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Son of Zhamnesty Rising
Posted by: Emperor Misha I in Borders? What Borders?, President Weeniedick, RINOs, Useless Swine10:53 PM
Lindsay Lohan Graham and Mel Martinez are getting ready for round two, “sweetening the pot” by promising to enforce some of the laws already on the books that they never bothered to enforce in the past and throwing some money at the border that won’t ever be used for anything. If they’re even going to be thrown once they have their Open Borders Bill of ‘07 turned into law.
Aren’t these the same lying assholes who already promised to build 700 miles of border fence, a fence that is currently all of two miles long with no signs of it ever getting longer?
Here’s the only “compromise” you’re even going to get, you worthless wastes of protoplasm:
You enforce all of the laws and provisions we were promised back in 1986 (remember that one?), the ones you swore up and down that you were going to enforce if only we gave you that amnesty, then you enforce every single other law already on the books, then you demonstrate convincingly that the borders have been secured and that the situation has been brought under control.
Then, and only then, not one milli-second before that, can we start talking about what to do with those Pore Oppressed Souls Living in the Dreadful Shadows, because the only thing you and your fellow gasbags, corrupt, overpaid and underworked suits, have proven up until now is that you can’t be trusted.
That’s it.
That’s the compromise.
Take it or leave it. If you don’t take it, then I swear upon all that is holy to me that I will work tirelessly against the election of anybody voting for the Arbusto/McVain/Kennedy/Lindsay/Kyl Zhamnesty. If you as much as speak approvingly of it, you’re on the Shit List. And I don’t give a rat’s arse who your opponent is. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I’m an independent now, remember?
That’s my promise.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, it’s time to get back to the phone, email and snail mail.
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Are we going to have the Coast Guard patrolling the Rio Grande for wetbacks now?
June 12th, 2007 at 11:08 PMUsing
Emperor,
June 12th, 2007 at 11:30 PMHow right you are. You don’t need to be able to vote for one of these maggots to have the ability to slam a torpedo into his sorry ass. These arrogant elitist bastards are worthy of our contempt no matter where they live. Any worthy opponent in a primary can use our help.
I received a begging letter from the RNC today, I sent them 20 pesos! On their stamp. Screw ‘em.
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And people try to tell us that the fence isn’t necessary? Riiight. How much was that brooklyn bridge you had for sale? Can I get a two-for-one deal?
Build every stinking INCH of the wall first. Include at least 5 miles out into the ocean as well. And slap the crap out of the jerkwads at EEOC that cry racism if you check somebody’s ID more closely than not at all. Enforce the laws already on the books, tell the EEOC to shut up or disband them entirely, and BUILD THE WALL. Then and only then can we talk about alternatives. I’ve got a great one, cut off welfare and eliminate the minimum wage. Tell the lazy couch potatos they can work (and work WELL) or else. Whatdoyaknow, suddenly we’ve got jobs that americans can do after all. I’ll be generous and let you keep unemployment and foodstamps, but welfare has to go. Disability on SocSec is one thing, if they’re able bodied and CHOOSING to NOT work, put them to work by any means necessary. And those that “can’t” find anything give them directions to the nearest agency and show them to the door.
RH
June 12th, 2007 at 11:36 PMUsing
OK, not quite ANY means… sorry. I’m not saying we go all USSR and make it a crime to be unemployed. Wasn’t what I meant, sorry. But they can work, live off charity/family, or find a nice cardboard box to call home. Period.
RH
June 12th, 2007 at 11:41 PMUsing
Upon learning that Senators Martinez and Graham were the two who concocted this new abomination, I realized I knew all I needed to know right there. Heck, even the Fox News article stated they hadn’t floated it before God, er, I mean Senator Kennedy first. The veins on Reid’s forehead will explode from righteous indignation before he’ll allow that amendment to be voted upon!
How do they think that spending MORE money on the items they’ve already PROMISED to do (except the still won’t PROMISE TO ENFORCE our LAWS FIRST!) is going to fix the GIGANTIC fiscal shortfall the rest of the bill will cause when every ILLEGAL ALIEN CAUGHT will demand a federally-funded lawyer. That’s not to mention the cost to all federally-funded programs starting in 2018 when the REAL benefits kick in for the Z-Visa recipients.
I’m voting for the “du Toit Plan”:
1. Secure the border
2. Eliminate “anchor babies” in the Constitution
3. Legislatively “lock out” all “Caught-in-Country” illegal aliens from ever being eligible for citzenship OR visas OR amnest-through-fines (I added a bit there)
4. Allow 6 months for illegals to “relocate” then…
5. Close the border. Hermetically, if possible!
I can’t see the current crop of Senators passing the Graham-Martinez amendment, but I can hear the sound bites now. “Well, we tried, but the votes just aren’t there.” Of course, they could always allow it now, then revise it later, if it becomes law, with a simple majority vote of 51 members of the Senate. NEVER FORGET THAT! Support this bill at your own peril because they WILL stab us in the back later when they “adjust it for humanitarian reasons” by lowering the fines or waiving them completely, eliminating any enforcement provisions, completely eliminating the guest worker program on the grounds that it’s “unmanageable”, and a host of other items the Dems consider to be “flaws”
June 13th, 2007 at 12:02 AMUsing
‘Zactemundo.
Which is yet another reason why I want enforcement first. Once enforced, they can’t easily “un-enforce” it, particularly if part of the enforcement is a 2,000 mile long fence.
And if they’re really all that sincere about their promises to stop illegal immigration and get the shit under control, then what problem could they possibly have doing the enforcement bit first?
June 13th, 2007 at 12:13 AMUsing
What I can’t figure out is why they don’t take the amnesty concept and apply it to employers of illegal aliens. Give them a couple of months to get rid of all their illegal alien employees, and if they do, then they get amnesty. If not, they get jail.
It seems to me that that would eliminate the reason for a lot of the illegals to come here, it would make it harder to stay here, and a lot of them might go back on their own. They deport themselves, essentially.
Employers would be more likely to get rid of their illegal workers if they realized that they could avoid jail if they did, and that they would get jail if they didn’t.
If amnesty is to be granted at all, it should only be to employers that do that, not to the illegals, regardless of how long the illegals have been here, how many kids they’ve got in school, or whatever.
And, I still think the assertion that “we can’t deport all of them” is just lazy wussy talk.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:44 AMUsing
And you’re absolutely right.
The problem is that neither of our ruling parties like that, though for different reasons. The Republicans want cheap slave labor for their donors and the DemCong want another dependent class of unskilled laborers guaranteed to vote DemCong in perpetuity in return for handouts.
It’s quite simple, really: Once more than half of the voters are dependent on the benefits you hand out, you’ll never be voted out of power. That’s how EUrope sank into the morass. After that, all you have is the reset button.
Right again. And not only that, it’s incorrect as well. It’s pure rape of the English language. We can deport 12, 30, even 60 million, that’s not the issue. The issue here is that some people don’t want to. So every time you hear somebody say that “we can’t”, you know you’re talking to a liar.
But, as you point out, we won’t have to. Drain the swamp, remove the incentive and the criminals will deport themselves.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:06 AMUsing
Don’t forget Bitch McConnell. I can’t believe that bastard comes from this state. I already sent one message. There’s a local office near my work, too. I might just have to see if I can make it there tomorrow.
June 13th, 2007 at 1:13 AMUsing
Is there any exception for illegals who started businesses that employ people other than illegals?
June 13th, 2007 at 2:28 AMUsing
Psychochick, it’s been my experience that those that start a buisness are the legal ones. They have a “jeffe” to front the biz, and work illegals so they can pay them cash and sidestep FICA, unemployment, work comp etc. If you are an American doing buisness and paying all the regulatory fees our uncle demands, you cannot compete with those that don’t. When the gov. catches up to these guys (after a couple of years), they simply disolve the buisness name, start another one and gain another couple of years and so on.
June 13th, 2007 at 6:54 AMUsing
Psychochick, stop right there. That word right there - illegal - is where any argument you could possibly make fails, and fails utterly. The very fact that they’re illegal ends the argument - there can be no contention after that. Period, end, stop.
