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The dearth of free ice cream continues, we’re afraid, but here’s an update on some of the things not work related keeping His Vindictiveness busy.

As you may know, LC, Management™ & IB Lord Spatula (or “Spats”, as he’s known affectionately around the Empire), got hisself well and truly hitched this past weekend, Friday to be exact, and it was His Imperial Majesty’s great honor to be there to witness the joyous occasion since we were invited, for which we’re very grateful. Sharing such moments with your friends is always a great honor.

We shan’t go into great detail about the event itself (or the great surprise that had been arranged for him and his lovely bride at the reception later that day), since he’s promised to do so himself once he gets done being busy with — other things, we suppose. It might take a while.

On Saturday, we (the Lord Spatula, his new daughter, LC & IB Beth and her two quite grown heirs and, of course, yours truly, our Empress and the Heirs) went to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights at the local gun range, firing copious amounts of ammo from a variety of weapons that would make Sarah Brady wet her Depends in speechless horror. Good times.

Apart from borrowing the Lady Kimber for a few thousand rounds (we suspect, based on the happy hum she was emitting when she was handed back to us), one of LC & IB Beth’s twins expressed an interest in Lyudmila, proving his excellent taste in firearms. So we loaded up a magazine of yummy 7.62×51 NATO and handed her to him, showing him the naughty bits and casually adding “but you’ve fired a rifle before, I’m sure, so you know where it’s at.” Turned out that the fine young lad hadn’t.

After a moment’s pause reflecting on the pure Evil™ in letting his first rifle be an angry mule (a couple of Aussie tourists standing behind us earlier when we’d sent a few rounds downrange immediately went “Blimey!” and “what is that thing? A Bazooka?”) and another moment to wipe the wicked grin off of our face (we are evil, after all), the better half of our personality took over and we gave some more detailed instructions about what to expect, with added emphasis on “whatever else you do, pull that bugger into your shoulder hard before pulling the trigger.” We also let him know that the scope wasn’t zeroed in, or indeed meant for short distances, so it would go a couple of inches lower than the reticle.

Undeterred, he took his first shot, corrected his aim point and sent the next round right into the middle of the “X”. His Majesty was quite impressed. Even more impressed when the next 6 or so joined their comrade in a nice, tight group. Not bad for a first time military battle rifle shooter, not bad at all, particularly considering that the Lady Lyudmila, being anything but a poodle shooter, kicked the snot out of his body with every shot. She’s not gentle, let me tell you that.

So he put the rifle down, we chatted a bit and I commended him on his technique (some people just “get” it, and he sure did) and then he rubbed his undoubtedly sore shoulder a bit and said “can I shoot it some more?”

“Why, of course!“, I replied after just enough time to pick my jaw up off the ground. This young lad was tough. “But why don’t we run the target all the way out to the 25 yard mark this time just to demonstrate the effect of a scope?” So I did, and he sat down and proceeded to nail the center of the target again like he’d been doing it all his life, all the way until it went “click.” 20 solid, merciless kicks to the shoulder and not as much as a whimper, nor a single miss or flinch. The young man is a natural, let me tell you. Of course, I already knew that, having seen him pulverize targets with the Kimber before, but man… I’ve seen grown, bulky recruits moan and gripe like babies after half of their first magazine, flinching like crazy and sending rounds everywhere except for in the target, but this young man went through a full 20 without as much as an “ouch.” And I know it must have hurt him, but that’s focus and discipline for you. If he joins the Armed Forces later on in life, he’s going to have a good laugh when firing the .223 poodle round, wondering if it fired at all. Anyway, Beth: Get that young man a rifle. With some intensive training on the finer aspects of riflemanship, he’s going to be downright scary!

But wait, it gets better!:

Throughout the day, the two Imperial Heirs had been behaving quite well, except for endless pleadings about being allowed to “fire a real rifle” and, since they’re not getting any younger and they were both there anyway, we thought that it might be time to see how they’d behave “under fire”, so to speak. First of all we wanted to find out how they’d behave on the firing lane with guns popping all around them, so we dressed them up in goggles and ear muffs, told them in no uncertain terms to not stray as much as an inch from His Majesty and NOT TOUCH ANYTHING! Having gotten the required “yes Sir!”s from both of them, we grabbed one in each hand and took them in there. Both of them did what they were told and behaved in an exemplary fashion, but it was a crowded day and somebody was rock’n'rolling with an M-16 on the lane next to us, so Christian decided that it was a bit loud for him. Can’t say as I blamed him. With all the shooting going on at the time and the fact that they’d never been near live fire before, I was impressed that they didn’t run away screaming.

Luke, on the other hand, was completely unfazed by it all. He wanted to go back in there and shoot in the worst possible way. “Alrighty then”, I thought to myself, “might as well let him.” I’d be right there, after all, and we’d already gone over the safety rules numerous times at home, to the point where they won’t point their cap guns at anything or, more importantly, anybody. They’re nowhere near fully trained, obviously, but with close supervision they’re alright. And they listen quite well. Of course, that may have to do with the tone His Majesty uses when teaching stuff firearms-related. It’s the only way we know how, and it does work with 18-year-old recruits. But we digress…

So we borrowed a Ruger 10/22 and a box of ammo and went back in there. Time to see if he’d really learned anything. And he had. He didn’t touch anything until I told him to, he held the rifle exactly the way I told him to (as much as he could, since even that small rifle is a wee bit large for a kid his age) and, most importantly, he aimed and waited patiently until his daddy told him that he could shoot when ready. Not a finger on the trigger until he got the green light, even though I knew that he was itching to do so. I couldn’t have been more proud if I’d tried. Oh, and he hit the target too. Quite well, I might add. And he didn’t as much as twitch an eyebrow when the aforementioned guy in the next lane unloaded 30 rounds on full auto.

