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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Gun Control Laws Claim Another 21 32 Victims (UPDATED TWICE)
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BLACKSBURG, Va. — A gunman opened fire in a dorm and classroom at Virginia Tech on Monday, killing 21 people in the deadliest campus shooting in U.S. history. The gunman was killed but it was unclear if he was shot by police or took his own life.

But… HOW?

Aren’t campuses supposed to be “Gun Free Zones?”

Inexplicably, the crazed, mass-murdering psychopath bastard failed to heed the law and went in anyway, brutally murdering 21 innocent people who, being law-abiding citizens, were utterly unarmed.

And the Idiotarian Press is already out in force. I just caught a whiff of a White House press conference where journaljizzmers were busy asking about the need for more gun control laws.

Because, as we all know, if carrying a firearm on campus had been DOUBLE Sekrit Probation Illegal, the subhuman swine would’ve turned around and gone back home.

Our prayers go out to the families and loved ones of the victims, whose pain we cannot even begin to imagine.

May G-d grant you strength and comfort.

***UPDATE***: From the Roanoke Times, Jan 31st of 2006 (link thanks to LC Mike M):

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn’t get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.[Emphases ours — Emp.M]

No comment. “Safe”, huh?

***UPDATE the 2nd***: (Via Hot Air). The totalitarians at ABC are already climbing the still warm bodies of the students, unfurling their statist banner as they go.

“High capacity magazines read extreme firepower and gusto. Stock Up!” is the headline of one of many gun shop Web sites.

Virginia law enforcement officials have not identified the weapon used in the shootings today at Virginia Tech, but gun experts say the number of shots fired indicate, at the very least, that the gunman had large quantities of ammunition.

“When you have a weapon that can shoot off 20, 30 rounds very quickly, you’re going to have a lot more injuries,” said Peter Hamm of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

Yeah. It was the Evil High Cap Magazines™ that did it.

Given that totalitarian assholes like Peter Hamm had made sure that nobody except for the gunman had a weapon, he could’ve used a bloody front loading flint musket and still gotten away with it.

There is one, and only ONE contributing factor to the butcher’s bill at Virginia Tech today other than the murderous son of a syphilitic bitch himself, and that is this:

THE STUDENTS HAD, BY LAW, BEEN DISARMED AND LED TO THE SLAUGHTER BY FUCKHEADS LIKE THE BRADY SHITS.

The gun control freaks had, in effect, put up a sign saying “SLAUGHTER AT WILL” outside campus.

32 counts of accessory to murder.

Deal with it, you sick hoplophobic assholes, because it’s NOT going away.

159 Responses to “Gun Control Laws Claim Another 21 32 Victims (UPDATED TWICE)”
  1. Mike M Comment by Mike M

    I just caught a whiff of a White House press conference where journaljizzmers were busy asking about the need for more gun control laws.

    I saw the same thing on Fox. Idiots. I did like Dana Perino’s response, though, that existing gun laws should be enforced.

  2. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    did anybody try to engage in a “dialogue” with the killer?

  3. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    was this the same state where that idiot posted all the concealed firearms permits? perhaps this nutjob crossreferenced that list with the student body and found that he faced no surprise resistance.

  4. Mike M Comment by Mike M

    Gun Bill Gets Shot Down By Panel

    HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

    Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

  5. Unregistered Comment by Erbo

    Apparently one of the gunmen is Indonesian…which makes it probable, or at least possible, that he’s a member of the “Religion of Peace” (the peace of the dead, that is…). Think anyone’s asking that question right now?

    (crickets chirping)

  6. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    I wonder if this “asian” student was perhaps a “peaceful” religionist?

  7. texasfred Comment by texasfred

    They are now saying 29 for certain, possibly as many as 32…

    If some of those victims had been in possession of a CHL and had been carrying, this may have turned out differently…

  8. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

    If there is indeed more than one gunman, put your money on pisslam.

  9. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

    Some thoughts, cross-posted to my blog:

    The President of the University has scheduled a convocation tomorrow to begin the healing process. Yeah, the fucking healing process. Warm bodies are on the ground, no one knows who, what, or why the brains of innocents are all over the fucking buildings, and Oprah has already taken charge of the investigation.

    MSNBC Female Anchor: “Inevitably, in this situation, the question turns to the availability of firearms in this country.” Yes, inevitably. The murderer, his motive, how he obtained his weapons, and other circumstances of the incident are surely interesting, but the real question is how we can turn all this to our political advantage.

    The first shooting happened at 7am, the second before 10am. Lockdown was loosened in this time, presumably allowing the shooter to move to another building and open fire again. You know what this tells me? That dozens of people were just shot to death because some VT suit fuck didn’t want to lose a day of classes.

  10. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    I wonder if this “asian” student was perhaps a “peaceful” religionist?

    Way too early to say, even though the extreme reluctance of authorities to release the identity of the shooter gives me all kinds of nasty premonitions. He’s dead, after all, so it’s not like they need to protect his “presumed innocence.”

    If it turns out that he was, however…

    Backlash is going to be nasty.

  11. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

    I say find out who the gunman was, then execute every adult member of his fucking family to send a message.
    If he was part of a political movement of some sort, execute everyone affiliated with it.
    Time to take the gloves off on these fucking psychos.
    There should be a way we can convince people of considering this type of behavior to kill themselves - some kind of encouragement to get them to do the right thing.
    Time to dispose of the vermin in the max-security prisons, execute radical groups….let’s flush the toilet, and start fresh.

  12. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

    Oh, and that “healing process” thing is a direct quote from the VT Pres.

  13. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    how soon will “closure” enter the conversation?

    PARTICULARLY if perp(s) belonged to Religion of Peas

  14. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher


    While information had not been released about the gunman, Carter said he suspected that whoever the shooter was suffered from some deep psychological problem and was likely connected to the university campus in some way.

    already the canards are out!

  15. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy

    My first thought upon listening to the self-repeating drivel-mongers:

    What do you want to bet that, like at Columbine, not one VT student even tried.

    In the back or in a crouched postion is my guess - from years of being trained to crawl under a desk and wait for someone else to take care of them.

    MSNBC Female Anchor: “Inevitably, in this situation, the question turns to the availability of firearms in this country.”

    …yah - the question of ‘Why weren’t they available enough to have kept the bodycount to <10?’

    - MuscleDaddy

  16. Unregistered Comment by jewells52

    This is so tragic. I just don’t even have words right now. Only, that my prayers are with the families. Those poor kids never stood a chance.

  17. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

    I’m so pissed I can’t see straight to type. I was listening to ABC news on the radio, and oh my, you should’ve heard the verbal dancing around that went on about who the psycho was that did it and where he originated from. Can’t jump to conclusions, guys, right? Don’t want to OFFEND ANY OF THE ASSHOLES AT CAIR *SPIT*, RIGHT? ABC news also reported there had been bomb threats to Virginia Tech over the last several weeks.

    Just as long as the surviving students receive counseling. As long as they get to discuss their feelings in order to get closure [how that word makes me want to puke]. But retribution is a no-no. That would be mean and bad. :furious_tb: :guns_tb:

  18. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    i don’t think any american would refer to somebody from an islamic background as “asian”..that’s a brit thing.

  19. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

    Hate to go off topic, but can’t we just kill him? Now? With extreme prejudice?

  20. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    i don’t think any american would refer to somebody from an islamic background as “asian”..that’s a brit thing.

    Quite.

    Also, I’m not going to jump to conclusions here. It’s not like we won’t know for sure eventually and yes, it COULD be just another psychotic twit with girl trouble/self-esteem issues/inability to finish Final Fantasy inferiority complex.

  21. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

    Rhetorical question: Are they really that stupid? Why can they not see that there would have been no time for an armed police response, but if some of those students had bee armed it could have been over, as MuscleDaddy said, at <10? What The FUCK is WRONG with these idiots? Okay, rhetorical questionS. Shit.

  22. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    Yesterday I walked into the lobby of the hotel my wife runs and and took off my jacket and the girl working the desk saw my P90 .45 in my IWB holster and asked me, “Why do you have a gun??”