In fact, that’s why the pro-illegal crowd desperately tries to bleat any word other than “illegal”. “Undocumented”, “immigrant”, “guest worker”, you name it. They know, as do we, that the discussion stops at the word “illegal”, so they desperately try to avoid it.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:19 AMUsing
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June 13th, 2007 at 8:14 AMUsing
They show us they’ll do their F’in’ jobs and enforce the laws on the books, then we’ll consider their proposals to “improve” things. Can’t enforce current laws, so graft a few hundred more requirements onto the existing system, increase the number and complexity of aliens, statuses, etc. and that’s going to make the boo-boo all better. Give me a huge MF’in freakin’ break! Write your congresscritters– encourage those who oppose this crap that they have our full support and make sure the rest know where we’ll stand. I like the idea of sending one peso (with a bullet hole through the middle–I think something in .22 caliber would work) as a political contribution, especially if it’s postage paid.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:26 AMUsing
Calling and emailing resumed Misha. Thanks for the heads up, as always. When I called Feinsteins office and said that I have no faith in the government to make good on enforcement provisions after past enforcement provisions have gone unenforced (specifically, 1986) the person cut me off and said, “I’m not going to debate any of this, I need to go.” In other words, Feinstein’s office doesn’t even want to hear from people that have problems with this bill.
They have no interest in why people don’t like it. They have talking points and wont talk about anything else because they know they can’t fool anyone. So they just end the conversation. The worst part is that she will probably get reelected as long as she wants to. No accountability. Sickening.
Hey Misha, I tried to post something in the Fred post but it didn’t come up. What gives?
June 13th, 2007 at 11:23 AMUsing
ARE WE READY FOR ROUND 2 OF THIS STUPID AMNESTY BILL?
June 13th, 2007 at 11:56 AMOUR LORDS AND MASTERS ARE GROUPING FOR A 2ND ASSAULT
AND CALLING U.S. CITIZEN OPPONENTS RACISTS.
ARE WE READY TO PUT THE STAKE TROUGH THE HEART OF THIS BILL?
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June 13th, 2007 at 12:28 PMUsing
I have called Feinstein’s office several times and get hung up on - fuck her with Clinton’s. Senator Boxer just lies about all the trash she supports. The Whitehouse hung up on me. These assholes need to be run out of office.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:33 PMUsing
The obvious fix is for Congress to set aside a 10-foot wide strip of land between the US and Mexico and offer it to Vladimir Putin, along with $10 billion, if he’ll both build the fence and enforce “Russian” border security, with the proviso that he ships any trespassers he catches to Siberian labor camps.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:42 PMUsing
On a related note, Chertoff bleated our favorite “jobs Americans won’t do” line while he was on Boortz this morning. Ugh.
June 13th, 2007 at 12:56 PMUsing
Promises promises.
DO IT. Enforce the laws that exist and then come back to us with your new bills.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:03 PMUsing
CHERTOFF’S LATEST LAME COMMENT:
“BORDERS WONT BE SECURE IF WE DONT PASS THIS BILL”. WELL! I GUESS NOT YOU FUCKING JACKOFF, SINCE YOU AINT DOIN IT NOW WITH THE MONEY WE ALREADY GAVE YOU !
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN , THESE ARE THE KIND OF ASSHOLES RUNNING THE PERMANENT “STRUCTURE ” OF OUR NATION. FUCK THEM, DO NOT EASE UP ! BACK TO THE PHONES AND EMAILS.
June 13th, 2007 at 2:23 PMUsing
Why do you have to insult Lindsay Lohan like that? Even after all the drugs and anonymous sex she’s still relatively hot. Not like she was back in the day, but I’ll always have a soft spot in my heart for the girl because of the Harry Potter skit on SNL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B3ciBXGu0k
June 13th, 2007 at 2:46 PMUsing
Sir George, you are a genius and a master statesman. That’s the plan to push. I’ll be there’s some East German masons who could build a helluva wall and would love to come do the jobs our elected and soon to be former officials won’t do.
June 13th, 2007 at 3:02 PMUsing
Free Faxes to our Reps and Jorge Bush
June 13th, 2007 at 3:13 PMUsing
I had an idea similar to RobertHuntington’s…
June 13th, 2007 at 3:43 PMUsing
Here’s a little something to put that cherry on top of the shamnesty shit sandwich we are being forced fed by congress. From http://minutemanproject.com
American Tax Payers to Fund Racist LA RAZA (the KLAN WITH A TAN)
$5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008 and $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter.
Mr. HINOJOSA (for himself and Mr. RENZI) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Financial Services
A BILL
To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund.
June 13th, 2007 at 4:41 PMUsing
Okay, that “funding La Raza” shit really bugs me, if it’s true.
Here’s a nice thought… what if the U.S government put a bounty on every illegal alien, declared them to be wanted felons, and deputized every U.S. citizen? That would make for a nice Christmas bonus for me as I’m certain I could find a few around my neck of the desert to arrest!
Set up a 1-800 Social Security Number ID check-in to confirm that the papers someone might be carrying could be forged, allowing a citizen the legal right to take someone into custody.
Another interesting idea would be requiring everyone to register their Social Security Number with the post office in order to receive OR SEND mail. It’s already a federal-offense to tamper with the mail. Want to have mail delivered to su casa? You have to register. Period. Then compile a post office database of names, addresses, and SSNs and cross-reference it with the master list of SSNs held by the federal gov’t. If a name on the address list doesn’t make a particular SSN, a red flag goes up. If someone tries to mail something at a post office without an SSN being registered, arrest them on the spot and hold them until THEY can prove they’re in the U.S. legally, or are U. S. citizen through birth or naturalization. Also, place BIG yellow and red warning signs, in English AND Spanish saying, essentially “This service is for U.S. Citizens. All others get the fuck out!”
Ever seen how many money orders are shipped out of the country from a post office? Eliminate one avenue of money transfer and that’ll help.
I have to give up my SSN to get loan financing, a bank account, or any Federally-funded assistance, so why should anyone complain about having to use an SSN to use the Post Office?
And for the love of God, don’t buy Heinz catsup for the Fourth of July barbeque! It’s made in freakin’ Canada!
June 13th, 2007 at 5:36 PMUsing
Well I finally figured out why the President, the Democrats and the Republicans are working so hard on this amnesty thing. I don’t think I’ve shared this with you but if I have just mark it down to dementia.
The immigration/amnesty is but one cog in the wheel. Here’s what’s unfolding. The North American Union and the protocols of that and the SSP were signed a few years ago. That really set the course for our loss of national sovereignty.
The 12-20 million “new” citizen fit in this way. The Democrats will get 80% of their votes and retain Congress and the WH. The 2010 census will trigger the reapportionment of the nation. The Democrats will push through an expansion of the House from 435 members to 535 or 600, whatever. They will benefit immensely from this and it should keep them in power for 100 years. It should also make a republican president impossible to elect. The Senate will likewise be expanded as the states will be redrawn to reflect various “cultural” demographics. Naturally the Supreme Court will be expanded from 9 to 15 or 23, whatever. They’ll be Marxist certified.
The Republicans are going along because for them it’s all about just being a member of an “elite” ruling body and them moving onto corporate boards and beltway careers, continuing to use taxpayer dollars . The Republicans have long since proved they do not have the fire in the belly to lead the nation. They just want the membership and the contracts. It also means cheap labor for their corporations where cheap labor is in short supply.
The President is a committed New World Order guy. In his mind a North American Union of Canada,Mexico, and the USA is as natural as misunderestimation.
Hillary loves it because it provides he with the Canadian model of health care to immediately graft on to and “improve”
If you read the information on the North American Union and the SSP it begins to all make sense. The irony is that this particular bill isn’t even necessary for the achievement of the NAU. However it will facilitate it’s implementation.
Basically we’re screwed, the middle class that is. It will definitely be the haves and the have not’s and you’ll see a redistribution of income happen faster than ever before.
June 13th, 2007 at 7:11 PMUsing
No. No. No. No. No. NO. Dammit
Jesus Wept! They’re like a bunch of kids begging for a fucking cookie.
NO YOU CAN’T HAVE A GODDAMN COOKIE UNTIL YOU DO YOUR CHORES
Their “raid” on the employer today, without penalizing the employer…? NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Arrest the son of a bitch, fine his ass and stick him in the clink. That’s easily comparable to the same kid cleaning his room by shoving all the crap under his bed…then expecting his allowance.
