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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Sgt. Livaccari Responds
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As you may or may not remember, we gave a Time article about self-defense the old Imperial TLC™ a while ago, as well as a NOLA officer, Sgt. Donovan Livaccari, who, from what we could tell reading the article, wasn’t exactly too fond of citizens running around protecting themselves with firearms.

Today, Sgt. Livaccari responded in the comments to that post, clarifying what he actually meant as opposed to what the editors at Time made it look as if he meant.

We believe, of course, that everybody deserves a right to defend his or her self and to be heard when doing so. We also know that nobody reads the comments to old posts, so we updated the post itself to include the response. Also, since it’s an awfully (in Blog Time™) old post, we decided to put the rebuttal up here as well:

I appreciate your vigorous defense of the right to own guns. However, I think that my comments in the Time article were misinterpreted.

First, I have a law degree from the Loyola University School of Law and am admitted to the Louisiana Bar. I am by no means a liberal or anti-gun.

My message is simple. If you are going to own a gun, know the laws that effect you and, more importantly, know that if you are going to display a gun, you better be ready to pull the trigger.

If you believe that you have the fortitude to take a life, you know how to use weapon, and you know the laws regarding its use, then by all means, buy a gun if it makes you feel more secure. I am certainly not giving mine back.

Finally, in Louisiana, you can not use deadly force to protect property. You can use deadly force in the event that someone invades your home, but that really isn’t a case of protecting property but protecting yourself.

Sgt. Donovan Livaccari

First, sir, I want you to know that I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Second, and most certainly no less importantly, I am glad to hear that my understanding of your comments was wrong, not to mention that I can’t find a single thing in your response here regarding the proper use of firearms and lethal force that I disagree with. There are times when it’s a joy to be off the mark, and this is one such time. Of course, that also leaves me with an obligation to apologize since, whether the misunderstanding was due to selective quoting from Time or not, my words are still mine and I do not wish to be even partially responsible for giving a false impression of your true opinions. That’s what we have the press for and they do a depressingly good job of it.

So, Sgt Livaccari, I do apologize. I apologize for having contributed to the misinterpretation of your words and I am relieved to hear that you, as one of “our boys in blue”, are not what the Time article made you out to be. I am also, again, grateful for this opportunity to set the record straight, not to mention that it serves to teach me and anybody else happening upon this post a lesson about the need to take everything the MSM say with a large amount of grains of salt, no matter what our doctor might say it’ll do to our cardio-vascular system.

Also, no less importantly, it is now clear to me that Sgt Livaccari is in no way a “birdbrain” or any of the other, er, colorful appellations that I assigned to him. I apologize for those as well.

Again, thanks for your reply.

Respectfully,

Misha I

P.S.: Thanks for your clarification of LA laws regarding defense of property. As I mentioned in the post, I didn’t know. Now I do.

32 Responses to “Sgt. Livaccari Responds”
  1. Unregistered Comment by Infidel River Rat

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    Just further proof that the liblackey myrmidons in the MSM DON’T tell it like it truly is! NEVER trust a reporter! Shit on about 98% of ‘em!

  2. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    Proves what a class act you are, Misha. A thorough and direct apology. And on the ‘front page’, yet!

    Not too many examples of that around these days.

  3. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Proves what a class act you are, Misha. A thorough and direct apology. And on the ‘front page’, yet!

    Thank you, Milady, but you really are too kind. It’s nothing but common decency as far as I’m concerned, which really doesn’t merit praise. Or at least it shouldn’t.

    The absence of it, however, merits enormous heaps of scorn and derision.

  4. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Finally, in Louisiana, you can not use deadly force to protect property. You can use deadly force in the event that someone invades your home, but that really isn’t a case of protecting property but protecting yourself.

    If someone breaks into my house while I am at home, I have no choice but to assume that they are not there to sell Avon. They will find themselves staring down the barrel of whichever firearm I happen to have within reach at the moment. So they can expect anything from a .380 to a Shotgun slug.

  5. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    You said it, Sire: Common Decency.

    Except that it’s lamentably UNcommon, these days.

  6. Unregistered Comment by Special Ed

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    Hmm. Shotgun slugs …

    Lots of penetration, perhaps too much.

    What would happen if someone made a prefragmented slug filled with, oh, I don’t know, #9 shot? Penetration should be ‘way down, with a resultant trauma channel one could pilot a 747 through. (If one were licensed for four engine commercial aircraft and all.)

    Does someone make something like that? Where can I get them?

  7. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Ed,

    What you’re thinking about is what used to be called a “ringed load” and is an old hillbilly trick…

    Using a sharp knife, the shotgun shell is simply cut, almost all the way through the wads and hull, just above the brass. When fired, the entire upper portion of the shell becomes the projectile, leaving just the base behind.

