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Just in case you were wondering if it is merely out of malice that us people in the know usually refer to the BATF as the smelly, ignorant bottom of the law enforcement barrel, the place you’re sent if you have a hardon for wearing a uniform but no useful qualities making you eligible for a real job as, say, an actual cop, here’s a bit from a retired Bumbling Asshole TumbleFucks agent:

Joseph Vince, a retired ATF agent, agrees.

“It’s [hollow-nosed, jacketed ammunition, or JHP — Emp.M.] not something that you would need for home protection, because what you are trying to do is eliminate an immediate threat,” Vince says. “The idea of killing is what this ammunition portrays to me.”

Now, His Majesty is pretty sure that 99.9% (low estimate) of our dear readers already know exactly what is wrong with Joe Dumbfuck’s cranio-rectally inverted bullshit comment is, but let’s go over it anyway, if nothing else then just to demonstrate how fucked up in the head he is and publicly humiliate him and his fellow “officers” on the short bus of law enforcement:

First, let’s recap what the purpose of self-defense in the home (and everywhere else) is. The purpose is to stop the threat. That’s all there is to it. It really is as simple as that, so just keep that simple, short sentence in mind. If you have a BATF moron looking over your shoulder trying to read along with you, please be a kind, helpful citizen and repeat that sentence every once in a while so that his severely impaired, cretinous brain doesn’t forget it. Like, say, ever 15 seconds or so. Make sure that he’s not actually reading and trying to process information while you do so, since having to work on more than one bit of information at a time can cause severe symptoms of mental stress in your average BATF agent, including but not limited to whimpering sounds, involuntary muscle contraction, seizure and even death as a result of his overloaded “brain” forgetting to remind his lungs to function. The easiest way of making sure that a BATF agent isn’t reading is by observing his lips for movement.

Alright, onwards and upwards.

The main difference between jacketed hollow point rounds and full metal jacket (FMJ) rounds lies in penetration. JHP rounds “mushroom” upon entry in order to make them stop in the target (and create a lot more damage due to the suddenly increased diameter of the projectile), rather than passing through the target. FMJ rounds, on the other hand, are specifically designed to penetrate, which is mainly helpful when the first object your bullet meets isn’t the intended final destination, such as with a perp behind cover.

Why can non-penetration be a Good Thing™? Well, it’s like this: Shooting a target, such as a goblin, is basically a way of transferring energy from you to the target with the assistance of a projectile. When you pull the trigger, a lot of energy is transferred from the propellant to the bullet, and you want this energy to end up in the goblin. While the bullet is traveling, its energy is kinetic. When the bullet hits a target, it loses velocity (kinetic energy), which is deposited in the object (in our ideal case where you don’t fuck up and shoot the television or grandma’s picture on the wall, this object is the goblin) slowing the bullet down. If the bullet stops completely, the goblin just received every single Joule of that energy. The bullet isn’t moving anymore, which means that all of its kinetic energy (energy doesn’t “disappear”, remember?) must have gone somewhere else, in this case into the goblin’s worthless carcass. This is a Good Thing™. Unless you happen to be the goblin, of course, but who gives a shit about him?

If the bullet penetrates, on the other hand, it still has energy, which means that it only left a fraction of what it had in the object that slowed it down.

JHP = more energy in target.
FMJ = less energy in target.

Now add to that the fact that energy in target translates almost directly into “stopping power”, keep in mind what we learned about the only objective of self-defense which is to stop the threat, and we think it’s safe to say that everybody (except for any BATF agents around still drooling uncontrollably while slapping themselves on the head, trying to get their rusty brain gears moving) now know why JHP is exactly the kind of ammunition you want when defending yourself against a goblin.

But wait, there’s more. Our imbecilic friend, Joe Vince, specifically singled out the home as somewhere you definitely don’t want JHP rounds.

Back to penetration we go. Assuming that you’re not a hermit living out in the boondocks with nobody around, you ought to be concerned about this. You see, the bullet doesn’t really care what it hits, it just goes on until it doesn’t go anymore, so if the goblin failed to stop it because you followed Joe Dumbfuck’s advice and used FMJ, it’ll be traveling along merrily until it hits something else, such as your family members or your neighbor. Needless to say, they won’t be thrilled about this, and it’s doubtful that any amount of claiming that you just followed the “expert” advice of a former member of the single most incompetent agency on the planet will serve to make them feel any more kindly disposed towards you. With the expert being a BATF member, you’ll most likely be worse off as a result, since it’s common knowledge that those special ed wannabes are too fucking stupid to pour piss out of a boot with instructions stamped on the heel. With pictures.