NO COOKIE!
June 13th, 2007 at 7:46 PMUsing
LC Theresa
Here’s another one to chew on:
I keep asking but never hear an answer. As a taxpayer who was just royally screwed by the IRS this bill will allow a three year amnesty for the illegal aliens already here. By allowing the three year amnesty will the illegal aliens be allowed to file tax returns for those three years? If they are allowed to file back taxes for three years most will get an earned income credit probably about $5,000 per family, X3 years, $15,000 per family. I posted this before but screwed up the math a little. The cost to the US taxpayer will be roughly 37.5 billion paid to illegal aliens on taxes they never paid in the first place. I may have to file as an illegal alien to get my money back.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:25 PMUsing
Had another thought. When this thing goes through we should all send in hundreds of application with bogus names and bring the system to a halt from the get-go. Or it will allow millions of us to disappear into the system.
June 13th, 2007 at 8:27 PMUsing
I want to be shown, not told. Jobs Americans won’t do? You mean like construction, painting, gardening and such? The jobs I used to do…now good luck finding a white or black guy on a construction crew out here. I am employed engaged in the commercial and retail sales of coatings and related materials. I saw one white guy come into my store today, of dozens of commercial customers. I fight the language barrier daily……..I hear contractors bitch about illegals underbidding them, so they hire them instead. The whole scenario stinks to high heaven….. The jobs we won’t do? I cannot remember the last time I saw somebody doing what high schoolers used to do, what I used to do…bus tables, pump gas, work fast food or ice cream parlors. Now we have illegals taking those jobs…….
June 13th, 2007 at 8:58 PMUsing
Azygos
Almost all illegal aliens pay taxes, but under fake or other people’s SS number. It comes to about $7 billion a year for SS alone. It is my understanding that they would only be allowed to file returns based on money starting from their own SS number and would not be allowed to file for back taxes.
That was what was proposed before–I don’t know if they changed it when I wasn’t looking.
Sorry you got screwed!!
June 13th, 2007 at 8:58 PMUsing
People
Forget the taxes. In the scheme of what is happening the tax aspect is a speck. We’re talking about a wholesale sellout of the US Constitution and a completely new dumbed down second tier country…headed toward third world status.
The above scenario, if anywhere close, and I believe it is very close is an H bomb on us.
Did any of you bother to look up the North American Union or the SSP and then connect the dots? Doesn’t sound like it.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:17 PMUsing
Ann Coulter is her usual “Take no prisoners and kick em in the balls” self. I think she hit this one out of the park.
Now if we could just tattoo it on Jorge’s forehead….
June 13th, 2007 at 9:25 PMUsing
While in France in 1998 (it’s a long story), I watched a late night movie on television that was about an international squabble over Arctic oil, and the dissolution of the European Union.
The first theme had the USA and Russia engaged in a war of words over drilling rights, while their respective armed forces were put on alert. (This was all in French but I understand enough to get by)
What struck me then, and especially now, is that when the President of the United States made a public address about the rising conflict, he spoke in Spanish (with French subtitles), not English.
The second theme in the movie was that a charismatic leader had come to power in North Africa, and he led a huge flotilla of people across the Mediterranean, in every kind of floating device. They came in waves of thousands.
On the beach were EU soldiers (in their powder blue helmets), who fired some warning shots. When the soldiers called for orders none came, so they started to panic and beat a hasty retreat. (no…I’m not making this stuff up)
The invaders ran chanting through the streets and towns unopposed, - and that was it. I’m not sure how the oil thing turned out because I fell asleep shortly thereafter.
I’m not bright enough to ascribe some deep meaning to it, especially the possible intention or insight of the movie maker. It might be just another socialist wet dream. But I remember well the eerie feeling on watching the portrayal of a Spanish speaking President broadcast live from the Oval Office, and it was the first time I started thinking about how it could be possible.
Now it’s actually happening?
Anyway, I don’t think you’ll be fooled like those of us in the Great White North. This whole mess is all about votes, ideology, money (taxpayer of course, please and thank-you), and above all - getting and staying in power. The rest is fluff or whatever you choose to call it.
On a final note - the preservation of freedom and the welfare of humanity be damned, the socialist parasites in your midst have only one thing in mind, and it is ME, ME, ME…ad infinitum. And as you are discovering, once infested they are harder than cockroaches to root out.
All the best with it and stay safe all.
June 13th, 2007 at 9:40 PMUsing
Fred! has also said he’d pardon the two convicted border patrol agents if elected. THAT is enough to earn the man my vote!
I’m a bit scared that yesterday, it was leaked that there’s a Graham-Martinez amendment which is supposed to “fix” all of the enforcement problems with this piece of shit (I figured out what the “S” stands for in “S. 1348″) legislation. Today, silence. I used to think silence was golden but in this case, I’m not so sure. What are they doing, and when, specifically, did they do it?
Can someone go before a right-leaning judge and successfully argue that what is in fact occuring is illegal because they’re attempting to circumvent the bill committee process? Fred, are you reading this? Ain’t you a big guv’mint lawyer and know all them fancy-schmantzy words? It appears to me that Bush & Co. and the Kennedy Klan are up to no damn good at all. Can we charge the Senate with treason against the U.S. and the Constitution? Please, someone tell me we’ve got SOME options in this!
Also, if, as some have indicated, Senate and White House operators are actually HANGING UP on folks, what guarantees do we have that the faxes are being received or that emails are being read? Are staffers artificially skewing the daily tallies that the Senators must be reviewing?
Do we need to stage one REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY BIG ANTI-AMNESTY PRO-ENFORCEMENT PROTEST in Washington D.C. before the message sinks in? How many people would it take to seriously shock the government into listening? One million? Two? Can we put that many bodies in Washington D.C. on one day carrying signs to the gate of the White House (I’d say “door” but obviously, there’s no way in Hell that the Secret Service will allow a crowd anywhere near the actual front door!). Would it be possible to put enough people into D.C. to effectively “close down the Government” for a day through a peaceful demonstration?
June 13th, 2007 at 9:50 PMUsing
I guess Mel didn’t take my E-mail very seriously. Imagine that…a politician not listening to one of his constituents.
June 13th, 2007 at 10:03 PMUsing
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June 13th, 2007 at 10:22 PMthanks–you might sway me
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Day laborers are paid in cash. Are they paying taxes? I’d hazard a guess that 50% of the ILLEGAL aliens are paid under the table, and are avoiding taxes completely. The other half may be committing SSN fraud, which means they’re NOT paying taxes which can be properly credited to legal U.S. resident.
I worked at a small dealership here in Southern California for nearly 10 years. I couldn’t count the number of unfinanceable customers we had. They still buy cars, using the credit of legal relatives, green-card holding relatives, or simply for cash, if the car is CHEAP enough. Have a kid here, and again, they can apply for welfare services for the child if they don’t make enough. Have two or three children (or more often four or five), and they stop working altogether, because it pays better to have babies and receive aid from the government than to hold a job cleaning hotel rooms or working in a field.
The “back taxes” issue is why one Senator (I forget who right now) introduced an amendment to BLOCK them from receiving “earned income credit” for three years. With the ultra-low income MOST illegal aliens are earning, they would ALL qualify for ALL of their taxes back. Not only would we have to stomach the indignity of being forced to accept them as “legal residents”, we’d be forced to, in essence, help pay their way!
This bill is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO freakin’ bad on sooooooooooooo many different levels it’s almost as if every hair-brained liberal idea possible was unleashed at once. Again, is it possible that the Republicans are ALLOWING the Dems to run with this before, at some point in the future, declaring it’s “just not possible to pass this bill”, and yanking the rug out from underneath the Kennedy Klan? I just HAVE to believe that someone in the GOP KNOWS that the Dems will be squalling and bawling like whiny children if their “dream bill” cannot be passed, and perhaps it is THIS RESULT they’re aiming to produce, just in time for the run-up to the 2008 elections? If they are working this angle, then they’re more than just a few steps ahead of the Dems. That would be LIGHTYEARS ahead!
Get to the phones, get to the faxes, send emails. Do whatever we can to keep this issue on the front burner. Make it too hot for any Senator to even consider voting for it! Oh, and start in on your House Representatives too!
