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One of the senior heads of the Race-baitin’ & Poverty Pimpin’ Hydra™, Al “Tawana Brawley” Sharptongue, pulls a page out of fellow senior head, Je$$e “Hymietown” Jack$on’$, playbook and disrespects presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s freely-chosen religion and the millions of other Mormons living peacefully among us. (As opposed to the Un-Rev’rund Asshole™ daring to speak out against the Muslim hordes seeking to annihilate the billions of humans who don’t believe in their MoHamHeadian MoonGod™.)

“As for the one Mormon running for office, those who really believe in God will defeat him anyways, so don’t worry about that; that’s a temporary situation,” Sharpton said Monday during a debate with Hitchens at the New York Public Library’s Beaux-Arts headquarters. (Emphasis mine—B.)

Of course, once he realized that his sheep costume had slipped down and exposed his furry ass & fangs, he immediately started backpedaling like a retarded, crack-addled chimp in a high-wire unicycle act.

“What I said was that we would defeat him, meaning as a Republican,” Sharpton said. “A Mormon, by definition, believes in God. They don’t believe in God the way I do, but by definition, they believe in God.”

Uh-huh. Pull the other one, Al.

If you re-read that “clarifying statementcarefully, and take it in conjunction with his earlier idiocy, you’ll realize that the Hydrocephalic Huckster™ disrespected even MORE people’s belief systems by saying “If you’re a Republican, you don’t REALLY believe in God.”

As they say, you festering pile of vulture vomit, when you’ve dug your ass so deep into a hole that you can’t climb out, QUIT DIGGING. (Or in your case, KEEP DIGGING. It just shows your true colors.)

F.E.T.E.

63 Responses to “Hymietown Redux”
  1. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    I thank GOD that I don’t believe in God the way Sharpton does. I wouldn’t want HIS god! I can’t believe that anyone takes him seriously.

  2. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Okay, I read Sharpton’s comment differently, but the sentiment still stands.

  3. LC Duncan Avatar Comment by LC Duncan Avatar

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    Supreme douche…. :doh_tb:

  4. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    Hmmm. His god wouldn’t be allah would it? :blink_tb:

  5. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    If “Reverend” Jackson and his ilk are the one path to God, I’ll be signing up for Team Morningstar.

    How this hypocritical sack of lying, adulterous shit who does nothing but stir up unrest, discontent and hatred in the name of a God whose name his every action craps on can call -anyones- faith into question makes my mind boggle.

    I’m not even close to being a church-going man but this is getting beyond the pale. Not sharing someone’s beliefs (or even not being comfortable with them, and some of the Book of Mormon is fairly hard to swallow for me, likewise the Bible) doesn’t mean you get to shit on them for publicity. The sooner some folks learn that the better. They used to teach such lessons the hard way, now we’re forced to rely on the media and we all know how vociferous -they’ll- be to defend and Eeeeevil Republican who also commits the sin (in their eyes) of being a Mormon!

  6. Unregistered Comment by jewells52

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    That was a good point about his back peddling, only inserting his foot further into his mouth by slamming republicans. My God, what a worthless piece of flesh this man is. I don’t see how ANYONE takes him seriously. He’s a buffoon, asshole, jerk, liar, racebaiter, bigot, racist. I ran out. Give me time. I hate that man.

  7. BauerPower Comment by BauerPower

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    Sharpton preaches hartily about “God” but he certainly doesn’t exhibit any of God’s qualities. Sharpton still owes the Lord some explanation for Tawana Brawley, Crown Heights, The Harlem Mosque Shooting, Jew Comments, etc……

    Anyone else think this thug is a racist? I mean whitey is racist, but this putz is called an ‘activist.’ Nope, he’s a racist.

  8. Dick Comment by Dick

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    Fuck that fatassed, little racist punk and the sorry bitch who brought his nappyheaded ass into this world. He needs to disappear.
    Better yet, we need to call for an open season on him and his bullshit master twin, Jesse.

  9. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Actually I want him in front of every microphone and on every newscast 24/7. The more this race baiting crack whore opens his mouth the more ridiculous he makes himself look, not to mention that the more that mouth is running the more often he’ll trip over that slimey tongue of his. Besides…he’s good for the entertainment value alone.

  10. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    Sheep on His right. Goats on His left.

    That’s all I need to say about Pharisee Al Sharpton.

    Self-righteous fuckhead.

  11. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    Oooh…. As a Mormon, when I read that post I saw red. “those who really believe in God”? Once again, he shows just how deep his ignorance runs.

    Watch the rest of the Left start focusing in on Romney’s religion and start portraying us as equal to the Islamofacists.

  12. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Akornzombie,

    As a non-Mormon I saw red. Every left-leaning, mouth-breathing, vacuum-headed, submoronic twit claims conservatives, especially Republican conservatives, hate diverse peoples and have no empathy for anyone not of their race and/or culture; yet it is always these jackasses that pollute the airwaves with this kind of hateful rhetoric. Hey, I don’t believe the same as Mormons, else I would probably be one, but I wouldn’t be presumptuous enough to insult them.

    The libtards claim to respect diversity and preach tolerance yet they are the first, and most egregious, violators of respect and tolerance.

    Play the Deguello, and show those like Rev. (for revolting) Al no mercy.

  13. LC HOGHEAD Comment by LC HOGHEAD

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    BC……..Im SURE you can find one of your famous weblinks to a photo of sharpton worshipping his “god” !!! (pretty please?)

  14. LC HOGHEAD Comment by LC HOGHEAD

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    “Racism as a form of skin worship, and as a sickness and a
    pathological anxiety for America, is so great, until the poor
    whites — rather than fighting for jobs or education — fight
    to remain pink and fight to remain white. And therefore they
    cannot see an alliance with people that they feel to be
    inherently inferior.”
    Jesse Jackson
    Source:http://en.thinkexist.com/quotes/jesse_jackson/

    Any Questions????

