up. (”They don’t remember how terrible those hurricanes are.”)

    She was 11 years old at the time, and she and the rest of her family stayed on the top floor of the tallest building in town, a building my great grandfather managed.

    As the storm came ashore, she remembered watching the waves pour over, and flood downtown (which was most of the town at the time).

    The pictures after the storm that I’ve seen, remind me of the 1900 Galveston Hurricane pictures. (mountains of lumber and shocked people…)

    Of course, our little town didn’t get the damage Miami/Ft Lauderdale got, but the older people who grew up there never forgot it.

    Very colorful memories too, as I recall.

  32. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Yankees? You got a problem wit yankees, Johnny Reb?

    The War of Northern Aggression come to mind, as does the Rape of Atlanta :wink_wp:

    I can understand your hostility towards Hillary… she’s bagged a few carpets in her time

    :lol_wp: :clap_tb:

    Thats a classic Mope.

  33. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    It’s because of a well-intentioned, but, stupid regulation at the Weather Bureau.

    You’re most likely right there.

    Well, except for the “well-intentioned” bit. The only intention behind anything that government does is “something that will keep our otherwise unemployable asses in a job where we don’t have to use the skills we don’t have, never had and, given that we’re 97% dumber than kelp, never WILL have.”

  34. Dick Comment by Dick

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    Kelly collected some of the hail and took a pic.
    http://bp2.blogger.com/_eGdLWvX0QJE/RiEob754UAI/AAAAAAAAAJ8/WGWgJtNIgeQ/s1600-h/hail.jpg

    The tornado missed us by a good three to five miles.

  35. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    1926 huh, well I was close lady H. Nice link BTW.

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    I can understand your hostility towards Hillary… she’s bagged a few carpets in her time

    ‘Tis a thing of beauty, Mope.

  37. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    The War of Northern Aggression come to mind

    That the several states who formed that instrument, being sovereign and independent, have the unquestionable right to judge of its infraction; and that a nullification, by those sovereignties, of all unauthorized acts done under colour of that instrument, is the rightful remedy.
    – Thomas Jefferson, 1799

    Let me know when you have ridded the countryside of liberals and I’ll pack my trunk with beer and head South. I’ll even learn to say “Y’all”

    The South will rise again.

  38. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    1926 huh, well I was close lady H. Nice link BTW.

    Thank yee!

    I also think the National Hurricane Center is worth every penny of taxpayer money.

    I think they’ve saved countless number of lives over the years.

    And I hate it when some people are told to evacuate (and those having to close their businesses, especially on the beach!) and then complain and bitch about having to do so when the hurricane veers elsewhere.

    Better to be safe than sorry, and the forecasters are still human and make errors because the damn things (hurricanes) have minds of their own. I know they do their best to warn us, and in this day and age, there is no excuse of “ignorance”, unless it’s willful ignorance.

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    Crunchie
    You gotta admit, if we had Sherman in Iraq in ‘03 it would’ve been over in ‘04. Or Grant, Lee, Jackson or maybe even that Jubel fella, the calvary leader. Damn this memory of mine!

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    You gotta admit, if we had Sherman in Iraq in ‘03 it would’ve been over in ‘04.

    And he’d be court martialed and imprisoned, courtesy of the Democrats too, Maxx.

  41. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Let me know when you have ridded the countryside of liberals

    Open Season from Nov 1 until May 1, but the bag limits are to low. Working on it though.

    and I’ll pack my trunk with beer and head South.

    You’ll need Ten-Ten’s truck to haul enough beer for you Mope! But yer more than welcome now ya hear. Being a Southern is more a mind set now than geography and birthplace. I know quite a few transplanted Northerners (and at least one transplanted Dane) that would make ol’ J.E.B. Stuart and Jeff Davis them selves proud.

  42. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    because the damn things (hurricanes) have minds of their own.

    That’s why we used to name em after women there Heather.

  43. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    And he’d be court martialed and imprisoned, courtesy of the Democrats too, Maxx.

    But if we had another Lincoln, Piglosi and her Harem would all be dangling from the Capital Dome for Treason.

  44. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Are you referring to Gen. Jubal Early C.S.A. there Maxx? J.E.B. Stuart was the cavalry General. Best damned cavalry man ever, when he wasn’t riding after glory and protecting the Army of Northern Virginia (Like he was supposed to) any how.

  45. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    BTW, the name Sherman is still not used in polite company in Atlanta.

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    That’s why we used to name em after women there Heather.

    And I thought all this time it was because they’re hurricanes instead of himmicanes.

    :lol_wp:

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    J.E.B Stuart was who I was thinking of not Jubel Early.