    Shit like today is why…

  23. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    One other thing, fuck this bullshit of convocation ceremony and counseling sessions to deal with their feelings…

    A better idea is to have handgun training sessions and teach them to deal with keeping their rounds center mass, and this kind of shit will stop.

  24. Unregistered Comment by Lord Daealdric

    See, this is the differemce between my school and VT. Embry-Riddle (mine) hosted a CCW permit class for all students and teachers a few weeks ago. You can bet I attended it.

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  26. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    As long as this nation is partially disarmed, the massacres will continue.

  27. Unregistered Comment by kfx400

    This is going to be massively exploited by the left into a gun control shit-storm. H.R. 1022 just went from possibly being killed in commitee to fastracked.

  28. TDCG23 Comment by TDCG23

    “Rhetorical question: Are they really that stupid? Why can they not see that there would have been no time for an armed police response, but if some of those students had bee armed it could have been over, as MuscleDaddy said, at <10? What The FUCK is WRONG with these idiots? Okay, rhetorical questionS. Shit."

    That question is made even more pertinent by the fact that police were ALREADY THERE, IN FORCE, in response to the FIRST shooting!!! They were there, looking for a shooter, and the lowlife scuzball was STILL able to kill 32 more people. 32 people DEAD because they were UNARMED. OUTFUCKINGRAGEOUS!!!!!

    For anyone who still believes that the police are there to protect you, this should be the final ABSOLUTE PROOF that they are NOT!!!!

  29. Unregistered Comment by Billy Downes

    As long as this nation is partially disarmed, the massacres will continue.

    Words of truth. I might add, as long as the hostility towards self-defense and preventative measures exists, the vermin will be encouraged to massacre. The “mass media” and most politicians (virtually all Democrats, and most Republicans) welcome events such as those of today. Irrational from pain and fear, many people will embrace their calls for more anti-gun (actually, anti - rights) legislation, and surrender more power to the already dangerously dictatorial American governments (State and Federal; Congress being far and away the worst and most dangerous).

    This is a hideous crime that will become yet another disaster. The victims corpses will be raped by leftist politicians for political gain and empowerment of their totalitarian agendas. Honest, decent, just individuals will find it even more difficult to defend themselves adequately from future slaughter. Righteous and lawful gun owners will be villified yet again. Any who believe that I’m paranoid, see the first comments from the MSNBC parrot. No one with a sense of decency and humanity would entertain such a thought - how can we deny people their God-given rights? - instead of feeling anger, frustration, rage. Instead of crying out for the head of the murderer.

    As for islam, no comment yet. We’ll find out one way or another who perpetrated this monstrosity. Then we decide accordingly.

  30. TDCG23 Comment by TDCG23

    Another thing. Why can’t the retarded GFW’s figure out that raging moron’s like this ALWAYS target “Gun-Free” zones? I have yet to hear of someone shooting up a gun range, a police station or a gun store or anywhere else that has a high per capita gun concentration. They do no choose locations where they anticipate that someone else may be armed and can shoot back.

  31. chuck Comment by chuck

    A little good news even though I think the question was worded incorrectly. Only a third of those responding are idiots.

  32. chuck Comment by chuck

    Crap someday I will figure out how to include links:)

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3046132

  33. Unregistered Comment by fanbladesaresharp

    Please, Please put these words on paper, insert in an envelope, affix stamp, and remind him of his own words

    Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.

    To send mail to a person or department at Virginia Tech, it should be addressed as follows:
    Name
    Academic Department or Administrative Unit + (4-digit postal code)
    Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
    Blacksburg, VA 24061

    Directory site link:
    Directory

    VT contact lines: Our main telephone number is 540/231-2801. You may also call us toll–free at 800/533-1144. If you can’t find the individual you are looking for here, please feel free to call us at 540/231-2801 or check Virginia Tech’s People Finder:

    VT Admins:

    Betsy Flanagan
    Vice President for Development and University Relations
    540/231-7676
    betsyf@vt.edu

    Thim Corvin
    Associate Vice President for Development
    540/231-2811
    tcorvin@vt.edu

    Rhonda Arsenault
    Associate Vice President for Advancement Services
    540/231-5147
    rarsenau@vt.edu

    Salinda Arthur
    Assistant Vice President of Development for Colleges
    540/231-5786
    sarthur@vt.edu

    Bruce Landis
    Assistant Vice President of Development for University Programs
    540/231-5813
    blandis@vt.edu

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  35. Unregistered Comment by JonB

    My wife and I have a very close friend at VT. We just, at church last night, filled out short messages on a card for her that goes into a care package that was to be sent to VT. Then to see this news this morning. :(
    We’ve heard nothing yet.
    All I can hope is that God has protected her and not called her home.
    :(

  36. MuscleDaddy Comment by MuscleDaddy

    Okay, maybe the job has me paranoid.

    It’s been said (a number of times) that our vulnerability on 9/11 was due to a failure of imagination - maybe I’m just having an overabundance of imagination…

    - A mass shooting on a college campus, split into two parts - timed and distanced perfectly to allow it to become the worst in our country’s history.

    - It will absolutely close the school for classes, but an asshat PC administration that would publicly praise the defeat of a bill that would allow students to defend themselves in situations just like this one, (but really, who’s ever heard of a shooting on a school campus?)- is going to be the same asshat PC administration that would hold a ‘convocation’ on campus the following day, to ‘begin the healing process’ and ‘bring the students closure.’

    - Of course, they’ll hold it in a place predictably large enough to hold everyone likely to attend, yet predictably small enough to ‘not seem impersonal.’

    - That’s likely to be a number far larger than 32.

    - All in one place - that anyone with a map of the campus could have predicted & even prepared for far in advance — before arranging for them to be there.

    - Certain that the MSM will be circling like vultures.

    I could work that one out - why not someone else?

    It’s only tinfoil-hat time after the fact - right now, it’s just me wanting to be wrong.

    - MuscleDaddy

  37. Unregistered Comment by JonB

    word just came in that our friend had gone to Roanoke for the day, so wasn’t even close.

    I feel guilty for feeling such relief that our friend wasn’t hurt. Is it selfish of us to be happy that our friend wasn’t one of the students murdered?

  38. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    I’ve already seen a Moonbat response on Lucianne that I was terribly tempted to cluebat. But I’m too pissed.

    “Armed student or faculty might have limited the loss of life, or even deterred the entire crime.”

    You can’t be serious. You’re kidding, right?

    It’s the ease of which people in this country can obtain guns that led to this massacre.

    Ever thought of going to work for the NRA?

    Had the shooter(s) not been able to so easily obtain guns, we probably wouldn’t have 32+ people dead today.

    BLAME THE GUNS! BLAME THE GUNS!! DON’T YOU DARE BLAME THE INSANE FUCKHEAD WHO WAS THE ONE THAT PULLED THE FUCKING TRIGGER!!!

    Range time will be mandatory tomorrow morning. I’m going to By G*d exercise my right to defend myself, Moonbats be damned. :furious_tb:

  39. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    I’ll be damned!!! Why didn’t that double blockquote?????

    You can’t be serious. You’re kidding, right?

    It’s the ease of which people in this country can obtain guns that led to this massacre.

    Ever thought of going to work for the NRA?

    Had the shooter(s) not been able to so easily obtain guns, we probably wouldn’t have 32+ people dead today.

    That was part of the quote…NOT my response.

  40. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    I feel guilty for feeling such relief that our friend wasn’t hurt. Is it selfish of us to be happy that our friend wasn’t one of the students murdered?

    No. But it’s a common feeling, even among survivors of the actual incident, and there will most likely be a lot of that among the ones that survived today (as if they don’t have enough to deal with already). Some of them, once the relief and joy at being alive subsides, will start asking themselves “why did I survive instead of [insert name]?

    What happened, happened, there’s nothing you can change about that, JonB. You’re not celebrating the deaths of the others, you’re celebrating the fact that your friend wasn’t among them. There’s nothing wrong with that, nor is there anything unusual in feeling that way anyway.

