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After you’re done saying a prayer for our courageous, brave service men and women that have gladly paid the ‘ultimate sacrifice’, have some fun on this thread.

It’s way overdue as LC Mrs. M- ITT™, poked me in the ribs about it last night.

I could kick things off with one word, certain to get the Rottie Keyboards O’ Doom, going.

ROSIE !!!!

Have at it Pups, mind your fingers though.

-JB

217 Responses to “Open Thread !!!!”
  1. workinwifdakids Comment by workinwifdakids

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    TRAITEROUS WHORE!

    Oh, wait - you mean this isn’t free association?

  2. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    “free association” - lol

    My ire this weekend is directed at Edwards:

    http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/05/26/edwards-encourages-memorial-day-protests/#more-2010

    His own egocentric election aspirations are NOT what Memorial Day is for!

  3. Iacobus Comment by Iacobus

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    Ahh. Rosie O’Donnell. Like I mentioned in the other post, it looks like liberals only seem to care about Iraqi civilians when we free them from absolute tyranny. Otherwise, they couldn’t care less.

    And don’t get me started on Donald Trump. (Has anyone told the man to seek professional help concerning his hair?) The man obviously thinks he’s a fucking genius. Misha was right when he said he and Rosie O’Donnell deserved each other.

  4. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    One more thing, since this is an ‘open mike’ day and so many here are appreciative of a good troll bashing:

    Life is hard. It’s harder if you’re stupid. Your life must be positively granitelike.

    That’s part of a righteous pummeling in the comments to a mensch going by ‘Realist’ on this post:http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/05/army_chief_warr.html#comments

    Subsunk (and Rich and LPierson) hands him his teeth in a facts-based, fast-paced return volley that was an excellent and thought-provoking read. I loved how they included a smack-down to one commenter who claimed that our soldiers must ‘hate America’. Grrrr….

    Thanks, you three, and thanks JB, for a chance to vent. And as ALWAYS, to Our Noble Host, for a venue at which to do so. “Long live the Emperor!”

  5. LC#2112 Comment by LC#2112

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    As tempting as the offer of a free thread is, I just can’t bring myself to type that communist manatee’s name. Kucking funt….

  6. AldineConservative Comment by AldineConservative

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    Donald Trump should have gotten has hair shaved in that wrestling deal….I mean his toupee pulled off. :)

  7. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    Hmmmm….. Rosie O’Donnell. The only thing I have to say is that I wish I could put a .303 round into that hideous overpaid sows head and do the world a favor.

    And while I’m at it, any members of the MSM that happen to be in range.

  8. Zucca Fett Comment by Zucca Fett

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    What is there to talk about? I don’t care for her, about her or regarding her.

    She is dead to me already, so anything she does or says will be postmortum and therefor be unable to reach my mind.

    Her words will get lost in my ear canal, turn around and vacate.

    One way or another though, I just don’t care enough about Rosie to say much other then agree with Misha and Jackie Mason about her. Being fat, and a lesbian, and a celebrity does not make her an expert on anything other than being fat, being a lesbian and being a celebrity.

    Emphasis on celebrity. She knows how to get publicity. And what better way to get it then to hop on a Libtard bandwagon?

    Anyway, that’s all I’m gonna spare her in terms of words.

  9. Unregistered Comment by predator

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    I thought someone shot Rosie down in Alambama..

    Oh wait. That was Hogzilla, not Lezilla.

  10. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Arrghhh- Y’all are missing the point, or at least some of my great LC readers.

    Rosie was just a catalyst for mayhem, not a direction or target. Very dry and convenient kindling to get the pack up and running.

    It’s an OPEN THREAD !!!. It has been too long.

    Beth* A has the idea, in fact I almost made that little gem a topical post of it’s own. Good on ya’ for tossing that one out Sis !!!

  11. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Rosie O’Fatass… I wonder: if I ran her over with one of these
    what would sustain more damage–my ride or her amorphous bloated carcass?

  12. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    An open thread…..thanks JB. I wrote this two years ago, after a Memorial Day ceremeny here in town…. It remains applicable today. Fo even as I have to work tomorrow, come Monday I will be standing on our local cemetery, paying my respects as I always do….

    To my fellow Rotties I can only say this…..
    Remember…with all your hearts and souls remember…..
    Those that gave everything….. so we could have something…..
    Of those cretins hating all we stand for and believe, fear them not. It was not such as that that built this nation, they crawled up their own assholes and died long ago……just beware the deceit.
    But for those having given all they had, so much it can only be given once….
    For an ideal, a place and a people…………one they will never know.
    America………..
    I wrote this several years ago, it remains applicable…and always will.
    I have a service to attend soon….take care and thank you.
    Kent

    I sit subdued…hello folks;
    Emotionally such as a wrung out dish rag, I sit subdued.
    I would like to share this with you……
    As I prepared to dress for the Memorial…..pondering, what to wear?
    After all, this is a Baptist church.
    I chose a striped red and white shirt, along with new blue jeans.
    And my blue ball cap….
    On the way out, remembering, grabbing the colors, flying them in front of my home.
    Departing, loping along towards our destination some half mile distant.
    Turning left, noting the full dress veterans standing by the entrance, this American man and his American wife parked their American truck in front of an American church.
    I heard a voice, “Hey! I was hoping you would come!”
    Turning, recognizing one of these men, the old Marine I spoke with just last week, donating twenty bucks for disabled vets, acknowledging my respect for the Corps.
    Smiling, he took my hand…”Thank you for coming! Step inside, it’s all in there.”
    That proved to be an understatement, but I knew I belonged.
    Removing my hat, stuffing it in a back pocket, stepping forward inside the church.
    What a pretty place, tasteful, yet not ostentatious at all. Very quiet and dignified.
    The wife and I took a pew in the back, immediately in front of the honor guard.
    Quietly, we waited, soaking up the ambiance, admiring the artwork.
    Then I picked up a program, Old Glory covering the front.
    To open it…….
    Suddenly the cadence of drumbeats, slowly the honor guard from Dos Palos High School marched down the aisle, saluting the Veterans of Foreign Wars seated behind us, pausing in front of the flags up front, finally taking their own seats.
    The Pastor, an older, dignified gentleman, approached the podium, the congregation silent.
    Smiling “I’m glad you all came. Seems we have a full house. Would you all stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?”
    As a unit, we stood, placing my hand over my heart……one voice, from one people..
    “I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
    Of the United States of America.
    And to the republic, for which it stands;
    One nation, under God,
    Indivisible,
    With liberty and justice for all.”
    The Pastor again, “Please remain standing, join me in the first stanza of our National Anthem.
    We did.
    Again, one voice from one people….slowly the last words fading to silence.
    “Please be seated.”
    Suddenly kids, lots of kids, aged from about eight to twelve, helter-skelter, seeking to form a single rank at the front of the church.
    “The children of Emmanuel will now share, This is my country.”
    I looked at these kids, black, white, brown, red and Asian.
    American kids……
    One child opened, voice quavering…..a second took over, performing her piece, a third……then all at once….the chorus.
    “Thiiiiiiis….iiiiiiis…..myyyyyyy.. country, laaaaand of my own….”
    Spontaneous, thunderous applause broke out.
    My eyes filled with tears.
    I’m a total wuss about these things.
    The wife smiled. She once told me everybody needs a soft spot, noting how I was harder than flint when angered, precisely focused on a target, calmly filled with an imperative, never deviating or relenting.
    But she is right, we all need one……
    There is indeed hope….in a humble house of God.
    Every child played a part, sang their piece, and all shared the chorus three times, voices loud, proud and strong……
    I wiped my eyes with my hat.
    Again, rousing applause, one woman standing, followed by a man, and yet another, ’till all of us stood clapping and cheering on these kids.
    Calm reigned. The Pastor again…
    “I would like to welcome our state assembly woman Barbara Matthews, she has some words for us. Barbara….”
    She spoke of sacrifice and pain, despair and joy, sorrow and sadness.
    She spoke of the officiation of a funeral of a young vet killed in Iraq, a citizen of her district.
    “I never want to do that again…….the faces of his friends and family.”
    “But I will if called upon.”
    “As did they.”
    She then thanked us and took her seat.
    The Pastor rose, “Would you now join me in singing, My country, ’tis of thee…”
    Somehow…… powerful and poignant at this time.
    Again……one people, one voice.
    After all, it is ouuuuurrrrrr country…..
    Another man took the podium, introducing himself as an educational administrator here in Dog Patch. He began……
    “There is another group of people seldom mentioned or remembered. They served their country, returning home to a life of toil and labor, all quite often because they had not completed their education, deferring it to serve their country. Somehow, in all the rush, a job was found, a family started, the education forgotten.”
    Continuing…..
    “We have a program here in this school district to help these men. I have here two high school diplomas earned by two individuals sitting in this church….I would like to take this moment to present them now…..”
    “Would Mr. Garcia, A Vietnam vet, please step forward?”
    A man a little older than I slowly stood, tentatively stepping to the aisle, then stepping forward……”
    “By the power vested in me by the State of California I now present to you your diploma as a graduate of Dos Palos High School.”
    Ringing applause filled the church…….. but you could have heard a pin drop thirty seconds later….
    A brief introduction from the administrator, “The next graduate went to war in World War Two, leaving high school in his senior year to serve his country and protect his family. Upon his return he fathered a family and has toiled in the fields for the rest of his working life.”
    “Mr. Ramirez? Would you please….?”
    Like I say……a pin.
    A very old man, very old, struggled to his feet two pews in front of us. Hand on a rail, he was handed a set of walking crutches, the kind with a horizontal grip for your hand, wrap around your wrist with one pole extending to the floor.
    Trembling, one pole to the aisle, a foot gently extended……pausing, the other brace extended, trembling with the effort, sliding the other foot, standing in the aisle.
    Oh my Gawd! I don’t believe this!
    A journey of perhaps twenty feet……and sixty years.
    Shaking, pausing, one small step at a time, an endless trek for a seemingly redundant goal……….but I found myself admiring and loving this man.
    “Mr. Ramirez, by the power vested in me……..”
    We afforded him the dignity of silence as he returned to his seat, diploma tightly clenched in his left hand.
    The Pastor, wiping his eyes, “Would you all now join me in America the beautiful, first and last stanza?”
    Somehow she never seemed more beautiful than she did right then.
    We put our hearts and lungs into this one.
    “Now it is time to ask of those with loved ones serving to please let us know who you are.”
    We sat silent as a large box of big candles was opened.
    The woman doing needlepoint down the pew from us….
    “I have two grandsons serving in Iraq, one on the front lines, the other right behind him.”
    “My daughter just graduated from basic training at Lackland Air Force base.”
    The list was long.
    Finally, the box, empty, having served it purpose, was set aside.
    “And finally, we have remembered those serving, those forgotten and those who paid the ultimate price for our freedoms. Yet one group remains…….”
    “Would any honorably discharged veterans having served in the armed forces please stand up?”
    Oh noooooooo! I didn’t come here for this!
    The Other Half looked at me.
    I stood up.
    Along with about ten other guys.
    We were applauded.
    I sat down, shaken.
    Another pastor took the podium…
    “The price of freedom?”
    “In a word, costly.”
    He then listed numbers, big numbers.
    People dead.
    And wounded or crippled.
    Civilians killed, caught in the cross fire.
    “Millions of dead, trillions of dollars……….in a word, costly.”
    “We are now involved in a conflict where our very faith and values are under assault, from enemies both without and within. There are those caring little or nothing for our values or our faith, preferring instead to attack us. There are those seeking to simply ignore all going on and get on with their lives. There are those that hate God, using support for our enemies as a method of attacking us. There remain also those claiming our beliefs and values yet not implementing them in their daily lives.”
    Oh yeah, the part time Christians. Use it enough to ease their conscience, but never enough to guide their lives……ohhhhh yeah!
    I did feel anger then, a quiet, firm resolve. I viewed the message of love and brotherhood here, contrasting that to the rude cacophony of our detractors, their words hollow, humanistic and barren. In truth meriting little but pity.
    The voice in my mind….They will not prevail, Kent, not in the long haul. No…
    I listened. The message of belief and faith, dignity and calm. I needed to hear that too.
    But his point was made……
    And well taken.
    A group, a choir formed in front of us…..
    The Battle hymn of the Republic…..one of my favorites.
    The Pastor again, “It is time, please remain seated for the offering, then wait for the color guard to exit, followed by the salute and Taps.
    I coughed up a fiver…..
    Then stood silently at parade rest as the colors departed, followed by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
    Standing quietly, hearing the words…..
    “Preeeeesent harms!”
    “Shouldeeeeerr harms!”
    Suddenly the silence shattered by seven M1 Garands thundering out their message, not one of anger and defiance, but rather of respect, salutation and gratitude.
    Three times…….
    Thanks, Dad.
    Thanks, Josh….
    And God knows how many others…..
    The quiet, somber tones of Taps crept into the church, silencing us, heads bowed, thoughts our own…..
    Then we realized it was over….
    Or in truth has it only begun?????
    I still sit here quiet…and subdued.
    I’m glad I went.
    I will do so again next year.
    I will do so tomorrow at eleven at the cemetery…..
    This is ouuuurrrr country!
    I will do everything in my power to defend her, and my Christian heritage.
    I remember the words so well….I do solemnly swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help me God.
    She means so much more to me now than when I was young…….
    You know, it really got to me writing this, but I had to share it with somebody.
    Thanks.
    Sincerely,
    Kent

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    I, personally, got tired of trying to bash trolls with facts. They’re immune to reality. Insults are pretty much all they deserve.

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    Via Babalublog we give you the Deck of Weasles http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nmstore/weaselposter.htm

  15. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Jackboot, I am just warming up. I am on my first cup of coffee, so gimme a break.

  16. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Sweet! Re: Azygos’ link.

  17. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Since this is an open thread, I have a request for all LCs. In about 7-8 months I will want to purchase a Hummer H-1, in decent condition. Please keep your eyes open and shoot me e-mails or just leave comments on my blog if you see one for sale. Driving to pick it up is not a problem.

  18. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    with apologies to Jackboot,

    re: rosie o’assmaster

    I’m reminded of the story about the wife of a friend of mine. Seems that they had a varmint problem in their yard, a mountain beaver (yes there is such a thing) was coming in and eating all of their expensive landscaping. Well, they trapped it and set it loose miles away and the problem was solved.

    …or so it seemed…

    this woman was at work telling her co-workers about the varmint, another employee who is a lesbian came in late to the conversation and overheard the term “mountin’ beaver”…..see where I’m going with this?… she took great interest in the topic, and I guess she outed herself in front of everyone at that point. Once the realization occurred that they were talking about an animal…and not about mountin’ a beaver, she stalked off saying something about sexual harrassment and such….

    from what this woman told my wife and me, this over-sensitive varmint no longer works there. Maybe they trapped her and sent her up to the hills to….to…oh hell, YOU guys fill in the blanks.

    my apologies to the ladies for using the vulgar term for a certain part of your anatomy, but the story couldn’t be told without it.

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    Since I do not care about rosie, I will say only this to service members past and present-THANK THANKS THANKS AND MORE THANKS. Ignore what amnesty international said. We are NOT perfect, but we certainly are not the worst human rights abusers by a LONG shot.