    LH, I suppose you may be right. He did kick some ass, though!

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    Open Season from Nov 1 until May 1, but the bag limits are to low.

    Them bags got blue hair! If they ain’t endangered species now, they will be soon.

    We’ll need some offsets.

  49. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Lady H RE #46 :lol_wp: :lol_wp: :lol_wp: :lol_tb:

    Mope, we got no season or limit on that bag right there.

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    oh boy arguing about the weather… here in israel we like to say “nothing but stupid tourists oyut in the midday hamsan”

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    I remember hurricane andrew as a kid, damn I was scared shitless!

  52. MasterGuns Comment by MasterGuns

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    No limit on liberals in my fief. Season is always open.

    Semper Fi

  53. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    A question regarding my suggestion about weather radios as well as the bureaucratic crapolla inhibiting siren sounding: do the same restrictions you mentioned apply to SAME alerts or may they be issued more liberally?

    *snork*

    Weather radios issue watches (when tornadoes are possible) and warnings (when tornadoes have been spotted) at the drop of a hat. You’ll get warnings that the weather *could* produce a tornado usually about 6 hours ahead of time. (I do remember one time when the Weather Bureau was COMPLETELY taken by surprise, and hadn’t even issued a warning before the tornado hit. Freak tornado. Doubly freak since it was a rare Force 5 tornado that nearly wiped Barneveld, WI off the map) Warnings are usually issued about an hour ahead of time. But, warnings aren’t issued until a tornado is actually SPOTTED, so, add in the time it takes to call the Weather Bureau, and then, for the Bureau to send the warning out…in Dallas/Fort Worth, the Weather Bureau literally has to wait until the tornado touches down and starts moving to figure out where it’s going.

    I’ll have you know I haven’t had a beauty sleep in years. But I wouldn’t expect anyone on that side of the Cheddar Curtain to understand, heck the cops ober by dere concider an Illinois plate ‘probable cause’, ya Cheesehead. And that’s no F.I.B.

    I’m now WAAAAY south of the Difference Between Hicks and Jerks (the hicks are on the north side…) now. I’m now about 3 hours south of the DFW Metroplex…which is why I know a little bit about the goofy wind patterns than DFW gets.

    The reason Cheesehead cops consider driving with FIB plates as “probable cause” is because FIB plates ARE probable cause! If they haven’t committed any other crime, “Driving while a FIB” is grounds for a ticket. I still break out in a cold sweat when I think about the days I had to be on I-90 on a Flatlander Friday. *shudder* I’ve been told that y’all Flatlanders actually TEACH drivers to be that bad!

  54. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Has anyone ever written a book speculating what it would’ve been like had the South won? Any thoughts on the matter?

  55. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Piglosi and her Harem would all be dangling

    Now with Imus gone, we can have us a “Ho-Down”.

  56. DJ Allyn,  ITW Comment by DJ Allyn, ITW

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    Has anyone ever written a book speculating what it would’ve been like had the South won? Any thoughts on the matter?

    I seem to recall a movie with that premise. It is on DVD. I will look for it.

  57. Unregistered Comment by Jalapeno

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    Perfect picture, #34. Out here in westtx we call ‘em flyin’saucers - that particular shape seems to come with violent storms. I saved up a zip-lock of them for our insurance agent the last time that came through here (we lost EVERY window, and both skylights). God Bless y’all. All we had last night was wind-from-hell.

  58. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Has anyone ever written a book speculating what it would’ve been like had the South won? Any thoughts on the matter?

    Harry Turtledove has a whole series on it. Fascinating stuff. He’s a little on the leftie side, but a real interesting read.
    http://www.overstock.com/search?SearchType=HP_Header&taxonomy=dep9&keywords=Harry%20Turtledove&searchMode=books

  59. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Mope

    Ya say “ho-down” to a southerner he starts dancin’.

    Say “ho-down” to a hood rat, he starts looking on the ground.

  60. Alan K. Henderson Comment by Alan K. Henderson

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    Guns of the South, by Harry Turtledove

    Look at the cover and tell me if you see anything out of place…

    Then there’s the Turtledove trilogy known to fans as Timeline-191, named for Lee’s Special Order 191, which is crucial to this alternate history spanning from 1862 to 1944. It is completely unrelated to Guns of the South.

  61. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Maxx

    Better link to Turtledoves first installment of the Confederacy victorious alternative history series.
    http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?page=proframe&prod_id=764521&IID=prod764521#moreinfo

  62. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Say “ho-down” to a hood rat, he starts looking on the ground.