    Needless to say, this is not a recommended procedure and could be dangerous in a full choke gun. It is, however, part of country lore and if you ask about, you’ll likely find someone who knows about this. I’m told it works best in a double, but not in a pump or an autoloader, for obvious reasons.

    A modern interpretation might be to cut nearly all the way through, then “tack” the cut in a couple of places with a soldering iron to improve durability. Never tried it, though…

    On the topic of exotic shotgun rounds, anyone know where to find these? (Hah! Good luck…)

  8. Mope, Imperial Offsetter Comment by Mope, Imperial Offsetter

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    Crap. Does this mean we cannot believe Time magazine as well as CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, Brian Ross, Dan Rather, Rita Braver… Crap. I can’t remember them all. Does someonehave a copy of the Imperial List of News organizations that can be trusted? It’s the short list.

    At least the good SGT got to clarify.

    I am certainly not giving mine back.

    And he has the right stuff!

  9. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    I would wager most of those here at the Rott who advocate gun ownership have given much thought to the consequences of having to use one in self/family/other person defense. They’ve also seen the consequences of not being able to defend oneself.
    32 of them just recently!
    Maybe it’s just me or my mood today but I’m not impressed with the Sgt’s law degree or this snippet:
    “buy a gun if it makes you feel more secure”
    Maybe this has something to do with it. This went down less than 1/4 from my house.
    http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=251991
    If this is what happened than I sure as hell don’t feel secure due the efforts of the local law enforcement. I suppose one of the cops had a degree in psychology.

  10. Unregistered Comment by The Callipygian.

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    Gun control will become the hottest topic in America soon, so it is imperative that we set the tone for the debate here, and not let the politicians try to lead it to their own ends.
    First and foremost in gun control is the inviolable rule to “NEVER DRINK AND CARRY! This rule should never be violated for any reason. If prior to leaving home you think that you will be at a place that will serve booze, and you know in your heart that you will not abstain, you need to leave the gun in the case at home. Never, ever drink and carry a gun. It is the first rule of gun control.
    Secondly, in order to control the gun you need to be trained in its use by a professional. Just because you know where the trigger is does not mean you are able to control it. Most every gun shop in the USA will offer gun control classes, but that is not an indication of their training and skills. The key words here are training and professional. So check them out as much as you can, and only purchase your gun from a reliable shop.
    The 3rd rule of gun control is practice. Just going to the range one time after you have made your selection will not make you proficient in its control. It will take at least 1-2,000 rounds to become a safe user. So practice, practice, practice. Do it until it becomes second nature to you to feel the trigger squeeze and imagine your site grouping.
    The 4th rule is to never let anyone have access to your weapon, for any reason. This gun is an extension of your arm, and you would never let someone use that, would you? Keep your gun controlled at home by having it under lock and key at all times.
    Happy Hunting! Steve

  11. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Maybe it’s just me or my mood today but I’m not impressed with the Sgt’s law degree or this snippet:
    “buy a gun if it makes you feel more secure”

    If that had been all he said, then I would quite agree with you, but then he goes on to say: “I am certainly not giving mine back.”

    The real Money Shot, however, was this one:

    My message is simple. If you are going to own a gun, know the laws that effect you and, more importantly, know that if you are going to display a gun, you better be ready to pull the trigger.

    I’ve been saying that exact same thing since day one. I know that most if not all here already know this, but it can never be repeated often enough:

    Get a gun, but ONLY if you’re willing to actually USE it. If you’re not certain that you can and will pull the trigger if you have to, then don’t get one. Buying a gun isn’t going to make you more safe. Learning how to use it safely, responsibly and effectively DOES. Also, if you’re in possession of a weapon that you won’t use, then you’re nothing but a gun vending machine for criminals.

    And know the law too. Know when you can and when you can’t shoot.

  12. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Excellent points, Steve!

    However, being the nitpicking bastitch that I am, I have to quibble about this one:

    This gun is an extension of your arm, and you would never let someone use that, would you? Keep your gun controlled at home by having it under lock and key at all times.

    If you’re not at home and therefore unable to control your firearm, this is absolutely true.

    However, if you are at home, a gun under lock and key is a gun that won’t be of any use to you or your loved ones unless you can guarantee that you will always, with no exceptions, get to it before you’re dead, no matter what happens.

    It’s a bitch of a problem, because on the other hand there’s no denying that safety rules have to be observed in the home, lest we end up with negligent discharges and the tragedies sure to follow.

    It’s a balancing act, to be sure, and both extremes are as useless as they are dangerous so, as is so often the case, the optimal solution lies somewhere in between.

