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Thanks to LC Sithette, we have this story about a church daring to quote what the koran says.

Spring Hope — Words like “bomb” and “die” draw attention to the small sign in front of Good News Independent Baptist Church.

Rev. Gary Murrell put up the sign, which on one side claims the message of Islam is “submit, convert or die.”

Actually, it says: “Don’t be deceived. The message of ‘Islam’ is submit - convert - or die. Not salvation in Jesus Christ”, but close enough for journaljizzmic work, we suppose.

The other side reads: “When is the last time you heard of a Jew or Christian with a bomb strapped to their body?”

Despite some in the Islamic community who claim the sign is offensive, Murrell says it is not a hate sign.

“It was not put up there with the purpose of showing that we hate those people,” he said. “It’s not the people, it’s the religion.”

Hate the sin, not the sinner. Perfectly simple to understand, at least for most rational people, but impossibly difficult for the ‘tolerance’ crowd to wrap their ignorant little brains around. Which is why Christians also can’t criticize homosexuality without a horde of Idiotarians screaming “homophobes”, “haters” and “bigots” at the top of their lungs. Idiotarians just can’t distinguish the act from the person, thanks to the suffocating limits of their intellects. Which makes it well-nigh impossible to have a halfway intelligent conversation with them.

Murrell says it is a violent religion compared to Christianity. But not everyone agrees.

“I would really say that the actions of one individual really do not represent the Islamic faith,” said Debbie Jaunich, with the Islamic Center of Raleigh.

And Lil’ Debbie promptly demonstrates that she’s one of the intellectually disabled ones by completely missing the point. Not to mention committing unnatural and offensive acts to a strawman. Yes, the actions of an individual does sometimes represent their faith, such as when their actions are in full accordance with said faith and nothing in it contradicts them.

“The Islamic faith really calls for peace.”

It does?

Surah 8:39 “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

Surah 9:5 “Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free.

Surah 9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Convert, submit, or die.

Any questions?

“It’s sad to see that we still have this kind of ignorance in the community about the Islamic faith,” she added.

It is, but at least you can find comfort in the fact that you’re far from alone in your ignorance, Lil’ Debbie.

25 Responses to “Church States Facts, Muslims Seethe”
  1. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    “The Islamic faith really calls for peace.”

    Lil’ Lobotomized Deb is just parroting the standardized rhetoric coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    :wallbash_tb:

  2. Lady Heather Comment by Lady Heather

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    It is, but at least you can find comfort in the fact that you’re far from alone in your ignorance, Lil’ Debbie.

    Mmmmm, “Lil’ Debbie”.

    Ruining the reputation of very good snacks everywhere.

  3. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Biting their own tail.
    I wouldn’t keep a dog that did that.

    (steps back from photochop easel, thumb erect,,)
    So, whilst explore “offensive”..
    This face is only a little more offensive than the wart.

  4. Trooper THX1138 Comment by Trooper THX1138

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    “The Islamic faith really calls for peace.”

    Yeah. So did the Soviets, under a different name: Mir. Even named a POS space station for it. Stupid State Dipartmenters didn’t bother to learn the actual concepts behind the words. And once again, we see Stupid State Dips…not bothering to learn the concepts behind the words.

    And, though I know most here know it, I’ll just point it out for the few Liberals wetting their pants whilst reading this; both words mir and islam meant the same concept: submission to authority.

    Come to think of it now, if the dippy libby hippys do know this, it might explain a lot.

  5. cmblake6 Comment by cmblake6

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    They, the libs and the ’slims, WILL NOT see it. There may really BE peaceful Muslims. But not if they follow their own religion. Heard ANY speak out against the terror brigade? The libs have been suckered in to thinking if they help the enemy, they’ll be okay when the enemy wins. Ptheh.

    Convert, submit, or die.

    Any questions?

  6. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    Despite some in the Islamic community who claim the sign is offensive, Murrell says it is not a hate sign.

    “It was not put up there with the purpose of showing that we hate those people,” he said. “It’s not the people, it’s the religion.”

    THWWWACK!