So now you know. Not so much the desirability of JHP rounds and why you should use them, you already knew that unless you’re 75% dumber than rice casserole (in which case I hear that the BATF are hiring. With that kind of intellect you’re pretty much guaranteed a supervisory position), but that the MSM and the BATF have no fucking clue what they’re talking about and that the MSM experts will only be quoted if they say what the journaljizzmer’s agenda dictates that they say, facts be damned.

But you already knew that.

Thatisall.

34 Responses to “Aw Ferchrissakes!”
  1. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    JHP is exactly the kind of ammunition you want when defending yourself against a goblin.

    Which is exactly what I have loaded in my XD-9 right at this moment. As a matter of fact that’s what all our handguns are loaded with when they are here at home, or we are carrying (or I will be when my damn permit finally gets here) The only time we use FMJ’s is at the range.

    JHP= Defense Ammo
    FMJ= Practice Ammo

  2. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

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    special ed wannabes

    Yes, there are lots of people who want to be like me. Oh, and Your Majesty, please do not forget to capitalize

    Special Ed

    P.S. .45 ACP Remington Gold Sabers, 165 grain brass-jacketed hollow points are yummy.

  3. Trooper THX1138 Comment by Trooper THX1138

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    Damn! Mrs. M-ITT beat me to it!

    Federal Premium Hydro-shok for me, thanks. I live in a mobile home park (and will soon be moving to apartment status again), so I’d rather have the projectile INSIDE the poor, unfortunate victim of capitalism stupid goblin home invader, rather than passing through him and hitting, oh, I don’t know, say, my niece or nephew!

    The GFWs I work with on campus are shocked that I would have little compunction non-surgically rearranging a home invader’s internal organs, but I try to remind them that I have things and people that I would defend to the death (albeit preferably not mine).

    As Patton put it, “No dumb bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. You win a war by making the other poor dumb bastard die for HIS country.”

  4. HoundOfDoom Comment by HoundOfDoom

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    “The idea of killing is what this ammunition portrays to me.”

    As opposed to, um, what, kissing the bugger? Look, even if I bought into the idea of waving around a weapon for deterrence, once someone uninvited gets into the mansion, gets by the dog (which by itself is a death penalty offense ’round here), and darkens my wifey’s bedroom/torture chamber, he’s not liable to get served cocktails and snacks.

    So according to this asswipe, if I shoot the goblin with ball ammo, as opposed to the usual Federal / Cor-bon / Golden Sabre loads, I really didn’t want to kill him?

    Well, darn, then. I’ll so miss the nice sharp ‘crack’ when shooting the hot loads. As soon as I’ve expended the 10 or so cases of the evil, death dealing hollow points in the armory, then I’ll get some FMJ.

    I thought about bringing home some reloads from the loco range, but they seemed, I dunno, dirty somehow.

    Wouldn’t want the goblin to get an infection.

    Thanks BATF!

  5. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    eXtreme Shock for me. Very, VERY, nasty, transfers 95-99% energy on impact. Core is made of some magic composite that disintegrates inside the goblin. IF anything exits it’s just the jacket, with no energy left. Also no jagged shards of metal in the wound channel so no chance of accidentally kicking a surgeons finger should he survive (not likely). I took a 150 pd boar with a 230 gr .45 eXtreme Shock. Lung shot (hunters you know what that means). She went 3 steps and dropped. Color me impressed.

    As to the terminally clueless BATFE agent, he’s an ignorant idiot. And I mean ignorant in the southern sense of the word, aggressively and willfully stupid.

    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, sound more like a convenience store. Who’s bringing the chips?

  6. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Cor-Bons here. I fookin’ love them. Used to be that I carried HydraShoks myself and I still consider them excellent rounds, but I just flat out fell in love with the Cor-Bons.

    Mind you, I didn’t at first - lol.

    You see, I was at the range doing my ritual “unload the Kimber’s carry ammo and fill ‘er up with fresh ones” bit, only to find out that they were fresh out of my beloved HydraShoks. In fact, the only brand of “social work” rounds they had were Cor-Bons so, not wanting to run around in public naked, I thought “what the Hades?” and bought a box.

    Now, I of course knew the brand name, but I have to add that I’d never actually *shot* one of the hot little bastard rounds in my life…

    The two first words out of my mouth when I squeezed off the first one were “holy SHIT!”, followed by me being intensely grateful that nobody I knew were at the range that day ;-)

    However, after a magazine or two with me knowing what to expect, I had to admit they were something else. Accurate as hell, and if they punch like that on MY end… Well, you get the drift. Wouldn’t want to be the oxygen thieving sumbitch downrange STOPPING them, that’s for sure.