    Indeed. “Ho-down” is one thing and “Down-Ho!” is a completely different thing.

  63. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Has anyone ever written a book speculating what it would’ve been like had the South won? Any thoughts on the matter?

    Try Harry Turtledove: “Guns of the South”

  64. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Has anyone ever written a book speculating what it would’ve been like had the South won? Any thoughts on the matter?

    I picked up Gettysburg by Newt Gingrich about a week ago, haven’t opened it yet as I’m in the middle of another book right now. It’s supposed to be about Lee winning the Battle of Gettysburg, I hope it doesn’t disappoint the historical purist in me.

    Alan K. Henderson sez, regarding the Turtledove book:

    Look at the cover and tell me if you see anything out of place…

    Yeah, the Confederacy were armed by the British during the war…makes sense that Lee should be carrying an SA80 at least, and not carrying it like a GIRL as on the cover of that book!!!

    That said, it’s supposed to be a pretty good read from what I’ve heard.

    DJ welcome back, how are you doing?

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    #60, I’ll open this discussion (probably get massacred) but is it the barrel on the firearm? Go ahead, y’all take me “out”. Picture looks odd….

  66. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Look at the cover and tell me if you see anything out of place…

    That gun hadn’t been invented yet…

    Don’t tell me you gun enthusiasts hadn’t figured that out already!

    :jittery_tb: :lol_tb:

  67. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Alan, I think I got the answer.

    the rifle is reversed, the cartridge ejector should be on the right hand side shouldn’t it? as in this picture

  68. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Lady H sez:

    That gun hadn’t been invented yet…

    Don’t tell me you gun enthusiasts hadn’t figured that out already!

    check your history Lady H, who do you think invented the Sherman Tank? :rasberry_ee:

  69. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Looks like some good reading material for the summer.
    Thank you.

    Now what do you all think would’ve happened?

  70. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    the rifle is reversed, the cartridge ejector should be on the right hand side shouldn’t it?

    I Rather think it’s fake but accurate.

  71. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    check your history Lady H, who do you think invented the Sherman Tank? :rasberry_ee:

    Read the book, Jay. :tongue1_tb:

  72. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    who do you think invented the Sherman Tank?

    Why, Mr.Peabody, of course!

  73. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    And I’ve never seen a picture of Gen Lee with a rifle, only a sword.

  74. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Read the book, Jay

    so next you’ll be telling me that Lincoln didn’t discover Lincoln, Nebraska Lady H?, you’re shattering all of my preconceptions here :dunce_tb:

  75. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    speaking of Ho’s
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266127,00.html

  76. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    who do you think invented the Sherman Tank?

    And speaking of Sherman, I remember hearing that he was the first to bring war on the civilians as well, to make them hate war, and thus discourage morale on the civilian front.

  77. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Looks like some good reading material for the summer.
    Thank you.

    Now what do you all think would’ve happened?

    Hard to say. Slavery would’ve disappeared anyway, since it wasn’t really a smart way of running business. It’s much more efficient to hire labor for a pittance and let them bother about food and shelter, not to mention that you can cut back on your expenses during droughts etc. and rehire when times get better.

    One major difference, I think, would be that a United States run by the South after having won a bloody war to preserve States’ rights would have been much more Federalist in nature with very strict checks and balances on Federal power.

  78. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    the rifle is reversed, the cartridge ejector should be on the right hand side shouldn’t it?

    I think that’s how someone figured out Billy the Kid was actually right-handed, and that the tintype photo of him with his sidearm to his left was because the image was reversed. Someone said there was something fishing about the rifle:

    http://www.frontiertrails.com/oldwest/images/billy.jpg

  79. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Lady H sez:

    And speaking of Sherman, I remember hearing that he was the first to bring war on the civilians as well, to make them hate war, and thus discourage morale on the civilian front.

    You’re right about that, in fact Sherman’s doctrine of total war was referenced in Allied justification for the bombing of German civilian centers during World War II….that and the fact that the Germans had dispersed a lot of their industry INTO civilian centers to protect it!

  80. Unregistered Comment by Perpetual Student

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    Devildog:

    But, warnings aren’t issued until a tornado is actually SPOTTED, so, add in the time it takes to call the Weather Bureau, and then, for the Bureau to send the warning out…in Dallas/Fort Worth, the Weather Bureau literally has to wait until the tornado touches down and starts moving to figure out where it’s going.

    So I suppose the question should be: should the “siren sounders” continue to be paid for a dubious job when the radio is already doing it?

    Misha:

    One major difference, I think, would be that a United States run by the South after having won a bloody war to preserve States’ rights would have been much more Federalist in nature with very strict checks and balances on Federal power.