June 13th, 2007 at 10:28 PMUsing
Oh I wish the retardicans were that smart, photomunkey… but they’re not. This bill is a choice between immediately destroying our nation and continuing to limp along hoping somebody can save it before it finally dies of apathy and asphyxiation.
As for MoMinuteMan’s idea, I kinda like it. I’m not sure if I want the government actually employing people like that though, but it would be a good stopgap project. If that’s the “get them used to working again” project that’s the waystation on the road to eliminating the entire pile of sewage — and IF that elimination actually DOES occur after the canal or canals is/are dug — then I would support it. But the system has GOT to go eventually. I don’t have a problem with helping make sure people don’t starve, though I don’t consider food stamps the best way to do it eliminating it before the current baby machine caste is reintroduced to the concept of working would be a bit too disruptive all at once. Eventually it should go as well, and only TEMPORARY unemployment and SocSec disability should be left. But I’d let it stick around a bit longer than malfare.
Oh and I got a serious RCB moment earlier today. Some brainless twit who writes for the treason times was attempting to explain that the 65-70% of America that doesn’t support this bill is merely “uneducated” and thus too STUPID to realize that they are “killing the best compromise they are going to get.” I really wanted to fisk the bastard’s oily screed but I couldn’t find an online version. OK, so we’re not racists we’re just idiots? That’s the pot calling the salt shaker black.
Last but not least, Mrs. M, I have to say, is she ever not? Seriously, anybody who doesn’t love Ann and at least agree with at LEAST 51% of what she writes has something seriously wrong with them. And anybody with an IQ greater than 20 should be in the 80+% range.
RH
June 13th, 2007 at 11:12 PMUsing
One BIG RALLY.. hell I think we should pick the 4th of July and every American shoulder a long gun while they watch the town parade.
Better yet get in the town parade..every town and village ..a man with a shouldered weapon (no ammo)…you think if we could turn out five or six million people around the country in that manner the politicians wouldn’t notice…
It’s totally legal to bear arms…it’s called the 2nd amendment and what better day than the 4th of July…maybe we could get 20 million who knows…I do remember the 1960’s when the Black POanthers carried loaded guns and stood on the steps of City Hall in Oakland … cops had to let them ..2nd amendment..let’s get on it pass the word…and when the TV crew says what’s the message just say you’re exersizing your 2nd amendment rights, just like you do freedom of the press and religion.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:15 PMUsing
All valid points and examples of whats wrong with the immigration policies..(those that were on topic anyway)
The fact is …the US Govt has decided to ignore the will of the people….they are just an immigration bill away of not needing US citizens at all!
So here\’s the Amnesty Supporters next try to destroy the USA
From: Steve Elliott [alert@grassfire.net]
Date: 06/13/2007 21:25
Subject: \”Amendments for Amnesty\” deal being struck in Senate
Grassfire.org Alliance
Bush-Kennedy Amnesty Bill Update
To: Todd
**Back-room \”Amendments For Amnesty\” plan
underway (Details and TWO calls to action below)
Todd,
I was just informed that the back-room plan is currently underway
to bring Bush-Kennedy back and get it quickly passed through the
Senate. I call it \”amendments for amnesty.\”
Here\’s what\’s happening.
President Bush and the Amnesty Republicans are attempting to
convince about a dozen Republicans to support \”cloture\” on
Bush-Kennedy in exchange for a commitment that a set list
of amendments will be considered — thus, \”amendments for amnesty.\”
Also, Bush and the amnesty leaders are strong-arming conservatives
into accepting the \”amendments for amnesty\” deal or face being
banished into Senate oblivion.
Amnesty Republicans have already submitted their list of amendments
to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Once the \”amendments for
amnesty\” deal is finalized between Reid and the Republicans,
the bill will be quickly brought back to the floor. The amendments
will be defeated and amnesty passed.
+ + We can stop \”Amendments For Amnesty\”!
Todd, this is the FOURTH TIME our leaders have gone
behind closed doors to work out some secret scheme to get this
bill passed. Despite unprecedented and overwhelming grassroots
opposition, they think they can still pull off their legislative,
slight-of-hand trickery!
+ + Call to Action #1 — Call these Senators and say you oppose
this \”Amendments for Amnesty\” deal
Sen. Cornyn 202/224-2934
Sen. Hutchison (202) 224-5922
Key Senators to call:
McConnell 202/224-2541
Lott 202/224-6253
Kyl 202/224-4521
Brownback 202/224-6521
Burr 202/224-3154
Chambliss 202/224-3521
Cornyn 202/224-2934
Hutchison 202/224-5922
Isakson 202/224-3643
Warner 202/224-2023
Webb 202/224-4024
Talking Points (Your calls will carry more weight if you are
polite and respectful!):
1. I understand that Senate leaders are working on a back-room deal
that will bring the Amnesty bill back for a vote in exchange
for consideration on certain amendments.
2. I oppose this \”Amendments for Amnesty\” deal.
3. If you support this deal, then you will forever be listed as
a supporter of amnesty.
4. The American people have spoken in opposition to this amnesty
bill. I urge you to oppose this deal and the bill.
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Thanx for your attention…. from a MinuteMan living on the border
June 13th, 2007 at 11:30 PMUsing
Thank you….
BTW…I really get very insulted when the “racist” pejorative is tossed indiscriminately.
June 13th, 2007 at 11:42 PMI do not like to have to even think I need to explain the difference between cultural biases and racial biases…BUT…. First time ever I saw Tiger Woods I did not see a “black guy”, I saw an American kid who was a pretty good golfer…in my America…race just doesn’t matter if you are an American first. Can’t say I had the same feelings about any rapper I saw… no , instead I see a class of people who will never embrace what has made America great.
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I’m not worried about the 2nd Amendment at the moment. A SIGN clearly showing your intent to FIRE any amnesty-supporting politician AS SOON AS IS POLITICALLY POSSIBLE will do twice the mental damage that a gun would.
Also, we couldn’t do it all around the country… it would be FAR too easy for the MSM to completely white-wash the protest. How many people would it take to physically cover the entire (easily-accessed) U.S.-Mexico border? Could we get enough people to cover that border 2 or 3 people deep?
I seem to recall someone once stating “United We Stand…”, and I think that would be an EXCELLENT choice for a name of a NEW political party… the “Unitarian” party. “Independent” sounds to exclusive. I certainly think it’s time to stand up and shout out loud for a “three party rule” system again. It’s been done in the past, and clearly needs to be done again. The Republican party today is not the one my parents or grandparents voted for many years ago. The Democratic party today is one wild, out-of-control, free-wheeling hippie machine. When will those in “the establishment” wake up and realize that they’ve pissed away their own ability to remain in power?
Are there enough people online to form a new political party? Will people one hundred years from now speak in hushed reverent tones about “Thompsonian ideals” in the same way we speak of “Jeffersonian principles” today? Is there someone out there with enough “presence” and “charisma to actually LEAD a new party to victory?
I can’t stand the thought that we could all support Fred! and yet, through back-room dealing, he might not win the Republican nomination. I CAN easily see the GOP RINOs helping to carve out someone from the crowd of candidates who they could control. A “compromise candidate” who would do little else other than serve as a punching bag for whatever candidate the Dems throw our way.
Is anyone on Rottie’s World interested in seeing about becoming a new “Founding Father” like I am?
June 13th, 2007 at 11:57 PMUsing
photomunkey
June 14th, 2007 at 12:21 AMDo you know that Unitarians are members of a very liberal pseudo-Christian religion?
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Well, I didn’t say it would be a GOOD name. We could always go back to “Federalist”, but 95% of the people living today would have NO CLUE what being a “federalist” would mean. Heck, even I don’t know what means!
I’m just almost on the verge of sickness, worrying about this Shamnesty crap!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:49 AMUsing
In contemporary usage, federalists advocate the principle of allowing greater regional autonomy within the United States — usually by allowing individual states to set their own agendas and determine the handling of issues, rather than trying to impose a nationally uniform solution. Usually federalism is proposed as a solution to issues that may have strong support in some parts of the country and strong opposition in other parts, for example: restrictions on abortion, gay marriage, euthanasia, medicinal use of cannabis, gun rights and restrictions on property rights.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:59 AMIn other words, if it’s not given to the Federal Government in the Constitution, it belongs to the States. If the Founding Fathers were to re-appear today….they would wonder why the hell we’ve let the Government get so out of control and they would most certainly advocate revolution, with extreme prejudice. The first Revolutionary War was fought over far less restrictions that what we are facing on a daily basis now.
