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Who KNEW? (h/t Hot Air).

A Guardian investigation has found evidence of serious irregularities at the heart of the process the world is relying on to control global warming.

Not “the world”. Just the retarded, easily-fooled, ridiculously gullible part of its inhabitants. Those of us with functioning brains couldn’t care less about your Indulgence Scam.

The Clean Development Mechanism (CDM), which is supposed to offset greenhouse gases emitted in the developed world by selling carbon credits from elsewhere, has been contaminated by gross incompetence, rule-breaking and possible fraud by companies in the developing world, according to UN paperwork, an unpublished expert report and alarming feedback from projects on the ground.

Gross incompetence, rule-breaking and possible fraud and the U.N., all in the same paragraph? I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!

One senior figure suggested there may be faults with up to 20% of the carbon credits - known as certified emissions reductions - already sold.

Whereas there are faults with 100% of the heads belonging to the suckers buying the things.

Since these are used by European governments and corporations to justify increases in emissions, the effect is that in some cases malpractice at the CDM has added to the net amount of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.

Not to mention near-catastrophic increases in hot air from all the mindless bloviating perpetrated by the Church of the Gorebecile and its followers.

The problems focus on the specialist companies that validate and verify the projects in the developing world which produce the certified emission reductions. Three of those companies have failed spot checks, which revealed a catalogue of weakness.

Separately, one of the CDM’s experts calculates that as many as one third of the projects registered in India are commercial ventures which do not produce any additional cut in greenhouse gases and were wrongly approved.

You don’t say? Turd world scamsters see an opportunity to make a quick buck for no work and they jump for it? Why, next you’ll be telling us that all of those nice emails about sudden multi-million dollar windfalls that we receive from Nigeria aren’t entirely on the up and up either!

There are only 17 of these validating and verifying companies. Most of them have a clean track record and will have approved reliable emissions reductions, but three of them have been performing so poorly that the CDM’s executive board ordered spot checks - and all three companies failed on multiple grounds. The findings on one company, which is believed to have validated dozens of projects and verified millions of tonnes of carbon reductions, were so bad that the board considered suspending its right to work.

We won’t lie by pretending that it pains us to say the following to all of the clowns buying those indulgences: SUCKERS!

The chairman of the CDM board, Danish energy consultant Hans Jürgen Stehr, insisted that in the end the problem was not bad enough to require any of the companies to be suspended. However, he said: “This has been serious. We are talking about competence and the ability of the company to do a proper job.” He ruled that none of the three companies be named.

So they’ve defrauded people of millions, increasing the CO2 emissions that they were paid to reduce, and overall behaved with all of the ethics and morals of a Congressional pork barrel extravaganza, but “it’s not bad enough to shut them down. Hey, don’t even name them!”

Makes perfect sense.

In the formal language of the UN, the minutes record findings for each of the three companies variously of “non-conformities regarding…its competencies to perform validation and verification functions, its quality assurance and quality control mechanisms and compliance with the CDM requirements…procedural and operational requirements, such as its management and operational structure, contract control…and compliance with its own stipulated procedures.” The board has called for a new regime of surveillance of their work.

And, if more “non-conformities” are found, we’re sure that there’ll be no consequences for that either. After all, that’s how the U.N. has always operated.

One source who has been working closely with the CDM board had seen some companies filing reports with “all kinds of basic errors which make you wonder if they have any idea what they’re doing”.

Since when did having an idea what you’re doing become a requirement for working under U.N. auspices?

They included an entire report in a foreign language when basic rules require it to be in English; submitting a report containing remarks such as “we must check this before we submit the report”.

Other errors are said to be more serious, including conjuring up numbers when projects on the ground failed to provide them; giving a green light to commercial projects which make no contribution to reducing greenhouse gases; and approving existing projects which cannot claim to be part of the drive to cut emissions.

Or, as it’s known in the U.N., “business as usual.”

Most of the concern is around the crucial CDM test of “additionality” - proof that a project is delivering cuts in greenhouse gases that would not otherwise have happened. In an unpublished report, one of the CDM board’s expert advisers, Axel Michaelowa, examined all 52 Indian projects which had been registered up to May 2006 and found that a third of them failed this additionality test.