  15. juandos Comment by juandos

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    Well its pitifully obvious that good, ole Al isn’t the exactly the Magic Negro… :roflmao_wp:

  16. LC HOGHEAD Comment by LC HOGHEAD

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    What church is Sharpton (and Jackson) a Reverend of? What degree did they earn???????

  17. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Watch the rest of the Left start focusing in on Romney’s religion and start portraying us as equal to the Islamofacists.

    Because the Left would never risk the wrath of their allies in the mosques, IT.WILL.NEVER.HAPPEN.

    Demean and put down the mormon faith? Absolutely. Any opportunity to trot out their treasured “Separation of Church and State” chestnut, but absolutely no worries about their silence or tacit approval of public accomodation of the religion of pus. Mark my words.

  18. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    What church is Sharpton (and Jackson) a Reverend of? What degree did they earn???????

    The church of shameless self-promotion and race baiting. The degree is in Advanced Deception with a Specialty in making tireless self-promotion look like activism.

  19. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    What church is Sharpton (and Jackson) a Reverend of? What degree did they earn???????

    I know Sharpass started out with the late James Brown as a kid and some sort of stage musician. He does not have any advanced or any degrees that I know of. He is “ordained” through some sort of Pentecostal organization.

  20. LC HOGHEAD Comment by LC HOGHEAD

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    I guess Sharpton wont be sending any sons to Brigham Young Univ.

  21. MasterGuns, Imperial Marine Comment by MasterGuns, Imperial Marine

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    Guys……I was raised as a Roman Catholic……..I have lapsed some but I see no reason to change.

    Catholics are also christians……..so are Mormons.

    We both belong to a bit different religion than most folks here.

    Leave it alone.

    Semper Fi

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    Mormons terrify me dude. You know there’s a secret library of dead peoples names buried in a mountain in Utah, and everyday Mormon’s “baptize” the dead people so they can go to perfect Mormon heaven. That shit is crazy.

  23. SoCalOilMan, LC Comment by SoCalOilMan, LC

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    What church is Sharpton (and Jackson) a Reverend of? What degree did they earn???????

    From Wikipedia (I know, I know)

    Sharpton was born in Brooklyn, New York to Ada and Rev. Alfred Charles Sharpton, Sr.[6] He preached his first sermon at the age of four and toured with gospel singer Mahalia Jackson.[7]

    In 1963, his parents separated. He grew up poor; his mother took a job as a maid, but did not make enough money and so they qualified for welfare. The family moved from Queens to the projects in Brownsville.[8] He was licensed and ordained a minister at the age of nine[9] by Bishop F.D. Washington in 1964.[10]Upon the death of Bishop Washington in the late 80’s, Reverend Sharpton became a Baptist, and in 1994, he was re-baptized as a member of the Bethany Baptist Church by Reverend William Jones. Reverend Sharpton was educated in public schools in New York and attended Brooklyn College. He was later presented with an honorary degree from A.P. Clay Bible College.

    He graduated from Samuel J. Tilden High School in Brooklyn, and attended Brooklyn College, dropping out after two years in 1975.[11] Sharpton became a tour manager for James Brown, in 1971, where he met his future wife, Kathy Jordan, a backup singer. Sharpton and Jordan married in 1983.[12]

    Jackson is also Baptist [same source]. It doesn’t say how he got ordained and I didn’t want to persue it any further.

  24. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I have two good friends that are Mormons. One republican and a gun nut, the other a liberal democrat about to get a case of heartburn when she sees this post….. As a life long Roman Catholic I have my faith and beliefs. I also believe all others should be allowed to believe and practice as they see fit..or not at all….as long as nobody else is harmed. Live and let live. The issue with guys like Calypso Al is he can’t. He lies, cheats. scams and uses his alleged religious beliefs as a cover for the rotten piece of shit he truly is. It’s funny, just today the Other Half and I at the range this morning, enjoying a few rounds thrown at paper targets, al la .45. But I considered the religious hypocrites of all fashions and manners, thinking to myself…”I would be afraud to die. God wouldn’t take kindly to that shit……” Master Guns is right, leave it alone.

  25. LC Old Dog Comment by LC Old Dog

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    How come ol Sharptounge has nothing to say about that Lefty Liberal Fucktard figurehead Harry Reid?

    Who is…..waitfor it……. A Mormon.

    :roflmao_wp:

  26. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Sharpton is an atheist.

    He is much more intent on his own glorification and wealth, sexual fullfilment in or out of marriage,,service to racism, lies and ommissions to support hatred.

    Pennetant as a rattlesnake.

    Just TRY to convince me he actually fears any deity.

  27. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I don’t think he does, Cheapshot…but I have no doubt he will…..love to have a front row seat come judgment day, no doubt wholesome entertainment for one and all…..

  28. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    ‘Gonna be a horrible smell..

  29. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    I converted to Mormonism in the early 70’s, spent a couple of years in the church..decided it wasn’t for me and left…haven’t been back since.

    Since then, I’ve had a lot of Mormon friends, and neighbors, they don’t hate me for leaving the church and really don’t press me to re join. We live and let live, they’re great people.

    Now…..what would happen to me if I converted to islam, and then left THAT religion? :ponder_tb:

  30. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    (Or in your case, KEEP DIGGING. It just shows your true colors.)

    Who’s bringing the popcorn and beverages? Until the left (not the it will ever) completely ditches the twin-turds of race-baiting we can shove it up their asses everytime. Don’t forget Charlie Rangel too. He’s always good for a circus act of idiotarianism, whenever he opens his piehole or pomade.