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Like Howard Beale in the movie “Network” we need to go to the windows ,open them and yell I’m tired as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”
A sign better than millions in the streets with guns?
That’s not a serious statement. I leaves one almost speechless in it’s ignorance.
BUT WHAT each of you can do is go to youtube.com and type in North american Union and then watch the pieces…you’ll soon see how free you WON’T be in about three more years….then call your congressman and ask him/her about it.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:12 AMUsing
why doesn’t anybody on this site know shit about the North American Union?
June 14th, 2007 at 1:14 AMUsing
photomunkey
“I’m not worried about the 2nd Amendment at the moment. A SIGN clearly showing your intent to FIRE any amnesty-supporting politician AS SOON AS IS POLITICALLY POSSIBLE will do twice the mental damage that a gun would.”
you gotta be shitt’in me.
yeah that would scare the hell outta me, all that poster board and paint …..but when was the last time 20 million americans showed up on the 4th of july with their guns? musta been in the 1880’s at least..
But you must be right cause we do live in a kinder gentler nation and we wouldn’t want to send the wrong message….maybe afterwards we could toilet paper city hall ina daring act of rebellion….
June 14th, 2007 at 1:20 AMUsing
photomunkey…
exactly would be a good time to worry about the 2nd amendment? when they knock on the door and demand your rifle?
When they pass a law that says all private arms must be locked up in federal armories?
Tell me what signs to look for, ok. I thought I saw a good many of them when they passed the Brady Bill but I could be wrong….so fill me in on the 411.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:23 AMUsing
This just in from the AP:
Aren’t block quotes fun? :^)
June 14th, 2007 at 1:25 AMUsing
you’re not an ATF agent are you?
June 14th, 2007 at 1:25 AMUsing
What Shamnesty ‘07 would do is effectively disenfranchise all CONSERVATIVE voters, because, as we all know, the Dems will fight tooth-and-nail to grant these newly-legalized “immigrants” the right to vote. That would give the Dems a sure lock on control of Congress and the White House, and as some have suggested, allow them to redraw districts to further benefit their hold on the country.
Oh they’ll come for the guns, alright, but not until they have the “votes” needed to make it look legal and tidy. THAT THERE is what we must fear right now. With a gun you can defend your person and property… I’m talking about defending OUR NATION. We need a much larger metaphysical “gun” to do that. We need a BIG SHOW… a big SIGN, like a message from God, or from Thomas Jefferson himself which says “Fucketh not with the Constitution, or the rights of the great American People or they will voteth your mangy asses right offeth the island!”
June 14th, 2007 at 1:37 AMUsing
Look. March armed if you want, and the MSM will paint you as a “crack-pot right-wing hyper-racist lunatic”. They’ll use one photo of a crowd banishing weapons and screaming at one slightly brown-colored kid (a girl preferrably) holding a pro-amnesty sign and use it like a giant brush to paint the entire “enforce the borders crowd” as rabid, uneducated bigots. All those guns wouldn’t matter one iota in public opinion…
On the other hand, if you could organize, and put, say 1.5 MILLION AMERICAN CITIZENS in Washington D.C. for just ONE DAY of protests, surrounding the White House and Congress with a crowd SO LARGE that the police departments and Secret Service would actually FEAR blocking the march, THEN you can make a point TO THE REST OF THE NATION. It isn’t JUST Congress we need to change. If we currently have 65% of Conservatives who feel tighter border security and the enforcement of laws is right, we need to get to 90%. We need to reach out to Dems at Daily Kos and DU and convince them that their precious UNIONS will dissolve when corporations have the ability to hire skilled workers at will from outside the country. The Unions will be bankrupt because CHEAP IMMIGRANT LABOR will FORCE tax-paying and dues-paying Democrats from their jobs. If 41% of Dems think this is a bad bill, we MUST strive for 75-80%. I know the average Democrat sees all things through rose-colored glasses, but ask them how they feel about paying for 20 million MORE people collecting federal benefits. Your benefits, my benefits; the stuff that comes from our tax dollars. Tell them they can’t have nationalized health care if they have to pay for all of these newly-legalized “immigrants”.
No, just carrying guns will only reinforce the “uneducated racist” image that the MSM is studiously trying to create of “Enforcement First” proponents. It does send a message of fear, but beware the knee-jerk reaction of Congress DEMANDING that we surrender our guns afterward “for the betterment of our peace-loving society and in the interest of security for our all of our citizens”. If you show them the guns, they WILL try to take them, guaranteed. Remember, they’re acting JUST LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN right now…
June 14th, 2007 at 1:59 AMUsing
Lame, totally lame. When you emerge from the woods things will clear up for you. Best of luck.
Note to self: Not too many bright ones on this site.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:02 AMUsing
Note to Habu:
Be careful who you accuse of not being bright because one person doesn’t agree with you. There are some exceptionally bright lights on this site, and you may or may not have registered who they are or what they believe.
You agree, you disagree, you may get personal or hyperbolic. Fine, that’s par for the course here. But you just insulted all of us because you didn’t find agreement from one of us- and no offence to photomunky, but he’s not been around here for so long either- though he seems to understand how things work a little better.
What you have made abundantly clear is that you are an unobservant, disrespectful noob. Read the Warspite in memoriam and come back saying there are no bright Rotts.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:25 AMUsing
photomunkey
You know, there are lots of Democrats that like to shoot, too. I wouldn’t at all assume that having Democrats in power means loss of guns. And even if they wanted to, how would you disarm the US? People would fight back. It really doesn’t seem feasible to me (or desirable).
I don’t know if the massive march with unloaded guns would necessarily be in your favor. It would demonstrate might. My concern is that seeing such a high volume of weapons in one place might scare people and make them afraid of people with guns. (I guess that’s kind of the point with the politicians, but you might scare other citizens into favoring more gun control)
Just a thought from an observer–not saying it shouldn’t be done. It’s not my call–just bringing up a concern
June 14th, 2007 at 3:27 AMUsing
photomuney again
June 14th, 2007 at 4:09 AMsorry–you made the image point already. I missed your post, because I take so long composing mine.
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>Not too many bright ones on this site.
Well, we ain’t much fer fancee book lernin. Maybe yoo cun sayv us frum ar ignruns.
June 14th, 2007 at 5:38 AMUsing
ok so those who posted are in general agreement that the 2nd amendment should not be taken out from behing the bedroom door …because it night scare people into thinking we had guns in the country.
We seem to have to problem with the other freedoms being on display…just don’t display this one…yeah… and you’ll never get 1.5 million people surrounding the WH…but if you add up all the towns and cities that hold 4th of July parades you might easily get several millions to turn out with long guns as a show of their defense of the Constitution.
Several municipalities around the country have passed laws REQUIRING gun ownership…so whats the problem with carrying them on the 4th as those who fought the Revolution did for us? I guarantee they didn’t win that war carrying multi-hued signs begging the government to protect us,,,,that’s our reponsibility
June 14th, 2007 at 7:25 AMUsing
Just bone up on the North American Union and the Security Proserity and protection protocols and ask youreself if we’ll even be able to own guns in three years.
These are dangerous issuues, under tha radar and negotiated without input from our representatives. Hell we fought the Revolutionary War over that very issue ..no taxation without representation…well these protocols have been in place for several years, the committees are moving toward merging Canada, Mexico and the USA and we the people by and large know NOTHING, NOTHING about what is already agreed to.
The immigration bill is a head fake or at best softening up the beachhead prior to the real invasion.
Educate youself,call you Congressssman and Senator and ask for written copies of the protocols….good luck getting them…
The North American Union meeeting was held by the Bildeberger Secret Organization..Wiki it and get an eyeful of what’s coming down…..and then never say you weren’t warned when they come for your guns.
June 14th, 2007 at 7:38 AMUsing
Bideberger Group..