Mr Michaelowa found evidence of projects supplying false information which was then accepted by the companies who were supposed to check it. In one case cited in the report, he accuses an Indian company of making statements which were “blatantly false”. Despite his protests, that scheme was approved.

U.N. “supervision” in all its glory: Whether you follow the rules or not, you’re automatically approved.

Now tell us again why we should pay any attention to that global crime syndicate?

52 Responses to “Corruption in Carbon Indulgences Scam?”
  1. lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid Comment by lc ima mommy, Imperial Handmaid

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    I’m shocked…SHOCKED I tell you!

    And I’m also first…FIRST I said! muahahaha

  2. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    Gee, who would have guessed that a program built on a lie would have so many liars and frauds administering it?

    You can’t spell unlawful without “UN”.

  3. Trooper THX1138 Comment by Trooper THX1138

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    I object to calling sellers of Carbon Offsets modern indulgence sellers! It’s a grave insult to those priests in the 15th and 16th centuries who committed simony by selling “forgivness of sins” when it could be gotten for free.

  4. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    LC Gunsniper
    I agree with the lawyers and fraud thing. It’s the built on a lie thing, and the number of snarky comments about global warming I’ve seen on this site that I object to.

    I have a different opinion, which I’m sure is shocking. I am a scientist, and it’s not like I totally have my head up my ass, although it’s been known to happen, and it’s painful. My expertise is not in climatology, but the consensus among climatologists is that global warming is real and is going to get worse. Some people do paleoclimatology work, and I heard a talk by James Hansen, who is head of the NASA Goddard something Space Center. He said the temperature is the hottest it’s been in a million years. Yes, cows produce a lot of methane–I don’t know how that compares to human greenhouse gas production. My point is that these are reputable scientists, not just Al Gore and liberal activists that are concerned. That does not mean that these people are all-knowing and should be worshipped–just that the preponderance of evidence tends to favor the global warming theory.

    And I’m sure this will get me another troll hat, but ExxonMobil has spent many millions of dollars funding anti-climate change groups to give good talking points. That does not mean you can’t give legitimate arguments against the theory. I’m really not a fascist liberal.

    Actually, there will be a lot of money to be made with new green technologies, and the US is behind the 8 ball. China is way ahead of us (their pollution problems make LA look pristine).

  5. Unregistered Comment by Cheryl

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    Mheh! Where’s the popcorn? This is gonna be fun!

  6. kfosterm Comment by kfosterm

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    Something about “A fool and his money…”

    Couldn’t happen to a better group of people.

  7. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    Hoooda Thunk it! Incompetence, not knowing what they are doing, and the U(seless)N(incompoops). Together!!
    I thought the UN was a source of peace love and fuzziness in our world! The U(seless)N(incompoops)has screwed up a few times. Like
    everytime their “peacekeepers”(the real Murder and Rape Inc.) have gone anywhere,
    Oil for Food
    their Constant bitching and but never actually doing anything
    And now THIS!!!!
    Un-friggin-believable. /sarcasm
    Do you think they’ll ever learn that the U(seless) N(incompoops) is a bunch of useless nincompoops?

  8. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    My expertise is not in climatology, but the consensus among climatologists is that global warming is real and is going to get worse.

    First of all, the average temperature is higher than it was 100 years ago.

    The climate has a tendency to change, just ask the woolly mammoth.

    The debate is about whether man is the reason for it or not, and for me to buy that, somebody will have to explain to me how the Vikings and the Romans managed to pull it off, but maybe there are some SUV chariots buried somewhere that we haven’t found yet.

    Second, there is no consensus. The “consensus” constantly being yakked about is a consensus among people already agreeing that they’re right, which is not all that uncommon. The “consensus among scientists”, on the other hand, is about as real as unicorns.

    And even if there were such a consensus, it still wouldn’t mean Jack. That’s not how science works, as you and I both know. Science works on evidence and facts, not on how many eggheads you can get to agree on any given conjecture or hypothesis. Or let’s turn it around: If there were a consensus that climate change is not man-made, then that wouldn’t mean Jack either.