    I dunno if your comment was specific to “The Guns of the South,” but the CSU was interested in splitting as opposed to taking over. With that, I’ll probably bail as I don’t see good things for this thread… :gulp_ee:

  81. Unregistered Comment by Perpetual Student

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    Arrrghh…

    “CSU” == “CSA”

    I’ve been watching too many “24″ reruns.

  82. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I dunno if your comment was specific to “The Guns of the South,” but the CSU was interested in splitting as opposed to taking over.

    Absolutely. And if the Northern States had just let them secede instead of invading them, that’s exactly what would have happened which, if you ask me, would have weakened our nation overall.

    But once the war started, and if the South had won decisively, I don’t see a permanent split happening. The Union government would most likely have been tried and disposed of or, at the very least, deposed and disgraced, leaving a vacuum for a new government to be elected, a government that would most likely be more interested in reunification. It’s not so much that the South wanted to split as it was that they felt they had no choice, unless they wanted to be run from Washington with their rights redefined and taken away at whim.

    With Lincoln’s government gone, that obstacle would no longer exist.

    Would it be better or worse than what we have now? I don’t know, and I’m not about to speculate on it. Of course the immediate result of slavery not being abolished would be much worse, but extrapolating 150 years ahead from then I really have no Earthly clue what the United States would end up looking like. I’m just answering a question about what I think might have happened after a Confederate victory.

  83. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    absolutely. And if the Northern States had just let them secede instead of invading them, that’s exactly what would have happened which, if you ask me, would have weakened our nation overall.

    Got that right. When Lincoln met with Grant, Sherman, and Adm. Porter in 1865 to discuss the end game of the war one of the things agreed on was that the two sides should be reconciled, brought back together as one nation. That was foremost on Grant’s mind at Appomattox when he surprised Lee with the generosity and kindness of his terms for surrender…accepting the defeated Southerners back as fellow countrymen. I firmly believe that Lee would have done the same, seeking a way to eventually unite the country…but with more protection for powers granted to the States. Lee was not a secessionist, like many people of that time he was loyal first and foremost to his native State, He was a Virginian first and an American second….the ultimate statist.

    Think of Lincoln what you may, but his plan of reconciliation was very forgiving. If he had lived, I believe that there wouldn’t have been the civil strife and carpetbagging and failed reconstruction policies that happened under the administration of a powerless Andrew Johnson.

    historical speculation…fun stuff

  84. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Lee was not a secessionist, like many people of that time he was loyal first and foremost to his native State, He was a Virginian first and an American second….the ultimate statist.

    That’s what many people fail to remember about Lee (a family member of mine if you don’t mind my bragging about it). He was against the war. He didn’t want to see it happen. He was offered the command of the Union Army, but he loyalty to Virginia and the South in general was what prompted him to resign and return to eventually assume command of the Confederate Army. He may have been the one to surrender…but in my mind his loyalty and honor still make him great.

  85. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    Glad to see you’re still there, Sire. The pics of the Dallas area they were showing today - and yesterday, when the storm hit - looked downright ugly.

    The good news for me is that my local (KC area) weatherguessers do a pretty good job of spotting tornadic cells as they form, and they generally turn the sirens on before the storms hit.

    Usually, anyway…not that it does me much good. The bad news is, I live in a second-floor apartment without a basement.
    :bigsurprise_ee: :jittery_tb: :glurps_tb:

  86. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Groundhog stew - who’s with me?

    That will be the fifth meat in the Spatula City Five-Star, Five-Alarm, Five-Meat Apocalypse Stew™. 

  87. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone

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    Hmm… Last night I was bitching about the snow. (Yes, snow, in Kansas, on April 14th. They got close to a foot out west. New record for a late snow date, according to the weather droids. (Previous record was the blizzard of April 12, 1971, if my memory isn’t totally shot. Global Warming? My ass.))

    Guess I’ll take snow over tornadoes. (Not like we ever have those here, right?) :smoke_tb:

    Glad you came through okay, Boss.

  88. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Mrs. M sez:

    He may have been the one to surrender…but in my mind his loyalty and honor still make him great.

    I consider him to be one of greatest Americans…period, and one of my personal heroes (most of my heroes are from the Civil War era).

    so you have bloodlines to Gen. Lee Mrs. M?, Damn…you have every right to brag about that….and proudly too! do you have any personal artifacts from the General?

  89. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    So I suppose the question should be: should the “siren sounders” continue to be paid for a dubious job when the radio is already doing it?

    Absolutely “yes”.

    Who do you think lets the radio know that a tornado has touched down?