  13. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    If prior to leaving home you think that you will be at a place that will serve booze

    You should check your state laws because there are places that even concealed carry is not allowed if alcohol sales make up more than anywhere from 50 to 60% of their overall sales and it can be consumed on the premises, and also if there is an age limit in place. That of course means bars and nightclubs, but there are differing Alcohol licenses that even regular restaurants can obtain that would disallow CC on the property.

  14. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    You should check your state laws because there are places that even concealed carry is not allowed if alcohol sales make up more than anywhere from 50 to 60% of their overall sales and it can be consumed on the premises, and also if there is an age limit in place.

    I know. Some states are even worse, making it a felony to carry on ANY premises where ANY sort of alcoholic beverage is even SOLD.

    Which, of course, makes a CHL all but worthless.

    Unless, of course, you don’t mind never being able to defend yourself while going grocery shopping, picking up a pack of smokes from a convenience store, going out to eat or putting gas on your car.

    Pretty clever, really. The State gummint “generously” allows concealed carry, then makes it impossible to actually USE it for anything.

    Thankfully, Texas is not such a State.

  15. maxxdog Comment by maxxdog

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    I know, snippets are just that.
    Like I said, I’m more than a little pissed about that incident down the street especially since I can’t get any more info from the cops. I’m not happy with the constant fuckups I see coming from the people who say it’s there job to protect us and then don’t! I didn’t need the USSC to tell me LEAs weren’t responsible for my safety. If you want to test my knowledge and proficiency, meet me at the range or shut the fuck up! I’m licensed to carry, live with it!

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  17. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Thankfully, Texas is not such a State.

    Hell no! You have drive thru margatias and guns. Ya gotta love that…
    “Yeah, I’ll take a pitcher of margaritas and a box of hollow-points!”

  18. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    I’m quite impressed with the Sgts response, and clarification. Gosh Sire, how could you NOT have taken his statement as automatically misquoted by Time? You, of ALL people, should know the twists they will put on any statement they can twist. I agree with his stance.

    If you believe that you have the fortitude to take a life, you know how to use weapon, and you know the laws regarding its use, then by all means, buy a gun if it makes you feel more secure. I am certainly not giving mine back.

    There are people out there I would not want to see pick one up, ever. There are those who would choose to lie back and pray that all the perp wants is property. Fine. For them, you don’t have to protect yourself(or others) if you don’t want to. Darwin at work IMO. This man has acquited himself well, and I pass on my congratulations for his attitude, and my sorrow for his misrepresentation in the MSM. There are not enough hours in the day to research all the bs the msm will inflict. He sounds a good man, and if you’re in contact with him pass this on. He can watch my back any time.

  19. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    However, if you are at home, a gun under lock and key is a gun that won’t be of any use to you or your loved ones unless you can guarantee that you will always, with no exceptions, get to it before you’re dead, no matter what happens.

    The good Col. Cooper (now one of The Old Ones) gave us a partial answer in “Condition Four” carry.

    While you’re at home the firearm is placed so it is readily accessible to you, but out immediate reach of small hands, such as on a mantle or tall dresser. All ammunition is secured, save for a magazine or speedloader carried on your person.

    Other times, of course, it should be carried or stored in the usual fashion and as dictated by the situation.

  20. Dick Comment by Dick

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    Thankfully, Texas is not such a State.

    YA gotta love this state.
    Sgt. Livaccari,
    We all extend our hands, as well as apologies.

  21. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Also:

    I strongly recommend a GunVault. For those with more modest budgets, a hollow book or clock may suffice in conjunction with Condition Four and ammunition secured in a lockbox.

  22. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    It’s a bitch of a problem, because on the other hand there’s no denying that safety rules have to be observed in the home, lest we end up with negligent discharges and the tragedies sure to follow.

    It’s a balancing act, to be sure, and both extremes are as useless as they are dangerous so, as is so often the case, the optimal solution lies somewhere in between.

    A huge part of it is education for the anklebiters and not making the gun taboo. Teach them about it, let them know that it is there, make it a rule that you will show them the firearm and give them a lesson anytime they want, and it will remove the stigma from it. They won’t sneak in to look at “daddy’s gun” when you’re not looking because it will be no big thing to them and that they can see it whenever they want if they ask.

    It works, as evidenced by my two little ones.

  23. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Hey, where did my comment go? Sire, does the spam filter need a flogging again?

  24. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    6.

    Does someone make something like that? Where can I get them?

    Here’s one place you can find exotic shotgun ammo.

  25. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    It works, as evidenced by my two little ones.