    And I’m happy with you. Don’t beat up yourself over feeling relief that your friend lived, that won’t bring any of the dead back, celebrate instead that he survived, that the number isn’t 33.

  41. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    how come conspiracy theories only go one way?

    who’s to say that the gun grabbers didn’t cause or allow this to happen to add greater velocity to their gun grabbing efforts?

  42. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    I’ll be damned!!! Why didn’t that double blockquote?????

    The site software does not handle nested b-quotes. You need to work around them.

  43. Unregistered Comment by JonB

    Good points Emperor. Thanks.

    btw, I’m sure it doesn’t need to be said, but I’m not holding my breath to wait for the media to reveal any information about the shooter. If the goblin turns out to be part of the Religion of Piss, it’s likely the media will go well beyond outright lies and censorship to hide it.

  44. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

    “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”

    Because, as we all know, it’s a far, far better thing to feel safe rather than to actually be safe. I could be wrong of course, but I’m special that way, Special

    Ed

  45. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    The only conspiracy here is:

    As long as the nation is partially disarmed, the massacres will continue.

    Until gun control is dead and buried, and people take responsibility for their own defense, the GFW and the politicians preying on them will continue to have periodic opportunities to dance in the blood of massacre victims.

  46. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

    An as yet unknown number of American lives were taken.

    I’m ashamed to admit that my first thought was not for the dead or injured.

    Nor was it for their families.

    Sadly, my first thought was how the MSM and leftist lunatics is going to use this hporrid situation to advance their anti-gun rhetoric.

    For that, I am sorry.

    But, alas, they have already begun to do so.

    My prayers have gone out to the families.

  47. Unregistered Comment by LC Staci GBOR

    I wonder what that twit complaining about the cop with a gun in his classroom while he was trying to learn about Marx is saying now.

  48. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

    BTW, why are school zones “gun free”? I don’t remember there being any large-scale shootings prior to me leaving school, and that was when we still had numerous student vehicles in the parking lot with shotguns and rifles in the racks (Yes, I’m from a small farm town in Idaho. Damned near absolute freedom at the time. Too bad about you.).

    What precipitated the mad rush to solve a non-existent problem, allowing for catastrophic failures of the solution (see Teton Dam disaster)? Was it just another example of feel-good legislation by those who had no understanding of the concept of deterrence, of history, of human nature, of consequences?

    Are these same ignorami going to extend the “solution”, like an idiot applying a bigger bandaid to his tummy because the last one didn’t stop his hunger pangs? I’m afraid the answer to that last question is “Yes”.

  49. Unregistered Comment by Big Mo

    If we could get rid of ALL the guns in America, this wouldn’t happen. I mean ALL of them. Private citizens, police, all branches of the military, all guns need to go. After that, you’d never have to worry about school shootings again. Beheadings, suicide bombs and other forms of “discipline,” but not shootings. Oh and you wouldn’t have to worry about your daughters getting hurt in school either.

  50. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    If we could get rid of ALL the guns in America, this wouldn’t happen.

    Any such statement will always be a fantasy. Firearms are a 14th century technology. You cannot un-invent them, no matter how hard you try. You will only see to it that only lawbreakers and the State has them.

  51. Unregistered Comment by kfx400

    Special Ed,
    I too am from a small farming town in Idaho. There was never a day that i drove myself to school that there wasn’t a firearm in my vehical. Today i would be arrested for it. It is the most ignorant among us that get to make the laws.

  52. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    Here is a revolver made from scrap metal in the Philippines unlawfully:

    Australia and Great Britain are being flooded with completely unlawful smuggled chinese knock-off glocks as we speak … and no amount of lefty whining will make the PRC stop selling them toi smugglers.

  53. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

    Weiser. You?

  54. Unregistered Comment by kfx400

    Rexburg.

  55. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    Sorry … malformed link.

  56. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

    Did I note a tinge of sarcasm in BigMos comment? Gosh! Oh, and:

    Why can’t the retarded GFW’s figure out that raging moron’s like this ALWAYS target “Gun-Free” zones? I have yet to hear of someone shooting up a gun range, a police station or a gun store or anywhere else that has a high per capita gun concentration. They do no choose locations where they anticipate that someone else may be armed and can shoot back.

    Damn! I missed that one. Good catch T.

  57. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    Did I note a tinge of sarcasm in BigMos comment?

    Sarcasm is hard to tell in print, unless you lay it on with a trowel. Is far as I could tell, it was a serious GFW ass-hat’s claim.

    Swedish biker gangs are attacking each other with RPG-7 anti-tank missles in the heart of Gun Control heaven, and this idjit thinks he can wave a magic wand and make guns vanish.

    He ain’t getting mine … and if his political friends send in the SWAT teams after me and mine, they will find an empty house …

  58. Merc Comment by Merc

    I was actually just at VT last week. There are police all over that campus. I don’t see how this could have happened the way it did unless there was some serious incompetence on someones part. Many of the shootings were in the engineering building at VT. I spoke with several engineering students during my visit to VT. I can only pray that they are ok.
    However, a shooting like this could only happen at a ’small town college’ like VT. When I was at VT last week they bragged about how safe the campus was and how the dorms were wide open all day from 7am-10pm. At UM where my brother attends. All dorms are locked down at all times, and students have to swipe their ID cards to get into their own dorms. Its like TDCG23 sez:

    Another thing. Why can’t the retarded GFW’s figure out that raging moron’s like this ALWAYS target “Gun-Free” zones? I have yet to hear of someone shooting up a gun range, a police station or a gun store or anywhere else that has a high per capita gun concentration. They do no choose locations where they anticipate that someone else may be armed and can shoot back.

    Its so true. At VT the security is wide open. So the goblin knew he could go where ever he wanted and that noone would have guns.
    Another thing I know hindsight is 20/20 but…

    A gunman walked into a dorm at Virginia Tech University early this morning, lined students against a wall and started shooting.

    Why does this country have a ‘Do what the evil murder with the gun says mentality?’ It happened on 9/11
    “I have a bomb I’ll blow up this plane”
    So everybody does what the guy says and more people die, except for on flight 93, those passengers who fought to take back the plane saved lives. Not their own but they saved lives.
    Again here everyone did what the man said and many people died. If the first group had fought back less people might have died. Hindsight is 20/20 but im just saying.
    Why do people living in the U.S. have a victim mentality?
    I’m not trying to dishonor anyone who died, not by any means. But it seems as if we’re a victim nation. Columbine, VT, 9/11 and so on. At every one people hoped by not doing anything they might be saved from the fuckers who killed them. Why is our country so brainwashed?

    “This day will live in infamy.”

  59. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    It all comes down to control. Always control. Do you REALLY think that GFW’s really give two shits about anyone killed in a shooting of this nature?? Unless they have a family member directly affected they don’t give a damn. They LOVE it when something like this happens, because it just makes it easier for THEM to get our guns and as a result, more direct control and power over US. Why do you think they are always refuse to blame the FUCKING SHOOTER. It’s always the gun at fault and not the diseased mind controlling the trigger finger.

  60. Merc Comment by Merc

    About the muslim thing.
    He might have been ‘Asian’ like these guys and the other ‘Asians’ captured by British or kicked off planes for acting suspiciously.

    I really hope the picture works.

  61. Merc Comment by Merc

    Damn. The pic didn’t work. But whatever the link works.

  62. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

    kfx400: My mom (and a couple of my brothers) live in Challis, ID. Mom carries a gun in her car, though she says she keeps it on hand in case she hits a deer (place is lousy with them!). She’s had to dispatch an injured one before. There are practical reasons other than self defense to carry guns, but you don’t see that advertised!

  63. english911 Comment by english911

    why almost 12 hours after the initial shooting do we not know more about this asshole killer, what is possibly the motive from not releasing his information?

  64. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    why almost 12 hours after the initial shooting do we not know more about this asshole killer, what is possibly the motive from not releasing his information?

    THAT, my friend, is the $64,000 question.