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    Won’t be any need to wait til Judgment Day for Sharpton to implode, methinks. It’s starting right now. Keep a generous distance and bring the beer and popcorn! :devil_tb: :bye_tb:

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    Hm, wonder what ol’ Al would have said about that Catholic guy that ran way back in 1960?

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  34. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Nuthin’ I bet, proffesional respect among womanizers and all that.

  35. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    From a strictly theological standpoint, Rev. (yes, he really is a Rev, unlike Jesse Jackson) Sharpton was correct in his second statement.

    Mormons do NOT believe in the same “god” that Christians or Catholics do. Mormons believe God was a Man at one point, and that any Mormon can achieve the same state. Christians believe in an eternal, unchanging God, and Catholics believe in an eternal, updating for the times God.

    I chalk it up to “blind squirrels” and all that.

    But, Sharpie Sharp was factually correct in his apology. It didn’t actually apologize for what he said, but, it was a factual statement.

  36. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    ‘Zat a “microsoft answer”?
    Techniqualy accurate, totaly useless?

  37. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Zat a “microsoft answer”?
    Techniqualy accurate, totaly useless?

    It would have to have inaccuracies added to get UP to totally useless.

    Sharpie Sharp’s ‘apology’ doesn’t even address what he actually said. It’s just a random accurate theological statement.

    Man, Libtards must hate recording devices. It’s so much easier to deny what you just said when there isn’t any actual evidence of it.

  38. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Look… It actually plays in the hands of race-baiting, over-the-top commie assholes that nobody takes them seriously. What they are is the logical conclusion of a certain philosophy based on certain premises. THEY, ultimately, if ignored long enough, and dismissed as ridiculous, will end up controlling you. They ARE dangerous, and their crazy rhetoric SHOULD be taken at face value. Scum like this never comes to power by open force. They come to power by default, precisely because nobody believes they are serious.

  39. Unregistered Comment by Sir George

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    Off topic gun alert.

    The Nashville newspaper The Tennessean put the state’s entire list of CCW permit holders online.

    link to story

  40. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    MG said:

    Leave it alone.

    :Idontknow_wp:

  41. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    Mormons do NOT believe in the same “god” that Christians or Catholics do. Mormons believe God was a Man at one point, and that any Mormon can achieve the same state.

    DD, I was raised RLDS, and do not remember any such thing from either the Book of Mormon or the Doctrine and Covenants. I now attend a very Bible-centered church and haven’t cracked either of the first two in years. Just to satisfy my own curiousity (’cause it isn’t like I don’t have enough to read), could you provide a citation or two to back that statement up?

  42. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    Just to satisfy my own curiousity (’cause it isn’t like I don’t have enough to read), could you provide a citation or two to back that statement up?

    Of the top of my head, I can’t cite one. There’s a book out there, written recently, about Mormonism, where the author quotes Mormon theologians about the “God was Man” theology. There’s also a Mormon prayer that says exactly the same thing.

    There isn’t a single Mormon theologian who disputes the “God was Man” doctrine. It’s only lay Mormons who haven’t really learned Mormon doctrine who dispute it.

    Much like lay Christians disputing basic Christian doctrines, or lay Catholics disputing basic Catholic doctrine. It takes more effort than the average pew-sitter will exert to learn the basics of ANY religion.

  43. ACLPoo Comment by ACLPoo

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    Sharpton is a dufus, always was. I actually find him entertaining - I feel like I’m watching one of those “mockumentaries” like “Best In Show”, etc…
    The only people he does a disservice to is the black community, and anyone STUPID enough to appologize to them through him (KKKramer/Imus).
    Everyone else knows he’s a racist, egomaniacal ham with a media fetish. Let those who he represents worry about his lack of character and decency. The rest of us can just sit back and watch him embarrass himself. Jackson is a little more harmful because more people take him more seriously than Sharpton (to their debit).
    I watch those two morons preen and pontificate to the news-starved media, and I thank Sharpton’s GOD that they don’t represent MY people. It’s pretty funny watching that not-so-dynamic duo in action. Sharpton looks like what could have happened to Jackson if his mother drank during childbirth. Someone oughtta make a buddy movie with these two as the stars. Like a black version of “Dumb and Dumber”.

  44. Unregistered Comment by Sir George

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    Off topic gun alert.

    The DC Appeals court upheld their ruling against the DC gun ban.

    Today, in a 6-4 vote, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit denied a motion by the D.C. government to reconsider the court’s blockbuster opinion in Parker v. District of Columbia. On March 9, the court held in Parker that “the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms,” striking down a 31-year old ban on guns in the nation’s capital. Moreover, the court continued, activities protected by the Amendment “are not limited to militia service, nor is an individual’s enjoyment of the right contingent upon his or her continued or intermittent enrollment in the militia.”

    That means the D.C. handgun ban is unconstitutional and, unless the Supreme Court overturns the Parker decision, the ban will have to be lifted. Most likely, the D.C. government will now ask the Supreme Court to review the appellate court decision. If so, the high court could decide this summer whether to take the case.

    link

  45. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    LC The Humble Devildog said:

    …and Catholics believe in an eternal, updating for the times God.

    We do?

    I won’t argue that there are “Catholics” (for the lack of a better word, like assholes) out there that are trying to change centuries-long beliefs (trying being a really big key word here), but to say we theologically blow with the wind is a stretch and a half.

  46. Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur Comment by Blackiswhite, Imperial Agent Provocateur

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    DD,
    I wasn’t challenging it. I was merely asking because I didn’t remember such doctrine from growing up in the RLDA church.

  47. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    I won’t argue that there are “Catholics” (for the lack of a better word, like assholes) out there that are trying to change centuries-long beliefs (trying being a really big key word here), but to say we theologically blow with the wind is a stretch and a half.

    Not even a quarter stretch.