    When a siren goes off, that means a ‘tornado watcher’ (a trained person, who may or may not be emergency personnel. You can take the class and become one, yourself, if you so choose.) has spotted a tornado in the area, and the Weather Bureau has determined that your neighborhood or town is at risk of that particular tornado-producing storm passing overhead.

    When the radio upgrades a ‘tornado watch’ to a ‘tornado warning’, that means that a tornado watcher somewhere along the storm’s path has spotted a funnel cloud in the storm.

    I recall several times when a tornado was spotted in a storm in North Dakota, and a tornado warning was issued in Wisconsin. Why? Because Wisconsin’s winds are predominately Westerly, meaning it was highly likely the storm was going to pass through/over Wisconsin. Wisconsin, while not the size of Texas, is still a pretty darn big state. If I lived in Madison (and I did), would there be tornadoes touching down near me, if a tornado touched down in North Dakota? Maybe. Maybe not. Hence, the whole point of having a radio warn you of the possibility of a tornado producing storm headed your way, with a siren/Emergency Broadcast System (they get their signals from the same dude, in the same office, on the same control panel…) to let you know that a tornado is REALLY imminent in your area.

    It’s not a perfect system. But, neither is predicting the weather. In order to be one of the top 10% weathermen in the world, you *only* have to be within 10% precise 30% of the time. Or, to rephrase that, you only have to be kind of right 30% of the time to be one of the most accurate weathermen in the world.

    When you watch the weather report on the news, what you’re seeing is the average of a metric butt-ton of computer models, with the head meteorologist’s best guess as to which one of the many averages are the right one. It’s fucking semi-educated guess work. I don’t pay much attention to the weather reports these days, because I know how imprecise they are. Plus, it doesn’t really help me much, since I have to go out in the crap anyway, no matter what the weather is like. When it’s 40 and raining, I’m outside. When it’s 110 and sunny, I’m outside. Doesn’t really make much of a difference to me. Either way, I’m going to be outside.

  90. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    so you have bloodlines to Gen. Lee Mrs. M?, Damn…you have every right to brag about that….and proudly too! do you have any personal artifacts from the General?

    My Great Grandfather was a Lee. We’re still waiting for the research to be done but they seem to have narrowed it down to two of the brothers of Robert, Richard Henry or Francis Lightfoot (both of which signed the Declaration of Independence). My mother hasn’t been able to contact the cousin that did the research. I may have to prod her again.
    Unfortunately none of our family members have any personal artifacts of General Lee, or at least none that I know of. But we’re satisfied just being part of that family line.

  91. juandos Comment by juandos

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    Ahhh well what can one say about the fairy and the cockroach?… :lol_wp:

    Meanwhile Texas socialists are shoveling Misha’s tax dollars into a program that’s a prove failure:

    Access to subsidized health care could improve for thousands of Texans if the Senate’s additional appropriation of $107 million to reduce Medicaid waiting lists makes its way into the state’s final budget.It’s money and services that are critical not only to Laredo, but for the entire state, said Sen. Judith Zaffirini, D-Laredo.

    “I wish we had spent more — more on education, more on early education, more on higher education, more on health and human services,” she said, referring to the budget that was approved by the Senate last week.

    The $107 million would supplement the Senate’s allocation of $237 million from all funds earmarked for reducing waiting lists for a variety of Medicaid programs; both have identified funding sources under Article 2.

  92. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    “I wish we had spent more”
    Seems to be the pols mantra, especially when it come to the liberal socialist “taking care of those who won’t fend for themselves” programs.

  93. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    How long would the South been able to keep hold of the reins of power? The wealth and industry was all in the North as well as most of the population.

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    The South shall rise again!

  95. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Maxxdog sez:

    How long would the South been able to keep hold of the reins of power? The wealth and industry was all in the North as well as most of the population.

    The big edge that the South had going for them was that they were the prime producer of cotton in the world, and they produced a lot of sugar as well. That’s one of the reasons that Britain and France thought so hard about siding with the Confederacy during the war. Granted that the North had the industry and population, but you had to clothe those people and most of the clothing back then was spun from cotton. That crop was a real money maker, as was slave trading.

    BamaInfidel sez:

    the South shall rise again!

    Well, cotton ain’t the economic club that it was 150 years ago but there IS a lot of something in the Gulf that could give the South a lot of clout….that thing is oil. If you take the Texas fields, the Gulf coast oil fields, and the refining capabiities….well, THAT’s a lot of influence right there. You can thank the Northeastern and West Coast leftie/marxists for shutting down that industry elsewhere, not realizing that it made oil the equivalent of cotton back then, and you Johnnies are sittin’ tight on it.