  20. kepiblanc Comment by kepiblanc

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    As a regular, but very ignorant reader of this blog, just a question : what does “LC & IB” stand for ?

  21. Merc Comment by Merc

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    I know this is kind of a repost but here goes.
    Here is a photoessay about a gorebal warming convention in Marin.
    And here are some photoshops of the pictures.
    Hope you guys like them and haven’t already seen them a hundred times.

    (My photoshop is Here)
    the same link is also in the comments of “From the Department of Zing”

  22. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Oh yeah and rosy is a humongous, fat insult to humanity and animals and cells in general.
    So I don’t want to call her anything because it will only degrade whatever I call her.

  23. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    kepiblanc

    LC stands for Loyal Citizen (of this here site)

    IB stands for Internet Blogger (I think)

    Hey sir, you’re an LC ya’ know

  24. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    To my fellow Rotties I can only say this…..
    Remember…with all your hearts and souls remember…..
    Those that gave everything….. so we could have something…..
    Of those cretins hating all we stand for and believe, fear them not. It was not such as that that built this nation, they crawled up their own assholes and died long ago……just beware the deceit.
    But for those having given all they had, so much it can only be given once….
    For an ideal, a place and a people…………one they will never know.
    America………..
    I write this several years ago, it remains applicable…and always will.
    I have a service to attend soon….take care and thank you.
    Kent

    I sit subdued…hello folks;
    Emotionally such as a wrung out dish rag, I sit subdued.
    I would like to share this with you……
    As I prepared to dress for the Memorial…..pondering, what to wear?
    After all, this is a Baptist church.
    I chose a striped red and white shirt, along with new blue jeans.
    And my blue Sherwin-Williams hat….
    On the way out, remembering, grabbing the colors, flying them in front of my home.
    Departing, loping along towards our destination some half mile distant.
    Turning left, noting the full dress veterans standing by the entrance, this American man and his American wife parked their American truck in front of an American church.
    I heard a voice, “Hey! I was hoping you would come!”
    Turning, recognizing one of these men, the old Marine I spoke with just last week, donating five bucks for disabled vets, acknowledging my respect for the Corps.
    Smiling, he took my hand…”Thank you for coming! Step inside, it’s all in there.”
    That proved to be an understatement, but I knew I belonged.
    Removing my hat, stuffing it in a back pocket, stepping forward inside the church.
    What a pretty place, tasteful, yet not ostentatious at all. Very quiet and dignified.
    The wife and I took a pew in the back, immediately in front of the honor guard.
    Quietly, we waited, soaking up the ambiance, admiring the artwork.
    Then I picked up a program, Old Glory covering the front.
    To open it…….
    Suddenly the cadence of drumbeats, slowly the honor guard from Dos Palos High School marched down the aisle, saluting the Veterans of Foreign Wars seated behind us, pausing in front of the flags up front, finally taking their own seats.
    The Pastor, an older, dignified gentleman, approached the podium, the congregation silent.
    Smiling “I’m glad you all came. Seems we have a full house. Would you all stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?”
    As a unit, we stood, placing my hand over my heart……one voice, from one people..
    “I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
    Of the United States of America.
    And to the republic, for which it stands;
    One nation, under God,
    Indivisible,
    With liberty and justice for all.”
    The Pastor again, “Please remain standing, join me in the first stanza of our National Anthem.
    We did.
    Again, one voice from one people….slowly the last words fading to silence.
    “Please be seated.”
    Suddenly kids, lots of kids, aged from about eight to twelve, helter-skelter, seeking to form a single rank at the front of the church.
    “The children of Emmanuel will now share, This is my country.”
    I looked at these kids, black, white, brown, red and Asian.
    American kids……
    One child opened, voice quavering…..a second took over, performing her piece, a third……then all at once….the chorus.
    “Thiiiiiiis….iiiiiiis…..myyyyyyy.. country, laaaaand of my own….”
    Spontaneous, thunderous applause broke out.
    My eyes filled with tears.
    I’m a total wuss about these things.
    The wife smiled. She once told me everybody needs a soft spot, noting how I was harder than flint when angered, precisely focused on a target, calmly filled with an imperative, never deviating or relenting.
    But she is right, we all need one……
    There is indeed hope….in a humble house of God.
    Every child played a part, sang their piece, and all shared the chorus three times, voices loud, proud and strong……
    I wiped my eyes with my hat.
    Again, rousing applause, one woman standing, followed by a man, and yet another, ’till all of us stood clapping and cheering on these kids.
    Calm reigned. The Pastor again…
    “I would like to welcome our state assembly woman Barbara Matthews, she has some words for us. Barbara….”
    She spoke of sacrifice and pain, despair and joy, sorrow and sadness.
    She spoke of the officiation of a funeral of a young vet killed in Iraq, a citizen of her district.
    “I never want to do that again…….the faces of his friends and family.”
    “But I will if called upon.”
    “As did they.”
    She then thanked us and took her seat.
    The Pastor rose, “Would you now join me in singing, My country, ’tis of thee…”
    Somehow…… powerful and poignant at this time.
    Again……one people, one voice.
    After all, it is ouuuuurrrrrr country…..
    Another man took the podium, introducing himself as an educational administrator here in Dog Patch. He began……
    “There is another group of people seldom mentioned or remembered. They served their country, returning home to a life of toil and labor, all quite often because they had not completed their education, deferring it to serve their country. Somehow, in all the rush, a job was found, a family started, the education forgotten.”
    Continuing…..
    “We have a program here in this school district to help these men. I have here two high school diplomas earned by two individuals sitting in this church….I would like to take this moment to present them now…..”
    “Would Mr. Garcia, A Vietnam vet, please step forward?”
    A man a little older than I slowly stood, tentatively stepping to the aisle, then stepping forward……”
    “By the power vested in me by the State of California I now present to you your diploma as a graduate of Dos Palos High School.”
    Ringing applause filled the church…….. but you could have heard a pin drop thirty seconds later….
    A brief introduction from the administrator, “The next graduate went to war in World War Two, leaving high school in his senior year to serve his country and protect his family. Upon his return he fathered a family and has toiled in the fields for the rest of his working life.”
    “Mr. Ramirez? Would you please….?”
    Like I say……a pin.
    A very old man, very old, struggled to his feet two pews in front of us. Hand on a rail, he was handed a set of walking crutches, the kind with a horizontal grip for your hand, wrap around your wrist with one pole extending to the floor.
    Trembling, one pole to the aisle, a foot gently extended……pausing, the other brace extended, trembling with the effort, sliding the other foot, standing in the aisle.
    Oh my Gawd! I don’t believe this!
    A journey of perhaps twenty feet……and sixty years.
    Shaking, pausing, one small step at a time, an endless trek for a seemingly redundant goal……….but I found myself admiring and loving this man.
    “Mr. Ramirez, by the power vested in me……..”
    We afforded him the dignity of silence as he returned to his seat, diploma tightly clenched in his left hand.
    The Pastor, wiping his eyes, “Would you all now join me in America the beautiful, first and last stanza?”
    Somehow she never seemed more beautiful than she did right then.
    We put our hearts and lungs into this one.
    “Now it is time to ask of those with loved ones serving to please let us know who you are.”
    We sat silent as a large box of big candles was opened.
    The woman doing needlepoint down the pew from us….
    “I have two grandsons serving in Iraq, one on the front lines, the other right behind him.”
    “My daughter just graduated from basic training at Lackland Air Force base.”
    The list was long, far too long.
    Finally, the box, empty, having served it purpose, was set aside.
    “And finally, we have remembered those serving, those forgotten and those who paid the ultimate price for our freedoms. Yet one group remains…….”
    “Would any honorably discharged veterans having served in the armed forces please stand up?”
    Oh noooooooo! I didn’t come here for this!
    The Other Half looked at me.
    I stood up.
    Along with about ten other guys.
    We were applauded.
    I sat down, shaken.
    Another pastor took the podium…
    “The price of freedom?”
    “In a word, costly.”
    He then listed numbers, big numbers.
    People dead.
    And wounded or crippled.
    Civilians killed, caught in the cross fire.
    “Millions of dead, trillions of dollars……….in a word, costly.”
    “We are now involved in a conflict where our very faith and values are under assault, from enemies both without and within. There are those caring little or nothing for our values or our faith, preferring instead to attack us. There are those seeking to simply ignore all going on and get on with their lives. There are those that hate God, using support for our enemies as a method of attacking us. There remain also those claiming our beliefs and values yet not implementing them in their daily lives.”
    Oh yeah, the part time Christians. Use it enough to ease their conscience, but never enough to guide their lives……ohhhhh yeah!
    I did feel anger then, a quiet, firm resolve. I viewed the message of love and brotherhood here, contrasting that to the rude cacophony of our detractors, their words hollow, humanistic and barren. In truth meriting little but pity.
    The voice in my mind….They will not prevail, Kent, not in the long haul. No…
    I listened. The message of belief and faith, dignity and calm. I needed to hear that too.
    But his point was made……
    And well taken.
    A group, a choir formed in front of us…..
    The Battle hymn of the Republic…..one of my favorites.
    The Pastor again, “It is time, please remain seated for the offering, then wait for the color guard to exit, followed by the salute and Taps.
    I coughed up a fiver…..
    Then stood silently at parade rest as the colors departed, followed by the Veterans of Foreign Wars.
    Standing quietly, hearing the words…..
    “Preeeeesent harms!”
    “Shouldeeeeerr harms!”
    Suddenly the silence shattered by seven M1 Garands thundering out their message, not one of anger and defiance, but rather of respect, salutation and gratitude.
    Three times…….
    Thanks, Dad.
    Thanks, Josh….
    And God knows how many others…..
    The quiet, somber tones of Taps crept into the church, silencing us, heads bowed, thoughts our own…..
    Then we realized it was over….
    Or in truth has it only begun?????
    I still sit here quiet…and subdued.
    I’m glad I went.
    I will do so again next year.
    I will do so tomorrow at eleven at the cemetery…..
    This is ouuuurrrr country!
    I will do everything in my power to defend her, and my Christian heritage.
    I remember the words so well….I do solemnly swear to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help me God.
    She means so much more to me now than when I was young…….
    You know, it really got to me writing this, but I had to share it with somebody.
    Thanks.
    Sincerely,
    Kent

  25. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    kepiblanc #19-

    LC stands for Loyal Citizen, a title any of our regular commenters may chose to adopt.

    IB is Imperial Blogger, meaning someone who operates their own blog. Most “Imperial” titles are granted by His Rottiness or at least his tacit approval to use them.

    Thanks Jaybear for edifying our friend being free to use the LC title.

  26. kepiblanc Comment by kepiblanc

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    Thanks, Jaybear & JackBoot… I guess I can qualify as a “LFC”, then (Loyal Foreign Citizen)….

  27. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    and thanks Jackboot for correcting my definition of IB, didn’t know that myself….

    has anyone ever thought of holding a contest to design a Rottie coat of arms to award to LC’s?

    just a thought

  28. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Over at Castle Argghhh! John has a discussion up about women in combat.

    http://www.thedonovan.com/archives/2007/05/womenwar.html

    I’ve got a niece who is preparing to go to Afghanistan. Her husband is in Balad, Iraq and will be coming home just in time to say goodbye. I’m not happy about it, not one bit. But I support her decision to serve and wouldn’t try to talk her out of it. I’m proud of both of them.

    I’m just chauvanistic enough to hate the idea of women in combat, not that I would say for certain it is wrong. It just feels wrong.

    Of course, if we could get a division or so of idiots like Rosie O’creep-me-out I might change my mind. Can anyone say cannon fodder?

  29. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    I’m just a zombie….. and a LC.

  30. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Just tried the link in Beth A*’s comment and it didn’t work so I copied and pasted it. Here’s another try at it.

    http://www.blackfive.net/main/2007/05/army_chief_warr.html#comments

  31. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    BOOO!,,Ya’ll

  32. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Excuse me Beth* A

    I think I’ll go back to bed now, I seem to have dyslexic fingers.

  33. Squatch Comment by Squatch

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    Rosie say, grobble blarghhhh!

  34. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    LMAO @ jaybear’s story!

  35. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    I’m just chauvanistic enough to hate the idea of women in combat, not that I would say for certain it is wrong. It just feels wrong.

    Dear, some of us wimmenfolk would just LOVE to be in combat! My recruiter explained why there is a limit, and it all has to do with that cursed biological thingy. Yet… I would love nothing more than to kick ass firsthand. I am just as determined, organized, rational and ruthless as a guy doing the same job. I also have no kids and no intention to have any. Why can’t they make an exception for me and make me a combat engineer?

  36. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Now we know why Rosie’s leaving “The Spew”. Her contract was terminated by a .50 cal pistol-packing ‘Bama Boy. Rosie View

  37. Unregistered Comment by zoomietech

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    Well, at least life for me is a little more “Rosie” this week…I will be adding another stripe and changing my moniker to ‘zoomiemaster’.

    But fuck that disgusting pig Rosie anyway. I’m not so happy that I can’t toss a little hate in her…er, ‘its’ direction.

  38. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    ‘Gonna need two tractors to skin THAT,,freakin’ Hogzilla!

  39. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    Lezbo Back Ribs

  40. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    Man, if I bagged that pig, I’d be having me one HUGE assed BBQ.

    I just wish the story that accompanied that photo had said what kind of pistol the kid used.

  41. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    “It feels really good,” Jamison, of Pickensville, said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. “It’s a good accomplishment. I probably won’t ever kill anything else that big.”


    Where is Michael Moore?

  42. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    akornzombie, i just linked to the kids’ site, which definitely seems to detail the Smith and Wesson pistol used.

  43. Sir Christopher Comment by Sir Christopher

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    here is the gun, adkornzombie

  44. LC&IB Vulcanrider Comment by LC&IB Vulcanrider

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    Open mic, huh? OK
    Thanks to all you vets out there that have sacrificed so much of your lives for our freedoms, especially those that made the ultimate sacrifice. And thanks to all of you still serving, we’re proud of you.

    Thanks to all the readers over at CIA for your time and comments. And to the trolls, c’mon, the ass kicking wasn’t THAT bad, come back and play.

    Thanks to Misha and the mods here at the Rott for giving us a place to discuss the REAL news and a place to vent as needed.

    Oh, and…

    FUCK ROSIE!

  45. Dick Comment by Dick

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    “Where are all the white women at?”

  46. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    Open mic, huh? OK
    Thanks to all you vets out there that have sacrificed so much of your lives for our freedoms, especially those that made the ultimate sacrifice. And thanks to all of you still serving, we’re proud of you.

    Thank you for pointing that out Vulcan. So, with that in mind, I’d like to say “thank you” to all our vets, and two in particular: My mom and dad.

  47. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Fuck Rosie? FUCK Rosie? I do not think there is anyone or anything on this Earth suicidal enough to attempt that stunt.

  48. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    And certain people here call me suicidal for doing 170 on a crotch-rocket! Shi’ite!

  49. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    CAVEMAN:

    Thanks for sharing that. Beautiful.

  50. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    And yer very right, Natasha - some things just cannot be.

    I like to think that I can do almost anything, but that would be well above and beyond . . .