    Just the facts, ma’am.

    Some people do paleoclimatology work, and I heard a talk by James Hansen, who is head of the NASA Goddard something Space Center. He said the temperature is the hottest it’s been in a million years.

    I’d love to see Mr. Hansen’s evidence, because every single study I’ve ever seen on historical temperatures, no matter which proxy they were using to “measure” past temperatures, states quite clearly that we’re not even close to the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, temperature-wise.

    I suspect that Mr. Hansen needs to stop sniffing methane, which would best be accomplished by him pulling his head out of his arse.

    My point is that these are reputable scientists, not just Al Gore and liberal activists that are concerned. That does not mean that these people are all-knowing and should be worshipped–just that the preponderance of evidence tends to favor the global warming theory.

    No it doesn’t. Saying so over and over again won’t make it so either. As a matter of fact, there is not a shred of evidence suggesting that global warming is man-made, but there’s quite a bit of evidence showing that temperature patterns, past and present, correlate tightly with solar output.

    If the Gorebecile can find the dimmer switch on the Sun, I’ll be very interested. Until then, he’s just another jackass with an agenda.

    And I’m sure this will get me another troll hat, but ExxonMobil has spent many millions of dollars funding anti-climate change groups to give good talking points.

    And the U.N. has spent even more funding the global wormening scaremongers, while deliberately editing out language from their reports that might question their preferred anthropogenic warming propaganda.

    Seriously, you don’t think that those IPCC clowns work for free, do you? Doomsday theories and scaremongering sell, and scientists have to pay their mortgages like everybody else. I know you’re aware of that too. Right now, producing “hockey sticks” based on corrupt models and manipulated data is a cash cow waiting to be milked, and there’s no shortage of scientists willing to produce anything their sponsors want if they get paid to do so.

  9. LC MoMinuteMan Comment by LC MoMinuteMan

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    Hello, I’m B’wana M’bufu for UN Bovine Fecal Material Relocators. It doesn’t matter how large a pile of B.F.M. you need relocated to cover up an an inconvenient reality, we can shovel your bullshit world wide.

  10. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    Pysco
    Nobody I have read on this site has ever tried to claim global warming isn’t happening. What most argue is if man is the main cause of the Earth getting warmer. You can always point to something that is happening now , that also happened 10’s of thousand years ago and the nutjobs will tell you we are the cause of it today but usually cannot explain why it happened back then. scientific consenses does not make it true it only makes it more up for debate, which if you notice all the scientists & and THE GOREICLE whant to shut down.

  11. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Emporer
    OK, I concede most of your comments as good points (God–I don’t mean that to sound snide).

    However, the producing what your sponsors want is way off base. Hansen works for the government, but was originally censored. The main people that fund the science want rigorous data. PC arguments not backed up data would kiss your funding good-bye. No funding–no researchers can be hired–no more papers–end of career. That’s what happened to the lab I am in.

  12. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    ORWN
    Thanks. I didn’t want to get a persecution complex!

    Emporer
    PS. It’s very rare for scientists in a field to agree. Usually they are fighting about their own theories. Although you do not consider a consensus important, so this might be a moot point.

  13. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    However, the producing what your sponsors want is way off base.

    Don’t get me wrong, please. I’m not saying that all scientists are like that, nor am I suggesting that all studies are as utterly bereft of quality control measures as the IPCC’s obviously ideology-driven drivel.

    All I am saying is that if the mortgage is due and you’ll be shut down unless you can land a grant, there’s a powerful incentive to submit a proposal to one of the, shall we say, less “rigorous” sponsors out there, a proposal saying exactly what they want to hear.

  14. Unregistered Comment by LC Wes, Imperial Mohel

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    The debate is about whether man is the reason for (global warming) or not, and for me to buy that, somebody will have to explain to me how the Vikings and the Romans managed to pull it off, but maybe there are some SUV chariots buried somewhere that we haven’t found yet.