    Why is the celebration of the Resurrection held on a pagan holy day, with pagan symbols, and on a pagan calender? Hm? Because the Catholic Church adopted a holiday that was NOT celebrated by the early church to “fit in” with the pagans.

    Why are Catholic priests celibate? Because a heretical priest advocated celibacy to the laity, and the Church adopted it, to take away his converts.

    Why is the celebration of the birth of Jesus (another holiday not celebrated by the early church) held on a pagan holy day, at a time that it was impossible for Jesus to have been born, if the Gospels are correct? Once again, because the Church adopted its holy days to the pagan holidays, to “fit in”.

    Since all of the above are by Papal Encyclical, and, according to Roman Catholic doctrine, the infallible Word of God revealed to the Pope, that would mean the the God of the Catholics is an eternal, but, updating for the times god…since mixing paganism and worship of the Living God is EXPLICITLY forbidden in the Old Testament.

    Once the cardinals voted on the Pope’s infallibility when speaking ex cathedra, the Catholic god became mutable, but, eternal. Quite a few Encyclicals contradict previous Encyclicals…which were issued by an infallible Pope speaking ex cathedra, meaning, by Roman Catholic doctrine, were direct revelation to the Pope.

    Either God changes His mind a lot in Roman Catholic theology (making my assertion of an eternal, but, mutable god correct), or, the Pope isn’t infallible. The College has voted several times on the issue. The Pope is infallible. Do the math.

  48. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    DD,
    I wasn’t challenging it. I was merely asking because I didn’t remember such doctrine from growing up in the RLDA church.

    Didn’t think you were. I was more trying for the “more information is good” tack. I was *trying* to give you the major information that I have on the subject, rather than trying to correct your non-challenge. My fault, for not typing nicer. Sorry.

    I was baptized Mormon as a child, and *I* don’t remember that, either. Frankly, the only reason I know about it is because I listen to a LOT of Christian apologetics and theology. Which is why I can’t always cite sources. I can’t remember them, and I can’t write them down, because DOT frowns upon truck drivers scribbling notes while barreling down the highway in a 30 ton vehicle. Killjoys.

  49. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    Well for what it’s worth HDD I remember hearing something extremely similar although not exactly the same. I don’t have any links handy tho, sorry. But either way both points still stand… A) yeah it’s not really the same diety and B) it doesn’t matter. In America you have freedom of religion, and those who try to put their religion into politics as an exclusive and oppressive force — whether that’s envirodruidism, evolutionism, or even pseudochristianity — are basically being idiots at best, and often far worse. While it takes quite a bit for you to become just another version of islamofascists, after all, the road to hell is paved with lots and lots of beautifully shining gold-plated good intentions. Until God decides man has fully proven His point for Him (that we really CAN’T handle ruling ourselves without Him) and steps in to take over, the best we’re going to get is avoiding the outright murder/rape/theft/etc and other forms of obvious evil.

    Oh and by the way I think I may have to agree with the DOT on that one minor point there… ;) Maybe you should consider getting a pocket minitape recorder to make voice notes? Or something like that…

    RH

  50. TheBoid Comment by TheBoid

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    Humble Devildog,

    I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, a Mormon. The last thing I want to do is turn this into a religious debate, which are fruitless on message boards. Also, I come here to revel in the anti-libtard goodness that The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler is, not to debate religion.

    The first four articles of the Mormon faith are:

    1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

    2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

    3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

    4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Whether others believe that I believe in the “same” God as them means nothing to me. If you want to know about the Mormons, ask a Mormon. If I want to know more about someone’s particular faith, I will ask them, not my Mormon bishop. Again, I am not trying to debate anything and don’t plan to discuss this topic anymore here, but I felt I should represent my faith a little.

  51. LC HOGHEAD Comment by LC HOGHEAD

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    Sharpton’s Mormon history lesson…. Al Sharpton attacked Mitt Romney’s Mormon religion for its racist past…. Sharpton wants to know if Romney was a member of the Mormon Church in the 1960s when it preached that blacks were a different species from whites…. “I believe if any religion preaches supremacy or unequalness, they are not true believers in God,” Sharpton said…. Romney called Sharpton a bigot…. No word yet on if Sharpton is attacking Romney for wearing Mormon undergarments

  52. Unregistered Comment by LC The Humble Devildog, Imperial Scholar

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    TheBoid,

    I completely understand having to “defend” (for lack of a better term) your faith here. Were the positions reversed, I would do the same thing.

    I am also quite familiar with religions having a set of articles of faith that they profess to all and sundry, and another set of articles that are only used within the religion. Theologically speaking, Mormons do NOT believe in YHWH as the supreme god, since Mormon theology places the Book of Mormon as more accurate than the Bible, and the god in the Book of Mormon has different characteristics than YHWH. This isn’t me Mormon-bashing. It’s me speaking basic truths that aren’t really open to discussion, since they’re true, no matter how much someone wants to argue them.

    I was baptized Mormon myself, and was a Mormon until I was about 12. I also have listened to Mormon theologians argue with Christian theologians on the very facts that are in dispute. The Mormon theologians are one of the sources I’ve used in my assertions.

    Mormons do NOT believe in the same god as Christians, nor are Mormons, theologically speaking, Christians. It’s not an argument. It’s a statement of facts.

  53. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    Humble Devildog said:

    Not even a quarter stretch.

    Why is the celebration of the Resurrection held on a pagan holy day, with pagan symbols, and on a pagan calender? Hm? Because the Catholic Church adopted a holiday that was NOT celebrated by the early church to “fit in” with the pagans.

    There was no “fitting in”. More like replacing what came before. For example, Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire. There was no compromise there.

    In essence, it’s more like a theological victory than anything. Besides, do you see any Catholic worshiping the freakin’ earth?

    (Point them out to me and I’ll promptly bitchslap them.)