  51. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    On this Memorial Day: Shamelessly “borrowed” from Lee Greenwood:

    And I’m proud to be an American where at least I know I’m free.
    And I won’t forget the men who died, who gave that right to me.
    And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today.
    ‘Cause there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God bless the U.S.A.

  52. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    SkyeChild, I got in trouble in Russia, in elementary school, when my best friend and I were walking around the hall singing that Lee Greenwood song at the top of our lungs.

  53. Unregistered Comment by Mark6591

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    Princess Natasha, there are regretably schools here where you would get in trouble for the same thing.

  54. kwongdzu Comment by kwongdzu

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    IB is Imperial Blogger, meaning someone who operates their own blog.

    Oh, it doesn’t mean ‘irritable bowel’ ?

  55. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Ditto: Good stuff Caveman.

  56. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Great story Caveman, brought tears to my eyes and reminded me of another WW 2 veteran who was a Mexican citizen when he enlisted. He was gravely wounded and lost an arm, when he returned to California and prepared to return to Mexico, he was given the Congressional medal of honor, his US citizenship and Mexico’s highest honor as well. Read this and weep you La Raza bastards!

  57. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    Outstanding Caveman.

    *hoists a double shot of tequila* Prost!

  58. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    To Everyone, Have a safe and enjoyable Memorial Day.

    To All The men and women currently serving or have already done your tour, THANK YOU and may GOD always smile upon you and keep you safe. We love yoos guys.

    To All The Veterans who have long since did their duty when duty called . We hold you in the highest regard And THANK YOU

  59. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Ohh yes

    Dear, some of us wimmenfolk would just LOVE to be in combat!

    Naturally, they posess the wickedest of weapons.
    170 MPH?
    Don’t you need some sort of FAA license for that?
    ‘Spent my young life on two wheels spewin’ oil, and never hit warp seven with all my clothes..’bounce em’ off at waayy lower speeds.
    Congrats on that big bow you made in the envelope!

  60. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    To all those in uniform, and who have worn it.

    Thank you.

  61. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    On a different note. Before you put your tac vest in the washing machine…

    Make sure ALL the mag pouches are empty…

  62. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I guess I can qualify as a “LFC”, then (Loyal Foreign Citizen)….

    Nope. LC. It’s Loyal Citizen (of the Empire), so there’s nothing foreign about you in that respect. :)

  63. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    On a side note, fellow Loyal Citizens!

    Make sure you empty ALL of your mag pouches before putting your tac vest in the washing machine! It’s annoyingly noisy, and causes great frowning by She Who Allows Me To Say I Am The Boss In This House.

    (Not to mention that soap residue is no fun to clean out of the mag body…)

  64. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    I guess I can qualify as a “LFC”, then (Loyal Foreign Citizen)….

    Loyal Citizenry knows no international boundaries. Welcome LC kepiblanc.

  65. LC R.L. Hunter Comment by LC R.L. Hunter

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    Just when you think it can’t get any weirder. From LawDog

  66. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Open thread huh? You know, I come across stories all the time about some of the truly heroic stuff our men are doing over in the sandbox. These stories never get told, especially not in the MSM. And, being an avid history buff, there are tons of tales of past heroism so amazing you shake your head after words and think that some Hollywood writer made it up, only to realize that you just can’t make stuff like that up. And the quiet heroism of hundreds, thousands, of terrified men doing their job despite the voice in their head screaming at them to run away.

    Why not a weekly feature telling people about these inspiring instances of man rising above the terror and horror of war and exhibiting the spark of divine grace that God has given us? We all need to hear the reassuring examples of heroism so that we can see, or be reminded of, the truly great levels that the human spirit can rise. And it doesn’t have to be just from the Long War, although there are plenty of stories there alone, but from any of our nations wars.

    It could be like a recurring Profiles in Courage type thing. Just a thought.

  67. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Oh one other thing, I kind of need to vent here. Memorial Day is about remembering, mourning, our nations fallen, those who have made the ultimate sacrifice. It is not to honor all veterans, but specifically those who now rest with God, their mortal coil left under neat white wooden crosses or Stars of David, or forever lost on battlefields across the world.

    Us living veterans have our own day of recognition. Please do not take away from, or allow others to take away from, the day we mourn our lost brethren. Memorial Day is for them, and them alone. Don’t thank me for my service on Memorial Day. Go to a veterans cemetery and thank them.

    I know you Rotties get it, please help others to as well. I actually saw an ad that said “Come join us for the Memorial Day festivities…”, correct the ignorance when you see it people.

  68. purple raider Comment by purple raider

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    Thank you, all the men and women of the armed forces, Past Present and Future, for protecting us, enforcing our borders, and generally not making us the home team in a war.

    To the demonrats, and RINO’s in congress actively preventing our armed forces from doing their job, may you be entertained in hell whilst O’Donut is doing a pole dance with nothing on but baby oil.

  69. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Come join us for the Memorial Day festivities…”

    Unbelievable Crunchie, what’s next…9/11 festivities? Sometimes the ignorance of the general public and especially the talking airheads in the MSM just disgusts me.

    I also second your idea about the Profiles in Courage. Please allow me to be the first to submit:

    LCI inbound to Utah Beach

    Heroes all, and I’m grateful to all. I thank God for the freedoms this country offers to me, bought and paid for with the lives of far far greater Americans than I….I am humbled at their service and sacrifice

  70. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    OK, assuming ‘open’ means really open…

    Anyone have input on whether Wyoming is a good place to move to? I’ve had it up to here with the People’s Republic of Connecticut. WY has a lot going for it - among them no state income tax and constitutional limits on property tax increases. Seems like the climate might get a little chilly, but that’s workable.

    Of course there also have to be enough people with cats for me to work with…

    OB Rosie: Lock her in a room with Michael Moore, with no food for either. Sell the video…

  71. Mike M Comment by Mike M

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    I just found this in my e-mail. As luck would have it, I’m already in the middle of a deal with Matutu Mbwabski, a very sincere sounding barrister from Lagos, and I expect to hit it big very soon. I simply don’t know what I’d do with all this money right on top of my Nigerian windfall, so I thought I’d publish it here in the event one of you wants to make a few quick bucks.

    Hello,

    I am Captain Moore of the US Marine Force on Monitoring and Peace keeping mission in Baghdad-Iraq. On the 7th day of May 2007, we were alerted on the sudden presence of some Terrorists camping in a suburb nottoo far from Karbala here in Iraq . After Immediate intervention, we captured three (3) of the Terrorists, twenty-six (26) were killed leaving seven (7) injured.In the process of torture they confessed being rebels for late Ayman al-Zawahiri and took us to a cave in Karbala which served as their camp.Here we recovered several guns, bombs and other Ammunitions including some boxes among which two contains nuclear weapons, one filled with hard drugs(cocaine) and the other four to my amazement contain some US Dollars amounting to $24 Million after I and two of my junior intelligent officers counted them. I however instructed them to keep this in high secrecy.

    I am in keen need of a “Reliable and Trustworthy” person like you who would receive, secure and protect these boxes containing the US Dollars for me up on till my assignment elapses in here in Iraq. I assure and promise to give you 14% of this fund, however feel free to negotiate
    what you wish to have as your percentage in this business.
    Please assure me of your keeping this topmost secret to protect my job with the US Monitoring and Peace-Keeping mission. pleases contact me throught my personal email:
    (capt.moore001@yahoo.com.hk)

    Sincere regards,
    Capt Moore.

  72. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    This really disturbs me that someone would use the war in Iraq to run a Nigerian scam. evil bastards. I believe it’s $1.5 million dollars that people lost last year from these type of scams in the US. Even rich people fall for them. Some guy’s family had to take legal action to stop him from spending the family fortune on a Nigerian scam. He even went to Nigeria to meet with them!

    Remember–if you didn’t enter a Canadian or other lottery, don’t send them money!

  73. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    Mike M: :lol:

  74. Unregistered Comment by Beartrapper

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    To all those vets out there ..THANK YOU from the bottom of my lazy, self centered heart. And on this day I would like to pass on a story of one vet in my family folklore.
    My grandmother’s brother was Andy Cusak, a son of Polish immigrants that was in the US Army stationed in the Phillipines at the start of WW2.
    Andy was captured when Bataan fell and made the Death March. He was imprisoned for a time in the Phillipines, and some time during the war was set for transport to Japan. While enroute to Japan the ship he was on was torpedoed by an American sub. Uncle Andy told the story that while ship did not sink right away, it could not make the rest of the voyage and was in the process of being scuttled. With all the Americans stuck in the cargo hold, the Japanese soldiers were standing above on the deck having target practice on the huddled Americans below. When there were no more moving targets, the Japs came down into the hold and began bayoneting anyone still alive. My uncle was wounded but still alive and he said he was so mad but unable to move much because of his wounds and the crushing bodies of his comrades. When a soldier came close enough, all he could think to do was to bite the man on the calf. For this he recieved the butt end of the man’s rifle, but he woke up on another ship enroute to Japan.
    The Japanese guards told him that his resistance saved his life. His wounds were not life threatening and they saved him because he fought back.
    Andy spent the rest of the war in a prison camp in Japan where he said they ate everything they could, including the only tree that was in the camp.
    Andy went from 220lbs to less than 100lbs in his years of captivity and spent a long while recovering from physical as well as mental scars.
    As young boys that grew up on “Combat’ and “Rat Patrol”, my cousins and I would pester him again and again until he told us his story, we never got tired of it.
    It was not until years later, when Andy was gone and I had enough maturity to understand the reality of what my uncle lived through.
    He and others like him are the reason I can sit here today and tell his story in the greatest country the world has ever known. Thank you all….never ever forget.

  75. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    Click to learn The Truth!

  76. juandos Comment by juandos

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    workinwifdakids says: “TRAITEROUS WHORE!

    Oh, wait - you mean this isn’t free association?

    Well you could’ve been considering the seditious sow from San Francisco: Pelosi: It’s ’sad’ Bush is blaming Iraqi insurgent violence on al-Qaeda

    Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show

    CAIRO, Egypt - A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a “significant set of facts,” and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

    In an interview yesterday, the current president of the New School University, Bob Kerrey, was careful to say that new documents translated last night by ABC News did not prove Saddam Hussein played a role in any way in plotting the attacks of September 11, 2001.

    Nonetheless, the former senator from Nebraska said that the new document shows that “Saddam was a significant enemy of the United States.” Mr. Kerrey said he believed America’s understanding of the deposed tyrant’s relationship with Al Qaeda would become much deeper as more captured Iraqi documents and audiotapes are disclosed.

  77. LC#2112 Comment by LC#2112

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    I like jaybear’s idea:

    has anyone ever thought of holding a contest to design a Rottie coat of arms to award to LC’s?

    Yeah, what is an empire without a coat of arms?!
    I started imagining some designs of what would be cool or funny, but seeing as I have less artistic talent than Rosie has functioning synapses I don’t think the winning design would come from me!
    …I got my 13 American flags out in my yard this year..I, as everyone here, know this is not barbeque weekend but a time for contemplation and thanks to those that secured our right to have barbeques.

  78. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    to harleyrace:

    I tried to view the 9/11 video you linked to, but it looks like they filmed it through a jug of Kool-Aid or something……

  79. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    # Comment by Beartrapper

    [Story of US troop being mistreated by Japanese in WWII]

    Wow. I’m just amazed. Senator McCain promised us that if we were humane to our prisoners, our people would be treated well if taken prisoner. Fat lot of good it did him, eh?

  80. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    All we do is ask the perntinent questions. Why does that make you and your neocon masters so uncomfortable?

  81. akornzombie Comment by akornzombie

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    Thanks for the link, Sir Christopher. A 500 Smith…. COOL.

  82. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    All we do is ask the perntinent questions. Why does that make you and your neocon masters so uncomfortable?

    rosie is a pertinent source?….O.K.

    So I gotta ask you a question harley…..”Who are you really?” You can’t be for real.

    If you ARE for real (which I doubt), and so committed to your pertinent ideaology, then have some balls and stop hiding behind some bogus blog. Come take us and our “neocon masters” on….mano a mano

  83. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    So Jaybear, let me get this straight. A plane crashes into the towers and the jet fuel that is left over (keep in mind that they try to make jet fuel less flamable as possible), goes directly onto the 47 massive steel columns and surrounding steel columms and they all give way at the same time and come down at almost free fall speed? The few fires in WTC7 caused it to do the same?

    Fire has NEVER melted steel. If it did you’d have to get a new stove EVERY time you cooked.

  84. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    Alex Jones enlightened me.

    Go forth and embrace reality.

  85. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Fire has NEVER melted steel

    Yo, douche-nozzle, how do you think the fucking steel is MADE, in the first place?! How are steel alloys made?! Grow a fucking brain, you psychotic little assbite.

  86. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Jeez, what the fuck happened to our trolls? In-breeding? Too much crack? They are getting more and more retarded, as time goes by.
    Actually, re-reading the little assbite’s comments, I suspect somebody is just goofing off. Seems like a satire troll to me.

  87. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    harley sez:

    So Jaybear, let me get this straight. A plane crashes into the towers and the jet fuel that is left over (keep in mind that they try to make jet fuel less flamable as possible), goes directly onto the 47 massive steel columns and surrounding steel columms and they all give way at the same time and come down at almost free fall speed? The few fires in WTC7 caused it to do the same?

    harley, all it takes is for one beam to give way…only one. The towers burned internally for almost an hour, a concentrated fire of very high octane….very flammable fuel. If it’s a corner beam that’s hit, which is what the ISLAMIC terrorist pilots hit in the second tower, then you compromise the integrity of the building support that much more.

    The towers came down at free fall speed because there were 30 - 40 floors that pancaked down on the rest of the floors. It would be comparable to dropping WTC7 from the air onto the top of the other WTC towers. You don’t think that’s going to do some damage?

    Fire has NEVER melted steel.

    According to who? rosie the physicist? How in the hell do you think we reshape scrap metal into new metal things harley? It ain’t modeling clay ya’ know….

    If it did you’d have to get a new stove EVERY time you cooked.

    First off, your stove doesn’t burn at the temp of a foundry or jet fuel. Here’s some data for you:

    Jet Fuel maximum burning temp = 1796 degrees F
    Jet Fuel Open Air Burning Temp = 500 -600 Degrees F
    Average maximum burning temp of your stove = 400 degrees F
    Melting point of building steel = 1517 degrees F

    You had close to 90,000 litres of combustible Jet fuel burning out of control inside the buildings. That fire was contained by the concrete of the building, just like what your oven does…although it’s barely hot enough to melt the steel, it’s damned hot enough to weaken and soften it.

    Get out of your basement man, make your own decisions and stop listening to fantasy world idiots like rosie and that jackass alex jones….or at least find some credible sources (try using Google at least).

  88. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    and again I ask the question harley,

    who are you really??

  89. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, that’s easy jaybear. HarleyRace is a little panty wearing faggit who still believes in the tooth fairy (and every other kind of fairy.) Harley is an uneducated, overpaid (at minimum wage) idiot who thinks that her lack of success is because of opression, instead of her being an idiot.

    In other words, HarleyRace is just another cowardly little librul who believes that Florida was stolen in 2000, Ohio was stolen in 2004, and that Jimmuh Carduh was a great President.

    Dick smokin’ little shit fer brains. That’s what.