Wiki…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group
June 14th, 2007 at 7:42 AMUsing
Slowly, by taking tiny pieces at a time, and allowing the public time to forget about the last step, so that the next isn’t so unreasonable, until they have taken everything down to your kitchen knives - “Ma’am, do you really need a six-inch blade to cut that steak?”
Habu: like it or not, the media WILL paint gun-totin’ protesters as crazy right-wing militant psychos. All the constitutionality in the universe won’t chance the fact that they can (and will) write you off as a wacko and offer more protection to your enemies from you.
June 14th, 2007 at 7:48 AMUsing
OTTAWA, CANADA—As Bilderberg gathers at the posh Brook Street Resort, there was concern that Latin America will use oil as a weapon to block expansion of NAFTA throughout the Western Hemisphere and whether Bush could be talked out of an all-out invasion of Iran.
Bilderberg is concerned that leftist governments in Latin America, led by Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, will use manipulation of oil supplies and prices to form an economic union that would include Brazil, Cuba, Peru and Mexico.
Such a union, by refusing to join NAFTA, would wreck Bilderberg’s long-standing goal of expanding NAFTA throughout the Western Hemisphere and evolving it into an “American Union” patterned after the European Union. The dollar would become the common currency of the American Union.
Reaction to Chavez’s earlier announcement that he would exact new taxes on companies that extract oil from his country was angry This directly affects Bilderberg, which has its own oil bloc, including Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and the Rothschild companies of Britain and Europe. Companies affected include Exxon Mobil Corp., Chevron Corp, Conoco-Phillips, Total, BP PLC and Norway’s Statoil ASA. Chavez also irritated the striped-britches boys by offering oil at low prices to impoverished locations in the United States and Britain. His domestic oil is subsidized—Venezuelans pay 12 cents a gallon.
There is a feeling expressed among Bilderberg luminaries that Chavez is having fun with them. They are not known for humor.
But Bilderberg says its “policies” are turning the Chavez threat around. Chavez hosted the OPEC meeting in Caracas but his proposal for a cut in oil production to boost prices was rejected. OPEC has maintained its official output ceiling at 28 million barrels a day since July 2005.
It has been reported that Mexico’s Felipe Calderon of the America-friendly National Action Party now leads in the polls over the populist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador in the July 2 presidential election. Although he is from the same party as President Vicente Fox, Calderon has cast himself as a rival who advocates improving Mexico’s economy so there would be no incentive to illegally enter the United States.
In Peru, Ollanta Humala, who is friendly with Chavez, lost to former president Alan Garcia. While Bilderberg has celebrated America’s “little wars,” there has been opposition by the European wing to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan from the outset. With NATO taking on a larger role in Afghanistan, the controversy has calmed a bit.
But European Bilderbergers fear a United States attack on Iran, which would have a tremendous global impact.
The meeting is set to begin on Friday, June 9. AFP will be there covering the event over the course of the weekend. The Bilderberg group takes it name from the hotel in Holland where the group met in 1954, during the earliest period of its inception. Bilderbergers meet regularly, presumably on a once-a-year basis, at various locations around the world, always in extreme secrecy, often at resorts controlled by either the Rockefeller or Rothschild families. The Rothschild family is the leading European force within the Bilderberg group, sharing its power with the American-based Rockefeller empire.
Bilderberg maintains an extremely low profile and seldom, if ever, publishes reports or studies for the public, at least, under its own official aegis. Participants denied the group’s very existence for decades until it was forced into the open by the glare of media publicity, generated largely by the now defunct Spotlight newspaper. It follows so-called “Chatham House rules,” whereby attendees are forbidden to speak on the record about topics of discussion during the gathering.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/afp_cracks_secret_meeting.html
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June 14th, 2007 at 7:52 AMUsing
Tom, I appreciate your concern that the MSM, 98% liberal would paint gun toting Americans on the 4th of July as zealots, however when one considers that the MSM is yesterdays news and it’s the blogshere that counts it’s a different matter..Swiftboat Veterans didn’t come from the MSM and they sunk John Kerry. Not only that but the public regards the MSM down in the arena with child molesters ..their popularity and crdibility is in the 20% area.
Not only that but why oh why should we care what the MSM says if our reponse is we’re just exersizing our 2nd amendment rights and leave it at that ..they would be forced to imply that the Bill of Rights was fundamentally flawed in having a 2nd amendment…one that Jefferson said guaranteed all the rest ..which we intuitively know is true.
Am I a zealot because I practice the relgion of my chosing, or write letters to the editor?
Just to remid our readers here are YOUR RIGHTS,YOUR RIGHTS not to be tampered with:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
June 14th, 2007 at 8:11 AMThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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Habu, when you make smart assed comments like the one above, you can just about guarantee that you will not be taken seriously. You seem to think that we have our heads in the sand and are in need of enlightenment, when all you are doing is preaching to the choir. We are ALL very well versed in our Constitutional Amendments. We are also all very aware of the North American Union. You’re starting to get annoying with your televangelist attitude.
You seem to have the impression that we wouldn’t know a Constitutional Amendment from a McDonald’s Happy Meal. There are far more knowledgeable folks on this site than you realize. If you want to be taken seriously…leave the arrogance at the door.
Also…if you are looking for everyone to agree with you, then this is the wrong place to be ranting. We pride ourselves in our ability to agree to disagree on just about any subject. Demands that we all agree with any particular viewpoint will guarantee a pile on post haste whether we agree with you or not.
June 14th, 2007 at 8:36 AMUsing
LC Mrs. M-ITT™
You seem to have confused arrogance with self confidence.
But what if you have? Does an arrogant poster who happens to be factually correct offend you? Not PC enough?
As it so happens the depth of understanding on the NAU and SPP is very thin in hoi polloi land.
If you do not like my style, move on to the posts that you know are always friendly and non threatening to you routine.
Your puling not that I am off putting by my manner is amusing.
All the best
June 14th, 2007 at 9:17 AMHabu
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Sorry that I failed to point out what a delicate site this must be…why if one were to just look at the topic preceeding this one it begins with the word “FUCK” …and yet somehow you are offended by my offerings? Hmmm
June 14th, 2007 at 9:21 AMUsing
OK, now even Lou Dobbs is receiving death threats for being against the Reconquista of the Mexicanos. It’s a bad day when Lou Dobbs, sometimes a liberal, is getting threats from the far left. Well Rotties, expect a Fat-juan against us, in keeeping with the fine Democratic traditions of Mexico…..
Someone needs to read Dale Carnegie. Not a good way to get folks to listen. Oddly enough, we have libs and moderates here who can be reasonable, and open to debate. But, yes we have liberal sockpuppets and trolls that need thrashing. Save your rage for them, Habib, or Habu or whatever your name is. It’s not good to irk the other citizens here. Not a threat, just fact. Do unto others as you want them to do unto you.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:36 AMUsing
Here’s the MSM skewing Dobbs for daring to report on new strains of TB, leprosy and the plague….
All previews of the wonderful healthcare system Mexico has to offer. Look at LA, it’s already taking over there.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:38 AMUsing
Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck what you think offends me. You have the right to voice your opinion, and there’s not one here who would dispute that, but to imply that we’re a bunch of noobs with our head up our asses because we’re not falling at your damn feet with gratitude for your coming into our unworthy midst is fucking arrogant, and personally I don’t give a shit about how self-confident or “factual” you are. If you can’t take people not falling in line behind you or disagreeing with your viewpoint without getting your thong wadded up your ass then you better get ready for more of the same.
By all means offer up your opinion. Just stop blabbering about how we’re not accepting or responding to you like you’re Moses coming down with the Ten Commandments.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:48 AMUsing
Boy oh boy ..Note To Self hit a lot of nerves on a site that would seem to fit in at Parris Island. I mean how many expletives are used on this site? More, many more than the average. A sign of intelligent discourse? Yeah, if you’re on death row.
Save the homilies folks on the purities of intercourse on this site. It’s well known for it’s dockworker’s argot and pugnacious demeanor. Now all the daisy’s are in bloom over “A Note To Self”
Move on to the message..when our host adopts Dale Carneige I’ll take a look at changing. Meanwhile continue to be his minions, don’t take exception to his invectives or “fucks” or “shitheads”, instead focus on Habu who calls it like he reads it.