  7. Unregistered Comment by kfx400

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    I have to agree with the Emperor on the Cor-Bons. 9mm+P is very accurate in my “evil” Glock. And, according to the box, has as much energy as a .40s&w.

  8. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    P.S. .45 ACP Remington Gold Sabers, 165 grain brass-jacketed hollow points are yummy.

    I bought a box of those very kind just last week.

  9. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Cor-Bons are nice but I’m a die hard Extreme Shock convert now. Expensive, but worth every cent. No offense, but they make Cor-Bons look like .22’s by comparison. Just wish I could carry ‘em on duty.

  10. Unregistered Comment by ROPMA

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    All frangable ammo is better than hollow points. Examples are the Extreme Shock. They disentigrate on impact and don’t hit someone in the next room.
    :guns_tb:

  11. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    Being that stoopid has to hurt! It’s completely illogical what he said.

    Yep, Cor-Bons for the Sig! White box Winnies for the range. Wally’s World just raised the price from 15.50 to 18 bucks for the practice ammo. Damn!

  12. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone

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    Now, let’s look at this statement again…

    because what you are trying to do is eliminate an immediate threat,”

    Now, as we tell people at the range. The intention is to STOP The Threat. Reasonable thing to do, right?

    Now, the second part of this is; “It takes more damage to ’stop’ a human that it does to kill them.”

    Welcome to the wild and wonderful world of the expanding bullet!

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Cor-Bons are nice but I’m a die hard Extreme Shock convert now. Expensive, but worth every cent.

    I’ll have to try ‘em.

    And, seeing as how the recommendation comes from YOU, my friend, I’ll have to try ‘em RIGHT QUICK!

  14. LC Guido Cabrone Comment by LC Guido Cabrone

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    I’ve been running these from time to time.

    Lovely little things, you can use the opening for a freaking ashtray, and I think Barnes does know a bit about bullet design by now…

  15. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I’ll have to try ‘em.

    And, seeing as how the recommendation comes from YOU, my friend, I’ll have to try ‘em RIGHT QUICK!

    A little linkie love for ya then Sire. Enjoy!

  16. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I mean, damn.

    http://www.extremeshockusa.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product_info.html&setup=1&cart_id=

  17. Unregistered Comment by Lord Spatula I, King & Tyrant

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    Okay, now, y’see, this  is why I want you alongside when I go shopping fer guns ‘n ammo, O Imperator.

    I’m a techie-type wizard, but certain things like this have to be pointed out to me.  And since I’m going to have a family to protect in roughly six weeks’ time, this is Important™.

    So, Sire…next time Big Town has a gun show…? 

  18. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Woops, forgot the link on #15. :dunce_tb: :doh_tb:

    http://www.extremeshockusa.com/

  19. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Well done, Sire. Precisly what I run hollow points at home. Two thirty grain for the .45’s and two-forty for the forty-four magnum rifle. The rifle round is five hundred FPS faster than from a pistol, so it’s a mean motha’. And besides, folks, shotguns stop the best of all, and don’t generally blow holes through your neighbors house. I want it personal like, I want my .45 round to stay with the recipient, you know what I mean? The .44 won’t, just too damn powerful at that speed. But what the hell, I clean a Rorschach test off my wall. No big deal.

  20. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    You’re on a roll tonight Misha. I love ya’, brother……I laughed my ass off reading this.

  21. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    And besides, folks, shotguns stop the best of all

    So M keeps telling me….but damn! I wanna keep my shoulder! He’s got slugs loaded into that bastid! :gulp_ee:

    Although I have to admit that racking that slide gives me goosie pimples… :smoke_tb:

  22. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Well, Mrs M…a shotgun slug could easily blow a hole in a neighbors house, or engine block…Gawd help whatever it hits, though. I keep 00 around for myself, or 000. Even got some seven and a half around someplace, I’d have to scrounge.

  23. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Well he actually has alternating 00 and slug loaded in it. I ‘m just not fond of getting hit with a slug recoil. The 00 is bad enough.

  24. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    With that sort of advice, it’s a good thing Agent Vince is a retired BATF-Trooper.