    Hundreds of thousands of words by Charles Johnson, Your Majesty, and many more and less renowned bloggers have never summarzied it so well. The Good News Independent Baptist Church deserves to be declared a University of the Empire.

    “I would really say that the actions of one individual really do not represent the Islamic faith,” said Debbie Jaunich, with the Islamic Center of Raleigh.

    She’s right, of course. It’s abhorrent that the actions of one individual should decide how we view a religion.

    The actions of tens of thousands, on the other hand, and the words of millions, and the inaction of tens of millions…

    “The Islamic faith really calls for peace.”

    She’s right again, of course. Muslims doesn’t really want to fight anyone, as long as they’re willing to submit to Islam.

    Heck, Islam is so peaceful that muslims won’t even force you to convert, as long as you agree to execute homosexuals, apostates, rape victims, and other sundry criminals, and live your life according to Muslim scriptural morality. Just do those things and pay the jizya tax on infidels, and the mullahs will be glad to have you as part of their community.

    “It’s sad to see that we still have this kind of ignorance in the community about the Islamic faith,” she added.

    Indeed. Even though liberals have spent the last five and a half years educating everyone while whining about the perils of a backlash of white Christian thugs!

    If Islamic terrorists killed a million people with a nuke in Manhattan, and some drunken rednecks lynched some muslims at Florida State, the media would refer to the day’s events as “The Tallahassee Massacre.”

  7. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Disgusting. If a Mosque had an anti Christian sign nothing more would be said.

  8. chuck Comment by chuck

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    This is OT, but I wonder if any of you have heard about this.

    http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2007/tle402-20070121-06.html

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    But discussion about the message will likely continue. The Islamic Center of Raleigh is inviting Murrell and his congregation for a visit to learn more about Islam.

    Hope Reverend Burrell and the congregation brings weapons if they accept the invitation. Or at least they take it somewhere more public with a lot of eyewitnesses.

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    “I would really say that the actions of one individual really do not represent the Islamic faith,” said Debbie Jaunich, with the Islamic Center of Raleigh.

    Well damn! That’s one very talented individual to bomb embassies in Africa, bomb a night club in Bali, to bomb a destroyer in Yemen, to bring down buildings in New York, to bomb trains in Spain and subways in London…

    Ya just gotta wonder what sort of frequent flier miles this very talented individual is racking up… :dunce_tb:

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    […] like the Branch Davidians. Either way, they are history. Regular or Extra Crispy? BTW, Misha, the last Christian Suicide bomber was a Lebanese Christian who blew herself up back in 1985 and she wasn’t killing Muslims. She […]

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    A delusional moonbat whines: “BTW, Misha, the last Christian Suicide bomber was a Lebanese Christian who blew herself up back in 1985 and she wasn’t killing Muslims“…

    Two questions:
    1) got something credible to back that statement up?
    2) what does that have to do with today’s reality?

    Just asking…

  13. Unregistered Comment by curious

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    Wait a minute now, be fair, Islam does mean “peace”, it means- “once you have been totally subjugated by force of arms and you have surrendered and submitted and been forced to convert on pain of death, then you will be at ‘peace’”.

    Be fair guys.

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    So there was ONE alleged ‘Christian’ suicide bomber. Compared to how many confirmed Islamofascists?

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    […] church in North Carolina is quoting the Koran on their sign. Naturally there’s seething and whining involved. Posted by Ian S. […]

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    Apparently JT Davis, the moron trolling for hits over at Grouchy’s LiberIdiotopia, figures we’re too stupid to actually fact-check his dumbass.

    The first female suicide bomber, a seventeenyear-old Lebanese girl named Sana’a Mehaydali, was sent by the Syrian Socialist National Party (SSNP/PPS), a secular, pro-Syrian Lebanese organization, to blow herself up near an Israeli convoy in Lebanon in 1985, killing five Israeli soldiers.

    See? She was only killing Joooos, so it’s okay with Jackoff Davis.