  90. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Glad you cleared that up Wil,

    My suspicions naturally high after being so thoroughly taken in by The Emperor’s April Fools Gag.

  91. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Fire has NEVER melted steel.

    Yep…the Steel Fairies make it only on the second Tuesday of June when there’s a full moon with Pixie dust and Splenda, except when it’s raining and they move it to Thursdays. The only other exception is when Silky Pony has a hair appointment and they have to reschedule till August.

    You been sniffing Rosie’s dirty underwear again haven’t you Harley? You really shouldn’t do that. It just makes you more of a drooling idiot. Now go eat your tofu muffins and drink your soy milk and go take your nap like a good little goblin.

    Geez…this troll isn’t worth getting the Hoover out for…I think the dust broom will be more appropriate.

  92. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Three people share a Motel room.

    The clerk charges them $30.

    They pay $10 each.

    Then the clerk realizes the rate was only $25.

    He takes 5 one dollar bills to the room to refund what they had over paid.

    The guests thank him for his honesty and tip him $2.

    Each guest receives $1 of the refund.

    So, each guest paid $9.

    3 x 9 = 27.

    $27 for the room, plus a $2 tip = $29.

    What happened to the other $1?

  93. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Fire has never melted steel??? I guess the steel bars I saw melted in the much lower octane than jet fuel diesel fired furnaces at the forge I used to work QC at were melted by fuckin’ pixie dust.

    And what “massive steel columns” would you be referring to?? The major load bearing structures in The WTC were the four exterior walls. That was one of the beauties of the design, no interior skeleton of beams meant more open floor space for rent.

    Goddammit boy, at least TRY to think.

    Or will thought melt that sludge in your skull that keeps your ears from touching???

  94. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    ten-ten:

    See this all the time.

    The guests paid $25.00 for the room. $2.00 tip. Each guest gets $1.00 back ($3.00 total).

    $25.00 + $2.00 tip = $27.00.

    Nenen nener nener!

  95. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Wil, iffin you don’t mind, I’m gonna copy offa your paper ’cause I suck at word problems…

  96. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Sure! Just don’t let this HarleyRace kid see. You know how libruls are - he’ll cheese to the teacher fer sure.

  97. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Cock blocker

  98. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Sorry, ten-ten - I first saw that one in Junior High.

    Waaaaaaay long years ago. Contemporary with Woodstock.

  99. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Funny how that problem is easily solved by being rational, and not following the misdiretion included in it. Sort of the the way Moonbats will SWEAR that steel is impervious to heat.

  100. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Wil, no smileys to show indended sarcasm, but you knew that…LOL

  101. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Don’t you just hate it when your ride ain’t running right so you take it to the shop, drop the better part of a C-note to get it checked and the tech can’t find anything wrong, but a little while later it starts acting screwy again??

    Be glad your ride ain’t a plane…

    A PRELIMINARY investigation into a plane crash in central Queensland last year that killed three people has found the plane had experienced ongoing engine problems.
    The light plane crashed at a cattle property near Raglan, 50km north of Gladstone, on October 31 last year.

    The crash claimed the lives of all three men on board - Rockhampton pilot Brendon Rassie, 47, Luke Straatmans, 22, from Boyne Island, and Keith Suter, 33, from Gladstone.

    An interim report from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) released today failed to find the cause of the crash, but outlined ongoing problems with one of the plane’s engines.

    It found the Piper Chieftain’s right engine had failed to start on several occasions in the weeks before the crash.

    However, on the morning of October 31 an engineer inspected the engine and a test flight showed it was functioning properly.

  102. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    What a sad post about the plane crash.

    Being the evil liberal that I am, I wanted to comment on a couple previous posts. I don’t think Pelosi was that out there commenting on Al Queda not being the main threat in Iraq. There are Shites fighting Sunnis, Sunnis fighting Shites, Shites fighting each other. This clan warfare shit is pretty nasty. Of the Shites, 50% are married to their fiirst or second cousin. No wonder there is sectarian violence. The police tend to be loyal to their ethnic group and not the main government. Some former special ops guy (I could dig out the name if asked) estimated there were 70-100 different insurgent groups, many interacting with each other. Al Queda is only part of the mix.

    I was really intrigued by an interview Alex Jones did with an NSA whistleblower. However, I spent a chunk of yesterday reading up on him and had to conclude that he’s a crackpot.

    Ah, that piece about an Al Queda rep meeting with an Iraqi rep. really interesting–haven’t read anything yet today, so it’s probably covered. That’s really interesting, but to me does not prove that they were working together. Saddam hated Al Queda, because he considered them a threat to his regime. There is diplomacy, where you meet with your enemy. Even during the Cold War, we were meeting with the USSR. Was it diplomacy or plotting terrorism? I don’t know, but think it’s worth considering. (I guess that makes me an idiot–well that’s Dr. Idiot to you.)

    By the way, I assume you guys know Saddam used to be our ally? After he gassed the Kurds and killed tens of thousands of people, we gave him $1.1 billion dollars in loans and guarantees. We were playing Iran and Iraq off against each other during their war.

    Actually Osama bin Laden used to be our ally, too. Back from the days when we helped his group overthrow the Soviet-backed government there (who let women work). It wasn’t until the Gulf War, when we committed the unpardonable crime having troops in Saudi Arabia that he turned against us. At the time (early 1980s), I thought it was really stupid that of 7 resistance groups, we picked the one that was the most fundamentalist and wanted to form a country like Iran. Go figure. That one bit us on the ass.

    Well enough ranting. Let the vultures start picking on my carcass.

    -traitorously yours

  103. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    psychochick, psychochick, psychochick.

    I’m so disappointed. I had hopes, but you go straight to tired moonbat memes. Damn.

    By the way, I assume you guys know Saddam used to be our ally? After he gassed the Kurds and killed tens of thousands of people, we gave him $1.1 billion dollars in loans and guarantees. We were playing Iran and Iraq off against each other during their war.

    Aaaand just how many times have we heard this since the FIRST unpleasantness in the Gulf, back in ‘91? (BTW, I was there for that little squabble.) Yes, during the Iraq / Iran war, we gave support to So Damn Insane. Remember, please, this was shortly after we had lots of our citizens kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured in Iran during the Carter Administration. Iraq was widely deemed to be the lesser of two evils, etc. What’s yer point? That sometimes, realpolitik is a bitch? Ok. We won’t find much disagreement on that point here.

    Actually Osama bin Laden used to be our ally, too. Back from the days when we helped his group overthrow the Soviet-backed government there (who let women work).

    Yes, Osama was one of the leaders of the Afghanistani Mujahadeen that formed the backbone of the resistance to the unlawful Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan. At the time (though denied to this day by libruls,) the Soviet Union was an ENEMY of the very idea of freedom. Again, what’s yer point? Nobody ever claimed, IIRC, that Osama was an angel, just that he was doing “Good Works” against a sworn enemy, and was the most effective of the seven groups the U.S. Government was supporting. Again, realpolitik, etc?

    I’m gonna leave all the other points you think you made to the rest of the regulars, but I have covered them all in the last six months, meself. Check the back issues.

    Y’all gonna have to do better than that, darlin’.

  104. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Hi LCWil,

    Thanks for the civility. Sorry to disappoint you. I’ll try harder next time.

    I always think it’s good to know when our evil enemies have been US allies in the past. I think it’s interesting when people go from wonderful to evil. You’re right–the Saddam support was to counter Iran, which was pretty evil back then. Saddam has always been evil. Iran’s leader now is pretty evil, but at least there is a substantial reformist party in Iran. You obviously know as much if not more than I do about these topics. It doesn’t have any relevance to what is going on now, but I think it’s good to know the history of the people involved. Except for the military people, a lot of the people on this site seem really young, and I honestly didn’t know how much history they know. Maybe I’m making a bad assumption to equate the immaturity of a number of posts with age. My bad.

    Actually, I do think it’s ridiculous to say that liberals deny that USSR was an enemy of freedom. Seriously–I’ve hung out with some pretty left-wing people, and I’ve never heard that. The only time they got support was when the liberals thought that Gorbachev truly wanted reform, and Reagan proved that to be true. Who wanted to live in a Communist police state?

    Boy, I hope you weren’t one of the 100,000 soldiers in the Gulf War exposed to low doses of Sarin. Are you still active? You probably know that industrial plants that make organophosphate insecticides can easily be converted to make nerve gas. (This class of insecticides affects nerve function.)

    I’m interested in your previous posts. They seem like they would be substantive, but would have to spend all my time to dig them out. I like intellectual arguments. Boy, I’d ask you them to mail them to me, but I don’t really want to give out my e-mail address on this site. Although it was created just for this site. Maybe there is a search engine for tag line. I could also win the lottery (wait–I’ve never bought a ticket in my life).

    Contrarianly yours (is that a word?)

  105. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Except for the military people, a lot of the people on this site seem really young, and I honestly didn’t know how much history they know.

    pschochick, You’ll not find more literate and historically accurate people than you will on this site. There’s not much regurgitating of party lines here. It’s non-revisionist and correct in these parts.

  106. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Even during the Cold War, we were meeting with the USSR.

    Psychochick, I understand that the parallel is very tempting. BUT: the USSR, despite being run by evil commie swine, was still a more or less Western-style country in a sense that people there valued life and wanted to live, not die. Now, we are facing a culture that glorifies and worships death, and disregards life completely. While we had the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction keeping the US and the USSR from starting to lob nukes at each other, this scenario will not work with Islamic fanatics–because they WANT to die. They don’t give a damn about this life. Negotiating with them is pointless. That the US did, in the past, is a damn mistake. But it does not make the US responsible for terrorism in any way shape or form. That is why I wonder what people are trying to say when they trot out these statements. That we should do nothing about islamonuts running around blowing shit up because sometime in the past someone tried to form alliances with them against other, bigger nuts? That’s faulty reasoning. By the same token, if you shared your lunch with some kid in first grade and he later on turned into a serial killer does not mean you are as bad as he, nor does it mean that you now have no right to judge him.

    Sorry, I am but a humble Mechanical Engineering student, no PhD (yet), but I know what makes sense and what doesn’t. And a lot of the stuff the anti-war crowd parades around like sacred relics of some kind is a lot of nonsensical bullshit.

    I am glad you are here asking questions and being sincere in inviting an actual discussion. Opponents like you are a rare treat, around here. We get mostly fanatical commies and boorish wanna-be terrorists.

  107. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    I’m sorry! I was thinking that something I said was rude, although that would probably be okay around here. I may be psycho, but I’m not rude. To correlate immature posts with age or lack of wisdom was probably totally incorrect and mean. I will be tempted to be nasty and sarcastic if someone attacks me, but not when someone is civil.

    It’s actually taken forever to do my posts, and I should have been fighting entropy or reading the numerous newspapers I read. That might be why so many posts are brief. I suffer from diarrhea of the fingers.

    By the way, the progress I read in Anbar was in one of the featured selections that NY Times sends out. It got a high profile. But unfortunately, all the tv news shows is bombings. Plus they never explain who did them. According to a recent study, most women get their news from tv (unlike most men)–probably because they are raising children. There is not enough on the news to get any understanding of what is going on in Iraq, except that people are dying.

    It’s pathetic–I doubt most Americans could name the three ethnic groups in Iraq. To have a functioning democracy, you need an educated citizenry. Well that’s my rant of the moment. Should be totally nonpartisan.

    By the way 2, my stepson is in the Air Force.

    ———democratically yours

  108. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    [Folds hat, straightens up]

    Nice Pictures.

  109. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Psychochick, you are most certainly not rude, and like I said earlier, having a commenter like you show up and seek sincere exchange of thoughts is a treat. Please keep posting and asking questions. Also, a big thank you to your stepson for his service!

  110. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Awesome link, Cheapshot! Very proper for Memorial Day.

  111. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Thank you Cheapshot, thank you.

  112. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Yer welcome, psycochick!

    You will find that civility is usually it’s own reward round about these parts. Not always, of course (some pretty uncivilized people come around from time to time), but we try.

    I always think it’s good to know when our evil enemies have been US allies in the past . [snip] . but I think it’s good to know the history of the people involved.

    Yes, History is one of the most important things to learn. Those who do not understand History, etc., and all that. Knowledge must also be tempered with wisdom. Sometimes, just knowing is not enough.

    Being an official Old Fart(TM), I lived through most of the cold war. Old Liberals (starting at about the immediate left of about current day Joe Lieberman) consistently denied the designs of the Soviet Empire, and praised it as a “Worker’s Paradise.” That was tempered somewhat after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the release of the files of the East German Stazi. Some of those files are still classified, and will remain so for another 30 years. Having seen a few, I agree that they need to be.

    No, I was not exposed to Sarin (and am no longer Active Duty), but anyone who has ever used Raid Ant and Roach spray has been exposed to higher levels of the same chemicals. Nerve gas was invented by German and Russian Scientists trying to invent their own bug spray.

    I don’t really think my previous posts are anything special - there are many people here regularly who are much smarter than I am. I’m just a poor old dumb cowboy, and usually one of the more “kill them all, the devil will know his own” members of our little community. The archives (available on the right side of the page) are very interesting, and i think you would enjoy them. Pay particular attention to caveman, jaybear, crunchie, BlackisWhite, and especially Emperor Misha. I find them to be fonts of wisdom.

    If you don’t mind my asking (and just out of sheer nosiness on my part - no designs or snarkiness intended), did you ever serve in the Military, and which branch, if I may?

    I’ll be signing off shortly to tuck in the kiddlelids, so I may not be back tonight. Have a good evening, and say a prayer for a Soldier tonight.

    Wil

  113. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Princess Natasha,

    The part of your post about negotiating was a good one. I still think it could be diplomacy. Saddam was an evil mass murderer, but he wanted to stay in power. I don’t think all of Al Queda are suicide bombers. They are an army that wants to get in power. I think there are high level leaders that do the strategy and who would never blow themselves up who recruit impressionable young men to blow themselves up to promote their twisted brand of Islam. And speaking of non-Al Queda insurgents, do you really think Al-Sadr would be out there on the front lines?

    Oh my God–I did not mean that we shouldn’t be fighting Al Queda because we dealt with OBL in the past!!! That never entered my mind. I think we should have kept our resources in Afghanistan to fight the terrorists rather than get distracted by Iraq and create new ones. (I’m sure that is unoriginal, but it is my opinion.) By the way, I am not the one who dismantled the CIA team hunting for OBL. That was Bush, although he seems to have re-assembled one. I am totally in favor of fighting the terrorists! And I went F’in psycho when any one disagreed with Bush, and he would go “You’re in favor of the terrorists.” He doesn’t do that any more, glory be.

    Yours truly

    PS What do these commies have to say?

  114. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Psychochick (I like that nickname but, then again, being me I would ;-) )

    I don’t think Pelosi was that out there commenting on Al Queda not being the main threat in Iraq. There are Shites fighting Sunnis, Sunnis fighting Shites, Shites fighting each other. This clan warfare shit is pretty nasty.

    It sure is. The problem is that al-Qaeda are the ones fueling it. We don’t want them fighting each other, they do! That makes them the main enemy. Well, that and the fact that al-Qaeda are the ones responsible for 9/11 and the ones sworn to keep killing all of us infidels in any way possible.