    Add to that that I just heard that VA has declared a State of Emergency.

    Absolute lid on any details about the murderer combined with a State of Emergency, and this is all because of one alleged nut going crazy on his own who is now dead?

  65. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    because he probably does not fit the template, and their busily attempting to couch what they know so it best serves their purpose.

  66. Wishbone Comment by Wishbone

    #52 Kristopher

    Way back when they banned handguns here, there were CZ pistols floating around everywhere. Cheap and cheerful option for the crims back then. These days there are illicit, backstreet ‘gunsmiths’ all over the place. They’ll convert or re-activate anything they can to make their money.

    When our government said back then: “When all the guns are gone, the only people that have them will be criminals”, we agreed wholeheartedly. Only the criminals have got enough guns to invade a small nation and we told them that would happen too, but by then they had ‘Banned handguns’ and basked in the glory of their ‘great’ achievement.

    Fuck ‘em all.

  67. Unregistered Comment by kfx400

    Kwongdzu,
    Thats cool, I still live here and have traveled enough to know i always will. Idaho is still one of the good states, there are still people here that realize that the 2A has nothing to do with duck hunting. And also realize that a gun is nothing more than a tool, no differant than a hammer or screwdriver. Your mom could drive around with a bowie knife and just slit the throat of a injured deer, but why open a can with an axe when the can opener has been invented? Assuming the can opener has’nt been out-lawed.

  68. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

    They just needed bigger signs outside the buildings stating the “NO firearm zone” policy. :nono_tb:

    I’m leaning towards a guy getting dumped on this one. Looks like he went to the first site and capped either his ex and her roommate, or the guy she dumped him for and his roommate, then went to where the un-shot other half of this triangle was suppose to be and just ramped up the psychosis on the way.

    If someone else had been armed during this situation, it could have been stopped or seriously curtailed. If there were a citizen that shot back at the bastard that did this he probably would have stopped at that point and fled (or better became dead sooner).

  69. jaybear Comment by jaybear

    I see a BAAAAAAADDDD moon risin’ my friends.

    sara brady and the snivelers in congress are already ramping up to take advantage of this and remove our 2nd Amendment rights from us, politicizing this issue while the bodies are still warm…cold, unfeeling bastards.

    Try holding order in a high school classroom when this kind of news breaks and teachers all over the building are playing the newscasts to their students….why? don’t ask me…I have my suspicions about an agenda, something like “gun free zones” or some feel good crap like that. I just told my students that guns weren’t the problem, that I have “gasp” four of them and none of the four guns in my possession have ever jumped up and killed anyone. After that, most of my students were more interested in what I had and how often I shoot them.

    Well, the latest that I’ve heard is that these people were all killed with two pistols…TWO PISTOLS for Gods sake!! one 9mm and the other a .22!! and he managed to kill 33 people!! Now I don’t have any clue about what I would do in a situation like this, but I’ve been shot at once in anger..by a drunken renter on our block who was taking pot shots at me and others at a 4th of July party. The first thing I did was to get my family inside and out of the way and then help a disabled friend into his house, all while this idiot was pointing the pistol at me. I bring this up for a reason…not to brag or to make myself a hero, but to try to figure out how over 50 people could let this guy fire a clip, on average 7 rounds, then let him reload and continue to kill them while they all did absolutely nothing…NOTHING!! Have we as a people been conditioned to be so submissive and non-confrontational as to just turn to jelly in a situation like this? did all 50 of them just do a group cower and stay curled up until he shot them? Think of the people on Flight 93 who, once they knew they were going to die, fought back against the their islamic executioners. Why didn’t these people rush this bastard while he reloaded? I’m not particularly heroic, but I’m pretty certain that I would get the clue and, knowing that I had nothing to lose, rush that son of a bitch while he was reloading…hoping that more of those with me would follow up and do the same.

    I don’t think that this is an issue of gun control or campus security or how violent our society is…I think it’s a clear indicator of just how sheepish we as a nation have become. It’s time to tell the grief counselors and anger management scammers and diversity training con artists and therapists to sod off, and then teach our kids how to survive in this world.

    I think I’ll stay away from the news for the rest of the week. I know what it’s going to be about, gun control gun control gun control…..

  70. Unregistered Comment by curious

    I heard some idiot on public radio ask one of the teachers at VT if they were teaching anything “controversial” that would have upset this student. So, I am guessing that the student is a Muslim, why else ask this question?

    VT is a big place, bigger than some small towns. Since the administration disarmed the students and teachers, they have an obligation to provide security some other way. They have an obligation to keep arms and ammunition on hand to counter situations like this.

    If I was family of one of the victims I would be suing VT and the president of VT personally for failing to provide this security.

    Instead of a gun control law we need a gun ownership law. Every citizen should be required to own a gun and training in safe use of guns should begin very early in life. This kind of nonsense wouldn’t happen anymore then.

  71. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

    Every citizen should be required to own a gun and training in safe use of guns should begin very early in life. This kind of nonsense wouldn’t happen anymore then.

    So true. But try getting that passed with Pelosi and Co. running the big show.

  72. Unregistered Comment by curious

    The only thing you can do when faced with someone holding a gun on you is attack. Running away is stupid, you will get shot in the back. Just standing there is stupid, you will get shot in the front. Begging is stupid, that is what the gunman wants. If you attack you will take the gunman by surprise, even if he shoots you, you might still be alive.

    This is particularly true of a single gunman facing more than one person. He might take out 1 or 2 of the attackers, but he is going down.

    If you pull a gun on me you better use it about 1/2 a second after you pull it because if you don’t I’m going to take it away from you.

    A punk teenager pointed a hunting rifle at me once and I took it out of his hands and smashed it against a tree, I was able to do this because he never dreamed an old fat man would attack someone holding a rifle.

  73. Unregistered Comment by curious

    So true. But try getting that passed with Pelosi and Co. running the big show.

    Fortunately, this is a local issue, not a federal issue.

  74. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

    curious said:

    If I was family of one of the victims I would be suing VT and the president of VT personally for failing to provide this security.

    Judge Andew Napolitano on Fox News predicted a landslide of lawsuits. This case reeks of incompetence to begin with.

    If their “solution” for this massacre is for more gun control, I’d have to call them a bunch of ignorant fucking retards, because clearly they are lacking critical thinking skills. (Not a surprising trait for liberals. Why let logic get in the way of making you feel good?)

  75. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

    Andew = Andrew.

    (Sheesh. You’d think I’d learn to proofread my posts. Been a long day.)

  76. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    speaking of, Iacobus..


    Virginia Tech President Charles Steger said authorities believed that the shooting at the dorm was a domestic dispute and mistakenly thought the gunman had fled the campus.

    “We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur,” he said.

    He defended the university’s handling of the tragedy, saying: “We can only make decisions based on the information you had on the time. You don’t have hours to reflect on it.”

  77. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

    Though there are limits as to what schools can do to prevent such crimes and heighten security — public universities and colleges, for example, aren’t allowed to have gated access to campus, because they’re public — there are safety measure schools can and do take.

    Among them: Controlled access to residence buildings in the form of student ID swiping machines; guards at academic and dormitory buildings; a strong campus police and security presence; active-shooter training for officers and guards; metal detectors and bag searches at athletic and other events that attract crowds; security cameras; trained student guard forces; and education about safety procedures for students, faculty and staff.

    Hey, here’s an idea: LET THEM FUCKING ARM THEMSELVES! WHAT A CONCEPT!

    Though tragedies like that at Virginia Tech can never be eradicated, universities should make sure to inform their students and faculty of danger and get them involved wherever possible, said Rutgers disaster sociologist Dr. Lee Clarke.

    “If somebody is very determined, given that we don’t have effective gun control, they can do some damage,” he said. “We’re wide open, and major universities are terrific targets.

    Umm…was there ever such a thing as effective gun control? I must have missed the memo.

    “But when the world falls apart, it’s the person next to you who’s going to save you. In spite of fears of panic and mayhem, people can be trusted with frightening news.”

