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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Attn Mayor Nagin: this is how it’s done
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Sydney, my home, is currently being hammered by major rain and storms. Winds up to 80 mph, massive waves, ships broken from their moorings and beached, and tragically, nine dead.

Chopper pilots who will later probably receive commendations for bravery and superb airmanship winched every last crewman off the ship in torrential rain and winds.

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All alive, all safe and sound…all in a day’s work.

Yet not one person is sitting on their ass waiting for the government to come help them. As usual, as soon as the storm hit, THE PLAN was activated.

The State Emergency Services received SEVEN THOUSAND calls for help at the rate of 100 an hour.(The SES is our civilian rescue and civil defence authority, all volunteers)

Men and women, in their offices or in their homes, got up, went to their respective headquarters, got their gear, received briefings and went to work.

They knew their jobs backward..because every situation had been planned for, they had trained and trained and worked and prepared..so that when the time came, they knew what they had to do.

Every situation has a procedure, every unit a plan, every team member knows their task and does it as part of a coordinated effort.

Did I mention that salvage crews are already aboard the ship? That we have a plan for that too?

Where is the Federal Government?

Standing by to lend a hand

Is the Premier of NSW sitting on his ass crying “we need buses”?

Nope, he is in his office being reported to by capable, competent people who know their jobs too.

Oh, did I mention buses? Yeah, we used them yesterday, to grab a couple hundred people stranded when the Central Coast line was cut by a landslide. Took us an hour to organise, but it was an “on the fly” problem, and the major delay was getting to the passengers because the buses had to slow down owing to low visibility.

Even the insurance companies are in on the action, lending a hand

NRMA Insurance Newcastle operations manager Suzanne Jolliffe said the company was able to help customers with emergency accommodation and had sent mobile units to the city to begin assessing property damage.

“We have an excellent track record of helping customers after a natural disaster and we are doing all we can to help those affected by the recent wild weather,” Ms Jolliffe said.

GIO home insurance general manager Lyndell Fraser urged customers whose properties had been damaged to contact the company by telephone as soon as possible, so that claims could be approved swiftly.

“Where damage to property is relatively minor, GIO staff can give immediate approval over the phone for repairs on all valid claims,” Ms Fraser said.

The NRMA, a car association who does a TREMENDOUS job, also have units out on the road for breakdowns and assistance in this weather, and who have probably been a guardian angel to more than one stranded and frightened motorist and their families.

Evacuate a nursing home with only a short notice?


No problem

The State Emergency Service (SES) is moving to safety the residents of the nursing home situated beside the Wyong River. The home has been cut off by rising waters.

“As a precaution those residents are being taken to higher ground,” SES spokesman Philip Campbell said.

Dear Mayor Nagin, the above is cordially offered to you as an object lesson in how to manage a natural disaster.

True, this is not in the same category of Katrina, but you see, Your Honour, that really isn’t relevant.

We have a plan for that.

Do you?

92 Responses to “Attn Mayor Nagin: this is how it’s done”
  1. LC Scott Comment by LC Scott

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    Buses, did some one say Buses?

  2. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    We had less than a hew hrs warning, then the storm came boiling in.

    New Orleans had days to prepare.

  3. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Wow–that is impressive. Hats off to Australia!

  4. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    More photos

  5. LC Scott Comment by LC Scott

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    LCBrendan

    We get about five or eight days a year that look like that but then we don’t have to deal with hurricanes, earthquakes or tornado’s, out here in the left coast.

  6. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    We don’t get tornadoes…we do get flash floods, hurricanes, storms, bushfires, 40 degree heat, cyclones..in the Outback they get sandstorms at 80 mph.

    This is a harsh land.

  7. LC Scott Comment by LC Scott

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    This is a harsh land.

    And it has bread* a people to match it. I wish I could still say the same thing about the states.

  8. LC R.L. Hunter Comment by LC R.L. Hunter

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    Of course Nagin has a plan, the same one he used the last time.

    Blame whitey and the Feds.

  9. Yochanon Comment by Yochanon

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    That whole story, with pics, needs to be sent to that abused toilet seat known as Nagin, and to FEMA or someone in the national gov’t who will wake the fuck up and see that *volunteers* can and should be used whenever possible, since they’re going to be the closest and most available. I mean fuck me silly, but before I hurt my back and got disabled, I was a volunteer fireman. Got all the same training a paid fireman gets,and if it weren’t for us things would be in an extremely sorry state of affairs out here in the woods. Lazy asses, low-lifes and scumbags don’t need to be worried about because simply of their nature they’ll never be a ‘volunteer’ for anything that might resemble ‘work’.

  10. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Yochanan: then you will be proud to know that the Aussie volunteer firemen are also out tonight, driving, ferrying supplies, helping with rescue and evacuations.

    I was SES….and rescue, for many years before family concerns and work made it impossible to continue.On behalf of them and myself, my respects, sir.

  11. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    I will give you a thumbnail sketch of the hierarchy

    It is not perfect nor complete - just a brief summary

    Fed govt (Prime Minister Canberra / Parliament Hse Sydney/ Kirribilli House (his residence in Sydney) Fed Ministers = State Govt = Premiers= ministers of cabinet= Planning committees = local councils = precincts.

    (Yes, I left a lot out)

    Each area council has its own SES (volunteers trained in storm management and disaster management) (they are the mandated combat authority,) all planning is done at a LOCAL level to begin with, and when I mean local I MEAN local, and I mean PLAN.

    It is coordinated all the way to the top, and there are arms in every direction, all carefully laid out, with each service knowing its tasks, responsibilities and overlap..for example, the SES might act under police direction and command, the poilce command gives the orders and the SES units using their OWN command network follow through.

    An SES officer managing traffic, does so as an SES officer,but as a direct agent of authority of the NSW Police, and under their mandate and authority.

    An order from an SES officer has the weight of law, and you are subject to arrest if you refuse a legitimate legal order.

    Such as the order to leave.. If we have to drag you out..we will.

    We are not risking our asses to come back and get you…you are leaving NOW.

    Bushfires would be under the combined authority of the Bush Fire Brigades, the Civil Fire Authority (in Victoria for example) and will work hand in glove with the regular paid NSW Fire Brigades, each mantains its own chain of command, yet works with each other as an INTEGRATED FORCE..that way massive manpower can be thrown at a potential disaster.

    A good example is this:

    A major bushfire is raging, overhead is a NSW Police helicopter carrying members of the Victorian Fire Services, giving orders,coordinating resources, giving directions to ground units of the CFA, The Bush Fire Brigades and the NSW Fire Brigades as well as managing police roadblocks and police operations in perimeter control.

    The firemen control the water drops, the police ensure that the evacs are carried out on the ground, the volunteers are on the fireline, or doing backburning to cut off the fire’s path…see how this works?

    All planned, all prepared, all arranged months in advance.

    Why would members of the Victorian Fire Services, be in that chopper? Because they have fought some of the worst fires in recent years and their expertise and training will help protect property and save lives.

    Google “Australia” and “Ash Wednesday fires”..the guys that fought that learned crucial lessons that saved lives down the line, combined with our own people, we had a coordinated plan of attack.

    More firefighters are needed?

    Three phone calls and a few hours later, one hundred firefighters from two states are in the air and on their way, pre alerted to be ready to move through the Victorian Services command.

    Or Queensland. Or South Australia. Each state, through specific preplanned procedures can call any other state for help at any time.

    Do they mind being called from their homes?

    HELL NO, this is what they train for, and they know they may be sent interstate any time..besides, if you asked for 100 volunteers, you’d get 300, and the 200 left behind would be ROYALLY pissed off at missing out

    There are hiccups and problems and glitches, there always are…we try and learn from them.

    It isn’t perfect, nothing ever is.

    But we do okay.