    Ah, that piece about an Al Queda rep meeting with an Iraqi rep. really interesting–haven’t read anything yet today, so it’s probably covered. That’s really interesting, but to me does not prove that they were working together. Saddam hated Al Queda, because he considered them a threat to his regime.

    Doesn’t mean anything. They were still useful to him because he and they had a common enemy, us. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. Besides, by keeping them busy trying to murder us, he kept them from annoying himself. That’s how the game is played. Let your enemies kill each other and then you can swoop in and pick up the pieces.

    There is diplomacy, where you meet with your enemy. Even during the Cold War, we were meeting with the USSR. Was it diplomacy or plotting terrorism?

    The commies were rational players. Evil bastards, yes, but they still cared deeply about being alive, which made it possible for us to negotiate with them. The terrorists aren’t rational, they’re not even human, which makes it impossible for us to reach any sort of agreement with them. Our only option is for us to kill them before they kill us.

    You can’t negotiate with a starved grizzly bear either.

    By the way, I assume you guys know Saddam used to be our ally? After he gassed the Kurds and killed tens of thousands of people, we gave him $1.1 billion dollars in loans and guarantees. We were playing Iran and Iraq off against each other during their war.

    Realpolitik. It’s never pretty. Both Iran and Iraq were our enemies at the time, but our problem with Iran was way bigger than our problem with Iraq at the time, so the only logical solution (short of us sending troops to fix the situation ourselves) was to let them kill each other off. And it worked marvelously too. They spent the better part of a decade slaughtering each other, during which time they presented no problem at all to us.

    Besides, our support for Iraq wasn’t all that impressive. We made up only about 1% of foreign military aid to Iraq during that period, the Soviets and the fwench being the main sponsors, so as far as return on investment goes, we got one of the sweetest deals ever, without a single one of ours getting in the firing line.

    Actually Osama bin Laden used to be our ally, too.

    Actually, this is the only point where you’re absolutely wrong on the facts. Osama was the only one of the Afghani guerrilla leaders who would not, under any circumstances, receive any aid from us and, as a result, he didn’t. The other Mujahids got a lot of help from us battling the Soviet bastards, but Osama’s guys didn’t.

    Not that it would have made much of a difference. He wasn’t that much help anyway, and it is one of the great and unfair ironies of history that the cowardly little bastards made his name in a fight that he hardly even participated in. The toughest Mujahids, the ones sacrificing the most and being the biggest thorn in the side of the Soviets were the ones later known as the Northern Alliance, the guys that helped us clean out the Taliban after 9/11.

    Osama didn’t do much to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets, he did pretty much nothing useful at all, but what he did do was operate a brilliant PR effort that resulted in him becoming quite famous for something he never did later on.

    And that’s important to keep in mind. The CIA was looking hard for Afghanis to help fighting the Soviets, and Osama’s imports were the only ones who would not, under any circumstances, work with us. They were quite content doing nothing useful at all while stealing the honor of those actually facing down the commies, which is why we even HAD a Northern Alliance later on. They didn’t fight and die for years to have one oppressive regime, the Soviet-backed commies, replaced with another, the Taliban.

  115. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I think we should have kept our resources in Afghanistan to fight the terrorists rather than get distracted by Iraq and create new ones.

    Afghanistan is a largely rugged and very hostile country to fight in, just ask the Soviets and the Brits. Staying in Afghanistan and not dealing with other threats would have been equivalent to defending Pearl Harbor after Dec. 7 1941 and leaving Hitler alone. Strategy shifted. By opening second front in Iraq we knew that the Jihadis would go there, which believe it or not is a much more friendly place to fight an insurgency than Afghanistan.

    As far as the war in Iraq creating new terrorists, psychochick all we did was give them a nice place to come so we could kill them easier. Operation Iraqi Freedom did not create Islamofascism. That was done long before.

    What happened is that we shifted the strategy. We could stay in Afghanistan with our NATO allies and play whack a mole for the next 7 centuries, and we will never DEFEAT the islamofascists. We will defeat them by spreading freedom to the Muslim countries that breed hatred and resentment towards the west. In Iraq, the military option was the best way to do that. When taken in context with the ongoing threat Saddam posed to the region, and to us directly, Iraq was the next logical front. Don’t forget, we also have troops in the Horn of Africa, in Indonesia, all over the place tracking down Al Quaeda cells, Iraq is our main force effort.

    One last point, whether Hussein trusted AQ or not is mute. He recognized a useful tool against the US and would have, and very may well have, assisted them in any we he could. And regardless of Husseins opinion of OBL, Bin Laden listed the ongoing deny flight operations and international sanctions against Iraq as a casus belli against the US in his Fatwa declaring Jihad. Iraq was a factor in 9/11, just not directly.

  116. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Oh, and as a minor point of order, psychochick:

    Boy, I’d ask you them to mail them to me, but I don’t really want to give out my e-mail address on this site. Although it was created just for this site.

    I understand, but you didn’t have to. You have my word of honor that your email address will never ever be shared with anybody. The only reason that you have to provide one is that the system needs a place to send your password and, as far as I’m concerned, to provide the two of us with a way of communicating, should we ever need to do so off the record.

    But your privacy is paramount, and that goes for everybody no matter how much we may disagree on anything.

  117. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    He wasn’t that much help anyway, and it is one of the great and unfair ironies of history that the cowardly little bastards made his name in a fight that he hardly even participated in.

    You can say that again Sire. The only thing he did was funnel daddies money in. I love the way he says he took the Krinkov he’s always posing with off of a Russian General he killed. Never knew them to care anything other than the smallest pistol they could. The smaller the side arm, the higher the rank. I guess he was just a Corporal General, or some such other weird Soviet rank I never understood.

  118. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    LC Crunchie 0311 sez:

    I love the way he says he took the Krinkov he’s always posing with off of a Russian General he killed. Never knew them to care anything other than the smallest pistol they could. The smaller the side arm, the higher the rank. I guess he was just a Corporal General, or some such other weird Soviet rank I never understood.

    Yeah, the biggest cowards and liars always talk the best war stories…bin laden, jessie mc beth, john kerry….

  119. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    To have a functioning democracy, you need an educated citizenry.

    As several of the people I work with would put it, “Word.

    BTW, this is one statement that you will find NO-ONE here will disagree with. The bell curve for the ages here would have, (I believe), it’s deepest section in the mid-forties, and one of the true loves of The Bark is arguing discussing history. (Just have to be careful with the citations, since you sometimes wind up looking across the wrong columns while balancing books on your lap. (NOT that I know anyone that that personally has happened to… ^whistling innocently^))

    Generally speaking, us cranky old farts are truly horrified by what “history classes” have degenerated to in recent times. I happened upon one of my niece’s World History textbooks several years ago while visiting them, and the sheer lack of information, (not to mention a great amount of opinion presented as fact), was terrifying.

    As an example, about the only thing said about Henry VIII was that he had been married several times and had two wives “wrongly executed”, had killed a lot of Catholic priests, and died of overeating.

    Nothing about how and why Henry had created the Church of England, nothing about the fact that the two wives executed, (Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard), were in fact plotting against Henry. That his fourth wife, (Anne of Cleves), became one of Henry’s most trusted advisers following their divorce. (Actually an annullment, but who’s counting!)

    Or even that Henry was the definition of the “Renaissance Man”, who designed ships, composed music, played multiple musical instruments, was widely known for his skills as a dancer and athlete, and was a great fan of the firearm. (despite the archery laws)

    Instead, all that children are taught is that he was a fat murderer.

    And don’t even get me started on what kids today are taught about World Wars One and Two, let along any other wars.

  120. Unregistered Comment by Purple Avenger

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    Blatant link whoring, but I thought this govt WMD export restriction policy was completely retarded.

  121. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Purple Avenger

    I’ve just written my congressman requesting an official explanation as to why Haiti would be on a list of countries that shipping furniture to is prohibited.

    Why, because it’s military furniture, and thus can be used to oppress people!

    If I get an answer, I’m betting it will be quite entertaining.

    Or completely unintelligible.

    Now, to see if I am still Sir Guido, LC, Accursed of the Spam Filter…

  122. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Shoulda known.

    Dave, Boss, I logged out, deleted every cookie on my machine, ran Crap Cleaner through the smoking remains twice, don’t think there is anything more I can do on my end, guys…

  123. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Purple Avenger,

    Thanks for sharing, although you are hardly a disinterested party. That’s a seriously odd policy. Selling a folding table to Haiti will not cause great disharmony in the world.

  124. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Okay, multiple comments to multiple people if I may, and then I really better go and read, or I will become ignorant.

    Emporer Misha,
    Thanks for your comments about security. I feel pretty safe about you having this e-mail address. It was just that I was thinking of posting the address for someone interesting to respond to, but then decided no way. You all have been wonderfully civil. I was quite nervous about posting here originally. However, I could see some psycho lurking in the background sending me very nasty comments.

    And about your other post, apparently I was wrong about Osama (the horror, the horror). I bow to your superior knowledge of Afghani history. There is one thing that I do disagree on. I do think it might be possible to negotiate with terrorists. The ones in charge are probably highly rational, although fascist, people directing their underlings to murder. I don’t think you could have a discussion with the guy (or gal) blowing up the taxi in Baghdad. I’m not saying we should negotiate, either. I just disagree that these people are not human and rational. Their world view is scary and barbaric. However, they”ve done a pretty good job of carrying out their violence and mayhem. That probably took some planning.

    I do think about your other comments. I’ll have to think more about possible benefits to SH about associating with Al Queda, although the intelligence analysts at the time didn’t think that was the case. I do tweak my opinions as I learn new information.

    LC 0311 crunchi
    Couldn’t you have come up with a name that is easier to remember? Not to be fascist and annoying, or anything. You’ve been very pleasant to me.

    I think your knowledge of military strategy is vastly superior to mine. In one way, it makes sense that shifting the battle scene to Iraq would make it easier to fight (house by house?) than the rugged terrain in Afghanistan. HOWEVER, it is my understanding that having the war in Iraq has pissed off a large number of muslims who have come to Iraq to fight. It is also my understanding that a number of them would not be insurgents if it were not for our presence in Iraq. Isn’t that what the bipartisan Iraq review said? If I get a mainstream press lecture, I will be uncivil (now there’s a scary threat).

    Have a somber Memorial Day. I have to do some shopping, but it’s prescription drugs, so I don’t think that’s evil of me.

  125. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC 0311 crunchi

    My God, I’m sorry for posting constantly (please don’t beat me–my dog would bite you). I just ran across a thing from earlier that I wanted to address. I am honored that you asked if I was in the military. No. I was pursuing higher education for years. I had thought about switching to political science and am kind of sorry I didn’t. I could read PS and history full time, if I had the time. Aside from the rarity of liberals on this site (they get called trolls apparently?), I am probably the only plant biochemist.

    Oh–there is one thing you were wrong about. The people into the USSR Socialist Workers Party were communists! not liberals.

  126. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    LC 0311 crunchi
    Couldn’t you have come up with a name that is easier to remember?

    Just call him Crunchie like the rest of us do. If there’s a lack of anything around this place it’s rules. Believe me..I’ve tried to get these guys to empty their ashtrays and pick up their beer cans, but I’m just banging my head against the wall. *sigh*

    Aside from the rarity of liberals on this site (they get called trolls apparently?)

    Only when they come in and crap on the carpet (and since I’m the only housekeeper around here that certainly doesn’t get me in a good mood). Most of the moonbats that swoop in, do so just to turn over the furniture and leave piles of bat guano all over the place. They say nothing of substance and have all the intelligence and personality of warm spit.

    You on the other hand are another breed. You may hold different views but you’re polite and know how to carry on an intelligent debate. That’s certainly a pleasant surprise for us.

    HOWEVER, it is my understanding that having the war in Iraq has pissed off a large number of muslims who have come to Iraq to fight.

    If I may debate this one point…I’m a firm believer in that what has pissed off so many Muslims about this issue is not only the down fall of one of their benefactors Saddam Hussain, but also the fact that Iraq is attempting to do something that is anathema to Islam and that is a democratic society. It may not be our kind of democratic government in the long run, but compared to Islam it’s night and day. Those purple ink stained fingers were not only a sign of victory for the Iraqi people, but they were a middle finger to the most stifling aspects of Islam.
    Not to mention that Iraq is very rich in resources that all of the countries surrounding it are wetting their burqua’s to get hold of and control. Iran stands to lose the most if Iraq indeed becomes a self-governing and self sufficient country. And it is fact that more than half of the insurgents coming into Iraq are doing so from, and funded by, Iran.

  127. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Hi LC Mrs. M-ITT™

    Thanks for your pleasant comments. I agree with you about the resources, and how Iran would benefit from controlling Iraq. It’s getting late, and I’m sick, so I’m not thinking up to par. Would it be strenghening Syria that would help fight Iran?

    I have to totally disagree with you about Islamic democracies. I think having a democratic Iraq would be an incredible advance for that area, but other areas have Islamic democracies. Indonesia had a female prime minister. Turkey tries to be democratic, but the secular military disbands the government when muslims win (like 10 years ago). Lebanon is a total disaster, but I think technically they are a democracy. I should be shot for not knowing that for sure. I think Algeria has a democracy. 70% of their lawyers are female. There’s a book about Algeria floating around military circles, and some people compare the French fight in Algeria to our fight in Iraq. (Hopefully it’s a bad comparison, since it didn’t end well for France.)

    This is just my opinion. I haven’t read this anywhere. I think the root of the problem in the Middle East is these tribal-based patriachal societies that use Islam to justify their treatment of women and their political enemies. Islam is supposed to be peaceful, and it is in other areas. If peace is an option, you are supposed to take it, and you are not supposed to kill women and children.

    I haven’t studied it, but I wonder if the Koran is full of discrepancies like the bible: an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth followed by the way more pleasant teachings of Christ.

  128. LC R.L. Hunter Comment by LC R.L. Hunter

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    psychochick,

    Can I call you psycho? ;-)

    What you will find here is the LC’s will treat you like you treat them. If you want a reasonable and logical debate you’ll get one, but be prepared to have your assumptions questioned.

    What will raise our ire is making assertations without evidence, refusing to examine evidence contrary to your position, ad hominum attacks ect.

    And the number one surefire way to get labeled a troll quoting some meme from the Democratic Underground as the “real truth”.

    That’s not to say discussions don’t get heated here, and cursing is normal conversation. But this is more of a backyard get together than a debating society.

  129. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC R.L. Hunter
    Feel free to call me psycho–it’s probably appropriate. I am not sure if your post is a statement of ground rules or an attack on my posts. I have said that I have altered some of my opinions based on information from here. I don’t even know what the “Democratic Underground” is. I read widely, and my thoughts are mine. Most of what I say can be backed up by sources. I guess I strayed in giving an original opinion, rather than something I had read. If there is a problem with debates, I’ll just go back to spending all my time reading up on current events. Enjoy your get together. Good bye.

  130. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Ain’t nothin’ wrong with posting an original opinion. Not a thing, so long as it’s not foundated in the quicksand of rotating talkin’ points from a sashay through moonbat’sville.
    Respect is purchased here with veracity. Show us what you saw or heard that left you with that opinion, and we all get smarter,
    This ain’t no aohell chat-room.
    When a statement run’s a-foul of easily accessed contradicting evidence, expect teeth.