    Why are Catholic priests celibate? Because a heretical priest advocated celibacy to the laity, and the Church adopted it, to take away his converts.

    Stay with me here.

    There are two different rites in the Catholic Church; one is the Roman Rite. The other is the Eastern (or Byzantine) Rite, which is more prevalent in the Mediterranean. They both fall under the authority of the Pope.

    The Roman Rite is the one you’re familiar with. Nobody in the clergy is allowed to be married.

    However, in the Eastern Rite, men who are already married can be priests but cannot expect to rise above that title. (For example, if one wants to aspire to be a bishop, he must be celibate.)

    This is a centuries-long tradition. The Roman Rite caught on later and became more popular.

    Paul himself preferred men to be unmarried. Read Scripture if you don’t believe me.

    Why is the celebration of the birth of Jesus (another holiday not celebrated by the early church) held on a pagan holy day, at a time that it was impossible for Jesus to have been born, if the Gospels are correct? Once again, because the Church adopted its holy days to the pagan holidays, to “fit in”.

    See above concerning Easter.

    Since all of the above are by Papal Encyclical, and, according to Roman Catholic doctrine, the infallible Word of God revealed to the Pope, that would mean the the God of the Catholics is an eternal, but, updating for the times god…since mixing paganism and worship of the Living God is EXPLICITLY forbidden in the Old Testament.

    Once the cardinals voted on the Pope’s infallibility when speaking ex cathedra, the Catholic god became mutable, but, eternal. Quite a few Encyclicals contradict previous Encyclicals…which were issued by an infallible Pope speaking ex cathedra, meaning, by Roman Catholic doctrine, were direct revelation to the Pope.

    Either God changes His mind a lot in Roman Catholic theology (making my assertion of an eternal, but, mutable god correct), or, the Pope isn’t infallible. The College has voted several times on the issue. The Pope is infallible. Do the math.

    The Pope is not infallible. The teaching is. (Makes sense, no? If a tradition is handed down for centuries, I’m pretty sure that means it will be kept for the most part.) That doesn’t mean mistakes aren’t made along the way. (RE: Pope not being infalliable.) But for the most part a lot of it is pretty solid.

  54. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Oh great, a food fight over theology, with no less an eminent boob than the Devil Dork. Mormonism is a Christian faith, a sect, if one wishes to push a more schismatic view. I do not. There are many versions of Christianity, all worshiping the same deity through differing rites and attributes of the Godhead. Christians and Jews worship the same Deity through different religions.

    Both the New and Old Testaments are editions and compilations - the texts did not fall out of the sky in a definitive version. These evolved. The process is something that fascinates me. There are three distinct texts combined in the Old Testament.

    I have cousins who are respectively Baptist and Jehovah’s Witness ministers. They drive me crazy, but I respect their faith, so long as I don’t have to hear about it - a fact I have made clear to both.

    FWIW, Allah is NOT the same deity, though a monotheistic deity. The Catholic saints are a Christian overlay on the ancient polytheism. This is not an insult, but fact. HDD, you still recommending comic books to students of the New Testament?

  55. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Leave it alone.

    I third that.

    And I’m not changing my mind.

    The more my beliefs get disrespected, the more I dig in believing in them.

  56. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    I third that.

    Heather, I wasn’t “secondingMG’s statement. I was asking him “WTF?!?!”. I guess I should have just said “WTF?!?!” and not have used a smiley.

    :roflmao_wp:

  57. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    Heather, I wasn’t “seconding” MG’s statement. I was asking him “WTF?!?!”. I guess I should have just said “WTF?!?!” and not have used a smiley.

    Then I “second” that, smartass.

  58. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I’ll third it Lady H.

  59. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    Man I wish nested blockquotes worked right… well anyway…

    Humble Devildog said:
    Why is the celebration of the Resurrection held on a pagan holy day, with pagan symbols, and on a pagan calender? Hm? Because the Catholic Church adopted a holiday that was NOT celebrated by the early church to “fit in” with the pagans.

    Iacobus replied:
    There was no “fitting in”. More like replacing what came before. For example, Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Holy Roman Empire. There was no compromise there.

    Snort. First off you ignore the fact that Constantine made CATHOLICISM the official religion of the empire and outlawed all its rivals… of which there were many… including, among others, several varieties of gnosticism… and even a few remnants of apostolic christianity that very shortly had to run for their lives. So sure there was no compromise there, but I wouldn’t exactly consider that something terribly praiseworthy. Secondly, it wasn’t the Holy Roman Empire, that was a political creation of the middle ages, Constantine was emperor of the first roman empire. Third you should read the catholic’s own words on the matter. HDD is merely paraphrasing what they themselves admit they did. Finally, if you think “replacing” what the first century church observed was a good idea you should reread a few key scriptures. Like Deut 12:29-31. Or perhaps the numerous minor and major prophets and epistles that explain many times that Isreal disobeying this was absolutely abhorrent in God’s eyes. Do you really think that He was unhappy with Isreal doing something and then later beams with pride at others doing the EXACT SAME THING? If so, you should reread Heb 13:8, and then I Cor 10:4 (among others) that prove that YHWH = Christ.

    There are two different rites in the Catholic Church; one is the Roman Rite. The other is the Eastern (or Byzantine) Rite, which is more prevalent in the Mediterranean. They both fall under the authority of the Pope.

    Nope. The eastern segment falls under the authority of the patriarch of constantinople. And they BOTH call themselves Catholic and claim the other is a sect that departed from the truth. But neither is what they were even at the time of the split, much less at the start of the roman catholic church.

    Paul himself preferred men to be unmarried. Read Scripture if you don’t believe me.