June 14th, 2007 at 9:54 AMUsing
I don’t think you’re here to offer any real solutions or even commune. I think you’re a pious holier than thou type and you seem to enjoy riling others. Some of those you’re riling have been here way longer than any of us, so let’s not lash at them.
Our host? I don’t think our host is the subject here, it’s you, sir.
And before I get sucked into troll hell, unlike some posters that rhyme with Abu, I have work to do.
Let’s try and get back on topic, please.
On that note, someone of the MSM said that the Mexicans have gun control laws. Yeah, they control guns from the law abiding citizens and non-crooked cops and get them into to the hands of the drug cartels, corrupt federales, policia, and infanteria…..
Adios, fellow Mexicanos, oops, Americans. Just rehearsing the new greeting since we’re being sold out bad. Hope Jorge, Lugosi and McCain enjoy their 30 pieces of silver…..
June 14th, 2007 at 9:58 AMUsing
I doubt anyone is particularly offended by your remarks. The pendantic, repetitious ranting is growing rather tiresome, however. Stop being a jerk and involve yourself in some civil discourse.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:04 AMUsing
comment #74 by LC Mrs. M-ITT™ rather proves my point about the IQ of some on this site. Perhaps it is the flys coming through the screen door on their singlewide that has them in such as foul state. I certainly didn’t teach them the words they used to ATTEMPT to communicate..talk about not wanting to listen to someone ..a day with that couple at the flea market would drive me insane .. but we do need diversity,even perverse. I do think the poster(s) disqualified himself(themselves) from being a greeter at WAL-MART.
Question is why haven’t you folks just moved on to your daily routine? I’ll just fill in here and there…no need to make me the topic although I am flattered so many care.
Let’s see if I can pull their chain a wee bit harder.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:26 AMUsing
MIGHTY HABU HAS POWERFUL JUJU
June 14th, 2007 at 10:30 AMUsing
LC…what’s “bunch of noobs”?
June 14th, 2007 at 10:33 AMUsing
poke around this hornets nest…
suggested targets:
Tehran
Damascus
Euro Disney
Islam
NOTE TO SELF: No more notes to self it scares the children.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:38 AMUsing
Methinks the “MIGHTY HABU” is smoking some powerful crack.
Habu, “LC” stands for “Lance Corporal”, and is a designation applied by the Emperor, at his whim, to junior posters. “Noob” is a phonetic spelling for “newbie”; i.e. the kind of person who pops onto a website, doesn’t understand any of the terms the locals use, and posts a bunch of off-topic useless nonsense. I should have thought that term would be self-evident to you, but given the level of intelligence you’ve thus far displayed, roughly the equivalent gray matter of a slightly-damp sponge, obviously understanding the term “noob” is a bit of a stretch for you.
Seek greener pastures elsewhere, Habu, for I can see a colossal amount of vindictive whup-ass being hurled in your specific direction in the very near future! The Force is not very strong with you…
June 14th, 2007 at 10:46 AMUsing
Didn’t you mean “30 Pesos”? That ought to be enough to allow El Presidente Grande Jorge Arbusto to retire in comfort, in Albania.
June 14th, 2007 at 10:49 AMUsing
photomunkey - I was just going to laugh in his general direction about the whole “what’s “bunch of noobs”?” thing. He’s so smart and knowledgeable, surely you don’t need to educate him, right?
June 14th, 2007 at 10:53 AMUsing
Note to self: Check the blade on the Axxess Axe™.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:01 AMUsing
monkeyguy,
Thanks for the undate on noobs..i thought it was boobs..i mean the letters on the keyboard are close together.
now about the whup ass..you will of course believe what you want and this is the internet so anybody can be or say anything but whup ass isn\’t one of my worries.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:13 AMI\’m a powerlifter at 6\’2\” and even at 59 I can do 10 reps with 315 lbs.on the bench. I am a former US Marine as was my father and brother in law..we boxed for fun..I was in the CIA for 10 years after one year in the Corps. Was in Cambodia,Vietnam,Laos,Peru,Rhodesia,Angola and a few other hot spots during the 70\’s Worked for the Office of Special Projects under the Directorate of Science and Technology .. we primarily ran the u-2 and SR-71 programs and other national technical means…thus the HABU ..Okinawan for the SR-71.
I live in Florida and Montana and retired from a Wall Street Brokerage House..no debts and a million in cash in the bank ..if I didn\’t have a penny I wouldn\’t fear a whup ass, never have,wasn\’t raised by a tough Marine bird Colonel aviator to be a pussy…whup ass you must have meant metaphorically anyway since it is against the law on the internet to threaten someone …. but if you see a 285lb powerlifter on the street in a USMC shirt and want to talk..fine with me.
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Oooooo, I sense a disturbance in the Force… banishment from the kingdom might be too good a fate for that serf. I suggest sentencing him to proofreading Arbusto’s upcoming pro-Zhamnesty speeches.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:18 AMUsing
Well my work here is done. I got you all off topic and riased the site meter..I’ll be back from time to time to poke a stick in the self satisfied choir.
Hi-Ho Habu Away
(who was that arrogant SOB?)
June 14th, 2007 at 11:20 AMThis was a test, do not adjust your habits or vocabulary. Thx
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Habu, go and search this site for examples of the Emperor’s “whup ass” I was referring to specifically. He doesn’t suffer fools lightly…
And if your spelling and punctuation is any indication of your intelligence, heaven help the CIA! Did the brokerage house give you a million dollars just to encourage you to leave or did your mighty pecs scare it out of them?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:25 AMUsing
It’s also Okinawan for a forked tongued, slithering reptile….
June 14th, 2007 at 11:29 AMUsing
Based on that statement, I’m fairly certain I can bench press your IQ…
June 14th, 2007 at 11:30 AMUsing
Listen, serf, you’re more than welcome to disagree as much as you like. Heck, if somebody says something you disagree with you can even roll out all the invective that you can dig up, I don’t care. As a matter of fact, should you, much to my surprise, come up with something more foul than anything I already know I might even thank you for expanding my vocabulary, so cut out the “hypersensitive” shtick, ‘coz it ain’t working.
So far, however, I fail to see anybody disagreeing pointedly with you on any specifics prior to you throwing out a blanket “all y’all are dumbasses” statement so hey, you brung it. If you can’t handle that, you should’ve probably stayed on the porch with the other chihuahuas.
That’s for me to decide, pal.
See? I can be quite pleasant. For a while…
June 14th, 2007 at 11:32 AMUsing
why on earth would someone bother to use correct punctuation or spelling on this site? it would be a waste of time.
Emperor’s “whup ass” I was referring to specifically. He doesn’t suffer fools lightly…
Golly, now I’m really worried. I mean “The Emperor” has special whup ass powers? I tremble at his approach through my monitor should I COOSE TO RETURN.
Although I suppose he has a petcock he can turn to shut me out…oh no not the priar patch!
Anyway I have a feeling “The Emperor” will get a kick out of this entire episode and not be offended but amused as he watchges the site meter rise. If he’s not amused …gee too bad. “The Great Habu”
June 14th, 2007 at 11:42 AMUsing
I’m so terribly underwhelmed.
I certainly would…and I will be more than happy to introduce you to him should you by chance be in the vicinity.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:50 AMUsing
I knew the Build-a-Bear group was coming out after the first comment by Habu al Zarqawi. You’re a fucking moron. Prepare to get stomped if you keep dropping your stupidity turds on the carpet here.
June 14th, 2007 at 11:52 AMUsing
It must suck knowing that the world is controlled by Joooooooz. Doesn’t it habu musaab al zarqawi?
June 14th, 2007 at 11:57 AMUsing
Empress Michelle,
“so cut out the “hypersensitive” shtick, ‘coz it ain’t working.”
“If you can’t handle that, you should’ve probably stayed on the porch with the other chihuahuas”
Empress Michelle..mighty chest thumping. I love chihuahuas, roasted or deep fried..naw I’m leaving cause I can’t learn anything from this crew other than they can be SUCKERED by a 15 year old middle schooler…gulp..hook, line and, sinker..yep a troll.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:00 PMUsing
Oh, oh… Wait… Ask the troll about how the banking system is all just a scam to make the Joooooz rich with all the money that doesn’t actually exist.