  131. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    psychochick,

    I am not sure if your post is a statement of ground rules or an attack on my posts.

    More of the former, but expect the latter, regardless of how well written or well thought out your point is.

    After all, we are Rotties and we do bite, sometimes whether called for or not.

  132. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    After all, we are Rotties and we do bite

    Fortunately, Rotties being such Big and Powerful dogs, it only hurts for a second……then it all fades to black.

  133. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Just a reminder:

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    House bill HR1022 is back. And this time it’s got teeth.

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

    Check out the list of targeted firearms….frightening.

    Call your Congresscritter and remind them…Shall not be infringed.

  134. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    psychochick

    LC R.L. Hunter
    Feel free to call me psycho–it’s probably appropriate. I am not sure if your post is a statement of ground rules or an attack on my posts.

    Pretty much of a statement of operational groundrules. If you want intelligent reasoned debate, just ask questions. State the position you hold, and why. In other words, just keep doing what you have been doing.

    I have said that I have altered some of my opinions based on information from here.

    That shows that you are actually reading what we post, and thinking about it. It also shows that we can get our point across, when the other side of the conversation listens to us. This is a good thing, from our point of view.

    I don’t even know what the “Democratic Underground” is.

    Ah, to have such bliss! ::) (hope I got that smiley right!) Democratic Underground is a website heavily populated by persons suffering from advanced cases of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Some Rotties read the place for amusement value. Personally, I have never found it to be that amusing. Mostly because I expect what I read to make sense. And at the DU, sense is conspicuously lacking.

    I read widely, and my thoughts are mine.

    This is a very great plus. We welcome original thinking. If you think for yourself, it means your mind is open, and you are actually using it.

    Most of what I say can be backed up by sources.

    That is what we like to hear. (Now, we might shred your sources, but, we will do it in a logical fashion, if pushed. For an example, quoting Jack(off) Murtha(fucker) on military strategy will get you nothing but derisive laughter.)

    We tend to prefer sources that deal in objective fact around here. We’re not really big on opinion sourcing, since we prefer to form our own.

    While on the subject, if you can drop the occaisional link to your sources, (or even just a general “NYT online” kinda thing), it would be appreciated. We’re not saying that you have to link all of them, that would be somewhat unfair if WE don’t after all! But if you can give us some sort of idea of where you have found your information at, well, we’re all a bunch of information junkies. A new place to get our fix would be pretty damned cool.

    I guess I strayed in giving an original opinion, rather than something I had read.

    Oh, HELL NO! You gave your opinion, we told you what we thought of it, you defended yourself, and told us what you thought of ours. That’s what we call fun! Nothing more boring than an echo chamber, you know. (Also nothing more boring than watching trolls come in and, as Madame M so delicately puts it, leaving a steaming pile of bat guano on the carpet. And our definition of “steaming pile of bat guano” is anything along the lines of “Bush Lied! People Died!”, “We only invaded Iraq for the OOOIIIIIILLLLLLLL!”, etc.) (But I digress)

    If there is a problem with debates,

    Never! Just remember that the operative word is “debate”. Just keep it civil, is all we ask. (Okay, “civil” in terms of the arguments discussions you used to have with your friends in college in the cafeteria at the CAC, or in the dorm rooms at two in the morning. We’re not big on the rules of debate as taught in class. We’re far more free-for-all than that. Just think about what YOU are saying, and what WE are saying, and we’ll do the same. And, please keep in mind that all we know about you is what you say, and vice versa. It gets a little, uhm, “spirited” form time to time, but, in the end, we all still put up with each other.

    Hmm… Think of it as a backyard get together with neighbors who don’t always agree with each other, but like to talk. A lot. I would say it is not a “formal debating society”.

    I’ll just go back to spending all my time reading up on current events.

    Please, do keep up on current events, but you’re welcome to come back anytime. As previously stated, we appreciate your input to the discussion.

    And, should you run across current events that strike you as particularly noteworthy, you can always post a link to them in the comments here at The Rottweiler, most of us will read them.

    Enjoy your get together.

    It’s why we hang here. And I do believe the Boss has given you an open invitation to come back anytime.

    Good bye.

    How about, “Until next time”, instead.

    A side note. If you look through the “staff” in the sidebar, you will notice a reference to “DJ Allyn, Imperial Tech Wizard and Token Liberal”. Yes, he is both of those. Deej is a liberal, and he’s also the one that keeps this whole site running. We have a lot of fun arguing with him, too. (Yes, he gets called everything but a mammal sometimes, but he gives as good as he gets. (I called him a closet conservative a week or so back, I think he took it as an insult!)) There are others here who hold to very liberal viewpoints, and if you look around, you’ll figure out who they are. I guess what I am trying to say here is that we are not anti-liberal. We are pro freedom. Both individual and for society as a whole. We stand in strong opposition to those who would try to control others. We stand for a stable, free society. We believe that the government has no business legislating what we do in our private lives, what we believe, who we associate with, what we do with the things that we have worked for. We hang out here because Misha feels the same way. Most of the people around here are Christians. But you will find nothing but contempt for those such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who would attempt to FORCE others to believe as they do. To paraphrase myself in an earlier post about Islam. You can try to persuade me to your beliefs all you want, but if you try to force me to follow them, you are nothing but Walking Ballistic Test Media.

    Y’all come back now, y’heah?

  135. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    “… Shall not be infringed.”

    The framers of the Constitution well understood human nature and how men collude to enrich themselves at the expense of others; their fortune and their freedom. Unfortunately so many people in the USA do not understand this so they will lose both. Lacking knowledge they will suffer the fate of sheep - fleeced until their usefulness is gone and then slaughtered.

    Memorial Day. We honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice. Most did not do so with empty hands. In the final analysis, the only real safeguard a citizen has against tyranny is a good sight picture.

  136. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Thanks guys,

    I feel better. I thought I should go away after the comment about barbecue hang-outs and not debates. I don’t know if I’m up for this. I’m reknowned for hypersensitivity and try to avoid dog bites. I was hoping that being persistently civil would help. (plus I’m like that) The disagreements seemed to be over the contents of the posts, which is totally reasonable, not personal attacks.
    Rotties can be really sweet–it makes me sad to see them portrayed as vicious monsters. Actually, the dog death statistics for last year had a huge amount of pit bull caused deaths, followed by a slightly lower number of rottie caused deaths. I don’t now if that was because they were guard/attack dogs. Nobody bothers with schutzhund training, they just abuse their dogs to get them vicious. The Tuscon shelters stopped taking rotties in the early 1990s.

    Cheapshot911
    “When a statement run’s a-foul of easily accessed contradicting evidence, expect teeth.”

    –What’s the secret to getting the comment in one of those nice boxes?

    With something that’s an original thought, there isn’t necesarrily going to be corroborating information. I can’t prove that the Islamic terrorists are living out their tribal pasts. It’s just an idea. You make it sound like I would be shredded for not having contradictory evidence. I could find citations for most things I post, but originations from my twisted mind are not citable. (maybe incitable)

    By the way, Italy had honor killings in their past. If a girl had sex with her boyfriend, her family would hunt him down and kill them. Remember the case in the US? This girl (Pakistani I think) was about 16 and was trying to live a typical American lifestyle. Her father stabbed her to death.. I think she had an American boyfriend too, if you can imagine such a thing. {I do not think this is representative of Pakistani families in the US–they have assimilated extremely well}

  137. B.C., Imperial Torturer™ Comment by B.C., Imperial Torturer™

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    –What’s the secret to getting the comment in one of those nice boxes?

    Copy/paste the text that you wish to quote. Next, “Left Click” and highlight whatever text you wish to quote and then click the little “B-Quote” button up above the box you’re typing your comment in. Sometimes you have to hit the “Space Bar” or “Enter” in order for a change to take effect in your Preview down below your typing window.

    Note: The buttons “B” = Bold and “I” = Italics and they work the same way.

    Note to the Note: If you wish to link to a source, copy/paste the link URL, then do the same step as above to highlight some text, then hit the “Link” button and, when the little URL box pops up, paste the link in there and click “OK”. Viola! You’ve got a link posted in your comment. (Why they ever started shouting out the name of a string instrument as an exclamatory proclamation to a discovery is beyond me.)

    :mrgreen:

    It’s really not as complicated as it sounds. (Especially for one as intellectually-stimulated as yourself.) ;)

    *That was a friendly poke in the ribs, not a slam, BTW.*

  138. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.
    I’m sorry to post multiply. It’s just that I respond to posts and then I find eariler ones that I had missed. I hope it’s not annoying. I wanted to thank you for your advice. I’ll try to insert linkage more of sources. Normally I remember where I read things, but somethings things vanish into the black hole in my brain. I need to empty it out someday. One of the things I read is “The Nation,” which has turned out to have extremely reliable reporting. Would that blow anybody’s gasket to cite? It’s very intellectual, but liberal/left. It’s often very unflattering about the Democrats. Actually, it’s been piling up in the corner, so I probably won’t be citing it soon, except for the Blackhawk article. Wow–a private army fighting over there. The book was number 9 on the NY Times nonfiction list. It’s sitting in a pile in the corner. My house is consumed by newspapers and newsmagazines and political books. I’ve explained to the neighbors that rather than clean, I read newspapers. They are all psycho about spotless houses. I could care less, except that my order fetish is routinely violated by the debris.

    I’m glad I’m still welcome. I ran out of some critical medication and have been up all night popping benzodiazapines like candy to try and sleep. I might have been overly peevish to the post that said this site wasn’t about political debate. But it’s so much fun! I love non-confrontational debating. It’s invigorating. The only problem is that I put so much thought into my posts that eats away the only time I have to read the papers. The LA Times is very thorough, but takes forever to read. I should find a link to the article on the Baghdad photographer. It was so sad.

    Who is the boss? Emporer Misha

    Thanks for your time.

    helga (my real name)

  139. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    With something that’s an original thought, there isn’t necesarrily going to be corroborating information.

    Then, who would, necesarrily, take it seriously?
    Everything you think, you own. When you hold it up for scrutiny, by making statements, you foist a conclusion.
    I do it all the time.
    Statements containing or leading to unsupported/erronious conclusions that contradict widely held evidence are the the main muscle of the msm.
    You’re welcome to your opinions. I’m only interested in where you got em’. Chances are, the rest will have a look too. We all get smarter.
    If the discussion drifts into the weeds of confustion (or Heaven help you, we think it’s being directed there) expect them ol’ teeth.
    Confusion and deception are the enemy’s cheapest weapon.
    Don’t get discouraged, let go of the emotional baggage, save it for focused epithets. Stick with direct links a full quotes.

    By the way, we know for sure that our entry into the European Theatre during WWII was illegal as hell.
    Hitler didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor! /moonbatspeak

  140. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    psychochick

    I don’t know if I’m up for this.

    You’re doing fine so far.

    I was hoping that being persistently civil would help. (plus I’m like that)

    And showing that you have thought through what you are saying doesn’t hurt either.

    The disagreements seemed to be over the contents of the posts, which is totally reasonable, not personal attacks.

    That’s the way we like it. Snarkiness is fine and dandy, but we prefer the clash of ideas over the attacks of personal destruction. Not that we can’t do that, too. But ideas are far more satisfying. Most of us can do the insult thing in our sleep.

    With something that’s an original thought, there isn’t necesarrily going to be corroborating information.

    So? If it’s an idea you have, and you can kinda backtrack what led to that conclusion, it’s all good. If somebody disagrees with your conclusions, they’ll generally explain why that is. We dig original thought around here, and, ya never know, we might even agree with you. (To quote Judy Tenuta, “It could happen!”)

    I can’t prove that the Islamic terrorists are living out their tribal pasts. It’s just an idea.

    It’s a good workable theory. Just have to put it in the petri dish and see if it grows. I would accept it as a working hypothesis, so would quite few others here, I am sure.

    You make it sound like I would be shredded for not having contradictory evidence.

    Only if you can’t explain how you came to the theory, at least in generalities. Or if you tried to make it a statement of fact, without supporting evidence. Think of it as defending a thesis, if you will.

    I could find citations for most things I post, but originations from my twisted mind are not citable.

    They are if you label them as such.

    (maybe incitable)

    That is a Rottweilerian (I know, not a word, so sue me.) phrase if I have ever seen one.

    You will do well.

    By the way, Italy had honor killings in their past. If a girl had sex with her boyfriend, her family would hunt him down and kill them.

    Yes, they did. But not anymore. Their society has moved beyond that. It has evolved. Other societies have not. As you proceed to cite.

    {I do not think this is representative of Pakistani families in the US–they have assimilated extremely well}

    Nothing to argue with in this statement. Where we have a problem is with those who have come here and insist that WE must be assimilated by THEM. One of the reasons you will see such violent reaction to “Hyphenated-Americans” here.

    For an example, The Boss is an immigrant. If you ask him his national identity, he will tell you he is an American. He doesn’t hyphenate. Neither does anyone else here. It’s one of the few things that you will find us in general agreement on.

  141. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Cheapshot911

    You make it sound like i think up an idea to obfuscate. Does it contradict widely held evidence to think that these barbaric funadmentalists are the product of hundreds if not thousands of years of tribal history? I don’t think it’s unreasonable–it doesn’t contradict that they are Islamic radicals. No–I don’t have a citation. No–it’s not something that the media would pick up. It’s just an intellectual inquiry. Is that so evil?

    Most of my stuff is emminently citable, so what is the fuss about one uncitable idea?

    I haven’t mentioned this, because I thought people would go ballistic, but it remains me of parts of the Old Testament: stone the adulteresses (but not the men), kill your kids if they misbehave. It seemed like it also was the product of older barbaric tribes. I am all for the New Testament.

  142. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    You make it sound like i think up an idea to obfuscate

    Some folks have only that as a strategy.
    ‘Wasn’t accusing, insinuating, alluding, opposing,or lecturing you.
    Simply a polite attempt to show you the Coin of the Realm

  143. LC R.L. Hunter Comment by LC R.L. Hunter

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    psychochick,

    I’ll apologize if I sounded rude, I didn’t mean to.
    Informed opinion is always welcome.

  144. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Ah, Thanks R.L.
    Informed, active word. My ommission.
    If the opinion is informed, then there’ll be somethin’ to look at. My whole pointeroo.
    Them other opinions can signal a fresh chew-toy..

    (pant-pant) ;P~~~

  145. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Ten-Ten, thanks for the heads-up. Congresscunts are going to be contacted. Boy, did that little tid-bit throw me into a rage. Not to link-whore, but stop by my humble spot on the web for a mini-rant. Sure I curse like a drunk Baltic Fleet Sailor, but this crap really pisses me off.