The Empress had observed the whole thing from outside, of course, and Christian was tugging on her wanting to go back in, so we exchanged a glance and agreed that maybe it was time for the little ones to grow up a bit. When I handed back the Ruger, Luke was going “can I keep it, daddy?”, and I answered “no, buddy, you can’t, but how would you like to have your own?” His eyes became as big as hubcaps and the biggest grin I’ve ever seen appeared on his face. “Oh yes, please!”

“Well, why don’t we take the two of you shopping, then?”, we replied.

After much searching (apparently Wal*Mart is out of the rifle business around here), we finally found a store that had some “kiddy rifles” and, after having let them look at and hold the ones on display, we asked them which ones they liked the best.

And that is how the Heirs ended up with a matching pair of Henry Mini Bolt .22s. Not a bad choice for a first rifle, we’d say (and we got a very good price on them too, which never hurts). Granted, the manager was a GFW with a ‘tude but hey, the horrified look on his face as he escorted us and the Evil Rifles™ out of the store was an added bonus. The guy who sold them to us, on the other hand, was One of Ours™. Splendid fellow and thrilled pink to see two new members of the Nation of Riflemen.

Sunday was spent educating two very happy and excited little boys on their new responsibilities, even more safety rules, the dire consequences of NOT following all of the rules to the letter, how to aim and operate their new possessions, some more safety drills, how to strip their rifles, more safety rules, stern admonitions, testing that they’d understood what they’d learned, then some more testing. It’s a testament to their excitement that it wasn’t in the least diminished by their daddy barking at them on and off and, more importantly, that they actually remembered what I’d taught them.

Satisfied that they’d understood, particularly the part about losing their new rifles immediately if they didn’t follow orders or if they misbehaved in the slightest, we loaded up on Monday and went back to the range to let them try out their new plinkers, one at a time. This time it wasn’t near as crowded and noisy, and I’m proud to say that they both behaved like model shooters. Not an infraction of the safety rules among them, and they were very attentive and focused little boys. At one point, I was wondering why Luke hadn’t fired yet, he’d been aiming for quite a while, and asked him. “Because you haven’t told me that I could yet, daddy”, he answered, which was true. I’d been distracted for a second and had forgotten to give the permission and he, being a good little boy, had patiently kept his finger off the trigger, waiting for me.

They made me very proud, let me tell you. Oh, and they blew the bejeezus out of the targets too. Didn’t take them long to figure out the iron sights at all. Not quite sniper school material yet, of course, but they didn’t shoot outside the “8″ ring once. But, most of all, they had a great time of it, taking to the whole idea of shooting like fish to water.

Oh yes, the Force is strong with these two.

And now’s the time we do the Happy Dance. Three new Riflemen for the Empire!

YAY!!!

80 Responses to “What a Weekend (Plus: The Nation of Riflemen Grows)”
  1. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    Congratulations to You and Yours, Emperor. Your recruiting numbers just continue to grow (not that I’m surprised by the addition of these two - it was only a matter of time, with You as their Imperial Pop.)

    “YAY!!!” back atchya.

  2. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Thank you, Beth!

    Ahhhh, my heart swells with pride!

    Add to that the warm and fuzzies I get from thinking about all the GFWs going “The HORROR! Will Nobody Think of the CHILDRENNNNN™?” upon learning of this and I think it’s fair to say that this was a perfect weekend, in every known sense of the word. :D

  3. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Too cool! Congrats, Great Emperor, on such success with introducing the Heirs to the Eeeeeeviiiilll Guns!
    Happy dance is in order!

  4. Unregistered Comment by jetfxr69

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    How old are the heirs? I’ve a nine-year old who’s been shooting his own Daisy air rifle for a year now, and will be graduating to either the Henry or the “Chipmunk” rifles later this summer.

  5. Unregistered Comment by Firehand

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    An excellent beginning, indeed!

    Started teaching mine with each reaced seven, and they loved it.

    When the son joined the Army last year, the M16 was indeed a light rifle to him: from age 11 on, his favorite two rifles to shoot were a Model 94 in .30-30 and my #4 Mk1 Enfield. Picture a kid weighing about 80 pounds sending .303 downrange and running me out of ammo.

  6. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Brilliant and the timing was spot-on Brother !!!-

    Although I got the quick version of the recent addition to the Nation of Riflemen courtesy of the Empress yesterday, I do appreciate a good and proper review of the details. Great choice in starter plinkers too! Good to see another family tradition maintained, similar to my own.

    Now more importantly, we need to discuss matters of eugenics social contacts. Seems I have some suitable progeny a bit to the west of the Imperial residence. Perhaps the upcoming sekret Ambassadorial migration to the southwest will present some interesting opportunities. Do the heirs like blonde/blue-eyed girls?

    Yes it’s quite a few years away, but proper planning is essential to a good plan and Brother Crunchie has already opted out of the experiment negotiations (I got witnesses).

    :-)

  7. chuck Comment by chuck

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    It is great to hear that I wasn’t the only father to take my kids to the range as part of our Memorial Day experience. I don’t have an extensive arsenal but we had a good time with what we had. My eight year old shot my new SA XD compact in .45 ACP for the first time. He put ten shots inside four inches and said it kicked a little but man, was it fun. When we left the range his dad was beaming.

  8. chuck Comment by chuck

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    Oh and my fourteen year old enjoyed shooting my scoped .35 Rem Marlin lever action rifle also. It is a rifle that will definitely get your attention

  9. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    How old are the heirs?

    They’ll be six this Fall. Well, what can I say? They were ready :)

    Do the heirs like blonde/blue-eyed girls?

    I’m not sure they’re even aware what girls are at the moment, except that they might have the cooties ;)

  10. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    I’m not sure they’re even aware what girls are at the moment

    Give it ten years more or less, and it will change. At that point, be afraid, very afraid, trust me.

    :mrgreen:

  11. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    What part of well regulated militia do you not understand?

    militia - formed by government
    well regulated - regulated and controlled by government

    Government has the entire say over who has guns. Where. And when. And government has complete control over when to seize them. Only those in government and approved by government can have guns.