    Misha’s point above is just one of the questions I’d like answered, Psychochick. Another is why Earth isn’t the only planet in the solar system currently experiencing “global warming,” if Man is truly responsible for it. Astronomers tell us that the temperature on Mars and Venus is rising as well.

    Are the Martians and Venusians running around in Hummers? I doubt it. And I haven’t heard anything about Haliburton or ExxonMobil colonizing or exploiting other planets. So there must be some other force out there contributing to higher temperatures on our planet…like, for example, the Sun.

    Psychochick, I think the thing that really upsets folks around here about here about the “global warming” debate - or, if you prefer, the even more silly “climate change” debate; the climate is always changing - isn’t that we’re having the debate, but how that debate is being used to advance a cynical political agenda. An agenda, moreover, that has more than a whiff of authoritarianism about it.

    And there’s the little matter of how the same nanny-statists who are telling the rest of us how we need to change our ways in order to “save the planet” - Al Gore, Barbra Streisand, John Edwards, etc. - spend more per month on their heating and AC bills than the vast majority of us spend on energy in a year. But that’s another gripe for another time.

  15. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    PS. It’s very rare for scientists in a field to agree. Usually they are fighting about their own theories.

    I know, which is why the very notion of “scientific consensus” is laughable on its face. At least if we’re talking “consensus” as Webster’s defines it :)

    Although you do not consider a consensus important, so this might be a moot point.

    Indeed. A consensus is interesting when one exists, but scientifically speaking it’s meaningless. There used to be a general “consensus” that the Earth was flat and that everything was made up of water, air, earth and fire too.

  16. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Emperor
    God, you’d think I could spell Emperor by this time: LOSER!

    I think we’ve stated our arguments enough, but one thing frustrates me. I think there is good data that the temp increase is man-made, but I can’t fucking remember it! And, “oh I have this vague memory” is just not intellectually rigorous. So I’m not officially arguing that point right now.

    What I wanted to ask you has to do with the running of the site. It’s probably a stupid question, since if it were easy, you would probably have done it. Is it possible to have a search engine for just within the site? I used to work for a dot.com company, and they did that, but I think it took some effort. I tried googling myself to find some posts, but I guess I’m too new.

    I’m on the West Coast and usually posting very late at night, so the posts are not featured when I get up in the afternoon (ahem). I could stop being a loser and make a spreadsheet of the ones I’m on. I guess that would be the best thing to do. I usually make long posts and then can’t find them again to see any replies. Can you say voluble?

  17. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    Psycho, If you haven’t already seen it here (<-the link) is a documentary that sums up the evidence why global is not man-made. It’s long.
    Watch it and tell me what you think about it(the movie, not global warming.)

  18. Xystus Comment by Xystus

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    If the Gorebecile can find the dimmer switch on the Sun, I’ll be very interested. Until then, he’s just another jackass with an agenda.

    Unfortunately he’s a big fat Algorific jackass!
    And wasn’t Hansen one of the geniuses trying to alarm us in the 70s with The Cooling™ scare?

  19. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    P.S. that movie is probably where most of us Rott’s are coming from on the whole “Global Warming” issue.

  20. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Merc
    Thank you! I don’t have time to watch it all now, but I have bookmarked it and will watch it before too long.

    I have some things to do today: a purge! I am officially purging the back-dated newspapers from the living room. It’s not trivial–there are piles of them everywhere. I can live with dirt, but disorder is just unbearable.

    I have no problem exploring alternate views. It’s part of the scientific process.

  21. ohio right wing nut Comment by ohio right wing nut

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    Psycho, You want to see some seriously screwed up climate change ? live a decade or so on the edge of Lake Erie in northeast Ohio.
    Me and the better half were going thru some old video tapes from when we were first married, and were watching our neice and nephews playing outside on Easter Sunday 1991, they were in shorts and tshirts IN OHIO IN APRIL.(proof of global warming you say) same video tape, 1 month later Mothers day same children different outfits , you would have thought they were going to Grandma’s house for Christmas Eve dinner. Living around this goofy lake most of my life ya cant force me into believing that we are the problem. For me it’s either Mother Nature doin her thing or it’s them damn Canadians fault.
    Sorry ACLPOO just kiddin.