    But I’m not worried, being that I was made an honorary member of the 54th Virginia Infantry during my last visit to Gettysburg, and taught the Rebel Yell by those good ol’ boys I’ll holler along with the rest of you when the Stars and Bars are allowed to freely fly in defiance of the PC marxists who wish to mute their legacy.

  96. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Misha Sez:

    All that they do is to annoy the shit out of us locals while informing everybody that hey, a storm just passed through. In case the roofs, cars and livestock flying through the air failed to alert you to the fact.

    :lol_wp: :lol_tb: :jittery_tb:

  97. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    How long would the South been able to keep hold of the reins of power? The wealth and industry was all in the North as well as most of the population.

    It was indeed, but those industry workers have to eat as well. Just as sitting on all the food you can eat isn’t all that useful if you’ve still got to harvest it by hand and get it shipped by way of oxen and carts. And as Jaybear points out, who’s sitting on a lot of the oil required to run all of that Northern machinery?

    Ultimately, however, it wouldn’t matter “who held on to power” as a United States where the Confederacy won would have been a Union just like the one we have today, with the difference that there’d be a historical horror story to pull out every time the Fed tried overreaching again.

    The Civil War, in the public eye and history books of that alternate reality, would have been “all about States’ Rights” instead of “all about slavery”, and when the narrative changes, it has a profound effect on society and the policies thereof.

    Just imagine a United States where the Confederacy won and DC, as they are wont to do, decide to meddle in States’ affairs outside of the limits of the Constitution. Politicians opposing the measure would be able to pull out the Civil War and say “look what happened the LAST time somebody tried that! Do you want to go THERE again?”

    THAT, in my opinion, is the only major way that that hypothetical U.S. of A. would differ from what we have. Slavery, as I have mentioned already, would have been abandoned anyway as it was both an abomination AND an anachronism, not to mention that it wasn’t really all that many Southerners that gave a good shite about abolishing it. Quite a few were against slavery, as a matter of fact, including a large percentage of the leadership. That being said, however, I still believe that speeding up the process as we did in OUR parallel reality was an unqualified Good Thing™.

    Union or Confederate victory, we’d still be pretty much the United States we know today, as opposed to a reality where the Civil War hadn’t been fought at all. Now that would have been a significantly different world. We almost certainly wouldn’t have become the global hyperpower that we are today as a House Divided, which is why I believe that Lincoln had it right. It was never about slavery, the Declaration of Emancipation was nothing but a bit of fluff to create a rallying warcry for a weary North and to keep the English and fwench from overtly entering the war on the side of the Confederacy. What the whole War WAS about was preserving the Union.

    That doesn’t change the fact that the North’s invasion was an unprovoked assault on a sovereign nation, but it DOES go a long way towards justifying said assault, from a purely NATIONAL perspective. There just weren’t any good options. The South had every right and reason to secede, had I been alive then I almost certainly would’ve voted in favor of secession, and the North most likely saved the nation’s future and our standing in the world as a WHOLE by invading to stop it.

    At the end of the day, however, it is what it is. We lost, the Yankees won. What’s important is that the Union was preserved and we became the strongest nation in the history of mankind as a result of it. It’s not like we became less Southern because of the defeat. The South still exists, Dixie is still here and what made it great is still alive and well. Nothing can change that unless we let ‘em.

    And we won’t.

  98. Unregistered Comment by Farmor

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    stakkels dig min dreng - her i DK har vi dejligt vejr - vi har nu i en uge haft over 20 grader - oversæt det selv til fahrenheit - meg jeg gætter på, det er over 70.
    Så måske har vi omsider fået den så omtalt globale opvarming??? Vi har nu ellers ikke mærket særlig meget til den i det sidste ½ - 3/4 år , men bedre sent end aldrig?
    Har du undersøgt det med gæsteværelse - jeg kan ikke få fat i jer pr. tlf. har forsøgt begge.

    Knus og kram til jer alle - og hils hele familien :clap_tb: :cool_wp: :cool2_tb: :cool2_tb: :cool2_tb: :cool2_tb: :cool2_tb: :grin1_ee:

  99. Unregistered Comment by Farmor

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    Det er skræmmende , nu kan jeg ikke skrive på dansk længere - oh shit. :wallbash_tb: :evil_wp:

  100. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Crunchie sez:

    You’ll need Ten-Ten’s truck to haul enough beer for you Mope!