    I have. You miss the point. Paul was writing to a group of people living in a hedonistic city that left an already hedonistic empire in its dust. A city where every house had blatant pornography on nearly every wall. A city where many had come into the church already married to an unbeliever. And a city that was about to undergo some severe persecution in only a few short decades. There were quite a few reasons to recommend celibacy to that group, but to pretend that advice — and that IS all it was, advice, not commandment — applied to every situation equally is ludicrous. Paul also lamented the fact that he did not have a wife in I Cor 9… saying (by implication) that he had EVERY right to have one, but that he VOLUNTARILY gave that up to better serve. I find it interesting that this is TWO CHAPTERS after the advice you twist out of context to assume that means Paul thought everybody should remain single. Either Paul was schizophrenic or his words don’t come remotely close to meaning what you think they mean. So if you want to follow Paul’s example then every minister should marry save perhaps an extremely hard-traveling evangelist. And that pretty much does not exist today.

    The Pope is not infallible. The teaching is.

    You’ve got to be kidding me. For one, if the teaching is infallible then why would a later one directly contradict it? You should brush up on your definition of the word infallible. It does not mean “correct for the times” it means correct for ALL times. And even if it’s “correct for the times” then you are proving his point for him. You might also consider brushing up on the difference in the meaning of the Greek words petros and petra. Such a tiny difference in spelling makes a BIG difference to the (assumed) meaning of a commonly (ab)used scripture cited when discussing this topic, which is used to “prove” something… but it means nothing of the sort.

    RH

  60. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    Robert, I don’t mean to be an asshole, but you MAY want to research a little bit more:

    B. Eastern Catholic Churches
    The definition of an Eastern-Rite Catholic is: A Christian of any Eastern rite in union with the pope: i.e. a Catholic who belongs not to the Roman, but to an Eastern rite. They differ from other Eastern Christians in that they are in communion with Rome, and from Latins in that they have other rites.

    More than you can ever ask for here:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05230a.htm

    (Pay attention around article II B.)

    While it’s true a large portion of churches split, some still remain loyal to the Pope (while retaining their customs).

    Constantine…was the emperor of the first Roman Empire? Uh…what happened before (and after) that? Chopped liver?

    Catholicism or Christianity as the official state religion? What’s the difference at that point in history? You’re splitting hairs here.

    I’m not sure how Deuteronomy 12:29-31 factors in this (or the statement about “what the 1st Century Church observed”). You lost me there. The specific passage from Deuteronomy merely warns those not to follow the pagans.

    As far as Paul goes:

    I tell you, brothers, the time is running out. From now on, let those having wives act as not having them, those weeping as not weeping, those rejoicing as not rejoicing, those buying as not owning, those using the world as not using it fully. For the world in its present form is passing away.

    I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord.

    But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife, and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.

    I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction.

    1 Corinthians 7:29-35

    Seriously, what is up with you guys who have a hang-up about this?

    And Paul himself says in 1 Cor. 9:15:

    I have not used any of these rights, however, nor do I write this that it be done so in my case. I would rather die. Certainly no one is going to nullify my boast.

    And in verse 19:

    Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible.

    I don’t call that lamenting. I call it glorification—to sacrifice to attain something greater.

    If the teachings of the Church are handed down over the centuries all the way from the Apostles, wouldn’t it make theological sense that their teachings are, for the most part, sound?

    Men themselves make mistakes, but men who are guided by the Holy Spirit do not.

    The evidence thus far considered seems to demonstrate beyond all question that the hierarchical organization of the Church was, in its essential elements, the work of the Apostles themselves; and that to this hierarchy they handed on the charge entrusted to them by Christ of governing the Kingdom of God, and of teaching the revealed doctrine.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03744a.htm

  61. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    You’re not, Iacobus. Oh I’m not sure if you are really thinking very clearly, but it’s not wrong to point out a mistake the other made. If it was, I wouldn’t have posted in the first place.

    So lets see… well first off I misunderstood what you were saying I guess about “eastern rite”. I wasn’t aware there was yet a third group, it sounded to me like you were describing the eastern/greek orthodox church. And for all practical intents and purposes you nailed the description of them. But if there is a tiny group of those in the east that “remain under the pope’s authority” but then disobey his instructions on whether the priests can marry or not, are they really under his authority???

    Well it was the first. The “Holy Roman Empire” didn’t come about until about 400 years later or so. I was just pointing out that you got the names wrong.

    Third, I answered that already. Apostolic Christianity hadn’t died out (still hasn’t for that matter, it’s just rather rare), several forms of gnosticism, and a few dozen other sects that basically ran the gamut of options between apostolic christianity and catholocism. Yeah there were quite a few rivals. The supression that came afterwards caused at least some to bury their books and pretend to be Catholics. Others ran for their lives.

    Fourth, that’s the entire point. The catholics brought in pagan holidays. God said don’t do it, over and over and over and over again. Considering that the God of the OT was the pre-incarnate Jesus, I find it utterly rediculous to say that He didn’t like it then but it was OK 1000 years later.

    Fifth, sure I agree with you that he said that being unmarried made it easier to be spiritual. That does NOT mean that’s instructions for the ministry. I may have been stretching is *slightly* to call it a lament, but chapter 9 proves beyond any shadow of doubt that a minister is NOT forbidden to have a wife. Paul simply chose not to. As for why I have a problem with the priest being unmarried, hypocrisy would be a good start. The fact that it’s not commanded would be another. The fact that so many then molest children (and don’t even try to pretend that’s only a recent phenomenon, it’s only become BIG NEWS lately but it’s been going on for quite a long time) also disgusts me. The fact that these people are not PUNISHED for their sins but simply shipped around to new parishes is atrocious. The fact that many used to use the nunery as their personal whorehouse (hypocrisy again). Is that enough or would you like some more?