  22. jaybear Comment by jaybear

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    my two cents worth here, Psychochick sez:

    I think we’ve stated our arguments enough, but one thing frustrates me. I think there is good data that the temp increase is man-made, but I can’t fucking remember it!

    using the F*** word now, my friend?, you ARE being assimilated to the Rott side…..Hey management, has she earned her LC rating yet???

    Regarding the whole global warming thing. It’s been said earlier that no one argues that it isn’t happening…what we greatly doubt is the honesty and intent of the carriers of the message…aka Gore and company. If they were serious about saving the whole “planet”, then they’d propose the same draconian measures on the whole “planet” and not on just the good ole’ U.S.A. The Gorons vilify this country, and make it the bad guy in all of this…but what they conveniently forget is that…yes…we are the single largest consumer of oil, but that roughly 25-35% of our domestic oil consumption goes to producing the foodstuffs that we feed the world with. You want to cut oil consumption? Let’s start there, the rest of the ungrateful world hates us anyway…so screw ‘em, let them grow their own food. We’ll use our surplus grain for fuel and let you european surrender monkeys suck up to the oil terrorists that WILL kill you all. Converting to biofuels will also deflate that fat bastard chavez in Venezuela too.

    I’ve said it before and will say it again, I’m willing to turn the whole energy industry over to biofuels and ethanol fuel, but not to appease gore the fatman. I’d do it to starve the Middle East completely out of existence, without our food exports they couldn’t feed the people who work the oil fields that produce the oil that we buy and indirectly funds the terrorists.

    We turn our grain ships around and use their cargoes for fuel then we eliminate our dependancy on Middle Eastern oil and dry up the money that goes to fund islamic terrorism. Personally, I don’t really care if millions starve to death over there, they live by an ideaology that advocates our total destruction and they use our money and our food to succor their ungrateful jihad daily. Let ‘em eat oil sandwiches…..

    harsh words for harsh times….

  23. thepresenceusmc Comment by thepresenceusmc

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    Wow. This carbon credit thing sounds like it’s functioning just the way it was designed to work, as a fraudulent method of world wealth redistribution.

    I will say this much though, if the Gorebeciles are going like sheep to the slaughter over this stupid scheme, they deserve the shearing they’re getting. Fools and their $$$ are soon parted, and I’m glad the criminals at the UN are ripping them off because it means that for once the US taxpayer has dodged an invoice for this stupidity.

    It may be the first time in history that we’ve gotten off without being screwed for an a Green Pied Piper scheme!

  24. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Wes
    Psychochick, I think the thing that really upsets folks around here about here about the “global warming” debate - or, if you prefer, the even more silly “climate change” debate; the climate is always changing - isn’t that we’re having the debate, but how that debate is being used to advance a cynical political agenda. An agenda, moreover, that has more than a whiff of authoritarianism about it.

    I think that really is an excellent point and hadn’t occurred to me.

  25. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    I’ll second what Wes pointed out. The so called “remedies” to AGW are draconian socialist wealth redistribution and will totally eviscerate the western civilizations (especially the US) economies.

    Rather than lifting up the third world economies, tear down the successful ones so that everyone is equally miserable, typical socialism.

    Wonder why the Kyoto death sentence wasn’t ratified by the successful countries of the world, because it was an economic suicide pact.

  26. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Crunchie
    Yeah, but think of a whole new green industry that will make us money and be sold overseas. It could be the new high-tech boom (yeah I know–pigs can fly)

  27. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    Is it possible to have a search engine for just within the site? I used to work for a dot.com company, and they did that, but I think it took some effort. I tried googling myself to find some posts, but I guess I’m too new.

    1. there is one on the side bar

    2. if you don’t want to use that just Google “psychochick site:nicedoggie.net” and you should get everywhere it says pyschochick on this site.
    Thats all the embedded searches do, they’re just more convenient.