  12. Unregistered Comment by mindy1

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    They seem very organized-nice to see people who know what they are doing.

  13. sig94 Comment by sig94

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    The sad part is, NOLA learned nothing. The same asswipes are running the show.

    They elected them, they like it that way. So the next disaster that hits we’ll hear the same weeping and wailing

    Nice job Brendan. A competently staffed, equipped and trained emergency plan is a thing of beauty.

  14. Unregistered Comment by thefrollickingmole

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    The SES is parialy funded by a levy raised on vehicle registrations. Something like about $30 a year. The good thing is that dough is earmarked for emergency services not general revenue, so not too much gets siphoned off, as I believe was a big problem with Nagins mob.
    As LC says, its not perfect, but a group of trained, willing people beats a milling mob waiting for “someone” to do something nicely.

  15. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Brendan,

    You DO know that the storm is all Bush’s fault…if he’d just signed the Kyoto treaty, there would be no more bad weather…anywhere.

    /sarc, of course.

  16. Empress Sofia Comment by Empress Sofia

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    Great job Brendan!!! It would be awesome if the US and LA authorities could learn from y’all. However, I know that in reality that will never happen. Here in the US our major problem is that people seem to think that everyone else “owes” them, and as Sig said,.. its much easier for them to sit on their lazy asses and holler “racism” and wait for someone to do something FOR them instead of doing something to help themselves. Yanno,…. like evacuating the city like they were told to DAYS before.

    In Bush’s defense the Fed Govt can’t just waltz in and take over, they have to be invited. Don’t you know how pissed the STATE would be if the FED stepped in uninvited and took away the STATE’s authority??

    And just where was Nagin during the flooding in Katrina? hahahaha He was sitting HI AND DRY because he left. There were alot of mistakes during Katrina. Have we learned anything from them?? Sadly, no I fear we have not. What a pity. It does my heart good to see that somewhere in the world the leaders have brains and have put together plans to help their citizens, and that the citizens are pro-active and help each other instead of waiting on someone to help them.

    Hats off to Australia!!!!!! Keep up the GREAT work!!

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    New Orleans had days to prepare.

    New Orleans had 30 YEARS to prepare. Again, if you remember, it was not the hurricane that caused the worst of the damage, but the breaking up of the levees that brought on the flooding. There were warnings time and time again to strengthen the levees. In fact, there was a TV program on extreme weather conditions several years before Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf states which described in detail a worst case scenario, almost exactly what happened in ‘05, if this dangerous situation were to not be addressed.

  18. Fuzzhead Comment by Fuzzhead

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    Oh, but Sydney’s not a chocolate city, you know, so it’s different…

  19. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Need a ferry?

  20. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Newcastle this afternoon

    Newcastle this afternoon

  21. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    THE Central Coast family swept to their deaths after a highway collapsed have been named as Adam Holt, 30, partner Roslyn Bragg, 29, daughters Madison, 2, and Jasmine, 3, and a nephew.

  22. Beth* A. Comment by Beth* A.

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    Bravo, Brendan to you and your fellow Aussies. Good on ya for knowing the value of, and exercising, preparedness! (Nice to see you around these parts again too, mate! :-) )

    Bush is wrongheaded, utterly, on the amnesty issue, but he did not deserve the blame for NO. That falls squarely on Nagin’s, and their lady Governor’s (can’t recall her name), whiny shoulders.

    Slightly O/T, but it was SO nice to see some love passed the way of the office of the U.S. President today that I had to link this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/09/world/europe/09albania.html?ex=1339041600&en=d78c73ff251227b1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    - I think Albania must be the only mostly Muslim country (70%) that has it’s act together. Very cheering.

  23. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Beth* A,

    Kathleen Blanco is the lady governor who waited FIVE days before she brought in the national guard and before she contacted the feds for help, IIRC.

  24. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    They also whined and complained that Bush didn’t come soon enough, and then when he DID come, they whined and complained that nothing was getting done, cause when Bush was there, all the convoys and everything had to shut down.

    They obviously want it both ways.

  25. LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR Comment by LC JackBoot IC/A-OBR

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    Bravo to the Aussies !!!! That IS the way you do it.

    In reality their program in practice is identical to what should be here in the U.S.

    Emergency Management in practice operates in reverse than most government functions. The local government has command, control and direction for management. The local government in turn, can request assistance from the state level.

    Contrary to the vast majority of understanding, FEMA is NOT a FIRST RESPONSE agency or responsible for command and control decisions. FEMA is an executive branch agency that is responsible solely for coordination of federal assets in the assistance of the state or local authorities. In other words, FEMA provides a liaison officer (SLO) to each state. The SLO is merely a human rolodex. If the governor or a mayor needs 1000 sandbags, the SLO has a number to call for the particular federal resource.

    Post-disaster FEMA is responsible for disbursing federal assistance monies to individuals and families as well as some coordination of federal disaster aid to the state and locals. FEMA also provides ongoing assistance for the development of emergency plans to governmental agencies as well.

    Watching the ongoing Katrina fallout, I want to pull my hair out as the Bush Administration and FEMA have never defended themselves from the ludicrous charges of malfeasance in the disaster.

    First-response to any disaster is the direct and immediate responsibility of the state and local authorities, as well as the planning efforts. FEMA has no authority whatsoever in this decision-making.

    Simply put Nagin and Blanco are totally and legally responsible for the whole fiasco, period. full stop.

    It’s well documented that W (personally) and the highest level of FEMA management literally begged her to direct an early evacuation. She waffled and there wasn’t a damn thing FEMA or the president could legally do.

  26. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Bravo Zulu, NSW! Well Done, and my hats off to all of ya.

    SkyChild:

    Small point of info - Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin STILL do not have their rebuilding plan for NO to FEMA, nearly two years after the fact.

    Mississippi (hit just as hard by the same storm) had their FINAL plan to the President and FEMA within 30 days. The preliminary plan was to Washington while it was still raining.

    Yeah, lets elect MORE libruls - that’s the ticket!

  27. LC Wil Comment by LC Wil

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    Oh, and I still say that if I am given 48 hours notice that a category 5 hurricane (yes, subsequently downgraded, but two days before landfall, it was a -5) is about to hit where I am, I won’t even get damp. See the folly of waiting for some government beaurocrat to tell you what to do and where to go?

  28. LC Beaker Comment by LC Beaker

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    They also whined and complained that Bush didn’t come soon enough, and then when he DID come, they whined and complained that nothing was getting done, cause when Bush was there, all the convoys and everything had to shut down.

    Even better. Some of those same leftist asshats were crying about the occupation of New Orleans. The good news is that if another hurricane hits them this year, less stuff will be damaged. Of course, that’s only because the liberals in charge did what liberals do best: They “spent” billions of dollars and fixed nothing.

    I wonder how much of that money is stuffed in the freezers of Louisiana Democrats.

  29. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    We went through 2 hurricanes within three weeks (Frances and Jean , category 3 and 2 respectively) followed the next year by Wilma (cat 2). Like Gov Jeb Bush testified, when the State is prepared, like FL was for these three, and Miss was for Katrina, FEMA works just fine.

    And to second JB’s comment, FEMA just writes checks and makes phone calls. Hell, we’ve known that forever.

    There’s also CERT (Community Emergency Response Teams) who are citizens trained in extraction, triage, first aid, etc who are the survivors on scene doing what needs to be done until emergency personnel can get there.

    Here in Palm Beach County we have a HUGE population of carpet baggers and damn yankees (read Nooo Yawk libs who fled the failed disaster they had turned their home into and wanted to bring the same BS here). They were the ones who were at the ice distribution centers the SAME day waiting for them to be set up so they could get their free ice. The natives all knew to be self sufficient for three days minimum.