    And finally, I’m not saying there was no heirarchical organization in the apostolic church. That would be obviously false. What I’m saying is that catholicism did NOT inherit that authority. Catholicism was not founded by Simon Peter as many claim. It was founded by Simon PATER (gk. for father, which is likely why priests are called father to this day) who was the man who tried to buy the ability to give the Holy Spirit with money and thus lent his name to the sin of simony.

    Your link’s third section does fine in the first paragraph but get so far off in left field by paragraph #2 that paragraph #3 is a joke. And I’m sure it gets worse from there but I stopped reading. The whole point you have to get back do is that Peter was NOT the chief apostle of the 12. The apostles at that point weren’t even apostles yet. They didn’t have a CLUE what Christ was really doing, they were still looking for their misinterpreted fulfillment of OT prophecy which they thought meant Christ would at that time free Isreal from Roman domination and establish Himself as King over Isreal. They were fighting over who would be His right-hand-man once He became Kind of Isreal, not for position in the church. But even if they had been, I bring you back to petra vs. petros. Christ told Peter he was a PEBBLE, an almost completely insignificant little speck, and upon the GIANT MASSIVE BOULDER (Himself) Christ would build His church. Peter was a TOOL that God used to build His church. He was NOT the foundation of that church or even the absolute earthly head of it. If he had been, he would not have been called on the carpet after the incident with Cornelius when God showed Him that he should not call any MAN (not any food) common or unclean. If he had been it wouldn’t have been JAMES running the big meeting in Jerusalem in Acts 15… Peter stood up and proposed the solution, JAMES made the decision to accept his advice. And if he had been, Paul would not have written to the Church at Rome saying that he wanted to come to establish them. Peter almost certainly never made it to Rome at all, he went East instead.

    Peter was not the absolutist head of the NT church and whatever authority he did have did NOT pass on to any of the popes. Any attempt to claim otherwise is either outright fantasy or a gross distortion of scripture or both.

    RH

  62. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    I can’t understand why you wouldn’t know that a group of Eastern Rite Catholics exist. It was the rite that existed first in the first place, before the Roman Rite became more popular. *shrug* My own town has an Eastern Rite Catholic church so they’re not that isolated.

    They didn’t “disobey” the Pope as much as keep tradition that they’ve had for centuries.

    As I mentioned before, there are a couple reasons why the Roman Rite prevails:

    a) It originated from Rome. (Natch!)
    b) It’s a bit higher in spiritual discipline, therefore the reward is greater.

    The Roman Empire existed before, during and after Constantine. I realize that the Holy Roman Empire was historically a political movement later on, so I stand corrected, but I like to generally use the term to distinguish Constantine’s reign from the other emperors. (Constantine’s also practically the only emperor who’s left a lasting legacy on Western civilization—that legacy being Christianity.)

    Buried what books? If you’re talking about some of those batshit-crazy apocrypha, well, there’s a reason why they were disregarded—because they were batshit-crazy. (I mean, seriously. “Testimony of Truth” eschews a “wise” serpent and a jealous G-d? Come on, now. I’d want to kick whoever’s ass that wrote that piece of crap myself.)

    I can’t understand how we “brought in pagan holidays.” All we did was supplant the day it was celebrated. That’s it. Far as I can tell, the only thing I do on Easter is celebrate the risen Christ, not some stupid fucking pagan fertility rite.

    Hey, you’ll get no argument from me concerning the priest molestation scandals. (Most of them true, some of them not.) I hated it myself, being at ground zero. (I live near Boston, Massivetwoshits.) Remind me to tell you some stories about Bernard Law sometime. The man obviously has issues.

    However, you’re assuming collective guilt here. The last I heard, 2% of total priests were accused/convicted/punished. That leaves the other 98% that do good work and have done nothing to warrant the malevolence directed their way. (2% is still too much for me nonetheless.) By that same token, that would be like saying that all Marines are rapists and murderers (assuming incidents like Haditha are true). Of course, I would never assume such a thing as I realize it is the exception, not the rule. No group is without its aberrations.

    Were you referring to the last link on the history of the Church? Well, I don’t what to tell you. I provided a link with extensive, respected footnotes. They’re not out from left field somewhere.

    Peter…was martyred in Rome:

    In opposition to this distinct and unanimous testimony of early Christendom, some few Protestant historians have attempted in recent times to set aside the residence and death of Peter at Rome as legendary. These attempts have resulted in complete failure. It was asserted that the tradition concerning Peter’s residence in Rome first originated in Ebionite circles, and formed part of the Legend of Simon the Magician, in which Paul is opposed by Peter as a false Apostle under Simon; just as this fight was transplanted to Rome, so also sprang up at an early date the legend of Peter’s activity in that capital (thus in Baur, “Paulus”, 2nd ed., 245 sqq., followed by Hase and especially Lipsius, “Die quellen der römischen Petrussage”, Kiel, 1872). But this hypothesis is proved fundamentally untenable by the whole character and purely local importance of Ebionitism, and is directly refuted by the above genuine and entirely independent testimonies, which are at least as ancient. It has moreover been now entirely abandoned by serious Protestant historians (cf., e.g., Harnack’s remarks in “Gesch. der altchristl. Literatur”, II, i, 244, n. 2).

    A more recent attempt was made by Erbes (Zeitschr. fur Kirchengesch., 1901, pp. 1 sqq., 161 sqq.) to demonstrate that St. Peter was martyred at Jerusalem. He appeals to the apocryphal Acts of St. Peter, in which two Romans, Albinus and Agrippa, are mentioned as persecutors of the Apostles. These he identifies with the Albinus, Procurator of Judaea, and successor of Festus and Agrippa II, Prince of Galilee, and thence conciudes that Peter was condemned to death and sacrificed by this procurator at Jerusalem. The untenableness of this hypothesis becomes immediately apparent from the mere fact that our earliest definite testimony concerning Peter’s death in Rome far antedates the apocryphal Acts; besides, never throughout the whole range of Christian antiquity has any city other than Rome been designated the place of martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm#IV

  63. LC RobertHuntingdon Comment by LC RobertHuntingdon

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    I’ll pass on the rites stuff. I really couldn’t care less. We’re arguing over the definition of the word is at this point and it’s stupid. I don’t consider somebody who claims to be “under my authority” but yet disobeys my orders as under my authority. But oh well.