  28. Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther Comment by Merc, Imperial SomethingorOther

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    P.S. Hungover or something pyschochick? You’re bein’ kinda slow today.

  29. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Merc
    Thank you! I was using the side bar, but I didn’t know you could do :nicedoggie.net. I may not be the best Googler

    P.S. Hungover or something pyschochick? You’re bein’ kinda slow today.

    Oh well. Sorry. We all have our ups and downs. I am sick and a little sleep-deprived. I stay up too late on the internet.

  30. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    I figured something like that would happen with the carbon indulgences.

    Psychochick, you are a botanist, did you know that grapes grew 300 miles north of where they currently grew during the Middle Ages? Any idea why they named it “Greenland”? It was not just a great PR campaign. The Scandinavian colonies died out there because the climate got colder and they could no longer farm like they once did and could not adapt to the native hunting and fishing culture.

  31. hitnrun Comment by hitnrun

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    One senior figure suggested there may be faults with up to 20% of the carbon credits - known as certified emissions reductions - already sold.

    This estimate is a blatant, unfounded fabrication on the part of the Guardian.

    There’s no way 80% of carbon credit sales aren’t faulty.

    Really though. You’re giving these poor, “developing” Nigerians, Nigeriens, Algerians, and sundry other Jeer-ians a license to print dollars and euros, more or less literally.

    These are people who created Princess Email Scam. They invented the western Islamic “Charities” that we seized after 9/11. They put knickknacks together out of debris and jetsam and sell them to tourists as spiritual relics for about a billion local dinars.

    PS. It’s very rare for scientists in a field to agree. Usually they are fighting about their own theories.

    It’s “very rare” for scientists in a field to agree? From what point of view to arrive at that conclusion? Virtually all of what we consider “science” is the application of hundreds of years of post-Enlightenment facts and theories about which scientists “agree.”

    Also, if it is rare for scientists to agree, I think you’ll find that they very commonly arrive at strikingly similar conclusions when an alternative hypothesis will land them a job as the janitor for a fellow climatologist— who parroted the apocalypse theory and got a federal grant and a date with Heidi Cullen.

    The fact that we’re being taught about global warming by anthropormorphic clouds of smog in grammar school nowadays might also, just perhaps, be having some influence in the state of events.

    We’re still waiting for the study- any study- which in any way distinguishes this current, 1-degree-centigrade-over-a-century, “warming period” from the many precipitous swings in temperature over the last billion years, all of which somehow failed to turn Earth into Venus. By the time we get such a study, the Sun might have settled into dormancy for a few millenia. Hopefully our economies will not have followed it.

  32. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    Psychochick

    You could always do what I do, (if Safari supports tabbed browsing, that is!), just leave the tabs that you are planning to re-read open until action has stopped on that thread.

    (Sorry, I haven’t had anything to do with a Mac in about fifteen years, since I did a bunch of macro programming for a hospital here, so I have no idea what Safari does and doesn’t do…)

  33. Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P. Comment by Sir Guido Cabrone, LC, M.o.P.

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    He ruled that none of the three companies be named.

    Any bets one of them is the Gorebcile’s little batch of scamsters?

  34. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    HitnRun
    It’s “very rare” for scientists in a field to agree? From what point of view to arrive at that conclusion? Virtually all of what we consider “science” is the application of hundreds of years of post-Enlightenment facts and theories about which scientists “agree.”

    There are certain standards on which virtually all scientists agree, such as that creatures evolve. Some things have stood the test of time.

    I was talking about current science research. In many fields, there are disagreements about the science. Taxonomy conferences are supposed to be particularly nasty. From what point of view? From the point of view of Dr. Psychochick, currently a postdoctoral fellow. (about throwing my credentials around–it’s relevant here)

    Spartan
    That is an excellent point. I think there is definitely natural waxing and waning of global temperatures. The question is whether the current temperature increase is part of the normal cycle or an indication of hideous things to come. That will not be answered here.

  35. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    psychochick - by the time I get into these comment threads, I always feel like I’m piling on, but here is another link you might want to look at before making too much of a “concensus” claim.