    I’ll set the refer at 37 degrees. But I think between Mope, Crunchie, BC and Myself, we’d better make two trips! :drunk_tb:

  101. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Maxxdog, I just caught the ‘Just For You’ on your avatar!
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
    :lol_wp: :clap_tb: :lol_wp:

  102. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Darth Misha sez:

    That doesn’t change the fact that the North’s invasion was an unprovoked assault on a sovereign nation, but it DOES go a long way towards justifying said assault, from a purely NATIONAL perspective. There just weren’t any good options. The South had every right and reason to secede, had I been alive then I almost certainly would’ve voted in favor of secession, and the North most likely saved the nation’s future and our standing in the world as a WHOLE by invading to stop it.

    I gotta argue one point here with you Boss, the Confederate States of America weren’t recognized as a sovereign nation at the time of the Peninsular invasion of 1862. Although a lot of diplomats were dispatched to nations like France and Britain to argue for recognition, the European powers (like they are wont to do)drug their feet, waiting for the ultimate Southern victory to establish the legitamacy of the CSA. This was part of the justification for BOTH of the invasions of the North in August 1862 and June/July 1863. The reasoning was that if a great victory was won on Northern Territory, and Washington DC had the Army of Northern Virginia knocking at it’s door then the Confederate would be in a better bargaining position for sovereignty…..still, it’s hard to justify tactics that resulted in the starvation of the Southern populace, in Petersburg civilians resorted to eating their clothing to survive during the siege of 1865. Vicksburg citizens ate nothing but rats towards the end of the siege of 1863….pretty sad if you ask me.

    Now, I’m not getting much homework done by having to come over here to speculate on the Civil War all the time….although it IS a lot more interesting than the law homework that I need to get done by next Saturday….so in the spirit of true victimhood, who can I blame (other than myself) for me not getting my homework done? :dunce_tb:

  103. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I gotta argue one point here with you Boss, the Confederate States of America weren’t recognized as a sovereign nation at the time of the Peninsular invasion of 1862.

    They’d hardly had the time to be recognized, now had they? (Which explains why Lincoln was in such a hurry to invade). But you’re right, they weren’t a de jure sovereign nation, but they most certainly were a de facto one. It certainly wasn’t a “rebellion” as the Northerners liked to refer to it to justify their own actions, unless somebody can point me to the part of the Constitution stating that none of the various States could ever secede from the Union, should they so desire. It may be in there, but I haven’t been able to find it.

    And even if it is, wasn’t seceding from a non-representative tyranny exactly what gave birth to our great nation in the first place? I find it hard to believe that the Founding Fathers, having just fought a bloody war against tyranny, would endorse the view that nobody should ever be allowed to exercise that right again, particularly in view of the wording of the Declaration of Independence.

  104. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    And even if it is, wasn’t seceding from a non-representative tyranny exactly what gave birth to our great nation in the first place? I find it hard to believe that the Founding Fathers, having just fought a bloody war against tyranny, would endorse the view that nobody should ever be allowed to exercise that right again, particularly in view of the wording of the Declaration of Independence.

    Yes sir it certainly was…and it couldn’t have happened without the Southern states signing on to the Declaration and resulting Constitution. That’s why the Founding Fathers HAD to shelve the question about slavery for the time being. They knew that it was an issue with the potential to fracture their young Republic, and they knew that they had to solidify the foundations of that Republic before pressing on with questions about the morality of slavery. If they alienated the Southern States by addressing it in the Constitutional Convention, then there would never have been any ratification and secession would probably have happened four-score years before 1860.

    To show the volatility of the issue, there were out and out brawls on the floors of Congress and the Senate over debate on the issue…sometimes with pistols being brandished, and resultant duels being fought. Can you imagine that happening today? I’d pay top dollar to see gasbags like pelosi or frank or reid or durbin or murtha or any squishy rino get their asses kicked by an indignant colleague…and see it rerun on C-Span!!

    Dear God in Heaven, but I DO sometimes wish for the days of a simpler justice

  105. Unregistered Comment by Farmor

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    Sorry I posted some stupid thing about the weather - just wanted to say hello.
    mom
    :confused_ee:

  106. JeepThang Comment by JeepThang

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    “The sky gets a funky color which is hard to describe….”

    All of that is the best description I’ve ever heard/seen about the weather systems down south. During my life, I’ve lost count of the tornado storms I’ve been in and each one have that common denomonator.
    Wierd.
    Here in Tenn, it snowed today and it should be, I kid you not, it should be no less than 70 degrees outside.. yet it snowed this morning.. it did the same 2 years ago.

    I don’t think global warming is really as bad as people say.

  107. JeepThang Comment by JeepThang

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    However.. I get a feeling that something definately is changing.. just can’t put my finger on it.