    So true, crunchie……my grandfather put the fear of God into us at a young age……you did not touch his guns. If you wanted to learn, come see him. And we didn’t touch his guns. Folks need to be taught, guns are not toys, for example a twenty-two rifle not being an overgrown bee bee gun…. I mention that because one guy thought it was, his friend did recover after a hospital stay. Here at my humble abode we have no little ones. Three of our guns are in a five hundred pound Liberty safe, nice piece of equipment, guns, ammo, keepsakes, cash, family Bible, wife’s shit, etc…..but my forty-five with four in the clip, none in the chamber, is in a steel push button lockbox hidden by my desk……..readily accessible. She and I both know how to use it. Just do your thing with the slide and……but I have been wondering how I could stash my shotgun…..keeping it accessible. Here in Kalifornia they have some bullshit laws……make that a lot of bullshit laws…….

  26. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    LC Moriarty, # 6:

    I have had the opportunity to fire a few of those, and truly, I wasn’t real impressed. Please stick with standard buckshot (inside, use # 4 buck, outside, use 00). They are selling them because the military wasn’t interested, and they made a few million of them . . .

    The flechettes in the shell are excellent inside 10 yards, but inside 10 yards, EVERYTHING is from a 12 gauge. After that, they slow rapidly, and at 50 yards or so, are moving too slow to fully penetrate cardboard; that’s aside from having a crappy pattern.

    That is, of course, completely ignoring the point of some ambulance chasing whore fine upstanding lawyer telling the jury what a rotten scoundrel you are…

  27. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    That is a really cool clock, LC Moriarty! I may get one of those!

  28. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    Wil,

    Thanks. It looks interesting, but if it outpaced buck, one assumes everyone would be using it by now.

    And yes, the legal aspects are indeed a problem — something people should keep in mind if they’re intent on using rubbish like a roll of dimes or those idiotic “Piranha” rounds.

    Not sure how a “ringed load” would fare in court, though.

    “Well, shucks, I jest did like my grandpappy taught me…”

  29. LC Moriarty Comment by LC Moriarty

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    I’ve don’t have a clock like that, but they seem pretty straightforward.

    So simple, even a caveman could use one.

    (Ducks and runs…)

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    Moriarty and Special Ed,

    Really no need for any kind of specialty shotgun loads for home defense. At any range under 20 feet, even #9 birdshot is still one mass and pretty much strikes as such. when it starts penetrating things though, (walls, chairs, goblins) pellets and energy get stripped off rapidly, meaning that penetration throughout the house is (hopefully) minimized.

    From personal experience, I know that a load of 00 Buck, fired from a range of four feet and striking a 2 x 4 edge on, was stopped cold. (barely)

    So, use a factory load that strikes like a mallet and then introduce the defense that you were as careful as possible because “it was only birdshot, after all.”….

  31. Unregistered Comment by SGT Dave

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    Just my 2 cents;
    I like slugs for my 20-gauge; I use the hollow-point ones. If you really want to just ruin his day with a 12-gauge, get your local re-loader to dice up a HP-12 gauge slug (sixteen pieces is really nice) and assemble them with a bit of solder in the hollow; it makes a really pretty hole in things (a friend demoed one for me, left a 12-inch hole in 1″ plywood). Low penetration, too. I have lathe-and-plaster walls, so HP is the standard for the home guns.
    BTW - Dick, I like that you have the banana boat / Fort Sherman beach club patch; when were you there? And more importantly, did you just earn the patch or did you work the swamp? I was at Sherman 91-94 (I attended the flag folding) and remained at Corozal until 96.
    SGT Dave

  32. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    As a Nawlinian, I’m damn glad to see that Sgt. Livaccari is reading and commenting here. That’s some of the best news I’ve seen since I found my roof intact back in 09/05 (never mind the 8.5′ waterline)! As a LEO in an openly liberal and 2nd A-hostile administration, he’s got to be careful what he says, but the tone and “between the lines” reading confirms my original comment–most rank and file LEOs are supportive of citizens who take seriously the responsibility to protect themselves and those around them. What he says is dead-on–a person entering a La home is a presumed danger to the occupants and may be terminated, regardless of whether he/she turns out to be armed or not. We can also “shoot the carjacker”, with the same presumption. Otherwise, unless you are reasonably in fear of death or severe bodily harm, leave the gun in the leather. These are definitely “know the laws wherever you are” issues. I don’t think La requires me to retreat first, if threatened, and only shoot if an attack continues, but some states do make “who was the first aggressor?” and whether one retreats before going to the next level issues upon which your freedom can turn. Packing.org is a good start. Virtually every state has their statutes available on line through their legislative branches’ web sites. They aren’t as easy to search as commercial versions like Westlaw and Lexis (or horror of horrors, books), but you can find what you need, if you try. BTW, La has plenty of “get ‘em an’ hit ‘ems” (drive-thru daiquiris joints–where do you think Texas got the idea? BTW, daiquiri isn’t an “open container” of alcohol until you poke the straw through the lid) but none that sell ammo–yet.