    And, since someone has already brought up the claim from the ’70s about the coming Ice Age: I don’t know how old you are, but I get the impression you’re younger than 30, so I’m going to write this as if you are. Go ask someone over 40 about the Blizzard of ‘77. Actually there were two years that were really effing bad, but that was the worst. I’ve heard talk about how “Global Warming” can cause local weather to behave weirdly, and even get colder in some places, but this affected nearly the entire North American continent. That was the only time I have seen subzero temperatures in the Cincinnati, Oh area for more than a solid month. Now, the more northerly readers of this site will laugh at this, but around here, 4 feet of snow in one winter is unheard of. We missed something like 45 days of school. Those were the conditions when people were talking about a new Ice Age. You may understand then, why I REALLY am skeptical of this kind of thing. It’s just too much like a “Ooh, look, it’s changing! If this keeps up, we’re all DOOMED!!!” reaction.

    Of course, that was also the time when Carl Sagan was starting up the whole scare of Nuclear Winter if we had a Nuclear Exchange with the USSR, too, and his computer models then were later proven to be nearly worthless.

    P.S.: Another thing you can do for searching in the site, if you don’t remember the “site:nicedoggie.net” directive, is click on “Advanced Search” on the Google main page

  36. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    WayneB
    Thank you for the link. It’s interesting, but I don’t think it makes as strong as case as it seems at first. (Not just because I disagree with it)

    I guess I’m not making very good posts, if I get the impression of being under 30. I’m 45. I actually do remember that blizzard, and it was formidable. Yeah–I can definitely see the reason for skepticism.

    It’s interesting, but there are some issues. It’s written in the format of a Proceedings of the National Academy of Science like it was peer-reviewed, but it was not.

    There is also some question if it really has as many signatures as reported:

    from Wikipedia (alright–not the gold standard)
    In 2005, Scientific American reported:
    “ Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[10]”

    But it was really nice of you to send the link, and I really do appreciate it. The data looks really interesting. I’ll have to browse it more when I’m feeling better. These stupid microbes are on the march.

    Thanks for the search tip also. Thanks also for your civility–I’m feeling beaten down (not that everything is about “liberal feewings”).

  37. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    I guess I’m not making very good posts, if I get the impression of being under 30.

    Not a big deal. Probably a subliminal impression for myself based on some of your writing style plus expressions here and there. I also normally get into trouble for making assumptions that aren’t true, so I wanted to put out my reason for phrasing it the way I did. Since I now know that you’re close to my age, I’ll try to remember.

  38. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Wayne
    It’s no big deal–don’t worry about it. I actually refuse to act middle-aged, so I probably do use younger expressions. I also gave my favorite band as Nine Inch nails on another post–that would make me seem younger.

  39. Unregistered Comment by oldbootneck

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    I’ve said it before and will say it again, I’m willing to turn the whole energy industry over to biofuels and ethanol fuel, but not to appease gore the fatman. I’d do it to starve the Middle East completely out of existence, without our food exports they couldn’t feed the people who work the oil fields that produce the oil that we buy and indirectly funds the terrorists.

    Oil is mostly what has destroyed the middle east. Competition for oil resources, and weird economies based only around oil, have resulted in almost permanent warfare in the region. Places like Saudi Arabia can maintain medieval societies because everything is funded by oil.

    If there was a way of removing it, or making it worthless, I think it’d be a good policy to pursue. I think they’d feed themselves; most places can, if they have to.

    If using biofuel is also good for the environment… fine.

  40. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    oldbootneck
    You probably don’t care what I think, since I’m the local troll, but I think you are totally right.

  41. HarleyRace Comment by HarleyRace

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    Whatever…

    The only “carbon” you desire is spewing from your burning cross!!!!!

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    Come on Harley at lest tell us who it it your insulting after all bold letters make all the difference you know!!!11!

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  45. NevadaDailySteve Comment by NevadaDailySteve

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    Go ask someone over 40 about the Blizzard of ‘77.