    So easy even all the inbred con-servatives can understand!

    President Gore will assure this!

  12. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    Congratulations and applause, Sire!

    …And “Harley Race” must be a satire troll.

  13. Cheapshot911 Comment by Cheapshot911

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    Now class, here is an exxxxelent example of an uninformed opinion.
    Having not bothered himself by reading the speeches and quotes from the debates leading up to the selection of those precise words,,the troll is quickly self-betrayed as a garden variety gfw moron.

  14. James, Imperial Mercenary Comment by James, Imperial Mercenary

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    Congrats, Emperor.

    I had a great weekend too. My best friend got hitched on Friday and I was the best man. The stag party was great…with 8 pistols between the 5 of us, and shotguns all around, we had a blast!

  15. AldineConservative Comment by AldineConservative

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    Listen you communistic troll! The government has no say over my guns. Those who want my guns want my right! Not in a pigs eye!

    I have not been to the range in years. I wonder if there is one that is nice in Houston?

  16. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Actually, I really don’t like guns, and it kind of creeps me out that you are all so into them. But it’s a free country, and I think it’s really smart to train kids on how to handle them if they are going to be around guns. I hope this doesn’t sound sanctimonius (who me?). I’m sincere. It does kind of sound like fun to blast away at things.

    Out here, a guy was target shooting at an old stove, and the bullet ricocheted back at him and shot him. (That seems like a seriously freak accident.)

  17. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Congratulations to the newly married couple! To the troll out there, fuck you and if you want my gun then you are welcome to come and get it if you dare.

  18. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Out here, a guy was target shooting at an old stove, and the bullet ricocheted back at him and shot him. (That seems like a seriously freak accident.)

    And that’s all it is. Not an example of how eeevil the guns are. They are power tools, for a purpose, no less and no more. Just like with any other power tools, there is a risk of injury and even death. Nail guns, chainsaws, power drills, jackhammers, air compressors, blowtorches… Hell, my garage is full of stuff that potentially can kill and maim… Should it be banned or regulated? Hell, no. So why are guns different? Seems like it’s a subjective fear of certain power-hungry weasels determined to stay at the feeding trough at all costs.
    And I, personally, stand a lot more risk to be injured while riding on the highways on the Evil Crotch-Rocket of Doom™ than with any of my guns, of which I have 7.

  19. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Listen harley,

    what part of “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” don’t YOU understand.

    Oh I forgot, that part of the 2nd Amendment is an inconvenient truth for you marxist idiots isn’t it….

    keep cherry picking the Constitution Brudda, live by the rights that you and yours hallucinate into it…like the right to an abortion….

    Just keep your rat claws off of the rest of it, you know….the parts that all of us reality dwelling Americans live by.

  20. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    The troll is satire, pay it no mind. It must be a new Imperial court jester still learning the ropes.

  21. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Good on ya Misha. My Dad started my firearms training as soon as I was old enough to be curious about them and big enough to properly handle one. He figured that the more I knew about them, the safer I would be. And if I remember correctly that was about age 5 or 6. And they are a constant part of my life.

    And as a result, now at age 43, having a firearm in my paws is as natural as breathing to me. I have never had a weapon fire unless I intended it to, I have never shot anything that I didn’t intend to, I will doubletriplequadruple check a weapon while cleaning it to be sure it’s clear, and actually feel naked if I don’t have a weapon on me or within arms reach.

    The Imperial Heirs will be well served and well prepared with your early and knowledgeable instruction in the proper handling of firearms.

    I regret the fact that I don’t have heirs of my own to pass this honorable tradition down to.

  22. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    PICTURES! WE WANT PICTURES!

    Damitalltohellandgone! You have three different stories running here (the Wedding of the Century, and two different ‘First Time” stories), and you did not print a SINGLE DAMN PHOTO?

    What, you don’t have a camera? You don’t KNOW anyone with a camera?

    ({[buy their books, send then to school . . . ]}) Damn.

    Alright, I just kicked the price of a brick of .22 into the tip jar. Next time, I want PICTURES.

    Comprende?

  23. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, and Harley, old boy?

    Yer a fookin’ idiot. Go tell your mother she wants you.

  24. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Princess Natasha sez:

    The troll is satire, pay it no mind.

    that may be Princess, but it’s fun practice nonetheless.

    p.s.

    does your shoulder still ache from firing that AK?

  25. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    Can’t you Kluxers do anything that doesn’t leave a huge carbon footprint? Hanging minorities aint good enough - you have to kill trees and burn a cross as well.

    Which of your big oil corporate masters sponsors your cross burnings?

  26. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Can’t you Kluxers do anything that doesn’t leave a huge carbon footprint? Hanging minorities aint good enough - you have to kill trees and burn a cross as well.

    Which of your big oil corporate masters sponsors your cross burnings?

    shades of ollie w…….now I KNOW you’re not for real

  27. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    harleyfaggit:

    Can’t you Kluxers do anything that doesn’t leave a huge carbon footprint?

    No. Your fairy ass gonna do something about it? I bet when we fry your fat ass we will need about a half ton of offsets.

    Hanging minorities aint good enough - you have to kill trees and burn a cross as well.

    Just in your yard. We know where you are. We have technology to get past the aluminum foil beanies now, and we are coming. Don’t go to sleep, little one! Cerberus is hungry, and will not be denied eating their fill.

    Bwaaaahhhhhhhhh!

  28. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Which of your big oil corporate masters sponsors your cross burnings?

    ExxonMobil.

  29. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Which of your big oil corporate masters sponsors your cross burnings?

    Close but no banana there WankleyRace. We actually fund all our projects from liberal/carbon/faggot offsets, carefully laundered by BushHalliburtonCheney Company.

    You should see the methane/hydrogen sulfide ‘footprints’ we left after the TampaFest 2007.