    Brendan, good on ya and yer mates! Sorry for the loss of yer countrymen, especially the lil ones. May God be with them.

  30. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Hey guys,

    It sounds like the Democrats screwed up badly in NO–won’t argue. However, 2 points

    -about not evacuating: over 100,000 households didn’t have transportation. more difficult to evacuate

    -the money for rebuilding the houses is being processed by a contractor hired by the federal government, and they have been inefficient

    Oddly, one family I know was chased away by National Guardsmen when they were trying to put a tarp over their house. don’t know at what stage that was, or how dangerous it was for them to be there.

    Fortunately, they are cracking down on fraudulent FEMA claims that were paid to people who didn’t live in NO!

    ————–
    and about lazy people who wouldn’t help in a crisis–I would have no idea what to do, except something obvious like help put fires out. Maybe there is some Red Cross training I should look into to be useful in times of crisis.

  31. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    If Sydney gets warning of a major hurricane on its way, you will be blinded by the speed in which the services get into gear.

    There is an evac protocol and procedure and plan for EVERY SINGLE SUBURB, down to transport times and rendezvous points.

    -about not evacuating: over 100,000 households didn’t have transportation. more difficult to evacuate

    No excuse. They had warning,.they had helicopters to coordinate from the air. They had buses. They had streets.They had places for buses to meet the people on the streets to go elsewhere.

    Why did the police not have an integrated evac plan?

    Where were their radio network systems?

    Where were their procedures?

    Who were their coordinators?

    They had helicopters..why were they not tasked to aerial recon? There was an airport in the state, why were not the aerial assets utilised by the Governer?

    Why did the Mayor not have a preplanned evac system including water drop sites and food caches?

    Ladies and gentlemen, please, join with me in a chorus of a time worn but very very true adage, knownb by emergency servicemen andwomen the world over

    And a one and a two and…..

    All together now….

    Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance!!!

  32. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance!!!

    So true, LC Brendan…so very true. In my experience Aussies are can do people. Even little things. Just today I was outside in my garage rummaging through food stocks, rotating and taking inventory. Water, food, meds, including antibiotics and analgesics, guns, ammo and first aid kits, gasoline, two generators, camping gear, water filters, etc….it can pay off. Truly the little things…when we got baked last year during the heat wave, I replaced my AC unit, both central and the room units I keep handy. A blower on the fireplace, a cord of wood out back. On one occasion I probably saved the life of an old woman across the street during a power failure…her life support shut down until I showed up, runnning across the street with a generator and some cords. For if we have a major quake or some such….I fully intend to be able to make a cup of coffee…..

  33. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC (Love the avatar BTW)

    -about not evacuating: over 100,000 households didn’t have transportation. more difficult to evacuate

    Part of the problem with the whole NO debacle was that NO had become a socialist utopia, with as many people dependent upon (and thereby beholding to) the gummint for the means of their existence. Public transportation was just one symptom of that. To me, private transportation is as much a symbol of my liberty as is the pistol on my hip and the rifle(s) in my gun safe. The people allowed themselves to be dependent upon the govt, and the govt failed them. When it came time for it to pay the piper for all the taxes it had sucked from the actual producers of the city, it collapsed under it’s own corruption and incompetence.

    The only thing they did do was to confiscate the firearms of law abiding citizens, leaving them defenseless against the armed gangs who pillaged the remains like fucking vultures.

    NO was a cesspool of corruption and bankrupt socialist policies before Katrina. All she did was give it a good douche and redistribute the miscreant gangbangers, crack whores, and welfare queens to other cities who had the compassion to take them in. They are repaid for their kindness with skyrocketing crime rates.

    You want to know why so many of the evacuees,especially the productive members of society, haven’t returned yet. Because they got out!

  34. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC

    I would have no idea what to do, except something obvious like help put fires out. Maybe there is some Red Cross training I should look into to be useful in times of crisis.

    Look into CERT training if they have it available in your area. Great knowledge to have and a very effective way to help out.

  35. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    if you asked for 100 volunteers, you’d get 300

    This…. is…. NEW SOUTH WAAAAAALLLLLEEEEESSSSSS!

    Sorry, I just couldn’t resist :)

    And I think the main difference between this situation and NO is that the Australians don’t assume all things flow effortlessly from the Federal teat, which wasn’t the case in Nagintown.

    Well, that and NO was a toilet that needed flushing and NSW is a functional society….

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    Don’t expect that here. Our people are locked into
    schadenfreude.
    Then our “gummint” strips the citizens of the means of
    self defense and leaves the peopleto the mercy(?)ofthe bad guys.
    Aussie must stand for awsome.

    My extraneous comment….Never forget ANZAC and what they’ve done for everyone!

  37. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crunchie

    thanks–Gunsniper found it for me

    In general, I won’t argue positive things about New Orleans

    However, I will argue the public transportation. You must have parking available to you if you have a car. In a more urban area, the population gets denser, and it gets to be a pain in the ass to have a car. I see nothing wrong with having buses in a city. It can be much less aggravating to take a bus than fight for parking. It’s nice to have a car for things like grocery shopping that are impractible by bus. My bus problem is that I was nocturnal, so that kind of limited bus use. However, I still used them when convenient. It can be pleasant to live in a city–it doesn’t have to be a cesspool. Plus it saves you an incredible amount of money if you don’t have a car. I never considered taking the bus a bad thing (husband hated it). We had one car back then.

    Now we live in a small city. We have our own driveway and parking on the streeet, which is one of the most awesome things of owning a house. My husband can no longer walk to work, so we got another Prius (that nickel mine damage dated back to the 1800s). We need our cars here. There is a bus to where I work, but it leaves at 6:48 AM, and I’m an afternoon/evening person. Plus the work I do can take longer than you expect, so it’s not a good idea to depend on a bus that only has one departure time.

    By the way, about the shooting range: finally brought it up, first stressing that I did not want to buy a gun. He went “ehhh” at the idea. I don’t think he’s a gun kind of guy. I’m the one more likely to want to go blasting things. But at least he didn’t have a cow, and I don’t have to hide it. The neighbors think the shooting range here doesn’t rent guns. Bah humbug!

  38. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    -about not evacuating: over 100,000 households didn’t have transportation. more difficult to evacuate

    Mayor Nagin had 200 some school buses at his disposal. He refused to use them. Amtrak offered seats; he refused. I believe that some airlines offered seats; he refused. People offered their boats; they were refused because they didn’t have the right number of life jackets. I mean, really!

    As Brendan is trying to point out: had there been some sort of plan in place, NO would not have been the disaster that it was. They didn’t wake up one morning and realize that they were below sea level.

    As someone pointed out, leave it to the French to design a city below sea level…

  39. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SkyeChild
    Actually, I did appreciate the lack of planning being the problem. And it is really fucked up to turn back transportation. Were they insane?

    My point was more that often the people get blamed because they didn’t evacuate when they were told to. It seemed to me that these people couldn’t get out without help, and they didn’t get it.

    ———–
    glad to hear your daughter is doing so well. There is something I was wondering that you might know. You said your daughter teaches at a predominantly Hispanic school. Hopefully the immigrant kids are learning English. Does that seem to be the case?

    I used to live in the barrio. Most of the people were quite nice. Some people would avoid living there because people were hispanic. (We are white)

  40. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    By the way, about the shooting range: finally brought it up, first stressing that I did not want to buy a gun. He went “ehhh” at the idea. I don’t think he’s a gun kind of guy. I’m the one more likely to want to go blasting things. But at least he didn’t have a cow, and I don’t have to hide it.

    Bravo! And ya never know until he tries. They can be very intoxicating and irresistible once you squeeze off that first shot, especially if you hit the mark. Good on ya PC, good luck.

    The neighbors think the shooting range here doesn’t rent guns. Bah humbug!