  17. Unregistered Comment by curious

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    My letter to Ms. Jaunich

    Debbie Jaunich
    Address: 808 Atwater Street
    Raleigh NC, 27607
    Phone Number: (919) 740-5504
    E-mail: iar_dawah@yahoogroups.com

    Dear Ms Jaunich,
    Your comments in response to the sign which read “When is the last time you heard of a Jew or Christian with a bomb strapped to their body?” was quoted iby WRAL reporter, you were quoted to say “I would really say that the actions of one individual really do not represent the Islamic faith”. I have a question. I agree that the actions of one person do not represent the tenets of any faith. But, would you agree that the actions of tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people with the cooperation and active support of milions of people and the sympathy and tacit support of hundreds of millions of people DO represent the Islamic faith?

    Thousands of brutal attacks against innocent civilians in the name of Islam carried out with the full knowledge and active support of entire Muslim communities, if not nations, and a complete lack of any attempt by the Muslim world to expose these criminals or to ostracize these criminals to an extent that they could no longer get safe haven in the midst of the Muslim world can only lead an intelligent person to believe that Islam is represented by the Islam terror gangs.

    Curious

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    like the Branch Davidians

    The Branch Davidians were murdered by the FBI in spite of the fact that the county sheriff of the county where Waco is located didn’t want the FBI involved and told them he had the situation under control. Then, after the murders were committed the FBI and MILITARY personnel destroyed the crime scene and when the same county sheriff tried to stop them under threat of arresting them, he was arrested and held at an undisclosed location without a phone call or bail or an arraignment hearing until the destruction of the crime scene evidence was completed.

    The medical examiner who perfomed many of the autopsies gave in his preliminary report that many Branch Davidian members were killed by snipers who used infra-red and heat detection devices to see them through the walls. This medical examiner was promptly threatened with conspiracy if he didnt’ keep his mouth shut.

    So, what does the murder of Branch Davidians have to do with Islamic terror gangs?

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    See? She was only killing Joooos, so it’s okay with Jackoff Davis.

    They were Jooooos AND soldiers. That should’ve scored Mehaydali some points in Hell. Now she gets to spend eternity with her heroes Arafart and Sodd’om.

    This medical examiner was promptly threatened with conspiracy if he didnt’ keep his mouth shut.

    Many of the Branch Davidian murder victims were women and children. Have any of the FBI agents involved been prosecuted for the “collateral” damage? [wind whistling] Didn’t think so.

  20. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Some have new lives, some suffered “unfortunate accidents”.
    Some died of subpoenas.
    Clinton years, not a feasible comparison.

    Hey shrillery,
    Is Vince Foster still dead?

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    “The Islamic faith really calls for peace.”

    Yes, the grave is quite peaceful isn’t it?

    “It’s sad to see that we still have this kind of ignorance in the community about the Islamic faith,” she added.

    I agree, I think it’s time you read your “Holy Book” Deb.

  22. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Pork chops, anyone?

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    Sign causing controversy and some thought…

    Saw this article here about a church down in the area near Raleigh, NC. Seems that the local pastor down there put some thoughts on a sign that have gotten people in a little bit of a tizzy.
    Rev. Gary Murrell put up the sign, which on one side claims …

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    Hmmm. That non-Muslim suicide bomber was not even a Christian. She was a fucking Socialist. A fact lost on our booger-eating Leninist trollop.

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    A GOD OF REASON AND ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISM
    A DECLARATION OF UNIVERSAL RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
    AN ISLAMIC REFORMATION

    Moderate Muslims are engaged with the Islamic fundamentalists in a life and death struggle for the heart and soul of Islam. We need to form an alliance with moderate Muslims in their historical struggle to dramatically reduce recruits for terrorism. Such an alliance will lead to a Reformation of Islam. The Equality of Women and the Renunciation of Religious Violence are essential cornerstones in the Reformation of Islam. There can be no polite political correctness here. Tolerating - intolerance is no longer an option.