    Tell that to the 32 that were shot. Oh, wait. You can’t. They’re dead.

    My dear G-d, the idiocy is mind-numbing.

    More fun:
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266423,00.html

  78. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    Police Can’t Identify Gunman Because He Had No ID and Shot Himself in the Face…

  79. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    It is unknown at this time if the guns had standard or extended clips, which can fire as many as 30 shots before the gun has to be reloaded.

    oh, you can FEEL the agenda manifesting itself

  80. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

    Ya know, I seem to recall a student at Western Kentucky University saying something incredibly ignorant:

    There are some things we as students never expect to see in a classroom. Things that are not a natural fit in that environment. I thought one of those things was a firearm of any kind. But, apparently I was wrong.

    I was in a sociology class not long ago and noticed that an off-duty Bowling Green police officer was in the room. He was in his full uniform, including his utility belt, gun in holster.

    Just thinking about it now, I am still in shock. A gun in a classroom! This is by far the dumbest thing I have seen as a Western student. There is no excuse for this. I do not care that he is an officer.

    Yes,this is a ‘journalism’ major:

    The least of my concerns about this is that a gun in a classroom does not create the type of relaxed atmosphere that students desire in the classroom. There is no way that a gun will ever comfort me while I am trying to learn about Karl Marx’s views on society.

    If I see this again I will have to address it with the department head. I pay my tuition to come to school here, and at the very least I should have the guarantee of a safe and relaxed study environment.

    That, my friends, would be a journalist of the future.

  81. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    Curious Sez:

    If you pull a gun on me you better use it about 1/2 a second after you pull it because if you don’t I’m going to take it away from you.

    Let me finish that for you…

    AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR FUCKING ASS AND KILL YOU WITH IT!!!!

    And I’m a fat, bald, semi old man who has two lethal weapons at the ends of his arms and will fucking well use them if I have to…

    I may go down, but I’m goin’ down fucking fighting…

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  83. TDCG23 Comment by TDCG23

    Like it has already been said several times, the GFW’s are going to use this like Thor’s Hammer to try to drive through MORE ‘gun control’ legislation. That made me start thinking. Why is it that so few of us that are pro 2A run for political office? You can damn near count ALL the pro 2A politicians on one hand.

    Why do people like us NOT run for office? I don’t mean POTUS or National gov’t level, I mean at the local level. Why do we not get in on the ground floor, say town council, board of alderman, etc, and work our way up?

    This tragedy, and the inevitable shit storm of upcomming anti-gun propaganda, has me seriously considering running for some local office. If WE are the gov’t, WE get to pass pro 2A laws, even if it is just a local ordinance loosening the noose on law abiding gun owners in our jurisdiction. Or at least, we could vote AGAINST any further RESTRICTIONS on our RIGHTS.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, instead of only bitching about the gov’t, we could ‘BECOME’ the gov’t. I know it can work, just look at what the GFW’s have done by ‘BECOMING’ the gov’t.

    ….now, to find out the local requirements for running for local offices….

  84. Merc Comment by Merc

    Curious sez:

    The only thing you can do when faced with someone holding a gun on you is attack. Running away is stupid, you will get shot in the back. Just standing there is stupid, you will get shot in the front. Begging is stupid, that is what the gunman wants. If you attack you will take the gunman by surprise, even if he shoots you, you might still be alive.

    This is particularly true of a single gunman facing more than one person. He might take out 1 or 2 of the attackers, but he is going down.

    If you pull a gun on me you better use it about 1/2 a second after you pull it because if you don’t I’m going to take it away from you.

    Exactly. What I don’t understand is that this is a rare view in today’s society.

  85. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

    Special Ed: Weiser? The husband and I attended college in Caldwell. You wouldn’t have gone to C of I (AC of I, now), would you? It cracks me up when I see Idahoans portrayed as hicks. Though I have to admit, I loved Napoleon Dynamite.

  86. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

    … although now, I sometimes wish we had been NNC CRUSADERS!

  87. TJ's Anti-Contrarian Blog Comment by TJ's Anti-Contrarian Blog

    I wonder how long this asshole would have lasted had he picked Virginia Military Institute rather than VT?

  88. Unregistered Comment by smokeybehr

    GAAH!!!! Another fucking moron spews forth on the News, but this time is was Fox… The guy said “Let’s say it was a Glock. You can shoot 19 times in 6 seconds and reload in 2 seconds.” This guy is a fucking moron. Only competition shooters can shoot that fast with any kind of accuracy, and reload that fast. If you hear the audio from someone on scene, the shooter wasn’t shooting 3 rounds a second, he was shooting MAYBE a round every 3 seconds.

    Bring Judge Napolitano back in to set this moron straight.

  89. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

    Police Can’t Identify Gunman Because He Had No ID and Shot Himself in the Face…

    Yet they already “know” that he shot his cheating girlfriend and her lover, and nobody on campus has any clue who he was?

    I’ll believe either story, but not both.

  90. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    TDCG23 Sez:

    Why do people like us NOT run for office?

    Because our ruling class have made it virtually impossible for Joe Sixpack to afford to run and win…

    More here and please check out the links contained within…

  91. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

    We have gun control laws.

    Strict ones.

    The crims get their guns anyway.

    Net effect and use of said laws.

    Zero.

  92. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    I’ll believe either story, but not both.

    Cat’s out of the bag. They are hiding the name for PC reasons.

  93. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

    6′tall “Asian”.

    I would be thinking Indonesian or Pakistani, because I believe Oriental men are usually pretty short. Isn’t that right?

    Also, I don’t know why an American outlet wouldn’t call him “oriental” either.

  94. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

    Believe me when I tell you that the prayers and thoughts of All Australians are with you today.

  95. Kristopher Comment by Kristopher

    Does anyone have a name for the first two victims?

    I’ll bet a trawl of myspace will turn up the name of the shooter.

  96. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

    Heather, I think not.

    Scattered reports re something about a girlfriend..Asian…a Chinese exchange student??

  97. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    short where, Heather?

  98. TDCG23 Comment by TDCG23

    Thanks for the link LC MoMinuteMan, I’m going to read it more shortly.

    I was mostly talking about local offices, ones that don’t require millions to even get in the running though. Start at the bottom, work your way up. Besides, if we never even try, we’ll ALWAYS be at the mercy of the GFW’s, at least until they back us up to the “Line in the Sand. I’d rather not be pushed that far. As a matter of fact, I HATE being pushed, especially in a direction I don’t want to go.

  99. Merc Comment by Merc

    I think it’s a clear indicator of just how sheepish we as a nation have become. It’s time to tell the grief counselors and anger management scammers and diversity training con artists and therapists to sod off, and then teach our kids how to survive in this world.

    Amen

  100. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

    Heather: Well, there is that 7-foot-something Chinese basketball player. And Kazuhiro Sasaki (Japanese ex-Mariner pitcher) was 6′4″, I believe. But, I think you’re right … not that common!

    6′ tall … hmmm …. maybe OBL hisself! :) … and an engineering student, probably. I’m guessing Pakistani.

  101. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

    Still, why are they withholding the name?

    Next of kin?

    :wallbash_tb: :furious_tb:

  102. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

    We have gun control laws.

    Strict ones.

    The crims get their guns anyway.

    Net effect and use of said laws.

    Zero.

    Spot on, Brendan. That’s the crux of the matter. No matter how many “gun control laws” “guaranteed victim laws” ANY government passes, criminals will STILL get their hands on guns and use them with impugnity. As His Imperial Vindictiveness™ (and many others) has pointed out on so many occasions that one can’t even count, DISARMING LAW ABIDING CITIZENS only guarantees that they will be HELPLESS VICTIMS to the CRIMINALS who don’t give two shits for “gun control laws” “guaranteed victim laws”.

    How fuckin’ difficult is that to understand? Apparently VERY difficult for the millions of GFW LefTards around the world.

    :wallbash_tb:

  103. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

    Brendan,

    We just don’t call them “Asian males” here that much. “Oriental males” descriptions are more common.