    Jaybear- Ollie was last seen fending off a female manatee mob during the rutt.

  30. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Which of your big oil corporate masters sponsors your cross burnings?

    Corporation for Public Broadcasting

  31. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Jackboot sez:

    Jaybear- Ollie was last seen fending off a female manatee mob.

    are ya’ sure it wasn’t a rosie o’donnell look alike convention?

  32. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Misha,

    Congratulations. I have to say it’s been sometime since my first gun, a .22 mail-ordered from Sears when I was about 11 or 12. It was a five shot, bolt action rifle but I soon traded it for a Marlin semi-auto.

    psychochick, a lot of people like guns for a variety of reasons.

    Do you like the fourth of July? For some people they like the crash and the boom.

    For some people it is like golf, you aren’t playing against others, you try to be the best shot you can, hopefully improving your accuracy by practice.

    For some they want to be able to protect their families and desire to be adept at using firearms for that reason alone.

    There are probably a host of other reasons people have for their affinity for firearms. I’m sure that there are a lot of people right here willing to share why they have guns around.

    My reason is sort of a blend of all three that I mentioned. I want to be able to defend my home, my wife and myself if someone is stupid enough to come in when we’re home. It has happened in my county even though I live in a rural area of the state.

    I also like the feeling I get when I can see that I’m getting better at hitting what I aim at. I’ll never be a competitive shooter but I still get a kick out of it.

    I also like to shoot things that crash and or smash when bullets hit them. A friend of mine has a trash pile that he uses until it gets full enough to make a truck load then he hauls it off to the landfill in one load. He lives about eight or nine miles out in the county and there is a hill behind the trash pile so there is no danger of bullets going astray. We usually shoot cans and glass bottles. I also fill balloons with a couple of tablespoons of flour before I blow them up. When you shoot them there is a nice little puff of white.

    I don’t put anyone (well almost anyone) in danger with my weapons. The only people who might get hurt are those trying to hurt me or mine and they deserve what comes their way. I’m not going to wait for the police, even if they responded in record time it would be long enough for the bad guys to kill both my wife and I. I’m not going to chance it.

  33. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Corporation for Public Broadcasting

    Dangit Jaybear- That’s confidential information. I’m pulling your invite for our next lynching.

    Hah !!!

  34. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    are ya’ sure it wasn’t a rosie o’donnell look alike convention?

    hmmm…you could be right, how can you tell the difference anyway? At least the Manatees have a good reason to smell like fish, eh?

  35. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    Grand Wizer Jackboot sez:

    Dangit Jaybear- That’s confidential information. I’m pulling your invite for our next lynching.

    Hah !!!

    DAMMIT!!!, does that also mean that I can’t stick around to play “Who’s got the funniest thing on under their robes?” DAMMIT!!!

    Oh….harley…I forgot you were here……you may go now

  36. Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M Comment by Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M

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    Happy dance indeed, Sire, and great to see new riflemen added to the empire.

    I learned to shoot at the age of eight, and my first rifle was an old Winchester Model 1911 pump-action .22 with an octagon barrel. My grandpa could strike a match with it, best I ever did was shooting aspirins off a fence post at 20 paces.

  37. Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M Comment by Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M

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    And a question for the troll, just to keep the fires burning…

    When asked what the Militia was, George Mason, one of the Framers of the U.S. Constitution, said, “Who are the Militia? They consist now of the whole people, except for a few public officers.” Yet we also see statutes like 10 USC 311, which defines it as “all able- bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 13 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States.” Some state statutes define it as “able-bodied males” of different age ranges, such as 16 through 59.

    So where in there does it say that the militia is only “formed by government” and only “regulated by government”? The militia is THE WHOLE PEOPLE.

  38. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Congrats Misha, I envy your youngsters.

    My father would have given his right nut (well, someone’s right nut anyway) to be able to teach me to shoot my very own .22, but the GFW’s in charge of my homeland robbed him of that right.

    And funny thing, the Imperial Heirs have been shooting about as long as I have….. and are better than me already :) Damn these old eyes….

  39. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Psycochick:

    Actually, I really don’t like guns, and it kind of creeps me out that you are all so into them.

    Not meaning to freak you out, it just that most of the people (not all by any means) who gravitate here enjoy playing with, er, . . Adult toys, I suppose. Some people play golf to relax. I shoot. Every time I go to the range, i am in competition with my own previous best effort. Once upon a time, I competed with other shooters. Now, I do it just for the sheer joy of mastering both a mechanical device, and myself. Some of the others here are shooters for their own reason.

    It is, of course, your choice, and I have read most of your previous posts, and I understand if you have some distaste. We shoot for the same reason some climb Mount Everest. Because it’s there.

    But it’s a free country, and I think it’s really smart to train kids on how to handle them if they are going to be around guns.

    Absolutely. Most “accidents” involving kids and guns (which, btw, is a number going down each year, as both the population and the number of guns in society, goes up) are caused by unfamiliarity. The forbidden will always have a facination that is hard for parents to overcome. As a fall back position, if you are looking for a mantra to teach your own kids, go with “Don’t Touch! Leave it Alone! Tell an Adult!” My girls both know the penalty for touching one when daddy isn’t around.

    I hope this doesn’t sound sanctimonius (who me?). I’m sincere.

    Not at all. An honest opinion is alright.

    It does kind of sound like fun to blast away at things.

    Most fun you can have with your cloths on! If, mayhaps, yer ever in Northern Virginia, drop me a line, and I’ll be more than happy to bring you and my girls out for a little range session. I’ll supply everything except the open mind.

    Out here, a guy was target shooting at an old stove, and the bullet ricocheted back at him and shot him. (That seems like a seriously freak accident.)

    Seriously freak accident (the ricochet back at him), and seriously a stupid thing to do. Most accidents are preventable. Murphy wrote most of the safety rules. Ignore him at your peril, as evolution doesn’t give a damn.

  40. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Congrats Sire! Congrats Spats and Mrs. Spats! Congrats Heirs!