    A simple phone call or two and you will know for sure. I would be really surprised if there wasn’t a range within driving distance that doesn’t.

  41. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    Blast from the past…

    Willie Nagin radio interview…

    compare and contrast this trainwreck with Mayor Giuliani’s reaction to 9/11

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    Cunsniper
    THANKS FOR THE AVATAR! It’s perfect!

    After 9/11, when they were doing the cleanup, there was a special task force to limit any corruption. Pity there was nothing like that for New Orleans.

    Crunchie
    CERT thing seems like an excellent idea!

  43. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    :D The most psycho chick I could think of was Typhoid Mary from the Daredevil comics. I figured it would work well. :D

    You are quite welcome.

  44. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Hopefully the immigrant kids are learning English.

    Most are. But the majority of them can’t read well. Most of her kids aren’t immigrants; they’re illegals. Some are anchor babies.

    In years past, we immersed foreign kids into English-language classes, and most learned how to read and write English fluently. NOW, we are finding kids illiterate in BOTH languages.

  45. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    I’m sure that Misha and the other “furriners” here can relate to this story:

    When my German in-laws were still alive, I asked them once why they didn’t teach my first-generation German-American husband their native language as he was growing up. Their reply: we’re Americans now. We speak English.

    My Lithuanian father grew up in a Polish/Russian neighborhood, but all the kids went to the Catholic school. The nuns didn’t speak Polish/Russian/Lithuanian, etc. They spoke ENGLISH. And so did the kids. My dad credits his total immersion into ENGLISH for his success. He and his siblings went on to teach their parents English, albeit a bit rudimentary.

  46. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    Gunsniper,

    Re: Rudy on 9/11…I remember just sitting in awe of him, and Bush, and Tony Blair as they gave their speeches. Rudy’s was the best…he knew what his people needed…just the right amount of compassion and the right amount of steel.

    And he didn’t wait around for the “feds.” He stepped up to the plate. He knew what he had to do, and he DID it.

    What I find interesting is that, for all the damage that was one during Katrina, how come all we heard about was Nawlins? Would it have gotten as much coverage if it weren’t a “chocolate” city?

  47. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    It was all of the juicy stories coming from the Superdome.
    Bullshit of course.

  48. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    SkyeChild
    You know, I don’t know if you can ascribe the New Orleans coverage to the city being black, although that’s probably part of it. It also was a jazz city and kind of iconical. I did find it odd that the other Gulf Coast cities affected got so little publicity. Yeah, Gunsniper, the Superdome coverage probably didn’t hurt. I’m actually thrilled to read that article and find out that only a few people got hurt.

    Thanks for answering the English question. God, that much illiteracy is really depressing.

    About foreign languages, I never quite forgave my mother for killing my German. I had been in Germany for a month when I was in early elementary school, and you know how kids pick up languages. But when I got back, I had trouble saying “w” and things, so she stopped speaking German around me. It’s supposed to be a difficult language to learn, so it seems like a waste to kill it. It started coming back when we went to Germany for 10 days. My name is Helga. I had someone at the YMCA ask me if I was German just based on my looks.

    Do you still think I’m a Socialist? Really I’m not–I’m a pretty mainstream liberal. The official Socialist web site is really rather frightening.

  49. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    Do you still think I’m a Socialist?

    IMO you’re a kindred spirit looking for some truth even if your coming from a different paradigm.

  50. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Gunsniper
    Thanks. I can’t tell you how nice that is to hear, although most everyone has been really nice to me. I do get kind of confused when people rag on leftists: do they mean liberals or more left-wing people like Socialists (or Communists)? I’m never quite sure how to address those arguments.

  51. LC Gunsniper Comment by LC Gunsniper

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    A hint:

    Approach any argument, debate or discussion as an individual rather than identifying with any particular group.

  52. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    I am, at this moment, incredibly proud of my countrymen, and the magnificent way they have handled this.

    The floodwaters are rising, and as always, the Aussie battler is there to meet the challenge head on.

    A bus driver used a piece of rope to rescue a flood stranded driver…literally threw him a rope and pulled him in. :)

    The train lines to the Coast are still cut, buses are fighting to make it through, yet they won’t stop.

    Energex in Queensland is sending teams to help restore power to homes.

    The crews will help restore power to homes and businesses blacked out in the Central Coast and Hunter Valley regions after wild storms and flooding this weekend left more than 100,000 people without power.

    Queensland Energy Minister Geoff Wilson said the crews were experienced in lower-voltage electricity work and had taken part in disaster relief including the recovery operations in north Queensland areas devastated by Cyclone Larry last year.

    Yhis wont be easy

    Around 210 electricity technicians are being rushed in from country NSW, the ACT, Victoria and Queensland to try and restore power to homes.

    But Mr Lilliss said crews had been unable to reach some areas due to extreme flooding and storm damage.

    Trying to restore electricity to homes already threatened by floods, or cut off by floodwaters is no easy task.

    No worries.

    They’ll get it done.

    God bless ‘em all.

  53. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Gunsniper
    Aha! That makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

    Brendan
    really awesome!

  54. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    I’m sure that Misha and the other “furriners” here can relate to this story:

    When my German in-laws were still alive, I asked them once why they didn’t teach my first-generation German-American husband their native language as he was growing up. Their reply: we’re Americans now. We speak English.

    As one a them thar ferners, I have to agree.

    Of course it was pretty hard for me too…. I came here speaking English and had to learn ‘Merican!

  55. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    PC,

    If you believe that wealth should be “distributed” and not earned, or believe that industries (like the oil industry) should be nationalized, then you are a socialist. Maybe not hard-core, but still a socialist.

    Most of the left seems socialistic. They want what’s best for society, not the individual. That’s socialism in a nutshell.

    So, if you believe any of this:

    ˈsocialism noun
    the belief or theory that a country’s wealth (its land, mines, industries, railways etc) should belong to the people as a whole, not to private owners

    then, yes, you are a socialist.

    The left has taken it a step further, however, in taxing the rich into oblivion so that they (the rich) can pay for everyone else to live. That is more along the lines of communism:

    Communism

    1. A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.

    This is what Hillary ascribes to, which is why so many people find her so dangerous. I really don’t think this country NEEDS a communist/socialist president.

  56. LC SkyeChild Comment by LC SkyeChild

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    PC…gotta challenge for you:

    When you have time, think about the federal government-run agencies: FEMA, TSA, INS, NEA, etc..see if you can come up with one…JUST ONE that is run efficiently (that is, without corruption, scandal, in the black). If you can’t, then ask yourself why you want the federal government to take over YOUR health care…

  57. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    Now the real work begins

    I am the land Australia

  58. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Wow, LC Brendan! Your story was quite impressive and inspiring. Amazing what self-sufficiency, some thought, and some planning can do! Too bad the whiners and lazy assholes in New Orleans are probably going to remain deaf dumb and blind to the lesson. Too many people are so used to having everything handed to them on a silver platter, that they would not move a finger to save their lives.
    Sorry if my comments appear belated, but I was out of the loop for the weekend (first weekend training with the National Guard, preparing for bootcamp), so I am just now reading all the posts.

  59. LC Crusader Comment by LC Crusader

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    Nagin is probably going to run for Congress if Rep. Jefferson resigns. That will be a scary day for Louisiana and America.

  60. TJ's Anti-Contrarian Blog Comment by TJ's Anti-Contrarian Blog

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    Hello. I’m Mayor Nagin’s press secretary. Mayor Nagin is quite busy preparing to run for Congress (to replace a recently indicted fellow DUmbasCrap Democrat.
    He asked me to ask you…what do you know about running a “chocolate” city? Do you have any idea how industrious the inhabitants of New Orleans really are?