    However, maybe the Media PC Code Bible™ got updated without my being aware of it.

    :embarrassed_ee:

  104. ChefJeff Comment by ChefJeff

    OK…I have never seen the need to arm myself with a weapon other than my rifle. Now, I want to purchase a handgun and show my 17 year old daughter and wife (don’t think that will happen) how to use a firearm for their protection. G-D help those children, family and friends….you are in my prayers.

  105. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

    Let the students carry weapons!

  106. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

    Quite apart from the rage and heartsickness I’ve been feeling since news of this atrocity broke, here’s my personal thoughts on the matter:

    1) It’s time for me to take the safety course and get a CHL. Even though here in Missouri we don’t need a permit to carry in order to have a gun in our vehicle, the gun won’t do me much good if I’m attacked inside the local mall by an armed psycho while the gun is under the seat of my car outside.

    2) Maybe forgo the Ruger GP-100 .357 I was talking about getting in the BAG Day thread in favor of Ruger’s much more concealable SP-101 in that caliber, a S&W Airweight .38 or similar small gun. Because “concealing” a full-sized .357 revolver (or the largish 9mm pistol I currently have) is kind of hard. Which brings me to…

    3) I’m going to save up for and buy as many guns as I possibly can, while I can. Because you just know Chuck Schumer and the rest of the DemCong totalitarians are having an collective orgasm over the media coverage of the VT shooting and how they can politically spin it.

    4) Whether armed or bare-handed, if I’m ever caught in a situation similar to the VT shooting…I’m not going out like that. If I have to die, so be it…as long as they find me with my hands wrapped around the throat of my assailant’s corpse.

  107. Unregistered Comment by smokeybehr

    Comment by Lady Heather

    Still, why are they withholding the name?

    Next of kin?

    I’ll have to take Political Correctness for $100, Alex.

    It causes American Muslims to suddenly kill innocent people on college campuses and in shopping malls.

    What is “Sudden Jihad Syndrome”?

    Correct!

  108. juandos Comment by juandos

    Very interesting comments fellow Rotties, yes indeed…

    Dymphna over at Gates of Vienna has an excellent bit of history regarding the politically correct atmosphere at Virginia Tech: Ringing Down the Days: A Va Tech Student’s Failed Plea from August 2006

    You folks might remember that in late summer of last year the police were running through that very campus looking for an armed felon…

    Some folks understoond the problem:

    Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

    That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

    Some others obviously just didn’t and couldn’t get it:

    At the risk of being accused of being a member of the liberal media, I’ll put it out there that I don’t particularly feel safe knowing that people can carry guns around me — even if those people have licenses to do so.

    Turns out, I’m in the majority. With a quick Google search, I was able to find this 2001 article by professors at the Harvard School of Public Health. The conclusion of the study is summed up here: “Americans feel less safe rather than more safe as more people in their community begin to carry guns. By margins of at least nine to one, Americans do not believe that ‘regular’ citizens should be allowed to bring their guns into restaurants, college campuses, sports stadiums, bars, hospitals, or government buildings.”

  109. Unregistered Comment by Americhristian

    This reminds me of a book I once read, called “The Weapon” by Michael Z. Williamson. While it is military science fiction, Williamson uses the book to make several remarkably intelligent points. The main character is an under cover agent from a place called the Freehold. Freehold is basically what America would be if The Emperor were running it. Anayway, the main character is on earth for the first time and soon witnesses a group of punks robbing a store, while civilians (unarmed, of course) stood around and watched the robbery and the getaway, comenting on what the world was coming to and why weren’t the policwe doing anything? The main character wondered if these people had the same thoughts about the problem of unwiped anuses. If WE, as the citizens of OUR country aren’t willing to defend OURSELVES, let alone each other, we have reached a place that would make the founding fathers weep.

    ~Jerry D~

  110. Radical Redneck Comment by Radical Redneck

    Kommies already screaming Bush behind it (to get Gonzales off the news) :wacko_tb:

  111. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    Americans do not believe that ‘regular’ citizens should be allowed to bring their guns into restaurants, college campuses, sports stadiums, bars, hospitals, or government buildings.”

    If that frothing dumbfuck was honest they would have changed “Americans” to Socialist/Communist Liberals. Americans DO NOT have a problem with other Americans exercising their rights.

    It’s the ones that want to take them away that have a problem with it, because they know that in order to take control, they are the ones that will be the first targets when the shit hits the fan. If the citizens are unable to fight back..they don’t have to worry about being turned into compost.

  112. Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M Comment by Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M

    What’s called for here is a reaction from Second Amendment supports that makes the Zumbo incident appear tame be comparison.

    Everyone should be on the phone or drafting letters to their state representatives and governors right now, DEMANDING to know why there are laws on the books that restrict a properly-licensed CHL holder from carrying anywhere they damn well please.

    The Second Amendment doesn’t GRANT you a right to self-defense, that’s an INALIENABLE right. The Second Amendment only says that the government can’t INFRINGE upon that right.

    Until we INSIST that our lawmakers respect the Second Amendment, we’ll continue to see our rights eroded.

  113. Unregistered Comment by CKO1986

    My train of thought may be running a bit slow tonight, but…what’s a hoplophobic?

  114. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

    For anyone who still believes that the police are there to protect you, this should be the final ABSOLUTE PROOF that they are NOT!!!!

    The police are record keepers and collectors of evidence, their actual preventative role has been ruled in courts of law as a happenstance, not a legal requirement.

    If you want to ensure you are secure, that rests entirely in your own hands. Which is why the PC shit that got these kids killed sickens me so, it’s another Liberal trick to make us helpless little voting bloc slaves no matter how many it requires to sacrifice to victimhood for their example cases.

    Fuck the Left. Fuck the RINO’s. We need to take this country back. I’m not even an actual citizen of the US and I can see that.

  115. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    LC Wes, my Show Me Brudda, Missouri is an OPEN CARRY STATE!!

    You don’t need a CHL unless you don’t wanna stampede the GFW peons when they see a hogleg on your waist.

    Check out Packing.org for a run down of Missouri’s carry laws. Basically, hospitals, Gov’t. buildings, churches, places that serve booze, and places posted with an X by X inch sign with letters X inches tall stating “NO CONCEALED WEAPONS” (like Schnucks, the fuckers give money to anti 2A groups, which is why I don’t shop there…) are off limits for concealed carry, but I don’t see where open carry is prohibited…

    But if you see me, you can expect to find a Ruger P90 and at least three 7 rnd mags of 230 grain .45 ACP hollow point ammo on board, no matter where I go…

    I visited my Mom in a hospital here in Cape Girardeau, strapped, locked and loaded and ready to TCB…

    And should I go down, feel free to grab my shit and carry on the good fight…

    :guns_tb:

  116. juandos Comment by juandos

    FYI in comment #108 I should’ve mentioned that this was the incident: Suspected Killer Nabbed Near Va. Tech

    The Associated Press
    August 22, 2006
    BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) — A manhunt for an escaped jail inmate sought in the slayings of a sheriff’s deputy and a hospital security guard ended with the discovery of the fugitive hiding in a briar patch near the Virginia Tech campus.

  117. Redeard Comment by Redeard

    “merely reporting what MSNBC was reporting (2+ / 0-)

    Recommended by:
    Shapeshifter, GreyHawk

    I don’t know anything about guns and don’t wish to learn.”

    That was from a poster at Daily commie. Translation:
    “I prefer being a victim.”
    Sorry for no block quoting.

  118. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

    WHOA!! Someone on CNN put forward that allowing the general public to be armed would have been a good thing in this type of situation.

    The counterargument (from Lt. Steve Rogers, Nutley PD) was, how do the police know who is the bad guy?

    Perhaps it’s the ones that when confronted with “This is the cops, Put down your arms or we will fire”…comply. Even if the bad guy follows the rules, it’s over. I’m sure the good will be winnowed from the evil quickly.

  119. Useful Idiot Comment by Useful Idiot

    Not one policy maker references Vermont when discussing gun control: Extremely low crime rate and practically non existent gun laws. Hmmmm.
    I am very sorry for all of the parents and they’ll be in my prayers.