    Glad to hear that you all had such a wonderful weekend. And great news about the heirs and their shoot-em-ups.

    As for Harley…if you don’t stop shitting on the carpet I’m gonna get pissed. You wouldn’t like to see me pissed.

    Actually, I really don’t like guns, and it kind of creeps me out that you are all so into them.

    I own a gun and I also have a CCW permit because it’s damn hard to carry a cop. I am not going to be put in the position of having to hope that there’s a cop, or someone else on hand if someone decides to either break into my home or try to attack me in the Walmart parking lot, or on the road if I happen to be driving alone.
    If you feel safe simply dialing 911 and hoping the cops aren’t taking a lunch break, then of course that’s your choice. I don’t. I do not want my survival depending on how many miles away a patrol car is, and how fast they can show up. When they do show up, I want the only thing they have to do is call the coroner and draw a chalk line around the perp…not me.

    Oh…and guns are damn fun to shoot.

  41. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    does your shoulder still ache from firing that AK?

    Not any more, thanks for asking. I am ready to blast that S.O.B. again! Maybe tomorrow or on Thursday. Today I played around with another symbol of capitalistic excess that makes commies shit their britches: I drove a Hummer H-2. Planning on taking one of these beauties home after I return from basic. Yowza!

  42. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC Mrs. M-ITT™
    Wow. What state do you live in? In some places, it’s damn near impossible to get a CCW. You don’t worry me, because you seem like a responsible gun owner. What about a Taser?

    But it makes me nervous to have people walking around with guns. How do I know they won’t shoot me? I am kind of jekyl and hyde. I’m usually really nice to everybody, but when someone is an asshole, I get right in their face. probably unhealthy and stupid.

    We live right by a police substation. They would be here in minutes.

  43. LC FIAR Comment by LC FIAR

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    Psychochick

    What if “Minutes” is too long? What if “minutes” means that the police show up to investigate a murder scene, and you’re the victim?

    But it makes me nervous to have people walking around with guns. How do I know they won’t shoot me?

    You don’t, but you also don’t know that a goblin isn’t going to shoot you either. A goblin would be a non-law abiding thug. One who does not care if guns are legal, or if CCWs are legal.

    Now consider that gun control laws only apply to those who abide by them. Those who violate the law have guns, and those who respect the law do not. Which of these groups seems more likely to shoot you? Which seems more likely to want to defend you, were it not for the gun control law?

  44. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Psychochick Sez:

    But it makes me nervous to have people walking around with guns. How do I know they won’t shoot me?

    A couple of weeks ago I was at the service desk at Wally World, waiting in line to cash a check. Some loud mouth S.O.B. got in line behind me wanting to complain to the manager about how long it took for him to check out, bitching and moaning about his life in general, and giving his wife a ration of shit to boot.

    When I got to the desk and presented my check to the clerk, Mr. Loud, Dumb and Obnoxious said, “Great, Now I have to wait for this bastard to cash a fuckin’ check…”

    I turned around and politely told his wife, “Excuse me, Ma’am…” Then turned to him and said, “Fuck you asshole.”

    The whole time my Ruger P90 .45 ACP pistol was in my IWB (inside the waistband) holster, and I never even thought about drawing it, even though I was pissed at a waste of DNA.

    An armed society is a polite society, and I have been a lot more polite since I have been carrying everywhere I go.

    The moral of the story is, you don’t have to worry about those of us who are responsible, law abiding gun owners and carriers, and in fact, if the shit hits the fan, you’ll be damned glad to have one or more of us around.

  45. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    Wow. What state do you live in? In some places, it’s damn near impossible to get a CCW. You don’t worry me, because you seem like a responsible gun owner. What about a Taser?

    I’m guessing you’re looking for a non-lethal self defense alternative, Psychochick. The problem with Tasers is threefold:

    1) Tasers aren’t necessarily non-lethal; they’re just less lethal. They often work…but sometimes they work too well and a cop and/or his department end up getting sued for wrongful death (because the tasered subject turned out to have a heart condition or other unknown medical problem. Or was just unlucky.)

    2) And sometimes tasers don’t work at all. One account I read some years ago of the Rodney King incident, written by self-defense expert Massad Ayoob, noted that the cops initially tried tasering King. King, who was hyped on drugs and adrenaline at the time, simply yanked the darts out of his chest and threw them back at the cops. At that point the cops figured they would either have to shoot King or beat him into submission, and accordingly four of the officers pulled out their PR-24 batons and waded in.

    (Ayoob noted in the article, as I recall, that LAPD at the time only trained their officers to deliver blows with their batons. There are a number of submission holds and come-alongs that can be used with that particular model of baton, but LAPD didn’t teach that part of the manual-of-arms due to “cost-cutting” measures. Heh.)

    3) The only time you are justified in drawing a weapon against someone is if you can reasonably believe that you are in danger of being killed or grievously harmed. If you aren’t justified in drawing a weapon, it won’t matter if it was “nonlethal.”

    And if you are justified in drawing a weapon in defense of self or others…you might as well be carrying as effective, and lethal, a weapon as possible. Because your life and the lives of those you care about are at stake.

    That’s just my two cents, anyway.

  46. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC FIAR

    Thanks for your concern, and the law-abiding citizen is probably less likely to shoot than a criminal. But people do lose their tempers (except for LC MoMinuteMan).

    As far as waiting for the police, I wasn’t going to go into this, but I have a long history of suicidal depression and would be way safer not having a gun.

  47. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    Wow. What state do you live in? In some places, it’s damn near impossible to get a CCW.

    I live in the Corruption Capital of the US. Louisiana. Considering how they love to give the citizens of this state the shaft regarding taxes and pocketing as much as they can fit in their jockstraps, they at least don’t screw around with stupid gun laws. Mainly because one of the primary money makers for this state is outdoor sports. If it makes money, they don’t f*ck with it.