    We live off tourist money from tourists who do nothing but get drunk and show their boobs. That takes a lot out of us, and it’s sometimes difficult to plan for major disasters — in fact, most days it’s hard to get outta bed before 11 a.m. Hell, the Welfare office doesn’t even open until noon because people won’t line up until then anyway (I know I won’t).

    Until you understand our glorious city you got nuttin’ to tell us whitey.
    Please refrain from further comment until you’ve live the life we have lived.

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  62. Unregistered Comment by Azygos

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    TJ,

    So what you’re sayin is that NO is basically run by a bunch of boobs?

  63. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    Totally OT, but Psychochick’s avatar is DA BOMB!!!!!

  64. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Natasha
    Thank you! I owe it all to Gunsniper

    Thank you for serving in the National Guard!

    SkyeChild
    Why do you keep pestering me about nationalization? I said No in your little quiz about nationalizing the oil industry. I have never said that I am in favor of nationalization. Let it go. Unless it’s part of your grand strategy to prove I’m a Socialist. Actually, like I said before. My one exception would be a company making critical war parts that was screwing up. Again, I don’t mean to be rude to you; it’s just frustrating.

    NSF

    I do think the government should own some land so we have parks people can go to. That’s hardly a radical idea.

    I don’t think the government could do any worse than the insurace company I have now (although I am lucky to have insurance). They seem to hate me and stop paying claims periodically. However, if it’s like what you have to go to at the social security agency (from what I hear), I wouldn’t want that either.

    My concern for healthcare is the poor people that die because they can’t afford healthcare. Medicare pays such a small amount for doctor’s and dentist’s visits, that a lot of providers won’t except them. There are a lot of working poor–not everybody sits around watching Oprah. Even middle class people are having trouble getting insurance (some screen you out for athlete’s foot!). A large proportion of bankrupcies are due to medical bills. We do need something different. Personally, I have no clever solution. We spend the most money per person on health care of any country in the world, but we have very poor ratings for quantifiable measures such as infant mortality and lifespan. And it’s not ALL the fault of illegal immigrants. They actually do pretty well in the infant mortality category (I think!)

    Well, there’s my rant. I actually would have to know more about Hillary’s proposal before I made any comment. I was waiting for them to get past the posturing phase before I seriously considered their stands on issues.

  65. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    PC

    My concern for healthcare is the poor people that die because they can’t afford healthcare.

    Sorry sweetie, throwing the bullshit flag on that one. First off, ER’s are required by law to treat people regardless of income or ability to pay. The state picks up the tab on delinquencies. There are also a ton of charitable organizations out there that assist with medical care for the disadvantaged. If the gummint won’t pay for it, charity will.

    but we have very poor ratings for quantifiable measures such as infant mortality and lifespan.

    According to whom? The last I heard our lifespan is slightly above par for industrialized nations, and infant mortality I don’t have stats on but assume it’s probably the same.

    Want a solution to the problem, let’s go back to pre-medicaid days when the market drive Doctors rates. I don’t have the facts or figures, but I remember a stream awhile back that talked about this topic pretty in depth.

  66. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    crunchie
    2 things

    1) the kid whose dentist wouldn’t extract his tooth for $80–bacteria went to brain. Then they spent a huge amount of money on him, but he didn’t make it

    2) really shitty hospital in LA: had woman who had been in for 2 previous days. They didn’t want to deal with her any more. She lay writhing on the floor in pain for 45 min (janitor cleaned around her). They found she had a warrant, and she died as she was being put in the police car. She had a perforated bowel and could have been saved (this was within the past couple weeks)

    However, I believe that you are right in general

  67. LC HJ Caveman82952 Comment by LC HJ Caveman82952

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    An interesting discussion, to be sure. My experience? I learned, the hard way, to buy catastrophic medical insurance. My daughter costs me about a hundred bucks a month. She has no doctor visits or pharmacy benefits, we pay that out of pocket, her meds another hundred bucks a month. I am on my wifes medical plan at work, I use both hers and my dental plans. But I have been bankrupted by medical bills many years ago. My wife on life support, hospitalized for eleven days, my daughter hospitalized twice in the same year. Totally destroyed me, well over a hundred thousand, having simultaneously just lost half a business. They were going to sue me, wouldn’t take payments, I said fuck you and filed on ‘em. I swore it would not happen again….and it hasn’t. I may go broke for other reasons but it won’t be doctors. I have and do see the ER’s and clinics packed with illegals and such. But I also know were the market to determine costs they would probably drop….or nobody could go to a doctor. A well known dirty secret is that insured folks subsidize uninsured. It’s calculated ino the bill. I read my bill, three bucks for one Advil…seventeen for a vike……..hell, I had to take two after reading that.

  68. LC 0311 crunchie Comment by LC 0311 crunchie

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    It’s calculated ino the bill. I read my bill, three bucks for one Advil…seventeen for a vike……..hell, I had to take two after reading that.

    If you weren’t already in a hospital, the bill is sure to put you there.

    I hope you never have to go through that again Caveman. I hope no one does. I’m glad though that your wife made it and I pray for your daughter.

    How did anyone ever afford going to the doctor before nationalized medicine (lite version) and insurance came along? The market dictated the rates and people could afford to pay out of pocket. Oh yeah, there weren’t massive malpractice premiums the docs were forced to pay.

  69. Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M Comment by Imperial Tobacconist LC&IB M

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    OK, I’m in this thread late and it’s gotten way off topic from the original post, but I feel the need to point out something to Psychochick, who recently said:

    My concern for healthcare is the poor people that die because they can’t afford healthcare. Medicare pays such a small amount for doctor’s and dentist’s visits, that a lot of providers won’t except them. There are a lot of working poor–not everybody sits around watching Oprah.

    My dad recently turned 71. He’s a working guy, never developed a retirement plan to fall back on, and still works for a living. About five years ago, he developed a serious health issue, a life-threatening aneurysm in his descending aorta that impeded circulation to his legs.

    All he had for health insurance was what Medicare and Medicaid could provide. He was rapidly referred to one of the leading cardiovasular surgeons in Texas, and after a six-hour stint in the operating room in which his heart was intentionally stopped and all his “guts” were displaced onto a tray to allow access to the site, his descending aorta and both femoral arteries were replaced with Dacron synthetic substitutes.

    The doctor told him in the recovery room “I’ve just added 20 years to your lifespan”.

    Dad’s total out of pocket expense was less than a thousand dollars. So right now, let’s get one thing clear. People don’t die in this nation because they “can’t afford” healthcare.

  70. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    OK, I’m in this thread late and it’s gotten way off topic from the original post,

    And this is new….how? :p

  71. LC&IB Vulcanrider Comment by LC&IB Vulcanrider

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    PC mentions:

    I actually would have to know more about Hillary’s proposal before I made any comment. I was waiting for them to get past the posturing phase before I seriously considered their stands on issues.

    Wanna know more about it? Contact a military member (or a retiree that’s paying for the medical care they were promised for free, for life,) about it. It’s a not so well known “secret” that the Hitlerly Health Care Plan was one of the many programs that the Billy-Boy Country Club used the military to experiment on. And now, since they got it past Congress and found out it didn’t work, the only people shackled with this commie/socialist health “care” program are those that served this country in the military service.

    Let’s see Congress put themselves under the same program and then watch how fast it gets changed…

  72. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Our prayers and sympathies go out to those in NSW facing these harsh challenges. Their first responders and civilian volunteers deserve every kudo they receive and then some. We in NOLA have a special appreciation for folks like our Coast Guard and National Guardsmen, as well as brave individuals who take to boats and risk their own safety to save others. God bless and good on all such menschen wherever they may be found.