  108. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    All of that is the best description I’ve ever heard/seen about the weather systems down south. During my life, I’ve lost count of the tornado storms I’ve been in and each one have that common denomonator.
    Wierd.

    It was how it was described to me when I was still new to G-d’s own country. I was mentioning how frightening it must be, never knowing when one was going to hit since twisters, unlike hurricanes, tend to pop up quickly and without much announcement, and I was told that it wasn’t all that bad. You could tell when it was a “normal” severe thunderstorm (I had to recalibrate my definition of “normal” when I first found myself in one, because where I come from a “normal” severe thunderstorm here would qualify as “holy shit! We’re all gonna die!”) and when Something Bad™ was about to happen.

    So I asked “how?”, and I was told “well, the sky gets this funky color, a color that shouldn’t rightly exist.” But I couldn’t ever get an exact description, beyond “greenish/orange/purplish yet none of the above”, depending on whom I asked. Quite frustrating, since I was used to everything being quite precisely describable.

    I was also told that once I’d seen it, I’d never be in doubt again, I’d know exactly what it was, and boy was that ever true. G-d, with His infinitely strange sense of humor, saw fit to give me a demonstration very shortly after I’d arrived when one hit the town in which I was staying at the time.

    Of course, being a dumb, ignorant furriner know-it-all, it wasn’t until after the fact that I realized what I’d been seeing, but I do remember thinking “hey, that’s weird. The lighting is all off” and “what a strange color. That sure looks… unusual.”

    Still, I can’t describe it properly, but I know it when I see it. It’s like watching one of those landscape paintings where you just know that the painter must have been huffing something or just been a piss poor painter, but you can’t quite put the finger on why that is. There’s an “off-ness” to it, something not quite natural about it, and it gives you an eerie tingle down the spine.

    And once you’ve seen it, provided that you’re still around to tell the tale, you’ll recognize it in an instant. But I’ll be damned if I can say exactly what it is, just like nobody could precisely describe it to me back then.

  109. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    (I had to recalibrate my definition of “normal” when I first found myself in one, because where I come from a “normal” severe thunderstorm here would qualify as “holy shit! We’re all gonna die!”) and when Something Bad™ was about to happen.

    We have a good friend up in Canada that comes down to visit us about once a year. The guy is a lighthouse keeper off the coast of British Columbia. He’s used to rough weather. Our thunder storms fascinate him to no end. Seems that we almost always have a big storm when he’s here….hell he was here the week Katrina hit. He’ll open all the blinds in the house and run from window to window watching what’s going on.

    He brought one of his girlfriends with him once. The woman was 45 years old at the time and had never seen lightening in person. We had an early spring storm that was basically all lightening…no rain. She came up missing in the house and I went to find her. She was in the backyard in her nightgown. Every time she saw a lightening bolt she would jump up and down and wave her arms and start screaming. It took me awhile to finally do the right thing and drag her ass back in the house. I was extremely tempted to leave her out there. I should have. Four days later I had to go out by myself in the middle of the night and drag her ass back to the hotel when she ran off ALONE to Bourbon Street in New Orleans. :wallbash_tb:

  110. Unregistered Comment by anomdragon

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    Hail,

    Well up here just above you in the great state of Oklahoma, it gets real fun when the tornadoes come. The Oklahoma City Metro Area as it is refered to in these parts is approximately 60mi east to west and 50mi north to south. When they sound the storm sirens for the city they sound them all together so the tornado could be on the east side but the sirens will go off on the west side still. This can make it fun sometimes. Just the other day they had one pop up and set off the sirens. We were just sitting around the house enjoying some quiet time, no tv, no radio, basically reading and dozing. There were storms around but nothing too outrageous, just some little thunder boomers, and we heard the sirens go off, first for the town of Yukon, then for Ok city, we live right at the edge of both. So we jumped up flipped on the TV, turned on Channel 9 news with Gary England, and sure enough there was a tornado. It had popped up about 10mi north of us and was headed in a north northeast direction. Ok that explained the sirens and lets check with Gary about the rest of the area. Lukily it was pretty calm elsewhere except for thunderstorms so we just turned down the volume and went back to taking it easy. One of the 10 signs you are from Oklahoma is when the storm sirens go off you go outside to look for the twister, not down to the storm cellar. A little one last year was two blocks over and yes the outdoors feels worng just before, there is a green color, the winds change signifcantly and it just feels wrong. That is the best I can describe it, but I also don’t get worried, cause hey why worry, if it is going to get you, it will.

  111. JeepThang Comment by JeepThang

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    Indeed.