  120. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    Gun laws close in on U.S. ‘right to bear arms’

    the brits are creaming their pants over this chance to show the evils….

  121. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    CKO1986 Sez:

    what’s a hoplophobic?

    From Dictionary.com…

    Hoplophobia, (pronounced [ˌhɔpləˈfoʊbiə]), from the Greek hoplon, or weapon, is a phobia identified by firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper in 1962. His intent was to satirically use a clinical term to bring public recognition of the irrational fear of firearms and other forms of weaponry such as knives or explosives. He stated that “the most common manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of their own, apart from that of their user”. Hoplophobia is deemed to be a cultural side effect of those who engage in the primordial human belief systems that anthropologists refer to as “animism”, or the belief that inanimate objects can hold spirits that can affect human actions.

  122. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    From Sir Christophers link…

    There is also no state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in Virginia or who has them.

    And as I replied,

    And that is how it should be…

  123. Unregistered Comment by CKO1986

    LC MoMinuteMan–Thanks for the quick and well-detail response to my question.

  124. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    A Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa.

    The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups…

    Police believe 3 bomb threats on campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response…

    just popped up on Drudge

  125. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    McCain Backs Gun Rights After Shootings…

    and John immediately throws a bone to the “Rottie Vote”

  126. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    is there a “Grassy Knoll” on this campus?

  127. Unregistered Comment by Azygos

    ChefJeff, You may want to check out this site with your wife and daughter.

    GunCite

  128. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

    MoMinuteMan, I was under the impression that Open Carry in Missouri had been repealed with the passage of shall-issue CHLs. I’ve actually been told that by several different cops in as many jurisdictions. In fact, while Cape Giraudeau might not prohibit open carry, state law (RSMo 21.750, as quoted at Packing.org) does say:

    Cities and counties may not regulate any aspect of firearms, except open carry and discharge within the jurisdiction. See the full statute for additional details.

    So local jurisdictions can ban open carry, if they so desire. Curiously, the “Concealable Firearm Information Sheet” that the Jackson County (KC Metro) Sheriff’s Department gave me when I applied for my Permit to Purchase suggests that Jackson County does still recognize open carry:

    While it is legal to carry a concealable firearm in plain view, remember that, should an officer stop you, you will probably be questioned about your intentions. Never reach for the firearm without advising the officer what you are doing.

    So while Jackson County doesn’t have a problem with my carrying openly - so long as I don’t do something stupid and panic the deupty who pulls me over for a busted taillight - that doesn’t mean that open carry is OK with the Independence or KCMO city cops. And KCMO, for sure, DOES prohibit open carry.

    Besides, there’s something to be said for keeping a low profile…

  129. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

    No prob CK…

  130. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

    and John immediately throws a bone to the “Rottie Vote”

    Too little, too late? I just don’t trust him anymore.

    OT..does this thread set a record for crossing 100+ in record time? Gee, I wonder where people go to get the low down on what’s happening?

    Busy at work this day and didn’t hear about this till driving home. Simultaneously to turning on the TV to Fox, I logged onto the Rott.

    Thank you, my Emperor.

  131. Unregistered Comment by curious

    Someone is lying about what happened at Virginia Tech. I just heard a tape of the last of the shooting. A 9mm makes a very distinctive, high pitched “pop pop pop” sound, you can hear the gunman shooting very distinctly “pop pop pop”, then you hear several men yelling in English and at least two men yelling in a foreign language that I do not recognize, then you hear at least 2, possibly three very deep pitched blasts in rapid succession, if you have ever heard a 12 guage shotgun go off this deep blast cannot be mistaken as to what it was, then silence.

    I only heard the last part of this tape once, every time it has been played since they leave out the very end where you hear the yelling in a foreign language and the shotgun blasts.

    They are claiming that the gunman cannot be identified because he shot himself once in the face with a 9mm. That doesn’t make any sense to me. Two or three 12 guage shotgun blasts would definitely make it difficult to identify you.

    Now, guess what weapon sheriff’s departments prefer. If you guessed 12 guage shotguns you are right. The sheriff’s department was the first responder, you can see them in the background.

    ?????????

  132. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

    Passing more laws only the law abdiding take seriously is ludicrous. Had more, if not all the students been armed, instead of sitting ducks, this bastard would have been dropped in his tracks.

  133. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    did anybody think to look for the perp in the first shooting in the intervening two hours? were they filling out paperwork, or checking rules of engagement?

  134. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher


    A law enforcement source close to the investigation told CNN a 22-caliber handgun and a 9 mm handgun were recovered at the scene.

  135. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher



    Pervert tried to kill her

    Tied-up Columbia student left to die used fire set by creep to free herself


    Police were hunting for the attacker, described as a bald, 6-foot-1, 180-pound black man in his 30s with a goatee and a scar on his abdomen.

    Where are Jackson and Sharpton.. read the details…

  136. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

    The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups…

    …well, there are 20 - 30 million Muslims in China …

  137. Unregistered Comment by jewells52

    Does anyone know where we can send messages of condolence to the students/faculty?

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  139. Unregistered Comment by smokeybehr

    SoCalOilMan said:
    WHOA!! Someone on CNN put forward that allowing the general public to be armed would have been a good thing in this type of situation.

    The counterargument (from Lt. Steve Rogers, Nutley PD) was, how do the police know who is the bad guy?

    Perhaps it’s the ones that when confronted with “This is the cops, Put down your arms or we will fire”…comply. Even if the bad guy follows the rules, it’s over. I’m sure the good will be winnowed from the evil quickly.

    The good guys will clear and holster on command. The bad guys will turn and shoot.

    Someone will capitalize on this in a good way and offer free CCW/CHL classes to anyone with a VT ID card, and a 10% discount on guns and ammo.

  140. Unregistered Comment by JoeBigsky770

    We all share a sense of shock and horror that something this tragic could happen. . .It is somehow ‘beyond’ the thoughts of the mere regrettable, there are no words to express the depth of sorrow I feel for the innocent lives lost, the many loved-ones that will now be left behind. . .So many futures ended or side-tracked from the fullness of their potentials the cost? Incalculable from any applied standard.

    Doubtless there are those that would begin bantering about that sacred cow, that concept we know of as ‘gun control’. I saw that coming from the very first moment I switched-on the idiot-box.

    We’re all looking for answers as to ‘what exactly’ could provide the safest environment for our friends, neighbours, family and children in a world so beset by violent acts such as the example we have before ourselves today. . .That’s understandable. Understandable, though yet premature and incomplete; It is as an action unwilling to address the all-encompassing issues why horrors like this can occur.

    People may point (and of course, they will) at the “United States” and say that there exists a ‘culture of violence’ whereas outcomes as this are assured. This is where most fail to see the ‘larger picture’, that exists and is not ‘just’ the “United States” but inclusive of the whole of the world today that provides a befitting breeding-ground for violence within our collective, for what nation that has banished the common-firearm has also managed to eradicate violence?

    Rendering humanity incapable of action in every conceivable way provides no solutions for the disease, specifically. All the sharp-pointies you remove from the general area of the mental-patient doesn’t go one iota towards a cure. Few dare go that direction of answering ‘what we have done’ to create the chronically deranged. We jump from left foot to right, desperately trying to stamp-out the symptoms while kissing-off the corrective measures.

    We’ve become a world of mental patients, where the government must ensure our continued safety by removing from our habitat anything that could harm our brothers and sisters. We wouldn’t consider for a moment that acts such as these have more to do with some sick need we bear as a species, creating an individual focused upon the ‘me-myself-I’ rather than the ‘we-us-our’. Singular soldiers that may choose to act with no forethought towards the humanity he or she may harm. We created it by removing from the individual a sense of responsibility in action towards his or her brothers and sisters within the the larger community of the world,

    And no ‘take aways’ will give that back.