    On the dig at NOLA, Nagin and Blanco deserve every negative you can throw at them. Would that they had the brains and souls to feel shame–unfortunately, they do not. They are vestiges of a free-wheeling, easy living culture that got a 25′ wall of cold water in the face on 8/29/05. The vast majority of working people in NOLA, like most cities in the U.S., do what they do and achieve what we achieve by working around gummint. That’s how it was everywhere on the central Gulf coast, except at the Stupordome and out front at the Convention Center before, during, and after Katrina. The vast majority of residents evac’d and many who stayed took care of themselves and many, many more. Those stories, that we followed on local message boards and by first-hand reports, got 0 news coverage, while the same pix of a few looters and whiners got shown over and over again. Hopefully, Aussie media aren’t so lame.

    One difference between what I’m seeing about Sydney and NOLA is that people, like first responders and volunteers apparently did not have to evacuate–they could shelter in place, then respond immediately, with at least some infrastructure intact. That was not the case with hurricane Katrina hitting an area from roughly Mobile, Al. to Houma, La.–i.e., about 200 miles of coastline. Coastal communities that had helped one another in the past were wiped out together. Another notable difference seems to be that Aussie gummint (local or national? both?) apparently encourages civilian volunteers, while the U.S., at virtually every level, dissuades, if it doesn’t outright prohibit citizen action. In that regard, particularly, we should really look at the “Sydney model.”

    Since the advent of public assistance and particularly LBJ’s “Great Society,” local gummint has been increasingly in thrall to a federal bureaucracy whose purpose is to buy votes for the party in power with taxpayer funded benefits. No surprise some of the most powerful political machinery winds up centered around densely populated, federally funded housing projects. I think it would be a valuable addition to this thread if LC Brendan or another familiar with Sydney could provide some information about its and/or Australia’s social welfare and public housing situations. Bottom line, if your federal, state, and local gummints don’t permit a parasitic culture to grow unchecked, you won’t have the problems virtually every U.S. inner city has and that were laid bare in NOLA by hurricane Katrina.

    What the MSM reports about New Orleans is no more accurate than what they report about Iraq. Remarkably, the level of ignorance among U.S. citizens regarding one of the nation’s most commercially and strategically significant cities is also pretty shocking. Tourism is big here–because NOLA always has been a really great place to visit and can be a great place to live. No one forces 100s of thousands of tourists to come. It can also suck, if you’re not prepared to take care of yourself at least to a minimum extent. As or more significant economically are industries related to shipping and the port system and oil and gas,aquaculture, with lots of smaller, mercantile and other entrepreneurial businesses. People who think any city, even a crazy one like NOLA, are based on a “T-shirt” or “Tourism” economy, need to take off the blinders.

    May God bless all of good will in Sydney, NOLA and everywhere; may His mercy be with us all in times of trouble.

  73. LC&IB Vulcanrider Comment by LC&IB Vulcanrider

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    And let me get this back OT. Brendan, thanks for the coverage, and here’s hoping things are getting better. I was in the Emergency Management business for 17 years in the military, and we did the same thing. No waiting for outside help, we put the base back together and operating in minimal time, and only because of one thing…WE PLANNED AND IMPLEMENTED THE PLAN! And that includes an assignment to The Azores, which is the place most Atlantic hurricanes go before they die.

    Nice to know that at least someone out there is establishing procedures, training for disasters, then implementing the plan. Not enough of that happening here, for sure.

  74. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Sorry to go off-topic around. I wasn’t around for the other posts that were addressed to me.

    Imperial
    I’m so glad your father is doing better. I’m glad the system works for a lot of people, however I did list a couple of examples of poor people who died from lack of health care. It does happen. A lot of people on fixed incomes can’t afford their medications. I am glad to hear the situation isn’t as dire as I thought. I don’t want to get in a huge argument on this and am going to work.

    Vulcanrider
    consider me better-informed. I have read about the amounts some veterans need to pay for their health care, and it does seem like a travesty.

  75. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    TJ, you channel Nagin’s current staff admirably (when first elected, he had a bunch of techies and business guys from his former life at Cox Communications–not too hard to see the supporting cast had the real talent). Reminds me of an ex-federal judge in NOLA who, upon overhearing disparaging comments about his timeliness from some visiting New Yawk lawyuhs, instructed them from the bench: “This court runs on boogie time–that’s whenever I boogie on in here! Motion denied!” He was indicted and found guilty or pled to some kind of corrupt act, too. Thanks to all affirmative action supporters for making these wonderfully entertaining events possible–it’s a gift that really keeps on givin’.

  76. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Psychochick, don’t know what low income healthcare has to do with this thread, but based on the places indicated in your stories, they’re actually parables for what’s wrong with making our health care system essentially wide open to all comers. I’d be willing to bet that when those people presented, there were at least a dozen illegals and/or welfare sponges clogging up the ER with colds, headaches, flu, or diaper rash. I took my 12 year old in for a probable fractured humorous and opted not to sit around for hours and contract tropical diseases from the dozen or so clinic cases that just had to be seen at the ER. We splinted and wrapped him and took him to an orthopedist the next day. Not optimal, but it worked out OK. If hospital ERs could reject non-emergency cases as well as illegal aliens and welfare cases (who can go to Charity Hospitals at least in Louisiana), the whole system could respond better to true emergencies and the cost would be substantially less. My insurance and hard-earned dollars pay for those dozen societal hemorrhoids that were obstructing the emergency room the night we went in. My tax dollars are supporting Charity Hospitals. So if I work and pay taxes not only do I miss the 10 a.m. blunt and 40 service on da stoop, I (and probably you, too) also get to pay multiple times for basic healthcare that I don’t even use that much, ’cause I try to eat healthy, don’t do drugs, and avoid gettin’ capped or jugged, n’ sh-t). Not right, not even slightly.

  77. Spartan24 Comment by Spartan24

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    -about not evacuating: over 100,000 households didn’t have transportation.

    I know someone already mentioned the flooded schoolbusses. You are learning though, PC. I do like the avatar.

  78. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    AyUaxe
    The health care issue came up, because there is a running debate with someone who thinks I’m a Socialist (Not!) She had asked what I thought of Hillary’s plan, which I’m actually not up on. And evolution progressed.

    Sorry about your ER experience. I don’t know about mine–I was in a coma. I could well be wrong, but I thought you had to wait if your condition was minor. It seems like you should have been seen quickly. I think it does say something that people go to the ER for this minor shit, when a doctor would be more appropriate. ER=Emergency!

    Spartan
    I just meant that you couldn’t blame the people for not evacuating, not that NO didn’t screw up their evacuation. [I’ve heard a number of people (not on this blog) that blame the stupid people for not evacuating.]

    Thanks! That was really nice of Gunsniper to find it for me. Glad you think I’m progressing! I am creeping closer to the Darkside.

  79. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    You can only blame individuals for not evacuating. This is supposed to be a relatively free country, so if people are too stupid, lazy, contrary, or brave to evacuate in the face of a killer storm or the like, they should take that responsibility. You can blame gummint if they withhold information or fail to provide reasonable, adequate planning and infrastructure to handle the public side of emergencies–this is the real point of contrast between what LC Brendan reports from Sydney and what we saw in NOLA. In fact, Nagin and local Homeland Security Idiots advised and ultimately ordered full evacuation of the city. There was and hopefully never will be any way to enforce such a tyrannical order, no matter how well intentioned. Something like 80% got out. If you look at the number of flooded cars retrieved from housing projects and poorer neighborhoods, you can see, even if you don’t have the pre-storm frame of reference I have, that there was plenty of private capability to evac, even among the poorest residents. Hospitals and nursing homes also had the capabilities to evac, but made considered, if mistaken, decisions to shelter in place (I personally know some fared better who did stay–just luck of location). In the end, individuals who could’ve but just failed to evac used up a lot of heroic first responder resources that should’ve been focused on hospitals and nursing homes. But then, what does a Coasty Copter think when they see a 10 year old on her roof waiving for help? Somehow, “screw the idiot” doesn’t come to mind. God bless the heroes wherever they are and have mercy on fools, ’cause nature nor I will.