  146. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    hi Princess Natasha

    I went to your web site to figure out what you were talking about and was kind of frightened. Granted, I’m a wuss and easily frightened. You’ve been really nice to me, so I don’t want to be disagreeable. But why should people be allowed to have AK-47s? You don’t worry me as much. I doubt you would be out there slaughtering people. Aren’t these guns really overkill for self-defense? I think you should kill the guy/gal who is trying to kill you. But wouldn’t a 357 Magnum to the chest work just as well?
    I really wouldn’t want criminals getting their hands on these. Most criminals get their guns from corrupt gun stores. They shut down a store in Santa Barbara for doing that, and the owners were whining about paperwork. The reason they didn’t have paperwork is because they were selling a large amount of guns to criminals! (I think the source was edhat.com) I had read about a store in LA that had a gun crime a day attributed to it. A large gun store was shut down for that reason. I wonder if it was the same store. I assume you don’t have felonies, so this would not be an issue for you.
    I know this will make me extremely unpopular, but the Second Amendment has never held up in court to allow individual gun ownership. They always come back to the well-regulated militia. However, gun ownership in the US is so sacrasant that that is never enforced. I used to live in Tucson, where you could legally carry around a gun. It did not make me feel safer! The old lady next door had a gun by her bedside, and my Doberman would go into her backyard at night. I would always be quietly going “Ruby” trying to get her out and hoping that we didn’t make too much noise and get shot. In hindsight, it was comical.
    We just had a murder here. It was a road rage thing, and the guys stopped and confronted each other. One punched the other. The other unfortunately had a gun in the car and shot the guy that punched him and killed him. There were serious self-defense issues, and the charge was reduced to manslaughter. However, he got 32 years in jail! Which I think is a total travesty. (Santa Barbara News Press) If he hadn’t had the gun, it would just have been a fight. (This area is really crime-free. I leave the house open when I walk the dogs. There is no reason here to carry a gun around except for hunting.)
    Now I realize other places are horribly dangerous, and you do need to worry about protecting yourself.

  147. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    psychochick

    Time for a quick lesson on the 2nd Amendment. All too brief I’m afraid because of time restrictions, but here goes.

    The intent of the 2nd Amendment is to provide the people (I.E. us) the means to overthrow a tyrannical gubmint.

    “Arms” as referred to in the 2nd mean light infantry weapons, exactly the class of weapons AK’s and other eeeevil “assault weapons of mass murder and mayhem! Boo” fall under.

    Criminals predominately get their weapons from the black market, not corrupt dealers, although there are those. The black market procures them from illegal smuggling and theft.

    The 2nd Amendment has never been ruled to be a “collective states” right. The last time teh Supremes ruled on the 2nd Amendment was Miller, where they held that a sawed off shotgun owned by Miller was not a militia weapon suited to military use and therefore Miller, NOT a member of the organized militia I.E. the National Guard, was in violation of the NFA. The SCOTUS has referenced the 2nd A along with the 1st, 4th, and 5th as an individual right. The 2nd A is constructed very simply, and when you read the Federalist Papers the meaning of militia (lower case), state (lower case) and the People (upper case)is very clear.

    Owning a firearm or being around armed citizens isn’t a matter of “feeling” safer, it’s a matter of taking the responsibility for your own safety into your own hands rather than expecting someone else to risk their life to protect you (cops).

    BTW, leaving your house open when you walk your dog, not smart. Just because you live in a “safe” neighborhood doesn’t mean the goblins don’t have cars. They seek out people in neighborhoods like yours. Please be safe and never take your personal safety for granted. Believe me, I see the results of that to often in my job.

  148. ORWAC86 Comment by ORWAC86

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    Check out who got a FIRST on this posting! (and a 9th).
    God bless Casey and all the rest.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/28/more-heart-ache-st-cindy-quits-the-anti-war-movement/

  149. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    I have never understood how anyone could have assumed gun ownership was a collective states right. First of all, the Bill of Rights refers to individual rights. Secondly, there was no national guard around at the composition of the Bill of Rights. Your militia was the men working in the fields. Able bodied men were expected to own means of self defense. As for me personally…no such thing as a nice neighborhood. Where I live seems that way, a rural small town, friendly people, where damn near everybody owns a gun or two. I own four, the wife and I target shoot .45’s, his and hers, also a pump twelve and a rifle. Now do I feel safer?……Actually I do, knowing I do not have to hide frozen with fear my family might get killed by some freak as I wait for the cops to show up. Being immortalized as a template for a chalk line not high on my ambitions list. Three of my guns are in a safe at the moment, a forty-five is concealed, loaded and at the ready for the wife and I should we deem it appropriate. She and I both wanted a pistol that would put somebodies ass away for keeps, hence the forty-fives. As for the corruption, well…arms smugglers a biggie, far more than gun dealers who are highly regulated. The main point being, human nature being what it is, crime will always be with us, sick minds will also be with us……..corrupt, power hungry governments will always be with us. I tend to remind people the main reason I became a life member of the NRA was because of governmental power grabs…from the left or the right.

  150. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    psychochick:

    Couple of minor points you may have missed due to lack of coverage:

    1) Miller (the ONLY case the Supremes have EVER heard remotely covering the Second Ammendment: Miller DIED before the Supreme Court heard his case, and no argument AT ALL was put on for his side. Therefore, they never heard evidence that a short barrel shotgun is an effective and suitable military weapon.

    2) Most criminals get their guns the old-fashined way. That is, the are ultimately stolen property.

    3) Indeed, a .357 magnum to the chest is very effective, inside about 50 yards (depending on the user, of course). That is excluding the fact that it is usually (although not always) easier to score a hit with a rifle. The AK-47 is not a particularly powerful rifle (less than the venerable .30-30 round that has been used for well over a century).

    4) The AK is no different MECHANICALLY than any other semi auto rifle on the market - it just looks uglier than most. As info, the shots you see on the nightly news usually show FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons, which have been regulated since 1934. BTW, since the regulation of fully automatic weapons (yes, it is possible to obtain one legally), do you know how many have been used in a crime in the United States or it’s Territories? One. Cop shot in Puerto Rico by a PR Separatist, back in the ’70s. Otherwise, fully automatic weapons are a way to use a lot of ammo blowing holes in the sky, make a lot of noise, and scare the hell out of people who don’t know any better.

    5) Since there is no difference between an ugly gun and a pretty gun, other than better PR, where do the Gun Control people intend to stop? And, please trust me, it’s not about Gun Control, it’s about Control. Period.

    6) Handgun Control Incorporated / The Brady Campaign has as their stated goal the complete disarmrament of the American Populace. They say OPENLY that the intend to do this incrementally. Therefore, even though I personally do not own an AK, I draw the line. “First they came for the Communists, but I wasn’t a communist, so I didn’t care”, etc. See Martin Niemuller.

    Wil

  151. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Psychochick

    Most criminals get their guns from corrupt gun stores.

    Uh, no. Sorry, but that bit of misinformation, while commonly stated, is not true. Every firearms that comes into a gun store for sale and leaves afterwards is tracked. Where it came from, who it was sold to, etc. And no sale can be made to any person who cannot pass a federal background check. It doesn’t happen.

    Now, let’s say that persons in the store were violating the law in order to obtain weapons for criminals. All Federal Firearms Licensees are subject to audits at any time during business hours. If the BATF (the controlling agency for firearms in the US), has received an excess number of what are referred to as “traces”, (a trace is an inquiry as to the provenance of a firearm recovered during a criminal traffic stop or at a crime scene), to a particular FFL, then an audit ensues. (There is no particular number of traces in a given period that will lead to an audit, but I believe it is in the neighborhood of one percent of firearms sales by a particular location.) During the audit, several things take place. The records of the store will be compared to the guns actually on hand, and, if there are discrepancies between the two, questions will be raised. If it is discovered that weapons were being sold without paperwork, then everybody involved can find themselves facing felony charges, from the owner down to the clerks. It’s not a fun time.

    What is more common is what is referred to as the “straw purchase”. This is a situation in which a felon has someone else, who can legally purchase a firearms, make the purchase for them. I manage a gun store and shooting range part time, and it is something that we watch for very carefully at our place. It still happens every once in a while, but I personally have turned down three people in the last two years whom I suspected of making straw purchases. And I informed the FBI that I believed that this was what was taking place at the time of the attmepted sale. This, while the National Instant Check was taking place.

    I would suspect, in the case of the Santa Barbara store, either their paperwork was not properly filed, or, it is possible, an employee was doing something very stupid.

    I seem to remember an LA gun store that was shut down by the owners after their employees were caught knowingly making an excessive number of straw purchase sales when they should have known better. (This is one reason I am so strongly opposed to commission sales in the gun business. I have no interest in whether a particular customer purchases a firearm or not. Thus, it does me no harm to refuse to someone I suspect of attempting to acquire a gun illegally for another person.)

    Criminals predominately get their weapons from the black market, not corrupt dealers, although there are those. The black market procures them from illegal smuggling and theft.

    Here is the actual truth of the matter. Why should Jerome Crackhead go into a gun store and have his girlfriend (who has never been arrested for anything), spend $585.00 of his hard earned crack sales money for a brand new Glock Foh-Tay when he can instead just trade fifty bucks worth of crack for it from one of his customers who burgled it out of some citizen’s house?

  152. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    By the way, for those paying attention:

    There may soon be a SECOND Second ammendment case. The D.C. Court of Appeals (widely accepted as the “senior” Appeals Court of the U.S., and immediately below the Supremes) has decided “en bank” (that is, all of them sitting the case), that the D.C. gun ban is unconstitutional. The basis for this decision: 1) The Second Ammendment is an individual Right. 2) That Individual Rights pre-exist the Constitution, and therefore are not subject to Government Regulations. 3) That the D.C. Gun ban is a Collective Punishment of innocent people who are not criminals. 4) That there is no “Pressing Public Need” for the infringement of general rights. 5) That the need for the people to be able to defend themselves outweighs the need of the Government to regulate otherwise lawful behavior.

    The Government of the District of Columbia has promised to appeal. As there is no intermediate authority, this is destined for the Big Boiz, if they accept the case.

    BoooYahhhhhh!

  153. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    OK Crunchie and Caveman
    Again I bow to your superior knowledge of the second amendments. You’re so damn knowledgable!

    I didn’t feel safe in Tuscon, because I was worried about being shot by stupid assholes carrying guns. As far as having guns for safety, I wasn’t going to go into this, but I have had a decades long problem with suicidal depression. It would NOT be a good idea for me to have a gun around. I bought one at one point when I was really depressed, but my husband found the receipt and made me cancel it (the waiting period saved my life). I do have a territorial dog, who would attack anybody who entered the house by force. however, it is possible to disable dogs. He has a lot of heart, but he’s only 50 lb.

    I wasn’t going to go into this, since you all are happy gun owners, but statistically one of the factors of having a long life is not having a gun. But it sounds like you guys are all properly trained. One of the previous owners of my house shot himself in the foot while cleaning his gun. Kind of odd.

    We all spy on each other in this neighborhood. There is a good chance somebody would notice something. But I will take locking the house under advisement. It couldn’t hurt.

  154. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC Wil
    Somehow. I missed your post. I must just be an idiot. Thanks for the comments. I’m a Brady Campaign member, and nothing I’ve ever been sent talked about totally eliminating guns. I will look into that further–it’s important. I actually would be opposed to getting rid of all guns.

  155. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    The point I was trying to make is that it is not some bureaucrat’s place to tell me what I do and don’t need. Period. Who the hell are they to dictate to me what guns to use? Who the hell are they to tell me how much force is enough? Why is it automatically assumed that if the individual is a politician, they are automatically smarter, higher and better than us common mortals–and can tell us what to do? Why is it assumed that politicians have some kind of special rights (to control our lives, for instance) that other people do not have? These power-hungry wastrels are forgetting that they are there to SERVE, NOT TO RULE. This bill illustrates that “forgetfulness”. This is not just about my right to own whatever tool of self-defense I am comfortable with. It is about my natural rights as an individual human being, which no nifty-titled slimeball in a fancy hat has the right to take away or limit in any manner whatever.

  156. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Besides, I am better with the AK than with the .40 cal Glock, which is also very nice, but tougher to shoot, at least for me.

  157. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    “Democracy is based on the proposition that one million are smarter than one person. What? Totalitarianism is based on the proposition that one person is smarter than one million. Somehow, I missed that one, as well.”
    - Bob Heinlein.

    “Democracy Must be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.”
    - Ben Franklin.

  158. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Psychochick, I am so glad you are still hanging in here, holding your own. As you may have noticed, I am a firm believer in individual rights, to say the least. Not only that, but I also believe that these rights are natural to you, the individual, by virtue of you having been born a human being, and therefore are not subject to restriction and regulation. They stem from our unique nature, not from the whim of some legislator, king, or priest. As long as I am not initiating force or fraud against others, I have a right to do whatever I please. Whether it hurts ME or not is nobody’s damn business but my own. That is the reason I oppose a nanny-bill like this one, and many others that are basically nonsensical legislation that elitist assholes try to push down my throat “for my own good”. NOBODY, and I mean, NOBODY, especially not some pathetic loser who cannot succeed in the real world and only aspires to control others, has a right to tell me what my own good is. Only I am to determine it. Only I am to bear the consequences. That is it.

    I should have warned you before I jumped into the discussion that I am a token anarchist around here, a “white crow”, really (Russian expression for “black sheep” but I’ll be damned if I call myself or others here “sheep”).

  159. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Dont’ feel bad, psychochick…….. You’re a hell of a lot smarter concerning firearms than many I have known. It does sound that as if your neighborhood is anything but boring. Considering your medical history perhaps it should be a factor. Other factors, like drunks owning guns. I don’t like that, won’t handle guns under the influence of medications. I don’t drink, being a recovering alkie sixteen years sober. Ownership is also a responsibility. If you don’t know how, than don’t. Find somebody that does and get them to teach you how. Guns don’t do anything by themselves except rust. I really enjoy target shooting. I’m no expert shot, by any means. One fool I know shot a nice hole with his new .357 right through his new refrigerator. No, the warranty didn’t cover it. Another put a 30.06 round through his new mattress and the floor beneath. But it remains my personal belief that gun bans do not work. Any more than drug bans or any other type, save deoderant. Prohibition was a rousing success…look what it did for Al Copone. The secret for me was becoming familar with my guns. I secure them. Ten minutes ago I just finished cleaning my forty-five. You can never check too many times to make sure it is not loaded. You can check too few. But we have some real gun pros here, like crunchie, Guido and such. They know a lot. What somebody here doesn’t know…somebody else does. You are right though, a lot of folks shouldn’t be allowed to brandish guns in public, they do not take the responsibility seriously. Like that road rage accident. I would have just figured he would finger me and split. No problem…if he tried to run me off the road, a different matter entirely. In the end thugh…..no government in my mind can tell me what I can do to protect myself. None of their business, besides, they all have armed bodyguards.

  160. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Here is a nifty little link that explains my philosophy in a nutshell. It’s brief and to the point.

  161. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Psychochick, I don’t know if you clicked on any links off my site, but here is a nifty little summary of my philosophy. Brief, stylish and to the point….

  162. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Oops! Management! I thought my first comment (#160) got memory-holed, so I re-posted (#161). Please remove one of them, it doesn’t matter which, the link is the same.

  163. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    http://gawker.com/news/ghetto-pass/ghetto-pass-person-of-the-year-you-caucasians-223528.php

    Laugh?

    I thought I’d die!