    Getting a CCW is a matter of going through the classes, passing the shooting qualification and submitting to an extensive fingerprint and background check.

    You don’t worry me, because you seem like a responsible gun owner.

    The majority of all CCW holders ARE responsible gun owners. We have to jump through too many hoops and bark for too many biscuits to NOT be responsible. We make the choice to take the responsibility for our own security and that of our loved ones, and in some cases for those others whom cannot or will not arm themselves. It’s the criminals and those that won’t take that responsibility seriously that you have to worry about.

    You could be standing in the middle of a gathering of every gun owning and toting Rott, and be far safer than you would by going to downtown San Francisco on a Saturday Night. We are not the type of people to pull a gun on someone just because they piss us off. Those guns are for saving our lives when someone has decided that we should not be allowed to continue to breath. I would only draw my gun on someone who is threatening actual physical harm. I know, and everyone else here knows, where the line is. You are grouping far too many people into far too tight a demographic. You are assuming that anyone that owns a gun will more likely act in a violent or criminal manner simply because they have a gun.

    But it makes me nervous to have people walking around with guns.

    Well until you can offer up a way to stop the black market, there’s no way to keep criminals from getting guns, and until the criminals can no longer get guns, we the honest citizens of this country will own guns. By punishing honest citizens with gun control laws that prevent them from being able to protect themselves and doing nothing about the criminals, you most certainly need to worry about that criminal walking behind you with a gun. Because the chances of an honest citizen or police officer being close by to intervene with equal force are greatly reduced, thus increasing your chances of becoming another crime statistic, and those chalk outlines don’t look good on anyone but a goblin.

    How do I know they won’t shoot me?

    Unless you only hang out with criminals, drug dealers, or gang members, chances are they won’t.

    I am kind of jekyl and hyde. I’m usually really nice to everybody, but when someone is an asshole, I get right in their face. probably unhealthy and stupid.

    Yeah…cause there’s a good chance you’re going to let it go too far and that can be interpreted by someone as a physical attack and you can get your ass shot, stabbed, kicked, slapped, bit….whatever that person has to defend themselves with they will use if you come at them in that manner. You have to be responsible for your own behavior as much as someone who is armed. All it takes is your cutting loose on the wrong kind of person and you’re pushing up daisies.

  48. LC FIAR Comment by LC FIAR

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    psychochick

    As far as waiting for the police, I wasn’t going to go into this, but I have a long history of suicidal depression and would be way safer not having a gun.

    I can understand your concern. I’m in the same boat myself. I have Bipolar and I’ve been in the looney bin for it. While I don’t own any firearms myself, because I think that I am too unstable, I most certainly, vehemently defend the right of ownership.

    I believe that the First and Second Amendments are not only rights in and of themselves, but are also the only 2 with the power to protect the rest.

    If something is an injustice, you write about it, you speak about it, you gather together and protest about it. You do what you can to change it. When that fails, and I mean REALLY fails, you have no alternative but to hit the reset button and start over. THAT, more than anything else, is why the 2nd Amendment exists.

  49. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC FIAR
    Yeah, me too. Luckily I’ve avoided the looney bin. I’m way happier since I’ve been properly diagnosed and treated.

    Anyway, about grouping guncarriers as dangerous people who might shoot people. I should admit a personality flaw. Especially when confronted with rude drivers, I would be tempted to shoot someone. I am probably projecting my own instability onto you guys, which is unreasonable. Sorry. Didn’t really realize I was doing it.

  50. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Thanks for your concern, and the law-abiding citizen is probably less likely to shoot than a criminal. But people do lose their tempers

    While people do lose their tempers, what comes with the territory of gun ownership is RESPONSIBILITY. When you own a firearm, you also accept that you are responsible for what is done with it.

    It’s just like driving a car. You accept the responsibility of operating it in a safe manner, not driving while impaired, not creating problems for other drivers, etc.

    Someone that is willing to learn what is actually expected of a gun owner is particularly careful, not only because you have the power to materially affect (or end) someone’s life, but because it is possible to lose the ability to legally own your gun(s) with a moment’s stupidity.

    In my part time job, I carry a .45. I have people come into my store who are truly wastes of oxygen, who really get on my nerves. But I don’t lose my temper with them. I simply inform them that they are no longer welcome on the premises.

    For some reason, they tend to leave quickly…

  51. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Must be that charming, genteel bedside manner you’re know for, Guido….LOLOL. Besides your love of your life having an affection for submachine guns…….

  52. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Speaking of guns……I can see the police station from my house, two blocks away. Would I wish to wait for a cop? No…..for the last killing in this town, some fifteen years ago, was a man, drunk, in violation of a restraining order, break into his wifes house, shoot and kill both their children and himself. She heard the shots…..and ran to the police station….directly across the street.
    As for government controlling guns, they don’t. Never have in civilian hands, never will. As for those wishing to take them from us….I have yet to see one of those gutless wonders volunteer…….course it may have to do with me telling one gutless wonder to his face I would flat out kill anybody coming for mine.

  53. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    Dangit Jaybear- That’s confidential information. I’m pulling your invite for our next lynching.

    Finally one of them (jackboot - appropriate) admits what everyone knows. When you are under OUR control you wont commit Hate Crimes!

    In the meantime, if you have to hang brown people and burn crosses, at least buy the gas from Citgo and support Hugo’s equitable, enlightened and uber-egalitarian society!

    Is that too much to ask?

  54. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    at least buy the gas from Citgo and support Hugo’s equitable, enlightened and uber-egalitarian society!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHA! *snort*
    Ohhh that is seriously funny shit there!
    Ok Harley…you have over played your hand on that one dahlin. There’s NOBODY (except Slinky Shitcan and Dummy Goober) that thinks that Hugo is nothing but a tin pot dictator that needs to take a serious dirt nap.

    But thanks for trying.

    Johnny! What do we have as a parting gift for our contestant?