    I was a Pinkerton guard at American Walnut, a sawmill that produced gunstock blanks and walnut dimension lumber, 18th and Argentine Blvd. K.C.KS, right next to the Kaw River. One night it was 25 degrees below zero, wind chill approaching 50 below. I had to walk eight 15 minute rounds, one each hour. No snow that night but the steam from the kilns froze, fell and covered the ground next to them.

    The ice in the small pond on the property was cracking and snapping so much it sounded like someone walking over a pile of dead branches. One of the guys responsible for the steam boiler had to come in and work and he snapped a wrench in two because it got so cold the metal couldn’t stand the strain of normal use.

    Ah, good times, good times. NOT!

  46. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    NevadaDailySteve - At least you didn’t laugh at my four feet of snow shutting down the roads for a month. Heh :-P

    But I have more linky goodness for you all:

    The Deniers Series (10 parts, link is to the first one)

  47. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    NevadaDailySteve - at least you didn’t laugh about 4 feet of snow shutting us down for over a month. :-P

    But, I have more linky goodness for y’all:

    The Deniers Series (10 parts, link is to the first part)

  48. WayneB Comment by WayneB

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    Did my post get eaten? I didn’t get any kind of message, but it didn’t show up, either. Maybe my link flagged it.

  49. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    Harley get a fucking life and go somewhere else. Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them some sort of violent hater.

  50. kfosterm Comment by kfosterm

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    The recent Time magazine with Gore on the cover quoted a poll which indicated the 90% of Democrats think global warming is a serious issue and that something needs to be done about it right now.

    Yet in my ‘blue’ city in north central Florida, barely a soul carpools. Bike racks, except around campus, remain almost entirely empty. Public transportation consists of students and minorities. And clotheslines only exist in the poor section of town.

    Is it possible that even those among the True Believers aren’t even convinced enough to act on their own convictions? What is missing from most of the ‘debate’ on anthropogenic climate change are any concrete behaviors that have to be changed. Forget Gore’s utility bill for a moment. Does it make sense for a True Believer to burn coal to dry clothes? Or run a fish tank? For every eeeevil Hummer on the road there are a hundred Subaru’s with Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers. Ever look at the gas mileage of a Subaru? It ain’t all that impressive.

    The left is fond of trotting out that, as 5% of the world’s population, we use 30% of its resources. None of them takes the next logical step and suggests that we (in the U.S.) are in need of a 5/6 reduction in our consumption in order to ‘play fair’.

    If that Time poll was correct we ought to be seeing an immediate, across the board reduction in consumption from roughly half the country. But we’re nowhere near it. The paltry efforts that have been made so far (worldwide) don’t even make up for growth. The Japanese, who import just about everything and therefore have a huge incentive to conserve, can’t even level off their consumption…never mind reduce it to meet Kyoto goals.

    Every time some Gorebot blames someone else for the looming environmental catastrophe, my question is always the same. “What have you done? You’re the smart one, right? Why are you waiting for someone else to tell you to do what you know is right.” The answer is always the same. Some amalgam of Halliburton, auto marketers, the interstate highway system (oh, fer chrissake), Bush, etc.

    Besides changing a few light bulbs and some other token gestures, no one is doing a damn thing besides bitching.

  51. Wild-Eyed Charlie Comment by Wild-Eyed Charlie

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    I think these “carbon offsets” are a great idea. I’d like to offer my own take on them: “racism offsets.” Pay me $500.00 per month and you can use the Dreaded ‘N’ Word(c) 10 times. I’ll pass half your cash onto Jessie Jackson; the rest I’ll keep for, ahem, “administrative expenses.”

  52. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    I’ve been sitting here and I think I’ve solved Global Warming.

    All we need to do is wait till the temperature gain has reached the same levels as the predicted temperature drop from the “nuclear winter” from a limited-use nuclear exchange, then drop exactly that many warheads on nations that want us dead.

    Et voila! All is in balance once more, with the added bonus that the US taxpayer got to see that all that shiny stuff they pay for actually works.

    I propose these bumper stickers:

    CROWD PLEASERS NOT CARBON OFFSETS!

    UNILATERAL US NUKES WOULD FIX -GLOBAL- WARMING.