  164. Unregistered Comment by Beartrapper

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    Well I might be proving that I am indeed an old fart, but my understanding of the 2nd amendment goes back to 8th grade civics. Our teacher explained that it was indeed a prevention against government tyranny. I believe he also had something to say about watering the tree of liberty etc. This view has stayed with me ever since, and is really the only one that makes sense when your trying to enumerate a list of individual (not collective ) rights.
    The catalyst for the revoloution was in fact an attempt by the Brits to capture an arms cache at Lexington and Concord. This was not lost on the founders when they decided to write down the rules that would limit government powers, which is excactly what the Bill of Rights is.
    I love my country, but I do not trust my government.
    Therefore I do not trust it to protect me or mine so I will provide for these needs myself.
    Caveman, while I understand and respect your concern for safety, if you have to unlock and load your weapon in an emergency you may lose precious seconds that you will never get back

  165. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Princess Nathasha,

    I have a bad sinus infection, and everything is starting to blur. I think I checked on one of your other links for the AK-47. This link was beautifully done, although a little on the long side (I want to go back to bed). I get it–you aren’t an anarchist at all–you’re the other L word! I went back to the isil link, curious beast that I am. That explains the fury of your issues with gun control.

    Interesting, I’m curious to ask your opinions on a range of topics, but don’t want to get too personal.

    Actually, aren’t sheep nice and cuddly?

    Thanks for the support. It’s mostly been wonderful. I love debating. Some things I violently disagree with, and others are new things to learn. I probably overreacted to Harley’s post about this being a backyard barbecue instead of this being a debate forum. I should apologize to him. I was up all night and was kind of pissy. The other guy was rude, but I handled him okay and then pissed off someone else in the process. Oh well. I’ll try not to be too psychotic. That would be rude!

    I think it’s really fascist to impound people’s houses and cars when they’ve been selling drugs (low level dealers). Does anybody else agree with that?

  166. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Wil, I have to point out, just to keep the facts straight, that the Whollyweird bank robbers both used select fire AKs on their little morning stroll.

    But other than those incidents, the use of full auto weapons in crimes is unheard of. Scumbags stick to pistols and shotguns that they or some other scumbag boosted from someone.

  167. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC R.L. Hunter

    Thanks for the apology. I probably over-reacted. I thought you were telling me debates weren’t welcome and thus to go away.

  168. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    psychochick

    I think it’s really fascist to impound people’s houses and cars when they’ve been selling drugs (low level dealers).

    Mendacious is the term I would use, personally.

    Does anybody else agree with that?

    Oh, HELL yes. If this shit is going to happen, I would rather see this sort of thing applied to those who steal millions from investors, (Michael Millkin (sp?) for example), or from the companies or utilities that they control (David Wittig and Douglas Lake). (NYTimes.com registration required)

    Although in the case of the latter two, they did at least have to pay restitution. Now, whether they do actually pay this ordered restitution or not, my electric rates have increased by about ten percent as a result of what these bastards did. And I know I will never see that money coming back into my pocket.

    And Millkin paid a couple million dollars in fines and did three years. After embezzling an estimated 320 million. He still has that money.

    Okay, I’ll to be a little clearer. Court ordered restitution is one thing. Automatic legalized theft, (which is what I consider the taking of cars and other possessions of low level drug dealers), is another thing entirely.

  169. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Wil

    “Democracy Must be more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.”
    - Ben Franklin.

    And freedom is an armed sheep contesting the vote.
    - Someone else (?)

  170. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    MoMinuteman

    Wil, I have to point out, just to keep the facts straight, that the Whollyweird bank robbers both used select fire AKs on their little morning stroll.

    just a clarification. Those were illegal conversions or imports, not legally possessed full autos. And that was not really what I would have considered a bank robbery, since information left behind by the two of them clearly stated that their purpose that morning was to kill cops more than anything else.

  171. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    MoMinuteMan, # 165:

    Wil, I have to point out, just to keep the facts straight, that the Whollyweird bank robbers both used select fire AKs on their little morning stroll.

    You are quite correct, sir, and solely caused by poor editing on my part - my intended statement was LEGALLY OWNED fully automatic weapons, not fully auto weapons in and of themselves. The weapons used by the Bank Robbers in Hollywood were both illegal versions.

    Good Catch, and my mistake.

    ==============

    The hell of it is, unless you are really well trained, full auto is just a waste of ammo. Spray and pray just doesn’t work well. Ask anyone who has had the opportunity to “supervise” a newbie on a live fire line. How many rip off a 30 round magazine without hitting a damn thing?

    Yes, an expert can do well with full auto. On the very, VERY damn few instances when you need F/A, you need it real bad, RIGHT NOW (hostile room entries comes to mind). But for most of us, Full Auto is, at best, a theoretical exercize, best left unexplored.

    It’s usefullness to criminals, other than to impress the uninitated, escapes me.

  172. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    It’s usefullness to criminals, other than to impress the uninitated, escapes me.

    Wil, F/A serves two very useful purposes (BTW, true full auto, not 3 rd burst which is very useful in a plethora of situations).

    1. Suppressive fire.

    2. It’s just plain fun! Hence my class III Uzi.

  173. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Crunchie,

    2. It’s just plain fun! Hence my class III Uzi.

    Radical Redneck sez the Uzi makes me look Eeeeevvviiil!

  174. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    C’mon, crunchie!

    Suppressive fire, if done by two or more, is just as effective on 3 round burst as with F/A. Of course, with practice and coordination, but that’s Ol’ Sarge’s Job, right?

    But, just pure FUN is always an excuse. It is that, always (and believe it or not, my favorite is the old M-3 Grease Gun, and second place is the M-93 Beretta. Yes, the 3-round burst Beretta will do a full 20 round rip, if you ask it nicely . . . )(kinda dates me, don’t it.)

  175. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    That wasn’t the Uzi Ten! Although she did have that affect on quite a few people at the fest didn’t she? I think cheapshot’s chicag typewriter looked a helluva lot meaner.

  176. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    . . . and just how in bliddy hell did we get from “Rosie is a fat worthless sweat hog” to the relative merits of various full auto palythings, prithee?

  177. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Wil

    I was thinking a GPMG on a tripod actually.

  178. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    . . and just how in bliddy hell did we get from “Rosie is a fat worthless sweat hog” to the relative merits of various full auto palythings, prithee?

    Thats the beauty of an open thread Wil! Besides, ain’t like it’s the first time it’s ever happened.

  179. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Psychochick, if you want to discuss anything with me, please feel free to either catch me here or leave me comments on my site. I am still in the process of learning more and more about individualist philosophy and human freedom, but really do we ever stop learning?
    Yes, I agree it is fascist to steal property from individuals, even if they are dope-pushers. If they have earned the money to buy the property the right way, i.e. not by force or fraud, there is no reason to take it away from them… But… this is all part and parcel of the so-called “War on Drugs” which is nothing but an outrageous scam and an attempt to wage war on Americans. War on Drugs pays… And it pays well. Both big-time dealers AND the government are profiting from it, as freedom is eroded.

    In general, make enough things a crime, and you’ve got control of the whole population. It is damn hard to control an innocent man.

  180. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Ah, the M-93 Beretta, man I drooled for one of those for a long time. Thanks for the memories Wil.

  181. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    *drool* Full auto playthings….
    I better start writing my Christmas wish-list…

  182. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    You’ll get plenty of full auto playthings in basic training Nat, have fun!

  183. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Natasha, while you are Basic, if perhaps, they allow you to fire a M-2 Browning .50, go for it! It’s the most fun you can legally have with yer clothes on.

    Lot to be said for Dragon and Tow AT Rockets, as well. M-203 Grenade launchers are a kick in the pants, and the night fire range is pure bliss.

    You will love it, once you get past the PT (at best, a drudge) and the little exercizes in futility the Drills will throw at you (hint - if they ask “DO YOU LIKE ME PRIVATE?” there really isn’t a right answer). Roll with the flow, and update us when you can.

  184. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Actually, aren’t sheep nice and cuddly?

    They’re tasty and a lambskin rug is a treat in front of an open fire.

  185. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Especially while drinking a nice stein of grog, right Sire?

  186. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Especially while drinking a nice stein of grog, right Sire?

    Oh yes. After a long day of skinning bunny rabbits for a big pot of hearty stew…

    Ahhhhh. Heaven!

  187. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    for a big pot of hearty stew…

    Make mine with extra baby seal!

    YUM!

  188. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Wil Sez:

    . . . and just how in bliddy hell did we get from “Rosie is a fat worthless sweat hog” to the relative merits of various full auto palythings, prithee?

    Think about it Wil… Which image would you rather have in your head, You on the firing line with the rock-n-roll weapon of your choice and a truck load of ammo…

    Or Rosie O’Sweathog???

    As for me, Hand me another magazine while I wait for the barrel cool down….

  189. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Which image would you rather have in your head, You on the firing line with the rock-n-roll weapon of your choice and a truck load of ammo…

    Or Rosie O’Sweathog???

    How about an image of Rosie to practice your groupings on? Lots of room for that ya know. Even with me canting left I can still hit center on that broad expanse.

  190. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Which image would you rather have in your head, You on the firing line with the rock-n-roll weapon of your choice and a truck load of ammo…

    Or Rosie O’Sweathog???

    Combination of the two actually, me on the firing line, Sweathog a little further down range.

  191. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Jaybear sez:

    has anyone ever thought of holding a contest to design a Rottie coat of arms to award to LC’s?

    just a thought

    Well it is not a coat of arms, but it is…something, if anyone is still reading this thread anyway…

  192. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, rock ‘n roll, by all means.

    The only way those two concepts belong in the same thought group is if one is being used on the other . . .

    G”nite all! Have a great night, and say a prayer for someone’s favorite Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman tonight.

    “Father in Heaven, Protect and Cherish the souls of those who have protected our freedoms. Keep them near, and comfort their loved ones, until all may be united in Your Glory.

    Amen”

    Again, Absent Friends.

  193. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Crunchie

    Ya mean like this?

    Though this is still my favorite shot from that series

    This state isn’t friendly for rock and roll and cans in private hands. SBS, SBR, AOW, and LBDD, though, are another story…

  194. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Oh yes. After a long day of skinning bunny rabbits for a big pot of hearty stew…

    You, you, skin your own bunnies?
    What, when you so richly deserve something,,better,,to keep your brood cozy,,help some injuns ‘a bonus.

  195. Ten-Ten Comment by Ten-Ten

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    Boss,

    Someone must be giving away State Secrets, to wit:

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/death-star.htm

  196. Unregistered Comment by DukeFenton

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    Comment by psychochick

    Actually, aren’t sheep nice and cuddly?

    Recently bathed and clipped sheep seen over the rail at the county fair are nice and cuddly. On an average day sheep are dirty, smelly, and greasy (they secrete lanolin). Few things are grosser than muddy wool.

    And they’re dumber than a bag of rocks.

  197. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Update to my last comment:
    Here it is after a few adjustments, I don’t think the other link works.

  198. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Nice profile,,, futuristic, but,,
    where’s the teeth?

  199. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Yay! I test-drove an H-2 today. I am in love! It’s mine after I’m done with basic. Prius-driving pussies, beware! Muahahahahahahaha!

  200. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Cheapshot911 sez:

    Nice profile,,, futuristic, but,,
    where’s the teeth?

    Right I’ll get on that…look for the new version tomorrow or the next day.
    (I still have to finish my last couple of exams this week.)

  201. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    ‘Never to be the critic, one needn’t read far to see fangs flashin’ in this blog.

  202. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Ok. I lied. Here is it with teeth.
    I never do study much anyway. It’s boring.

  203. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Any more suggestions? They can only help. Anything?

  204. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Just a thought, since the Artistic genes passed me completely, but bigger fangs, and mayhaps crossed cartridges (.45 / .308?).

  205. Merc Comment by Merc

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    The only thing with inserting larger fangs is…they don’t really fit, but I’ll see what I can do, later.
    As for the mags… that’s an idea, ill put that in the new version.

  206. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Told ya, I’m not an artist. See what’s possible. I like it so far.

  207. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    I NEED HELP! (that should be obvious)

    How do you keep track of your posts of the different threads?

    Do threads go away during the day?
    I was really annoyed by one post and thought during my whole 40 min drive about what I would post, and it doesn’t seem to be there. (A comment about getting rid of professors)

    Some threads seem to disappear over night.
    It’s very frustrating. I usually put a lot of thought into my posts, since I am the minority here. 1) I want to be intellectually rigorous, and 2) I don’t want to get shredded into lunchmeat. I stay up really late, so I probably post right before they are removed to their timely archive. I found it last night, and now it’s trying to hide from me. (It’s the aliens–I need to wear the tinfoil)

  208. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    How do you keep track of your posts of the different threads?

    Do threads go away during the day?
    I was really annoyed by one post and thought during my whole 40 min drive about what I would post, and it doesn’t seem to be there. (A comment about getting rid of professors)

    Some threads seem to disappear over night.

    They don’t. They just get pushed down the page a bit as new ones appear above them. The Rott is forever :)

    One way of keeping track of the posts you’re participating in (other than making a written note of the title or permalink of each post) is to check off the “Notify me of followup comments via email” box right below the comment box, but it can make your inbox kinda busy if you’re a prolific writer. Of course, you can always “unsubscribe” later if you want to.

  209. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Emperor Misha
    Thank you. Initially I did the notify thing and ended up with over a hundred posts. I was overwhelmed.

    The last Misha I knew was a woman. Am I correct in remembering comments that you are male?

  210. LC FIAR Comment by LC FIAR

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    Misha is a guy, and he sounds like a laid back Brit for some reason, even though he’s Danish.

  211. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    The last Misha I knew was a woman. Am I correct in remembering comments that you are male?

    Indeed you are.

    I don’t know where that whole thing about calling girls “Misha” came from, because it’s a very male name.

    Probably happened around the same time people started calling chinless boys “Lindsey” and urging them to run for the Senate. Well, except for the fact that giving that particular boy a girl’s name might have been eerily prescient (no insult to actual girls and/or women intended).

  212. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Psyco, my new friend:

    I NEED HELP! (that should be obvious)

    We all do. No man is an island, and all that . . .

    Old posts never die - you just gotta scroll down farther. ;)

  213. LC FIAR Comment by LC FIAR

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    The posts may fall off the first page as well. There is a page guide at the bottom of the main page

  214. Merc Comment by Merc

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    Here is the new version with more ammunition and guns in it. (Sorry LC Wil, bigger fangs wont fit without changing the head)
    Better? Worse? More suggestions?

  215. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    I Like It. I supposte I can live without the six inch long, poison dripping vampir fangs ( :( )

    Lets see what the rest of the kids think, then send it up to the boss for a vote!

  216. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    MMaaaann,, Psychochick,
    You’re livin’ up to your handle there, lettin’ stuff goin’ on here try to share processor time with your drivin’.
    I was all impressed with Natasha’s two wheel rodeo, but dealin’ with The Conspiracy in whilst in flight?

    [pours rotgut]
    *Clink*

  217. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Cheapshot911

    glad you think I’m unworthy

    I’m not sure exactly what you’re referring to

    -the comparison of exterminating all muslims as being comparable to a hate crime? (probably extreme, but I think it was merited, or I wouldn’t have risked the hatred for posting it)

    -my concern about being a police state?
    it ain’t your phone that’s likely to be tapped. I have never committed an act of violence and am not planning anything seditious. The worst thing I do is make intellectual arguments and belong to all sorts of organizations that I don’t dare mention
    if you get a wrong number call from a terrorist, you could be whisked away to some other country and tortured for information. Is that not a police state?