    Islamic Fundamentalists have taken Islam and turned its teachings into a murderous medieval ideology – that the killing of infidels in the name of Allah will be rewarded in heaven - allowing the Islamists to sexually molest for all eternality 72 virgins, in 72 mansions, and 72 beds – that the murder of millions of non - believers is a religious duty, women are inferior to men - their virtual slaves to be denied education, beaten, killed for adultery or other sexual transgressions (real or imaged), covered from head to toe, people can be butchered, mutilated and tortured, barbers giving hair cuts killed, music and movies banned, women practicing folk dancing murdered, teachers murdered, schools teaching young girls blown up, anyone who believes in a different interpretation of Islam to be killed and on and on. Muslims have paid a terrible price at the hands of these Fundamentalists. Children massacred. Grand parents brains scattered all over the street. Men, women, children, old and young. Over one hundred and fifty thousand Muslims have been slaughtered in the most horrid, grotesque, unimaginable ways since 9/11.

    Against these ridiculous crazy teachings, the Western World is intellectually collapsing – freedom of speech is collapsing. Anyone who writes or puts on a play exposing these teachings can be killed. In the face of this onslaught, moderate Muslims are being pushed to the background and running for cover. Western Governments are running for cover. Mosques are being taken over by radical Islamists from the Saudi Arabian Wahhabbi sect.

    There is a disaster that awaits the world’s nations if religious extremism is not defeated. The fact that people believe that they will go to Heaven as a reward for mass murder is truly frightening. It’s just a matter of time before one of these religious maniacs straps a nuclear weapon on their back and blows up an entire city.

    The Pope in his recent speech on God and Reason has shown the way forward. A very important event occurred recently when 36 Islamic Scholars sent the Pope a communication in which they agreed – that in Islam, Allah is – “A GOD OF REASON.” This important declaration - perhaps one of the most important by a group of such eminent Islamic scholars must be seized upon. The Pope should call for a world religious conference on the scale of Vatican 2 bringing together all the top religious leaders and scholars from EVERY world religion to draft a DECLARATION OF UNIVERSAL RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. This Declaration will form the basis of an historic alliance between Christianity and Islam to turn the murderous fundamentalist tide before it is too late. Again - before a nuclear weapon is exploded in the Name of Allah in a Western City killing millions.

    Following would be the format of this Universal Religious Declaration.

    DECLARATION OF UNIVERSAL RELIGIOUS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

    There is only one God
    God is God
    God is a God of Reason.
    God is not an irrational being. If God is irrational then God is not God.

    Ordinary people on the street understand the words – “reason” and ‘irrational”. Any such declaration must be kept simple - not an intellectual rambling on of the Philosophy of Reason. (For a very important article on the Philosophy of Reason and Pope Benedicts controversial speech I draw your attention to article – “Socrates or Muhammad?
    Joseph Ratzinger on the destiny of reason” by Lee Harris.)

    God Being a God of Reason Therefore:

    All violence in the Name of God/Allah is the GREATEST evil anyone can commit. Suicide is an evil act in every religion. Suicide bombers killing themselves and others in the Name of God/Allah – this is the Supreme evil act. The second most evil act is killing, maiming, and torturing others to the Greater Glory of God/Allah. The evil concept of Jihad as religious holy war must be condemned. It must be declared that all references to violence in any holy book/text are not the word of God/Allah but the word of man. No God/Allah who is God/Allah would ever instruct anyone to commit acts of violence against any other human being. Violence in religion must be totally and completely renounced – WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION. There is no heaven for these murderers. No mansions. No virgins. Just the black hole of eternal damnation. You cannot climb to heaven on the corpses of the murdered. If God /Allah believes in violence, believes in killing, torture, maiming then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah but the incarnation of evil.