  55. Unregistered Comment by C-M3PO'd

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    HardleyRace sez:

    In the meantime, if you have to hang brown people and burn crosses, at least buy the gas from Citgo and support Hugo’s equitable, enlightened and uber-egalitarian society!

    Oh yeah! Hugo, that swell fellow who shoots students who disagree with him, and closes TV stations that don’t tow the party line. That’s a damn fine society he’s promoting there.

    …And CONGRATS to everyone involved with the original topic of this post!!

  56. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    Just though i’d vent… crunchie gave me the CCW course free! so I fill out the application, get it notarized, get a 75$ money order.. go to police station for the electronic finger print submision which is supposed to make the application less than a month…

    Screw job me didnt bring the provided print card figuring that was for regular prints and fancy eprint me need no old time print card right ?

    Fucking crap because I get a letter from the department sat saying I need to print on their card.. so I head to the PD and they tell me well your prints are on the computer at the HQ which is a hour out… POS!

    So WTF can I do? nada.. I dont have a car so I will take the bus tomorow downtown and go get my prints..

    Thank g-d I love to read so i’ll just sit my ass on that bus and read…

  57. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    I’m pissed cuz I been waiting a month… dying to carry.. leaving back to israel june 21st and praying like crazy I get the damn permit back ASAP!

  58. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

    “crunchie gave me the CCW course”

    What does that mean? I’m not military.

    Sorry about your bureacratic troubles. you’re lucky you can read on a bus–makes me nauseous

  59. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    I’m pissed cuz I been waiting a month… dying to carry.. leaving back to israel june 21st and praying like crazy I get the damn permit back ASAP!

    I know the feeling Elchonon….it took mine and M’s about 70 days apiece to get ours in the mail, but then we got the Florida Non-resident ones….Florida residents get processed first when they come in.
    It sucks hun, but keep a good mind about it…you’ll have it before you know it.

    “crunchie gave me the CCW course”

    What does that mean? I’m not military.

    Crunchie is a qualified CHL instructor Psycochick. He gave Elchonon the CCW course free of charge.

  60. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    What does that mean? I’m not military.

    Sorry about your bureacratic troubles. you’re lucky you can read on a bus–makes me nauseous

    Means conceald carry weapons.. you have to take a 4 hour firearms course, usualy costs 75$ but crunch is a licensed instructor and gave me the course free!

    I am 22 and never had a car.. here in miami and nyc its either walk or bus (or train in nyc) in israel its walk, bus and hitching..

  61. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    Mrs M,
    I am pissed because the guy at the PD was the most insensitive piece of shit… my hgearing sux to say the least.. and he had 0 patiance to slowly explain the situation.. out of fustration he even threw my license onto the counter.. he kept abruptly answering my question and leaving the window.. after my last question he says “bye!!!!!!”

    Hey screw him.. I just took the bus home, mapquested the downtown HQ, checked city bus map and determined I can get the bus directly from near my house straight there…

  62. LC Mrs. M-ITT™ Comment by LC Mrs. M-ITT™

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    usualy costs 75$ but crunch is a licensed instructor and gave me the course free!

    Sure wish $75 was all we had to pay. It cost us each $140 for the class and $114 each for the license. Of course we could have gotten a discount on the class had we taken it at the same time…but of course we didn’t find THAT out until M was taking his class. Mine was two weeks later.

    I am pissed because the guy at the PD was the most insensitive piece of shit…

    That seems to be the main qualifier for that particular job. They have to have their sensitivity removed before being considered for the position.

    Keep hammering away. You’ll get it straitened out.

  63. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Elchonon, sorry for the troubles buddy. It’s usually a lot smoother up here in Palm Beach County. Don’t worry, you’ll get it.

    psychochick, I’m an NRA Law Enforcement Handgun and Shotgun instructor and a state of Florida licensed firearms instructor. CCW means Carry Concealed Weapon, means the license to carry a firearm or weapon concealed. I helped elchonon out because of concerns he had for his family’s safety in Miami, it’s what we Rotties do.

    Jackboot

    Yes it’s quite a few years away, but proper planning is essential to a good plan and Brother Crunchie has already opted out of the experiment negotiations (I got witnesses).

    And I’ve got an e-mail to Misha (complete with photos) opting right back in after a recent “Daddies asleep, you get his handcuffs and I’ll get mommies makeup and shampoo. Lock the bathroom door” incident just the other morning. I practically begged the Emperor to have the Heirs take my “angels” off my hands, retroactively to the aforementioned incident.

    And lastly (and certainly not least, as a trip to the Imperial Game Room taught me) Sire.22 cal Crickets before they were born (family tradition, like the .410 shotgun my dad bought for me) that are waiting for them to be old enough to use.

    Way to go Sire!

  64. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Whoa, something went wrong there. that should have read

    And lastly Emperor (and certainly not least, as a trip to the Imperial Game Room taught me) , congratulations! You definitely should be proud! The Princesses are only 4 but I’m starting them down the same path. They love to shoot their BB guns (Daisy Red Ryders of course) and are the most attentive and cautious I’ve ever seen them be when it comes to anything at all doing with either their BB guns or daddies real guns. I bought them .22 cal Crickets before they were born (family tradition, like the .410 shotgun my dad bought for me) that are waiting for them to be old enough to use.

    Way to go Sire!

    Some weirdness with my box there. (BC, open door there for ya buddy!)

  65. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Hey, my first linky thingie and it worked! Thanks BC!

  66. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    Crunchie needs a official title..

  67. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Crunchie needs a official title..

    Well, we could call him what bangie-thang does, but this is allegedly a family-friendly site.

    :lol:

  68. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Crunch, your post about your girls and their Red Ryders made me remember something from my childhood…

    I had a Ruger 10/22 and a Winchester 1894 .30-.30 and a single shot 12 ga. looong before I had a BB gun. I didn’t get a BB gun ’til my early teens, Dad thought they were too dangerous.