Go ahead, ask.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:01 PMUsing
Today’s lesson: in addition to an obvious lack of manners being taught in schools, we find a PERFECT example of WHY English should be enforced as the national language. Also why stricter tests should be instituted immediately, along with mandatory exit exams for elementary school, middle school, and high school. Fail those tests, repeat those grades. Period. No more whining about how it “damages a child’s mental health to be publically humiliated by holding them back!”.
BTW-I was in high school when I was 14. If you’re still in middle school at 15, you’re one awfully slow puppy!
Good grief, please tell us you’re not an “A” student!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:15 PMUsing
At first I thought Habu was just lacking in basic manners, but as I have read through his posts, I have realized that it’s probably a stretch for him even to do as well as he is.
He talks about being self-confident rather than arrogant, but he is displaying the typical behavior of a person who has doubts his worth and so has to assert it by giving goofy examples of how big/tough/manly he is, as well as how intelligent he is.
Big he may be; I haven’t seen him. I do, however, have a feeling that the biggest thing on his body is his head, and that the smallest thing is, well, I’ll let you all fill that in…
Tough? Not likely. Genuinely tough guys don’t tell you how tough they are. And they don’t try to say they’re confident when they’re actually filled with a pureness of arrogance rarely seen outside the Democratic Party.
Manly? Hmmm. He’s overcompensating, so probably has tendencies in the other direction that he’s trying to cover.
Intelligent? Possibly, but it has been displayed nowhere in any of his posts. He hasn’t provided a single bit of original thought or analysis so far, and often seems like he has just done a cut-and-paste from somebody else’s editorial.
And, Habu (a “habu” is a kind of viper native to the Ryukyu Island chain, to which Okinawa belongs; but you knew that already, with your divine IQ and all), you may be copying and pasting correct information here, but being correct doesn’t make it okay to be a wiener.
And you, Habu-chan, are a wiener.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:19 PMUsing
Sweet Jesus, someone starve this troll or give this nancy a good kickin’.
By the way, nice tactic pissing off the Emperor. Good luck, asswipe.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:20 PMUsing
Yeah, you may be 315 or 285, but probably not muscle, Habu. You’re probably some Jabba-esque basement dweller allowed out of the cage only to go number 2 and type on the keyboard. You frickin troglodyte.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:24 PMUsing
Oh dear….failed a few classes did you?
June 14th, 2007 at 12:25 PMUsing
>a 15 year old middle schooler
Ah, now things are making more sense, except that I would have guessed 13 years old (which, as has been mentioned, would be a more natural age for a middle school kid).
June 14th, 2007 at 12:25 PMUsing
Hey, at least we now know that Rottie’s World isn’t a banned website on school servers! If they can read it, there’s still some hope for these liberally-mindwashed youth.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:32 PMUsing
>they can be SUCKERED by a 15 year old middle schooler…gulp..hook, line and, sinker
Oh, you’re sooo clever. You had us stumped!
How were you able to conceal your age? How did you make it so that we couldn’t see you? That must be hard to remain invisible over the Internet. I don’t think I could do that.
And, clearly you wrote the stupid things you did just to trick us into thinking that you were an intelligent grownup just pretending to be a juvenile moron!
Wow, guys, we’ve been pwned!!!!!!
June 14th, 2007 at 12:32 PMUsing
By the way, that’s the first time in my life that I have written “pwned,” and I still feel horrible about it. Next thing you know, I’ll be abbreviating everything and I won’t be able to write a single word without adding “LOL” to it.
June 14th, 2007 at 12:35 PMUsing
2ru Fuzzhead. LOL! U hv tken the f8le step LOL! and R on the road to the Drk Side. LOL!!!
Actually we have an antidote for that. Downstairs. First door to the right. Liqueur Cabinet, bottom shelf. Fix you right up.
LOL..
June 14th, 2007 at 12:43 PMOh…sorry…guess I didn’t have enough myself.
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Back on the short bus, Scooter.
BTW, Habu was also one of the nicknames given to the SR-71 by its crews. While I don’t really see a strong resemblance between the two, when you can fly at mach 3 over enemy territory and outrun missiles, you can call your aircraft whatever the fuck you please…
June 14th, 2007 at 12:52 PMUsing
Oh no, the pain! I’m stung to the core. Help, I’m bleeding.
Why don’t you go back and hang on alt.fan.paris-hilton, son? Really, and kindly take some lessons in how to properly insult somebody before you return.
Doesn’t surprise me. What I want to know is if you at least have the common courtesy of seeing to it that they get something out of it too? Do you stick a finger or two up there as well?
Yes, you are.
You could’ve ended the sentence right after “anything” and you would have managed to make a short, accurate and coherent statement, but you just had to go ruin it for yourself, didn’t you?
Oh well, no gold star for you this time either.
You’re 15? Good grief, you really did lose big in the Lottery of Life, didn’t you?
Damn, I almost feel sorry for you now. If I were able to feel sorry for anything or anybody, that is.
Kindly refrain from insulting trolls. It’s a noble profession requiring skill, knowledge and a lot of work.
You’re merely a twit studying to become a moron.
Goodbye now.
June 14th, 2007 at 1:45 PMUsing
I’d like to make a motion that The Management come up with a RIGHT winged Troll Hat for Habu. Maybe make the hats lean one way or the other depending on which side the troll is spewing from.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:00 PMUsing
I’d like to make a motion to simply BAN Habu’s Gobstopper-sucking ass for distracting everyone from my superlative faux news “Paris Hilton files for Z-Visa” post last night. It was farther back in this very same comment thread and failed to elicit even on giggle or snarkish comment.
By the time Habu the Magnanimous pulls the “realistic Yapping Action!” chihuahua-shaped dildo from his rectum long enough to realize he/she/it has been thoroughly-flogged and attempts to slough together a coherent response, we will all, hopefully, have gone on to more worthwhile pursuits. Like picking our noses or scratching our nuts…
June 14th, 2007 at 2:16 PMUsing
Habu was not even amusingly stupid … just stupid.
Fail.
June 14th, 2007 at 2:35 PMUsing
How else is he supposed to get enough friction???
June 14th, 2007 at 3:21 PMUsing
Nope, She ain’t,,you is..
‘..and here you are, looking for sympathy,,no one smart enoungh to match wit’s with.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:39 PMI could understand you, but I don’t like to get that drunk.
‘Make’s me suspect you’re a fema-palace dweller, filling up an otherwise empty friendless life with fantasies/insults.
Poor sucker.
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Azygos @ #31: The Heritage Foundation did a conservative estimate of the cost of amnesty. Discouraging.
June 14th, 2007 at 3:59 PMUsing
Wow–don’t think I fully understood the concept of trolls before (consider me better educated).
June 14th, 2007 at 4:23 PMUsing
Maybe Habu is one of those Middle East trolls. I hear they do this kind of stuff. Would also explain the bad grammar and reference to 15-year-old middle schoolers. Every middle-school kid I am acquainted with knows what a “noob” is. We just enhanced the vocabulary of some wife-beating pedophile-prophet-ass-kissing sand monkey.
May a Jewish woman spit on you, Habu.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:25 PMUsing
… after reading his posts again, E is definitely a S L.
June 14th, 2007 at 4:26 PMUsing
kwongdzu
“Maybe Habu is one of those Middle East trolls.”
Yeah, but he did seem to be passionate about the constitution, unless it was all an act, which it may well have been
June 14th, 2007 at 5:02 PMUsing
Anyone who blathers on endlessly about the Build-a-Bear group is a loon.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:11 PMUsing
Kristopher
Word.
Psychochick
Your understanding of the Dark Side is approaching completion.
Hon, that was obvious from the beginning.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:47 PMUsing
FIAR
might have to agree with you (stranger things have happened)
I don’t know if you ever saw my post about your website: you look just like my husband’s best friend.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:49 PMUsing
I saw everything. BTW, you can bookmark this page. It might help you follow up on where you commented.
June 14th, 2007 at 6:55 PMUsing
Since this thing is about 1000 miles from the original topic, Psychochick, email me. Use the address on my about page. I have to go out for a bit. I’ll reply from a different addy, but I’ll let you know it’s me.
June 14th, 2007 at 7:07 PMUsing
Guido
Thanks
FIAR
June 14th, 2007 at 7:11 PMOh my GOD! I had no idea such a thing existed! Thank you!
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