  80. Emperor Misha I Comment by Emperor Misha I

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    I just meant that you couldn’t blame the people for not evacuating, not that NO didn’t screw up their evacuation. [I’ve heard a number of people (not on this blog) that blame the stupid people for not evacuating.]

    Oh yes you can. Who else would you blame? People are responsible for their own actions, particularly the stupid ones.

    If I catch somebody whose house is on fire and I politely point it out to him, then it’s his own damn fault if he chooses to shrug and go inside to watch American Idol until the farkin’ roof falls on his head. Don’t expect me to feel sorry for his dumb arse.

    I’m everloving sick and tired of useless sheep expecting, nay demanding that “somebody else” take them by the hand and lead them through every last step of their lives. If they won’t take charge of their own lives, then their lives are useless as far as the rest of society is concerned. They contribute nothing, demand everything and are nothing but dead weight shackled to the ankles of humanity.

    In the very specific case of Katrina, the only blame that resides anywhere else than with the individuals who decided to stay behind and brave a Force 5 Hurricane below sea level (if anybody has heard of anything more mindcrushingly stupid than that, then please let me know) is the blame for nobody having a plan. Not because you should be absolved of the responsibility of having one yourself, few things are more stupid than to rely on somebody else for your continued life and well-being, but because that’s what citizens hire and pay their local governments to do. If they’re not willing to do that, then one might as well do away with them since they, too, are contributing nothing.

    But planning and executing an evacuation isn’t the Federal gummint’s job, it’s the job of local government (as in cue ball Raycist Nagin and his hopelessly and criminally inept administrators). Telling everybody to get the Hell out, then fleeing for the high ground while letting hundreds of perfectly serviceable school buses drown in the lots where they were parked is not merely inept, it’s downright criminal, and he should be tried and executed for murder. The only example of anybody using his brains was that teenager who, faced with the reality of wanting to evacuate but having no means to do so (Raycist Nagin was already gone and hiding in his luxury mansion), stole a school bus, loaded it up with anybody he could find and rode out of there.

    He was, of course, later arrested for having a brain. Government doesn’t like for their subjects to think for themselves.

    But yes, you damn well can blame worthless idiot wastes of DNA who choose to do nothing, expecting somebody else to save their bacon and whining like 3-year-olds when they realize that they’re on their own.

    I have no use for them. They can either choose to take charge and grow the fuck up or they can drown. Either way works fine for me.

  81. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Spot on your Rottieness (exc. the kid who drove the bus was, it turns out, more akin to a Merry Prankster–the bust was for heroin possession). Course, what’s that say about Nagin–he’s less competent than an 18 year old drop-out heroin user. Even more significant, what’s that say about Mark Landrieu, his main opponent in the mayoral race–umm, lower than whale sh_t springs to mind.

  82. Princess Natasha Comment by Princess Natasha

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    But yes, you damn well can blame worthless idiot wastes of DNA who choose to do nothing, expecting somebody else to save their bacon and whining like 3-year-olds when they realize that they’re on their own.

    Amen! Preach it, brother! I am with the Emperor on this one, all the way! Poverty has jack-squat to do with ability to protect yourself, and to provide for your own survival–in a manner that does not violate others’ rights.

    I am so sick of hearing and seeing the same fucking excuse for all sorts of bullshit people pull and get away with: “But they are POOOOOOOR….” Nonsense! Being poor does not automatically make you stupid, paralyzed, or criminal. Nor does it absolve you from the consequences of your actions.

    My family was very poor when we arrived in the States (not the case when we lived in Russia and not the case now). Did we act like assholes? Oh, fuck no! We knew the poverty was temporary. Why? Because we relied on ourselves. We did not expect someone to come and take our problems away. We also knew better than to be assholes toward others. It’s fucking common sense. So, fuck the “poverty alibi”. It’s false. It’s a blanket excuse for worthless wastes of oxygen who refuse to use the only survival mechanism granted to humankind—the gift of rational thought.

  83. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    What do you do if you have no money and don’t have a car, and bus and train transportation is limited? What wonderful option is there that these losers didn’t take advantage of? I’m really curious. (I thought the bus hijacking thing was really clever). It didn’t seem like walking was a feasible option.

    I’m not convinced that the flooded cars mean most people blew off leaving (I’m sure there were some)–ghetto areas are full of junkers that don’t work.

    I’ve been poor, too, and it never occurred to me to ask for government aid (in hindsight I would probably have eligible). I remained a productive member of society.

  84. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    What do you do if you have no money and don’t have a car, and bus and train transportation is limited?

    If you have planned properly, the buses and transport are not limited as you know what to do, and when to do it, and with what resources.

    You have a pool of drivers ready to go, summoned on an as needs basis from an on call roster.

    They don’t need to BE full time bus drivers, those that are already full time already have their orders..what you draw on are people who are qualified to drive buses.

    Clerks, typists, the unemployed.

    When did they get qualified? Ages ago, when they were selected for the on call register.

    Then if you have the planners in place,and you hasve done your job right you set up a “great circle approach” for buses to pick up and drop off at preplanned exit and entry points.

    You already have coordinators and marshals in place at each evac as guides for the mass of people leaving, done in stages as to ensure that each set can be handled properly and in an orderly fashion.

    Water stations and a first aid station should be set up at each checkpoint.

    Radio network preplanned and preorganised.

    Aerial coordination and oversight, (all you need is one chopper) to see the ground glitches and fix them.

    At those points, marshals will organise egress out of the area via other means which may include but not be limited to large small or medium rail, air and/or road mass transit.

    Like these

    Hiya

    What wonderful option is there that these losers didn’t take advantage of?

    Ask Nagin. He’s the one that didn’t plan.

  85. psychochick Comment by psychochick

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    Brendan
    I think you are totally correct–that is the way to do things. And extremely impressively, I might add!

    However, the individuals were criticized for their lack of action, and I was wondering what they could possibly have done differently without government help.

    “you damn well can blame worthless idiot wastes of DNA who choose to do nothing”

  86. LCBrendan Comment by LCBrendan

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    However, the individuals were criticized for their lack of action, and I was wondering what they could possibly have done differently without government help.

    Tons.

    Lemme give you a thumbnail.

    Local precinct evac captains with local knowledge and local neighbourhood recognition, to start the ball rolling. He/she knows the old, the infirm, the reliable, the not so reliable.

    He/she knows the ones who will need the most help, and the least. Local rescue units to start the evac, guide them to the start points and start the process…work with the area managers to get things moving. Who needs FEMA when your local council already has plans to look after you until they get there?

    Each one of them knows the area backwards, which roads go where, what the fastest ways are in and out. Eighty people to go from 21st and Main to East 34th street?..great, we take Weehawken and West for two blocks then left and then right.

    Have designated “rabbits” that walk them there and back..yeah they will always be moving but they can also be everywhere…you use them like (no offense intended but you get my drift) sheepdogs, they can be the troubleshooters…give em radios and a PLANNED usage guide so they all aren’t yakking at once.

    “Fifteen at York and Tenth, three with babies”

    “Got them, Marshal Team Six, you have fifty from 52nd Street to go to Cappaqua Park. Be advised we have ten buses incoming to that location, get ready to start loading”

    “Baytree School is filling up”

    “Fine, open HS 123 and set up the auditorium as a dormitory.We planned for two hundred…two fifty if we push it”

    “Dayglo High is flooded”

    “Okay, go to alternate..34th HS.”

    “Damaged in the quake”

    “Right. Music School on I Street is….room for a hundred.”

    USE THE LOCALS…they know everything. Plan it all down to the street level. Your teams should know their area blindfolded. With local council help they can set up water stations, food drops and caches, water purification stations..I know it’s the ideal but you get my meaning?