    What a long, strange trip it’s been…

  69. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Well, we could call him what bangie-thang does, but this is allegedly a family-friendly site.

    Pritee, Sirahh, whatever might that be, Hmmmmmmm?

  70. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Well dammit, I just did my part to convert myself from an unarmed victim to a well armed Resident Alien (thanks for the freedoms America!).

    I already had a very nice Yugo SKS 59/66 (which will remain as I found it in it’s service condition) but I added a nice Mosin Nagant 91/30 and an Mossberg 500A (18.5″ and 28″ barrels, so I can hunt Goblins and fowl should I choose to) today, and still had change from $300 (can anyone say more ammo?).

    You can see from my fondness for Eastern Bloc toys and plain-jane pump actions that I like stuff rugged and simple, for I am the untrained (self trained which is twice as bad!) semi-literate peasant who needs moulding into something vaguely resembling a rifleman. In a bad light. If you don’t have your glasses on.

    I’ll post my first set of targets for the Stalingrad Postal Match once I get the hang of a bolt action (I ain’t never fired one before, so……).

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ!

  71. Empress Sofia Comment by Empress Sofia

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    PICTURES! WE WANT PICTURES!

    Damitalltohellandgone! You have three different stories running here (the Wedding of the Century, and two different ‘First Time” stories), and you did not print a SINGLE DAMN PHOTO?

    What, you don’t have a camera? You don’t KNOW anyone with a camera?

    Blame the lack of pictures on me!! I meant to grab the camera, but the boys were screaming “come on Mama!! Lets GO!!! The range closes in 5 seconds!!”

    LOLOL They were only just a weee lil tiny bit excited to go shoot their rifles. I promise to take pics next time!! I was really disappointed that I didnt have the camera as well.

    I was VERY proud and impressed at how well they handled themselves at the range. I really dont think there was anyone at the range (there were SEVERAL people waiting their turn at a lane) that I did NOT show their targets to. Heh PROUD Mama!!

  72. Unregistered Comment by LC Elchonon, Imperial Chief of Civil Disobedience

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    Well, we could call him what bangie-thang does, but this is allegedly a family-friendly site.

    I always thought the bangie thinfy was his rifle ;)

  73. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Well, we could call him what bangie-thang does, but this is allegedly a family-friendly site.

    She calls me a few things JB, all depends on what we’re doing! But you’re right, I don’t think any of ‘em are real appropriate. Imperial Bringer of Multiple O’s might work. *patting myself on the back* Where did the smileys go, a wicked grin or a
    devil face is really needed somewhere in there.

    MoMinuteman, same with me. I had a .410 shotgun before I was born. I don’t think I had a BB gun until I was 10 or so and dad figured I was old enough to be trusted with it on my own. It has been a long trip. I remember riding my bike through the middle of the small farming town I grew up in in Ohio with my best friend Danny, one hand on the handle bars, the other holding our .22’s. Rode right past the cop who knew we were going to hunt rabbits. Man, what would happen now?

  74. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    Milady, glad to hear you’re as proud as the Emperor is. Y’all are dong a fine job with the heirs.

  75. psychochick-and off my meds Comment by psychochick-and off my meds

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    crunchie
    I thanked you on another thread and wasn’t sure you would see it. I wanted to thank you for debating and being nice to me. I am now officially evil and being pilloried, so I am going away. You can probably tell that from how my name has changed.

  76. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    psychocick, you’re not being pilloried any more than any one else ever gets reamed here. We’re a rough, un PC bunch and we tend to get a little vitriolic. I’ve done it many times myself. Don’t take anything that’s said personally against yer self. Any attacks on you are not on you as a person, but on your views. You’ve said you tend to be a little sensitive and your not sure this is the site for you, well I think it might do ya some good, toughen you up a little (bear in mind I’m an old Marine grunt so I think toughening up is always a good thing).

    You’ve also said you like debate. Well, you’ll get it here but it’s a rough and tumble debate. Stick up for your views, defend them, and even though you might get called on the carpet for it, so what. Thats what it’s all about.

    Go away if you feel you must, but I think you’ll be missing out on a good life experience. What ever you decide, I wish you luck, and you’re always welcome back.

  77. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Crunchie
    Thank you so much. I think I had a strong case. One of my posts had a troll hat on it. Emporer Misha called me a “HATER!!!” For awhile, my tag line was “psychochick and off my meds.” Jackboot said I was wearing out my welcome.

    I am horribly sensitive, and I’ve been told by spouse and boss that it’s highly annoying. However I thought the things above were a pretty strong message. I’m not doing a prima donna pouting trip. The combination seemed like a message to get the hell out of dodge and avoid the gunfire.

    You live here. I am just a guest. Maybe it’s okay. I do like to debate. If you welcome my presence, that’s great.

  78. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Crunchie
    Thanks again. You are so nice to me.

    It seems there were some misunderstandings. The comment about HATER was irony, which went right over my head. I e-mailedThe Boss and got a very nice one in response. I thought he had changed my tag line to the off the meds thing, but it turns out any one can change it. (If I could figure out who you are, I’d rip your heart out!)

    The other person probably still dislikes me, but I’ll live. The only thing I’m really annoyed about is the troll hat. I work way too hard to be a troll. I really try to make the best arguments I can.

    Oh, there was a tinfoil comment from someone, but I forget who. I should just laugh it off.

  79. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    Ditto what Crunchie said.

    We tend to get a bit rough around here (heck, you should see some of the things we’ve been known to say to those we agree with), but it ain’t personal. Just fire right back or not as you like.

    Hey, it will harden your hide a bit, and that’s never a bad thing :)

  80. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    If you only ever go to places where everyone agrees or likes you, life tends to get pretty lonely, especially the digital parts of it.

    And yeah, they play rough here, tend towards bluntness and a certain acerbity once the feathers start flying……. But they tell you what they think, rather than skirting around the issue.

    I for one can take some vitriol if it’s got a real opinion in there somewhere.