    But abstaining from marriage does NOT make you more spritual. You should read some of Paul’s anti-gnostic epistles a bit closer. He bashed that load of fecal matter over the head with such force it takes a truly determined refusal to admit the plain obvious facts to continue to buy into that garbage. Then again, maybe you aren’t aware of exactly what gnosticism is or why it was the focus of so many of Paul’s letters. If so, you should consider reading the book “Primitive Christianity in Crisis”. Not that the author of that book gets everything right, but he nails what Gnosticism is quite well and once you know what it is half of Paul’s letters practically REEK of anti-gnostic corrections. IMO, understanding what gnosticism is and where it came from is critical to truly understanding the NT. Because at least a quarter and probably even over half of the NT (numerically speaking by books) had at least something to do with combating gnosticism. Many of them also fought the other form of legalism from the Judaisers who tried to win salvation through pennance and works. And the Catholics have the modern day decendants of both. Sorry if the truth hurts, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the truth.

    I’m sorry if you thought I was tarring with too wide a brush on the priest sex scandals. And for those who do actually do good work in humility and meekness, GREAT!!! But the thing is, it’s NOT “over” because more of these KEEP cropping up. And many of them STILL have not been punished in the slightest, just hustled out of town in the dark of night and sent to a new parish. You say 2%. I would love if it was merely that small a number, but as you say even that is too many, and I don’t think it’s that low. I hope it’s fairly close but I’m not holding my breath either. There’ve been just too many scandals over and over and over again. But even if I’m wrong here (which frankly I’d love to be) the entire situation is directly caused by the completely unbiblical teaching that priests cannot marry. You simply can NOT support that from scripture without bending it into a pretzel first and trying to pretend one scripture trumps 14 others. Like, for example, the explicit instruction from Paul to Timothy in which one of the primary qualifications of a “bishop” (elder/minister/priest/pastor) was to be married and rule his houshold (INCLUDING KIDS!) well!! Sorry, but the scripture you twisted into a pretzel in I Cor just doesn’t trump this one. Neither does it trump that one. Each gives you a piece of the truth, not the entire thing in one 5 second soundbyte. And you do not get to pick and choose. They either ALL have to fit together or you might as well go in search of a new religion.

    Again, OK I see what you mean re: HRE. I still think that’s sloppy terminology, but oh well it’s not a critical issue. I only brought it up in the first place because it was one of several errors in rapid fire sucession.

    As for books, you’re right, the ones that got buried (and survived that is) were absolutely insane books… but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist. That doesn’t mean their mistaken followers weren’t cheerfully slaughtered and oppressed… and the believers of those insane books were NOT the only alternate groups that were around. That was my whole point. Constantine made *Catholocism* the official religion of the Roman Empire. It was not then the only flavor of Christianity/pseduoChristianity out there. There were quite a large number. Then there were only a few, and all but one was hiding in constant fear of their lives. I don’t exactly consider that sort of “sectarian cleansing” very Christian. Do you?

    I didn’t say that you observe the rites of the pagans, but you still observe the same days. And there is simply NO biblical command to observe those days. So unless you believe the lies of Simon Pater then there is no authority to create those days in the first place. You consider it not a big deal. I say the evidence of three or four (depending on how you count it) Isrealite exiles from the promised land is absolute PROOF that God wasn’t terribly happy with them when they did it. Why should a being described as “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever” be furious with one people doing something and then just go “oh well, who cares” with somebody else doing the exact same thing!?!? Would you like it if your boss let another employee take money out of the cash till (or in some other way blatantly steal from the company) but fire you if you tried to do it? It’s the same principle. Either it’s blatant favoratism and/or racism or the entire idea is obviously NOT acceptable to God.

    As for “respected” treatises… respected by WHO? Catholics. And ONLY by Catholics. (Well probably a lot of Protestants too but then most of them are still Catholics in everything but name.) It’s like the IPCC report is “respected” only by those whose positions and power depend on the sheeple believing that they aren’t lying about glowball wormening. It’s the same thing. History was written by the winners and those winners were Catholics. Many today simply assume what was written was the truth. But much of it wasn’t.

    And I have heard before that “St. Peter’s” bones are no longer in Rome because the Catholics KNOW those bones were not his. Whether that is true or not, they really weren’t his. They were Simon Pater’s. I know what “the tradition” states. It’s not true. Paul very likely was martyred in Rome, yes. But every single bit of “proof” that Peter ever set one FOOT in Rome at all comes straight out of the very people who have EVERYTHING to lose by publically admitting the truth. You can choose to continue to believe if you wish. But it’s not true. The man who was martyred in Rome, the man who founded the Catholic Church, was Simon PATER, NOT Simon Peter.

    I could probably find you some links for this. I’m not going to. The information is out there, if you want to find it you can. But it’s simply not necessary. The entire house of cards that is the Catholic church in all its malevolent glory is underpined by misinterprising the role of Peter. Without that lynchpin the entire house of cards tumbles down in no time flat. Which is why I KEEP harping on the difference betwen Petros and Petra. You can prove that easily enough too if you wish. If you choose to not hide from the truth, then do so, and then watch as everything else built on top of the supposed primacy of the pope falls down just like a house of cards with a support knocked out of the base.

    And you really should read Primitive Christianity in Crisis. Then you will at least know what gnosticism is… and you will find over time that a LOT of scriptures in Paul’s writings suddenly have a lot more meaning.

    RH