    Train fifty people as traffic managers and put em through refreshers every few months. That’s fifty cops you wont need to tie up if the traffic lights die…..

    All the power is out? Have one guy with a boom box and an aerial to catch the announcements and radio news broadcasts.
    The more people know the less afraid they will be. They may be stranded …but if they know help is coming, then they wont panic.

    PANIC IS CONTAGIOUS.

    You would be shocked to realise just how much can be accomplished with little government help and a lot of commonsense. All of the above is theoretical…but even as a first plan its a damned sight better than just sitting there waiting to be rescued.

    Blankets. A place to sleep. Food and water.

    How hard can that be?

  87. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    Blankets. A place to sleep. Food and water.

    How hard can that be?

    In NO, if it isn’t hand-delivered by the Gub’ment?

    Pretty hard.

    You are talking about people so heedless of their duty to themselves that people (and peace officers) able bodied enough to have simply walked out of the flood prone areas before the storm instead stayed (and looted) rather than move to districts that won’t be under ten feet of water.

    I saw plenty of people on the news able bodied and mobile enough to move around and shoot at their rescuers, loot and pose for news crews, so why was it they didn’t leave? Because no-one from the government came and did it for them. People that lacking in internal resources we can do without.

  88. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    NC LivingBrit is right to a point about the able-bodied who don’t help themselves, their neighbors, or families–we don’t need them and if they drown by their own recalcitrance, good riddance. It is sad, maybe tragic, if they take children and elderly with them, but that is natural selection at work–I wish we’d let it work.

    Interestingly, what LC Brendan describes is essentially a very effective, coordinated nanny gummint making sure everyone gets out using civilian resources, even if they’re “unreliable.” I’d really like to see institution of on-call volunteer lists for all kinds of stuff, though. I’d also like to see the cops deputize citizens to defend their neighborhoods against crime (I mostly just want the free range time). That’s real likely (snark) in the “them vs. us” world of gummint in the U.S. today.

    PsychoChick–don’t know why it’s so difficult for so many people to understand that when thousands of people only pay $16-$50 a month for a 2 bdrm apt., get food and medical for free, with stipends from AFDC, Social Security, and/or other welfare sources, and all other income, from legal and illegal sources, is off the books, they can afford a car. Given that highschool education and even some post-secondary education is also readily available for free everywhere, there’s no excuse whatsoever (except now that illegal aliens have taken all the entry-level jobs) for people to live in a level of poverty that prevents them taking care of their basic needs. In fact, since no finance officer can deny our project denizens credit without the NAACP and USDOJ breathing down their necks, they can get a nicer car than I can. The number of new SUVs, Maximas, Altimas, and Pontiacs (Caddies, unless Escalades, not so much anymore) seen daily parked in and about housing projects before Katrina (and returning with a vengeance) really made/makes going to work in my 5 yr. old volvo s40 a little demoralizing. This situation is a nationwide virus–NOLA put it on TV, but every US city has the same problem festering in its core. Stop gummint assistance and social interference, return to first principles–if you don’t work, you don’t eat–and every element of life will improve, from emergency response, to healthcare, to crime control.

    BTW, back on point, LC Brendan, what are you hearing as to “after action” reports from Sydney? We continue to pray that folks of good will there will remain safe and strong.

  89. LC NCLivingBrit Comment by LC NCLivingBrit

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    My dad was a big fan of an American saying that has pretty much gone the way of the dodo:

    Root, hog or die.

    Let’s add -that- to the flag.

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    Interestingly, what LC Brendan describes is essentially a very effective, coordinated nanny gummint making sure everyone gets out using civilian resources, even if they’re “unreliable.”

    No..I threw together an ad hoc idea of what civilians can do WITHOUT relying on the Federal Government..an illustration on the fly of how local emergency planning can be utilised IN CONCERT with higher echelons.

    It is not “nanny gummint”..I was asked what can be done at a local level,,..my plan was or would be a small piece in a much larger plan at all levels.

    The bottom line is a MUCH better outcome than NO. The Govt will help a great deal…but until help can get there, the people are on their own.

    Federal => State => Local government.

    Let’s say the local planners evacuate 3000 from one area that is lightly hit, and they have food and water and are self sufficient and don’t need immediate rescue…leaving the much larger forces time and room to do major rescue work where they are desperately needed.

    A couple of thousand people camped on high ground, with food, and water, and basic medical supplies can manage one or two days on their own…whilst the rescue teams go in after people who are trapped and whose lives are in peril.

    One team can be detailed to keep an eye on them and look after them..the main force can get on with the business of dealing with the real crisis.

    Clearance of surface casualties (walking and lightly wounded, can be removed quickly and gotten out of danger)
    Rescue of the lightly trapped
    Exploration of likely survival points
    Selected debris clearance
    Total debris clearance.

    We Aussies know that sometimes we might not get Federal assistance straight away, that’s what the State Governments are for.

    The system works and works damned well.

    BTW, back on point, LC Brendan, what are you hearing as to “after action” reports from Sydney? We continue to pray that folks of good will there will remain safe and strong.

    Waters are receding, the emergency is over. Now the cleanup starts, there is a lot of work ahead.

    The communities will pull together and work together, Aussies will look after their friends, their neighbours.

    As we always have.As we always will.

    The ship is still stranded, operations ongoing.

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    ..and the rain has started again.

    It will be a wet winter.

  92. AyUaxe Comment by AyUaxe

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    Thanks for the reply and clarification–I whole-heartedly agree that the type of coordination you describe would be very helpful in any emergency.

    Please understand my “sensitivity” about the “digs” at NOLA and its citizens in these discussions–what you think happened in NOLA, necessarily based almost entirely on MSM reports, suggests a far worse outcome than was the case. While a few NoPD officers lost it, most held on and fought back the night and the tides. They saved hundreds if not thousands with personal and commandeered boats. Same for the local National Guard units (brother of one of my best friends was the CO–SF, good attorney and real hero). They saved and secured bunches of people who didn’t deserve the quality of attention they got. The vast majority of residents evac’d on their own a day or more before. I drove out after securing my house and packing the rest of the guns (that didn’t go with the wife and sons earlier), family bibles, and pets just as the wind and rain started to pick up Sun. night before. People who stayed, in areas that weren’t completely under water after the storm passed, formed ad hoc groups for security, to forage for food, and in some instances, to conduct rescue ops. They didn’t really need gummint organization, there wasn’t any electronic communication to speak of (that infrastructure was almost completely destroyed –that’s a Cat 5 for you).
    Some ate well out of some very high-end meat lockers for as long as stuff would last without power–then they went to organized evac areas and headed out, too. That’s the real story that only gets a few frames of Spike Lee’s movie or seconds on Anderson Cooper–and their stuff was better than most.

    Only those few (and it’s a few too many, for sure) who have always and always will whine for others to take care of their every need and even fewer decent folk who just got caught up in that crowd got all the news coverage. As usual for the MSM, good news ain’t news.

    I certainly hope Sydney and NSW is able to recover better than NOLA, but I want it clearly understood that many, many of the people in and around NOLA responded and continue to respond bravely to an utterly overwhelming catastrophe, just as the fine folks of NSW have done. We are trying to get rid of idiots like Nagin, Blanco, Chertoff, Brown, and Shrub. You all see how difficult that can be on a national level and in your own communities. Would that we could get elected officials like Col. Beron and Gen. Honore and the men and women with sense to evac and the grit to come back and rebuild intelligently and to demand that government at all levels, including the Corps of Engineers, do their real jobs, not charity or political work.

    We’ll be thinking of the Aussies’ working through their tough winter, while we warily weather our long summer hurricane season again. God bless the good guys, where ever they are!