    What we should do at treating this condition is to transfuse within the developing being a sense of responsibility, one to the commonality first and foremost, and I truly believe everything else will fall into place. These lessons urge teaching not only at the schools where the developing mind may be so impressioned with the value of the collective but at the home as well.

    At the close of this, the news and investigation is still ongoing for reasons adjunctive to what I describe above, though I think it nonetheless supportive of my views all told.

  141. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    The Frothing Begins.

    Virginia Tech Killer Used Easy-To-Get Guns

    A well-placed law enforcement source tells CBS News the weapons used in the massacre were a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun and .22-caliber pistol. Both are readily available in gun shops across the United States and particularly accessible in the commonwealth of Virginia, which recently earned a C-minus rating by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

    Come and try to get MY 9 mm you Hoplophobic GFW!!

  142. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

    So true. But try getting that passed with Pelosi and Co. running the big show.

    Fortunately, this is a local issue, not a federal issue.

    No, it isn’t. Consider who you speak of. THEY will use this. Count on it. Damn! Sure didn’t take long, did it?

  143. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

    Just thinking about it now, I am still in shock. A gun in a classroom! This is by far the dumbest thing I have seen as a Western student. There is no excuse for this. I do not care that he is an officer.

    And again, I’ll lay odds that if this pos had been in the classroom with the perp, he/she would have been praying for that officer to save his/her sorry ass.

  144. LC ShadowFox Comment by LC ShadowFox

    Why hasn’t Larry Hincker tendered his resignation yet??

  145. jaybear Comment by jaybear

    Mrs. M sez:

    Come and try to get MY 9 mm you Hoplophobic GFW!!

    C’mon just give it to them……..one bullet at a time.

    All of the staff in my school district have already received Emails from our principal and the district superintendant outining how we are to talk about this with our students tomorrow. Seems that I’ve broken the guidelines by talking about guns with my students today, telling them how safe they are in the right hands. I’ll continue to do so, they need to get the other side of the story.

    Gonna be an interesting day in school tomorrow.

    Like I said before…I’ve yet to see my M1 Garand, Winchester Ranger Carbine, Smith & Wesson .357 revolver, or my Kimber Classic .45 jump up and harm anyone. That might be because they are locked up and away from the ammo, but you never know…..them there guns are sneaky critters…probably waitin’ and plottin’ as I speak….

    /cynical sarcasm off

  146. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

    the weapons used in the massacre were a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun and .22-caliber pistol. Both are readily available in gun shops across the United States and particularly accessible in the commonwealth of Virginia,

    I have to wonder what makes these “particularly accessible” in Virginia, as they are the most popular calibers available across the country?

  147. Mike M Comment by Mike M

    Geraldo, The Sultan of Sleaze, just told Greta he was going to spend the next hour tracking down on Live Journal whether “the Asian guy with the arsenal of guns” is the shooter. Well, the bloggers are way out in front of him on that one. Check out the Jawa Report.

  148. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    how can American Culture be involved in the violence if the perp just arrived here less than a year ago?

  149. LC ShadowFox Comment by LC ShadowFox

    Ugghhh…. Watching Matt Lauer and Stone Phillips masturbating each other over what a huge tragedy this is has me about ready to toss my supper.

    It’s like the students don’t realize just how big this story is.

    It’s as if it hasn’t sunk in yet. They still think of this as a Virgina Tech story and not a national story.

    But the most disgusting line of the day line goes, naturally, to Lauer.

    I was in the cafeteria earlier where some students were eating. I was slightly taken back that they weren’t suprised to see me.

    Don’t you realize who I am? I’m Matt f*@king Lauer you little peon! Where is your sense of reverence?? Is seeing a few dozens of your classmates get killed in front of you all it takes to keep you from fawning over me?

  150. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

    I thought the same as many that have posted.

    A point that hit me when I first heard about this, was the discussion on the cop in a classroom with a gun, and how if he had been there, he could have put a dampener on the the whole thing.

    I bet that if that GFW had been at VT today, he would have wished the cop was in the room with him, with his gun.

  151. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

    it is so ironic that the VT police chief is named FLINCHum

  152. Unregistered Comment by fanbladesaresharp

    I think the internet just exploded today. Even with T3 speeds the “tubes” are dragging around dialup. Maybe it’s just my area.

    Don’t want to unnecessarily pimp out another website but if any of you ever read, or post to as I do, at Fark.com it is open warfare with the “gun totin’ nutbars” versus the “hippy pagan peace biatches” going on. I go by the same username there as I do here.

    Been trying to vehemently hold court for the right to bear arms even though your’s truly doesn’t currently own a firearm. I’ll kill an assailant with a fucking pencil if I have to, to save my life or another’s being threatened. Life is too precious for me to give a shit about my choice of weapon. Yet I get taken to task because “it’s a gun and they have no place in society”.

    I have been offered firearms for free from family members but never took them up on the offer as they’d just sit in the closet and collect dust. I skeet shoot maybe once every 5 years with family. Used to duck hunt with my father but sitting in a blind when it’s 5 degrees doing nothing got boring real fast. Same goes for ice fishing. Just isn’t my hobby.

    But I fight for those that cannot fight for themselves. I fight for people to be allowed the right to defend themselves by any means necessary. Gun, pencil, rock, keyboard, warhead, shoe…..whatever.

    What comes to mind with me is the adage: ” I did nothing when they came for the because I wasn’t a …… I’ll be dead before I get accused of not sticking up for somebody.

    I don’t have a gun. It isn’t my hobby of choice. And gun owners never threatened me. And everybody should easily own one should they choose to. I like model rockets and fireworks, and that is being slowly but surely restricted as well. But that said, the right to defend oneself I will take to my grave. Come into my house to rob me and everything within 10 feet of me is going at your head. Hammer, crowbar, screwdriver, wifes pricey wine flutes, the phone, TV….Or rob me on the street and absolutely anything will become my weapon of choice to knock their dumb ass out. I’ll choke an asshole with a 4000 dollar necklace if that’s what it takes. At least I can sell the gold for scrap later and recoup some of the investment. When it comes to protecting life, “materialistic” goes right out the ‘winder.

    ….and I get called a heathen of society, because I don’t act like a “proper” european and “exhibit” violent tendencies when faced with “challenges”. To that I say, eat my ass.

    Cuz when my life is directly threatened, you’re goddam right I’m gonna lose it getting the assailant the hell away from me. And/or dead.

  153. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

    Last semester, I had a student who actually made me fear for my life. Another student (online, but in a town close to here) actually volunteered to come in FULL COP GEAR…gun and all…if I thought I needed his protection.

    ========

    Not that southern Illinois holds any sway against the Chicago “machine,” but apparently the good ole boy Democrats of southern Illinois LOVE their firearms. Too bad there aren’t more of them at the national level.

    ====

    Mrs. M. said:

    That was part of the quote…NOT my response.

    Not to worry. Those of us who have paid any attention would even suspect it! 8-)

  154. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

    That should say, those of us who have paid any attention would not EVEN suspect it!

  155. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    those of us who have paid any attention would not EVEN suspect it!

    LOL…well I was just making sure that everyone didn’t think I had suddenly lost my mind.

  156. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone

    LOL…well I was just making sure that everyone didn’t think I had suddenly lost my mind.

    Small chance of that, hon. We all know better.

  157. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

    And in the country with gun laws

    A man was shot dead in his front yard

    A car was jacked at gunpoint

    A hotel was robbed at gunpoint.

    Two drug murders.

    An armed robbery

    http://www.gunowners.org/op0433.htm

    Robbery rates in Australia have risen 70% since the gun ban. The AIC states: “In 2001 the rate for robbery peaked at 136 per 100,000 people — the highest recorded since 1995.” 13 The International Crime Victimization Surveys of 1992 and 2000 concur, showing that while having had lower crime rates than the USA in 1992, by 1999 Australia’s combined rate of robbery, sexual assault, and assault with force was more than double that of the USA.

    Gun laws don’t work.

    Thatisall.

  158. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

    ARGH

    Misha, your spam filter is eating my posts again!!!!

    [Gotcha covered, bro.  -The Management™]

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