    One wonders how many people ended up in jail because they made the mistake of listening to this dumbfuck and taking what he said seriously. I mean, he was a federal law enforcement agent, so he must have known what he was talking about, riiiiiight? If his basic gun knowledge was this poor, God only knew what his grasp of federal firearms law was like…

    Not that some gun dealers necessarily know what they’re talking about, either. I had one guy tell me that the ideal load for my home defense shotgun was “candy-cane,” that is, alternating 00 buck and deer slugs. When I pointed out that I live in an apartment building with thin Sheetrock walls, and that deer slugs at close range would likely completely penetrate the felon and a couple of neighboring apartments besides, the guy said he lived in an apartment too, and his neighbors were assholes, and so what?

    Needless to say, I haven’t been back to that particular gun shop since. The really scary thing? That guy is also certified to teach the Missouri CHL safety course…

    (If it matters, as long as we’re talking about defensive loads: I keep my shotgun loaded with two rounds of #6s followed by three rounds of 00 buck - hopefully my neighbors are on the floor by that point, if it comes to that - and my Beretta 9mm loaded with standard-pressure 115-grain JHPs, either Federals or Remington. If the first 9mm round doesn’t do the job…there’s thirteen more where that came from.)

  25. HoundOfDoom Comment by HoundOfDoom

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    I mean, damn.

    Wowza! OK Crunchie, ya sold me a box. If they work out, then I’ll keep an eye out for sales on the little darlings.

    Only problem is that the local gendarmes may be more than a little shocked at the results of a confrontation with that stuff.

    Oh, have you tried their .223? ‘Shaped Charge’? That stuff in 20 gauge sabot should be interesting.

  26. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    HoundOfDoom

    Did you check out the video’s of them in action? The .308 was just plain wrong man, just wrong!

    The only ones I have actually tried are the .45’s. I bought them because they looked mean and the specs sounded to good to be true. The first hog I brought down with one sold me on them. They are to expensive for me to load up my combat load of .223’s, but for self-defense, I can afford three boxes or so.

    I’m switching to them for rifle hunting boar though. Not deer mind you, I’m afraid it will tear up the meat o much, but a .308, .223, or *shudder* .300 WinMag will tear up a boars shield damn nice (especially considering what a .45 did to one).

    Did you see the 500 some odd pound boar they brought down with ONE 9mm round?!

    I mean, just plain DAMN!

  27. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    If Mr. Joseph, the BATFE goon wants less energy transfered to the goblin, he should be all for Teflon coated bullets. They’ll pass right through said goblin without imparting too much energy, catch the 9:07 bus for Cleveland, take the Silver Streak to Peoria and still have enough zip to take out your annoying next door neighbor. :jittery_tb: :doh_tb:

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  29. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    Damn, one of the first things I learned about firearms i the home was jacketed goes through the perp, the wall, the nest wall, across the street and into some kid sleeping in their bed. Hollow point hits something, does a lot of damage and stops. Hit what you’re shooting at.

    Which always brings me back to “why does the military use FMJ bullets?” I thought the idea was to stop and/or kill the other guy. If FMJ go through without stopping and/or killing the attacker WHY THE HELL ARE WE USING THEM?

  30. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    If FMJ go through without stopping and/or killing the attacker WHY THE HELL ARE WE USING THEM?

    Two reasons Mo, the Geneva Accords and economics. And for rifle rounds, also accuracy. Until recently the technology for accurate hollow point or controlled expansion rifle rounds didn’t exist.

  31. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    And another reason too: A dead enemy is a dead body needing no further attention.

    A wounded enemy on a battlefield is somebody requiring the attention of two or more of his friends, meaning that you’re taking three men out of the battle rather than one.

  32. Rurik Comment by Rurik

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    LC Rurik likes Glaser, a frangible round, with a plastic tip, loaded with tiny BBs. By reputation, another DOA bullet. Remember, it so simplifies the inspector’s job if he has to interview only one side of the incident. He will be happier and so will Rurik.
    Of course Rurik doesn’t own any evil weapons :innocent1_tb: But if he did it would be a .357 Trooper with Pachmayer grip, and it would sit conveniently with two speedloaders alongside, one with Glaser and one with hollow point. When he becomes really rich, he may add a third speedloader with FMJ just for the sake of having the full smorgasbrod available on demand, and maybe some other speedloaders with some of those other tempting choices.

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    10 rounds from a Ruger 10/22 at 40 gram bullets fired every 1/2 second does job nicely also.

    50 round magazines available again, too.

  34. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Speedloaders are fine for competition, fun, extended exchanges, yep.
    But as the adreniline inreases they tend to become uncooperative.

    Ad’ freaks will have better luck than me.