    God Being A God of Reason Therefore:

    Women and men are equal in the eyes of God/Allah. Women are the equal of men. Women are not valued by God/Allah as worth 50% of men. God/Allah did not create women to be the chattel or slaves of men. Females have full rights in society before the law, under the rule of law, can dress any way they freely desire without fear of death, walk the streets without a male relative escort, do any occupation, have the right to vote, the full right to participate in the governance of any society, be the leader or member of government of any country, receive all educational rights, drive planes, trains, automobiles, fly to the stars, choose their own husbands, do not have to accept arranged, forced or child marriages etc. No man whether husband, father, brother, relative, boyfriend, or stranger has the right to beat or mistreat a woman. Men who beat women are the lowest of the low. No woman can be forced to endure female circumcisim. The right of women to complete educational, economic, legal, and political equality. These equal rights of women in society are very important. Their exercise without fear of violence - without the fear of being victims of Honor Killings must be declared WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION in any such declaration. All references to the inferiority of women in any holy book/text are not the word of God/Allah but the word of man. If God/Allah is a sexist then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

    God Being A God of Reason Therefore:

    There are many ways to God/Allah. Each individual has the total and complete right to find his/her own way to God/Allah or not. Religious freedom is the right of all mankind. The right to build churches, mosques etc. To practice ones religious beliefs non – violently is a corner stone of all civilized societies. The right to change one’s religion without fear of death. The right to freely preach and practice one’s religion without coercion or intimidation but with liberty and tolerance in any country. The right to explore the truth of any religious question, the truth as to the origins, sources, and teachings of any religion. The unqualified liberty to question and descent from any religion and its teachings. The right to condemn all religious practices that violate human rights. The total and complete rejection of teachings of intolerance and bigoty. The right not to believe in God/Allah. Only an irrational God/Allah would order people put to death for not believing in religion or deciding to change one’s beliefs from one religion to another, or believing in a different religion. God/Allah is a God of Peace and Love for all mankind. Any religious teaching that preaches hate, inequality, bigotry, war, death and destruction – that orders people killed, maimed or tortured as punishment are the teachings of an irrational God/Allah. If God/Allah is irrational then God/Allah is not God/Allah. Religious freedom is an unimpeachable right. It must be declared WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION.

    God Being A God Of Reason Therefore:

    All human beings are created equal. All races are created equal. God/Allah does not wish that any human be a slave. No one person is the lesser of the other. All human beings (no matter of their race, color, creed, ethnic origins) have the full right to protection of their human rights and human dignity. To use religion to spread hate against other races, religions in places of worship, employing television or any other medium, teaching hatred to the young in schools – this is evil incarnate. To use religion as an instrument of persecution and violence stands as an affront to the very concept of a God of Reason. If God/Allah is a racist, believes in persecution and violence then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

    God Being A God Of Reason Therefore

    God/Allah blessed man with an intelligence to reason, to explore, to seek the truth of any question – total freedom of thought. To think and reason without fear of jail/death. It is against the will of God/Allah to threaten anyone with death, torture or prison for freely exercising his God/Allah given brain. The human brain is the greatest gift God/Allah has ever bestowed on man. It was given to mankind to purse - the arts, literature, sciences, intellectual pursuits. Its free exercise is the will of God/Allah. Declared WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION. If God/Allah is anti intellectual then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

    God Being A God Of Reason Therefore

    All mankind has the right to freedom and democracy, equality before the law, freedom of action, freedom of thought, right to elect their leaders. God /Allah does not want dictators and tyrants to rule over other men. NO EQUIVOCATION. If God/Allah does not believe in the right of mankind to Freedom and Democracy then God/Allah is irrational and therefore God/Allah is not God/Allah.

    Pope Benedict has opened the way to a great reconciliation of the world religions. A Grand Conference issuing this Universal Declaration of Religious Rights and Freedoms to be read in every Church, Synagogue, Mosque – to be taught in every school – would be the start of an alliance between faiths against ALL religious extremists. A turning point in the struggle for the minds of young people especially young Muslims who are being constantly bombarded by a religious evil ideology.

    Intolerance can never be tolerated in a free and democratic society. Those who refuse to accept Western democratic rights and freedoms, the teachings of a God of Reason, must be cased out into the darkness. Those Islamic Clerics who refuse to sign this Declaration must be kicked out of their Mosques and denied membership in the World Counsel of Religions. All Islamic Clerics who preach the teachings of an irrational God/Allah are evil.
    Written By

    Larry Houle
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